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>>822105

>worship

No one worships Mary. No Catholics don't knock it off. Anyway. As for why do we venerate the Mother of Our Lord the only person on Earth who shared his DNA.

>This is your Mother take care of her

>2. Ephesians 6:2-3 “Honor your father and mother” which is the first commandment with a promise “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”

> Deuteronomy 5:16 “Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the Lord your God is giving you.”

>John 19:26-27 “When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.”

>1 Peter 4:8 “Above all, maintain an intense love for each other, since love covers a multitude of sins.”

>Luke 1:46-48 “And Mary said My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior, because He has looked with favor on the humble condition of His slave. Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed.”

“The Blessed Virgin was superior to any of the Angels in the fullness of grace, and as an indication of this the Angel showed reverence to her by saying: “Full of grace.” This is as if he said: “I show you reverence because you dost excel me in the fullness of grace.” Saint Thomas Aquinas

So what take away all the graces and Catholic doctrine and you should still be venerating her.

>Mother of God

>accepted the call without hesitation

>became pregnant at 15 for our Lord

>many believed she was raped/had an affair

>could have been killed for infidelity especially because she was the daughter of a high priest

>forced to travel while near due

>gave birth to our Lord in a stable

>as a 15 year old girl had to flee her home country with our new born Lord during the winter a few hundred miles with no complaints

>Knowing the Prophecy of Simeon and the suffering Our Lord would endure

>losing Jesus in the temple

>death of Joseph

>her nephew was beheaded

>son went off in the wilderness for 40 days with no food or water

>son came back and was nearly stoned to death and nearly thrown off a cliff

>it is implied Mary had to endure a ton of slander about her and her son despite knowing he was Our Lord before any other

>met her Son carrying his cross

>stood beneath his cross when all the other disciples except John fled

>received and held the dead body of her only son after watching him suffer for 3 hours

>buried her son

>one of the first people Jesus revealed himself to after his resurrection

>received the Holy Spirit with the Apostles at Pentecost

>Lived our her days praying and remembering different parts of her own sins execution

>did all of this because she had faith in God’s plan above all else

Mary did more for Jesus then any other person. If Mary was just a normal person with no special grace then she deserves twice the thanks and admiration the Catholics give her.

>>822133

This was my conclusion which is why I venerate Mary even though technically a Prot

>>822136

Pretty much. Most Catholics will fall into the trap of saying scripture is mistranslated instead of breaking it down and saying take all our doctrine away and Mary’s faith and dedication to the Lord and Jesus appears to surpass even the Apostles to the point she might have been able to walk on the water if Jesus asked.

This is also the Catholic basis for her having nearly all the Graces and no stain of Original Sin because that level of Faith is Super Natural and only a select few prophets in the OT were at that level.

>>822105

Where in the Bible does it say you should make a thread without lurking for 2 years first?

>>822300

That's not very nice anon

>>822105

reminder that if the Catholic Church that made the Bible is corrupt then all other denominations are memes and all use a corrupted book

>>822253

This tbh

>>822105

>Where in the Bible does it say we should venerate Mary?

When God the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth, sent one of His Great and Powerful Angels to Mary, and that Angel spoke the words of the Angelic Greeting.

"Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee! Blessed art tho among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus!!"

>Where in the Bible does it say we should worship Mary?

it doesn't, Catholics don't do that, and this untruth is repeated so often after so many explanations that it is hard to imagine it is spoken from unintentional error.

>>822105

read the first chapter of the gospel of luke, and the last few chapters of the gospel of john.

>>825479

Huh, i never knew there was scriptual evidence for her. I'm gonna have to look into this now.

>>825483

Oy vey jesuit

>>825484

Oh no, I've been found out. My shame is mine to have. But I'm still not wrong. Scripture supports Mary's queenship.

>>825483

I know, you aren't wrong, but you could have done that better.

>>822130

Thanks for the wisdom.

Veneration and worship are not the same thing. Only God is worshiped (and adored), and it's called latria. The saints in heaven are venerated (but not worshiped or adored) as holy men and women of Jesus, and this is called dulia. The veneration we give the Blessed Virgin Mary, the mother of God, the greatest of all the saints, is called hyperdulia. This is still not adoration or worship.

Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, Sess. 25, On Invocation, Veneration and Relics of Saints, and on Sacred Images (Denz. 984-987): "…the saints, who reign with Christ, offer up their prayers to God for me; and that is good and useful to invoke them suppliantly and, in order to obtain favors from God through His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who alone is our Redeemer and Savior…But if anyone should teach or maintain anything contrary to these decrees, let him be anathema."

St. Loius De Montfort, True Devotion to Mary, 1710: #28: "In the heavens Mary commands the angels and the blessed. As a recompense, God has empowered her and commissioned her to fill with saints the empty thrones from which the apostate angels fell by pride." #46: "… the greatest saints, the souls richest in graces and virtues, shall be the most assiduous in praying to our Blessed Lady, and in having her always present as their perfect model for imitation and their powerful aid for help." #174: "The Blessed Virgin, St. Bernard says… retains and keeps the saints in their plenitude, so that it may not diminish. She prevents their virtues from being dissipated, their merits from perishing, their graces from being lost, the devil from harming them…"

Mary: Mother Of God & Ark Of The New Covenant - Absolute Proof! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFdujLSVL5Y

>>825508

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

http://drbo.org/chapter/49001.htm

Luke 1:

[26] And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, [27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. [28] And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

[41] And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: [42] And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. [43] And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? [44] For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. [45] And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.

[46] And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. [47] And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. [48] Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. [49] Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. [50] And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

[48] "Shall call me blessed": These words are a prediction of that honour which the church in all ages should pay to the Blessed Virgin. Let Protestants examine whether they are any way concerned in this prophecy.

Pray the Rosary.

https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/rosary.pdf

>>822329

>it is a fallen world

No wonder the catholic church has, and squanders so much money.

>>825503

>For the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son all nations were blessed through his seed.

The bible only describes Abraham returning from the mountain, when it clearly describes Isaac and Abraham ascending. Isaac was sacrificed. The son of the King of Moab was sacrificed, in 2 Kings 3:27. Even Jesus was sacrificed.

God loves human blood sacrifice, it is also the only magic capable of defeating his armies (see second kings).

Spoiler alert: It doesn't

>>825479

>Prayer =/= worship

>To pray literally means to ask. If asking someone to pray for you is worshipping someone than never ask anyone to pray for you ever again out of fear of worship.

Now here you are totally wrong. What is worship if not praying? If you pray to anyone else than God you are having other gods before Him. Praying for someone to God is good. Praying for someone doesn't mean praying TO that person. It means praying to God and asking about someone else. Praying to Mary is a Sin. She is not God. And she cannot hear all the prayers because she is not omnipresent. This is pure satanic heresy.

>>826656

She is the Queen of Heaven and co-redemptrix. She hears the Rosary. Deal with it, heathen.

>>825479

If you actually looked at the actual passage (1 Kings 2:13-25) you seem to be thinking about, you'd see that in it Adoniah asks Batsheba to ask Solomon for a favor with the expectation that of course Solomon would agree when it's his mother asking, but instead Solomon refuses the request and has Adoniah killed for asking. Catholics somehow use this passage to justify praying to Mary with the expectation that Jesus can't refuse a request that comes through her, which shows that Catholics should start actually reading the Bible instead of repeating what other people have said about the Bible while never bothering to check what the Bible actually says.

By the way, David's mother isn't even named in the Bible and what little is told of her only reveals that she was alive well into her son's reign. The institution of a queen mother seems to have pagan origin.

>>826661

>She is the Queen of Heaven and co-redemptrix. She hears the Rosary. Deal with it, heathen.

Need a Bible quote for that. Heretic!

>>826662

>But Isaac is mentioned after that event so that theory is quite random.

Yeah, but its weak and most likely it has been added later on to cover up Abraham killing his own son.

It's a good article

https://www.timesofisrael.com/when-abraham-murdered-isaac/

>>826669

Why? I already know your responses:

>that's not what that means! only I know what it means!

>that's not in my version!

>that's only on X day at X time!

>lol u a jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

I'm not going to bother. You can look it up yourself. Mary, mother of God, is Queen of Heaven and co-Redemptrix. You better believe it or perish forever.

>>826671

>that's not in my version!

That is not in any version. That is simply not there.

>Mary, mother of God, is Queen of Heaven and co-Redemptrix. You better believe it or perish forever.

Eat shit satanic turd. You will perish for your blasphemy. Mary will not redeem anyone because the only redeemer is Jesus Christ you disgusting PIG! Jesus had no mother, only a Father you devil! Stop lying. But i guess you can't because you are of your father the liar and all you can do is lie. You will get rekt in the day of judgment for your idolatry.

>>826672

All you can do is spit and curse and gnash your teeth. You've already lost. Repent, pray the Rosary, and return to the church Christ built.

>>826674

Mary was just a human. Nothing more. Rosary is vain repetition.

Matthew 6:7

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

You are a heathen, and so is your cult of mary.

>>826675

By your logic, the "Our Father" would be "vain repetition" since we are commanded to pray without ceasing. Are you a troll from /islam/?

It's Church tradition mostly, but it is in the Bible. Oddly, the Bible itself doesn't mean a thing to the Protestants, because they have their own tradition.

The Angelic Salutation, aka "Hail Mary", the first part of this prayer is straight out of the Bible. Luke 1:28, Luke 1:42.

And the word "Hail" was reserved for royalty, i.e. the Queen of Heaven.

Protestants don't give a rip.They don't care that the Bible was written by the same folks that WROTE the Bible. I think they keep repeating the same thing over and over as if they didn't hear our answers just to be antagonistic and get a rise out of Catholics. Thus, there is no point to discussion.

Where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the only source of Christian dogma and authority?

Incels.

>>826682

Nice cope, fagan, but no.

If anything, sexually continent and religious Christians who lie outside of the realm of married life are the best example of volcemdom that is out there.

While we're on the topic of off-topic trolls invading /christian/ with their instinctively repulsive and subhuman garbage

>>826675

>a heathen

I don't think that word means quite what you do, good sir. If I were you, I would just be grateful that the Mother of Christ did not take such a glib approach to Divine activity when the indwelling of the Holy Spirit was announced unto her by the angel of God, Gabriel! ┐( ´ д ` )┌

>>826683

>religious

*religiously observant

>>826683

>Mother of Christ

She was just a human. Not a God. And the Holy Spirit has indwelled many people, before her and after her. She was just a mother of his physical body. Not of His spirit.

All you Catholicucks lack the knowledge of history. You would know that Mary is nothing else but a pagan goddess Semiramis, dressed in Christian clothes. An abomination. Catholics are perverse pagans larping as Christians.

MARY IS NOT WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CLAIMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq0Muvrnwtw

Debunking of Mary worship. Blasphemous catholicucks describe mary as God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DLgllRwNCk

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SLAY THE HERETICS WITH THE WORD OF GOD

>>826687

>All you Catholicucks lack the knowledge of history. You would know that Mary is nothing else but a pagan goddess Semiramis

She is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God.

Therefore during history all Christians universally recognized that Mary is the Theotokos.

Let aside that obvious blasphemy if we follow your logic that if Mary is a pagan Goddess then that would mean that Christianity was born of paganism. Is that the seed Jews wanted to plant with the "reformation"?

>>826690

Mary is not important in Christian theology. She is just a vessel, a human chosen to facilitate the physical incarnation of Jesus Christ. Jesus is God, which is Spirit who incarnated in flesh. Mary didn't create Jesus, because Jesus has no beginning nor end, because He is eternal. There is no Mother Goddess in Christianity. There is only The Father, and only the Father is King over Heave and Earth. And salvation is only through Jesus Christ, and the Kingdom of God will come only through Jesus Christ. Mary was a mortal human being, chosen by God to serve a purpose. Nothing more. She might be a noble person and a saint, sure. But she was not sinless, because the only sinless human being was Jesus Christ.

>Mary is a pagan Goddess then that would mean that Christianity was born of paganism.

No, that would mean only that Roman Catholic Church was born from paganism, which is actual a historical fact. The source of Christianity is Jesus Christ which is transmitted by the Holy Spirit and His Word in the Bible.

The Roman Catholic Church is paganism mixed with Christianity.

>>826691

Jesus is fully God

therefore Mary is the Mother of God, there is no going around that.

The semantics do not imply that Mary created Jesus or that she is a Mother Goddess, all of that are meaningless objections to distract from the heretical statement that Mary were not the Mother of God.

Mary is sinless. The Bible clearly teaches it in Luke 1,28.

>No, that would mean only that Roman Catholic Church was born from paganism, which is actual a historical fact.

Catholicism is the faith of the apostles, the faith outside of which there is no salvation.

That you heretic and blasphemer want to say that it were pagan, with your extremely pagan and antichristian blasphemous statement that Jesus was born of a pagan Goddess, or that the orthodox position which we have from the apostles stems from any sort of pagan belief only shows that you are on the road to gehenna

>>826691

>Mary is not important in Christian theology.

Mary is unimportant in the nonchristian theology of the protestants, but in actual christian theology, she is the theotokos, sinless, assumed into heaven and so forth…

>>826692

Sure, Mary was a biological mother of Jesus, but not an actual one. Jesus was above her, because He is God, and she is not. LULZ Mary has no power. Praying to her is idolatry.

>Catholicism is the faith of the apostles,

Roman Catholicism wasn't.

>the faith outside of which there is no salvation.

Salvation is by God, not by belonging or not to an organization.

>that Jesus was born of a pagan Goddess

No, Jesus was born of Mary, which you turn into pagan goddess by your false theology.

>but in actual christian theology

You mean in Roman Catholic theology. Don't call yourself Christian. For Christians have ONLY Christ as their savior, and not some blasphemous female goddess Semiramis which you call Mary.

What position did Mary hold to the earliest christians and the church? Did their Queen lead and teach them much?

>>826692

>therefore Mary is the Mother of God, there is no going around that.

20 And he was told, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you.” 21 But he said to them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.”

>>826695

>Mary has no power.

No sorry, I have to correct myself. Semiramis has some power, just like Satan. He also has great power, but none of them have greater power than the Trinity. Mary is not in the Trinity, nor is Mary/Semiramis.

Just stop. Since people can read the Word of God your indoctrination has been debunked countless times. Only people who didn't read the Word will actually buy this horse shit of Mary the Queen of Earth and Heaven. Or that She brings salvation and will defeat Satan. Its just a LIE. The Word of God will prevail against your false doctrines of man!

>What position did Mary hold to the earliest christians and the church?

None, and if she did it was a sin, because women should be in silence and never preach, nor have ANY authority over man.

>>826699

>>826697

>Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen. When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own. Afterwards, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said: I thirst.

Behold thy mother, the mother who you call pagan Goddess.

The mother who hears the word of God and does it. (luke 1,38)

You say you read the word of God, but I can only see that you read that which the protestants read. When the apostles heard the word and spread it, they created the Catholic Church and wrote the Bible. When the reformators read the Bible, they did not have the inspiration the Apostles had. They did not understood it. They deceived people. And now they try to retroactively legitimize their false religion by making up pagan influence in the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, you say it comes from Babylonian mystery cults or Roman paganism. But you will always fall short since we already both know that it is just in your imagination.

>>826700

>When the apostles heard the word and spread it, they created the Catholic Church

Which was not lead by their Queen. In fact the Queen of Heaven and Earth herself would've been subservient to her husband Joseph in everything, not given any authority over men, not been allowed to teach, and not been allowed to speak in church, according to the bible.

>>826700

Semiramis and Tammuz in Roman Catholic Church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7OUMewvbw

You mister, lack the knowledge of History about the Roman church.

>>826706

Praying to mary is a sin. Nowhere in the word of God it says you shall pray to mary. Its a man made tradition. Jesus clearly speaks against following traditions instead the Word of God.

>>826753

Thinking that asking those in heaven to pray on your behalf is a damnable sin could just as easily be seen as a superstitious tradition. Where in the Bible does it say that speaking to those in heaven is forbidden, prot?

>>826754

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

Only one. You cannot talk with the dead, and you shall pray only to God.

Mary is not God.

>>826753

Jesus is the Word of God.

The Bible was put together 300 years after Christ ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.

The same people who put it together, passed on the Veneration of Mary, the Queen of heaven.

Deal with it. The Old Roman Catholic Church (before the Great Modernist Heresy) is God's One True Church.

>>826762

>The same people who put it together, passed on the Veneration of Mary, the Queen of heaven.

Oh yeah, and I wonder why they didn't include it in the scripture if it was something they believed. Because it was never a thing u faggot.

>The Old Roman Catholic Church (before the Great Modernist Heresy) is God's One True Church.

No. You deal with it that Mary worship is pagan and comes from Rome, and has nothing to do with Catholic Church. Roman part is the pagan part. All Roman Catholics are following pagan man made traditions mixed with Christianity. Mary worship is pagan.

>>826761

And here there's plenty of quotes by the church fathers on intercession:

https://www.churchfathers.org/intercession-of-the-saints

What modern day Christianity do they resemble?

>>826763

Bible says Jesus Christ established a church, not a book. And that Church was established on Saint Peter.

The Bible itself does speak of the written word and verbal tradition.

So, you're wrong.

What's more, for just over 1900 years, it was God's church. I don't care that you don't like it, or think its wrong, or that you lie to yourself because you want to sin. God gave it to us, told us to believe it, and if you don't you are disobeying the Lord God.

>>826769

Bible is the word of God. Mary veneration is pagan. Not in the Bible. If you had a minor knowledge of pagan beliefs in Rome before Christianity, you would know what elements are pagan. But clearly you are an ignorant faggot. All the praying to countless saints is also pagan. The Roman pagans had also gods/saints for everything. After Rome became Christian, they morphed old pantheon into saints, and Semiramis into Mary veneration. Now winnie the pooh off, you are in the wrong and facts of history are on my side.

>>826797

you can always try to bring up the roman paganism you firmly believe in, but that does not change the matter.

the bible will continue to teach saint veneration, intercession of saints, marian veneration, immaculate conception and so forth regardless how often you bring up semiramis

the semiramis that has gotten your mind and sould on a full stranglehold is not an argument that will change the core bible teachings in favor of radical protestantism or any other heresy you hold to.

>>826797

>Bible is the word of God.

Jesus is the word of God.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing over and over and not make a rational rebuttal? Nothing you said is relevant or it's been said before and replied to.

>>826661

>co-redemptrix

You're wrong, and need to correct your position.

Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, Sess. 25, On Invocation, Veneration and Relics of Saints, and on Sacred Images, ex cathedra: “… the saints, who reign with Christ, offer up their prayers to God for men; and that it is good and useful to invoke them suppliantly and, in order to obtain favors from God through His Son JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, WHO ALONE IS OUR REDEEMER and Savior… And they must also teach that images of Christ, the virgin mother of God and the other saints should be set up and kept… But if anyone should teach or maintain anything contrary to these decrees, let him be anathema.” (Denz. 984)

>>826675

>Rosary is vain repetition

No, it isn't.

>>822133

As a prot I pray directly to Jesus, but I will now keep Mary in my heart and prayers. Thank you for this.

>>822105

It doesn't but if you read the New Testament it is evident that she has an individual character which expresses the highest values of the Christian faith. Hence she is worthy of veneration, and not worship but nice strawmanning.

>The Magnificat

>Following Him everywhere

>Ponders Him in her heart

>Follows Him to the cross

>>828129

The issue is that half of Protestants are Calvinists. You'll have to address that first, before mentioning any of this. Appealing to values means very little. There's no respect for saints - or even their own faith. Even faith itself is seen as just some mechanistic outcome streaming from Predestination, where the will plays zero part. It's humility turned on it's head into the most dour expression of religion possible.

Those Protestants who don't hold to any of this will and do already see Mary as the exemplar she is.

>>828137

>There's no respect for saints - or even their own faith. Even faith itself is seen as just some mechanistic outcome streaming from Predestination, where the will plays zero part.

"If you don't agree with me then you hate history and the saints"

I'm no calvinist but let's be fair. They tend to study church history more than the rest of us, and they don't object to the will; they view the will as caused to turn to God without compromising freedom. I don't agree with the argument but don't strawman it.

Also, I'm not sure it's right to say half of Protestants are calvinist. Calvinism comes and goes in christian history.

Anyway don't try to oversimplify things like this and speak as if you see the mind of your opponent. It's a juvenile argumentation tactic.

>>822105

Mary is symbolic of Lady Wisdom who (a creation of God) was with God in the beginning of creation. Wisdom births Logic. Mary birthed Jesus (The Logos.) I know someone is going to get triggered and call me a pagan but God uses physical reality to symbolize spiritual reality all the time.

>>828143

>Lady Wisdom who (a creation of God) was with God in the beginning of creation.

Book, chapter, and verse please

>call me a pagan

If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck

>>828143

Only the idea of Mary was present from the beginning, starting in genesis, the woman whose seed has enmity with the devil. And then throughout the AT by typology. But Mary herself no.

>>827559

If you liked that check this video, it goes into detail on that subject.

It also has some theology you wont agree with but its still worth for knowledge of Mary's sufferings.

>>828143

>I know someone is going to get triggered and call me a pagan

That’s because what you said is utterly pagan

>>828144

Learn to use google so you don't have to ask stupid questions.

>“Now with you is Wisdom, who knows your works and was present when you made the world; Who understands what is pleasing in your eyes and what is conformable with your commands.”

‭‭Wisdom‬ ‭9:9‬ ‭

>>828177

"Wisdom" is not a canonical book of the bible

>>828179

CHRISTIAN BOOK LIBRARY

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/x25snerfw26aj/CHRISTIAN_BOOK_LIBRARY

>>828179

No, your cosmic mythology about strange gods like “Lady Wisdom” is pagan

>>828192

She's an actual spirit mentioned in the Bible, not a pagan goddess.

>>828186

Based and bookpilled.

>>828197

>She's an actual spirit mentioned in the Bible

No.

>>828143

Mary is not "Wisdom". Be it from a strictly biblical sense or a Hellenistic sense. She's a humble human being from Nazareth. The worst thing you can do is take away someone's humanity. Especially hers. She's not a "symbol". She's an actual person. Honor her that way first. And give thanks to God for choosing a human instead of something so abstract. Lofty and remote abstracts will not help you.

>>828203

What a stupid comment. Calling Jesus the Logos doesn't subtract from his humanity.

>>828204

>Calling Jesus the Logos doesn't subtract from his humanity.

Jesus is ‘’’God’’’

>>828205

Yes, and the fact he's fully God and the Logos doesn't change the fact he's also fully human.

>>828216

Ok so I see your point, you’re saying just because Mary is a goddess doesn’t impugn her humanity

>>828204

The Logos made Flesh is what saves you. Jesus was given his name in human form for a specific reason: Jesus - YHVH saves. He saves us from our sins. We are hopeless without the blood and humanity of Christ.

You're obviously immersed in Gnosticism - which doesn't care one bit about the blood of Christ, and even tried to deny his death completely (just like Islam does). Get away from it: It's Satanic. Satan knows he can't convince the world that Christ deserves their attention. But he'll try to detract you by just focusing on abstracts, puffing up your pride with "mystical understanding", and getting you to ignore the Cross. How we perceive his mother also ties into this.

>For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. - 1 Cor 2:2

>>828219

>Satan knows he can't convince the world that Christ deserves their attention

*doesn't deserve*, I mean

>>826656

I pray to you, pass me the salt

whoops it looks like words don't have as narrow a meaning as you might have thought

>>828282

Your sentence is 1. wrong (it should be ‘pray you’ not ‘pray to you’) and 2. archaic

>>828282

>>828293

Also, even if you were completely grammatically correct and up to date, this is an equivocation, since the topic is clearly religious prayer which is a very specific thing