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>>830087

>You think that chaplains lie by justifying war to personnel?

>What reason do you have to view chaplains this way, that they'll lie about biblical morality for military interests?

A few things. I will say now that the first problem I have is that I dislike the Military Complex. And while that may be grounds for bias, the dislike comes from rather horrific actions in the World. Saying that this disqualifies my criticism is like saying that dislike towards a torturer is unjust because of "Personal bias" when really, its just that injustice causes righteous anger in a good man.

Moving on to that.

I started off looking at Catholicism as it would be simpler to disprove that Chaplains are doing something that Catholicism would approve of. Its not impossible to prove that the Chaplain's conduct is unfair using those in other denominations(In some it would be far easier actually, depending on their general position on war), but there are some incontestable foundations in Catholicism regarding that. In fact, Just War is reflected on in the Catechism.

>the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;

>all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;

>there must be serious prospects of success;

>the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but its not possible for the U.S. to really get around this, so I think this invalidates helping the U.S. war entirely.

But following that is the Chaplain. What does he have to do with this? Well, if he is a Catholic first and a Military member second, he would denounce the war as unjust. Alas with military employment being on the line if he chooses to do this, he is unable to follow through with his religious duty. So its now its the job of this Priest(A chaplain is officially recognized as a priest for his religion, as far as I can tell) to keep quiet and help any military personnel with religious doubts that they'll be given absolution or that they haven't done anything wrong.

So far this seems wrongful to me.

In fact, now that I'm writing this, it seems to me that the very description of the job is wrong. You can't be loyal to both the military and to God, yet that seems to be required for this task.

>>830088

Ok, I think I get it. You haven't thought these things through before and people have revealed through popular media ideas and facts which you think to be deep and revolutionary.

Maybe it hadn't dawned on you that there are forces at work, interests that would like to see certain results and are willing to propagate narratives that result in counter-productive opinions. For instance, consider the side effects produced by being an NAP-observing ancap/syndicalist libertarian edgelord. This wouldn't theoretically result in less war, it would result in international entities cutting deals with malign foreign powers to create a new order, which have no trouble covering up their crimes with strong propaganda arms, likely the same arms that have influenced your skewed opinions. But hey you know what, if you want to believe that supporting international kabbalah and the jesuit order and believing the silly narratives they keep telling you is somehow "right wing" then be my guest. You can freely vote for the pro-abortion, pro-sodomy NWO candidates in your precinct as a result. And end up with even more conflict and harm (but they won't report on it, so, characteristically, you'll think everything is better, rather than trying to ascertain truth).

Also kind of funny how you'll probably turn on a dime and justify the horrors of the Inquisition next. Yup, it's really not about truth with some people. Not that I even disagree with you in principle about needless wars in the ME, but if you think it's because of the American populace or that it's somehow "the U.S. war" we are witnessing you are very much misled by the same forces I was talking about earlier. Still trapped in 2003, watching south park episodes about war for oil and thinking you're being deep and intellectual.

>You can't be loyal to both the military and to God, yet that seems to be required for this task.

Interesting theory. Do you think someone cannot be loyal to their sovereign, whether that be of a constitutional representative Republic or otherwise? Reminds me again of a certain formerly mendicant order. You know, the ones who make mental reservations?

>>830089

This post, coupled with >>830079 and >>830081 is worrying. Do you have Schizophrenia? Are you a fed? I didn't know I'd be attracting a fed 2 threads in.