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57f762 No.7183 [Open thread]

Post any rare pictures of Friedrich Nietzsche that you would like to share. Here are a few:

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266e17 No.7209

One of those few persons who look better with a mustache than without it.

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b2220d No.7119 [Open thread]

What really a man head to?

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14b937 No.7130

>>7129

>It is not the case that at the moment of making decisions I see the whole spectrum of possibilities, but rather irrevocably I choose the one that is the closest to my devotion, determined in turn by external factors.

But you have made a mistake, for it is by the external factors that you judge, but the act of judging itself is internal and within your own control. You do care that the beggar is actually a rich man, but it is within your power to not care, and this cannot be taken away. Further, we should not rest philosophy on science, but science must conform to sound philosophy. Science has no voice. To the extent it can speak, it can only speak of particular facts. It measured a certain activity in the brain at a certain time, it measured a certain signal in a certain nerve at a previous time. Beyond this science can say nothing, because science has no mechanism to justify saying more.

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8d5096 No.7132

>>7129

Once again you don't understand what free will is. Free will is not the power to know everything and make decisions on it. It is simply the power to act on your own decisions.

To your second point, what you are describing is a reflex. Your reflexes also come from your brain, just not a conscious part of it. You can train your reflexes to do what you want. It does not disprove free will at all. Reflexes don't overpower your free will, they predict it and act accordingly.

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737b24 No.7133

Both. Free will by the grace of God determines his ends

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561abe No.7146

Determined by who? Determined by whose presumably free will? If by determinism you just mean that all things are a logical consequence of another, we have free will so long as "free" isn't defined as breaking the physical, consequential laws of the universe.

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c11d83 No.7201

>some metaphysical external force pushes people towards a certain "good" direction, a "maximum potential" that is the best self one can be

>people choose to ignore these "signs", wander from the path

>the longer one strays from the path, the further one distances themself from their maximum potential

>these signs become larger, more detrimental, more punishing the further one strays from it

>once the person makes choices to wander so far from the path, a cataclysmic life event occurs

>people can learn from this and work back to the "good" path towards their goal or not

>people who do are able to get back on the "good" path relatively quickly and with few (if any) true obstacles

>people who do not are permanently stuck outside of this good path and will face nothing but hardships for the rest of their lives

>many/most people balance bad and good to the point of never understanding their true goal, but never seeing cataclysm

>people generally "know" what they "should do" to stay on the path, but very few (if any) people ever truly reach that max potential

I don't believe in determinism in the sense of Greek Fates, but there is a given purpose. Free will does only harm. People know this and try to do what they can to cast it away in attempts to rid themselves of suffering and responsibility for the potential failures of their actions.

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fd06fe No.7138 [Open thread]

Why are adults such fucking assholes?

I'm only in my mid 20's, autistic, and trying to find my place in my life but the amount of people in adulthood that expect you to live as miserably as they do is insane. Its like they want me to put on a disguise to fake every emotion I have possible just to rot my soul away to my grave, I don't fucking get it.

Its like its a crime to be happy around them the moment you hit 21 and if you object and try to live your life to the fullest degree, apparently your a huge fucking problem to the world.

How do I tolerate this kind of behaviour?

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1cdf27 No.7139

Maybe you're just surrounded by assholes for some reason? As for why, they know they're miserable. They want other to be too, so they're not alone. Preferably they'll find someone to be more miserable than them so they can pretend to be superior.

>How do I tolerate this kind of behaviour?

Don't. Cut off as many assholes as you can and interact as little as possible with the ones you can't get away from or find a way to deal with them.

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2eea01 No.7165

We are social, hierarchical apes, and so must conform to get on and even survive. Quite simple really.

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885a1d No.7170

Most people are arseholes.

That includes you and me.

I'm also in my mid-20's, I haven't been diagnosed with clinical autism, but that was one of the ideas they tried to bounce off me en route to deciding I had "Ptsd".

I think, people don't really have innate personalities as such; only formative experiences and situations that they are placed in.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the human soul is "Tabula Rasa", but before experience, there's only that a-priori framework presumably instilled by your genome.

If you put a person in a situation where they suffer intensely, then they will act like an asshole.

Modern society basically gives you two options; toe the line or eat shit and die.

When an adult comes to terms with this, it can ruin their outlook forever., especially considering that we all seem to be inescapably trapped therein.

I myself have been cast out by my family, but I also found that cutting them out of my heart was the best thing to do.

They did not want me, so what need had I for them?

Being close to them made me miserable, but so did being parted from them; I had to come to terms with the absurdity of this situation, and opted to embrace separateness.

Now my mother tries to send me money every christmas or birthday, and I tell her no, and that her money is dirty, because she won't even look at or talk to me.

One day she'll probably stop trying; then I'll know I've won, and that her heart is broken.

I guess there isn't really any such thing as an asshole; just bad winners and sore losers.

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6ce850 No.7188

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I think the world just generally hates spergs, esp. Women because thinking is hard.

T. Actual sperg here, late 30s here

We're the silently oppressed minority and aren't allowed to speak many of us (not me in particular though) are incels too. That creates more problems. Also tell the mod to unpin that locked thread. I fucking hate imageboard moderators sometimes. You only locked it because it's rabbit hole stuff you can't handle.

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bc0483 No.3101 [Open thread]

>tfw the world is my will

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6ae3a7 No.7163

>>7161

Take the hypothetical state of being perfectly circular. If an object is always varying in it's property of circularity then it is by definition not continuing in a state of perfect circularity. There is only one perfect state with regard to being circular. Now take the human property of being in a state of perfect bliss. If a man is always varying in his state of blissfulness then he by definition cannot be in a continuing state of perfect blissfulness. There is only one state with regard to perfect blissfulness.

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49ce71 No.7164

>>7163

Why should I accept your presupposition that human states are like geometric shapes? Until you explain why, or present an alternative explanation, you've given no reason not to believe there are indeed differing states of perfect bliss.

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937215 No.7168

>>7164

It seems pretty intuitive to me that bliss only varies along one dimension; more, or less blissful. So it seems that the state of perfect bliss could only be a state of maximal blissfulness. So for a man to be continually perfect with regard to bliss he would have to remain in that one state of maximal bliss.

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3c25b2 No.7184

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>tfw the world is God's Will

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c52e4b No.7185

>>7184

To power

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b8518a No.6043 [Open thread]

Why aren't you and your friends >implying all living in friendship mansion yet?

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47a785 No.7056

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Epicureans were the NEETs of their day. What they stood for is what mainstream society stands for now so only neo-Epicureans exist today. I'm mostly going by Ciceros criticism so bear with me here. The problem is that people think, and although it's parroted by modern day "God no real" types, Epicureans were more like edgy Calvinists than atheists. Though I still don't think that God doesn't care, he has a mysterious , fucked up way of showing it.

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fafccb No.7100

>>6904

why?

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0b6710 No.7101

>>7056

>fucked up way of showing it

>the perfect justice is screwy cause I can't comprehend perfection

Hmmmm

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7b03e5 No.7102

>>7101

Sorry I was having a moment that day

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462c2f No.7166

I can only endure my 'friends' in short doses. One of them makes a clicking sound when he eats and I'd become homicidal if I had to live with that. Fuck, I have misophonia, so why would I ever want to live with anyone?

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8ed506 No.5981 [Open thread]

I’m trying to learn about Platonism. I started a list of major Platonic philosophers and their works, but it feels short. Could you guys recommend any other texts to help me with this?

>Plato - complete works

>Plotinus - The Enneads

>Proclus - The Theology of Plato

>Damascius - Difficulties and Solutions of First Principles

That’s about it. There must be more. I’m also looking into Pseudo-Dionysius and John Scotus Eriugena, but I’m more interested in pre-christian platonists

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b7843d No.7008

>>6955

>Fags condemning faggotry

>rare

Pick one

t.fag

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382b08 No.7012

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do you have it?

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cd1b4b No.7015

>>6760

Hegel would never think that though

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933fc8 No.7021

>>7008

>implies someone was a faggot

>implies someone important who is dead was a faggot

>does is without evidence

>is a self-confessed faggot

Not suprised. Faggots always love to say everybody else, specialy hostorical figures, are /were faggots. I guess it makes you feel normal or something like that.

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9a0822 No.7162

>>6204

"How do you know?" is a bigger problem, you idiot. You can sit and focus only on what's before you, declaring it to be all that is, but you're only doing so to stave the existential dread you experience, because you're weak and stupid, from questioning otherwise.

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068902 No.6873 [Open thread]

https://youtu.be/_-tlZY9NEMk

I watch the satire of his gibberish, and cant see any difference between when he praises Jesus, Christian archetypes, and western culture. He's the worst pseudo-philosopher of this century.

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d946e0 No.7090

>>7054

What about Christian Solipsism?

"You mean the Christ that exists in my mind because what I think is the only real possibility"

Hegel wins again

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9ef14c No.7095

>>7090

Atheism is an exclusively christian phenomena. It never arised out of any other religion, and we have a mistake to thank for that back in the 1400s, when nominalism was allowed to win over realism.

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343294 No.7128

>>6950

What Peterson was saying in that first link is similar to that people often say one thing but do another. Which, I hope, is obvious to you. But what he was saying was a bit deeper. That often times people think they believe one thing but their actions show that they do not.

What this man has done is spend a lifetime probing into the unconscious mind looking for answers. He acknowledges that he is also as faulty as everyone else and so instead of proclaiming that he believes what he believes like all you other fools who don't understand that you have a subconscious, he instead analysis his actions to see what it is he really believes. This is why he always says that he acts as though God exists instead of saying that he believes that God exists.

You are just not smart enough to understand him.

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99a4f1 No.7141

>>7128

He has spent a lifetime being religious. You're not smart enough to realize he's deluded like all religitards, and also attacks progressive causes for the sweet Prager University money.

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4cc5a2 No.7152

>>7128

>You are just not smart enough to understand him.

You are just too invested in him to see how full of shit he is,

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c0a1b5 No.7137 [Open thread]

Can it be defended?

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b75b0d No.7106 [Open thread]

How do you think , what is answer for this question ?

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d011a0 No.7110

>>7106

God can change the nature of Man.

Nothing else.

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66777f No.7114

The nature of mortality is plasticity and chaos. A man's nature changes innumerable times throughout his life, all in pursuit of an archetypal goal. The human pupa transforming as it matures.

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d6af08 No.7115

>>7106

what is nature?

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01577e No.7117

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432c98 No.7118

>>7117

nonhuman animals have knowledge as well

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11cdad No.4612 [Open thread]

Are there any philosophers who developed their own conception of the nature of the will (like shopenhauer/nietzsche)

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e790d6 No.5343

'Conception' don't real.

You can define things, then go check if they exist in reality.

You can look at reality, and try to define what you see there.

Neither of these things are conception. The first kind of definition is fully arbitrary. The second kind is almost equally arbitrary, despite making every effort to avoid that fate.

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ea808d No.6911

>>4613

this

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55f2cb No.7052

It's pretty cool hearing Bertrand Russel rip apart Nietzsche's philosophy.

https://youtu.be/HGDZcifLpdA

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16dc00 No.7058

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>>7052

Personally I'd like to rip Bertrand Russell's anus open along with Karl Popper. The twin idiots of utilitarian idiocy.

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b9a563 No.7098

jan stachniuk, i think

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de003e No.4736 [Open thread]

What's a will?

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6ce7e4 No.7074

>>4769

I'm Christian myself but never would say the same thing.

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613a3c No.7079

Your will is your heart. It is the spirit of oneself.

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6ce7e4 No.7080

To me will is ambition, a drive

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6ce7e4 No.7081

>>7069

I'm a compatibilist like Aquinas was. Apparently that's an unpopular stance.

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b9b96e No.7094

what most people call "consciounes"

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946651 No.7065 [Open thread]

How would I know if I have something unique to say in philosophy?

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6d1c4b No.7084

>>7083

>>7078

While you're at it you could just read the Bible, and see that it is pretty explicit that the church serves this function.

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851b57 No.7085

>>7084

>>7083

All of it?

Even the esoteric cycle specific and exclusive to secularism? And the heroic arch type modifying alongside the cycle change?

If my idea is not unique, but still self discovered, do I still have hope for developing it?

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6d1c4b No.7087

>>7085

>Even the esoteric cycle specific and exclusive to secularism? And the heroic arch type modifying alongside the cycle change?

I'm pretty sure its been articulated before. Even if it hasn't been you would still have to make a distinction between the institution of the church, and the ideal of the Church. Take your specific institution, and ask yourself "Has my church ever had a legitimate scandal, or failing?" The answer will most certainly be yes, and this is sufficient to begin identifying your cycles within the institution of that church. You could still say that these cycles tend upwards with regard to the church, and downwards with regard to the world. You could then differentiate between the two by way of the Church's archetypal heroic figure, Christ, and how conformity to Him manifests itself differently depending on where you are in the cycle.

>If my idea is not unique, but still self discovered, do I still have hope for developing it?

Sure you can develop it, but as I said, this has all been explored before and you can pick it up in the bargain dvds for like $8.99.

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946651 No.7089

>>7087

I use the Catholic church. Anything outside it would be considered "secular", paganism, judaism, buddhism, atheism, etc etc.

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7e974c No.7092

>>7083

St. Pol Pol will save us from the urban demiurge

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3243d8 No.7029 [Open thread]

>go on literally any philosopher board on earth

>people don't discuss philosophy, they just discuss writings of past philosophers

Might as well rename the board to esoteric historian jackoffs.

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97ce90 No.7033

>>7029

Well then you'll love it here because here we barely discuss philosophy to begin with.

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fd3e60 No.7068

>>7033 (bah-dum-chinged)

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3d8a0c No.7039 [Open thread]

>I basically cracked the code of secular ethics that philosophers have struggled with for thousands of years

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cdce3c No.7041

What's the secret molyjew?

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3d8a0c No.7048

>>7041

Reading my book on UPB and donating :^)

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8c9cdd No.6987 [Open thread]

I don't get it. a lot of people have called me an Ethical Solipsist yet even though (I'd wager) even though it came out of the enlightenment most of my beliefs pre-date the enlightenment, going back to Aristotle and St. Aquinas, so uh, wtf?

bear in mind my economics though are total post French Revolution. but this board isn't an economics board so yea.

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ab67ba No.7009

dude isn't thomism also st aquinas school of thought? thomism's ethics is the growth of many virtues in self perfection, a moral good could berate another human's moral good indifferently, however there is no indication that morality is ontologized in relations like later ethics, especially nietzsche's genealogy (how do we design an open-ended ethics?), or in the case of kant there is the earlier ontology which is about universalism, and then later on deontologized ethics (which purport rules rather than an universalism.)

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8c9cdd No.7017

>>7009

Well I've noticed how does one unite Thomism with Spinozaism? (used to be really against the latter)

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ab67ba No.7022

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145396 No.7026

They're butthurt because you haven't chosen to accept the obligation an altruists. Most altruists get butthurt when others don't accept their obligation because it's a system that requires mass acceptance to function correctly.

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8c9cdd No.7037

>>7026

I've noticed Epicureanism is sort of the root of this

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