/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>827180

>This is the same kind of troglodyte that calls you a christcuck and a 56% mutt

>>827182

>The more that pagans show themselves for what they really are, the better it will be for the Church's image. People hopefully will see where the true hatred comes from. From heathen and gnostic origins. Who have been enemies of the Church from ancient times.

That's a fun point that isn't made often enough.

>>827187

>Hitler was a Catholic and the KKK are extremely Christian.

Hitler was also quoted by his confidants as plotting to eliminate Christianity; we know that they tried and failed. And the KKK have been anti-Catholic for as long as they've been anti-Black. Read a book.

>>827384

>Hitler was also quoted by his confidants as plotting to eliminate Christianity

Citation needed. You're on 8kun. You might as well just provide citations by default when making claims about Hitler or Germany in general, because we're not going to let you get away with such slanderous claims unchallenged. Hitler did nothing wrong.

>the KKK have been anti-Catholic for as long as they've been anti-Black.

You started out well enough. They are definitely anti-Catholic. But calling them anti-black is stretching it, depending on your definition. They were pro-segregation, even pro-deportation, but the only lynchings they ever did were because of sexual crimes. I don't remember the exact number, but I think it was 170 or so? That was back when the criminal penalty for rape in America was execution. They weren't running around randomly killing black people, as the lügenpresse likes to portray them.

>>827386

>Citation needed. You're on 8kun. You might as well just provide citations by default when making claims about Hitler or Germany in general, because we're not going to let you get away with such slanderous claims unchallenged.

Wouldn't it be lovely if 8kun didn't let people get away with slanderous claims left unchallenged? I wish that were true. Sadly, you followed up this almost noble sentiment with…

>Hitler did nothing wrong.

It's trivially easy to prove that Hitler did wrong. Following the Blomberg affair of 1938, two of Adolf Hitler's infamous confidants, Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, coordinated with Reinhard Heydrich to falsely accuse of homosexuality (cf. Ex. 20:16, Deut. 5:20, Prov. 6:16–19, Mt. 19:16–19, Mk. 10:17–18, Lk. 18:18–19 etc.) the commander-in-chief of the German army, forcing him to resign; these two events allowed Adolf Hitler to install himself and gave him ultimate responsibility for Germany's military engagements from then until his suicide (cf. Ex. 20:13, Deut. 5:17, Ps. 139:8, Mt. 19:16–19, Mk. 10:17–18, Lk. 18:18–19, etc.). And lo and behold, World War II itself began with Hitler's armies doing something wrong: Operation Himmler was a 1939 false flag operation (cf. it. Ex. 20:16, Deut. 5:20, Prov. 6:16–19, Mt. 19:16–19, Mk. 10:17–18, Lk. 18:18–19 etc.) conceived to justify Germany's invasion of Poland. I see no need to continue listing Hitler's wicked means to Hitler's wicked ends because I suspect anyone here who's not being facetious already knows; plus, I've already proven you wrong.

Hitler's plot to eliminate Christianity revealed itself in a number of ways under his reign of terror, well beyond the numerous accounts of him never attending church or the Nazis sending Christian clergy to concentration camps (as mentioned by >>827182). He and his minions pushed for "positive Christianity," which depended on neither creeds, nor the commandments, nor the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, nor belief in the divinity of Jesus, pushing Hitler himself as "the herald of a new revelation," according to his Reichsminister of Church Affairs Hanns Kerrl. They planned to go even further than Marcion's heretical attempt to eliminate the Old Testament by replacing the crucifix with the swastika and the bible with Mein Kampf.

Oh, and Joseph Goebbels, the confidant to whom Hitler willed the Reich after his suicide according to his last will and testament, wrote in his diaries that Hitler was a fierce opponent of Christianity who forbade himself and his confidants from leaving the church "for tactical reasons." Those "tactical reasons" are obvious in images like yours: 95% of Germans were Christians, despite all of the aforementioned Nazi meddling, and they couldn't get rid of Christianity without sending 95% of Germans to death camps. I suspect that the Nazi need for Christian support is why you're here: even while supporting autists like Holden Matthews in murdering Christians on your home board, you recognize your need for Christian support in order to carry out another revolt against civilization itself. And virtually all lynchings were defended with false rape accusations, by the way.

>>827396

>Following the Blomberg affair of 1938, two of Adolf Hitler's infamous confidants, Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, coordinated with Reinhard Heydrich to falsely accuse of homosexuality

That's the part I wanted you to provide a citation for, and you know that full well. Now stop dancing and source your claim.

>commander-in-chief of the German army

Did you intentionally avoid naming the accused so that it would be harder for me to look it up?

>his suicide

According to the Soviets, who did everything humanly possible to hide the charred bodies they found and then later cremated them and scattered the ashes without telling anyone until years later. Seems legit.

>Operation Himmler was a 1939 false flag operation

According to whom? Always at least two sides to every conflict. I have no reason to believe that Soviet occupied Poland wasn't actually trying to purge ethnic Germans from western Poland.

https://codoh.com/library/document/6340/?lang=en

>the Nazis sending Christian clergy to concentration camps

You mean the "Nazis" sending communist clergymen, almost entirely from western Poland, to prison labor camps?

>He and his minions pushed for "positive Christianity,"

You do not understand what positive Christianity was. Here's a book on it. For other people, of course. You've got an agenda, so I don't expect you to deal honestly with history by listening to both sides.

https://archive.org/details/positive-christianity-in-the-third-reich-by-cajus-fabricius_201906/mode/2up

Dr. Fabricius addresses the pagan sect of the same name in the book, which is what you're describing. It never got much traction and Hitler told Rosenberg to knock it off well before the war ever started.

Also Hanns Kerrl wasn't involved with the pagan shenanigans of Rosenberg. He was involved with PR in trying to get the "Confessing Churches" to try to stop fighting with the government, which eventually did happen once the misunderstandings were cleared up and communist agitators were removed. Then later with the German state church, which isn't such a strange concept in Germany given their history.

>wrote in his diaries

The authenticity of large portions of Goebbels's "complete" diary are highly contested. Again, Soviets were involved.

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3793

This thread is for people reading this who are looking for an honest discussion of this matter.

>even while supporting autists like Holden Matthews in murdering Christians

Don't accuse me of supporting that edgy retard. He deserves to be publicly flogged for his stupidity. By the way, he didn't actually kill anyone. He just wanted to cause property damage, from the looks of it. 9th commandment, remember? I know how much you love referencing it.

>And virtually all lynchings were defended with false rape accusations, by the way.

From the looks of it, I'd say the angry mobs didn't think the accusations were false. I don't either. Especially considering how low the body count was.

>you recognize your need for Christian support in order to carry out another revolt against civilization itself.

No, I actually believe this stuff because I've examined it critically and I don't like the idea of the Christians of Germany being falsely accused by the people who threatened to riot if Pilate resisted letting Jesus be executed. Guilt for His blood is upon their heads and upon their children's heads. Matthew 27:25.

Hitler did nothing wrong, btw.

https://codoh.com/library/document/1049/?lang=en

>>827396

>He and his minions pushed for "positive Christianity," which depended on neither creeds, nor the commandments, nor the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, nor belief in the divinity of Jesus, pushing Hitler himself as "the herald of a new revelation," according to his Reichsminister of Church Affairs Hanns Kerrl.

Read this and revisit that assertion, and stop reading Wikipedia

Positive Christianity was just a slogan for a culture that practiced generally christian values. It was interdenominational and deliberately did not concern itself with creeds.

The reality about Hitler is much more tame. He was a Catholic, but probably not a totally consistent one. He led Germany to do evil, but not the boogeyman level the popular opinion thinks. He was decidedly pro Christian and had a more moral state than preceded his rule.

There were anti Christian elements in the leadership that can only tenuously tied to him and practically nothing came of it.

No, swastikas did not replace crosses and mk did not become a holy book. That's just so stupid

This is the best site for the topic, from an atheist anti Nazi

https://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm