7583d0 No.830653
> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 KJV
This is a very poor rendering by the KJV.
0. The greek (κακά) or hebrew (ra) don't necessarily translate to "evil", but have broader meanings.
1. The parallelism doesn't even fit, light and dark are polar opposites, but peace and evil are not polar opposites.
2. Theologically it speaks a blasphemy, that God creates evil as such.
3. It forces us to do extra apologetics, giving atheists and non-christians ammunition, for what should be a very unproblematic verse.
While I appreciate KJV for it's beauty, I think it loses some accuracy points. The NKJV reaches a better balance, followed by the ESV second.
What are your thoughts?
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7e95ba No.830655
>>830653
My thoughts are the same. I love the KJV, but it has some stinkers. Calling it flawless is delusional and only for brainlets and cultists.
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afa8a2 No.830663
>>830653
You just don't understand the definition of the English word "evil."
>E'VIL, noun evil is natural or moral. >Natural evil is any thing which produces pain, distress, loss or calamity, or which in any way disturbs the peace, impairs the happiness, or destroys the perfection of natural beings.
>Moral evil is any deviation of a moral agent from the rules of conduct prescribed to him by God, or by legitimate human authority; or it is any violation of the plain principles of justice and rectitude.
>There are also evils called civil, which affect injuriously the peace or prosperity of a city or state; and political evils, which injure a nation, in its public capacity.
>All wickedness, all crimes, all violations of law and right are moral evils. Diseases are natural evils, but they often proceed from moral evils.
Very narrow-minded to object to this translation, of all the things you could have chosen. tl;dr Learn English.
>While I appreciate KJV for it's beauty, I think it loses some accuracy points.
Oh really, where at?
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7583d0 No.830669
>>830663
In english we use the word evil to refer to serial killers, rapists, liars, and so forth, not tornadoes and sharks and inanimate phenomena.
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afa8a2 No.830671
>>830653
And one more thing before I go. If people have redefined the word "hate" to be exclusively morally wrong, should we all retranslate all our Bibles to exclude the word. For instance, the Bible teaches that God hates sin. Should we retranslate the Bible to say something other than hate because "it forces us to do extra apologetics?" since people now believe that all hate is bad? I'll leave you to figure that one out.
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7583d0 No.830681
>>830671
Evil predominately implies moral wickedness, and to a minor extent natural disasters.
Calamity predominately implies natural disasters, natural pains, and to a minor extent moral wickedness. It's just a better word. These are not new words or new meanings.
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f43b0b No.830685
>>830681
I think if this is your worst objection then you're pretty close to accepting it.
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24f7eb No.830704
Why the need to translate the Bible at all? Plebs shouldn't even dare gaze their eyes on holy scripture because their pee brains like the translators of the kjv will twist meaning and propagate it as truth. Do not give that which is holy to the pigs. A good christian listens to his priest and follows him in wht he says. A good scholar learns all the original languages found in the bible and absorbs sacred knowledge that he pours in exegesis.
t. Orthodox.
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4304df No.830707
The KJV is great, your objections aren't inherent to the text, they're because of antiquated definitions. That's the biggest problem with the KJV.
>Top Tier
Authorized Version 1769
New American Standard Bible
English Standard Version
>High Tier
New King James
Christian Standard Bible
New Revised Standard Version
>Mid Tier
1984 New International Version
New American Bible
>Low Tier
2011 New International Version
>Paraphrases for Children Tier
The Message
Good News Bible
Living Bible
>Honorable Mention
Open English Bible
World English Bible
1611 Authorized
>Not even a direct translation tier, do not use alone
Douay-Rheims
>>830704
Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path
Joshua 1:8
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night
Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
>Translators will twist meanings
>Trust your priest implicitly, don't even read the Bible
Double check everything, translations and preachers. Ad fontes.
t. Protestant
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1ffb95 No.830715
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c33c92 No.830726
>>830653
Just so you know the Latin translation also reads: malum. The original Luther Bible went with "Übel" which is cognate with 'evil'. Furthermore Hebrew already has other possible terms for 'calamity' and 'woe'. Evil was the usual way of saying "bad" before 'bad' entered the English vocabulary around the 13th century and appears to have been retained in that sense in literary uses.
I think a more noticeable problem is with the rendering of Greek κακός and πονηρός and their derivatives. In my view it is κακός which should generally imply wickedness and πονηρός "badness". This would give their usage more sense.
In rendering πονηρός for example, it could go: "Thou bad servant!" rather than evil servant in Matt. 18:32.
"if thine eye be bad, thy whole body shall be dark" rather than "if thine eye be evil" in Matt. 6:23.
Regardless one will find that translations have rendered both πονηρός and κακός in an inconsistent and interchangeable manner.
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afac4c No.830770
>>830707
>the problem with KJV is retards keep letting jews change definitions to attack it
>let's use s—ty translations instead
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4304df No.830773
>>830770
>Jews are causing the evolution of the English language
>Using other translations means not using the KJV
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afac4c No.830779
>>830773
>evolution
you mean devolution you jew-loving mong
And there literally no reason ever to use s— like the NASB or NIV
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cd56cd No.830783
>>830779
>s— like the NASB
Why do you feel this way?
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afa8a2 No.830788
>>830783
I dunno, maybe it's one of those jesuit false flag things. This one guy made a flyby to every thread on the board.
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24f7eb No.830838
>>830707
>protestant
See what i mean? Your post is exactly why people have no right to read the Bible and when they do, think they can have the same spiritual insight authority as a scholar who studied all of its ins and outs for several years. Plebs like you hate this fact and want to feel part of the chosen that truly understand. But your kind will never understand, because to you its simply a text which you give an arbitrary meaning to fit your mind's understansing, rather than taking meaning from it in order to open the heart and change your mind, elevating it to deeper understandings of God. You do not mean well and your intentions are human. Hence your crude and vulgar translations over good priests and good bishops
Begone, judaizer.
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fede19 No.830850
>>830838
We do not have the luxury to export our theology to clergy according to the Bible
It is our job to study theology and to seek out pastors who carefully exposit the word as our leaders
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afa8a2 No.830853
>>830838
The only misstep was including some modern translations. You need to calm down, maybe pray on this to find the truth and meditate on the scriptures which say blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy.
>Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. (Revelation 1:3)
>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
>That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
>So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)
>(Matthew 22:29) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
>Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. (John 5:39-40)
>[Acts 17:11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
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24f7eb No.830872
>>830853
Come back when you'll have real authority to quote from scripture. Until then it's your typical arbitrary protestant fashion to selectively choose verses into an argument like its some sort of sport. You people truly are far removed from the kingdom of God, and always will be
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afa8a2 No.830875
>>830872
Don't think by posting random accusations you are doing anyone any favors. I can continue obeying scripture by keeping the word of God, as God instructed all to do. There is no debate on what is right to do here, it is right to hear God's word. Not to turn away from it and live in moral darkness. The idea that people have "no right to read" the Bible is satanic and against Scripture. And I can keep praying for people who will stop regarding those who are lying to them on this subject. Those who lie about themselves, where they really came from and many things to do with the word of God. Thus to protect a multitude of lies over time, the enemies of truth may sometimes teach that men should not read the Bible (as you said, "having no right to read the Bible"). To protect a manmade fable which cannot possibly stand to the truth. Unapologetically, It's just that simple. You are welcome to stay and read to learn more, to find a real church, or else turn back to darkness.
The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
The wicked have waited for me to destroy me: but I will consider thy testimonies.
Hold thou me up, and I shall be safe: and I will have respect unto thy statutes continually.
Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: for their deceit is falsehood.
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24f7eb No.830876
>>830875
>Word of God
>Is written by a multitude of human authors over a span of 1500+ years
>Thinks God is a human with a mind and hands to write
I can accept that each may read if they have in mind to be a good christian, but your method of intepretation is heretical to say the least because you are absolutely clueless of the things you think you understand. Let it be done by scholars whom you are to follow, llest you lose the path to salvation.
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afa8a2 No.830877
>>830876
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
- 2 Peter 1:21
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