6a829a No.827387[Last 50 Posts]
Read the whole sermon here: http://olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml
How did the vision at Fatima put it? Something like Souls falling into hell like Snowflakes?
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c1a7af No.827391
>>827387
>Souls falling into hell like Snowflakes?
Ah, but what kind of snowflakes?
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62b1f8 No.827438
>>827387
This s— is terrifying and is why no one takes Christianity seriously nowadays
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87b093 No.827460
>>827387
I remember when I first was exposed to this I fell into a deep despair, but realized that aslong as I confess my sins and repent and follow the commandments and precepts of the church we can atleast have a reasonable hope.
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cef8c2 No.827491
Well, I am sure that I'm not in the top 0.01% of good people. So, I guess I get hell.
Still, God created me, and God can do with my soul as he wants. God is just. I will still support his church. I'm just sorry that the Lord must find me so offensive.
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cef8c2 No.827518
The Church was confined mostly to Europe in 1100 AD. That means 4/5ths of the world was pagan.
And even in Europe, there were a lot of pagans.
Considering, that puts the salvation of Christians on the order of 1 salvation per 1000 supposed Christians. Still dismal…
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b24dad No.827765
>>827518
The quote is from a sermon given in the 1700s.
The gist of it seems to be that those who are condemned are only condemned because in their heart of hearts they want to be condemned. God does a lot to get people to turn back to the right path, even though that path is impossible to take without stumbling & falling (hence the mercy of Jesus.) But we cant help that some souls just won’t change.
St Leonard says to pray “Lord I want to be saved.” And pray it often. The rules are no different; turn from sin, follow the commandments, strive to walk with Christ, and you will have a share in eternal life!
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b24dad No.827766
>>827491
God wants you. Don’t give up. Adjusting for population, the number of saved is much likelier 20. You can be one of those 20 that make it in your hour of death. Keep saying YES to Christ.
It’s a choice, not a chance. But it’s a choice you have to make every day.
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a35fac No.827769
>>827387
>>827438
>>827460
>>827491
>>827766
Reminder that Jesus said
<Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.
Matthew 11:28-30
Reminder that Jesus later said
<The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.
and a several verses later
<But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Matthew 23:2-4,13
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b5c5d3 No.827773
>>827387
>33k deaths per hour in the early 12th century
Unrealistic. Currently it's 6k deaths per hour worldwide.
>Only 2 out of 33k saved, both Catholics.
Wew, better pay up those indulgences!
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aa2977 No.827778
>>827773
>Wew, better pay up those indulgences!
Holla holla, get dat dolla!
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b90f17 No.827794
>>827387
Can make a guy wonder "why bother then" upon hearing something like that. But if it's God's will, then it shall be done.
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9822f1 No.827806
>>827387
Even if there was not much to the OP itself I do want to thank you for linking the sermon. Still gives a lot to think about even if I imagine many of us have hopefully heard the message before.
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13517a No.827854
>>827806
Is this how catholic sermons usually go? It's not expository at all.
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08ef87 No.827863
It does not seem to me that this should cause a great deal of despair outside of taking the consequences of the very concerning statistical hard figures within this warning, and it is a warning, wrong. It is in keeping with the laws of Christianity, as far as I can tell, and not unfeasible to me, surely the worst among you. Instead of despair, let us see what we can take away. Here's my notes:
Notes by Saint Leonard: which we may seek not to fail to repent when you are of sound mind to do so; do not procrastinate such a matter, for it is truly sinful. Seek to fulfill the whole lengths of your repentance while you are in good health and not before death, when you are wise of it and not muddied, and seek now, truly. There are last minute miracles and deathbed conversions and many such things, thanks be to God… but in general, becaude our lives last our whole lives, the path to repentance lasts one whole life.
I.Do good in your vocation and life, not to extort, usure, hold angry or begrudgingly, to be a fair and equitable salesman, disinterested and sincere, not unjust or domineering. To recognize this and the application of it in one's life is a skill we must surely all develop and execute; this is on top of, beside, and also, to not being vain, impure, licentious, everything. Do strive to be virtuous, for this also falls among the means of repentance. Not gluttonous, not luxurious, not in comfort or tranquillity; but virtue as a foremost concern.
II.Do not command others or seek to be in rule of them; for if you sin within this, and cause error among the lives of others, your sin shall surely be multiplied, with all that means for you. Even if one is called to it, it is better not to risk such a thing.
III.Do not fall to despondency, for it is of evil for sinners to be tranquillized; live with the knowledge that every action henceforth must be done to repent; not to fail to in the wake of sin. This is also what it means to have once hope in God, but also not to dishonour that penance by which we must turn back again and those actions, not to fail to make our confessions true in every sense; again meaning we will do all we can, and not be tranquil while on earth.
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08ef87 No.827864
IV.Do not fail in renouncing the world, for you mustn't be one to ceade ground to threats, hostility, or chastisement. This is in accordance with the teachings and lives of the saints; do not love the world or it's things, for surely that will harm you in this manner and more.
V.Do not fail in renouncing the world even at it's best and highest, where you have the option to turn back to your free will, one you must forsake, for you are also of it. (The world) Whereby perhaps in heresy or prelest or any thing, one places his own will before that of justice itself, either in such things or outright sin. Not your own persuasion, not your own ideology; even if it seems to be such a good thing relative to the terms of this world, we must forsake all such things for that which is of the Lord, not the world. Do not even gain rise to wisdom as you earnestly recognize it, for if it is not deemed right, it must be vain knowledge, and of great danger to all. So renounce the world and all things in it - even up to the point of wisdom which is of it, and of seeming concern to you personally. To renounce the world up to this point is to renounce it up until very high, whereafter only that which is of God's remaining in it may just remain. For ambition is also a passion to be tamed; and may lead to many sins.
VI.When you confess and repent; you must do so with all your strength, for it said to be possible to abuse graces and aids to the point of damnation. In the wake of this sentence, 1.Fully disclose your sins; do not conceal them out of shame, fully admit and fully face them when the time is right, do not go without humility and sorrow. 2.Do not seek to confess to calm your remorse, but truly to do so before God, truly for His forgiveness. 3.Do not confess merely your instance of sin; but also, and moreover, your whole state in sin, all of the sin, the fact you are, still, such a sinner. 4.Do not make your confession idle; write down and honestly intellectually explore how you might repent of your crimes, meaning how you may go back and pay appropriately and more. Make reperations, go back and pay. And do not make excuses, do not seek to outwit; accept what it means to repent, not with false promises, but again, earnest exploration of repentance, appropriately. And, 5.Do not confess for anything other than the true end of the sacrament; thereforeit is important to know truly the true end of the sacrament;
VII.Do not seek to be even almost known for any such a matter; carry out the opposite; let your reputation be ruined if need be, whereby you will either be unknown to all your people or you will be unliked because of this.
VIII.Do not tolerate heresy for a moment; do not befriend in the ecumenical sense, do not cease to rebuke them, when it is right for you to.
IX.In your days, be afraid, blame only yourself for sin, if need be failing to recognize what wrongs have been done to you, but certainly, in the wake of all of them, blaming only yourself after forgiveness of others, and turning only inward for said blame. Blame yourself, for you must know, blame rests with you, for of course, "Thy damnation lies with thee." Yes, be so afraid, not to love yourself so as to believe you could ever have done enough, for I know you haven't, and you're not half as contrite as you should be even in your humblest moment, you are not. So do not love yourself, and do not assume yourself to be among the elect so, but be afraid, instead of reassured when you are to yourself.
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08ef87 No.827865
Here is a passage proposed by Saint Leonard: >How steep, narrow, thorny, horrible to behold the path is - with traces of blood and things that recall sad memories everywhere we look, those who weaken at the very sight of it, those who retreat at the very start, the many who fall from weariness in the middle, and even the many who give up wretchedly at the end, and also how few persevere until death! But to be saved for all eternity, to be damned for all eternity, and to not make your every effort to avoid the one and affirm the other, is inconcievable. So to those who are marching closer to hell every day, stop, and turn around; It is Jesus who calls to you, and with His wounds and eloquent voices cries, you know hoe many have died and been damned before your very eyes, this was a warning for thee, warning which was refused many others, and what do you with it? If you would find yourself fallen once more after your baptism, having unrepented and turned from your Lord, and having failed to fulfill to your utmost strengths repentance, you would be better not to ever have been baptized at all; for your punishment in hell would be so much lesser. But it mustn't be so: Repent, cry out and repent; for only the penitent man will pass, and you have guaranteed success, if you do what you must. Here is the prayer proposed by Saint Leonard, to memorize: "Lord, I confess that up till now I have not lived as a Christian. I am not worthy to be numbered among Your elect. I recognize that I deserve to be damned; but Your mercy is great and, full of confidence in Your grace, I say to You that I want to save my soul, even if I have to sacrifice my fortune, my honor, my very life, as long as I am saved. If I have been unfaithful up to now, I repent, I deplore, I detest my infidelity, I ask You humbly to forgive me for it. Forgive me, good Jesus, and strengthen me also, that I may be saved. I ask You not for wealth, honor or prosperity; I ask you for one thing only, to save my soul."
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93f73e No.827879
>>827864
>Do not confess for anything other than the true end of the sacrament; thereforeit is important to know truly the true end of the sacrament;
This is the hardest part :(
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08ef87 No.827893
>>827879
My friend, I am sorry, this was the part i left unfinished, i remembered.
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9822f1 No.827902
>>827854
I dont really know what you mean by that. It said he was preaching on the street because there were way too many people so I would not exactly classify this as normal and there is also the fact that its only talking about the speech itself. Not anything that may have occurred before or after. Whoever posted the article talks about the speech's context if thats what you want though.
Although if I understand what you are asking then I dont think it would be too different than what you are used to in the sense that there is a bible passage first then the priest talks about it and gives stories or examples to get the lesson across. Not sure if Pastor Anderson really represents pastors in this regard but my friends when talking about their church experience say similar things so I assume its a universal christian format.
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7bba73 No.827937
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>827854
>Is this how catholic sermons usually go? It's not expository at all.
Why would it be when scripture is, in practice, mostly a secondary authority for them at best? Catholics don't really do the whole scripture thing. About half my church's congregation are former Catholics and that seems to be the general consensus. The bible would sit on their shelf at home and the family would rarely if ever use it, and apparently that's normal. About the only scripture they would get is the one verse the priest would read each week at mass.
>>827902
>Not sure if Pastor Anderson really represents pastors in this regard
Expository preaching exists on a spectrum… From verse-by-verse, "this is what chapter 2 says", to "Here's the theological application of this text." Anderson seems to do more "topical preaching" from what I've seen. See video for an example of what expository preaching can sound like.
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08ef87 No.829494
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cef8c2 No.829497
I would like to be saved. I'd like for my wife to be saved too, but I'm pretty sure that's not on her bucket list.
Will I be saved? I don't see how.
But even the Damned owe adoration and love to our Lord.
So, what difference does it make? If the Lord wants to Burn you, then that is right and just and you should suffer hell Gladly.
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48ce72 No.829501
>>827769
Thank you, anon. It's important to remember that Jesus paid it all. OP's heart is probably in the right place, but like the man he's quoting, he's very wrong.
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cef8c2 No.829570
>>829501
Jesus died to show his love for us and will be our judge at the end of time.
He will forgive your sins if you truly repent, but you have to ask.
Sometimes, when I read the Examination of Conscience, I feel "God's forgiveness may be possible!" Then I read St. Thomas Aquinas - nope! Even sex with your wife is a sin if you enjoy it.
Pretty sure we're all damned if we're halfway normal.
I'm just going to give up and sit in the back pew. Everything is a sin.
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cef8c2 No.829574
i was reading in Northwest Catholic that the Pope is inventing new sins that the Bishops are lying about and saying are really old sins - but these are sins against the environment i.e. the pagan goddess Gaia.
Nope. Exhaling CO2 is not a mortal sin. Keeping my house warm is not a mortal sin. Driving to church and work is not a mortal sin. My gasoline lawnmower is not a mortal sin
Sorry. I'll just be sitting here in the back pew waiting to die and go to hell. Only true saints go to heaven.
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469d70 No.829578
>>829574
>i was reading in Northwest Catholic that the Pope is inventing new sins that the Bishops are lying about and saying are really old sins - but these are sins against the environment i.e. the pagan goddess Gaia.
The Pope didn't "invent new sins". He cares for certain political causes and the Holy Father believes that we should be good stewards of creation, so he presents the idea of ecocide as a sin and a breach of the commandment to love your neighbour. Even if his affiliation to certain NGOs and other groups is a bit dubious, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this teaching, even if you might consider it a bit overzealous. It is not "Gaia worship".
>Nope. Exhaling CO2 is not a mortal sin. Keeping my house warm is not a mortal sin. Driving to church and work is not a mortal sin. My gasoline lawnmower is not a mortal sin
Literally no one said that.
>Sorry. I'll just be sitting here in the back pew waiting to die and go to hell. Only true saints go to heaven.
Aye, only Saints go straight to Heaven, brother. And we all should strive for sainthood. Instead of rebelling against the Pope for whatever polemical reason, just hear what the Holy Father has to say and try to be mindful of energy consumption, it's arguably good for the environment and inarguably good for the wallet.
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cef8c2 No.829590
>>829578
>he presents the idea of ecocide as a sin and a breach of the commandment to love your neighbour.
The Pope says God should have made 11 commandments.
How many of the 7.5 billion people on earth have to disappear to "love our neighbors"? The Georgia Guidestones and the book "Ecoscience" say 7 billion of them.
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cef8c2 No.829592
Now, the Pope declares capitalism - the idea that you have a right to own the means of the production of goods, is a sin.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pope-francis-church-might-fight-capitalism-by-adding-sin-against-ecology
< Francis said, comparing capitalism to "organized crime" committing "ecocide." The pope told the group he was talking to that the crimes committed by corporations should be punished.
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469d70 No.829593
>>829590
>The Pope says God should have made 11 commandments.
The Pope is free to teach with whatever kind of hyperbole he deems acceptable. There was a Saint who boldly preached that Our Lord was a foolish God, that His love for us was so great that it made Him foolish.
>How many of the 7.5 billion people on earth have to disappear to "love our neighbors"? The Georgia Guidestones and the book "Ecoscience" say 7 billion of them.
The Holy Father never advocated for such a thing, brother.
>>829592
>Now, the Pope declares capitalism - the idea that you have a right to own the means of the production of goods, is a sin.
The Church always had a tenuous relationship with capitalism. She never condemned it like She did communism, but has always proposed third positionist alternatives like distributionism (also mockingly called "Catholic socialism" by some). But politics are for the most part not Church teaching and the Holy Father can espouse less than ideal politics, this doesn't make him a heretic. So if he cares about the environment and he understand that the biggest perpetrators of ecocide to be corporations, he can certainly air his opinions and condemn certain practices. Again, there is nothing wrong with that, and you're free to politely disagree with the Holy Father on this since it is not Church teaching.
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df3888 No.829610
>>829593
>She never condemned it like She did communism, but has always proposed third positionist alternatives like distributionism
This.
One of the old encyclicals(can't remember which, but i know it was old, and made by a really trad pope) supports unions, and decries how the greed of abusive richfags is what is driving people towards supporting stuff like communism.
Also, screwing up the environment is a sin anyway.
Even an old romanian hermit said owning a factory, and not doing stuff like putting filters on it makes you responsible for the sick people that are afflicted from it, and you will be held accountable on Judgement Day for it.
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11c0cc No.829637
>>829578
Shut up shill. God said we could do whatever tf we want with animals and the nature of the world. You are literally worshipping ancient pagan woodland Gods you worthless shill.
>The Holy Father just thought-
No kys fag. And I mean that you most likely are homosexual
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469d70 No.829639
>>829637
Are you okay there, brother?
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11c0cc No.829643
>>829639
I have extreme anger for your Pope, so no I'm obviously not ok. He will rot in hell.
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11c0cc No.829644
>>829639
Die shill of the devil. You are fine with the Popes blasphemy may your Pope be hung for all to see as well as yourself, amen!
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469d70 No.829647
>>829643
It was a rhetorical question. You're clearly unwell.
Refrain from making vain proclamations about who is going to hell and who is not, brother.
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11c0cc No.829648
>>829647
>just rhetorical
Oh? Just like how your Pope demonically saying there should be 11 commandments was just a "hyperbole"?? You're very sneaky and insincere just like him. Continue acting like this this and you will both burn just as history has gone.
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469d70 No.829649
>>829648
I'm not insincere, I'm merely not entirely devoid of charity, brother. I fail to even understand what scandalises you so about what the Holy Father said, but I understand you're way too emotional to carry a good faith conversation about it. My suggestion is that you stop taking things literally that were obviously not meant to be taken literally.
Peace of Christ be with you, brother.
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cef8c2 No.829651
>>829593
>The Pope is free to teach with whatever kind of hyperbole he deems acceptable.
Not as Pope, he isn't.
When he starts talking about Climate Change from the point of view that it's man made, he's now going against 2000 years of Church teaching and dictating a particular hypothesis as church dogma. Sadly, the hypothesis isn't even a scientific one and there's an existing Theory that better describes climate change. Jorge may as well agree with his Islamic friends that it is a sin to say the earth isn't flat.
>The Holy Father never advocated for such a thing, brother.
And yet we see this coming from the Vatican: http://www.casinapioiv.va/content/dam/accademia/pdf/statement_climate_change_common_good%20(final).pdf
which calls for support of the Sustainable Development Goals of 2015, which includes efforts to limit population growth (Goal 3)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Goals
>The Church always had a tenuous relationship with capitalism.
I don't see that in the catechisms from before 1962. They condemn communism and support the private ownership of the means of production. So, I don't see what you say is true.
>>829610
>Also, screwing up the environment is a sin anyway
Where does it say that this is a sin?
>>829637
Harsh! While Francis does seem to support socialism and their back door "watermelon" efforts (Green on the outside, red on the inside) to install a socialist tyranny, and he does like his pagan idols, I don't think it was the intent of the Lord that we be destructive of the earth just for the hell of it.
>>829647
True, Jorge may repent of his heresies and his leading souls to hell.
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df3888 No.829677
>>829651
>he's now going against 2000 years of Church teaching and dictating a particular hypothesis as church dogma.
What the actual…
Since when is the existence of greenhouse gases a subject of Patristics or Canon Law?
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469d70 No.829685
>>829651
>When he starts talking about Climate Change from the point of view that it's man made, he's now going against 2000 years of Church teaching and dictating a particular hypothesis as church dogma.
He didn't made it Church dogma. It was about environmental awareness, he was making a point.
>Jorge may as well agree with his Islamic friends that it is a sin to say the earth isn't flat.
Unless you're walking around the Vatican carrying a silver hammer, his name is still Francis.
>And yet we see this coming from the Vatican: http://www.casinapioiv.va/content/dam/accademia/pdf/statement_climate_change_common_good%20(final).pdf>
>which calls for support of the Sustainable Development Goals of 2015, which includes efforts to limit population growth (Goal 3)
Goal 3 is called "Good Health and Well-being" and aims to fight diseases like malaria and prevent infant mortality. There is nothing uncatholic about it. I see on indication of "limit population growth" as you are saying. And surely you understand that the Church does not endorse contraception nor termination of pregnancy, whatever sustainability goals do indeed exist must meet a Catholic standard of acceptableness like family planing.
>I don't see that in the catechisms from before 1962.
Why would a catechism teach secular politics?
>hey condemn communism and support the private ownership of the means of production.
Private property is not a concept exclusive to capitalism. And I very much doubt it's the epitome of secular politics you're insinuating it is. Catholicism thrived under feudalism (private property was still a thing but hey), so I fail to see how capitalism was in anyway a core teaching of the Church.
>Where does it say that this is a sin?
This is all exceedingly basic, brother, and if you are unable to come to terms with this understanding through a Christian lens, then maybe secular capitalist/libertarian politics will help. If your economic activity is impeding on the well-being of others through pollution, then you are liable in a court of law. Likewise, if God has called you to be a steward of creation, it is not licit for you to trample over the well-being of your brothers. Love thy neighbour. Don't litter and mind your energy consumption, that is all. And if you are a factory owner, observe all regulations put in place to mitigate environmental impact, if regulations suffice. There is nothing even remotely controversial about any of this.
>True, Jorge may repent of his heresies and his leading souls to hell.
Pope Francis was willed by God. Even if he is indeed a bad Pope, which I see absolutely no indications of it other than some troubling ambiguities and an express rejection for Papal supremacy, him being a bad Pope would be God's judgment on the faithful.
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cef8c2 No.829697
>>829685
>Pope Francis was willed by God. Even if he is indeed a bad Pope, which I see absolutely no indications of it other than some troubling ambiguities and an express rejection for Papal supremacy, him being a bad Pope would be God's judgment on the faithful.
None are so blind who choose not to see.
I shall pray for your soul.
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469d70 No.829699
>>829697
I think you're wrong and you're being very superficial on your takes on Pope Francis and I can't imagine you're entirely oblivious to this fact. But I welcome your prayers and kindly thank you for them, brother.
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162bd7 No.829702
Well if we go with the Medieval belief the inferior irrational peoples have animal souls that brings it down to 10% who can go to heaven or maybe even 5% because not even all whites are rational.
And then if we eliminate all non-Christians from that, that brings it down to maybe 3% perhaps even 1% if we eliminate all non-Catholics.
And then if God judges by works that takes it down to 0.5% maximum.
So it seems obvious to me very few people are going to heaven.
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cef8c2 No.829708
>>829699
Borgoglio has taken a pagan idol into the Vatican. He's had a pagan circus. He's denied the Crucifix because he'd rather offend Our Lord's and his Great Sacrifice than his Jewish masters. He's claimed that Jesus was just a man while on Earth.
And you damn me for noticing he's a heretic. A heretic cannot be Pope. Sorry, that's cannon law and even Francis cannot change that.
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cef8c2 No.829709
>>829702
Sad but probably true.
There have been Marian apparitions saying that in these times, very few of us will go to heaven and there will be a great apostasy at the very top of the Church on down.
We were told there would be a Great Chastisement. And here we are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marian_apparitions
And no one wants to speak of the apostasy.
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469d70 No.829712
>>829708
>Borgoglio has taken a pagan idol into the Vatican.
It was not a pagan idol. The Pope did not cease being a Christian.
>He's had a pagan circus.
It was a circus. And to my mind it was distasteful enough that it doesn't need to be confusingly qualified as "pagan". Qualifying it as such only pushes me to defend an event that I wasn't particularly enamoured with.
>He's denied the Crucifix because he'd rather offend Our Lord's and his Great Sacrifice than his Jewish masters. He's claimed that Jesus was just a man while on Earth.
He never "denied the crucifix". And he never claimed Jesus "was just a man", that was the confused retelling of an unreliable, terminally geriatric atheist rag journalist. There was even official clarification on this.
>And you damn me for noticing he's a heretic.
I'm not damning you for anything, brother, I promise you I have no interest in those sorts of things. In fact, I'm quite happy to tell you that I respect your vigilance, a much needed virtue during these times. But you are wrong about Pope Francis and not only are you being uncharitable, your contentions against the Bishop of Rome are all very superficial. I only urge you to practice charity and stop being so impressionable.
>A heretic cannot be Pope. Sorry, that's cannon law and even Francis cannot change that.
Honorius I was a heretic, or at least posthumously condemned as one. He didn't break succession nor did he compromised the teachings. So a heretic can very much be Pope. Please stop presuming you're holier than the Holy Father, brother. God willed his papacy for whatever reason, and it may very well be the case that you are right and he is a bad Pope, but even if that is the case then accept God's judgement with piety. There is no need for you to be presumptuous, especially when your contentions with this papacy are all so very shallow. All this talk about Francis is just noise, just be a Catholic without the slander and the pettiness, there is absolutely no need for any of that. Even supposed warnings like that of La Salette can be uncharitably misinterpreted, and your misinterpretation conflicts with Fátima where Catholics are expressly guaranteed that "the dogmas of the Catholic faith will never fail Portugal" (id est, all faithful Catholics). Again, your misguided crusade against the current Pontiff is silly and it's just noise, being a faithful Catholic is not contingent on presumptuousness and impiety.
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cef8c2 No.829722
>>829712
>There was even official clarification on this.
This is typical of your excuses.
He didn't deny he said Jesus was just a man while on earth, he only said you shouldn't believe the person who heard him say it.
>Honorius I was a heretic
Heretics are excommunicated as soon as they commit the heresy.
A heretic can come back to the church, but once a heretic, they can never be Pope.
>It was a circus
A pagan circus with an apparent act of cunnilingus; I hope it was just simulated.
>It was not a pagan idol.
It is a pagan idol.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/not-even-pope-francis-can-deny-the-pachamama-is-a-pagan-idol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachamama
Pachamama is not Christian and regarded as a fertility goddess among the pagan Incan religion. They sacrifice guinea pigs and llamas to it to this day and they once sacrificed children to this idol and you say that's not a pagan idol. Chutzpah! This pagan idol is just another form of Moloch.
I mean, what in your mind would someone have to do to commit heresy?
And the Pope did not admonish the heretic priests who called Pachamama the Blessed Virgin. That's a sin of omission.
>He never "denied the crucifix".
He clearly did! He hid the Crucifix to avoid offending the Christ killers. This is an abominable act!
>God willed his papacy for whatever reason,
God allowed our choice of sin. That doesn't make sin right; sin is still an offense before God. And you forget that we were told of the Great Apostasy that will begin in the Vatican.
Have a nice day.
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469d70 No.829725
>>829722
>This is typical of your excuses.
As opposed to you practising unlicensed psychoanalysis and ignoring official clarifications from the people who know better?
>He didn't deny he said Jesus was just a man while on earth, he only said you shouldn't believe the person who heard him say it.
You're very close to having an epiphany there, brother.
>Heretics are excommunicated as soon as they commit the heresy.
>A heretic can come back to the church, but once a heretic, they can never be Pope.
Honorius wasn't. And your "official procedure" is all but the postulations of certain Catholics, you're just assuming that certain proposals and theories are law.
>A pagan circus with an apparent act of cunnilingus; I hope it was just simulated.
It wasn't cunnilingus. It wasn't a simulation. It was a circus performance. It was in poor taste. It does not necessitate to be qualified as "pagan" or "sex simulation". Please stop.
>It is a pagan idol.
It was not. As a Catholic, you are not supposed to be superstitious. Our protestant brothers have that covered for you.
>Pachamama is not Christian and regarded as a fertility goddess among the pagan Incan religion. They sacrifice guinea pigs and llamas to it to this day and they once sacrificed children to this idol and you say that's not a pagan idol. Chutzpah! This pagan idol is just another form of Moloch.
It's not a pagan idol even if the original iconography was meant as such. When presented in the Vatican, it was not meant as an idol nor was it in any way adored as an idol would, no sacrifices were made, there were no signs of adoration to that piece of wood. It was just a hippy Amazonia stuff and it was all dressing to the revolutionary agenda of the German Bishops, which our Holy Father was able by the Grace of God to identify and to reject. Why are you ignoring this fact and focusing on wood?
>I mean, what in your mind would someone have to do to commit heresy?
Transgressions against the deposit of Faith. This is all exceedingly clear, brother.
>And the Pope did not admonish the heretic priests who called Pachamama the Blessed Virgin. That's a sin of omission.
The Holy Father resisted the lily white liberal agenda of the German Bishops, which was the entire point of the synod, not this "Peemommy" schizoposting. He expressly rejected the revolution they were trying to introduce with a full stop. And he used the opportunity to advocate for the environmental causes that the Holy Father holds dear. So there is no sin of omission here, he did exactly what is was supposed to do even if the Holy Father's idea of justice differs from your own.
>He clearly did! He hid the Crucifix to avoid offending the Christ killers. This is an abominable act!
Your assuming his intentions. Before you said "denied the crucifix" but at least now you're using less slanderous language. If it was charitably meant as an act of respect, what exactly is so damnable about that? Surely it is not something that I want to see out of any Pontiff, but you're presuming ill-intent when it is easier to assume that it was meant as a misguided act of respect. And that is assuming that he "hid the crucifix" in the first place. There have been way more embarrassing things in the past.
>God allowed our choice of sin. That doesn't make sin right; sin is still an offense before God.
Amen, brother. And there is not a single Pontiff that is immune to correction, and Pope Francis is not an exception. But practice charity instead of revelling in sensational and shallow scandal.
>And you forget that we were told of the Great Apostasy that will begin in the Vatican.
No, we weren't. You are misinterpreting La Salette and you know it.
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cef8c2 No.829726
>>829725
Congrats. You fooled yourself.
Hell is hot. Have a nice day because there may not be many more.
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469d70 No.829728
>>829726
You shouldn't damn anyone to hell when you lack the authority to do so, brother. And all just for petty Vatican gossip.
May the Good Lord bless you on your spiritual journey.
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cef8c2 No.829737
>>829728
I didn't damn you to hell. I said Hell is hot. Father reminds us of that often.
And we all need to be ready for it.
A sin, According to Saint Aquinas, is a crime against reason.
Consider that when you dismiss heresy as "Vatican gossip"
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469d70 No.829738
>>829737
Your reminders are sonorous insinuations, brother. I'm sure you understand this. I will return to you the words of Our Lord in Matthew 7:
>Judge not, that you may not be judged, For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Where you see "heresy", I see only the pettiest of gossip. And I hope you open your eyes to the Pride that moves you. The deposit of Faith remains the same, bad Popes of the past have not compromised the teachings, and "Jorge", as you impiously call our Holy Father, has also failed to corrupt the teachings. So I'm not sure what exactly is your problem. Wood and circus? I mean, sure, I wish the Vatican was more boring, this kinds of aesthetics offends my sensibilities because I think that beauty is fundamental in evangelising. But heresy? Where? Because the only heresy I'm seeing is our rejection of the Roman Catholic ecclesiology. Your contentions, I assure you, are all very protestant and they do not possess much substantiality. Practice charity instead of assuming the worst in people, least of all an institution that Our Lord has promised that would stand unfailing against the Gates of Hell. You do not possess the authority to charge the Holy Father, brother, especially not when your charges are nonsensical and superficial as they are. Do forgive me the rashness, brother, as I am not entirely without sympathy for the discomfort you feel, but may the Lord open your eyes.
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6aae97 No.829766
I'm confused, did Jesus die for my sins or not?
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3681b5 No.830547
>>829766
It’s not a License To Sin. Your repentance must still be sincere, and the whole point of the sermon is this is harder than a lot of people realize.
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ccde0c No.830570
>>827773
indulgences have no effect on saving your soul. They cut purgatory time. If you get to purgatory its a matter of time getting to heaven.
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