61ee99 No.822549
No ban please, thank you, I just want to know. How can we be sure of the New Testament's legitimacy? The books were written several decades after Christ sometimes by people we don't even know or by people who didn't even witness the events told, then to my understanding, more than a century after, these writings were compiled into the New Testament by the officials of the Church.
How can we be sure?
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836286 No.822551
>>822549
Its called oral tradition. Its the same reason why we can trust the old testament.
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2c970c No.822552
>>822549
Start with this playlist, anon.
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY
Stop believing the secular media and "intellectuals"
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61ee99 No.822553
>>822552
I'll take a listen, thanks Anon.
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2c970c No.822554
>>822553
Anytime. God bless.
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88f08e No.822562
The New Testament is the best preserved book of antiquity by a big margin. If you doubt it you can't trust any ancient literary sources.
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a18194 No.822579
>>822562
this. surviving texts from antiquity are fragmentary in nature, many greek plays, histories, philosophical & religious treatises, etc are lost to time. the fact that we have so many copies of the NT, and that they date back as far as mere decades after Jesus' ministry, weighs heavily in their favor. presumably there were sources dating back to just after his ministry, but these are no longer extant. it would fit the overall pattern.
also, for all the minor discrepancies between byzantine, alexandrian, and western text-types, there's also a remarkable amount of consistency between them.
given the lack of efficient information technology in the ancient world, it's as well preserved as you could ask for.
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d86f14 No.822580
Have a little faith anon. If it was provable you would not go to hell for not believing in it. Get some logic.
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2ed6e4 No.822584
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487e03 No.822585
>>822584
wait you are saying it was decades before anyone wrote down anything jesus said? That leaves a lot of time to mix things up tbh. I had faith everything was written down as jesus spoke the truth!
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836286 No.822595
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e68144 No.822631
>>822549
Because the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have declared them to be the most accurate written accounts of the Word as Spoken by Jesus.
The real question is why do Baptists and Prots believe it if they’re entire reason for accepting the Gospel is based on Catholic traditions of men?
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ff41fc No.822632
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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1fd4b3 No.822635
>>822585
So you can’t conceive of something being true because written records are a little while after, even though several other things regarded as historical fact such as The Gallic Wars have an even longer period of time between their occurrence and the first written records?
How’s it feel being both a faithlet and a foldlet?
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e68144 No.822638
>>822632
>Prot tinfoil hat theory
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ff41fc No.822688
>>822638
What exactly is wrong with the video?
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9c62a5 No.822695
>>822553
Also we do not rely on Scripture alone but the Church as well, which Jesus Christ Himself founded. I would also go through the Catechism of the Catholic Church and go through the writings of the Early Church Fathers.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
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8517be No.822738
>>822688
Literally from the first point
> you could recognize the authority of the church in regards to what is canon in the Bible
> but you can't recognize the authority of the church in regards to anything else because muh sola scriptura
Which is also painfully ironic because if they did recognize the authority of the church when it comes to what's Canon Luther wouldn't have taken out all those books in the Bible.
You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe that's the literal definition of heresy. You either recognize the authority of the church or you don't, it's pretty simple.
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adf96e No.823920
There is actually more evidence that the new testament was written in the apostles' lifetimes than there is for Plato to have been written before the middle ages
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77281d No.823924
>>822585
All Christians hold the Biblical texts to be the inspired word of God, infallibly maintained throughout history. That said, the apostles were still alive and surely were able to recount the details of the 30-some pages of each Gospel. Additionally, this is why John's note at the end of his Gospel that all the libraries of the world could not contain the things Christ had said and done and therefore the fidelity of the faith is not relied upon scripture alone but the tradition of the apostles passed down for generations. This kills the Protestant.
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30233e No.825124
>>822562
>>822584
Homer's works aren't historical accounts though
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a8b3a8 No.825152
Back then they had a strong oral culture that allowed them to continue remembering what had occured, even today this culture still exists around the world as they can recite entire religious texts by heart. It wouldn't be a shock if they were able to recount the events that had occured with this culture and tradition in mind.
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175f9a No.825162
Some of the ways they date the books of the new testament are underhanded and manipulative.
Take for example: Jesus predicted the destruction of the second temple, which actually occurred in 70AD. Scholars look at that and say
"oh well clearly this was written after 70CE because it was an accurate prophecy and c'mon guys, prophecy isn't real"
So then they date the gospel after 70 AD. This forms the circular argument
>gospels are fake because prophecy isn't real
> prophecy isn't real because gospels aren't real
You really cannot take anything they say for face value.
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a29c3e No.825167
>>825162
To be fair, in a scholar academical context you shouldn't be assuming prophecy to be real. Problem is, when we read the Bible (at least when I do) I do not care that much about the Bible as an historical source. I want to learn and meditate about my faith.
Something similar happens when you get to the authorship about the epistles: "This letter cannot have been written by that apostle cause it's in perfect Greek and he was a poor Aramaic dude!". Man, have you heard of Pentecost?
Sometimes the academic conclusions can be a bit incomplete. The Bible is a book fr those who have faith, but academic work should aim to be objective. I think it's best to take it as a base of indisputable, objective facts, and then we can build on that knowledge with our faith.
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68e262 No.825170
>>825167
>To be fair, in a scholar academical context you shouldn't be assuming prophecy to be real.
False, there is no basis for the a priori assumption that prophecy cannot be genuine, you're confusing accepting atheistic priors as "neutrality" when it is anything but; it is directly hostile to the conclusion that Christianity is the truth.
Pure impartiality in regards to things like this is impossible, being a historian is necessarily an exercise in selective partisanship. It is just choosing which sources to take at face value, which to "contextualize", and which to dismiss, since there can never be any verification of sources beyond other sources which are necessarily just as "objectively" unverifiable as that which they would corroborate or refute.
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6f2f17 No.826252
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