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da2ee6  No.829730

Syrian Catholic here. I would like to hear your thought on the pagan elements of Indian Christianity, especially the Christianity in Kerala and TN from where I come from and existed here since the pre-medieval times, maybe even before Europe (if you go by the St. Thomas version of the origin of Christians in Kerala) so it had more time to be influenced by Hinduism.

These pagan elements go beyond just mere mimicking of Hindu customs and practices. It's reflected in the religious beliefs too such as belief in a pantheistic/monistic version of God, viewing the individual saints as sort of 'demi gods' to whom you pray directly, viewing Mother Mary as a feminine counter part to Jesus/God, etc…

There is even local myths and legends that mixes Hindu mythology and legends with local Christian mythology. For eg- Kadamathatu Kattanar is a household name and a very famous folk hero in Kerala who is a Christian priest who trained magic under a tribal priest and performed various magic, fought and defeated many yakshis(A revengeful spirit in Hindu mythology), etc…

Some Christians such as my mother herself believes that what they call 'Hell/Purgatory' is Earth itself(Obviously a version of Hindu reincarnation myth) and most Christians I know accept some form of Omnist belief that 'all gods are one and all religions contain the truth' and stuff.

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da2ee6  No.829731

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7670e1  No.829736

>viewing the individual saints as sort of 'demi gods' to whom you pray directly, viewing Mother Mary as a feminine counter part to Jesus/God

So it’s orthodox Roman Catholicism for the most part

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159618  No.829739

>>829736

I think that what you're describing is bad catechises, it's an unfortunate reality that plagues Catholicism. Folk expressions of Christianity, and Catholicism in particular, exist all throughout the world. The Bishops tend to denounce these practices, but the people do what the people do. I can't imagine that Indian Christianity is much worse than Brazilian Catholicism, if I'm perfectly honest.

Correct your brothers with love and patience, don't despair too much about it. But also try and not presume that you know better than everyone else, remember that all good things are from God.

Peace of Christ be with you, brother.

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a233a2  No.829760

>>829736

Well most Christians from where I live are Roman Catholics, except maybe some churches that follow the Syrian Orthodox Church.

I guess part of a reason for such influence might be because official Roman Catholicism never really came to the place until much later with the arrival of Portuguese(Read about Koonan Kurisha Satyagraham, which is an historical event that split the Syrian Christian community into two, one that wants to be loyal to the Catholics and another that wanted to continue being loyal to the Syriacs).

Another maybe that unlike in other parts of the world, Christians in Kerala/TN likely arrived there as refugees from Islamic conquests(See the story of Thomas of Cana), so there wasn't much proselytization outside of familial unions until much later when the Portuguese arrived and Christians might have developed some sort of looking for their 'saviours'.

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a233a2  No.829761

>>829760

*some sort of liking

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72fbec  No.829762

File: e6d32b3646509f4⋯.jpg (29.36 KB, 600x541, 600:541, a42520a01.jpg)

>>829730

>I would like to hear your thought on the pagan elements of Indian Christianity

I would say in response to this question that Christianity proper has no pagan elements, but plenty of things outside of Christ have them.

>most Christians I know accept some form of Omnist belief that 'all gods are one and all religions contain the truth' and stuff.

Ok the very first thing I would ask is where is their preserved Scripture at. Because if they only have a corrupted or nonexistent word (as I'm sure), then what you are describing is just another form of Manichaeism. A pernicious heresy, in other words.

Manichaeism is a pernicious doctrine, it is no better than any of the other oriental variants, Arianism, &c. Nothing to do with Christianity or Christ in the true sense. and certainly not keeping His Word pure and immutable but rather changing it just like Rome.

That being as it is, the people should get rid of their Manichaeism and seek Christ.

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530afa  No.829767

>>829762

There isn't any preserved scripture persay, the omnist beliefs naturally emerged because of the religious diversity of the region.

Last thing Christians here want is Hindu led death squads or communal civil violence because of religious intolerance(There's already many such examples in North India), except for many recent protestant/evangelical churches, most Christians here hardly care about proselytization. They've adopted a live and let live attitude, 'we'll worship god in how we want to and you can worship god in your own way'. As I already said, a significant part of them believe in a pantheist-monist version of God similar to how many Hindus do.

I guess someone who lived in a place surrounded only by Christians wouldn't understand what it means to live in a plural society. The demographics of my city is around 60% Hindu, 25% Christian and 10% Muslim.

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72fbec  No.829779

>>829767

>Last thing Christians here want is Hindu led death squads or communal civil violence because of religious intolerance

But are we talking about Christians now, or Manichaeans?

>religious intolerance

What exactly do you mean by this? You mean by openly holding forth the gospel as the only means to salvation? Because that's not intolerant. I'm not saying anyone should be forced to believe anything.

>most Christians here hardly care about proselytization.

Are we actually talking about Christians here? It seems like if it has all these pagan elements and no scripture and omnist beliefs that we are talking about something else.

>They've adopted a live and let live attitude

Yes that's the normal attitude. It doesn't mean you can't openly teach the word which is that there is only one way to salvation for those who search for it.

"There is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

>I guess someone who lived in a place surrounded only by Christians wouldn't understand what it means to live in a plural society.

I would say this is somewhat inaccurate on two fronts. Firstly, the ruling class in the West has been "judeo-secular" for several generations now. They are highly intolerant of Christianity and Christ's message. They regularly ridicule this in their media (think western movies, books, news, games, etc.), they spread false versions of what Christianity means and make it seem as historically bad as possible. They blame it for things that Judaic non-Christians actually did, such as running the slave trading ships. They are also the ones who try to tell us what """Western Civilization""" now means, promoting sodomy, abortion and so forth. These teachings comes from the Talmud, but they sometimes call it "humanism" or "human rights."

We have to reach people affected by this judeo-secular world. Not everyone is in the right place with God. I'm not being intolerant but I am trying to show that there is another way which is the right way.

I have a second reason why I believe your guess is somewhat inaccurate. Which is that I happen to know churches that are teaching the truth in India. Therefore it is very much possible to do this completely nonviolently, and God is protecting his ministry.

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31e61e  No.829905

File: 812830daceae055⋯.jpg (40.84 KB, 346x529, 346:529, gregory_nyssea.JPG)

I found this icon and the symbol under the initials reminds me one of Hinduism or another eastern religion. It is depicted with half open eyes over this kind of question mark.

Does someone know what religion am I talking about? Do you think it is more than coincidence? The two symbols are very similar imo

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31e61e  No.829907

File: f0c0c90b556ffb7⋯.jpg (9.52 KB, 216x233, 216:233, buddhas_eyes.jpg)

>>829905

Buddha's eyes

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dcd2d2  No.829929

>>829905

I'm sure that's a greek ligature

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0e1dde  No.830100

That doesn't sound so far fetched than what's going on in Europe, which celebrate birthdays, have christmas trees, wear wedding rings (all of which are pagan elements) and where i'm from (Moldova) there are still many pre-christian pagan elements celebrated under the guise of christian culture (Colinde, Easter Egg painting etc) so i guess there's really no "pure" christianity anywhere in the world i think. Maybe the very first Christians under the Apostles in Palestine were but since they're not around anymore we can never know for sure

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51a8fd  No.834559

File: 396b0a9524d81ab⋯.jpg (62.66 KB, 600x600, 1:1, EXHI7_BWoAkX_9p.jpg)

>Purgatory is, according to the belief of Roman Catholics, a state for expiatory purification through repentance in God's grace

This life is purgatory, though.

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29019a  No.834581

>>830100

Thank you, anon. Most have trouble seeing the log in our own eyes.

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51a8fd  No.834617

File: eb77324a2e076b8⋯.jpg (232.48 KB, 331x450, 331:450, St_Gregory_of_Nyssa.jpg)

>>829905

It's not a symbol, it's the letter 'O' and the letter 'S' together. The ending is ος in 'Ágios and Gregórios.

Though I can't speak if an icon in the internet was made in bad faith or not.

There is a lot of variation in handwriting, nevertheless.

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3a1f5a  No.834865

>>834617

This, except that it is a symbol.

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77c644  No.834868

indians are stinky poo poos in the loo loos you cant be christians only whites can tiggers and kikes and hindu retards like u automatically go to hell as ionly white scan be saved

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29019a  No.834885

>>834868

Not even good bait. But in the off-chance that it actually isn't bait and you're truly this ignorant, the Apostle Thomas himself brought the gospel to Indians in the first century. You go against Christ himself when he said to bring the gospel to all of the world. You suppress the Holy Spirit himself who led Thomas to establish a church in India.

You WILL meet him on judgement day, and WILL have to defend every single stupid thing you say, and WILL face the treatment you wish on everyone else. Everything you have ever relied on or known or use to weasel your way through your pathetic life will not work on this day. And you'll never get another chance once the hammer comes down. Unless you repent.

"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken." - Matthew 12:36

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2e91d2  No.835182

>>834581

I think the problems of many is that they want to be zealous first and live the moral precepts of their religion second. So its very silly when they put on the holier-than-thou attitude. Being a christian is all about meekness and doing good, not mocking the influences that other christians have in their beliefs. The log in their own eyes, as you have said

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a7396e  No.835683

File: b2703edf8fd6396⋯.jpg (75.41 KB, 665x1000, 133:200, The_Human_Icon.jpg)

>>829730

Not sure if OP is still around. I picked up pic related some time ago and have yet to read it. The author is an Indian convert to Orthodoxy. Maybe OP or someone else here might find it of interest.

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2e91d2  No.835700

>>835683

Do you have any pdf link by any chance?

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a7396e  No.835707

>>835700

Sorry I just have the book

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2e91d2  No.835709

>>835707

Scan it for fellow christians to read. Printscreen each page and convert the png to pdf and upload it. Please!

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095b22  No.835721

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