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>inb4 indulgences

The power of indulgences are given to Peter, because he was given the power to loose on earth/heaven.

>>813532

I'm a protestant and I've always said that if a Catholic dies before going to confession will be go to hell? Like, what if he died on the way.

Also, learn what sola fide is.

My protestant denom said that if you died while driving to church to get baptized you would go to hell

>>813544

The Catholic Church does not proclaim what happens to a person when the soul leaves the body, unless they're able to go to Heaven. There are extraordinary methods of salvation (ie, the person is able to make a perfect Act of Contrition, or is given some sort of grace before dying).

>>813544

If he were in a state of mortal sin, then yes he would go straight to hell.

>>813546

boy do we got news for you! Want salvation? Have faith in Christ and you're good bro!

>>813548

A Catholic in a state of mortal sin who is on his way to confession does not go to hell. He clearly had the intention to confess, but was unable to make it.

>>813545

I thought you said Protestant demon, and I was like there are demons that are Protestant? Then I realized yeah they probably are Protestants

>>813579

No this is false. Without perfect contrition, which is almost impossible, they will go to hell

>>813581

I think you might be confusing Catholics with Calvinists.

>>813745

>Protestants and so on can also receive perfect contrition

No they can't (unless they have perfect contrition for their heresy). Unless a Protestant joins the Catholic Church they infallibly go to hell. This is Ex Cathedra per the council of Florence.

>>813750

It's already in the Code of Canon prots born into their denominations are not formally guilty of heresy, hence they also cannot be guilty of mortal sin as it requires deliberation as many possess invisible ignorance.

>>813745

Ok, so, if a Catholic is truly repentant and is literally on his way to confession, but gets hit by a bus and dies before he gets there, he's going to hell? Because that's what is being said here.

>>814000

I don't think invincible ignorance really applies to anyone with internet access.

>>814006

That anon is being an idiot.

An individual who is in a state of mortal sin who is truly repentant of the sins they have committed and intends to go to confession the next opportunity they can to confess said sins. Will not get a one way ticket to hell for the state of mortal sin when he gets hit by a bus on the way to confession.

>>814006

Is there such a thing as "Confessio flaminis" ? I don't see this being discussed as often as non baptized people in danger of death when it's a big deal all the same.

Also is there a canonical way to confess sin outside of the church?

>>814020

Depends on how and what you use it for. It took me awhile to convert into the Catholic faith when I started to pay more attention to theology and blow away the myths touted.

>>813580

Insert catholic circlejerk laughter here

>>814432

nya nya nyaha! - catlick

>>814006

>>814023

He won't be damned if he repented out of love of God (love of God due to his perfect goodness certainly suffices, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on whether love of gratituden suffices) and hatred of having offended Him (which may be joined with other motives, e.g. fear of Hell, but it must be present).

It's ultimately a simple concept, but have a slightly more detailed explanation to avoid confusion from the very good and detailed source that is Catholic Encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04337a.htm

And also this:

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=35519

>>813532

Seems kinda retarded that if you sin and die within 24 hours of confession Christ's sacrifice isn't sufficient to cleanse you of it without you going back to confession.

>>815876

The fact you committed a mortal sin, knowing it was a sin actively while doing it, and rejected Christ as such, is the reason you don't go to Heaven.

>>813581

It's amazing how tenuous salvation is to Catholics. Almost like Jesus died for nothing at all.

This gets so tiresome.

Same lies about Catholics over and over.

Take time to explain it.

Same lies told again the next day.

>>826853

By all means, feel free to be as sinful as you want while telling yourself, “It’s ok, I declared myself born again.” See how it turns out.

>>813532

>wow Catholics believe that If someone dies right after they go to confession they go straight to heaven no questions asked, that's so stupid!

literally never heard that in my entire life, but if you mean they can go to heaven without being saved then no

>>826898

Baptism is a prerequisite for Reconciliation, so everyone who takes confession would already be saved.

>>826898

If you're out of confession and do the penance, yes, die then and you go straight to heaven.

If you're just out of confession and didn't do the penance, purgatory.

If you don't do confession, you go to hell for all the actual mortal sins you've done since baptism removed your original sin.

It's much harder to be a Catholic than a protestant. We don't believe that "Jesus Jesus" is the password, we have to actually love our Lord and shun sin.

Do you know why People go to jerusalem OP?

>>813532

ITT people on the same side fighting with each other.

Good Goys

>>826978

>think they can sin all day as long as they confess to a man (who cannot forgive sins)

<And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

>think men can forgive sins instead of only God

<But some of the scribes were sitting there and thinking in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like this? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

You sound just like a Pharisees.

>praise a man who wears a Dagon fish-hat

<[James, on people who judge according to clothing:] Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

<Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

>still remain in a church that has historically been the leading persecutor of real Christians who worship God and not the pope

"Real Christians"

>over 85% of their practices are pagan in origin

>claim paganism is sanctified by adoption

<And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

<One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

<For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

<I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

<Let not then your good be evil spoken of: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

For anyone who has actually read the Bible, this is a no-brainer. You're like the Pharisees who would deny the Gentiles as pagans, though the Gentiles are more faithful than yourself. Every moral practice is acceptable, no matter the ritual, tradition, or rite, so long as it is done for the glory of God. Ask yourself what would be better: a bunch of pagans still practicing pagan customs oriented towards strange gods and demons? Or a bunch of Christian converts practicing similar-to-pagan customs because it is more familiar, but oriented towards Christ?

>praise a man who is okay with abortion/infanticide (he even gave an award to an abortion activist)

>praise a man who is okay with globohomo

>praise a man who claims Jesus Christ isn't needed for salvation

>still remain in a church full of child-rapists and homosexual priests (98% of vatican priests are homos) and which protects them and hides their scandals

Most Catholics aren't happy about the Pope or corruption in the clergy. Just remember that we were warned wolves would be in the flock. Just because there are wolves, doesn't mean the flock is wrong. And Jesus hand-selected a team of cowards, deniers, doubters, betrayers, and murderers as His apostles. A corrupt clergy has been around since year 1.

>>827029

THIS. I hate this global chan mental illness of attacking people who agree with you.

>>826934

>If you're out of confession and do the penance, yes, die then and you go straight to heaven.

Depends on what you mean by "penance." Your sin is forgiven but you still caused disruption to God's Plan and so justice demands making up for the sin. Moreover, if you have imperfections in your soul you still have to pass through purgatory (albeit at a higher level) to rid yourself of them before you can enter into the Beatific Vision.

>>827036

> And Jesus hand-selected a team of cowards, deniers, doubters, betrayers, and murderers as His apostles.

They were none of these after Pentecost. Jesus only lost one disciple. The modern clergy you're equating these great men and women to have known what the Lord demands far longer - they just don't care. Peter and the Apostles were babes, in comparison. They had followed Jesus for only a couple of years, and were completely transformed.