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cfa9ae  No.828733

Does He, why? Why do I have to live alone my whole life, why did He make it a sin?

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e2ef56  No.828734

No, he doesn't make people gay. It's likely due to issues far beyond your control. I know what it's like, kind of. I'm bi myself. The temptation is certainly there, but I don't act on it because of the Bible and the glory of God.

I remember one night I was crying about it, telling God i wanted it taken away and he told me, "I can take it away, but I'll also take away your rewards." He wants to bless us for denying ourselves what the flesh yearns for. Through this, we'll show the glory of God to others, that his name may be glorified. The world tells you you need a partner, but you get to deny it for the exceeding greatness of Jesus Christ. You get to live as few others have to glorify his name and in that, I think he is inviting you into a deeper relationship than others. So cry out to him, tell him what's on your heart and listen for him, he wants to comfort you in this.

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ae29c5  No.828735

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>does He?

No

<Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

<James 1:13

>Why do I have to live alone my whole life

You don't, you can marry a woman

>why did He make it a sin?

It's a sin because it's intrinsically evil, not on an arbitrary whim of God

You might have a mental illness, you might have a condition from personal abuse, you might have conditioned yourself from pornography, or you might have just willed yourself into being a fag like the description of reprobates in Romans 1.

All of these are pitiable, but don't for a minute try to persuade yourself that homosexuality is compatible with the Bible.

Whatever you do, do not interpret your evil desires as a call to ministry. That's a major reason for the Roman Catholic sexual scandals.

Are you born again?

>>828734

>God told me ".."

>he is inviting you into a deeper relationship than others. So cry out to him, tell him what's on your heart and listen for him, he wants to comfort you in this.

Delusional. Terrible advice.

I want you to reread this as if we're talking about pedophilia

Are you a Pentecostal or something?

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f5a516  No.828737

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>>828733

Hi friend, first of all, I'm truly sorry for the grief you are experiencing. I suffer from a terrible sexual disorder (attraction to torture/murder of women), so to some degree I'm able to sympathize. I will do my best to explain this difficult struggle.

"Born gay"

While science has not confirmed "born gay" one way or another, there is a plethora of evidence to show that homosexuality is not something you're born with, but something that is developed by external factors.

The most damning study is a study of identical twins in which one is gay, which show that only 30%- 50% of identical twins of the gay twin are themselves gay. Since identical twins share the exact same genome, it should be 100% if homosexuality was genetic. But because it's not 100%, it appears that it's external factors that influence this.

So don't jump to blame God as it may have been the media, food/water, or other environmental factors that may have caused this.

"I'm gay and can't be gay"

Did you ever think about why other sexual attractions don't have an "identity" to it? E.g. there are no foot fetish parades, no "bestiality rights" movements or "pedophile hate crime laws." If they don't have to wear this public "bestiality identity" or "foot fetishist" identity, why do your thoughts mean you have to identify by them?

Like any of those things, homosexuality is a difference in sexual preference. It doesn't mean it needs to be your whole identity or the root of your identity. Should people with bestiality fetishes marry animals? Should people with pedophilia be allowed to live with an underage lover? Should people who get off on women being stabbed in the navel be allowed to stab women in navel? None of the people who suffer from these conditions declare them as their identity, and if all of them could live by it, our society would be in a lot of trouble.

Bottom line, just because you have gay thoughts, doesn't mean you ARE gay. It's not what defines you my friend. You're a child of God, you're his chosen, and we need you in the Christian community.

"Why did God make it a sin?"

Because it's clearly something that is caused by external factors. And so if it is permissible, it destroys societies. Look at ancient Greece. Look at the decline of our birth rates in America and Europe as gay acceptance went up. Look at the % of mental illnesses developed by the children of gays.

Despite your sexual preference, man was made to be joined with woman. Men who don't do this, and seek that relationship with other men, don't find the complete fulfillment they would find with a woman or, if they are called to it (and not all are), to celibacy and devotion to God.

"I HAVE TO LIVE ALONE"

No! You do not!

For centuries, even millennia, people did not enter into marriages because of physical attraction or because of passionate emotional responses (e.g. "love at first sight). This only started from the 1960's on, and surprise surprise, this definition of love constantly failed and 50% of all our marriages now end in divorce.

Marriage should not be entered in to or driven by lust, sexual attraction, passion or emotionally misguided definition of "love." It should be a partnership, based on teamwork and companionship. Can you build a home together? Can you raise up children together? Can you lean on one another throughout the ages? Your sexual attraction to your spouse will ALWAYS fade at some point, always, so don't be like the 50% of people that marry based on sexual/physical attraction and then quit the marriage when that attraction fades.

OP, you can marry a good Catholic woman and have children with her. Who cares if you're more attracted to men. She'll pray the rosary with you. She'll make the home for you. She'll hold your hand when the communion blessing is said. She'll cook you dinner. She'll wash your clothes. She'll listen when you have these kinds of feelings.

I had some wonderful friends who had a gay parent. They were some of the most beautiful, most incredible people in my life. If their parents had just married same sex, and not married the opposite sex, and conceived, these people would never have been born. They never would have loved me and inspired my life to where it is now. And if they didn't grow up in a home with a mother and father they would have never had such a health life.

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cfa9ae  No.828740

>>828734

Thank you, I've always thought that God is giving me an opportunity for holiness if I can resist but it doesn't feel very comforting, I don't think I want to live alone

>>828735

>terrible advice

Why? It sounds reasonable, maybe God wants me to be specially close to Him because I am a "special case"

>do not interpret your evil desires as a call to ministry

I've considered joining a monastic order, despite my aversion to loneliness (not as a lay member) but not a priest

>>828737

Hi, thank you for your understanding.

I know that most of the time there are a plethora of influences but being born with such a condition is possible I think, second children are always more likely to be so

By "gay" I mean I have the attractions, I just didn't feel like typing "suffering from same sex attractions", gay is shorter simpler, but yes the identity is stupid and a modern invention

>For centuries, even millennia, people did not enter into marriages because of physical attraction or because of passionate emotional responses (e.g. "love at first sight). This only started from the 1960's on, and surprise surprise, this definition of love constantly failed and 50% of all our marriages now end in divorce.

sounds like bs, of course more things were taken into account but marriage was usually based on a common feeling

Saint Jerome told us to love our wives as we love God

>OP, you can marry a good Catholic woman and have children with her. She'll pray the rosary with you. She'll make the home for you. She'll hold your hand when the communion blessing is said. She'll cook you dinner. She'll wash your clothes. She'll listen when you have these kinds of feelings.

Why? So she can be depressed because she has a cold and unloving husband?

I want all of these things except with a man

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6c9533  No.828741

Everyone has a cross to bear. All sex that doesn't lead to reproduction is a mortal sin.

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6c0436  No.828744

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>>828734

That's similar to what He told a saint. The saint (forgot who) prayed to God so that his terrible sexual temptations could vanish and God answered:"If i take those away I'll have to give you something else".

Like disease, persecution, other temptations.

There are no graces without suffering and the more we run from the cross the worse.

>>828733

Because the reward for following His will is huge. Also the bigger the tribulation the higher you are to be in Heaven. So thank Him for that cross, pick it up and follow Him.

St.John Vianney text on suffering is quite good:

http://catholicsaints.info/on-suffering-by-saint-john-mary-vianney/

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6c0436  No.828745

>>828740

Some monastic orders do evangelizing and charity work, you wouldnt have to be a carthusian in enclosure from the world.

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ae29c5  No.828747

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>>828740

>Why? It sounds reasonable, maybe God wants me to be specially close to Him because I am a "special case"

Because he's giving advice from an alleged personal revelation and downplaying the sinfulness of homosexuality

God wants you to be perfect, and he's sent a helper.

A "special case" for the gospel is something like this guy.

If you were to present a special case it would be your testimony of being redeemed from homosexuality, like Paul's conversion.

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2d1de7  No.828748

>>828733

I was straight until an encounter with a demon turned me bi, so no it's probably not the will of God…

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cfa9ae  No.828749

>>828747

>>828747

he's not downplaying the sinfulness of homosexuality

homosexual attractions are not a sin they are involuntary

acting upon these attractions is a sin

by special case I mean normal people dont struggle with these attractions

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cfa9ae  No.828750

>>828741

why does it have to be about sex? i'd happily live without any of it if I could have a partner

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e2ef56  No.828751

>>828747

You are a retard.

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ae29c5  No.828754

>>828749

Homosexual attraction is a symptom of a larger problem. The normal man does not have this temptation, and Romans 1 is pretty clear that you have to be unrestrained by normal moral impulses to even entertain it.

It is not analogous to heterosexual attraction.

Suffering with homosexual tendencies is not a sin itself, and I didn't say it is. I will also say that it isn't always involuntary.

American Christians do not hate sin enough.

>>828751

K

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9ed25b  No.828755

No.

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9ed25b  No.828756

>>828735

>I want you to reread this as if we're talking about pedophilia

What advice would you give to pedophiles?

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6c9533  No.828763

>>828750

Are you trolling so you can fake injury if I answer honestly?

If you were sincere you wouldn't temp yourself by living with your love interest.

Look, I live with a woman that the church says I'm not married to. I'm not even allowed to THINK of her in a sexual way. Not a problem, she doesn't tempt me at all. If it wasn't strictly platonic, I'd have to kick her out.

Same with you.

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ae29c5  No.828765

>>828756

Enter a rehab facility and stay away from the internet and all children

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9ed25b  No.828767

>>828765

Then you are a failure of a Christian

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b9f794  No.828771

I am largely asexual. One day God will bring a woman a long that I feel attraction for and I believe the same for you.

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ae29c5  No.828774

>>828767

Explain

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9ed25b  No.828782

>>828774

The thought of the gospel did not even occur to you. Instead, you adopted a painfully modern view that your fellow man, made in the image of God, is essentially a subhuman beast, fit to be locked in a cage or put down. That you forgot the gospel is understandable if you were thinking only of Christian pedophiles, but then it would be even more egregious, because you would be regarding not only your fellow man but your brothers in Christ this way, joining the world in persecuting them.

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ae29c5  No.828783

>>828782

We're supposing the person is already a pronfessing Christian. That's the situation with OP.

>That you forgot the gospel is understandable if you were thinking only of Christian pedophiles, but then it would be even more egregious, because you would be regarding not only your fellow man but your brothers in Christ this way, joining the world in persecuting them.

<"Pedophiles should seek help"

<"Stop persecuting them!"

What?

Are you just looking to pick fights?

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ae29c5  No.828784

>>828783

Professing*

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9ed25b  No.828785

>>828783

><"Pedophiles should seek help"

That’s not what you said, you said they should “stay away from the internet and all children” as if they are, again, mindless subhuman beasts that will just grab the nearest child and run off or something else absurd like that, a very disrespectful way to treat someone. You also said they should “Enter a rehab facility” aka lock themselves up. My representation of what you said was therefore entirely accurate.

I also don’t see you telling OP to “seek help”, even though homosexuality is far more deviant than pedophilia in the eyes of the bible. Why is that? Because your attitudes are being motivated more by modern sensibilities than scripture

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ae29c5  No.828789

>>828785

Is this a troll?

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9ed25b  No.828791

>>828789

Is this?

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f207eb  No.832736

>>828733

> Does God make people gay?

No, but catholic priests do after they molest little boys

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f1299c  No.832802

>>832736

Probably more common than the faithful Catholics will admit. I have a distant family member who died of AIDS, and was studying to be a priest (his whole side of the family is Catholic. Not mine). Turned out he was abused by a priest as a kid. If someone removed from it still has a personal anecdote on faggot priests, imagine those who are around it all the time. They're just not telling you. Or their gaydar is completely broken. Either/or.

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4648ba  No.832803

>>828733

You don't have to be married to live a fulfilled life. You can dedicate yourself to the church and be unmarried your whole life. Think of all the straight priests who make this conscious decision.

Furthermore God designed marriage and sex in a very specific way. Why can't I just act upon my flesh and just sleep with a bunch of women Im not married to? Because this is not how we are meant to be. Why can't I just swear off women and just beat off? Because that corrupts the nature of how we are supposed to have sexuality

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c9ced7  No.832809

<For everything in the worldthe lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of lifecomes not from the Father but from the world.

<1 John 2:16

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f1299c  No.832810

>>832809

This is very true, but that's the KJV language, where it doesn't just mean sexual lust. That's desire of all kinds. And sex is only one of a million problems the world tries to lure people.

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ae29c5  No.832813

>>832810

And besides that, homosexual lust is unnatural as compared to natural sexual lust (still a temptation)

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4a1a41  No.832821

>>828734

>I'm bi myself. The temptation is certainly there, but I don't act on it because of the Bible and the glory of God.

You're not "bi." You may suffer from same-sex attraction but you do not act on it. You shouldn't label yourself such.

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14d080  No.832994

>Does God make people gay?

No. Homosexuals reproduce via child molestation. It's wicked and is a behavior introduced by Satan.

>Why do I have to live alone my whole life, why did He make it a sin?

Because it's contrary to God's creation. God created male and female. When joined together, they mate and fill the world with their offspring as God intended. Homosexuals cannot mate. They sodomize each other in pursuits of the desire of the flesh.

Everyone has their vice that they struggle to suppress. For some, it's cheating, pornography, or sodomy. For others, it's lying, gambling, or whatever else. Yours is your homosexual tendencies. Resist the temptation of sin to help break Satan's wicked cycle of perversion. The more you resist, the easier it'll be to continue to resist.

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b23d63  No.833008

Some of you people literally have the worst ideas possible and understand nothing of God. We move the Pharisee for being so dumb and rejecting Christ, yet here we have people who Reggie to understand the nature of temptation and the fight for Holiness. I never excused it or downplayed it, yet immediately that was concluded. Some of you need to get to know God better because one can only reveal the love they've received and it's apparent some of you have never experienced any.

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1ee232  No.836742

>>828733

>Does God make people gay?

No. The sperm of a gay man still seeks the egg of a female. The battle is in your mind with the passions.

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12552e  No.836745

>>828785

Everyone with sexual problems should seek help, as anyone with any kind of problem should. We bear each other's crosses.

I disagree with you, I think that the true modern sensibility is believing that treatment would be less miserable if it were not for societal pressure. The heart pressures itself in terrible ways that the world could never compare. The treatment of every sexual deviancy is a lifelong cross, yet one we should carry.

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d429fd  No.836748

>>828741

>All sex that doesn't lead to reproduction is a mortal sin.

Broken concept. All sin is mortal, no matter how "small" it may seem to an individual.

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