69d9c8 No.823904
Joshua Harris, author of I Kissed Dating Goodbye, is leaving Christianity and divorcing his wife. I read his book in high school and wonder if any Christanons have as well.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/whither-evangelical-purity-culture-thoughts-on-the-legacy-of-a-lost-pastor/
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ab3cf9 No.823905
>>823904
Man that book cover is ironic.
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c70964 No.823918
>>823904
I read the National Review article, I always find it interesting how the extreme elements of the faith do this to themselves. It's always the story of the youths versus Elias, Ham versus Noah, and Jesus versus the Pharisees. You never know who is actually wearing clothes until the day of reckoning comes. No matter how long one is forced to wait for the day of wrath however, discerning who is spiritually without clothes tends to be not that hard.
This is what comes of not attending to that beam sticking out of your eye gentlemen.
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a604be No.823922
>>823918
I think it comes from pride to be honest. I knew a guy who was a super traditional Catholic who just spewed hate at anyone who wasn't exactly like him. Latin Mass only, SSPX supporter, extra ecclesiam nulla salus, made his girlfriend wear a veil in church, the whole 9 yards (not that any of those things are bad, I'm just trying to paint a picture). 2 years after that he renounces his faith, comes out as homosexual, and ends up becoming a Nietzsche and Evola atheist (obviously so he can think of himself as an ubermensch looking down on the rest of us plebs).
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36a6d9 No.823923
>>823904
>Evangelical
Not sure how this is relevant to /christian/.
OK, seriously though, this is just the inevitable result of sola scriptura & sola fide - like any post-modern philosophy, adherents will tend to view Truth as subjective and thus open to being bent, or ignored. Their minds are open enough for their brains to fall out.
>>823905
If I ever need a free Fedora I'll just become an Atheist for a day. Christopher Hitchens will appear in a blast of hell fire and just hand me apparently. You really can't be a real Atheist without one.
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c70964 No.823943
>>823922
Oh gee, that's nasty. I got into Christianity so I could stop reading Julius Evola and Nietzsche. I have other reasons for becoming a Christian, but even I could recognize the absolute filth that I was imbibing, at my spiritual lowest and closest to hell.
Anyway, always a good reminder for why I follow Jesus. Don't normally think what could happen without such a moderating force in my life, it's not a hugely pleasant thought.
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e34e6f No.823970
>It worked like this — sexual sin stained young persons, even if Christ forgave them. They would walk into marriage diminished in some crucial ways. The white dress, fundamentally, was a lie. And the message wasn’t confined to sexuality. Did you drink? Did you smoke a joint? Each one of those things altered a person’s self-definition. They were no longer “pure.” They could never be “pure” again.
>All too many times, I saw the despair. A young person would come to me and say, “I screwed up.” They would really mean, “I’m ruined.” Their storybook dreams were dead. A 17-year-old with (God willing) 70 years of life ahead of him would approach me carrying the awful burden of thinking that he had defined his life forever. He was no longer — and never would be — the person he wanted to be.
>Sometimes the despair would trigger wild rebellion. If they’re “ruined,” then why should they care about obedience? There are two states of being — virgin or not, teetotaler or not — and if you’re not, then you might as well indulge yourself. Other times the despair would trigger constant, nagging guilt and regret. A girl would walk down the aisle to marry a man who loved God and loved her, and she’d feel a shadow on her soul.
All this misunderstanding hurts my brain.
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beb21c No.823984
>>823904
>“I am not a Christian.”
Understatement
> He apologized to the LGBT community for not affirming gay marriage and for the ways that his writing and speaking “contributed to a culture of exclusion and bigotry.”
When the bluepill hits you hard and you realize it's affecting your book sales
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635ee7 No.823987
>>823922
"Heh. Objective moral truth" *tips fedora*
Maybe he'll be lucky enough to get a STD (curable thanks be to God) like me and realize everything does exist for a purpose.
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0e4d75 No.824008
>>823922
Wee lad. That’s really rough to contemplate and I always feel terrified when I try to imagine myself in that position.
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46b824 No.824010
This is why you should read the Church Fathers, at least you know how their lives went.
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f0246c No.824068
>>823987
SSPX doesn't believe in EENS, they believe Muslims can go to heaven without converting
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b1cdba No.824076
>>824068
>SSPX doesn't believe in EENS
Well of course they don't, they're not in the Church after all!
>they believe Muslims can go to heaven without converting
I don't think you understand what extra ecclesiam nulla salus is, i'll post a link to the catechism below.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm#846
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ebb50b No.824086
>>823904
Next week he'll come out as gay.
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f0246c No.824089
>>824076
I understand what it means very well. Even Lumen Gentium (which could have errors) never says that they can die without converting and be saved. Anyways taking your theology from V2 is a bad idea considering V2 also says that people have religious liberty and Cardinal Burke and others explicitly recently released a syllabus of errors saying this is false and no one has the right to error or practice a false religion.
Heretics are the ones that push that you don't have to convert or believe in Jesus and you can die this way and be saved. St. Thomas Aquinas and many others said at the very minimum you must believe in the Incarnation and the Trinity. SSPX are heretics and so are you.
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41b062 No.824092
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b1cdba No.824094
>>824089
>V2 also says that people have religious liberty
What is wrong with this? You can't force people to be Christian. I'll post the paragraph I'm assuing you dsagree with
>2. This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.
>Cardinal Burke and others explicitly recently released a syllabus of errors
The Declaration of Truths reaffirms Church teachings.
>SSPX are heretics and so are you
All I did in my last post was quote the catechism. Are you a Sede or a Feeneyite?
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9b2fe9 No.824106
>>823904
Does anyone know where her wife stand in all this? Is she okay with the divorce?
I feel bad for her. Can you imagine being a faithful wife who gives her virginity to a man only to have him come out as a homosexual deviant 15 years later?
I feel bad for the kids too. An atheist father skyrockets the chances that his kids will end up atheists as well.
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16801a No.824432
>>824094
No it doesn't. No human has the right to practice false religions. You must be blind or a deceitful person.
<The gift of free will with which God the Creator endowed the human person grants man the natural
right to choose only the good and the true. No human person has, therefore, a natural right to
offend God in choosing the moral evil of sin, the religious error of idolatry, blasphemy, or a false
religion.
NO HUMAN PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE A FALSE RELIGION.
http://www.ncregister.com/images/uploads/Declaration_Truths_Errors_final_version_clean.pdf
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5a17d4 No.824436
>>824076
I am sick and tired of this. First of all, the new catechism is modernist and not infallible. You're rejecting Catholic ecclesiology and have adopted modernist Protestant ecclesiology. You promote Pelagianism. You shamelessly reject Trent's dogmatic teaching that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation. You have, in fact, openly rejected the dogma EENS. Even many of the modernists try to at least pay lipservice to EENS by claiming not that one can be saved outside the Church but by expanding and redefining various modes by which one can be within the Church. You claim that there are "exceptions" to EENS even though one of the dogmatic EENS definitions used the term "absolutely", as in "absolutely" no salvation outside the Church. If there was ONE THING that Trent intended to teach regarding CATHOLIC ecclesiology (vs. the emerging heretical Protestant ecclesiology), it was that the Church is a VISIBLE SOCIETY whose members can be easily identified, not some amorphous amalgam of members who are only known to God. You reject this wholesale. You are nothing but a heretical Protestant. You are an abomination to me. Begone, Satan. If an angel were to come down from heaven and teach that there are exceptions to EENS, I would declare him anathema. Much less the likes of yourself.
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.”
(Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council EX CATHEDRA, 1215.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino EX CATHEDRA, 1441.)
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35f700 No.824455
>>824432
So what do we do with these people then? Throw them in jail or kill them? Wouldn't it be better to convert them?
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35f700 No.824457
>>824436
But the Church still says their is only Salvation within the Church. And you're quite disrespectful buddy, calling someone the devil and all. Wouldn't want the same thing happening to you with your uncharitablness now would you?
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69d9c8 No.824473
>>824106
This is the very first time I've ever seen his picture. And a picture of his family to boot.
As for his wife, I know the two of them wrote a book together sometime after their marriage and the success of his magnum opus. I have no idea what her views are.
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0e7e0c No.824480
He's obviously a homosexual.
He just divorced his wife and launched a paragraph long screed about how sorry he was to lgtbq people for all the hateful things he said about them before finding out things about himself that led him to renounce christ and leave his wife. It's an obvious leadup to coming out as homosexual in a few months to a year.
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0e7e0c No.824481
>>823905
>Man that book cover is ironic.
>>823923
> Christopher Hitchens will appear in a blast of hell fire and just hand me apparently. You really can't be a real Atheist without one.
why would that happen he was not one of the brown fedora meme guys
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32fa51 No.824494
>>824455
>hey guys, let us drop the poison in the well so that it transforms into water
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32fa51 No.824495
>>824436
>the Bull Cantate Domino EX CATHEDRA
lmao
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025cf6 No.824512
>>824494
That's why you give the poison the antidote first. The antidote obviously being the life-saving body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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32fa51 No.824515
>>824512
I dont think you understand. The antidote was give to them a long time ago, many times.
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025cf6 No.824519
>>824515
That's why you have to keep giving them the antidote until it works. If we're going to stick with the Venom analogy, if you have insufficient amount of antidote it's not going to clear up all the Venom.
That's why you need to administer just enough or more antidote to clear up the Venom.
Make sure they're completely clear before they come back in. But you also can't force the antidote on someone. They have to be willing to take it.
And don't get me wrong I'm not excusing religious liberty in a society. A society that allows religious liberty is just asking for that Society to collapse. but even in a society that does not allow religious Liberty, people are still free to reject the one true faith, but that doesn't mean you have to let them in your Society.
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