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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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178a94  No.754430

A few months ago I made a thread titled "A Hill Worth Dying On?" and wanted to finally report back on my experience now that the dust has fully settled. I was, then, an art student about to graduate, and expressed frustration at the abhorrent double standards applied to male and female students regarding the portrayal of female nudity for blatantly political reasons. I asked the board the basic question of the thread title. One person encouraged me to take a stand. Most others in the thread gave some sort of variation of "Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown." At first I was going to follow the latter line of thinking.

However, events eventually transpired to where I had officially had it up to here with the blatant hypocrisy, and decided to take a stand in a measured and respectful manner. Just as my professor acted in an overly hostile manner when I occasionally disagreed with him before, he went on the warpath when I defended my piece. There is a graphic that sometimes makes the rounds on here and other places that quotes Hitler on debating with Jews. Let's just say that graphic/quote punches me in the gut whenever I see it now. I completely understand and can relate to that experience first hand. Said professor proved himself to be unscrupulous, untrustworthy and my interactions with him from that point on (and even earlier) left me with an overriding feeling of absolute moral disgust. He was a Far-Left Liberal, and claimed to care about the portrayal of women by white males in particular because of the environment of the #MeToo movement. Considering some of the work posted in the show, it's very obvious that he cared more about his virtue signaling status than about the portrayal of women.

Overall, it was an unpleasant and stressful experience. However, at the end of the day, I can say with certainty that, it was indeed worth it. No, I did not single-handedly "change the institution" as some in the earlier thread cited as a reason not to proceed. But the fact is, thanks and glory be to God, I was able to stand up to injustice and an unjust man (and some unjust others), got my piece displayed in the show (as well as others that said professor wanted taken down for petty reasons of sabotage in the aftermath of our debate) and graduated with a final exhibition show not marred by politics and bias. No, I did not "change the school" or anything grandiose like that. But sometimes it's worth it just to take a moral stand for it's own sake, regardless of if there's some greater reward or for the sake of "changing the world" or whatnot. In fact, I've grown to suspect that one of the primary reasons why Conservativism/Traditionalism has been trounced by Liberalism in Universities, the Media, etc. is because too many Conservatives have a "Chinatown"/defeatist mentality, whilst Radical Liberals are willing to passionately fight for even the smallest of hills.

178a94  No.754432

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>>754430

cont'd:

On a related side note, I wish to give some advice to any Christians out there who wish to become visual artists. One of those pieces of advice seems fairly self-evident to most here (I had to learn the hard way):

Avoid traditional 4 year Universities/Colleges like London during the plague.

However, there are reasons, especially if you are seeking to become an artist, that go beyond the obvious tropes like "Degrees that in terms of getting you a job, might as well be in 'Underwater Basket Weaving' and "Being in 'Debt Hell' for most of you life."

-Teachers are all over the place in terms of quality: Some teachers are good, some are great/fantastic, some are mediocre, some are outright terrible, or even be borderline psychotic narcissists that will target you for abuse for non-nonsensical reasons (I and others encountered more than just a few of these.) Which leads into:

-Too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome: You'd think encountering a wide variety of teachers in artistic disciplines would be good, but more often than not, it can be confusing and contradictory. Plus, said teachers will often have their own politics (particularly Liberal), agenda, and vision that they will try to shove down your throat. You will encounter teachers who have a very fixed idea of what art should be, and attempt to force you into the mold of their preconception, rather than do what they're supposed to do: guide you into finding your own personal voice. For example: say you are going for an Illustration path/degree. You will be required to also take classes in Graphic Design, Fine Art, Photography, etc. While the adjacent fields will have aspects that can compliment and augment your path, professors in those disciplines will often try to manipulate you into joining their program; not because of "recognizing your talent" or caring about your journey, but simply because they want to fill their department with more warm bodies.

-The General Education Requirements Rigmarole - While it's good to be well rounded in your education, even if you are an artist, in such things a math, science, history, etc. The fact is that you want to primarily focus on art, and only cover such aforementioned subjects on a more casual level in relation. The ugly truth is that in University/College, General Education courses will usually go something like this: Professor gives you a book you are required to purchase on the syllabus (usually a book that is nightmarishly overpriced.) You buy the book. You read the book in class with the professor, who gives discussions and lectures based around the book. You occasionally do tests/writing assignments based on digesting and regurgitating info from said book. In other words, you are literally paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars to read an overpriced book, when you can just get a general education on the subject by just buying a book (at a far more reasonable price) on the subject and just reading it yourself. I encountered one exception to the above process in my entire uni experience, and said professor slanted things in a blatantly Liberal/Feminist slant (overpriced uni books will generally do the same thing.)


178a94  No.754433

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>>754432

cont'd:

So what should you do if you are a Christian and wish to get good training and become a good artist?:

-Go to a specialized traditional art school like an Atelier/Living Master's program, like those listed on this site if you can:

https://www.artrenewal.org/Atelier/Search

You will get a rigorous traditional art education in the same manner of masters like DaVinci and Michelangelo at a reasonable price in comparison to comparable modern institutions; a focus on all art all the time, without the General Education Requirements Rigmarole to drag you down; plus such institutions tend to have a Conservative lean in their politics and standards of beauty and what makes good art, so you'll feel right at home.

-On a related side note, just because Unis are garbage for an art education, doesn't mean you should gravitate toward the modern equivalents of art specialization schools, like The Art Institute, RISD, New York Academy of Art, or that nefarious institution which shall not be named (hint: it rhymes with Al Barts.) These schools are horrifically overpriced (yearly tuitions in the $50,000 and up range, give or take,) thoroughly colonized by Liberalism, and ironically suffer from some of the same maladies that plague Unis (i.e. too many cooks in the kitchen, etc.)

-Pay for online training courses/learning material like ctrlaltpaint.com, https://www.cgmasteracademy.com, https://vilppuacademy.com, https://www.proko.com, https://www.wattsatelier.com etc. Comparatively more affordable, more specialized and taught by vetted industry professionals towards a particular path you want to go down, so you avoid the pitfalls of varying quality teachers and "too many cooks in the kitchen" that infest most modern art institutions.

-Utilize a combination of some of the more affordable resources mentioned prior, as well as books, youtube videos, lynda.com, udemy, etc. and just good old fashioned practice and lots of drawing and art making to teach yourself. A lot of great artists go down this path successfully.

The fact is, any of these options are ultimately better than Uni or an overpriced modern art specialist school, because at the end of the day, when it comes to landing an art job or client, or selling a piece of art, the quality of your artwork/portfolio (and some networking which you can learn on your own.) will beat out a GPA and a laundry list of Honor Societies and glorified social club Civic Organizations every time.

Hope this helps other fellow christanons to not repeat the same mistakes I've made.


a8cfc0  No.754434

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>>754432

>inb4 mods remove picture

Great posts by the way.


c44326  No.754436

>>754430

Hey OP, I remember your thread. I'm glad it worked out for you, I'm honestly surprised you were able to get a good ending out of this.


f0f616  No.754439

>>754430

I don't get it. What changed?


0bafcd  No.754441

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File: 47da598ef94a0ea⋯.jpg (1.36 MB, 1915x3212, 1915:3212, Charité (Bouguerou).jpg)

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Based Bouguereau poster


8f6cb2  No.754447

>>754430

Great post, OP. People are afraid to go against radicals because they bite deep and those bite infects. They will sabotage your social life and also everyone around you too even up to the squirrel in your yard and they have made grisly examples with the backing of the satanic social media. Yours was a small step, but a great progress to show that people will not stand for this. God bless you and your courage, may your strong heart be an inspiration to all.

About the art thing. I am interested, but I do really poor in art. I can do some minor graphic design, some photography; but anything hand-drawn and sculptures are way beyond me. My greatest weakness in that field is that I cannot find beauty in my fellow human beings. I cannot photograph people right, nor can create a good graphic composition with real life human model in it. I can do inanimate objects just fine and do good in sceneries through. I also like "beautiful voids", the images of picturesque empty places which normally people would be in it like modern cities/architectures sans people.


fc8b40  No.754448

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>>754430

Super job! (Hitler quote attached for reference)


178a94  No.754450

>>754434

Lol at that pic!

>>754436

You and me both. God get's the glory, but to go into more details:

>>754439

Like I said, initially I was just going to keep the piece out and just go along to get along to graduate. However, when I found out a fellow female student was literally encouraged to "make her packaging product more sexy/pin-upy/adult" to roughly paraphrase said professor, that was the final straw for me. I was already scheduled to meet with the new gallery director to discuss my work. I decided to bring the so-called 'controversial piece' with me and get her thoughts on it (yes, her.) She found the piece unoffensive, the nudity non-exploitative, and disagreed with the professor's judgement. So yes, believe it or not, I got a woman on my side against a male professor (which, in retrospect, shouldn't be too surprising, since male "feminists" are often the most insufferable virtue signalers.)

I still wanted to civilly debate and explain my piece further to the professor, especially since he dismissively cut me off the first time I tried to explain it, and especially in light of the gallery director's feedback. He refused to discuss things with me privately as I wished, and instead debated with me near the end of the next class while some classmates were still present. Let's just say I felt embarrassed for all involved. As I said before, it was like debating Hitler's stereotypical Jew. The lowest point of the "debate" was when he claimed that my piece looked a certain way, when it clearly did not. I went to my desk to grab a copy of said piece to show that he was wrong. At that precise point, he snarled "I'm done" and stormed out of the room like a child saying "I'm taking my ball and going home." He claimed to have "caved in due to my stubbornness", but I suspect it had more to do with the gallery director having more authority than him. Especially in light of the fact that in the first class after our first mini-debate where he cut me off, he loudly said so that all could hear, something to the effect of "Who has authority of what gets into the show? Oh, right, I do." That bravado seemed to mysteriously evaporate after our second debate.

Afterwards, he pulled some other shenanigans, including, providing minimal feedback and barely being available, but practically being on call to other students, and then bushwhacking me the day right before opening reception to try to get me to take several large critical pieces out of the show based on me "going behind him", when I actively sought out his feedback, and his responses, while minimal, came off as encouraging until that point.

Sorry about the blogpost. I've still got some bitterness to work through after going through this, and have to work on forgiving him.


178a94  No.754456

>>754447

Thanks for the encouragement; this is especially true:

>They will sabotage your social life and also everyone around you too even up to the squirrel in your yard and they have made grisly examples with the backing of the satanic social media.

As for your art questions: your issues with traditional drawing by hand and people more than likely boils down to practice and repetition. I'm the opposite, I love drawing people, and the particular path I want to go down is Character Design. But at the same time, I realized that even as a Character Designer, I can't just brush off backgrounds and objects, and got better through practice.

A lot of people (myself included, for a long time to my detriment) operate under the myth that artists just magically draw stuff out of their head right off the bat due to talent. Don't get me wrong, there are artists like that, but they tend to be anomalies that are 0.00001% of the population. The vast majority of artists have to practice and work again and again, especially on universal weak points like hands, feet and perspective. Leonardo DaVinci was especially noteworthy for pioneering what would come to be known as the study of anatomy, by literally doing drawing studies of cadavers. Name a great piece by a classical master, and I guarantee you that they studied from a model or models for the entire piece or at least in some capacity to inform said piece.

If you want to grow as an artist, don't run away from your weaknesses: face them head on. In the beginning it will be annoying and frustrating, but if you keep it at, you will make headway and you will grow. At worst, if even after much hard work, you simply don't find yourself drawn to the human figure, you'll still have learned and grown and lot and then you can just go with your strengths in graphic design and landscapes: that could be where God wants you to be.

>>754448

Yep. That's arguing with a Radical Liberal to a T.


f12df3  No.754500

File: f3ab74e592ffb8b⋯.png (2.71 MB, 3500x2500, 7:5, f3ab74e592ffb8b4aaf43b0fbd….png)

I'm 17 and also interested in working with art..but the thing is, i heard working with art doesnt pay really well. I don't want much money, i just want to have a beatiful house the earliest i can, have the ability to support a family, travel sometimes..do you think it's possible with an art job? Got any ideas of where to get independent work or to spread my work? Here's a little something i done, i know it's anime but i would like to hear your opinion regardless.


108fc9  No.754502

File: 7efccba7dc3c24c⋯.jpg (187.48 KB, 774x1032, 3:4, IMG-20181211-WA0067.jpg)

Here's another something i've made: I tried to remake one of Gustave's Dore illustrations with an regular pen


88a9aa  No.754527

File: 005b25e1a5318bd⋯.jpg (6.18 KB, 250x250, 1:1, looky loo.jpg)

>>754502

Good work, Anon!


d6a4e1  No.754561

>>754502

>>754500

good.


178a94  No.754586

>>754500

>>754502

You show great promise and potential! The main strengths of your drawings include the subtle triadic color scheme in the anime picture (i.e. the greens, and the blonde hair and purple dress of the one figure, which also effectively makes her a focal point.) as well as basic grasp of perspective. The Gustave copy is very impressive, especially considering you did it in ballpoint pen! it also demonstrates that you can "see" as an artist (or are beginning to "see"), and are not completely bound by symbolic drawing.

Which dovetails into the fact that, as radically different in style and execution as they are, both pieces share the same basic weaknesses: symbolic drawing (the Gustave piece, less so), and a lack of understanding of Construction.

First, the anime drawing: it is indicative of one who is trying to master the anime style/aesthetic, without a solid grasp of the fundamentals of drawing. When this happens, you are essentially drawing a symbol of a symbol. But first, what is symbolic drawing? To make a long story short, it's drawing what you "think/know" something looks like, without actually "seeing" it. To elaborate further: when you go throughout your day to day living, you don't really "see' things. Your eye and brain process things in a simplified symbolic manner in order to navigate day to day life. If you actually went through a day, processing every single detail and texture and color variation of the wall, carpet, wood grain on a cabinet or table, etc., it would take you like 5 years to walk across a room. Thus your brain simplifies doors as rectangles. eyeballs as footballs, and so on and so on (this is why children draw certain things the way that they do.

If you want a more thorough explanation of this concept, as well as exercises designed to break through symbolic drawing, I highly recommend "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain." and the accompanying work book:

https://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Right-Side-Brain-Definitive/dp/1585429201

https://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Right-Side-Brain-Workbook/dp/1585429228/ref=pd_bxgy_14_2/132-7003686-1844920?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1585429228&pd_rd_r=b7f9883d-1533-11e9-b24d-05ff6573df22&pd_rd_w=aJ6fg&pd_rd_wg=azEkJ&pf_rd_p=6725dbd6-9917-451d-beba-16af7874e407&pf_rd_r=ZTCH43MRB0QK3GK9RZMH&psc=1&refRID=ZTCH43MRB0QK3GK9RZMH


178a94  No.754587

>>754586

cont'd:

As stylized as anime drawings are, professional anime artists are trained in a similiar manner to Western realists and stylized realists (i.e. superhero comics): they draw and study from life (human figure studies via photo, models etc., still life drawings, landscapes, etc.) and then form their style from a combination of their interpretation of observed reality and breaking it down into their own personal symbolic interpretation, as well as influence from their heroes.

Thus, they create their own symbols based on reality. When one just copies their style, without doing their own studies of nature, they end up creating symbols of symbols without understanding the underlying elements that inform those symbols. Work that is the product of this comes off as flat or uninspired. Even when done professionally, the results are less than desirable. John K., of "Ren and Stimpy" fame, once observed that the lions in Disney's "The Lion King", were basically just subtle copies of the basic big cat templates established by the artist of Bagheera and Shere Khan in Disney's "The Jungle Book." In other words, the artists didn't go out or get photos and study and understand lions for themselves and execute lions with their own unique voice, they just took Begheera and She re Khan and made them lions.

In order to break free of symbolism, and to ultimately find your own voice, you need to draw from life (whether real life, or photographic reference) void of the influence of other artists. Don't get me wrong, it's good to have heroes and to learn from them, but don't get stuck just slavishly copying them only. I once had the pleasure of meeting, and attending a Q&A panel, of one of my artistic heroes, Haruhiko Mikimoto. To roughly paraphrase from my memory, during the session he said: "I used to just copy my heroes… but then became frustrated and stuck. I only began to progress and find my visual identity when I started drawing from life."


178a94  No.754590

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File: 2b05abc10ce7026⋯.jpg (161.54 KB, 1009x1450, 1009:1450, Back skeleton.jpg)

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>>754587

cont'd:

Nevertheless, you can't just study old masters and draw from life in just any willy nilly way. Understanding and applying the concept of Construction is crucial. Let's take a look at your Gustav copy: in it, you are "seeing it" much clearer than with the anime pic that I assumed you drew mostly from your head. However, there's still some symbolism sneaking in because of a lack of understanding of Construction. You see, you're just copying the piece. Outlining it. You're not studying the underlying forms and structures of the the figures and animals. I've attached the original you've copied from for reference.

Pay especial attention to the central mounted knight in the middle swinging his mace: notice how in the original, the arm holding his mace is going over his head towards the viewer. In your version, said knight's mace holding arm is going over his head towards his back away from the viewer. This is because you just copied the outline rather than drawing the arm as a foreshortened cylinder going towards the viewer.

I've attached two additional pics to demonstrate this concept further. Notice how in the drawing of the standing figure, and the reclining figure, the artist is not just outlining or copying - the artist is breaking the figures down into simplified shapes and planes in order to understand how the figures exist and behave in three dimensional space.

A good beginner book on the concept of Construction is this:

https://www.amazon.com/Fun-Pencil-Everybody-Easily-Learn/dp/0857687603/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547166738&sr=1-1&keywords=fun+with+a+pencil

Don't write it off as some old-timey kiddie book: it teaches powerful fundamentals, and I consider it a formative book in the development of my own drawing skills.

If you want something meatier and more advanced, go for this:

https://www.amazon.com/Figure-Drawing-Invention-Michael-Hampton/dp/0615272819/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547167451&sr=1-1&keywords=michael+hampton+figure+drawing+design+and+invention

Also people have recommended Bridgeman in this department. I personally found his stuff a bit obtuse, but YMMV. Plus, Frazetta is famously said to have learned from it, so if it's good enough for him, it should be good enough for you:

https://www.amazon.com/Bridgmans-Complete-Guide-Drawing-Life/dp/1454926538/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547167672&sr=1-1&keywords=Bridgman

If you want another good book that specializes in head construction (which is in fact, the golden standard of head construction that most artists learn), as well as those devilishly difficult hands, go for this:

https://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Head-Hands-Andrew-Loomis/dp/0857680978/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547166738&sr=1-2&keywords=fun+with+a+pencil

If I were you, I would either go back and redo that drawing, or if you're burnt out by it, do another Gustav drawing you like or something else by one of your heroes, or something from life, and instead of copying/outlining it, break it down into shapes and planes, and try to understand it on the level of how it fits into three dimensional space.

TL;DR: Draw from life, break free from symbolism, study your heroes but not too slavishly, utilize construction in your training and studies, and find your voice!

I hope this helps. God Bless!


178a94  No.754600

>>754500

As for this:

>I'm 17 and also interested in working with art..but the thing is, i heard working with art doesnt pay really well. I don't want much money, i just want to have a beatiful house the earliest i can, have the ability to support a family, travel sometimes..do you think it's possible with an art job? Got any ideas of where to get independent work or to spread my work?

Yes, it is possible to make a decent living as an artist, but it's going to take a lot of hard work and dedication. The thing that has got to keep you going is a love of art that transcends money and comfort. If not making money is enough to scare you off from art, you aren't going to last.

There are a lot of things to take into consideration: Do you want to work for a studio? Do you want to do freelance? Do you want to do concept art? Do you want to do fine art paintings? Do you want to work in film, animation, or video games? Do you want to do independent animation or a webcomic? Do you want to do spot illustrations for magazines or websites? Do you want to do book covers? Does the thought of doing greeting card illustrations float your boat? And so and so forth. You need to zero in on your voice, and your market. I.e. if you want to forge your voice into an anime influenced style, you're not going to be someone that publishers call up when they want an illustration for a Dungeons and Dragons-esque fantasy novel cover.

Also, research your job market via job seeking websites, and learn and tailor your skills and resume to that market. You want to be a 3D animator? You go on job websites and search for 3D animation positions, and you're going to see software like Maya and 3D Studio Max pop up again and again again. Guess what? Better get cracking on learning that stuff if you want to be qualified and competitive.

There's also some basic common sense stuff; like having a portfolio website that is friendly to navigate for an art director looking for someone to work with and having said portfolio either tailored to your market or a segment of it tailored to your market. if a Disney art director clicks on your website and sees a portfolio consisting of nothing but hyper photo-realistic portraits, you're not getting a call back.

There's also having a social media presence on sites like instagram, behance, twitter, facebook, youtube, etc. Get good enough, and you can build a following and reputation making speed painting and tutorial videos on Youtube, or even get discovered by an animation studio via a cartoon short you upload. You can even do a similar thing with tutorials and opinions on a blog that you regularly update. The important thing is to become an expert and to cultivate the image and reputation of an expert. You will then draw followers to you, and your options become even wider: Patreon, Kickstarter, a CafePress shop selling prints, tshirts, etc. with your designs.

The bottom line is that you've got to ask yourself a lot of questions and introspect on what you want to do and then go for it. Also, be prepared to learn and fail and course correct as you grow as an artist, a business man and self-promoter. Keep in mind, not everyone has a business/promoter bone in their body: don't turn your nose up at the possibility of working with an agent, it is a valid option.

Here's also some books you might want to look into:

http://illustrationfriday.com/15-steps-to-freelance-illustration/

https://www.amazon.com/Artists-Market-2018-Where-Sell/dp/1440352836/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547169358&sr=1-1&keywords=artists+market

https://www.amazon.com/Graphic-Artists-Guild-Handbook-Guidelines/dp/1507206682/ref=pd_sim_14_3/132-7003686-1844920?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1507206682&pd_rd_r=7988450e-153e-11e9-9ab6-bffd06ef50b9&pd_rd_w=ggsLy&pd_rd_wg=hojZs&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=7YK6ESD7MVCMYKXB6G81&psc=1&refRID=7YK6ESD7MVCMYKXB6G81

https://www.amazon.com/Business-Legal-Forms-Illustrators-Crawford/dp/162153488X/ref=pd_sim_14_1/132-7003686-1844920?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=162153488X&pd_rd_r=827fa65e-153e-11e9-8494-1fa06fc889c5&pd_rd_w=mgj0r&pd_rd_wg=B1hFW&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=2MHQ4SHPBGMR9E748BYB&psc=1&refRID=2MHQ4SHPBGMR9E748BYB

https://www.amazon.com/Freelancers-Bible-Everything-Career-Dreams_On/dp/076116488X/ref=pd_sim_14_6/132-7003686-1844920?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=076116488X&pd_rd_r=827fa65e-153e-11e9-8494-1fa06fc889c5&pd_rd_w=mgj0r&pd_rd_wg=B1hFW&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=2MHQ4SHPBGMR9E748BYB&psc=1&refRID=2MHQ4SHPBGMR9E748BYB

Hope this is a good start. Do some researching on your own, and let me know if you have any questions.

God Bless!


f12df3  No.754621

>>754600

I am at awe at the detail of your response. I have learned greatly, never knew there was so much depth to drawing! Thank you so much for you attention..i must improve and train hard, and ask those questions to myself…God bless and may he gift you with sucess!



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