9996c8 No.828703
Why don't catholic laypeople share the gospel?
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feeac4 No.828705
South america is mostly catholic so they barely have anyone to share it with.
The prots being a minority obviously can share to non prots all the time.(unfortunately)
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9996c8 No.828706
>>828705
That's just what I happened to have data on but everyone knows that Protestants practice evangelism and Catholics don't as a basic trend
I don't think that functions as an acceptable excuse anyway. Even in heavy majority Protestant places in the US Protestants are still out sharing the gospel
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9996c8 No.828707
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67307b No.828709
Catholic missionaries go out all the time. It's just dangerous and pointless to preach to protestants.
I mean, what's the point?
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6d3ed8 No.828715
>>828703
they do passively, or among their social circle, unless have a vocation to be a missionary.
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5c3eb3 No.828736
Hi OP, a few gut observations can be made here.
First, the study is likely confusing "sharing the Gospel/faith" with "sharing scripture, theology or doctrine."
"Sharing the Gospel" is best done by LOVING others. By living witness to Christ, you shouldn't even need words. People should see the change in you, see the light. Your actions alone should show your humility, your compassion, your detachment from worldliness, your integrity.
A lot of Protestants confusing sharing the Gospel with posting bible verses on social media and telling people not even under the law that they're sinning. But this isn't "living the Gospel" it's not even Evangelizing. It's the stuff that makes people hate Christians and think we're "holier than thou."
Secondly, these countries are all majority Catholic. So most of these Protestants aren't even sharing with non-believers, they're acting like Catholics aren't Christians and are spewing their "oh Catholics aren't Christians because the bible they gave us says X" garbage. They're convinced their renegade sect is the only truth and that they need to force their (often flawed) theological views on others. Catholics don't try to "Evangelize" Protestants, Vatican II teaches they can reach heaven and are more focused on co-operation and euchmenism.
"Evangelicals" are often just sheep sealers. They brag about how many churches they're opening when really they're just dragging in lukewarm Christians from mainline Protestant churches who won't go to church unless there's a rock band and feel good sermons.
Look at the growth of the Catholic church in Africa and China and tell me Catholics aren't sharing the Gospel. They aren't even making conversion their priority, they're just loving and helping others and people and people in turn are being converted by their actions. Evangelization and conversion isn't done by knocking on doors and saying "DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'LL WHEN YOU DIE" it's done by imitating Christ and living your faith in him.
"Show me your faith without works, and I'll show you my faith by my works" - James 2:18
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9d77ad No.828746
>>828736
>By living witness to Christ, you shouldn't even need words
Romans 10:13-17
<13. For, “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14. How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher? 15. And how will they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the Good News of peace, who bring glad tidings of good things!” 16. But they didn’t all listen to the glad news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17. So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
>Telling people they're sinning
>Feel good sermons
Which is it?
You're painting with a pretty broad brush for someone who's trying to argue that the question being asked isn't nuanced enough
>Look at the growth of the Catholic church in Africa and China and tell me Catholics aren't sharing the Gospel
The question was about catholic laypeople
I think you're exemplifying a typical roman catholic attitude toward sharing the gospel, that it's just not urgent compared to the protestant view.
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67307b No.828764
Another mindless Catholic hate thread.
Thanks, protestant bros.
Come back when you are ready to admit your real issues.
Being a Real Catholic is just plain harder than being a protestant. That is why there are always more sinners outside the Ark than there are God's people on the inside.
Have a nice day!
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9d77ad No.828778
>>828764
>Nooo you can't ask questions about my church
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67307b No.828797
>>828778
The thread started with a question, where a false presumption was the premise for the question.
Catholics are required to show the faith and defend it, always. The premise that they don't "share the gospel" is thus false. Catholics advocate the entire teachings of the Lord Christ and the Apostles, not just what's written in the Bible but tradition and reality as well.
Protestants omit reality and all the teachings of the apostles.
So the question makes the assumption that "The Gospels" aren't including in what Catholics profess, and is thus utterly false and just trolling.
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9d77ad No.828801
>>828797
>So the question makes the assumption that "The Gospels" aren't including in what Catholics profess
>The Catholic literally doesn't even know what "sharing the gospel" means
You can't make this up
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67307b No.828807
>>828801
Smug replies to legit answers rephrased as a straw man.
There's not discussion here in good faith. You're going to hate Catholics and the Church of Our Lord for reasons you dare not state.
Have a nice day.
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d85716 No.828817
>>828703
>Why don't catholic laypeople share the gospel?
How could they share something that they don't have themselves?
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0fc6fb No.828822
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b2fd11 No.828926
Why don't Protestants believe in the Apostolic Teachings?
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ab9642 No.828991
>>828926
>Why don't Protestants believe in the Apostolic Teachings?
Why do you believe that accumulated innovations made over the centuries are actually apostolic in origin?
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5c3eb3 No.829022
>>828746
James 2:18
I will show you my faith by my deeds
>Which is it?
They tell non-Christians they're sinning, but their sermons are full of "God loves us" (if non denom) or "we're the only real Christians" (if Baptist)
>You're painting with a pretty broad brush for someone who's trying to argue that the question being asked isn't nuanced enough
I'm not arguing the question is not nuanced. I'm arguing that the poster's understanding of "sharing the Gospel" is sadly mistaken
> I think you're exemplifying a typical roman catholic attitude toward sharing the gospel, that it's just not urgent compared to the protestant view.
- Catholics believe sharing the Gospel is absolutely important. But we don't believe you need to knock on a bunch of doors and get people scared about where they go when they die. Nor do you have to beat them down with scripture, or say "hey my Christian traidition is the only correct one you're X trinitarian denom and that doesn't count"
The Gospel is GOOD NEWS. It's love. It's humility. It's "living the faith" and imitating Christ. Christ didn't knock on doors and tell people that they go to hell if they don't know whether or not they're saved. Yes we share the intracicies of the faith, what we believe, why we do what we do. But that comes first through love, through kindness, charity, compassion, virtue.
Look at Christian conversions throughout history: 90% came to the church because of a friend or family member, not because of some stranger showing up and spewing "you're gonna go to hell if you don't believe what I believe!" God puts plenty of people in our lives who we will inspire to the faith if we ourselves are engaged with the faith and live holy lives.
Finally consider Ephesians 4:11
"And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, SOME as evangelists, SOME as pastors and teachers,"
SOME (not all) as evangelists
SOME
Not everyone is an evangelist. You can share the gospel without evangelizing.
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b2fd11 No.829026
>>828991
>Jesus being born of a virgin
>Eternal life
>God is almighty
>"accumulated innovations made over the centuries"
that's all what the apostles taught, and prots don't believe in it. it's simply because anyone who has delved into it deeper knows that the protestants are actually the ones who innovated.
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9d77ad No.829028
>>829022
Stop attacking the means of sharing and presenting strawmen of Baptists
The question is "do Catholics share the gospel, and if not why?"
Your answer is "no, we tend not to literally share the news because we don't see it as an imperative"
Correct me if this is a misrepresentation.
>Catholics believe sharing the Gospel is absolutely important
Apparently not
>It's "living the faith" and imitating Christ.
So not sharing good news
Faith comes by hearing
>Not everyone is an evangelist.
Yes, sort of. An evangelist is a special role, but the great commission is an instruction from the mouth of Jesus to everyone.
>You can share the gospel without evangelizing.
"You can share the euangelion without euangelionizing"
>>829026
>>Jesus being born of a virgin
>>Eternal life
>>God is almighty
>prots don't believe this
Stop
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201d21 No.829032
>>829022
>Christ didn't knock on doors and tell people that they go to hell if they don't know whether or not they're saved.
You mean warn them. And yes, you're right he didn't. He sent us– that's why he sent the 70 to go into every town.
He also said in the Gospel, "for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."
So obviously they are doing the right thing, and you have been speaking against them meanwhile.
Not everyone who said "Lord, Lord" shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Maybe you should start believing in the one truth today instead of speaking out against it.
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eba5c3 No.829242
>>829032
The "door to door" thing is more modern though. Preaching the Gospel had more communal approaches i.e. preaching to villages, entering synagogues or gentile city squares, or encountering people during travel (when everyone actually walked), etc.. Invading private sleeping spaces isn't exactly a great option.
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9d77ad No.829249
>>829242
Knocking on a door with the literal most important news of all history is not an invasion and there is no biblical reason to not do it
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eba5c3 No.829273
>>829249
If it's so beautiful (and it is), make a better effort at presenting it with as few barriers as possible. All you're doing is giving people an occasion to sin, and then smugly patting yourself on the back when they weren't receptive. As if it's all their fault - when it's also your fault for making it uncomfortable in the first place.
If your task was to cater/cook for a great occasion, you'd want to put your effort into how the dish was presented to. Instead setting it on paper plates and lawn chairs and next to a dog turd.
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9d77ad No.829278
>>829273
>make a better effort at presenting it with as few barriers as possible.
>All you're doing is giving people an occasion to sin
>smugly patting yourself on the back when they weren't receptive.
False assumptions
>If your task…dog turd
Poor and childish analogy
You are a condescending person if you didn't know
Luke 14:23
And the master said to the slave, 'Go out into the highways and along the hedges, and compel them to come in, so that my house may be filled.
Do you have an argument against knocking on doors as a means of sharing the gospel besides assuming the worst of the missionary? A reason you can make from the Bible?
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eba5c3 No.829279
>>829278
>You are a condescending person if you didn't know
Only to you. I'm concerned about everyone else.
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eba5c3 No.829280
For some reason, I clicked "Post" too quickly. I wanted to add this:
>>829278
>And the master said to the slave, 'Go out into the highways and along the hedges, and compel them to come in, so that my house may be filled.
Hedges were for gardens/farming areas. Part of a wide, outdoor space with multiple people (like highways, as the passage mentioned as well). I don't know what your real point is, but it seems you're using it a bit anachronistically, as if "hedges" means some hedge in front of a suburban house.
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eba5c3 No.829283
Oh, as for other scripture that supports my view, it's when Christ said don't move "from house to house" (Luke 10:7). Which is what this approach does.
It's something that was borrowed more from American sales tactics. It's no less annoying than the guy trying to sell a vacuum cleaner. Complete with cheapening the Gospel into having a "sale's pitch" and bullet points and "brochures". The Gospel deserves more - and the so called "salesman" should be no salesman at all. But someone seeking true engagement and love.
It doesn't surprise me that JW's and Mormons love this approach so much. They're ghouls who love NO ONE. But Christians could do better.
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9d77ad No.829293
>>829280
>it seems you're using it a bit anachronistically, as if "hedges" means some hedge in front of a suburban house
Are you kidding? You're unfamiliar with this passage, so you assume I'm applying an impossible reading?
The point of the passage is to go everywhere they are and compel men to "come in". The hedges in particular is associated with the lower classes of the NT era, vagrants.
>>829283
>scripture that supports my view, it's when Christ said don't move "from house to house" (Luke 10:7). Which is what this approach does.
Bad proof texting
"Go not from house to house" is an instruction on where to stay when Jesus sent them out as penniless missionaries, not a forbidding of going to someone's house with the good news.
>JW's and Mormons
Guilt by association. Not an argument.
>cheapening the Gospel into having a "sale's pitch" and bullet points and "brochures
Are you implying that having a gospel presentation at all necessarily cheapens it, or are you still just assuming the worst so you can argue against a strawman?
If you don't want to knock on doors, I'm not here to persuade you. You're the one trying to tell me that it's wrong to do so, and I'm happy to entertain any arguments made from the Bible. Even worse, you're being openly spiteful to me because I don't agree with your view.
I have a guess that you're not sharing the gospel in a different way, you're just not sharing it at all.
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67307b No.829294
>>828703
Oh, I see the error here. You're citing a bunch of catholic countries where most everyone is catholic, and comparing that to the small number of protestants who are trying to convert those Catholics.
Then using that for your "hate Catholics" thread.
Well played! I didn't see it until this morning that's what you're doing.
This is so much fun.
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9d77ad No.829295
>>829294
Here's some numbers from a Catholic source in a majority Protestant country that confirms the same trend
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7a8cf5 No.829299
Catholics don't generally believe it's anything incredible. They generally believe they have to repeat sayings to be forgiven and they concentrate on the work that must be done to save themselves, even if they believe they have eternal salvation, so they can sin to their heart's content and don't ask for more so they don't see more. That's most of them. So why evangelize?
It is by grace we have been saved through faith, it's a free gift, so why wouldn't I tell others?
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9d77ad No.829300
>>829299
That is a stereotype of like a Hollywood Irish Catholic who does bad things then just goes to confession without meaning it, but I wouldn't presume it's normative.
I think the biggest reason is just that Catholics think that's a job for professional clergy, not themselves.
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eba5c3 No.829301
>>829293
>Are you kidding? You're unfamiliar with this passage, so you assume I'm applying an impossible reading?
>The point of the passage is to go everywhere they are and compel men to "come in". The hedges in particular is associated with the lower classes of the NT era, vagrants.
We see the passage the same way then. I'm not familiar with it. It's obvious it's got a class-focused bent to it. Why you also see it as an excuse to be an smarmy salesman, I don't know.
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eba5c3 No.829302
>>829301
Err…well, that's funny. I meant "unfamiliar".
I think it's great that you want to preach the gospel. By all means, please keep doing so. I'm just encouraging good methods. This isn't one of them. And if you are going to go house to house, you'd be better off just leaving a flyer for your church on the doorknobs. Then pray that some may be interested - then speak to people there.
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9d77ad No.829303
>>829302
I have personally seen people come to Christ because I knocked on their door and told them the gospel.
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eba5c3 No.829304
>>829303
Well, now you're assuming that faith alone is equivalent to coming to Christ. That's more to do with the stance of your denomination, and nothing to do with any particular missionary methods. I can see how you trivialize the whole matter though, if you think that all it takes is to get someone to "sign on the dotted line" just for a brief instant.
It's times like this that I realize just how Gnostic most Protestants are. You think following Christ is just a matter of "special knowledge"/gnosis. And nothing to do with more tangible sacrifices in life.
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9d77ad No.829308
>>829304
There you go making assumptions again
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eba5c3 No.829311
>>829308
Assuming "faith alone" isn't much of a stretch. You said a person just came to Christ through a house visitation. Only a particular stream of Christian thought would ever be so confident as to say this.
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