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This is a sufficiently good Troll… I'll take the bait.

All forms of Marxism are mortal sins. You can't be communist and take communion.

Our Lord Jesus Christ was a carpenter's son. Saint Joseph owned his carpenter tools. That made him a capitalist. The Holy Catholic Church believes in the right of the individual to own property, work employ people though they must be justly treated.

Have a nice day, hope repent and avoid hell.

>>825206

>Right to own Property the same as the celebration of greed

>>825206

American capitalism destroyed as many lives and wars as Russian capitalism. Don’t fool yourself. Money a false god.

>>825206

I meant say Russian communism. Nevertheless capitalist Russia isn’t much better as communist . Hollywood and capitalism done more to normalize the LGBT degeneracy than communism.

>>825204

And your solution is?

Capitalism is fully compatible with Christianity.

>>825218

>And your solution is?

Make your own community free from capitalism and communism.

Capitalism is exactly why all the megacorps go rainbow colored in June. Fact is, capitalism, not communism, is the agent for 'cultural marxism' and globohomo today.

>>825220

I think you should give a definition of "capitalism". What's "capitalism"? A free market economy? If it's that, then >>825206 is 100% right. Individuals trading voluntarily is not "greed", and favors the ones who have the most to offer others.

>>825221

IMO, problem is how governments and corporations are conflated. Big corporations lobby governments to pass laws "for the public's interest" that only stifle competition. At the same time, bloated governments mean that the most profitable way to act is to invest in top tier lawyers and bribes. And government officials, most of whom study law, love that.

The elites are a cohesive group. "Private" and "public" means nothing, it's all controlled by the same people all the time. They go out together, have dinner together, marry one another, etc. Corporations, public offices… just positions of power to hold.

>>825220

So how would that community function?

>>825226

The Amish still exist don’t they?

When Christ came on earth he came not to preach the gospel of capitalism

To me, when proponents of capitalism say that it were *the* system that Christians and the Church were always living in, it sounds the same as when some fidel castro or chavez says to his flock how the earliest christians all lived in ploretarian societies where everything was held in common, obviously they are only cramming their ideology into religion. But Christianity is already an ideology standing on its own…

>>825289

Thing is, "capitalism" (if by that we refer to free markets and the spontaneous order born of voluntary exchange between individuals) is NOT a system created by men. It's just the natural order, what comes up when we don't interfere with each other.

Is the Christian way of acting telling everyone the exact price they should sell their crops for, and what varieties should they plant, and then get 30% of their harvest because you are entitled to it? I'd say it isn't. If a person is not harming others (nor himself), I don't think it is Christian to attack his liberty. And if you let people pursue their goals freely and trade voluntarily, the economic "system" you have is called capitalism.

Again, as I said in >>825221 , we should first define the word. When this conversation comes up, the problem is always we all mean slightly different things.

The good economic order is that which is natural, not designed and forced by some men onto others. Call it capitalism or call it whatever you want.

> it sounds the same as when some fidel castro or chavez says to his flock how the earliest christians all lived in ploretarian societies where everything was held in common

This would be a really long conversation if developed properly, so I'll just say that capitalism (as defined above) revolves around creating information about the needs of society, and that way, large societies are coordinated naturally. In a small community you don't need prices and market signals to know the needs of society at large: you know them all by name, you can know their needs and work to satisfy them. Essentially, every home is a socialist community.