8e17b4 No.741637
>When Maison Hullibarger died by suicide on Dec. 4, his parents — devout Catholics — began planning a funeral that would celebrate their 18-year-old son’s life.
>“We wanted him to celebrate how Maison lived," Linda Hullibarger told the Detroit Free Press, "not how he died.”
>Instead, during the funeral at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Catholic Church, the Hullibargers listened from the pews as the priest spoke the word “suicide” six times. He told mourners, local media reported, that Maison may be denied admittance to heaven because of the way he died. LaCuesta wondered aloud, the Hullibargers said, if Maison had repented enough in the eyes of God.
>“He basically called our son a sinner,” Linda told the Toledo Blade.
>But LaCuesta kept going, the Hullibargers recounted in local news reports. When the service finally ended, they told the priest he was no longer welcome at Maison’s gravesite burial — where the teen’s family and friends decided to say everything LaCuesta hadn’t.
>Now, the Hullibargers are calling for the priest’s removal, and generating enough discussion to warrant an apology from the Archdiocese of Detroit. In a statement to The Washington Post, archdiocese spokeswoman Holly Fournier said “an unbearable situation was made even more difficult, and we are sorry.”
>LaCuesta will not be preaching at funerals “for the foreseeable future,” Fournier said, and he will have his other homilies reviewed by a priest mentor.
>For centuries, the Catholic Church has struggled with the religious implications, and societal stigma, of suicide. It wasn’t until the 1960s that the church began taking a more benign approach to suicide, allowing parishioners who had taken their own lives to receive a Catholic funeral and be buried on sacred ground in Catholic cemeteries. In the 1990s, Pope John Paul II approved the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which acknowledged — for the first time — that many people who die by suicide also suffer from mental illness.
>“Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide,” the catechism states. “We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance.”
>Though it has been decades since the church adopted a more compassionate view of suicide, there remains a disconnect between some outlier priests and their parishes. The Rev. Charles T. Rubey said he has seen it within the Archdiocese of Chicago and during his 40 years as director and founder of the LOSS program, Loving Outreach to Survivors of Suicide.
>“There are still some priests who view suicide as a mortal sin,” Rubey said. “That has been categorically denied by church leadership."
>Jeffrey Hullibarger told the Detroit Free Press that he feels removing LaCuesta is the only way to prevent the compounded grief at Maison’s funeral from happening to another family.
>“We’re afraid that, like the Catholic church does, they’ll send him off and he’ll do it to somebody else," Hullibarger told the newspaper.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2018/12/15/father-please-stop-parents-horrified-after-priest-used-teens-funeral-condemn-suicide/
b734fa No.741640
Why did the kid even get a Catholic funeral? Is that normal in Catholicism? People who kill themselves in Orthodoxy do not get a funeral, I thought Catholics did the same thing.
Either way what the priest did was good and it is a grave offense that his diocese is punishing him rather than recognising him as a true pastor of Christ's flock.
2f3cbf No.741648
suicide is worse than murder
87c313 No.741650
>>741640
You get the funeral in Orthodoxy too, they don't get the rites. Unless you m an rites by funeral.
01f8aa No.741653
>Omg why didn't the priest just lie to us?
cbb25e No.741655
>Though it has been decades since the church adopted a more compassionate view of suicide
2f3cbf No.741656
>>741655
lefties are hijacking terms like "compassionate" and twisting their meaning
2c3758 No.741657
>>741640
Nevertheless, since there was a funeral the priest could be more discreet and not make assumptions if the boy is in heaven or not. That's not his job to decide. The parents of the other hand, since they are devout Catholics, should expect something along the lines and not freak out so much.
>t. also Orthodox who didn't knew that Catholics are doing funerals to people who've killed themselves.
>>741650
Not a religious funeral but a civic one, like atheists or people who are burned after death and not buried.
d4ed79 No.741659
>>741657
>Nevertheless, since there was a funeral the priest could be more discreet and not make assumptions if the boy is in heaven or not. That's not his job to decide. The parents of the other hand, since they are devout Catholics, should expect something along the lines and not freak out so much.
Agreed. In their current state of mourning and being traumatized by not only their son's death, but the circumstances and timing of his death (right before Christmas,) it's understandable that they are not going to exactly be receptive to a priest publicly saying "Your son dun goofed and there's a good chance he's in Hell right now."
7e9c28 No.741662
I feel bad for the parents, and I agree that the priest might have handled the circumstances with a bit more tact, but I find it hard to blame him, given that he is right. Also, it’s generally Catholic practice not to give funerals to those who die by suicide. I’ve heard of some kind of service for them, but I thought it was understood that the full, proper funeral rites are not given to suicide deaths. So this is a strange circumstance indeed.
8429f2 No.741718
>“He basically called our son a sinner,” Linda told the Toledo Blade.
And what do you think you are?
625a9e No.741728
>>741637
>LaCuesta wondered aloud, the Hullibargers said, if Maison had repented enough in the eyes of God
Works salvation
42c599 No.741729
And the edgy shill trolls apishly defend some stupid act yet again. That being said the article comes from a known sensationalist source too.
If true I think most people in any age would have probably agreed that it would have been more decent to save such censure for another moment. Which is why the responsible administrators who actually hold the job unlike those defending it made the appropriate decision.
Again assuming it is as the article states, the priest probably has a huge superiority complex. But what can be done? The planet inhabited by billions of people, and of retards there is probably more than one.
Flow of angry trollish screeching incoming.
cbb58f No.741731
>>741729
Pretty much this, doesn't matter if he is probably in hell, especially in his position he should have some tact. Guy is straight retarded if the stories facts are straight.
124fd7 No.741795
Good. They shouldn't have had a catholic funeral in the first place. These types of stories always bring out these types of "devout" Catholics. They want all the trimmings to show how great they are but the second even a small amount of actual Catholicism reaches their ears they screech like demons. You wanted to celebrate how he lived and not how he died? Congratulations, he died the same way he lived. A sinner.
It's to little that our eternal resting spots is are candy coated for the weak willed and it should be called into question at all funerals. I will make sure that at mine I will have it brought up that I was a sinner and by the grace of God I'll be lucky enough to land in the bottom most part of purgatory, hoping hell fire doesn't scorch my backside to much.
8bfb95 No.741800
>>741795
>Congratulations, he died the same way he lived. A sinner.
And what do you think you are?
124fd7 No.741806
>>741800
A sinner. Did you not read the rest of the post or did you get so butt mad that you had to post what you thought was a witty and deep post of yours.
b3f484 No.741811
>>741806
Prime example of pride and anger.
124fd7 No.741813
>>741811
Prime example of a lack of reading comprehension.
b3f484 No.741815
>>741813
I recommend that you go to your priest for confession. You have a lot of anger in you.
124fd7 No.741821
>>741815
I'm "angry" in the same way the poor priest in article is "mean". They are just buzzwords used by the weak willed to get their way. The families hurt feelings doesn't change what their son did, and neither does yours change he the fact you can't read what I wrote.
b3f484 No.741827
>>741821
Go and show what you wrote to your priest. He will tell you that you are infact angry and prideful.
8bfb95 No.741828
>>741806
>not read the rest of the post
This one. Sorry.
124fd7 No.741836
>>741827
So God bestowed you mind reading powers to tell what my priest thinks.
If saying
>I was a sinner and by the grace of God I'll be lucky enough to land in the bottom most part of purgatory, hoping hell fire doesn't scorch my backside to much.
is prideful to you I'm glad I'm not taking any advice from you.
b3f484 No.741837
>>741836
So you refuse to show this to him?
124fd7 No.741843
>>741837
I wouldn't mind a bit. Just because your feelings were hurt doesn't mean someone else sinned. Which is also a good lesson for the family in the article. Maybe you should be more prudent and read better before you start jumping to unsupported usumptions.
a95bd5 No.741847
d9668f No.741873
>>741847
He is, but now his whole life will be ruined like the priest who refused a lesbian Buddhist communion. Good priests are always thrown under the bus.
8bfb95 No.741945
>>741873
Thought you were joking. Welperino.
8bfb95 No.741946
012c9b No.741960
>>741640
Here's the relevant part of the catechism:
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law. Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
2c3c94 No.741970
>>741637
>He basically called our son a sinner
WOMP
O
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635d6f No.742030
>>741637
>devout Catholics
>"He basically called our son a sinner"
>failing to understand sinners before a Holy God theology
gee … why is anyone surprised …
>“There are still some priests who view suicide as a mortal sin,”
I thought it WAS still viewed as such.
It is on /cathodox/ er, I mean, /christian/
ffb898 No.742199
If anyone needed to know what kind of flowery and saccharine type of funeral people like these expect, read the comments on the families GoFundMe.
https://www.gofundme.com/maison-hullibarger-funeral-costs
I'll boil it down to anyone that doesn't want to bother. Mostly its "it doesn't matter what my family member did, if they aren't in heaven then Gods mean".
The balls on these people to demand he be removed.
45014c No.742241
>>741656
Yes, compassion means moral relativistic.
6d7d8e No.742389
2d8c68 No.742476
>>742199
>To support the family and friends of this young man, who nobody should judge.
> hope that you take whatever extra money is available to help you and your children navigate this heartbreaking tragedy.
>This child of God is in heaven. There is only one unpardonable sin and it is not suicide.
>Your son went to heaven. He is being comforted right now in eternity. I am sure of it. It's wrong to think a loving God would crush such a desperately unhappy young person by casting them off anywhere unpleasant as punishment for whatever depression was haunting him.
>Our 24 yr old son died by suicide and we know he is in heaven.
fricking retarded normies. yes, everyone is in heaven. so yeah, don't try to be a good person or be obedient to God or anything, because everyone winds up in heaven anyway. hell, we all might as well kill ourselves to get there sooner!
26fef6 No.742684
Why does this not surprise me. I bet if the son was gay and died from AIDS or even a bad run in with the wrong hookup, and Fr. LaCuesta had called him out on that, the exact same thing would happen.
The biggest redpill you will ever realize is when you know “dindu nuffen” doesn’t just apply to black people, but all unrepentant sinners and their condoning families and friends.
eb3f1a No.742686
I enjoy Schadenfreude as much as the next guy but we should realize it's not healthy.
You know? Being appaled by how lukewarm people are while subconsciously feeling superior because we aren't.
This is the same hidden pride that push people from here (and pushed me) to lurk r/christianity and other liberal christian places.
Let's remember that "many are called, few are chosen" and we are not safe either… neither are our friends and immediate family.
6bae53 No.742756
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/us/maison-hullibarger-suicide-funeral.html
“If we Christians are right in believing that salvation belongs to Jesus Christ, that it does not come from us — and that our hand cannot stop what God allows for us, then yes, there is hope in eternity even for those who take their own lives,” the homily reads. “Having said that, I think that we must not call what is bad good, what is wrong right. Because we are Christians, we must say what we know is the truth — that taking your own life is against God who made us and against everyone who loves us. Our lives are not our own. They are not ours to do with as we please.”
The homily would go on to say, “Nothing — not even suicide — can separate us from the unconditional love of God.”
Yeah, real fire and brimstone homily. I can totally get why they were so scared and disgusted by what the priest said. The bastard should be canned for that.
But really, that was the worst that a rag like the times could come up with you know the whole thing was probably just as mild. If the family couldn't take that then they are thinned skinned grievance mongers.
They also got the kids former high school football coach fired over a just as mild social media post. They want to insinuate the coach was a "bully" to him and I doubt that would go over well with anyone.
>>742686
>and pushed me) to lurk r/christianity and other liberal christian places.
And you can certainly take your crap right back to those hell holes if it offends you so.
6bae53 No.742763
45014c No.742766
>>741640
In Catholicism, you can do what you want because God loves everybody.
Soon coming to a denomination near you.
30c350 No.742770
>>741640
I mean, he shouldn't have, really. Well, iirc they are buried separately to Church grounds at the least.
The priest likely felt obligated to explain that it was at most something of an exception, and that suicide is still a sin.
e937b9 No.742782
>>741637
This kid is probably in hell, but the priest could have used a little more tact.
He should've briefly, and clearly left judgement of the man to God before addressing the congregation concerning their state before Him. Most people already have an intuition that suicide is a sin so for the most part they already understand the gravity of the situation. You can't bring the kid back, but you can go minister the love of Christ to his family.
17ddb9 No.742788
>>742782
But he did all that. What you're reading is the way the media portrayed it.
You can read the actual homily on >>742763
e937b9 No.742791
e937b9 No.742795
>>742788
Wow, he handled this perfectly.
d814a7 No.742857
>>742476
>There is only one unpardonable sin and it is not suicide.
What a baffling theology. That a sin may be pardonable does not mean its a done deal that it will be pardoned.
813cb6 No.742860
>>741648
It's actually the opposite.
521b4d No.742863
>>742756
>And you can certainly take your crap right back to those hell holes if it offends you so.
I'm not the one reading buzzfeed-tier articles and making threads about it to feel smug though.
Have a nice day people, and this might interest you
http://www.unitypublishing.com/Newsletter/SavedCatholics.htm
17ddb9 No.742866
>>742863
>Using what saints said for Concern Trolling
Okay then
6bae53 No.742871
>>742863
Didn't make a thread but this was blasted on every level of the media to punish a decent priest. So if going to bat for the guy is somehow abhorrent to you then I understand why you like r/christianity better.
056b15 No.742872
>>742763
As an Orthodox Christian, I have to say that homily was more than appropriate. There was literally wrong with what that priest said, and he even dedicated two paragraphs explaining the mercy of God towards those who commit suicide. This is one of many reasons why I'm not Catholic, btw. You people are so quick to condemn decent clergyman I'm honestly surprised there's priests like this left in your Church.
17ddb9 No.742874
>>742872
>This is why I'm not Catholic, btw.
Argue about apostolic succession, or about the titles which are recognized to be required to the church such as "One, Holy, Catholic and Orthodox", or the schism, whatever, but
>I'm not Catholic because most Catholics…
THEOLOGICALLY
UNIMPORTANT
DETAIL
I hate Catholic/Orthodox debates in this board so much.
60ca77 No.742877
>>742686
>Let's remember that "many are called, few are chosen" and we are not safe either…
yeah, thats the whole point of being hardline, so you don't end up fricking your eternal fate up by being a lukewarm. if people are put off by that, then thats their problem. what a horrible post. this is the exact mentality that has gotten christianity to the sorry state its currently in. if people aren't going to submit fully to jesus, then there's no point in lowering the standards for them because they're going to hell anyway. no one is ever helped by lowering the standards, but plenty of people are hurt by it because they don't know how deep they should be dedicated, they are taught that being lukewarm is okay, even by the church itself. being an "asshole" and calling out lukewarms is the best thing you can do for them
056b15 No.742879
>>742874
I just defended one of your own and, predictably, an autistic Thomist appears, tipping his fedora and frothing at the mouth about theological minutia while your fellow AnCaths burn your traditional Clergy st the stake for daring to preach the teachings of Masonic Church.
056b15 No.742881
>>742879
*your Masonic Church
17ddb9 No.742882
>>742879
We all call God the greatest person but there's still room for disagreement around us, isn't that odd?
Well not at all.
>minutia
This is far as you can get form Minutia. There is literally no salvation outside of the church.
056b15 No.742883
>>742882
>literally
Lol i love how Catholics call us spergs and yet they embarrass themselves constantly with low-tier reddit shit like this. We're not gonna convince each other over 8chan, Mr. Autismo. You know that.
17ddb9 No.742885
>>742883
I actually edited that in before I posted because I thought it would make you fall for theological minutia.
056b15 No.742886
>>742885
>lol i was just pretending to be retarded
60ca77 No.742887
>>742872
what is this called? when you give someone a compliment, but only as a way to disparage them in the next sentence? like if a chick says "you look great in that dress, becky, it totally hides your fat rolls!"
01f8aa No.742966
ae32d9 No.743201
>>742686
I'll accept that polite chastening …
ae32d9 No.743204
>>742887
"back-handed compliment"?
That's what we in ozfailia would call it.
Although, a bank-hander is usually more subtle than what you wrote. That would be a full insult.
Pic related
ae32d9 No.743205
>>743204
>>742887
perhaps this one is more obvious
40bf55 No.753999
>>741640
>Why did the kid even get a Catholic funeral? Is that normal in Catholicism?
This is the first I have ever heard of this.
ede686 No.754021
Based priest dabbing on sinners and sinner apologists
de4b98 No.754205
>>741729
What a moron, everyone here agrees he may not have acted with enough tact, but what he said isn't morally objectionable the way it's being portrayed you numskull. Oh but wait, according to >>742763 it turns out that the homily actually WAS perfectly sympathetic as well, so I'm sure your apology will be forthcoming, correct? I won't hold my breath.
851647 No.754313
>>754205
Triggered much?
The criticism was toward the frequent tendency to defend things uncritically such as in the manner it had been described in the OP.
That said you appear to easily overlook the part where my post says the article comes from a known sensationalist source and "assuming it is as the article states".
So yes get your oxygen tank. I'll get mine.
0fc6b3 No.754315
>>754313
Oh stop pretending. You made that post because you want us to become modernists like Pope Francis. Every time a small-time Priest says something he gets reprimanded, and when the thread defends them you reprimand them too. Meanwhile when we talk about something Pope Francis said the defense force comes out of the woodwork.
There's no good will here, just pure maliciousness and modernism, let me show you:
>Which is why the responsible administrators who actually hold the job unlike those defending it made the appropriate decision.
Because 50%~ our Bishops have been so responsible and heterosexual/chaste, right?
>the priest probably has a huge superiority complex.
>But what can be done? The planet inhabited by billions of people, and of retards there is probably more than one.
B-but remember I totally don't trust the article because I said so, see I wrote "That being said the article comes from a known sensationalist source too.".
You're just angry because all the modernists are literally dying out due to becoming old and you want /christian/ to convert quickly.
851647 No.754320
>>754315
le everyone who doesn't follow the polarized rhetoric must be a modernist liberal
Also nice reworking of the sentence. Here's the actual word order.
>Again assuming it is as the article states, the priest probably has a huge superiority complex. But what can be done? The planet inhabited……
You don't suggest the administration is fully composed of evil anti-Christians trying to keep da good priest down as can similarly be observed being alleged in other instances of bureaucratic controversy elsewhere in the world involving conflicts between the lower stratums and higher ones.
Not to say that the belief of power being prone to being abused may not be true, but it would likely then also have to be true that responsibility comes with it.
While the written homily may seem inoffensive at a glance, you couldn't fully understand unless you had put yourself truly in the shoes of the people who were mourning the loss of their relative at the moment they heard the homily being given, and possibly also without taking into consideration the priest's perspective at the moment also, which even if not ill intended, may have not been useful.
0fc6b3 No.754325
>>754320
I'm not claiming that you're a modernist liberal, I'm claiming you're a outright jew and you need to leave NOW.
I could write a reply to what you said but you're clearly not interested. I mean who even writes this kind of argument here?
>While the written homily may seem inoffensive at a glance, you couldn't fully understand unless…
Fr. LaCuesta is going to heaven SPECIFICALLY because of his courage, nothing you can do anymore.
851647 No.754330
>>754325
>muh-ooh-ooh-ah-ah-ah-dernist liberal jooh-ooh-ooh
>don't interfere with my reeeactionist reeevival
That's a loaded assumption if I've ever seen one.
d9668f No.754338
>>754330
No one cares. We all know you have no good intentions here. The priest was in the right and the family and people like you are in the wrong. I'd say get use to it but I doubt you have enough self awareness to do so.
851647 No.754342
>>754338
Clearly a significant number of people do since the person in question was relieved of funerary duties. Not like he was excommunicated or anything.
851647 No.754346
>>754343
There's no argument about your lack of having one.
d9668f No.754349
>>754342
Oh the shock. People with ill intentions blasted this over the media to persecute a innocent priest.
Like I said the priest was in the right and the family and the likes of you are in the wrong. You can't even argue claiming ignorance anymore and only going on with what the family says happened because the whole homily is out. If anything in it offends you then I doubt you're a christian at all.
271d66 No.754350
This is sick.
Priest should have left his own Church a long time ago.
2968c8 No.754352
>>754346
I dont need an argument if you are presenting no argument to that anon's post.
851647 No.754353
>>754349
You clearly appear to have an axe to grind since your assumptions about intentions appear to be all over the place and may possibly well be a self projection to an extent.
People undergoing tragedies might not be in the mood to hear certain things in their wake which is why it would be better to reserve them for another occasion as being tactful would imply.
>>754352
On the contrary, the argument if the post would be somewhat perceivable unless one is perhaps really a brainlet as it implies.
Also
>complain about "sophistry"
>employ it regularly thinking it can keep you from being wrong endlessly
0fc6b3 No.754356
>>754353
>Complain about me being the same person
>Drop another reply with >>754350
Also
>Not naming a example of sophistry and putting my own notes of your sophistry between quotations
You are quite the annoying person so I hope you can see why someone would not want to argue with you.
851647 No.754357
>>754356
>Drop another reply with >>754350
Lol pour some water on that fuming mind of yours and get you vision checked.
It's rather your sophist twisting of logic aimlessly that's annoying.
d9668f No.754360
>>754353
>You clearly appear to have an axe to grind
Yes, against anyone who would pull down any good man, let alone a good priest.
>since your assumptions about intentions appear to be all over the place
Unless you are confusing me with other people, my intentions gave been on point from the start.
>may possibly well be a self projection to an extent.
Maybe for you bud.
>People undergoing tragedies might not be in the mood to hear certain things in their wake which is why it would be better to reserve them for another occasion as being tactful would imply.
Seems to me the family was never in the mood to hear anything they didn't want. It doesn't matter what has happened, you either listen to what is good and right. If you can't then that's your problem not the person saying it.
b9a57e No.754363
>>742872
>As an Orthodox Christian
you can take your irrelevant and quite offensive opinions and get out of this thread, or board even.
851647 No.754364
>>754360
>pull down
Referred to it as a persecution a moment ago though.
>butt in on an argument between two posters without without actually giving it an honest read and also ganging up to harangue a single poster
>y-yeah like other anon said, you're confusing me with someone else, tee-hee
I'll restate my intentions
>The criticism was toward the frequent tendency to defend things uncritically such as in the manner it had been described in the OP.
d9668f No.754369
>>754364
>Referred to it as a persecution a moment ago though.
And?
>butt in on an argument
This is a public conversation. If you can't handle to people not agreeing with you then that seems to be your problem.
>I'll restate my intentions
No one cares, anyone with half a brain could see this was a frame job. And as time went on it came out it was.
e23445 No.754371
>>754363
Wild CRYPTO-TURKOMON appeared!
2968c8 No.754372
>>754363
No u
Besides that anon isn't wrong and neither was that preist.
The Israelites mocked and imprisioned Jeremiah because he had the bravery to preach the truth, no matter how hard it was going to be to those that heard him. Ye lukewarm catholics ought to be thanking that pastor for telling the truth instead of sugar coating the funeral attendants' ears with comforting lies.
851647 No.754375
>>754369
>If you can't handle to people not agreeing
Funny from the someone that complains about being replied to on the cause of others to begin with
>this was a frame job
Talk about deliria
851647 No.754376
>>754372
You can castigate yourself on your own free time pal.
0fc6b3 No.754377
>>754364
>The criticism was toward the frequent tendency to defend things uncritically such as in the manner it had been described in the OP.
Says the guy accepting the news report uncritically
>But I said the news report was form a sensationalist source!
You also said this.
>Again assuming it is as the article states, the priest probably has a huge superiority complex. But what can be done? The planet inhabited by billions of people, and of retards there is probably more than one.
d9668f No.754378
>>754375
>that complains
No I said you were either wrong or confusing me with another poster. If that's to tough for you maybe a place like this isn't your speed.
2968c8 No.754379
>>754376
No need to, because my conscious is clear. If you can't handle the truth maybe being a Christian is too much for you.
0fc6b3 No.754381
>>754380
Except you did as my post proves
>>754377
851647 No.754382
>>754377
>Says the guy accepting the news report uncritically
Cept I didn't as my post proves.
>>754378
>maybe a place like this isn't your speed.
>yes leave me to shitpost uninhibitedly
>>754379
>my conscious is clear
And I heard pride was a sin, aside from everyone being a sinner
d9668f No.754383
>>754382
>yes leave me to shitpost uninhibitedly
>>754353
>may possibly well be a self projection to an extent.
I think you answer yourself pretty well.
851647 No.754384
>>754383
Yep, your dia-gnosis (whoa) is autism.
d9668f No.754385
>>754384
Yes, I'm the one shitposting.
851647 No.754387
7474a2 No.754389
>>754382
Okay, prove me wrong. Prove to me that the preist was in the wrong and that suicide isn't a sin.
Spoiler alert:
you can't
d9668f No.754390
>>754387
Yeah, you wonder why you have so much pushback from here.
0fc6b3 No.754392
>>754390
You're the only one receiving pushback
860a50 No.754393
>>741637
Glad to know not every catholic is bowing before the devil that sits atop the church, God have mercy on the kid who committed this act, hopefully the priests actions will make others think twice about it
851647 No.754394
>>754389
That's not the subject of discussion but whether it was appropriate to say certain things during the funeral sermon, and that's aside from the fact that the deceased will not going to be buried on the church ground either. The administrators appear to believe it wasn't so. The priest wasn't condemned or excommunicated because of it.
>>754390
I'm not going to be swayed by a bunch of recalcitrant shills, that sort of stuff is just something daily.
d9668f No.754396
>>754392
Yeah, sure. Because I guess everyone pushing back on your crap is just me. Oh wait, it's not.
851647 No.754399
>>754392
>>754396
There's a delete post option if you click the arrow in the upper left corner of your post if the both of you need it and haven't known already. Just a gesture in good postmanship I guess. Might not work if your password cookie has changed though.
7474a2 No.754400
>>754394
> be >>742872
>says homily was appropriate and did nothing wrong
>be (you)
>gets buttblasted and tells the anon gtfo
>be me
>tells (you) that (you) are in the wrong and the preist did nothing wrong
>be (you)
<but whether it was appropriate to say certain things during the funeral sermon
>mfw that was exactly what 742872 snd I were arguing.
The preist did nothing wrong and you can't even defend your position as to why the preist was wrong. Proving me and that other anon right. You lukewarms have no leg to stand on.
I'll pray for you.
851647 No.754402
>>754400
I believe thou knowest not truly who thou art.
965127 No.754405
>>754402
I think people like you and the family is reason enough to not even extend the offer of a funeral mass at all. You have no leg to stand on but you want to try to(try being the key word) be witty to cover for it.
851647 No.754406
>>754405
Did the entire parish of the priest in question suddenly barge in here this morning?
I don't know why it's taken up with me when it was the management that decided it. Are the dead going to recite their own rites now?
965127 No.754407
>>754406
>Did the entire parish of the priest in question suddenly barge in here this morning?
No, but if you want to be smarmy you better be ready for people to take you to task for it.
>I don't know why it's taken up with me when it was the management that decided it.
Again, if you want to spout your mouth of be ready to own it or shut up.
>Are the dead going to recite their own rites now?
If the family or anyone else wants to act like this then they can do without a catholic funeral. They can "calibrate" his life someplace else.
851647 No.754408
>>754407
Seems a bit egotistic to be slamming the family who suffered a tragedy for the sake of some priest to continue performing funerary ceremonies.
0229ea No.754409
Reminder for those attacking Fr LaCuesta ITT that a link to the exact homily he gave was posted here >>742763
Try actually reading what he said before judging it to have been inappropriate.
965127 No.754414
>>754408
An injustice is an injustice. I don't care how small you think it is. The man was thrown to the wolves and his name dragged through the mud. A tragedy is not a pass to do whatever you want.
0fc6b3 No.754419
>>754394
>whether it was appropriate to say certain things during the funeral sermon
Name one thing inappropriate in >>742763
e49952 No.754421
>“He basically called our son a sinner,” Linda told the Toledo Blade.
We're all sinners sweetie :^) and your son committed a mortal sin as his final act of unrepentance. Possibly even the unpardonable sin spoken of by Jesus.
e49952 No.754423
851647 No.754425
>>754419
Probably not even wrong according to Christian doctrine just that to the family it might not have been desirable atm to hear the part where he gets into how all sins can be forgiven no matter how grave, being suggestive of the actions the deceased individual took, when they might have probably have just wanted or expected a simple eulogy.
965127 No.754427
>>754425
He did better than a simple eulogy. He preached repentance and salvation in Christ, which has no inopportune time to do so. We do not bend to whims of the family, especially those of a suicide. They could go hold it at a Dave and buster's if they wanted the sugar coated lies of the world.
851647 No.754428
>>754427
Yeah sure whatever mr. unordained layperson.
Lol, "We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us."
965127 No.754429
>>754428
>Yeah sure whatever
Because you don't have nothing better to say. Just remember that. You can throw your crap but you have nothing of substance to say.
851647 No.754431
>>754429
More like as one of the other anons replied earlier your assumptions have no leg to stand on.
965127 No.754435
>>754431
Everything I've said has been true. The family misrepresented, if not outright lied about what the priest said and helped the media descend on the priest to ruin his name while his superiors bowed to the pressure. Which is a horrid outcome which you seem to have no problem with.
851647 No.754437
>>754435
That's all quite the hyperbole for a questionable matter.
You know what your problem really is with? The inner workings and managerial hierarchy of the institution you seek to defend. Perhaps you should focus more on castigating that than what some distraught parents might have done in a state of sorrow.
965127 No.754438
>>754431
And I was the one who said you had no leg to stand on. Its very easy to see who says what here but you don't seem like a regular here.
0fc6b3 No.754440
>>754437
>Gets beaten in a argument(In this case >>754435 )
>Makes a new one
851647 No.754442
>>754438
And you also seem to be under the impression that the family might have gone out on an expressed mission to tarnish someone rather than one opportunist journalist using the incident to their advantage and a series of others following.
>And I was the one who said you had no leg to stand on
But were you the only one?
23625e No.754443
>>741640
>Is that normal in Catholicism?
Not in places i've been in latin america (Venezuela, Colombia and Mexico)
You only get the funerary ceremony and then you go directly to the hole/oven, no church rites.
da8985 No.754446
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>754443
Well if you don't like it go to Venezuela see how you like it over there.
JK:)
On a similar note here's a news piece by le 24 hour frog which I saw recently about grave looting there.
965127 No.754452
>>754442
>And you also seem to be under the impression that the family might have gone out on an expressed mission to tarnish someone
They quite clearly stated they wanted him laicized. So yes I believe they did in fact wanted to ruin his life. But again you want to blame everyone but them. If the priest preaching the word of God and the salvation through Christ is somehow abhorrent to them and you then I don't care about any of your limp wrist excuses.
965127 No.754455
>>754442
>And I was the one who said you had no leg to stand on
>But were you the only one?
So you believe someone else told you you didn't have a leg to stand on as well. Maybe you should take the hint then.
2b499a No.754459
>>741637
I agree with the priest, but that still does not take the pain away.
I have struggled with suicide for many years now, and it never gets any easier. I would prefer to have all my limbs missing than to feel the way I do. Man, if there is one pain I wish God could remove from humanity, it would be suicidality. I would not wish this state on the worst blasphemer or satanist in the world.
851647 No.754462
>>754452
>They quite clearly stated they wanted him laicized.
Yes sure the family probably went with a lawyer to court to formally demand that he be excommunicated as per a strict review of Catholic law and didn't probably instead just suggest it at the moment the went to the church to inform them of the complaint.
Again the management wasn't under any obligation to heed their complaint but the fact that they did suggest they might have taken it seriously.
Meanwhile you just opt to lambaste those who had no technical say in the decision. I wonder whether you'd call for the family to be put through trial by fire for causing the release of a single priest from funerary duties.
0fc6b3 No.754464
>>754462
>Yes sure the family probably went with a lawyer to court to formally demand that he be excommunicated as per a-
Or maybe they just did some things to stir up stuff like helping the news record. Of course you brought up a insane strawman to make your opponent look dumb, but It won't work.
By the way it seem's they're talking about you in another thread! >>754448
851647 No.754466
>>754464
Yeah Nazis are known for having caused a lot of people tremendous distress and suffering.
965127 No.754472
>>754462
>didn't probably instead just suggest it at the moment the went to the church to inform them of the complaint.
Oh, they just suggested it. Well that's fine and dandy then.
>but the fact that they did suggest they might have taken it seriously.
Or they are a bunch of cowards like we all been saying. Again you can't actually point to anything he actually did wrong but you want to blame him anyway.
>Meanwhile you just opt to lambaste those who had no technical say in the decision.
No, I'm calling them liars and dishonest who created a campaign of revenge to smear an innocent person. You act like we aren't shitting on the diocese for being cowardly.
>I wonder whether you'd call for the family to be put through trial by fire for causing the release of a single priest from funerary duties.
I'd call for it even if he didn't lose anything because they are a bunch of liars that stirred stuff up against a innocent person.
Again you aren't going to wiggle your way out of this. It was clear as day since his homily came out he did nothing wrong. You can justify their vindictiveness all you want but it only shows you are as dishonest as they are.
851647 No.754475
>>754472
Yeah well your lack of empathy says a lot about the position of your moral scruples.
851647 No.754476
>>754472
>also seriously believing a distraught family who has experienced a recent tragedy will just have the urge to go out of their way to tarnish the priest conducting their loved one's funeral for the heck of it
965127 No.754477
>>754475
>>754476
Seeing I'm actually in the corner of the innocent party I couldn't care less about your moral pronouncement. Having a dead kid isn't a pass to do as you like. You might think so but like this thread has shown, you are wrong.
851647 No.754480
>>754477
>isn't a pass to do as you like
The rules of the institution which you defend appear to have allowed what was done though.
a85f7a No.754486
965127 No.754487
>>754480
Cowardly and corrupt men let this happen. Not our rules. You haven't brought up one thing he did wrong but you seem totally fine condemning him like the family did.The cowardly men who bowed to this grievance mob will get as bad if not worse than the family. Again you aren't going to wiggle your way out of trying to justify their horrible actions.
851647 No.754492
>>754487
>Not our rules
No actually they do, your feels don't make it not so.
I actually stated sympathy for the possible perspective of the priest and never uttered any condemnation. The only one who has condemned here is you.
0fc6b3 No.754496
Spoilers for people still here:
In the next episode he makes more stuff up and then the protag might or might not finally give up on arguing with him.
Or maybe he's gradually starting to hate them, who knows.
Also could you two do us a favor and start saging?
965127 No.754501
>>754492
>No actually they do,
You seriously have no self awareness. You can't say what he did wrong so you have no clue what supposed rule he broke.
>your feels don't make it not so.
Litterly that's all you or the families arguments and lies boil down to.
>I actually stated sympathy
You threw your lot in with the family. It doesn't matter what supposed sympathy you have when you don't care what actually happens to a innocent man.
965127 No.754504
>>754496
>Also could you two do us a favor and start saging?
He doesn't know how seeing he can't even pick out whose post is whose and I don't care.
851647 No.754512
>>754496
You can also hide threads that you're not interested in. There are numerous others to go to.
I personally don't see it as any more or less constructive than thread No. 293840 about how to stop fapping or No. 385672 about ethnic segregation being justifiable from a Christian perspective.