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351283 No.828793
What do you guys think of the people who claim to have had visitations and experiences where they saw Jesus, Heaven and Hell? People who have had near-death experiences, sometimes having been clinically declared dead, come back to life and then claimed to have seen Heaven and Hell and Jesus and experienced miracles?
There are many thousands of people who claim to have had experiences like these in the English-speaking world alone. Many tens of thousands in Latin America, Africa and Asia. They can't all be hoaxes.
Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and turned away from sin?
http://www.divinerevelations.info/default.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7FkyF4ux70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA7mtcJ748U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-AKpM49KM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkPEz8T3YkY&list=PLe4QDWwoJR4xNzdGV4yUfhQcrnuhR5-vC
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448293 No.828796
>>828793
While NDE's seem to have some basis in reality(see Dr. Parnia's studies), it's mostly tied to the most basic parts of it(wall of light, watching your body, etc.).
Otherwise, it's highly tied to your preexisting beliefs.
Evangelicals will see it in your typical "accept Me as your Personal Lord and Saviour", Catholics will see St. Peter and the Virgin Mary, Orthodox will see that Heavean had a byzantine makeover, muslims will chill in Jannah, wannabe egotists will get some mission to restore the Church from coruption, spiritual but not religious fags will see some vague "spiritually accomplished humans resting in a sunny meadow" bs.
These dreams mean nothing.
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728478 No.828803
>>828793
>They can't all be hoaxes.
Yes they can
They're not trustworthy stories. It is appointed once for man to die and after that comes judgment.
NDEs and stories of NDEs are good to get people thinking about their mortality, which is a gospel opportunity.
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89f2ca No.828804
>>828793
There's absolutely no reason to accept those stories and countless reasons and examples of why they should be rejected… There's been too many, especially prominent ones, that have turned out to be either people lying for money and fame, or taking advantage of their unfortunate children for money and fame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Came_Back_from_Heaven is a great example. The mother had been trying to warn people for years that the father was exploiting their child, but nobody would listen. (Appropriately the father's last name was Malarkey, which he was full of.) Accepting the testimonies of these people should be highly discouraged if for no other reason than to prevent further abuses.
In addition to that, prophecy has ceased and the canon is closed. The people who claim this kind of stuff usually come from Pentecostal type backgrounds, and I'm sorry, but that alone discredits them. Pentecostal testimonies are documentably not reliable. And you're playing a very dangerous game with people's souls, trying to use "Heaven testimonials" as an evangelism tool. Knock it off, that's not how you do biblical evangelism. That's how you shipwreck people… Their faith will be in the wrong place and, when the storm comes, they'll be smashed against the rocks. Their faith has to be in the scriptures or it won't survive.
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767215 No.828903
I had a visit from an Angel of God. Twice.
No, I'm not going to tell a bunch of pagan and LARP-Christians what I was told, because just from reading this thread, I can tell you won't believe it.
Pearls and pigs as the Lord says.
Have a nice Sunday.
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c42d01 No.828905
They're real, but people underscore the influence demons have also. I met a guy who dreamed of a man in white. Well his mom did. I quoted revelation 1:16-18 to him. He said that was the man she dreamed of. He wasn't lying. Oh yeah, he was Muslim. Had no reason to believe he wasn't.
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bead62 No.828954
>>828905
How did they react to the news? Were they shocked, or…?
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3c346b No.828987
>>828903
>>828903
Taking into account your posture of boasting and superiority to us pigs, then its fair to assume it was a demon larping as angel because we can discern them by their fruits and the fruit of your vision is you being petty and proud, so it wasnt from God. Demons do it often, its quite easy for beings of that intelligence do dupe humans, specially proud humans. It is customary to discern them with the help of a confessor/spiritual director even for those who are spiritually advanced.
Hence why saints even say not to give importance to visions, God will have what He wants from you, vision or no vision.
St.John of the Cross:
"… the devil causes many to believe in vain visions and false prophecies; and strives to make them presume that God and the saints are speaking with them; and they often trust their own fancy. And the devil is also accustomed, in this state, to fill them with presumption and pride, so that they become attracted by vanity and arrogance, and allow themselves to be seen engaging in outward acts which appear holy, such as raptures and other manifestations. Thus they become bold with God, and lose holy fear, which is the key and the custodian of all the
virtues; and in some of these souls so many are the falsehoods and deceits which tend to multiply, and so inveterate do they grow, that it is very doubtful if such souls will return to the pure road of virtue and true spirituality."
"It is always well, then, that the soul should reject these things, and close its eyes to them, whencesoever they come. For, unless it does so, it will prepare the way for those things that come from the devil, and will give him such influence that, not only will his visions come in place of God's, but his visions will begin to increase, and those of God to cease, in such
manner that the devil will have all the power and God will have none. So it has happened to many incautious and ignorant souls, who rely on these things to such an extent that many of them have found it hard to return to God in purity of faith; and many have been unable to return, so securely has the devil rooted himself in them; for which reason it is well to resist and
reject them all. For, by the rejection of evil visions, the errors of the devil are avoided, and by the rejection of good visions no hindrance is offered to faith and the spirit harvests the fruit of them."
"It is clear, then, that these sensual apprehensions and visions cannot be a means to union, since they bear no proportion to God; and this was one of the reasons why Christ desired that the Magdalene and Saint Thomas should not touch Him. And so the devil rejoices greatly when a soul desires to receive revelations, and when he sees it inclined to them, for he has then a great occasion and opportunity to insinuate errors and, in so far as he is able, to derogate from faith; for, as I have said, he renders the soul that desires them very gross, and at times even leads it into many temptations and unseemly ways."
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97f255 No.828999
>>828903
>I had a visit from an Angel of God. Twice.
>
>No, I'm not going to tell a bunch of pagan and LARP-Christians what I was told, because just from reading this thread, I can tell you won't believe it.
So wait, you came here just to brag that an angel visited you and not us? And you won't even tell us what you were told? I guess you must be lying then.
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4be8fd No.829244
>>828903
I understand.. and have had similar experiences. It was over 20 years ago, and I'm just about beat in sharing it with anyone at this point. Even my own family became a thorn in my side because of it. I wish I could say I had some message for others about it, but at this point, I've had so little positive experiences in sharing it that I think now that it was only to help me.
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4be8fd No.829246
>>828999
I'd suggest that you be more wary of the person who wants to tell you everything - or worse, sell you books or a movie about it.
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29fe94 No.829262
>>828954
They are shocked. One refused to continue the conversation and the other said it was Mohamed. But the seed of doubt was planted.
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cb95ea No.829270
I'm not the previous poster but I see very little reason to share my divine revelations with anyone. The information is out there anyway and is Catholic doctrine, just stuff that's barely ever mentioned so no one knows about it. If you're the kind of person who's just going to believe whatever's repeated the most instead of the truth then there's no point in even telling you because you will immediately reject it and get extremely triggered because I indirectly criticized your hive's lack of intelligence. However, important stuff that's bad for evil organizations like jews I will certainly redpill people on to trigger (((them)))
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4be8fd No.829271
Even Mary "kept all of these things" in her heart. It would appear that only her dearest relations knew her true experiences for the longest time (Elizabeth, Joseph). I wish I had learned from her earlier. I would saved myself some trouble. I now realize that unless God specifically gifts us with prophecy or some other message for the public, it's best to keep it to yourself.
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82fffd No.829272
>>829271
Depends. If you know some knowledge that would fulfill the Father's will on earth if more people knew it then spread it.
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4be8fd No.829274
>>829272
I don't know anything like this other than that what the scriptures has told me - and all of us.
In fact, one of the first experiences I had was a voice telling me (persistently) to read the Bible. When it comes to issues we all must know, he's already said it all in the scriptures.
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4be8fd No.829275
>>829274
Let me just add that God saved me at a time when it seems… other more human messages weren't getting through to me fully. This is why I think I experienced the things I did now. Just for God to save me. Nothing to do with a grander mission (I wish!).
I think this happens a lot when the Gospel's path isn't making it through to some. Especially finding this to be the case with the Muslim world.
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0d021e No.829276
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1638c1 No.829277
>>829276
I can't ever friggin get ahold of it because I don't want to use amazon.
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4be8fd No.829281
>>829276
My only issue is it is too specific, as if everyone would see the same thing. It takes a small number of some experiences and then assumes the spiritual purging after death looks the same to everyone. I don't understand why Orthodox don't, for example, also learn from St. Macrina. She presented an analogy of the purging after death that was more in line with Christ' own words than anyone.
To be specific, she said death was akin to a man's house crashing on him (this is similar to Jesus talking about our lives being built on rock or sand). The more attachments and sins one held on to in life, the worse that crash will be. When the Lord comes to dig us out of the rubble, the man with too many attachments will have been stabbed with the fallen construction or bruised by fallen furnishings. Why the man who forsook the world while he was here will have the easiest time transitioning and will smoothly be pulled out of the rubble.
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e0e68e No.829298
>>829246
>I'd suggest that you be more wary of the person who wants to tell you everything
Because in the bible when someone is visited by an angel, they totally keep that message to themselves and let their potential audience know that it's because they're a bunch of evil pig men. That's totally what Jesus had in mind when He was telling his disciples not to cast their pearls before swine; to tell the swine that you have pearls, but you're going to keep them all to yourself.
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4be8fd No.829306
>>829298
I just used Mary as an example of just that. She "kept all things in her heart". It's not like everyone in Nazareth even years later knew of Jesus' origins. Nor did his disciples ever hear of him ("Can anything good come from Nazareth?"). As far as we can tell, she only opened up to few, like Elizabeth. As far as we can tell, it seems only Elizabeth's son John ever appreciated Christ before he revealed himself.
The anon probably could have used nicer language, but considering that this is 8kun, the self-proclaimed "ass end of the internet", you can't blame them.
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e0e68e No.829307
>>829271
>>829306
>I just used Mary as an example of just that. She "kept all things in her heart".
Except if you read the passage, it was the shepherds which received the revelation from angels. Read Luke 2:18:
<And all who heard it wondered at the things which were told them by the shepherds.
The shepherds immediately ran and delivered the message.
>you can't blame them.
They were virtue signalling about being visited by an angel on an anonymous message board. That's worthy of criticism.
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4be8fd No.829309
>>829307
Yes, and even within that, there is a small hint about how little news there would of our Lord's birth. Shepherds weren't exactly the height of society. It would appear it didn't get much traction outside of Bethlehem/southern Judea. If it wasn't for the Gospel writers later compiling and tracking down the events many years later, very few people would have known.
I don't see any virtue signaling from the anon. Just cynicism and maybe preemptively hiding the pain of rejection an ridicule. Could he be nicer? Yes. But I also understand the cynicism too.
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e0f7d6 No.829381
I like the idea that if you go to heaven you become like the Saints and can interact with this world still, potentially becoming someone's imaginary friend or spirit guardian. I like the idea of that being the origin of fictional characters too, like Edward Elric is just some German guy from the industrial revolution who became a Jap's imaginary friend and eventually his manga character. I know it's really autistic but this theory makes me very happy.
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b1e2a5 No.829560
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18c17f No.830572
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