/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

>>25647

Ok, I see what you mean, minecraft doesn't make good looking silhouettes, just boxes, whereas devil daggers makes tons of unique and interesting ones.

Good low poly tries to avoid looking low poly, bad low poly does it because looking like shit is a "hip" visual style.

>>25664

Seriously? Those models look pretty decent, but mojang was that fucking incompetent?

>>25665

You have no idea.

The only reason Minecraft is a thing is cause notch got pissy when WURMOnline added dragons. He left and made his own game with obfuscated code so he had total control. Its really a shame as it is a great genre but was started by a piece of shit that ran in a browser.

>>25666

There's better ways to do it.

Then again, mods exist and fix a lot of shit.

>>25667

My point is that the original, that started the genre, was based in the browser. Modding happened after it was popular. If we had better games around that point then the genre would not be as shitty as it is as they would be a baseline for what is 'good'.

>>25668

Fair enough.

What I'd love to do is make a less shit Minecraft, but I'm not nearly good enough at coding or art to justify working on it i'm a heck of an ideaguy though :^)

>>25670

If you want to start learning programming then start up gamemaker or another simple engine and make pong.

Dont worry about syntax or other specifics unless you know what language you want to use, at this point you want to learn the basic ways that things work and how to use those to your advantage.

Having common sense and a logical mindset works wonders as well.

Forgot to mention in >>25671 that you can also work with MineTest. Its a framework for minecraft like games written in c++. Try to make that your end goal.

Also learning code is like learning a language. each language (c++, java, python, etc) has their own nuances, but they are mostly the same logic wise. Focusing on learning the logic behind a language is what will allow you to learn the syntax and other specific features.

>>25673

the reflection and shadows are textures :^)

>>25685

I love this!

>>25701

I used the standard blender/gimp for >>25685 but tbh gimp is not a pixel art tool so I'd personally recommend asesprite for textures if you're going to get serious, because that's what I'll use if I get serious.

>>25701

I should also mention that some advanced techniques like dithering look fucking awful when translated from pixels to texels.

>>25703

thanks brocephalus :D

Minecraft isn't lowpoly, it's just shit developer art.

Like anything else graphical, making lowpoly look nice is all about the skill of the artist.

>>25791

How do I do this? Also, did you do more of V.C.? I love that game sone much! I hope that the SEGA Canvas engine is made open source someday, I'd love to make new missions.

>>25791

Just played VC since this thread. Her race represents Jews.

>>25808

>Minecraft isn't lowpoly, it's just shit developer art.

This. A good artist can make good art using any medium.

>>25682

what

>>25673

Word. I dont understand why people put textures in these games... they end up looking worse!!

>>25685

Reminds me of Megaman Legends. I like it.

>>28366

I really appreciate the work that went into this. It was made by a true craftsman.

>>25646

You seem to have a misunderstanding about MineCraft, while it features low poly models, it does not feature a low poly style. MineCrafts "art style" is simply programmer placeholder art.

>>28366

Decent looking model but holy shit that UV map makes me puke.

>>28429

There are many, below I've listed a couple off the top of my head.

Games (Not necessarily good games, but they all render voxels better);

No Mans Sky, Landmark, Planet Explorers, Star Forge (Terrain is voxels, building blocks are displayed with 3D tilesets (How all cube volex games should be doing it))

Engines; Voxel Farm, Atomontage Engine

>>28429

It's because of Minecraft. Since Minecraft does it, everyone else has to, too. People who think original thoughts when making games are unbelievably rare.

>No Mans Sky, Landmark, Planet Explorers, Star Forge

Tech demos don't count.

>>28449

Show what else you've made than these models. Where's your game?

>>28451

Pretty aggressive there, m8. I'll post it when the time comes - until then, I'll resort to posting things I'm currently working on.

>>28454

Try working on video games next time.

>>28457

>being mean on the internet is not allowed!

>>28456

try being less of a faggot next time. The main reason it's taking me this much to be satisfied with the model is that I have a severe case of malignant perfectionism.

>>28458

There's a difference between being aggressive to prove a point and being a butthurt faggot. Guess which you are.

> I have a severe case of malignant perfectionism.

Enjoy never getting anything done.

>>28459

>There's a difference between being aggressive to prove a point and being a butthurt faggot.

Guess we know who you are

>>28449

>Give me your ideas

Don't focus so much on PvP, that's what kills these kinds of games. It's not the quality of the PvP, because that's just gameplay in general, but it's the fact that you draw in teenagers that just roam in packs and destroy everything on the server. if you're fine with your game turning into dumb faction war bullshit between 12 year olds, then go ahead and focus it on being a rust clone, but if you want a good community that doesnt just poison every server and make the game into cowadooty with crafting, don't have "an emphasis" on pvp. Add some co-op mechanics that make mindless killing and KOS niggery a loss for the aggressor.

>>28429

Minecraft isn't actually Voxel, its Polygons. all the cubes are 6 sided polygons with 12 triangles. its not using voxel technology.

>>28449

instead of being a piece of shit like rust, make it so people are incentivized to help each other. After a person gets to a certain goal or level, they can sign up for certain jobs. Like sheriff, farmer, miner, bandit ect...

people can set create towns or cities, the closer people live to each other the safer they are and the better they will do, but you don't have to live in a town or city.

>>28488

maybe a town needs resources to expand, they have a sign where they say what they need and someone or a group can take the job.

create general shops and such. you don't need money, barter system would work.

>>28489

so a worm online clone?

>>28449

Use either directional blocking like Warband or Chivalry style combat. Not saying it would be easy to implement, but when done right, both require skill, timing, dexterity, whatever you want to call it. I would guess that Chivalry's would be harder to implement. More complex animations.

If you're emphasizing PVP, don't involve levels, and don't include OP gear. In Chivalry, shields wear down stamina and can't be used because you eventually just get your block broken, in Warband, your shield eventually just breaks after like ~7 hits (and, in the meantime, if your timing is bad, you'll get hit if you get tricked into starting a swing if it's on your opponents' "tempo")

>>28508

>>28508

Also, don't include OP bullshit gear. If I spend 2,000 hours learning your combat system, I should be able to take gear I earn in 20 minutes and beat some autistic retard who has been building up gear for 50 hours, in Minecraft it's just click spam and potions so whoever has the best potions/armor/enchantments wins, which basically means whoever is the most autistic wins. Warband had a mod called Battle of Europe which increased the effectiveness of armor, slashing weapons would basically bounce off of all good armor (pretty much anything better than full chainmail), but if I had a mace or a strong piercing weapon I could still take on a guy in plate armor, but he would have a strong advantage because he could use a fast cutting weapon like a sword which is particularly effective against unarmored targets; this is one way to grant players who invest huge amounts of time a big bonus without making more skilled players who are new to the server totally ineffectual in combat. If you want to have a PVP focus, then, in my opinion, people need to be able to build bases that can't be broken into immediately if they're not there. One way to do this would be to have players place an enchanted block inside structures (e.g. towers/bunkers/whatever) which prevent non-allies from building/mining anything within a certain squared area around them. To make it fair, I would suggest a siege system, depending on how active your players would be, here's how it would work.

-Group A builds a castle

-Group A buys powerblocks which prevent people from just punching down the gate/walls/mining underneath/building over

-Powerblocks are relatively cheap to start so you can get a small initial castle, but increase in cost at a linear rate; requiring maintenance of powerblocks could be extremely annoying, forcing players to do boring ass bullshit instead of working on improvements (latter is somewhat fun, former isn't) so be careful with this

-Group B wants to besiege Group A. How do we get around the bullshit system of B only wanting to attack when A is online but prohibiting B from attacking when A is offline empowering defenders by encouraging them to leave? Siege towers.

-Group B places a construction sign, in an arbitrary amount of time, let's say 48 hours, a battering ram will appear, for an arbitrary period of time, let's say an hour, the attackers will be able use the ram to ram through gates; you should figure out some way to make it impossible to have a castle without a gate that can fit through a cart, one way to do this is to require castles to have carts of grain sent to a central flag which the castle is built around, this would then pretty much require players build central castles with "strong/expensive" powerblocks (longer period between when you can besiege, make it somewhat harder to bash down the gates), and after those are built, they need to build farms (which require more space than can fit within a main castle), ideally which autogrow/are harvested by NPC peasants who can be captured or killed in a siege, and then around this they would put a wall with a cheaper/less effective version of powerblocks, let's just say Powerblock II means if enemies put down a battering ram they can attack after a 24 hour period. Another thing would be sallying, in the case of Powerblock II if the defenders are around the construction sign 30 minutes before the battle, they can attack it and destroy it and stop the siege temporarily, in the case of

>>28509

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Powerblock I if the defenders attack the sign 1 hour before the ram is designated to appear for the assault to begin, they can destroy it and delay/stop the siege. What this would mean is that if I am an attacker I have to sit around my stuff and defend it for an hour, and the time delay beforehand serves the purpose of enabling both the attackers and defenders to have as many guys on as possible. It would be in my opinion a little unfair for the attackers to have no defense of their construction sign, so I think a Powerblock III could work, but you can only place wooden defenses in it (e.g. a palisade), instead of any delay between attacking or whatever like with powerblock I/II all that happens is that attackers (the defenders sallying forth to attack the besiegers defending their construction area) can move up to a wall, place a ladder, and raise it in let's say 5 seconds, and if no sallying-defender walks on the ladder it can be pushed down off the wall by the "defending" besiegers after 5 seconds, this would mean that if I besiege your castle and build a little wooden fort outside of it I have to defend it for an hour where u can only attack it by using a latter to move up the relatively short walls (limit the height), it forces you to go through a chokepoint but it doesn't prevent you from attacking. If this system ends up favoring besiegers too much, you could give defenders the ability to make a sacrifice to the gods or something, enabling them to attack a besiegers' fort for 20 minutes with a 10 hour warning at any point (instead of getting to attack only 1 hour or 30 minutes before the battering ram appears).

This is just basically my idea of how to fix Minecraft's shitty faction mod. If you have 3 retards with the best gear, 4-6 skilled players will probably be able to besiege you and win.

I have no idea how spawning/respawning should work with such a system. Having a dangerous word like the nether which is "smaller" which you can portal in and out to would be a cool idea, like if I wanted a fast way to invade your base I'd have to go into Hell and build a tunnel that moves in the direction of your base let's say 200 blocks to cover 1000 blocks in the "real world" (i.e. I place a portal into hell at point A, move 500 blocks east, put portal in hell, come out in the real world 2500 blocks east of point A). A rip off, but a cool idea.

Minecraft is a RTS masquerading as an MMO masquerading as an action game. The combat would be completely acceptable if you had a large field of units that would each trade blows as if they were clickspamming each other; hell, the game already has some terrain advantages (water slows you down to the point that a competent archer will never have to worry about melee, trees block arrows and offer ambush opportunities). However,in one-on-one combat it's completely fucked. The only way to win is to have better gear. Terrain advantages just aren't enough unless you have a bow and the other guy doesn't (that is, you have better gear). And the game's so poorly optimized, you need a top-tier gayman peecee or a dedicated server before you can handle anything better than 3v3 battles.

I want a 1st person Age of Empires, honestly. Let me command an army in a blocky world.

>>28512

You haven't seen modern versions of Minecraft. There is now a timer based swing system where you will produce the biggest damage while attacking to a timer; spamming the swings will produce negligible damage. There are also sweeps and craftable shields. All together, it dramatically changes the PvP battle dynamics for Minecraft.

https://youtu.be/R9Yd_3cD2yk?t=1m07s

>>28521

Yeah I'm sure there's not a super easy hack that lets you swing at the zenith of the timer every single time...

>>28521

Yeah, and everybody ignores it.

People made plugins to restore the old behavior. People just straight-up ignore the new mechanics, and don't use axes or craft shields. Some people bitched about their gaming mice being invalidated.

Help me, I love the game's potential but the fandom is cancer and so is the dev team.

>>28521

>>28527

Oh, and PvE is still shit because enemies do contact damage or spam arrows when you get close. Skeletons have just as much DPS at two blocks out as a zombie has to start (granted, zombies get a damage boost as they take hits...which is also annoyingly un-telegraphed, because they do contact damage and there's no attack animation to convey to the player that they're gonna hit).

>>28487

>Minecraft isn't actually Voxel

imo that just makes the whole indeh "voxel revival" even worse when voxel-based games now have to fend against any visuals that would call to mind Minecraft (unless they're shitheads intentionally banking on Minecraft's still-remaining popularity)

>>28993

>quit making game because they added dragons

>make own game

>don't know how to finish it

>add dragons to game

>sell for billions