/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>828327

If you go Novus Ordo I'm sure you'll be well accepted.

Assuming he truly is a FORMER freemason, then yes, of course. I'm sure people would be interested in the stories he would have to tell about that part of his past.

>>828341

What about mean parishoners? Catholics, especially American ones can and often are very judgemental, mean and short sighted. Not as bad as the protestants and evangelicals but still, it's part of American culture.

Personally, I would advise such a person to get saved instead of following a bunch of popish false religion

>>828342

What's mean about being bitter about the Freemasons infiltrating the church and causing the Great Apostasy?

Yes, you can be forgiven for leading souls to Hell, but why do you get all bitter about the penance? Aren't you sincere?

>>828508

It's what Christ wanted us to believe. No, the Lord did not say "you're saved and free to sin"? Nope! "Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more."

>>828511

Amen my friend, certainly no man is free to sin, and no man ever outlives his need for Christ. And praise God that He says “Neither will I condemn thee”, because he who believes shall never again fall under His wrath and condemnation, but shall always stand justified in His sight, in an indestructible state of grace, praise the Lord.

>>828512

I have the sad feeling you feel that you just justified sinning to yourself.

Christ told us how to be forgiven for sins, you must confess to an apostle who has the power to forgive sins in the name of the Lord. You can't say "well, God forgives me!" and think it's over.

This power is given only to the Apostles, not just everyone.

>>828515

>I have the sad feeling you feel that you just justified sinning to yourself.

Why?

>Christ told us how to be forgiven for sins

That is true, He said “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.“

>This power is given only to the Apostles, not just everyone.

Actually, this power belongs to no one but God. If you go to a man seeking from him forgiveness for violating the law of God, expect to receive none.

>>828519

The idea that we “need to do penance” is in fact a damnable heresy that will bar all who subscribe to it from God’s mercy, “for all who rely on works of the law are under a curse”

>>828511

Because, people are really mean to each other nowadays and use any excuse to screw someone, be it employment or personal matters. Religion is a personal favorite among many hence why now many places have to up security. The church is perfect, the people are not and due to the poor choices many make we all have to suffer. Considering the digital lynchings and the societal damage many are causing nowadays it's quite naive to think otherwise.

>>828519

This is actually a big reason why I'm a fan of Catholicism, it's one of the few Christian institutions left stateside that has any kind of accountability among their parishoners. Also, you're not quite right, protestants did have a repentance of sorts. It was quid pro quo at one time. Idea was Jesus sinned so every time you sin you put Jesus up back on the cross. Sure, his gift was free but still every time you mess up it's like he has to do it all over again so knock it off. Keep in mind that's an old concept that went out I think in the 70s, 80s? It was common among high church Protestants such as Lutherans, Anglicans etc. What i'd pick on is the ignorance many protestants have. Unlike the Catholic church who's been among the best keeper of records next to say the Chinese, protestants in the USA have this habit of remaking themselves and just lying about their dogma. That's not protestantism, that's good old fashioned American hypocracy.

Just my opinion.

>>828542

Can you chill out with the ironic boomer twitter memes

>>828542

If anything, he probably just has a problem with the idea of temporal "punishment." I could see why someone might think it renders Christ's death ineffective.

>>828550

That would partly explain the seemingly absurd claim that repenting of your sins is heresy, I guess. I still find it hard to believe they consider confession and penance to be heresy.

At this point, I don't even want to deal with these protestants. While Catholics believe in sharing the burden of the cross in sorrow for our sins, our Protestant brothers seem to want to jump up and down on the cross as Jesus carries it to his crucifixion.

>>828552

>the seemingly absurd claim that repenting of your sins is heresy

Of course that claim was never made, and what you are doing right now is called a strawman. What is, however, unacceptable heresy, is the idea that the state of grace can be lost and then recovered and repaired by confession to a priest and acts of penance. This is reliance on the works of the law, which cannot co-exist with reliance on Christ, and as such is a path to damnation. Indeed, the very concept of ‘mortal sin’ is fundamentally incompatible with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

>>828553

Then what is the alternative?

<He who endures to the end shall be saved (Mat 24:13)

<Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. (1 Cor 9:24-27)

<Work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Phil 2:12)

When we sin we break our communion with God, and we must ask forgiveness from our Lord.

>>828561

I am so glad you asked. To stand in God’s presence demands perfect righteousness, and this is the standard by which all people are judged and which all must satisfy. Now, all men have already failed this test. We were all doomed, but God sent His Son into the world, who was born and lived without sin, and upon the cross took on the sins of His people, and gave to them His righteousness. Therefore, for all who believe, there will be no more judgement for any sin, because they are already accounted as dead and punished in the ledger of the law, crucified on the cross.

Romans 7:1-6

<Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Galatians 3:24-27

<So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Hebrews 10:1-4, 11-14

<For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

<And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

>>828327

Literal satanic priests have converted, some even beatified. so every prodigal son can return.

Who cares about treatment by others. One only needs God's forgiveness.

>>828327

Like anyone else, I would imagine you'd be accepted. I mean, unless you intentionally go around just randomly telling people you were freemason rather than leaving it in the past, then i guess you'd probably weird some people out.

>>828565

>There will be no more judgement for any sin

Yes, assuming we confess our sins to Christ and repent of them. Paul is talking about forgiveness of original sin and how Christ is now our high priest who, through his sacrifice, can make us righteous in the eyes of the Father if we repent. And while we are sanctified by belief in Christ, we can, through our own free will, choose to lose that grace via unrepented sin.

<They [The Jews] were broken off because of unbelief, but you are there because of faith. So do not become haughty, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches perhaps he will not spare you either. See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity towards those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off (Rom 11:20-22)

<If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgement (Heb 19:26-27)

>>828595

>Paul is talking about forgiveness of original sin

No, that interpretation is not valid, Hebrews is explicitly about all sins, past, present, and future (and the other two passages are talking about the fact believers are free from the law, meaning Christians can not fall into condemnation again so as to require re-justification). The sacrifice of Christ is in vain and not unlike the sacrifices of the old law if it fails to take away future sins. If the sacrifice failed to cover over even future offenses, then further sacrifice would be required upon the occurrence of those sins just as under the old law. Rome is not ignorant of this. It is why they hold that each mass is the repetition of Christ’s sacrifice. But if it is in this way that men are reconciled to God and saved, then we are still in our sins, because “otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins?”

>>828601

If all our future sins are forgiven then what need do we have of confessing our sins to God as John says?

>>828602

We are expected to repent

>>828602

Because it's right

You're supposing that the only purpose of confession is the status of your own justification