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 No.15830

The Abrahamic ones, Zoroastrianism and select Dharmic ones all more or less say reality on this earth is either foul, hopelessly flawed, an illusion, or otherwise there to be endured until they reach a far superior afterlife or otherwise go beyond it.

As far as I know, religions like those of the Mespotamians or Early Egyptians didn't have any sort of positive afterlife for the masses even among just devout worshippers (see Mespotamian afterlife being about the same as life). This surely would have encouraged one to show his excellence in the world around him (be it in war, the arts, the sciences…).

Meanwhile the Abrahamic religions preach of escape and encourage mediocrity (see the lack of accomplishments from Achmed, Christians who aren't White, Jews who aren't Ashkenazi).

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 No.15834

>>15830

I did a research paper for one of my history classes about early Christian monasticism, and I came up with a similar conclusion. These Abrahamic desert cults are pretty shit if a religious fanatic takes a deep hold on them.

>Christie-Burton, Douglas. The Word in the Desert. Pages 49-62, sections labelled “The Pagan Philosopher’s Quest for Holiness: Plotinus and his Circle” and “The Approach to Holiness in Desert Monasticism”.

I found this specific book that I was reading during my research to be quite interesting. The second section seem quite interesting. Information there shows a disdain for classical education and literature by Christians, and shows that Christians thought that the concepts of formal education and the study of classical pagan philosophy and other teachings was not good for someone seeking “holiness”. Rather, it suggests that breaking away from society, and not contributing by becoming a hermit in the desert (“monk”) was the best way to seek and find “holiness”. Furthermore, it states that classical philosophical and pagan education should be forgone and replaced with study of the Bible and other “sacred” texts. Saint Antony states that wisdom should be obtained by studying the Bible, and it does not require other special education.

Really activates my almonds.

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 No.15850

We should discourage all belief in a positive afterlife for the mass.

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 No.17519

Yeah.

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 No.17538

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>>15830

>Are all non-heathen religions doomed to be nihilistic

I'll try to answer some of your questions my friend.

Nihilism denies the existence of moral values and a meaning of life, it also questions the notion of truth itself and dwells in relativism. Most heathen [and non-heathen] religions believe in moral values, believe truth exists and is knowable (at least in part), and believe life has an ultimate meaning beyond our material whims and desires.

>and encouraging mediocrity?

Not at all. Christ encourages us to be perfect like our heavenly Father. Matt 5:48. We are taught that to sacrifice yourself for your comrade is a noble death and the highest sign of love; this has a big impact in war and times of conflict. In terms of moral character, virtue, charity and self-control we are held to a standard far beyond mediocrity.

We are also encouraged to add beauty to the world, pics related. A mediocre people would not be able to construct wonderful works of art.

>The Abrahamic ones, Zoroastrianism and select Dharmic ones all more or less say reality on this earth is either foul, hopelessly flawed, an illusion, or otherwise there to be endured until they reach a far superior afterlife or otherwise go beyond it.

To say that mankind is currently flawed is not cynical nor irrational, it's a matter of fact. But we are taught to improve this world and help our neighbor; everything matters, all our choices have an impact and last into eternity.

The superiority of the afterlife is not limited to a post-mortem existence, but it begins right now in this life, for those with eyes to see. That's why the scriptures say that "the kingdom of heaven is within you" and that your body is a "temple for the holy spirit". So there is much to marvel about and be hopeful for.

>Meanwhile the Abrahamic religions preach of escape and encourage mediocrity (see the lack of accomplishments from Achmed, Christians who aren't White)

We are taught that there is more to life than the visible, tangible and eatable, there is an inner-dimension we have access to that is invisible and infinite. This dimension carries on into eternity and is central to who we are and where we came from, if you think pondering matters of the soul is an escape I urge you to reconsider.

As for achievements, not all peoples can achieve greatness, there are environmental and biological limitations at play, regardless of ones religion.

>>15850

The communists tried that, and media is trying it now with rap music, #yolo movements, and making people associate "freedom" with "hedonism".

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 No.17607

>>17538

This is a great post tbh

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 No.17608

>>17538

I think I can tolerate christians coming to this board as long as theyre like you anon, you make a good argument for Christianity, but I am still loyal to the Heathen Gods.

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 No.17617

>>17607

>>17608

t. Christians.

We've been raided by you niggers for the past week since you kept getting btfo on other boards. Christians should not be tolerated on this board no matter how civil they are. They don't let us post on their boards so why should we let them post on ours?

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 No.17621

>>17617

yeah good point, ive been banned from christian, not even for saying pagan shit, but "racist" shit which makes it even funnier

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 No.17659

https://chechar.wordpress.com/2018/06/30/darkening-age-5/

>Celsus did not soften his attack either. This first assault on Christianity was vicious, powerful and, like Gibbon, immensely readable. Yet unlike Gibbon, today almost no one has heard of Celsus and fewer still have read his work. Because Celsus’s fears came true. Christianity continued to spread, and not just among the lower classes. Within 150 years of Celsus’s attack, even the Emperor of Rome professed himself a follower of the religion.

>What happened next was far more serious than anything Celsus could ever have imagined. Christianity not only gained adherents, it forbade people from worshipping the old Roman and Greek gods. Eventually, it simply forbade anyone to dissent from what Celsus considered its idiotic teachings. To pick just one example from many, in AD 386, a law was passed targeting those ‘who con­ tend about religion’ in public. Such people, this law warned, were the ‘disturbers of the peace of the Church’ and they ‘shall pay the penalty of high treason with their lives and blood’.

>Celsus paid his own price. In this hostile and repressive atmosphere his work simply disappeared. Not one single unadulterated volume of the work by Christianity’s first great critic has survived. Almost all information about him has vanished too, including any of his names except his last; what prompted him to write his attack; or where and when he wrote it. The long and inglorious Christian practice of censorship was now beginning.

>However, by a quirk of literary fate, most of his words have survived. Because eighty-odd years after Celsus fulminated against the new religion, a Christian apologist named Origen mounted a fierce and lengthy counter-attack. Origen was rather more earnest than his occasionally bawdy classical adversary. Indeed, it was said that Origen had even taken the words of Matthew 19:12 (‘For there are some eunuchs… which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake’) a little too much to heart and, in a fit of heavenly self-abnegation, castrated himself.

>Ironically, it was the very work that had been intended to demolish Celsus that saved him. No books of Celsus have survived the centuries untouched, true—but Origen’s attack has and it quoted Celsus at length. Scholars have therefore been able to extract Celsus’s arguments from Origen’s words, which preserved them like flies in amber. Not all of the words—perhaps only seventy per cent of the original work has been recovered. Its order has gone, its structure has been lost and the whole thing, as Gibbon put it, is a ‘mutilated representation’ of the original. But nevertheless we have it…

>In the ensuing centuries, texts that contained such dangerous ideas paid a heavy price for their ‘heresy’. As has been lucidly argued by Dirk Rohmann, an academic who has produced a comprehensive and powerful account of the effect of Christianity on books, some of the greatest figures in the early Church rounded on the atomists. Augustine disliked atomism for precisely the same reason that atomists liked it: it weakened mankind’s terror of divine punishment and Hell. Texts by philosophical schools that championed atomic theory suffered.

>The Greek philosopher Democritus had perhaps done more than anyone to popularize this theory—though not only this one. Democritus was an astonishing polymath who had written works on a breathless array of other topics. A far from complete list of his titles includes: On History; On Nature; the Science of Medicine; On the Tangents of the Circle and the Sphere; On Irrational Lines and Solids; On the Causes of Celestial Phenomena; On the Causes of Atmospheric Phenomena; On Reflected Images… The list goes on. Today Democritus’s most famous theory is his atomism. What did the other theories state? We have no idea: every single one of his works was lost in the ensuing centuries. As the eminent physicist Carlo Rovelli recently wrote, after citing an even longer list of the philosopher’s titles: ‘the loss of the works of Democritus in their entirety is the greatest intellectual tragedy to ensue from the collapse of the old classical civilisation’…

>Celsus wasn’t merely annoyed at the lack of education among these people. What was far worse was that they actually celebrated ignorance. They declare, he wrote, that ‘Wisdom in this life is evil, but foolishness is good’—an almost precise quotation from Corinthians. Celsus verges on hyperbole, but it is true that in this period Christians gained a reputation for being uneducated to the point of idiotic; even Origen, Celsus’s great adversary, admitted that ‘the stupidity of some Christians is heavier than the sand of the sea.’

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 No.17667

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>>17617

Yes, whether seemingly cordial their purpose known to them or not is to create new converts in the aspect outlined by jews. If someone kindly or forcibly asks you to destroy the idols of your ancestors it is an afront to your coherent existence as separate from others, especially from a multicultural group. The Christians wish to bring all things under one roof.

>>17538

>>believe life has an ultimate meaning beyond our material whims and desires

Ha, that is nothingness. The material has always been important and will always be so, it is whether the whim or desire is useful for a greater purpose or not. I see value in myself that my father desired a woman of good stock instead of thinking this was a material desire and to not be discriminating when it came to which woman he would pick. I see value in that I am of the same race as both my father and mother, I can't imagine the feeling someone must have if their parents believed in some greater "truth" beyond the material and now their offspring was born a weirdo.

>>Matthew 5

Ah, the doctrine of jews to the goyim, "Make yourself perfect for (((us))) to shear you". Historically you've been taught to sacrifice for your Church, not for your nation and this Church existed outside of your nation and you were meant to listen to it over the commands of your King. How has those wars benefited your nation? Where is the King now?

>>we are held to a standard far beyond mediocrity.

Oh then what if the poor were brought to their location by their lack of self-control? Should they still get gains by your doctrine?

>>pics related

Those are all works based off of those by Romans, even your cross. Why is that Christians in art continuously delve into pagan mythologies for depictions? Aren't you happy with no idols and just some text to pour over.

>>A mediocre people would not be able to construct wonderful works of art.

Ruins. All your pic related does not have a living memory to most of your kind, it is not meaningful to them in their daily lives. There's a reason why your kind destroyed similar artifacts when it came to power in Rome, it was to do the same thing in breaking the living memory to such art.

>>mankind is currently flawed is not cynical nor irrational, it's a matter of fact

A nebulous statement, our bodies work well enough and if brought up goodly in mind we don't fall into debauchery. This was before you imprinted women with the imagery of cucking their husband and the sanctity for men to be eunuchs.

>>there is an inner-dimension we have access to that is invisible and infinite. This dimension carries on into eternity and is central to who we are and where we came from, if you think pondering matters of the soul is an escape I urge you to reconsider

Both invisible and infinite, sounds again like nothingness, Gapvarginnunga.

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 No.17668

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 No.17672

>>17668

good argument

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 No.17679

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>>17668

Fuck off, fedora.

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 No.17680

>>15830

Of course, you can't enslave people who are exceptional.

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 No.17683

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 No.17709

>>17668

I am not sure what this image implies, but I would like to state that you can not be religious and reject evolution, the belief in a creator God is the belief in aliens, because only something material can create, while the divine changed reality in accordance with their divine nature.

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 No.17760

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>>17679

Fedora or not, hes right.

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 No.17792

>>17760

So sequestering all your brightest and most literate people in book repositories and preventing them from breeding, spreading knowledge and working on projects has absolutely no effect on the overall level of advancement of a people? Man, intuition really doesn't serve well in this wonderful world of yours.

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 No.18502

>>15834

>break away an be a monk

>study the religion instead of living life

this is literally Orthodox judaism

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 No.18503

>>17792

You think that christianity has been making stupid people outbreed smart people? That's the crux of your argument?

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