/32/ - Psychopolitics

Another idea is that they just might be immoral sociopaths that believe in nothing

>>2174

That too, but most seem to be way too invested into this

I'm seeing some patterns in these trolls-SJW

There seems to be a trend of mediocrity and unfulfilled goals among this group. Like some if not most trolls manage to have a life on the side and sometimes leave the 'playing field' because they don't have any free time anymore.

But not the SJW, I have yet to meet one whose life isn't below-average. That might explain one constant in their discourse: revanchism

Either now that they are extreme-left or (as seen in cases like nyberg) when they were extreme-right they all seem to share this tendency to demand reparations. Most of them don't even fall into categories that could really be considered unprivileged and yet they all demand that the world should compensate them for some old grievance which was most likely caused by their own asocial behavior

So its not surprising that they latched to social justice which is both an erratic non-empirical movement and based mostly around the idea of revanchism over true progress and development. Most SJ-based ideologies have as a dogma that wealth should be distributed, no matter the origin of such wealth or if the future recipients deserve it or not.

Its not about creating something but about taking credit for it, and most SJW happen to contribute little if anything to the fields they invade, but they all demand money and recognition

Social justice allows them to troll people while getting money and fame out of it. The social justice movement makes no pretense of sticking to any sort of rules of war-- anything they do to attack straight white men is justified because it's being done on behalf of the oppressed, and any counterattack is wholly illegitimate because it's being done by a majority group. They can be as mean to people as they want and the diversity advocates of the world will back them up no matter what. They can get money from high level business leaders in the tech industry who want to promote diversity for the sake of driving down worker's wages (plus maybe some amount of genuine belief in the cause of social justice). If they're ever counterattacked, they can rise from obscurities to feminist celebrities (e.g. Quinn, Wu, and Sarkeesian) without needing any actual accomplishments by taking their story to leaders in the social justice movement, who will use heavily biased versions of their stories (if not outright lies) to claim that these are innocent women being attacked by misogynists for daring to criticize sexism.

What about known trolls who have done the opposite? gone from neutral(appearing) internet trolls to rightwing-affiliated ideologues?

-Justine Tunney

-Weev

-Sam Hyde

The radicalization aspect is real interesting.

>>2181

That's the thing, they are keeping the original troll idea of just pissing people off. Right now being right-wing in the west its social poison, never before there has been a higher level of political polarization during peacetime.

Those trolls you name noticed long ago this trend and how most liberals and progressives have an almost dogmatic tendency to just reject anything that might inconvenience them and their belief these trolls go and kick the right-wing into overdrive, specially in the case of weev who went full nazi.

They do this because they want to piss people off, that's all.

But the ex-trolls who are now SJWs they only care about money and actual connection. This goes back to what I said here >>2179 . Because most of them are mediocre at best they look for actual gains. They don't care about having fun pissing off people and many of them keep their old beliefs intact no matter the conflict with SJWism.

The irony is that they end up doing far more damage than the old trolls did because as SJW they get some degree of legitimacy while nobody would take a troll very seriously.

a lot of the old Something Awful goonsquad has become populated by middle-aged autists that are easily manipulated by feminist vaginal oligarchs. SA in turn converted quite a few of the Encyclopedia Dramatica oldfags like Weev for a time and they even taught feminists SJWs the tools of online and media trolling in exchange for sex.

>>2477

weev himself even admitted to being used like this and having trained an SJW in forum trolling and intentional doxxing

>>2478

Are you talking about Shanley Kane?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry/ (https://archive.is/hMqwa)

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Shanley_kane (https://archive.is/PYxio)

They've made a career out of their hobby. A butcher doesn't care what meat goes under the knife.

>>2173

They are the ultimate people management class.

The important thing to consider is that - whatever the reason - some people have the urge to control communities and get along with the big guys (mainly administrators) - eventually they inherit the position, if they are smart enough. That is the survival of the fittest in itself. Obviously, these extremely-social characters might suffer from some mental condition causing this behaviour in the first place.

Once you consider that, and accept that is what they love, you have to ask yourself - what possible job is accessible to those people? This is where it stems from.

The new job market for them is the community managers and (by government acceptable) activism, which today is social justice. In some cases they do not have strictly defined jobs, but patreons and crowd-funding have proven to by as reliable as job bureau, and if they have collage education they progress as academics from that point.

So to keep it short, they are making their own jobs within (by today's standards) acceptable framework. I consider it to be somewhat revolutionary, on par as if someone told you that the future people will be artists because all jobs are occupied by machines. For them, we are the machines, and they don't want our jobs anyway.

I encourage you all to checkout True Believer. Specifically the part about converts:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer#Part_2._The_Potential_Converts

The key points laid over this question of SJWs:

1. Alienation. Not having traditional social fabric/support, sense of belonging, and meaningful rites of passage leading to firm role in community. Obviously this applies to many people in Western societies and particularly to people drawn to Chan culture.

2. Unmet economic expectations. He calls them "the new poor" but it can simply mean someone raised in say, a solidly middle class family during good economic times who comes of age in deteriorating markets with reduced opportunity. Certainly this applies to millenials even before we consider the load of unrealistic expectations we were fed by the "self esteem" movement and Western aspirational culture/marketing in general.

3. Misfits. This is vague in the wiki, but he's lassoing all the people who would likely be discontent and disenfranched such as the physically and mentally ill. Along with that we include the frustrated underachievers, genuinely wronged by some establishment, and those who are simply miserable but unwilling to improve by healthy means. Ring any bells?

The book makes a point to explain that these generally unhappy people can easily join any mass movement which offers them a sense of belonging, empowerment, and purpose. Further they can easily switch ideologies because the words are secondary to the function of emotionally compensating for their discontentment.

Mass movements demand a stripping away of individuality. For these flexible converts, they already feel self loathing. Their unsatisfying and unexamined lives are willing plastic.

Finally, in case of progressive politics, the movement has solidified as an establishment which offers economic and social advancement beyond what many misfits could achieve -- unless they become true believers.

>>2484

This is what I came here to post. The only things you need to be a goon are two complementary traits: sadistic personality disorder and a rigid adherence to the game-theoretic principle of screwing over everyone who's not your own. Switching to progressivism is a technology upgrade. They're Burroughs's "shit", a person who has degenerated to the level of a virus, which then infests healthy communities and turns them into factories for its own kind (which, typically, either cripples or kills the host).

>>2487

This is hardly revolutionary. Who are preachers and teachers but a "people management class"?

>>2173

It would be interesting to see a demographic study done on this crowd. I'm not too familiar with them, but from what I can tell, they mostly come from middle-class backgrounds, and while they spent the entirety of their formative years on the Internet, they're a bit of a different animal that the stereotypical basement dweller who can't get a job because of social impairment. Instead, they show a fair bit of ambition in networking with each other and carving out these e-begging careers.

One trait that's remained constant in both their troll phase and their SJW phase is a streak of anger and pure hatred, and I'm curious what factors in their life caused them to turn out like that. I personally suspect that a lot of them were abused in some way, sexually or otherwise. Pedophile Sarah Butts almost certain was sexually abused, and there were rumors during GG (never confirmed) that Zoe Quinn was too, and that's why she lived with relatives.

>>2729

There's no reliable demographic data. We can see patterns and how they drive behavior. See:

>>2694

>1. Alienation. Not having traditional social fabric/support, sense of belonging, and meaningful rites of passage leading to firm role in community. Obviously this applies to many people in Western societies and particularly to people drawn to Chan culture.

>2. Unmet economic expectations. He calls them "the new poor" but it can simply mean someone raised in say, a solidly middle class family during good economic times who comes of age in deteriorating markets with reduced opportunity. Certainly this applies to millenials even before we consider the load of unrealistic expectations we were fed by the "self esteem" movement and Western aspirational culture/marketing in general.

>3. Misfits. This is vague in the wiki, but he's lassoing all the people who would likely be discontent and disenfranched such as the physically and mentally ill. Along with that we include the frustrated underachievers, genuinely wronged by some establishment, and those who are simply miserable but unwilling to improve by healthy means. Ring any bells?

>>2694

> and those who are simply miserable but unwilling to improve by healthy means. Ring any bells?

This, fucking this

>>2702

>and a rigid adherence to the game-theoretic principle of screwing over everyone who's not your own.

>who's not your own.

And yet goons/sjws constantly screw each other, and I'm fairly sure most of them hate the rest of the people in their group and just keep appearances for the sake of PR

Like when this crazy tranny "brianna" wu went slightly pro-gamergate with some comments all the sjws that used to agree with him suddenly well full-bitch-mode at how ugly he is and how shitty him game is. All the praise and bullshit about how an amazing "woman" he is and how great the rev60 game was gone in an instant

>They're Burroughs's "shit", a person who has degenerated to the level of a virus, which then infests healthy communities and turns them into factories for its own kind

Can't find anything on that, got a link?

>>2729

Some sjws are rich spoiled brats that never had to lift a finger to do anything and thus are now realizing they are below average in pretty much everything so instead of trying to improve themselves they resort to victimization and talking about how unfair society is

But yeah the majority are middle or lower middle class

>Instead, they show a fair bit of ambition in networking with each other and carving out these e-begging careers.

Well thats not hard really, compare that with an actual job, I seen people put more effort into a counter-strike match (ie: teamwork, learning the map, practicing) that these idiots did with their media coordination

They use a lot of extortion and coercion to get the coverage they want, like threatening a blogger to twitter-bomb them if they don't comply

>Zoe Quinn was too, and that's why she lived with relatives.

Well she was a trailer park skank so you never know, but a lot of abusers were never abused, just like a lot of criminals weren't the victims of crimes, just psychopaths

Perhaps the pattern is thus.

>Online troll forums develop attracting these types.

>allure of manipulating their victims for a reaction, perhaps submission or anger( perhaps magnified by a cult-like environment, but I am not sure).

>PC-Culture develops and presents them with a means of manipulating once more; social pressures contorted by 'offensiveness'

>Allure of submission from social superiors, magnified by cult-like behavior

>Essentially moving from one form of manipulation to another

Here are some consistencies I have come to find among them :

opt. = not always present as a trait

req. = always present as a trait

You will notice an center attraction : Social power.

>always unattractive(req.)

Attractiveness is a very fulfilling thing, especially for highly social creatures like these people who search out for social approval and power.

>iconoclastic appearance; dyed hair/piercings/odd clothing(opt.)

Woman of this sort wear makeup, dye their hair, anything to appear different, special, something that will fulfill their endless hunger partially for acceptance but mostly for social power and manipulation.

It is optional because men do not always do this, unless they want to 'fit in'. Women do this to attract men, men cannot do this to attract women and so the prevalence is much lower.

There also are a minutia of women in the community who do not do this out of principle, but who are still not attractive.

>thin skin(req.)

They stretch basic criticism, they magnify and inflame their wounds, they are experts at converting rational criticism to irrational hatred. Once again a way to gain attention and sympath, and thereby social power.

There are more traits that can be discussed, but their end goals are social power.

These are unconfident people who are taking the subversive and easy way of garnering power.

>>3199

>Essentially moving from one form of manipulation to another

I think you are right with this, but it is not PC culture that developed on its own presenting them with a means of manipulation. It is that they themselves subverted existing spaces in order to make them easily manipulated. Those very same people will move from one social space to the next like locusts.

The way they rebuilt original sin using the leftist framework is fascinating. Those that were god-fearing, conformist Christians didn't disappear they just changed ideology. When modern leftism disappears they will just flock to the next big thing, probably the Alt-right, or something else entirely and subvert it all the same.

I think one of our biggest faults is mistaking personal growth with social growth.

>>3199

>There also are a minutia of women in the community who do not do this out of principle, but who are still not attractive.

What do you mean with this?

>>3266

>Those that were god-fearing, conformist Christians didn't disappear they just changed ideology.

Yeah, there's a paranoid christian vibe in most SJWs, you got cases like movie bob who were conservatives that used to put a US flag on everything and now they are anti-west, coincidence? I don't think so

>When modern leftism disappears they will just flock to the next big thing, probably the Alt-right

Doubt it, in the era of the internet their past would weight heavy on them and while people like zoe quinn used to be trolls that was a non-public persona hiding behind an avatar while their SJW persona is their public persona and how they are widely know

Most SJWs are trading long term stability for short term visibility and once the SJW movement collapses the backlash is going to be brutal, but then again most SJWs have very self-destructive tendencies so they are probably okay with that outcome

>>2173

Blame discordianism if nothing else

>>3270

>their past would weight heavy on them

>implying anyone but corporate hiring agencies, intelligence agencies and dedicated aspergers trolls will bother to check the past