880e00 No.831562
I had a strange experience when i went to a Christian retreat, we sang together and went to church three times a day. in the middle of it i felt a peacefulness in my chest. When i got home and sinned, the peacefulness turned into a sharp pain and it was gone.
It's really subjective but i know that it's not there anymore, i feel nothing. I know God doesn't leave us. Has anyone experienced this or something similar, feeling God could be proof that God is really there, although i always knew he was real.
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6dbaf5 No.831563
>>831562
Yes anon, your feefees are God. Aquinas had it all wrong.
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5197da No.831565
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>>831563
>>831562
God can indeed use feefees to lure you in in the beginning of the spiritual journey, like treats to make you pray, not sin, etc.
Simply, when you are spiritually mature enough to do it by yourself all of that will be withdrawn and you are to do it out of obedience to God's will and not for a reward or consoling.
This is well discussed in this series about the spiritual stages.
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6dbaf5 No.831566
>>831565
That's a demon not God. God doesn't bait you into his white van with free candy and arbitrarily change the rules.
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5197da No.831567
>>831566
A demon rewarding you for praying…. that's the last thing he'd do, also he has no such power.
Watch the series, its quite good and its by monks who obviously know more about this than you and i.
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1dea7d No.831568
I find it amazing that in this day and age of Technology people have actually convinced themselves that there's Invisible Man in the sky that watches everything you do and hears everything you say it listens to everything you're thinking about. if you do anything wrong he'll send you to a place with fire where people are burning and crying for all of eternity. but he loves you… he loves you and he needs more money. he always needs more money. he's All-Seeing all-knowing but somehow he just can't handle money.
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5cc7c7 No.831571
>>831568
There it is, the old Fedorian hyperbole.
any time someone uses any variation of "muh sky wizard", I know they have nothing of value to say.
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90e6ef No.831577
>>831568
m8 if a religion ask money from you other than donations its probably a cult
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1e0db2 No.831591
I feel discomfort if I don't do my morning routine of prayers, it's normal and nothing grandiose. Though to be among friends and in a community is certainly a gift from God.
No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us (1 John 4:12).
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afa9d9 No.831595
>>831591
>No one has seen God at any time.
Where does one begin to refute this?
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5db478 No.831598
>>831595
>refuting a direct quote from scripture
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d65c47 No.831600
>>831598
A quote from scripture (1 John 4:12) that is either contradicted by other scripture or is evidence against the whole Trinity concept … or a refutation of Jesus entirely?
>No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. (John 1:18; using NIV to clarify the modern vernacular Trinity point)
Is Jesus not God by the Trinity concept? Neither 1 John 4:12 nor John 1:18 specifies "the Father." If Jesus lived and people saw Jesus work, then others have seen God because they have seen Jesus.
Let's ignore the Trinity for a moment since that can be debated as to whether that is truly from scripture in its modern concept.
As for a contradiction to "no one (other than Jesus) has seen God (the Father)" in scripture, see Revelation 4. Even in the Old Testament, God is depicted in (likely) a tangible form (Gen 3:8). Would you suggest that God *could not* have been in a physical form of sorts in Genesis?
Furthermore, if one has seen the works of the wind, has one not seen the wind, too? Many people have seen the works of God, ergo many people have seen God, as well.
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5db478 No.831606
>>831600
I'm not sure which way you're arguing
The verse is correct and so is the doctrine of the trinity. God refers to the Father only in that case. There is no contradiction.
Are you intending to dismiss the verse because it is contradictory in your estimation? That's an arbitrary approach to scripture.
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881089 No.831614
>>831606
I didn't have any intentions (honestly, I saw the first "No one has seen God" from 831591 and some of the points referenced in 831600 immediately came to my head without matching the quote to scripture, which is where 831595 came from), those versus and concepts were bothering me because they were contradicting. So upon further research:
The statement "No one has ever seen God" made in the scriptures is not entirely true by itself (in the English translations; I don't have my interlinear at the moment), but I think the authors knew this (assuming the English is direct and correct). They were certainly correct to a point (in the English translations, possibly completely correct in the originals?), however "No one has ever seen God [in God's entirety] (except for the Son)" may be a more correct statement.
>And [Moses] said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. And [the Lord] said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. (Exodus 33:18-23)
One can see God's works and she can see God in part – both are true and neither fit with 1 Jn 4:12 nor Jn 1:18 directly in the English translations that I see. However, with "… in God's entirety …" added to the statement, it becomes true.
Cheers, friend.
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1e0db2 No.831618
>>831595
You don't. It means what it means.
Stop being autistic.
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5db478 No.831625
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8ba192 No.831643
>>831563
Is Aquinas the only saint that matters to you? Is the Intellect the only element of humanity that God made? No, he made all of you. He communicates through all of you. God is not an egghead. Not necessarily or always at least.
Sts. Teresa and John of the Cross talked about sensations and ecstasy, for example. No different than John Wesley later (although I don't consider him a Protestant per se.. but that's another story).
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8ba192 No.831644
>>831618
It's not autistic. It's not a final statement. That's only in the beginning PROLOGUE of John's Gospel. He goes on to say that if you've seen the Son, you've seen the Father. That's the whole point of the Incarnation - to make God's face known, in a way we can understand it.
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880e00 No.831649
>>831625
This is exactly what i was looking for thank you.
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6db487 No.831654
>>831643
Tell us the story of your Wesley headcanon
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