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Who needs differential equations? Learn a trade.

>>820366

Scientists who want to get us to other planets maybe?

>>820366

I like math and find it useful, I plan to be a software engineer but would study it even if I was retired.

Koine Greek, Latin, biblical Hebrew

An honest trade

Being charitable and forgiving

Some form of self defense

>>820503

>biblical Hebrew

The septuagint is in Koine so this isn't really necessary tbh

>Being charitable and forgiving

What do you do to improve this skill?

>>820510

Man, it's tough. Follow Jesus's example. But that response is cowardly on my part.

Really it's probably a lifelong struggle. Be patient with atheists and idiots and others, but don't be meek if it means denying your faith our not protecting your family and home. When you have the urge to be upset or impatient, suffer the trial with humility.

It's hard, man. Especially without falling into effeminate behavior or cowardice. Because that's not the spirit of humility either.

I think it helps to read some atheist posts on plebbit sometimes, because it never fails to make me angry. It helps me try to confront my anger and indignation - but it's still a struggle. I often feel like I wish I could kick all these people into the sun and that's not exactly charitable.

>>820317

After learning Classical Latin, be sure to learn Classical Greek. The Near Eastern languages are a bonus. The biggest thing you can do is to not get bogged down in courses and just read a concise grammar and start reading. The Latin Vulgate is great since it's probably the easiest proper Latin you'll ever read. Also, by learning the Classical forms of each language, the later forms will quickly fall in place and you'll be able to better deal with the intricacies of each. If you have any questions about it, just ask.

>>820519

Yeah I'd actually rather learn classical Greek but Latin seems easier to start and I want to be able to teach both to my children anyway.

>The biggest thing you can do is to not get bogged down in courses and just read a concise grammar and start reading.

I'm starting with Lingua Latina per se Illustratum and supplementing it with an old grammar book or two. Then I'll read whatever I can at that skill level

>If you have any questions about it, just ask.

Actually yes, what resources would you recommend to learn Greek? I like the natural approach LL uses for Latin.

>>820317

Gardening/farming.

>>820520

You should definitely learn Latin before Greek.

>lingua latina

There is a difference between how one approaches an ancient language and a modern language. The direct method may work very well for modern languages, but I'm not convinced it works so well for ancient languages. The strength of the direct method comes from listening. The brain learns language by listening. You can't do that with ancient languages. The only real input you're going to get is vocalizing what you're reading. Luckily, reading is how we learn most of what we know. We retain much more information from our reading than we do from our listening. I'm not going to say Lingua Latina is bad, because it's not. It's designed to build reading fluency. The best thing you can do, I believe, is to read a lot. And by a lot, I do mean a lot. I'd recommend reading through Bennett's New Latin Grammar, and whatever other grammars strike your fancy.

>what resources would you recommend to learn Greek?

As for a grammar, there's nothing better than Smyth. As for the natural approach, there's nothing comprehensive in Greek. Greek resources are even worse than Latin. Unfortunately, college programs are bad nowadays, too. If you insist on a full direct approach course, Athenaze approximates that, but is really a grammar-translation course. There are some smaller volumes you can find online that are like Lingua Latina. Check the textkit forums. For both Greek and Latin, I suggest just grabbing a text that's hard, but not too hard, and sitting down and grinding through it. Read, don't translate.

>>820317

Gardening and wood-working.

>>820531

I wish I had an opportunity to learn woodworking. My grandfather was (still is) a master woodworker but he lives 10 hours away and I've never been close with him.

>>820537

Do you have a decent tablet or a TV that can show Youtube? You can set that up in your shop and learn that way. Not quite the same as learning from your grandpa, though.

>>820547

>You can set that up in your shop

Lol, I'm a college dorm student, maybe once I get my own place. It's the same thing that keeps me from gardening but I still do hydroponics and am starting to raise carnivorous plants.

Anyone know any natural approach books for Russian, German, French?

Pick three skills and integrate them with your community. If you do the second part right then you'll have everything you need and most of what you want.

Skill 1: something to make honest money, that you can keep applying in your off time as long as you're fit and sober. In other words, a trade.

Skill 2: something to make useful things you desire as a hobby, like woodworking. Some projects to keep, some to gift, some to sell for side money, some to give to the needy.

Skill 3: something to help make people happy or help you connect with them better, like music or languages. Something that helps you stand out as a person who builds meaningful skills instead of only amusing yourself with all your idle time.

If twenty people did this in a group, they could provide for two hundred children between them while also making themselves happy every day.

Cooking, gardening, sewing, cleaning; any homemaking skills are useful in their own rights. Language and communication arts are for spreading the gospel and peacemaking; instead of being an obnoxious nuisance like some overzealous door-to-doors or street preachers, be charismatic like our Lord, we are to be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents. First aid skills should the need arise, you will have the power to save someones life.

>>820366

Mathematics and physics are useful if you wish to make your own architectural design to build your own house or make one for others, make a watermill, or any home DIY projects.

>>820317

I know of a ROCOR priest who earns his bread from being an electrician, it has given a certain independence from the heirarchy and their dubious ecclestiatical matters.

>>820366

Seriously? If you want to take said "trade" beyond the monkey level you need at least a basic understanding of Math. Obviously don't sacrifice practical skills, but still

>>820317

>>820519

I took some Latin and Greek in high school and I'm planning on going back to studying them too (especially the New Testament in Greek). There's some great tools to study ancient texts online such as http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/ that allows you to click on every word to get semantic and syntactic information on it.