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f76dbf  No.829495

>Doom 2016 was a direct sequel to Doom 64

>Doom guy almost lost his humanity while staying in hell to fight demons

>Demons and Makyrs hate humanity because the Father Aka god in the doom universe abandon them for humanity

>Makyrs aren't angels, they are parasites who fools everyone posing as them since hell made it so.

>Demons and Makyrs are salty with humanity because they kicked their asses in the past, and the Father loves mankind

>it’s why doomguy received the seraphim's blessing and became the Doom Slayer

>People formed a religion over the doom slayer seeing him as a saint or even second coming of christ

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efd216  No.829504

How is this in any way related to /christian/?

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f76dbf  No.829505

>>829504

Doom series surprisingly had a lot of christians overtones.

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b2ff87  No.829514

>>829505

>>829504

I believe in the original comic series he was actually a polish catholic and would say the hail Mary every time he killed a demon. I could be VERY wrong but OP is right, for a video game it seems to have a lot of Christian elements in it, unlike many games nowadays with sexual explicit content.

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bb4a4b  No.829519

File: e11bff93554548d⋯.png (256.1 KB, 459x817, 459:817, possessed.png)

Having played Doom 2016, I wouldn't call it a Christian game. In the early levels, there are unarmed enemies called the "Possessed" which are human Martians possessed by the unnamed demons responsible for that game's events, and you're never offered a means to exorcise the demon or save them (or save anyone or anything else, for that matter) as much as you're expected to shoot at everything until it dies.

I will probably play Doom Eternal regardless, but I'm not expecting it to be any more Christian than any game with a soldier of fortune shooting everyone to death.

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d2e4cf  No.829524

>>829519

>exorcise the demon or save them

Doom external fixed this. People called them morality challenge which suggest possession kills the subject. That’s why are they starting to root.

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b1d752  No.829529

File: 30511febd5d02e6⋯.png (105.03 KB, 275x378, 275:378, 2141251256.PNG)

>>829495

Can't say I'm not a little bit disappointed. Doom eternal could of loosely represented a dramatic action-pack interpretation of Christian apocalypse but this will no longer be the case with "Aka" and "Makyrs" if this leak is true. Maybe the eventual 2036 reboot of doom might fix this or something.

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f76dbf  No.829531

>>829529

Demons pretending to be angels seems to fit biblical Interpretations. Demons are just angels that rebel against god.

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bb4a4b  No.829537

>>829524

That sounds interesting.

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0027da  No.829545

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>>829529

>>829504

>How is this in any way related to /christian/?

Demons call Doom slayer shotgun the Lucifer bane because demons fear him that much.

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316c0f  No.829583

s—posting is a sin

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9d9eea  No.829734

File: c45fa92e36fe79c⋯.png (56.44 KB, 545x336, 545:336, Doom_1_Ep_4.PNG)

>>829504

The last episode for Doom 1 used bible verses for the mission titles.

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362f01  No.829746

File: 176692da2e6bd97⋯.gif (18.63 KB, 389x295, 389:295, cuddly_caco.gif)

>People formed a religion over the doom slayer seeing him as a saint or even second coming of christ

>People forming a false religion over a false God

>Christian

Yeah, nah! By the way, if you are like NuDude and NuDude: Eternally Bad, you are a heretic. I know, the Chruch Fathers and Reformers predicted this. Real Christians play Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 on the PrBoom Engine. Chocolate Doom is acceptable too.

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f76dbf  No.829864

>>829746

>Chocolate Doom is acceptable too.

What’s chocolate doom?

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489d0b  No.829870

>>829864

A source engine that tries to replicate how Doom was on 1994 DOS as closely as possibly while still working on modern machines and without the nonsense and hassles that come with DOSBox.

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7837d0  No.829871

>>829746

So Doom guy could possibly be an antichrist type figure?

Thinking about this a bit, could the actual end-times false prophet be a demon hunter?

>Christ says if Satan casts out Satan then his kingdom cannot stand, but in the end days his kingdom doesn't stand, does it?

>Casting out demons is a sign that accompanies the believer, yet it's not a guarantee of their salvation (Matthew 7:22-23). Also, Judas was given power over demons.

>The dragon gives "his power and great authority" to the beast. His power and great authority is in his kingdom ran by demons.

>Matthew 24:24 says that false Christs/prophets can almost deceive the elect. They're not going to going to deceive the elect by cursing Christ, rather, appearing holy and twisting scripture.

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f76dbf  No.829878

>>829871

Sounds the cancelled megaman reboot trilogy where you have kill megaman in the final game.

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bee6fd  No.829879

>>829746

>Christians play Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 on the PrBoom Engine. Chocolate Doom is acceptable too.

What about the original Quake? It’s about killing a lovecraftian monster posing as a god.

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1a4d9d  No.829904

>>829495

>>829871

It's pretty questionable honestly. In the plot, it's revealed that he got his powers from Seraphim, entities aligned with the Makyrs. So does that make him demonic too?

It seems that they wanted to make angels an enemy, but didn't want to anger their target demographic. So they just labeled them as "Makyrs" to have plausible deniability so that players wouldn't be guilty in killing them. Expect them to do the same thing in the new Diablo game.

I used to fall for that type of marketing gimmick until those creators showed their true colors. I remember that the Wachowskiis marketed Neo from the Matrix as a Christ-like figure only to retcon it and claim that it meant something else entirely different.

IIRC angels do take part in wiping out humanity in Revelations, but it's those who have adopted the Mark of the Beast. They recuse those who have aligned themselves with God.

>>829505

>>829531

>>829529

>>829746

It's not really Christian. Corporate culture wouldn't allow a product like that to be made. You can only trust yourself to make those products.

If you want the Christian position on this, the Book of Jude has an answer to it.

https://biblehub.com/jude/1-9.htm

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bb4a4b  No.829961

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I'm midway through the game and Hell is hardly being harrowed at all. I saw Golgotha mentioned in the lore, and I saw one obvious, unembellished cross, but possessed people are explicitly called cannon fodder in the lore, and there is exactly one demon (a Revenant who retrieves the Super Shotgun) that I expect other players might spare. The main antagonists are idolatrous "Hell Priests" who sacrifice the people of Earth to some holographic demon lady. That's not to say that this makes it a bad game, but I'm pretty sure that Doomguy isn't Jesus under the Praetor Suit.

Here's an example of a missed opportunity: the (holographic) holy king of Exultia tells the player-character that what you're doing is forbidden. If he instead warned that what you're doing is pointless, it could have been a fun reference to Ecclesiastes and King Solomon. He could also have identified the Doomguy as his descendant to enable the Messianic theories in this thread.

>>829904

>It seems that they wanted to make angels an enemy, but didn't want to anger their target demographic. So they just labeled them as "Makyrs" to have plausible deniability so that players wouldn't be guilty in killing them. Expect them to do the same thing in the new Diablo game.

You can shoot the s— out of angels in the Bayonetta games.

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bb4a4b  No.829968

>>829961

Followup to this post: the plot just started to kick in after the Super Gore Nest.

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92f4f5  No.829977

>>829504

As others have said, there's a lot of christianity in doom. Fun series too.

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d5850f  No.830201

File: c70924374b9f84a⋯.jpg (217.38 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, Doom_Eternal_Khan_Maykr.jpg)

>>829495

Are the Makyrs not really angels though? The game describes their realm as 'heavenly'. I think that the the thrust of the game was some kind of edgy humanist "both heaven and hell are the bad guys" type of slant, to the extent that there is any real theme in Doom Eternal that is.

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d5850f  No.830203

>>830201

This is actually a huge point with me. I was going to buy the game until I heard them say you had to fight heaven.

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f76dbf  No.830227

>>830201

>>830203

>Are the Makyrs not really angels though?

No. But they are undead in nature. They are necromancy alien energy vampires. Makyrs realm a simulation of heaven that designed to trap lost souls.

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d5850f  No.830275

>>830227

I haven't played the game myself but I've watched a let's play. It seems from the background dialogue that this is more or less the case. They are aliens who are allied with Satan, who is refereed to as "The Dark Lord" in a passing line of exposition. Hell provides them with souls form them to build their artificial heaven and they provide hell with worlds to conquer.

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9e4558  No.830375

File: 17486998073a586⋯.png (44.45 KB, 349x303, 349:303, cudly_pain_elemental.png)

>>829879

Quake and Quake 3 are acceptable too. So is Wolfenstein 3D, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and that freeware Wolfenstein MP game.

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