ba0789 No.825639
Hello frens, let me give you a quick rundown of my understanding of the world thus far
>Raised atheist/borderline agnostic
>Parents apathetic to religion
>Spend childhood as le fedora tipper
>Around 16/17 started to get redpilled politically
>Became full on 14/88er national socialist by around 19
>Spend vast majority of my time at university being a heavy smoker and a stoner
>Take LSD occasionally, and then end up having a horrifying paranormal experience which cements my faith in Christ, but couldn't take it seriously because I percieved modern Christianity to be utterly cucked
>Find Steven Anderson's channel through /pol/ - he makes me realise that many of my political views were congruent with Christianity
>Finish university and get back home, get Bible, get saved
Now I'm at a loose end and want to get serious with my faith so I need to start attending church (from the UK, btw). The problem is, it seems to me like the papacy is compromised by semitic/demonic influences (the main issue being the pope's shilling for brown invasion into Europe which is heavily Islamic which seems very nonsensical to me)
I used to use 8chan before it got shoah'd and only today just realised that 8kun is actually up and running so I was glad to find this board. But when I did, I was surprised by the number of Catholics on here who defend the Catholic church in spite of its endorsement of the destruction of the white race. I also recently started listening to E Michael Jones who is very knowledgeable on the JQ, but follows an organisation that appears to be doing the bidding of the Jews. For these reasons I am leaning toward Protestantism due to the fact that the availability of independent baptist churches means that one could theoretically easily find or establish a church that promotes the interests of the people, while still upholding the faith.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone with this post but all I'm trying to do is find the truth and anyone is welcome to give their opinion on the denominations, but please try to avoid the ad-hominem shilling that I've been seeing up and down this board. I simply want to know why I should choose one particular denomination over the others.
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5a9751 No.825640
>>825639
It seems to me that you are more interested in which church you think has the correct worldly politics than whether or not that church has sound doctrine. You may as well become a Muslim if this is what you care about.
I and most of the other Catholics on this board don't like the pope, no, but it is my view that if you deny the presence of Christ in the Eucharist, you may as well not even be Christian, there is little meaning to your belief without it.
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ba0789 No.825641
>>825640
>It seems to me that you are more interested in which church you think has the correct worldly politics than whether or not that church has sound doctrine
But where is the doctrine that necessitates the destruction of my people? God made the nations separate for a reason and the Catholic establishment is working to push us towards a one-world government through globalisation.
>You may as well become a Muslim if this is what you care about.
Please be serious
>if you deny the presence of Christ in the Eucharist, you may as well not even be Christian, there is little meaning to your belief without it.
Could you elaborate on this please
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5a9751 No.825643
>>825641
>and the Catholic establishment is working to push us towards a one-world government through globalisation.
Francis says a few words every now and again. Who gives a winnie the pooh? He has not changed doctrine in any significant capacity or done anything particularly egregious apart from the disgusting idolatry from the recent synod. Hell, you may even be surprised to learn that he has granted the right to perform sacrements to the traditionalist SSPX priests, who had been in schism with the church over appointing their own priests in protest of Vatican II for decades.
>Could you elaborate on this please
It would take a lot longer than one post to describe why, but here's a handy article that forms a lot of the basis for my belief in this, which you should definitely read if you have the political ideas that you do:
https://gonzoreduxblog.wordpress.com/2018/10/30/from-thermidor-empire-of-hatred/
Choice passage:
For all intents and purposes, the conception of God and man as required by the Incarnation is humanly impossible: Man will always be anxious to change the nature of truth to conform to his selfish desires, and he will always be anxious to use his fellow men as wantonly as his desires dictate. The Church’s greatest weapon in fighting this tendency has been and always will be the Eucharist. In practice, reception of the Eucharist requires constant assent to the dogmas and moral code of the Church, which is in itself a great protector of orthodoxy. Yet the very existence of the Eucharist is as critical as the obligations it imposes. It stands against the Protestant notion that the completeness of Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary rendered the rest of time essentially superfluous, and man’s striving in that period equally vain. It is an affront to the Calvinist notion of foreknown election, for if not all men have the capability to receive the Eucharist, then Christ was a liar in claiming to have come to save the entire human race. And it is a guard against the tendency to turn Christianity into nothing but a philosophy, for having the presence of God in religious service is the greatest guard against thinking God is a mere idea. The unity of Christian will and action is found in the Eucharist, just as is found the unity of Christ’s divinity and manhood. This is why Christ left us the Eucharist; this is why it cannot be attacked without eventually destroying Christianity as a whole.
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ba0789 No.825644
>>825643
Thanks for the article, noted
As a Brit, could you explain to me why I should choose the Roman Catholic Church as opposed to the Church of England then?
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f2ffa5 No.825645
>>825639
We understand your plight. The mass importation of the 3rd world into Europe is utterly tragic. But please know, what the Pope has to say on it doesn't equate to all of the Church believing this. There are nationalists in the Church. What is ironic is alot of them are from Africa (see pic related).
Bad popes and bishops come and go, but the kingdom of God is eternal. Unfortunately, we we born during the time where the Church is under heavy siege from the smoke of satan. Many have become confused as to who the true successor of Jesus and His apostles truly are. But history shows that the Church has always been in Rome. It started with Peter and continues on from his See. Like the Kingdom of Israel before it, there have been bad leaders. Thus doesn't mean we shoul abandon ship as leaders come and go. Just like the modernists/liberals will die off in the political world (already happening in America and Europe with the rise of national populism) they too will die off in Jesus' church.
I'm praying for you fren. I hope you hear the master's call and not be lead astray by false Shepards. Pray the rosary and trust in God, for He will calm this storm agianst the Church and our people when the time is right.
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5a9751 No.825646
>>825644
For you, I recognize it may be a difficult thing given how you live in a very Protestant culture, but I myself live in the heavily Baptist American south, so don't let it deter you. For better or worse, most people no longer care.
As for why you should be Catholic, I believe it's the one true church and all, etc. but speaking personally, what brought me to it was two things: the vitalism in the Catholic parishes I visited (as opposed to the others when I was in my own soul searching phase) and a simple belief that God wants to be worshipped in a very particular way. Reading the Bible lead me to this conclusion, the characterization of God that I saw in it was one who established very hard and fast rules and even at times dealt punishments not just for misbelief but for improper worship of Him. Traditional Catholics and Orthodox are the only ones who have the claim of direct inheritance from the apostles of Jesus Christ and their practices.
I actually do believe it's possible that the Orthodox are saved as well, but I hold no such hope for the Protestants.
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ba0789 No.825648
>>825646
It is my understanding that salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ which surely would mean that virtually all denominations of Christianity would be saved provided they truly believed
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
Acts 16:30-31 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
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ba0789 No.825649
>>825645
Do you think there is a possibility that in the future, the church will return to a more traditional fundamentalist view of the Bible and turn against modern depravity? The thing that troubles me is that if the Pope has to be elected, and he is compromised, then surely that would mean that those who elected him were also compromised?
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52d91b No.825650
>>825644
There are a number of factions within the Anglican church (broadly Low Church and High Church). If your diocese has a high Anglican church Mass will be indistinguishable from Mass at a Roman Catholic church, and they will take a sacramental view of the Eucharist the same as Roman Catholics.
Like the other anon said you may find a more vital community in your local Catholic church, but don't dismiss the Anglican church outright. If Britain ever returns to Rome it will be those priests and bishops who will do it and the Anglican/Celtic Rite will be permitted.
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81bda0 No.825652
>>825648
Matthew 7:21
>Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven
And of course James 2
>26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
What many of the various Protestant denominations lack is Apostolic succession. It is through Apostolic succession we know that the teachings came from the apostles themselves. Much like how Joshua was the successor to Moses, the apostles were the successors to Jesus, and the Bishops of the church are the successors to them. The Protestant denominations deliberately cut themselves off from that line of succession, and therefore cannot be trusted or believed.
For anyone to just read the Bible and claim they understand it and call themselves a successor to the apostles, none outside of the church can prove it. Hence why there are so many different prot denoms with vastly different interpretations of the Bible the message it gives us.
>>825649
>Do you think there is a possibility that in the future, the church will return to a more traditional fundamentalist view of the Bible and turn against modern depravity?
Absolutely 100%. Admittedly it's going to take a long while. Like how Israel had to wait a couple Generations for the disobediants in Israel to die off before they were even allowed to enter the Promised Land, the traditional faithfuls will have to wait for those that are disobedient in Jesus' Church to die off so the more traditionally minded can take over. This is why many of my fellow parishioners and I pray for our seminarians. As a Knight of Columbus I actually get to interact with them many of them. Not too long ago one of the seminarians that visited our Parish told us about how some of his brothers in the Seminary burned a Nachomama statue during a bonfire. That action definitely caused an uproar to the leftists on Facebook, but many in the actual Parish told him he did a good thing by doing that.
So yes, the church is going to suffer in the short-term. As for the long term, I am optimistic.
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1fd3b9 No.825654
>>825639
But salvation is individual. And just having the name of Christ in your entrance won't guarantee salvation.
>>825652
While it would be wrong to desconsider what the apostles did, we are bound to Christ. He sent the apostles first, to teach and spread the word of the gospel, and those who received it and went on to spread the gospel themselves, are just as worthy of respect, so long as they walk on the footsteps of Christ.
>"For anyone to just read the Bible and claim they understand it and call themselves a successor to the apostles, none outside of the church can prove it."
As Christ said in Mark 16: 17-18, the authority comes not from men, but from God manifesting his power through that man/woman.
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001c67 No.825661
>>825654
>As Christ said in Mark 16: 17-18, the authority comes not from men, but from God manifesting his power through that man/woman.
And that exactly is the role the Catholic Church has in salvation.
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b397a3 No.825665
Christ founded the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Orthodox Church. Simple as.
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cb38b3 No.825670
Remember:
Christ was NOT a real person and never existed. Just a made up human metaphor.
Christ is NOT the son of God as he is made up by man.
Christ did NOT rise after death as he has not ever existed.
IMO
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e7d175 No.825672
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001c67 No.825673
>>825665
Anti-Catholic memes never make sense…
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864d52 No.825686
>Christ begins His ministry with 12 Apostles, 11 of which would go on to start His Church
>One, holy, catholic, and apostolic church for 10 centuries (except for the Nestorians and Monophysites going their own way)
>AD 1054 - Church splits into Orthodox and Roman Catholic over disagreements about the authority of the Pope (an office recognized by all Christian Fathers from the beginning)
>AD 1520 - Martin Luther, a priest without apostolic authority, breaks his vows along with a nun, rewrites the Bible, admittedly has conversations with Satan, and begins the Lutheran denomination
>AD 1534 - King Henry VIII leaves the Catholic Church and takes England with it because the Pope won't annul his first marriage and he wants to marry another woman; he begins the Anglican denomination and proceeds to marry six more women since Anglican bishops have no issues listening to the King over God
>AD 1552 - John Calvin breaks away from the "Catholic Church" (read: Lutheran church) because he disagrees with the Lutherans over doctrines on the True Presence and determinism – he starts the Calvinist denomination
>AD 1609 - John Smyth, who felt the Anglican denomination was not "pure" enough started the Baptist denomination on Puritan beliefs as well as the belief that invisible Baptist churches actually existed in an unbroken chain since the time of Christ and left no historical footprint
>AD 1735 - John Wesley breaks off from the Anglican denomination and makes his own Methodist denomination because he was self-admittedly "totally depraved" and felt that the Church of England was simultaneously not teaching "Faith Alone" or encouraging good enough works
>AD 1785 - After the American Revolution, Anglicans didn't think they could swear allegiance to the British monarch, so they created a new Episcopalian denomination for Anglicans in America
>AD 1820 - Joseph Smith creates an elaborate story about ancient Jews sailing across the ocean and landing in America where they received the true revelation of Christ and proceeds to create Mormonism out of some pretty insane Bible fan-fiction
>AD 1863 - James White and his wife, Ellen, after the wake of three failed prophecies by Baptist preacher William Miller, decide to publish upwards of 2000 prophecies that Ellen supposedly had about how the Apocalypse had already started and that the Sabbath needed to be observed on Saturday – the (Seventh Day) Adventist denomination is born
>AD 1870 - Charles Taze Russell creates the Jehovah's Witnesses by claiming that Jesus was already among us, harvesting souls, and that the end of the world would happen in 1874… no wait, 1914… no wait, 1925… no wait, on and on and on; oh, and Jesus was just an angel and only 144,000 people go to heaven
>AD 1900 - Several Protestant men and women get together and form a Pentecostal denomination that is completely based on the idea that letting snakes bite you and shouting out gibberish while convulsing on the floor is somehow God's will
I think I hit all of the big ones. The Catholic Church is the true Church Christ founded. So is the Orthodox Church, but they operate illicitly. Here's the thing, though: Christ had 12 Apostles and all of them made mistakes. Heck, one of them betrayed Him and hung himself despite being hand-chosen by Christ. What does this tell us? That the Church Christ made on Earth is going to have both people who make sinful mistakes and people who are damned in it. Just because the Catholic Church is corrupt right now doesn't mean it isn't the true Church. Also, most devout Catholics happen to think that the Church clergy will play a big antagonistic role in the evil of the Apocalypse just how the Pharisees were endowed with Heavenly authority and still fought against Christ.
<"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach." Matthew 23:2-3
>The Catholic theologians and Bishops sit in Peter's chair. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
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864d52 No.825687
>>825650
There are many Anglicans who have returned to Rome. There is the Ordinariate Rite. My spiritual director is a former Anglican priest and a part of the Rite that was established specifically for bringing Anglicans back into the fold.
>>825652
>As a Knight of Columbus
I like what you have to say, but I'd be wary of the Knights. From my own experience, they are a wicked organization and ought never have been formed. Basically, a reactionary movement to the Masons and an attempt to bring a secret society into the American Catholic Church.
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6faac7 No.825691
>>825687
>I like what you have to say, but I'd be wary of the Knights. From my own experience, they are a wicked organization and ought never have been formed. Basically, a reactionary movement to the Masons and an attempt to bring a secret society into the American Catholic Church.
It's not even a secret society. Everything we do is related to charity. The only secrets we have are the degree rites which only reaffirm church doctrine.
Heck, I'll even tell you what each degree rite goes through
>1st degree
You are told to look upon a plaster skull and are told the phrase "tempus fugit memento mori" which literally means "time is short, remember death" which is to remind us that our time here on earth is short compared to the eternity we spend in heaven or hell, depending on our actions. We are given a rosary and told to pray it everyday. We are called to become prayer warriors.
>2nd degree
We are taught the value of unity in our brotherhood. The difference between a simple string and a mighty rope. To better put it in terms I know you are familiar with, the strength of one stick verses a mighty fasces. For an individual stick is easily broken, but a fasces is damn near indestructible.
>3rd degree
We are literally given a quiz to test our knowledge on our faith and dogma (10 commandments, the sacrements, etc) to show us what we know and what we lack in our faith, to compell us to know and do better. We are than told to literally bend the knee at the cross and swear fealty to our God-Emperor Jesus Christ. Having him become our anchor in life.
There is a 4th degree involving patriotism, but I have not done that yet so I cant tell you what is done there, but if the other three are anything to go by, it is based in scripture and is church approved.
Yes, I have read the articles on the bad knights in our fraternity on Church Militant. Yes, it pains me to have our name tarnished by these people. Are they possibly Freemason? Maybe, but it won't prevent me from being a knight and helping my community. Just like I'm sure there are Freemasons in the clergy. Bad prelates won't scare me away and cause me to abandon the Church.
To be frank, the local councils are independent from one another. What a council in Chicago does has no affect on what a council in Milwaukee or Austin does.
I can ramble on and on about the various charitable programs we have for the community and the seminarians, but I made this post already pretty long. I wish not to bore you (unless you really want me to). Instead I'll leave you with a video that sums up alot of what goes on in the extremist group known as the Knights of Columbus. Video in the next post.
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6faac7 No.825692
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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7675a7 No.825701
>>825686
You left out in the 1st 10 centuries Rome was not in charge of the entire church.
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183345 No.825705
There's one True Church, the Roman Catholic Church.
"denominations" are just Heretics.
Is the Pope Catholic is tautological. The question you should be asking is "Can a heretic become Pope". The answer is no. Was Bergoglio a heretic? Obviously.
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7f0ebe No.825716
>>825701
Yes, this is true. But by the grace of God and the blood of the martyrs Rome was bought and paid for by the Church. Now the Church has the sovereign city-state of the Vatican from which it administrates the church.
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b397a3 No.825718
>>825686
>an office recognized by all Christian Fathers from the beginning
False.
Even if that was true, John VIII confirmed the Photian Council and banned the Filioque, before then being assassinated. The issue being, in Roman Catholicism, once a Pope ratifies an Ecumenical Council, it becomes infallible. This is also why every Roman Catholic must accept Vatican II, as it was ratified by Paul VI.
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183345 No.825733
>>825718
You are then left with the contradiction of Church teaching before Vatican II that the Catholic Church "Is" the Church established by Christ, to the teaching after that the Catholic Church "subsists in" the Church established by Christ.
Was the first teaching or the second ecumenical interpretation that is now being interpreted as there are more than One True Church of God right? Here's two Clues:
1) Clearly, Jesus our Lord Created only ONE True Church.
2) Montini was a heretic, a "Modernist", and thus could not be made Pope.
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b397a3 No.825737
>>825733
I don't even understand your point… you didn't touch on what I said about the Photian Council. Sedevacantism? Wow, so fresh and exciting. Sedevacantism is pure onanism, the last dog you can kick before you exit the apostate papist edifice. It's sorta like how 'KJV-onlyists' use their religion as a shield so they can say all manner of scathing/uncharitable calumny against others.
Sedevacantism has proven the defection of the Roman church on its own terms to demonstration. Pontrello's book has proven Sedevacantism suffers the same fate as other trad positions upon closer examination and only survives on what it hides (Indefectibility, Visibility, Vatican I teachings, etc.). No matter which way a Roman Catholic turns (Indultarian, Uniate, SSPV, pro-Thuc, Feeneyism, FSSP, SSPX, Sedeprivationism, Sedevacantism, Novus Ordo, etc.) he is left with contradictions because each side can successfully debunk the other to demonstration.
The only conclusion left is simply that the Roman Church has erred and contradicted itself somewhere at sometime(s)—whether at Vatican I, Vatican II, the Great Schism, Hildebrand (Gregory VII), upon the election of John XXIII, Pope Francis, etc—take your pick. Since the Roman Church has erred it obviously can err—yet it still remains the Roman Church (Pontrello proves so), only now it can be seen for what it is, stripped of its mythical claims always denied by the Eastern Orthodox.
This is not to say he proves, or sets out to prove, that Eastern Orthodoxy is right. He only proves that Rome is wrong, no matter which way you slice it (if you want to uphold the law of non-contradiction, that is). This honest assessment of the situation, may lead some to consider or re-consider Orthodox claims—no more, no less, and as it should be.
Pontrello's book is devastating. Proof? No Sedevacantists (Besides Steven Speray) such as NovusOrdoWatch, Dimond bros, etc have even dared undertaking a refutation. They won't touch it; only a priori dismissal and hand waiving—a wise choice given the alternative. But the silence is deafening to those in the know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrSU0afdDrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK3RW9LKJnc
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b397a3 No.825738
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b58ca7 No.825747
>>825737
>the flesh of Christ doesn't have blood in it
Ok, utraquist
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b397a3 No.825771
>>825747
>casuistry
Yeah, this also justifies not communing children/christimating them because 'age of reason'–even though it was the universal practice of the early church. Since you stopped doing that based on 'age of reason', Protestants decided to not baptize children. Furthermore, Pope Gelasius certainly didn't think that the body was sufficient. Not that you can have a valid host without an Epiclesis, Azymite.
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784e5d No.826277
>>825670
I agree. Teaching the common man to read is a mistake. They can't understand metaphor. A character named Jesus is reaching out of a book into your mind. He says "I am God. I speak in parables". So what do the brainlets do? They take the entire book literally. They pervert the true meaning of God's word. but hey "the wicked will do wickedly; only the wise will understand".
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