No.1968
Can we talk for a moment about this trip user on /pol/?
They trip with the name Rach and avatar with photos of Rachel Maddow on /pol/ and news boards.
Now, whoever is doing this, has been doing it for some time. And they do it on /pol/ and /n/ here. These boards have tradition of antagonizing anything overtly "leftie" in appearance- something that the person posting as Rach obviously knows. So they are using Maddow specifically in order to provoke and incense.
Now, the content of their posts consists of lots of language like "stormderp", espousing feminism and equality and criticizing mention of jews.
My queston is, is this some kind of reverse psychology to reinforce /pol/ ideologies? Is this a manipulation operation to make people emotional and responsive, and to enforce dichotomous thinking? Because that's what it seems like. In all of these threads, posters inevitably take the bait and go on emotionally charged diatribes defending and clinging to whatever rach opposes...
Your thoughts, please.
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No.1969
contrarianism breeds counter-contrarianism (and so on.).
/pol/ is also really trollable.
I don't think there's anything deeper going on there.
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No.1970
>>1969
There are people on /pol/ who believe that if it's not jewish, it is not bad. I feel like these people are useful idiots and/or plants and their line of thinking has been guided by manipulation... There was a time, around the beginning of OWS (not necessarily related to OWS as an organization though), when people were considering elites and secret societies to be a problem. I think the blog of fringe reactionaries is being guided towards aligning with natsoc as sort of a gatekeeping effort, to funnel people towards a dead end of sorts...
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No.1972
Certainly, it's a disruption tactic /intl/ posters have been using trying to destroy the site. They shut down discussion by evoking emotions and turning it into us vs. them. They take their own bait and it creates endless drama, especially meta discussion. Their intention is to fill a board with fighting and identity politics to trick younger users into fitting in with the board's perceived identity, which they set by flooding with reactionary threads, until good posters lose faith and go elsewhere.
Interestingly Common Core teaches social-emotional skills and how to use loaded language to get a desired emotional response instead of a logical one. Level-headed discussion on the internet will become more and more difficult as the new generation is taught ignorance is power and manipulation is sincerity.
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No.1976
>>1972
This is very well said.
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No.1978
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No.1997
Everything Rach posts is sarcastic.
If you pay attention, s/he is actually advocating for the opposite thing that s/he "defends."
Shills and newfags take the bait over and over again, that's it.
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No.2059
>>1968
This could very well be the case. Never underestimate the kinds of intelligence operations that are being conducted over the entire Internet. Remember, they consider social-dynamics, censorship, and disinformation a SCIENCE and treat it as such.
I remember being very confused by this trip the first time I saw him/her. (i think the poster(s) is/are male) your suspicion is shared with me.
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No.2060
For now at least, this place (8chn) seems resilient to obvious subversion, almost like it has a healthy immune system. But it can and will only last for so long..
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No.2081
1) No deep meaning at work - just an anon with too much free time baiting an easily-baited board.
2) Pro-/pol/ user creating a common enemy to unite the board and prevent infighting.
3) Social manipulator creating a puppet who can push views the puppetmaster disagrees with. E.g. if they want a certain conspiracy theory ridiculed, "Rachel Maddow" comes out in support of it, uniting the board against the position.
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No.2088
>>1970
The real invervention in OWS is when they managed to get sjws to crash the movement when they were asking for financial reforms
That "progressive stack" was obviously engineered by some PR expert to destabilize the movement and self-censor it from the inside
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No.2090
>>2088
>There are people who still don't know that OWS was started by the greenie commie group Adbusters, funded largely in part by Soros
>they don't know about the Robinhood tax
>they don't know about OWS honcho Justine Tunney's technocratic gnosticism
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No.2092
>>2090
I do know, the problem is that the movement started to deviate into more serious matters and that deviation had to be "corrected" somehow and that's what the progressive stack did
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No.2202
>>1997
This. Also, like another anon said, /pol/ is really trollable and has a knee-jerk reaction to leftists. Many /pol/acks will debate and bombard lefties with facts, but a lot more will sage and report. It gets annoying how quickly /pol/ derails and this is coming from a hardened /pol/ack.
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No.2203
>>2202
Okay but what is the purpose of the avatar fagging and perpetual hugbox reinforcement by Rach? It's some kind of reverse psychology circlejerk to keep /pol/ limited to shallow and emotional discourse.
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No.2204
>>2203
It's more likely just to weed out newer or less intellectually capable members who don't see the irony.
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No.2205
>>2204
There are no permanent IDs so there is no way of 'weeding out'.
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No.2206
>>2205
Some people just get kicks off of making other people look like retards.
This is the psychopolitics board so there's no rhyme or reason to me telling you there's no conspiracy (because most of the time, there is, especially when /pol/ is involved), but it's entirely plausible that he just wants to troll idiots on the internet.
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No.2213
>>1968
I just saw a post the other day: rumor has it that its a Canadian Jew who infiltrated and became a mod on 4chon or some shit like that. They blamed them for taking down 4chon and ruining wizardchan, although its not clear to me what there was to ruin in the first place.
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No.2224
>>1968
I'm not a fan of false-flag conspiracy theories but given the sheer amount of absurdities coming out from europe regarding the current crisis I'm honestly starting to believe they are trying to trigger people into doing something so they can pass even more draconian speech and information laws.
>>1978
This is very relevant, though it would be better without the overused 'goyim' memes
The christianity vs. atheism case its particularly glaring specially since it happened right after they done the exact same thing on the left-wing
The biggest threat to both feminism and encroaching islam wasn't the far-right but the increasingly popular atheist and skeptical groups in the west. Its no wonder then that these two decided to go against leftwing atheists first, using anything for memes that undermined atheist as "fedora neckbeards" and even the old moralizing guilt trip, ironically a remnant from old feminists which were an offshot from protestant christianity, and no wonder islamists did the same since they are practically like christians from 200+ years ago.
What's really pathetic is how they managed to implement the same in the right-wing getting conservative atheists and christians to fight each other, again with the same memes and overall thread-derailing-stupidity.
And nobody seems to notice.
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No.2231
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No.2351
No, I do not believe this is a limited hangout.
The Russian FSB is far too sophisticated to be used by Snowden and CIA as a tool for a limited hangout operation, unless both the FSB and CIA had some weird conspiratorial deal, which I highly doubt.
It is my belief Putin would not have allowed Snowden in Russia if--I believe-- the most sophisticated FSB interrogators, interpreters of body language and other methods of reading individuals or FSB usage of drugs to "enhance the likelihood of truth being divulged by Snowden" likely debriefed Snowden.
Having myself worked within government, no highly trained clandestine operator can withstand the interrogatory of an extremely sophisticated group of intelligence officers interrogating the operator.
Truth is usually given up quite rapidly, usually within 48 hours if drugs are used to get the "truth out."
The only operative that would withstand such an interrogatory is a cutout, which is usually a sacrificial lamb who does not know why or how he had been used--or an operative that has been preprogrammed via hypnosis and NLP or drugs. This is unlikely due to the amount of resources and time needed for the creation of such operators, who are usually trained for direct operations.
The FSB is an elite organization that has countermeasures to test for these particular variables. Their methods are on par with CIA or may be better, it is impossible to know.
I believe Snowden was an FSB asset and recruited while he was in the U.S. intelligence apparatus. His FSB handler likely ordered his smuggling out of the country to China and sharing of information with Greenwald, who himself is an FSB cutout or knowing FSB asset as well--surprisingly living in a country without airtight extradition laws to the United States.
Putin has revamped the FSB and GRU, with a great focus on HUMINT, so it is not beyond reasonable to believe that the aforementioned is true.
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No.2352
>>2351
Do you give any credence to Alexander Litvnenko who claimed FSB funded Al Queda? If you accept that as fact, as well as claims that the CIA funded Al Queda, doesn't that suggest a possible conspiracy between the three organisations?
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