No.3318
This is the most transparent media psy-op since "Gamers are Dead" three years ago. There was a thread on /pol/ trying to determine its origin, and no one was exactly sure. There's no question it was deployed across multiple mainstream platforms all at once in a clear act of collusion, right before the Washington Post released its supposed master list of "fake news" sites.
Funny thing is, it's completely spun out of control, since it was laughably easy for Trump, his supporters, and the blacklisted "fake news" sites to throw the label right back at the MSM. It was a totally incompetent move on the MSM's part; it seems they're resorting to cheap gimmicks in an attempt to regain the public's trust.
Thoughts?
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No.3319
But you must know /pol/ is fake news and an unreliable source for information. To form opinions from information or to think that events happen as said on there or any news source is a mistake considering how controlled information is.
The self-proclaimed fake news sites that stretch the limits of satire beyond humour look like psyops to me. Are those the fake news sites you mean?
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No.3320
I think it was set up to be a failure just like Trump was set up to be the "enemy of the system" by the very same MSM.
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No.3323
>>3319
>/pol/ is fake news
What does that even mean? /pol/ is a discussion board, not a journalistic source (usually).
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No.3329
>>3323
Well... They usually use information that comes second-hand from a news source, and they discuss old news that has become so old it seems like first-hand discussion instead of the dated and third-hand news it actually is.
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No.3335
>>3329
The problem is we have reached a state of affairs that it doesn't matter whether things are truth or lies because it gets said all the same.
And especially with the recent memetic push and correlating polarisation, I'm forced to conclude that whatever's on the table plays now. There was an excellent piece on the political situation on 8pol which gave the left a lot of credit for their operational set up. But suffice to say. The west is entering a civil war setting. Both sides are clamouring for the other's blood and that will not swiftly abate. Though I hope I'm wrong I do imagine that the derangement syndrome the left has from trump will spill out into society at large. Normalcy bias may win out however and this may all just be noise and fury that signifies nothing. But something tells me that if the dems get in again they're going to go full retribution on whites for this.
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No.3341
>>3318
Pretty sure the term "fake news" came from Jon Stewart.
Back in the Dubya presidency, on several occasions, Jon used the term to describe the Daily Show.
Here's an article by Salon a couple years ago that uses the term in the headline. https://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/jon_stewart_signing_off_daily_show_fake_newscast_for_real/
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No.3342
>>3341
The term might originate there.
Have you seen websites like these though:
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/
They're devoted to fake news, disinfo or lying however you put it. The Onion does a similar thing except they're not as transparently humorous as The Onion. I reckon there's a lot of websites like the above pumping out 'fake news' stories. Search 'Rockefeller 7th heart transplant' for example and you can see how the story 'went viral' from the above fake news site, then to social media and other places. If 'fake news' is a social problem to be tackled; as I heard in headlines, then this kind of thing would seem to be the only sensible meaning. What else could it mean? It's not clear in your article.
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No.3362
>>3342
It goes back further than that. The tabloids like Weekly World News have catered to an audience for years. They even have an alien that's predicted every president since Regan I think.
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No.3378
So now we have a wikipedia article to define 'fake news' for us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news.
I checked some news websites like the Guardian to see what articles they have about 'fake news'. The term is so broad they discuss whether it includes satire or not. The news coverage I've seen doesn't hinge on or stick to a specific 'talking point' like you might expect of an important story, it's more like they're regurgitating the words 'fake news' in reference to everything from bad fact checking to stuff like 'zuh KGB seeding phony media outlets and phony stories to inflame dissent'. It's like a meme.
The other side to this is when Trump or some other politician calls news networks 'fake news', like as a way of getting back at them. I watched this BBC interview of one of Trump's 'deputy assistants', which shows one of the ways the concept might be used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFK3tbkNX-A. This guy with his villainous beard explains that the media coverage is so hostile to Trump that they intend to bypass news networks and go straight to the people with info. It's surprising to me that even FOX news is hostile to Trump, so I suppose it would make sense to undermine the news networks if all of them are giving him bad coverage. Maybe he'll start with a new amazon-prime series of The Apprentice.
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No.3379
>>3378
Look through the page history. Here is the oldest version (note didn't appear until a month ago)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fake_news&oldid=760200977
But there are articles from last fall linked to in the references. I'll bet you can get more if you slog through the history and talk pages on wikipedia.
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No.3394
>>3379
>didn't appear until a month ago
That makes it look a bit like a manufactured issue. What 'fake news' is leading to may be more important than what it actually is.
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No.3410
>>3318
The old news media is dying and newer quicker and uncontrollable sources of information have sprung up in our cybernetic society.
We no longer have to pay for our newspaper or watch our network news to get our new. The only news sources have gone from the small choices corporate outlets gave us, to the entire internet where anyone can be a journalist.
Anyone can be a journalist, but that's not a bad thing. Sure there are fake sources that will dupe the non-critical reader, but even then it's difficult due to the democratic nature of the internet. Comment systems and the lack of a story spreading basically deems validity. Meaning that popular sources are under a microscope by their viewer.
The corporations have their footholds on bigger mediums like twitter and facebook, but they're too difficult to control and don't play by the same rules as the old media.
Fake news stemmed from the control issue the corporate news media aka state mouthpiece have been having with controlling the narrative.
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No.3413
>>3410
>We no longer have to pay for our newspaper or watch our network news to get our new.
This is the primary reason why the newspapers have all turned into public advocacy groups in order to obtain foundation money.
The death of the direct media is highly correlated with its unprofitability.
The trouble now is they anticipated this development and created the indirect media: Facebook, Twitter etc.
They still hold all the keys for them, it's not likely that they will be usurped from their position.
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No.3414
>>3410
>The old news media is dying and newer quicker and uncontrollable sources of information have sprung up in our cybernetic society.
I was polled by a newspaper survey about online news. The person (I didn't ask xir's gender so i'll avoid assuming their prounoun) asked me my gender with 3 options, said that newspapers are considering giving up print and that The Guardian has 75% of the online readership. How's that for cyberpunk?
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No.3515
>>3341
>Pretty sure the term "fake news" came from Jon Stewart.
This.
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No.3517
This was linked by Wikileaks a few weeks ago on their twitter.
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/exclusive-documents-expose-direct-us-military-intelligence-influence-on-1-800-movies-and-tv-shows-36433107c307
Or in archive if you want that.
https://archive.fo/2UOhz
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No.3589
>>3319
oh great a shill. /pol/ isn't fake news, /pol/ is a discussion board that finds the truth. the /pol/ mods are another story since they are shills themselves and ban, delete, and censor anyone and anything that gets too close to the truth.
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No.3595
>>3378
>It's surprising to me that even FOX news is hostile to Trump
Don't know if they still are (or were in february), but remember the GOP debates? It was insulting how blatant they were. Rubio and Jeb! got softballs, rand got ignored, and trump got attacked. At one point the moderators essentially told fiorina to just shit on trump for a couple minutes, I almost thought they wanted everyone to know they were picking sides.
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