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>>827282

The anti-sex stances you're describing are holdouts from stoic philosophy on the Roman Catholic tradition, not biblical christian teachings. Read song of Solomon. Sex is designed for pleasure and not procreation alone. There's nothing wrong with non-abortive contraception.

Besides that, you're a pitiful whoremonger anime poster in your 30s. Fornication is wrong because it's a sin before God, and you know it. Stop being a degenerate.

>>827282

Your problem is that all you see is this world. It's not unique, and humanity as a whole suffers from this problem. It leads us down the path of just focusing on what we can get out of this world - all of our risk/reward seemingly revolves around this plane. But it's a false reality.

If I told you that I caught a glimpse of Heaven and Hell, would it help you? Doubtful, since I can count on one hand the people who somewhat believe me. Even my own family thinks I'm crazy.

Needless to say though: I've heard heavenly voices chant with such beauty that I can barely care about what passes as beauty on earth any longer. And I've heard a woman screaming at the top of her lungs and the most ungodly vomiting of a man suffering in Hell. I wasn't allowed to experience place too closely - but that little glimpse of a "daily life" (if you will) just on the outskirts of Heaven and Hell was enough to make one forever reevaluate life here on earth. Hell especially was something I begged God to stop showing me immediately. Once you even know it's real, you already know that you've had enough.

This was over 20 years ago, and I'm still frustrated that I can't really get through to anyone. I barely even mention it now, because it just leads to smug dismissal - and even hospitalization from my family, when I was young. I wish I could just grab people and show them how real it all is, but it doesn't work that way. It seems that my lot here on earth is to play the Fool For God.

And sex and marriage is supposed to be more than your own pleasure btw. Nor does God frown upon it, if done as intended. It was intended as a gift, for man and woman to unite. It's not sex that is bad. It's taking it lightly that is bad.

>Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh." - 1 Cor 6:16

>>827282

>Why is it wrong to have sex before marriage?

Let me count the ways:

Marriage is supposed to be an image of Jesus and the church.

You're stealing that experience from your proper partner.

The risk of accidentally impregnating someone and all that entails.

It is degrading to your masculinity and to the partner's femininity.

You can never forget the experience, even when you're older.

It creates a behavioral meme and social norm that propagates itself on to the next generations.

That's someone's daughter you're degrading.

That's just off the top of my head. All the potential diseases are simply God's way of disincentivising the behavior. Yet some people are too addicted to the easy dopamine to realize that God is telling them in no uncertain terms to quit while they're ahead.

Have you ever wondered where roast beef flaps comes from? It's scar tissue. Vaginas are meant for sex and babies, right? Even child birth doesn't create roast beef, so it's clearly not from the size of their partners… So what could be scarring the labias of these regular fornicators? Simple. Lack of natural lubrication. You can apply all the artificial lubricant you want, but if the woman doesn't really love you, she isn't going to get wet enough to properly have sex. Maybe she might be able to get away with it a few times when sex is still relatively new to her, but once she's addicted? Like any drug, it takes more of it over time to get the same hit.

You are contributing to the roast beef epidemic, physically degrading the bodies of your own people's women for empty pleasure and enabling them to do so instead of being a man and guiding them. This isn't a victimless crime. Everyone involved is hurting themselves.

Imagine if it was your daughter… Would you want some uncommitted hedonist pumping and dumping your daughter? Or would you be going for your shotgun to make sure she was treated with respect and dignity?

One of the hardest things I've ever had to witness was a man or a woman breaking down because they found out that the person they love didn't stay faithful to them before marrying them. You can rationalize it now and say, "oh, that's just how it is these days. It's normal to have sex before marriage", but that doesn't lessen the hit for women or for men.

Part of the Christian worldview is the realization that, for most people, God has someone that He intends for you to marry. That's how we get more people. So when you give away your love, your lust, to someone who isn't even yours… You're both stealing from whoever they're supposed to belong to as well as whoever it is that God intends for you. It is an inherently destructive behavior.

Can you think through what it does to a marriage, to trust, to have one or both partners worrying about how they stack up against their spouse's previous partners? About whether or not they're replaceable, because the person they love has loved others before in an uncommitted way? In fact, let me be crass to make a point: imagine you have a wife and she's performing fellatio on you. Your mind begins to wander and the thought enters into your head… How many other men has she done this to? Who taught her how to do this? Is that the type of society you want? Is that what you want to do to your fellow countrymen? To your own future children? To set this kind of a norm, so that they no longer have hope of finding a wife or a husband who aren't whores?

>I beat porn addiction, but it feels impossible to not fap.

Better to fap than to fornicate, but in a nutshell so that I don't have to do two posts:

Masturbation screws up your dopamine receptors and can cause erectile dysfunction and lethargy if done too much. You're human, but keep it to a minimum for the sake of your health.

>If I were able to get the sex I needed, I'd be much better off I'm sure.

That's a statistical fact. A good marriage extends your lifespan.

>>827284

This.

The other Christanons here gave great responses. Besides what they have written, I'll try to add my own opinions, which aren't worth much.

>I feel like God's very much real after having some experience after my first Communion, but my struggle is with fornication

My friend, even demons believe in God and shudder; but to those who have been given much, much is required. Take this knowledge of God's existence and fear Him. Fear Him and turn from your sins, which are numerous besides and including fornication.

>My godfather tells me we all have to go through some struggle that it's also supposed to make us better persons

This is a half-truth. Struggle in and of itself is an evil and won't produce any good in and of itself. ("Harshness to the body does nothing to the indulgences of the flesh." Col 2:23; "For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure…" 1 Pet. 2:20) The only way to be truly sanctified is by the healing Words of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:11). Only then, when you struggle as a righteous man, will struggle do any good for you (1 Peter 2:19).

>Why is it wrong to have sex before marriage?

Besides what the other brothers have said, marriage and sex are meant to reflect the ad intra relationships in the Trinity ("Let us make man in our image…male and female he created them…") (…and I was daily his delight, rejoicing [the Hebrew can also mean "playing"] before him always…Prov. 8:30) The Lord binds things together by the power of His Word, including male and female in marriage, and as such, we too must bind ourselves via a word, or a covenant. Like what this page says in ''Tonikaku Cawaii", your covenant is the way both God and you extend your oneness with your waifu to, hopefully, all eternity, promising to prove your love daily regardless of circumstances. Sex is supposed to the be the high point of our telling our spouse "I love you and always will", the ultimacy of you two becoming "one flesh" in every way. To have sex before the marriage covenant is reflecting a God who cares not for his words or his covenants to the other two Persons of the Trinity or to His people. To speak lies about God is sin. Ergo, sex before marriage is sin.

>I can't even be bothered to go talk to a priest.

Don't go to a priest. Go instead, first, to God's Holy Word, then to a faithful minister who respects the authority, integrity, and sufficiency of Scripture and talk to him about your struggles and problems.

>>827285

>This was over 20 years ago, and I'm still frustrated that I can't really get through to anyone.

Sorry to hear about that. Is there a way you want us to pray for you and your family?

>I wish I could just grab people and show them how real it all is, but it doesn't work that way.

If only it was that easy… These people don't understand that there's a world more solid than this supposedly solid material world(thank your C.S. Lewis, bless you!). Praise God for showing you a taste of Heaven, His Home, and the other place you never have to go because of what Christ has done for you!

>>827305

>Insight to the roast beef problem

Wow! Thanks for sharing that information. I've always wondered if God created marks for such sins. Do you have the source for your info, brother? I want to read up on this myself.

>>827340

>What's that supposed to mean?

Paul was addressing the church at Corinth, which was full of people much like yourself, who thought sex was just a normal appetite. But it is far from that.

I'll lay off from getting more into the wider context that he goes into in that passage, since he addressed this specifically to Christians. You said you weren't one at all. Getting more into this would be a little premature on my part.

>Wow! Thanks for sharing that information. I've always wondered if God created marks for such sins. Do you have the source for your info, brother? I want to read up on this myself.

My sources are:

The opinion of healthy females who do not possess meat flaps, including my wife.

Studying the matter myself. Here's a medical journal entry about labiaplasty. There are a few images and they're quite nausea inducing, so I don't think it should tempt anyone to sin unless they're already severely messed up in the head. https://academic.oup.com/asj/article/36/1/71/2613971

If your conscience allows it, can you honestly look at these abominations and not realize that what you're seeing is a mass of scar tissue? Traction that should not be occurring has clearly caused these labia minora to be pulled in an unnatural way that has caused permanent stretching and additional growth. The clitoris is nowhere to be found on any of these women because the minora tissue is too extruded.

I can't swallow the argument that these features are somehow genetic for one very simple reason. Nearly every man alive finds such developments revolting, save for a few freaks. Even other women find it disgusting. Why would that be, unless there were something unnatural and disordered about it? It can't be natural. And if anyone in the medical field dared to publish something admitting that publicly, what would happen to them?

>>827340

>Sounds like pretty words that don't work in the real world, but k.

I'm telling you the biblical teaching. Ephesians 5. Whether you believe it or not is a separate issue.

>What partner? My right hand?

I take it you'd rather stay single?

>There's always risk to everything, but with condoms is next to zero.

With that attitude, you're eventually going to end up paying child support to a woman you don't love. There are a lot of predatory women out there who love entrapping financially stable, middle-aged men into child support payments.

>But I feel more manly after doing it.

One day it will leave you feeling empty, I promise. It always does.

>I forgot about many hookers, from back when I was younger

When you get older, the memories have a way of suddenly coming back to you. Flooding into your mind when you aren't expecting it. Especially when you've got nothing else to think about.

>But this is the society I was born in, I can't help it.

Au contraire, helping it is exactly what you should do. Your society, that is. Real men lead, and to lead you need to do so by example.

>but now there's nowhere in the West that could ever take place.

Not in a big city, no. You need to go to a more rural setting. Cities have been havens of filth since pre-history.

>I can't wait who knows how many years for marriage like a monk holding gallons of semen in my balls.

Then jerk it, man. It's better than the alternative. I've got a high sex drive too, I know how it is.

>But if I had a gf, I don't feel like I would degrade her because I would care for her and cherish her like she was the best woman in the world.

Well go find one and test her to make sure she isn't an undercover thot before you slap a ring on her.

>I'm pretty sure that's a urban myth.

See what I said to the other guy. In addition to that, I've had a porn addition too. I'm not holier than thou, I have temptations just like anybody else.

So real talk: forget about pro porn… Consider for a moment amateur porn. Some dude banging his girlfriend or something. The normal stuff. Tell me, do you see meat flaps on any of these younger women? I didn't on almost any. Yet if you go to http://www.labialibrary.org.au/ or places like that, all you'll see is a bunch of roast beef and STDs. News flash… That crap ain't normal! It's a bunch of feminists who are already self-conscious about their body because they know something is wrong with their body.

>I don't think so.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>827345

was also a reply to >>827325

>>827325

Thanks brother!

>including my wife.

Nice! Here's to me receiving my own Christian waifu soon.

>I don't think it should tempt anyone to sin unless they're already severely messed up in the head.

Reading through this article, these make me sad more than anything. Not only have many of these women presumably have done damage to what Songs calls their "garden" , they have to unnaturally tend to it, like if a bulldozer was sent through Middleton Plantation or Royal Botanical Gardens to fix a topological fault caused by incessant uprooting and planting over and over by fifty different botanists.

> It can't be natural. And if anyone in the medical field dared to publish something admitting that publicly, what would happen to them?

Funny you mention this on this day. I remember reading an article in either the National Review, when there were still decent, non-neocon authors, or The American Spectator where a lead scientist studying with his research group the effects of semen on women when they receive it in hopefully martial communion. Semen would significantly increase a woman's different "happiness" chemicals while being partially absorbed in the vag walls promoting connection and affection. The lead scientist, being perhaps a little too giddy in the findings article, said in that article that, I paraphrase, giving love to your love would be a great Valentine's Day gift. The entire Ob/Gen or Urologist community was floored that he dared suggest women can be pleased by penetrative, raw sex as God intends and he was promptly punished.

It's bizarre how much healthy and holy sexual relations are attacked by the wicked world and compromising, foolish churches, yet everything that's as far from as possible true, intimate sex is promoted and shoved into our faces. Absolutely insane!

>>827353

is supposed to reply to >>827345 , not my own post.

>>827282

It's the lord's punishment for giving into the temptation. Once you give into the sin of masturbation you can't stop, it's the curse put on by Satan. He wishes to deceive you a short burst of pleasure. You gave in and the only way you'll stop now is to repent and find a submissive wife!

>>827361

>Bible have many message that contradict in itself

How are you going to tell us that there are conflicting messages in the scriptures when you can't even write proper English? Don't confuse differences of interpretation for conflict in the texts themselves. People have external ideas which interfere with their ability to make sense of what they're reading. The book could be 10 pages long and written by a single author and people would still find something to disagree about.

>>827340

>>Stop being a degenerate.

>I literally can't.

Start fighting.