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Catholicism and Homosexuality 02/07/20 (Fri) 15:42:12 7c28fc No.826911

<thread copied from /christianity/

Let's have an earnest discussion on this topic, because up until now it was shut down on /christian/ every single time by the Catholic mods. How prevalent is homosexuality among the Catholic clergy, and if homosexuality and pedophilia are as common as most sources claim (+50%), then how can the Catholic church even be recognized as a valid Christian organisation? I know Catholics will claim that this is all somehow fabricated and that only <0.1% of priests are deviants, etc. pp., but here are my sources, and I can find many more:

>“You’re so attractive,” he said. “You’re in great shape and you have beautiful clothes. Come on, you must know that everyone is staring at you all the time. You know full well that every guy here including the priests and even the bishop would f*ck you if they had the chance.”

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gay-catholic-inside-the-seminary-closet/

>But gay men probably make up at least 30 to 40 percent of the American Catholic clergy, according to dozens of estimates from gay priests themselves and researchers. Some priests say the number is closer to 75 percent. One priest in Wisconsin said he assumed every priest was gay unless he knows for a fact he is not. A priest in Florida put it this way: “A third are gay, a third are straight and a third don’t know what the hell they are.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/it-is-not-a-closet-it-is-a-cage-gay-catholic-priests-speak-out.html

>In September 2018 a report was leaked that reported that 3,677 children in Germany, mostly boys under age 13, were sexually abused by Catholic clergy members over the past seven decades". About 1,670 church workers, or 4.4% of the clergy, had been involved in the abuse which is "shocking and probably just the tip of the iceberg" according to Germany's Federal Justice Minister Katarina Barley[68]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country#Germany

I'm looking forward to a serious Catholic response to this. I want to stress that I know that there are many Catholics who are not sexual deviants, and that we must look towards our common enemy, but it's still a topic very worthy of discussion.

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02/07/20 (Fri) 17:10:01 3f05cd No.826922

Are you sure this thread is made in good faith, or is this a trap?

Anyway, there is evidence to show that the communists infiltrated the seminaries in the middle of the 20th century by recruiting homosexuals to the priesthood en masse.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/news-episcopal-sodomy-communist-homosexual-infiltrators

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02/07/20 (Fri) 17:42:13 6c137e No.826923

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Yes, the church has been infiltrated.

yes, there are those who not only brought in homosexual "Chickenhawks", but actively protected them.

But this "all Priests are pedos" is a … well, God damned lie. No in vain intended. Those who say it in ignorance commit a venial sin, those who say it with malice and with no regard to the truth commit the mortal sin of bearing false witness.

Those protestants who say it also commit the sin of hypocrisy and hate of the Holy Mother church.

I'm tired of this lie being shoved in my face all the time.

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!JEWS.kY0hk 02/07/20 (Fri) 17:54:26 3a4827 No.826926

>>826923

>one Jew led one anti-Catholic movement in 1845

>"jews behind anth-catholic movement.png"

America had been protestant since Plymouth Rock, matey.

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02/07/20 (Fri) 18:05:28 6c137e No.826929

>>826926

My Catholic ancestors were here before Plymouth Rock, my Jewish friend.

And Maryland was founded by a Catholic.

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02/07/20 (Fri) 18:07:20 001271 No.826930

>>826911

>30 to 40 percent of the American Catholic clergy, according to dozens of estimates from gay priests themselves and researchers. Some priests say the number is closer to 75 percent.

I can't find any references in the times article. Anyone know what researchers found this?

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02/07/20 (Fri) 18:20:12 6c137e No.826935

>>826930

> Anyone know what researchers found this?

Perhaps it's not at all true and this is just another Catholic hate and lies thread quoting jewish media.

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!JEWS.kY0hk 02/07/20 (Fri) 18:35:31 3a4827 No.826940

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>>826929

While we're cherrypicking, Haym Salomon financed the Revolution and George Washington personally welcomed Jews into the United States. But why pretend that virtually everyone else who came to the colonies was not anti-Catholic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States#History

>Anti-Catholicism was official government policy for the English who settled the colonies along the Atlantic seaboard. Maryland was founded by a Catholic, Lord Baltimore, as the first 'non-denominational' colony and was the first to accommodate Catholics.

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02/07/20 (Fri) 19:00:48 ab4641 No.826944

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>>826935

Even the nyt isn't that blatant

I'm looking up studies

>Rev. Cozzens, "The Changing Face of the Priesthood"

<23% - 58%, even higher for younger priests

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2000/11/04/challenges-and-gifts-homosexual-priest

>LA Times Poll 2002

<15% overall

<23% ordained 20 years or less

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-oct-20-me-gaypriest20-story.html

>Catholic Attorney based on Priest's estimates 2006

<70%

<90% in Miami archdiocese

https://web.archive.org/web/20080607104701/http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/060412

References from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Roman_Catholic_priests

The US population as a whole is 1.2% - 6.8%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States

The fact is that homosexuality is a rampant problem among roman catholic clergy. Even a conservative estimate is several times the average in the population.

Priestly celibacy has been directly named a cause of this. Mainstream catholic publications or leaders argue that some kind of irregular absence of sexual desire for women is actually a divine call to the priesthood.

It is also clear as noted above that subversive agents infiltrated that church with this agenda. In the last couple decades the public opinion shifting so favorably towards homosexuality has brought new pressure for change.

I would also speculate that the priestly class generally comes from a more liberal elite culture which is more inclined towards acceptance and adoption of homosexuality, but I don't know anything about that really.

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02/07/20 (Fri) 19:07:42 ab4641 No.826945

>>826923

Is anyone pushing "all priests are pedos" in your face?

Have you really had any protestants push it, or just secularists?

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02/07/20 (Fri) 19:53:54 6c137e No.826950

>>826945

Have a blessed day, Baptist Anon.

In a world where lies are spread, you merely impune reality.

Remember Christ would like us to keep His Commandments.

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02/08/20 (Sat) 19:19:35 d14db3 No.826990

More than 8% of Christ's originally selected clergy betrayed Him.

More than 8% of Christ's originally selected clergy committed suicide.

Almost 92% of Christ's originally selected clergy abandoned him at the crucifixion.

The first Pope, hand-selected by Christ, denied Him publicly three times.

etc.

You aren't going to convince me that the Catholic Church isn't authoritative just because its clergy does bad things. That has always been true. We were warned by the Apostles in their epistles that their would be wolves among us. Wolves being in the flock is not indicative of the flock not being a flock. You can't convince me to leave the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church with the same arguments used by the Pharisees to denounce Him and His disciples, i.e. that the religion must be a hoax because the Lord keeps the company of too many bad people. Do I think the Church is corrupt? Yes. Do I think that the homosexuals and Jews and communists in the clergy are abundant in the clergy? Yes. Do I think that I should leave? No; the worst time to abandon ship is in the middle of a storm.

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02/08/20 (Sat) 19:27:32 cd906e No.826992

>>826945

You could maybe, I don't know, read the OP?

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02/08/20 (Sat) 19:47:29 891cc8 No.826995

>>826992

I read it, it's not there.

It says:

>if homosexuality and pedophilia are as common as most sources claim (+50%), then how can the Catholic church even be recognized as a valid Christian organisation?

I'm not defending him making a baseless claim. I'm asking for both sides to really consider the evidence

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02/09/20 (Sun) 08:30:58 0ef19e No.827011

>>826911

There hasn't been a catholic church since 1965.

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02/09/20 (Sun) 10:13:27 7c28fc No.827022

>>826995

I'm not making a baseless claim and neither did I say that all Catholic priests are pedos. I have given a source in the OP, Germany's Federal Justice Minister, who says that 4.4% are convicted pedos, and that that's just the tip of the iceberg. In that context, and from the other sources, it is clear that "homos and pedos are +50%" means "homos and pedos in sum are +50%", and not "homos are +50% and pedos are +50%". So maybe these people should learn to read before they bear false witness about the statements of others.

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