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21f89c No.4687 [Open thread]

It's dialectical monism a real philosophy? I get the impression is one dude memeing on Wikipedia.

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21f89c No.4693

>dialectical

And into the trash it goes.

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21f89c No.4697

>>4693

why?

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21f89c No.4700

>>4697

I'm still traumatized from trying to understand dialectical materialism. I think I got it now, but the damage is done.

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6adf46 No.5331

>>4687

> I get the impression is one dude memeing on Wikipedia.

I can't find any evidence against this theory.

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5d051a No.4674 [Open thread]

He could have saved China from 2000 years of mystical bullshit if anyone had listened.

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5d051a No.4695

What were his ideas?

Also, glad not everyone buys muh spirituality. Kinda fed up with this shite.

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e51902 No.5332

Obviously the normal state of the Chinese is not listening. Their priorities, like most of the human race, doesn't have truth anywhere near the top. If by accident they had listened to him at first, they would have listened to someone else, with better bullshit, almost immediately. In other words returning to equilibrium.

More or less, if you want regular folk to have good beliefs, you have to convert them by the sword. However, the idea-expertise and the sword-expertise are largely independent and unlikely to be unified in a single person.

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5ff148 No.4684 [Open thread]

Do all things have an opposite? Socrates thinks so in the Phaedra regarding sleeping and walking, life and death, and then guesses death leads to kids.

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5ff148 No.4685

does every feature has the opposite feature?

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5ff148 No.4686

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5ff148 No.4688

>>4684

Yes, I think so.

One can add the prefix 'non' before any word to get its opposite. This method solves some of the trickier ones.

Thus the opposite of being is non-being.

The opposite of middle is non-middle.

The opposite of contradiction is non-contradiction.

And so on.

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5ff148 No.4690

>>4688

That's not what opposition means. That's just what different is. To be different from being is to be non-being. You can be the non-being of a being by simply being another being.

>>4684

Not everything has opposites. What's the opposite of an apple? What's the opposite of an atom? What's the opposite of a wave? These things have no intrinsic opposite forms conceptually or empirically. Of course, at some conceptual level everything has opposition and difference, but that's not always at the ere level of experienced objects.

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252db1 No.5333

Depends on what you mean by 'opposite.'

>>4688

If this, then yes.

>>4690

If this, then no.

The first is logical opposition. The second is more about functional opposition. There's nothing you can eat that would end up un-eating an apple.

Though that's amusing to think about. Presumably if there's an anti-apple, there's also anti-eating. Do they cancel, like mathematical negatives? Is anti-eating an anti-apple like eating an apple?

What about the opposite of not an apple, but the event 'eating an apple.' Anti-eating anti-an anti-apple? So throwing up something that's not an apple, I think? It's suitably convoluted, in any case.

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d526ca No.4631 [Open thread]

The BO directed me to rustle up a board meta-thread. Oh joy.

This is an opportune time to apply some changes to the /philosophy/ board. Take a look at the board resources link in the sticky to see why.

A few trivial changes have taken place. Some editing of the board sticky was done. Rule two was split into separate rules, although the wording remains the same. A board sub-page was created, and some of the content moved there along with additions.

Why the changes to the sticky?

There is a debate across image-boards as to the merits of a permanent board sticky versus an information bar. The board staff happens to like both. We also agree both should be made minimalistic, with links to info-dumps held elsewhere.

As originally written, rule two confuses different groups and issues. As it now stands, rule two is a form of promissory estoppel clearly directed at the board staff. Rule three is intended for the users.

What other changes are we thinking of?

We are hunting for more apropos resources to add. Things which mesh with image-board culture and have a philosophical bent are what we are looking for.

We're not sure what can be done with the beginner guide images in the second post of the sticky. The problem is not the information, it's the location. If we can figure out how to neatly fold them into the board sub-page, we'll do that and delete the post. Otherwise, it will remain.

What else are we considering, but shouldn't change without hearing from the users first?

One counter argument to the rest is the idea of enforcing quality. All we can say is that appeals to historic quality are meaningless to an image-board, without active participation in the present and future.

With eyes asquint, we are looking at Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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d526ca No.4632

good changes, but you guys should advertise/shill this board around the site a bit.

At one time there were more users here. These days this place is pretty empty.

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d526ca No.4679

I have a suggestion. How about you and the other idiotic shitposters go back to cuckchan?

If no one intelligent is gonna post here anymore, then at least let the board die with some dignity.

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d526ca No.4680

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I've poked around looking for thoughts from users and allied board feedback. It's clear that something needs to happen. I'm going to speak to the BO tonight and see what changes we can apply to make /philosophy/ enticing to new users, and how we can get he word out.

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d526ca No.4681

>>4679

>>4680

there's quite a lot of shitposting here. This board should be higher quality.

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d526ca No.4682

http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index.html

this should be added to the resource page thingy. simple, reliable, plaintext pages that are easily readable and downloadable in simple, reliable plaintext.

no pdf shennanagians, no ostentatious web design. one of my favorie websites on the net.

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6d07fe No.4675 [Open thread]

>fuck niggers and kikes

what did he mean by this?

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6d07fe No.4676

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The politician's dodge. A classic.

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a6dbe3 No.5335

Generally such things indicate that they wish to identify with an ingroup which has no members of African or Semitic descent.

Are you autistic? It's pretty obvious.

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0eaac6 No.4673 [Open thread]

what was his fucking problem?

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cec9c7 No.4669 [Open thread]

who would he vote for in 2016?

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cec9c7 No.4670

>implying he wouldn't just school both of them on a live debate and then get executed

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cec9c7 No.4671

File: 5f44db45813d127⋯.jpg (96.98 KB,316x475,316:475,America's biographer.jpg)

A write-in candidate: "the American people." Since they are so keen on having a government of the people, &c.

More likely, with the hindsight of history, he'd skip voting altogether to go looking for a modern Thucydides. Some displaced superfluous aristocrat who was close enough to see, to understand, and to tell it like it is.

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cec9c7 No.4672

im not a burger

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dd3565 No.4596 [Open thread]

The universe is each and everyone's WILL.

The univere is my will.

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dd3565 No.4650

>>4598

>>4599

>>4641

>>4596

was he autistic?

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dd3565 No.4656

The universe is by inverse, mine.

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dd3565 No.4657

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dd3565 No.4667

>>4656

The universe is your will too.

A fag on /christian/ accused me of solipsism for saying "the universe is my will" when he can say it all the same and be correct.

If I have to be a solipsist to say "The universe is my will" then so be it. Nietzsche would probably call it "passive solipsism".

>>4657

Nice

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e93787 No.5336

A statement that doesn't actually mean anything.

Go study physics in university. Come back in a few years.

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28489a No.4012 [Open thread]

"The universe is my will or the will is my universe?"

or

"To be or not to be?"?

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28489a No.4013

Welcome back Swissanon!

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28489a No.4654

>>4012

>>4013

what did he mean by this?

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bd29ca No.5337

>>4654

>what did he mean by this?

I'm going with

>I'm off my meds! Whee!

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cdea82 No.3398 [Open thread]

To be, or not to be?

Heads, or tails?

The Universe is my will.

Enjoy your trip

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cdea82 No.3424

>>3415

What relevance does your country have?

How do you intend to destroy nihilism? And why?

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cdea82 No.3569

I flipped a coin 400 times in a row and it was still heads. The probability of that happening is absurd, and clearly the universe has been manipulated. We must be guided by unknown forces. We should just subscribe to absurdism until the day when the show ends.

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cdea82 No.3675

>>3569

wow congratulations you got results that had a 1/2^400th chance. This can definitely be used to justify an obtuse view of the structure of the universe, and definitely isn't just proof that humans tend to notice the out of place events, and not the other billions of events transpiring every second around us.

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cdea82 No.4652

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c9114d No.5338

>>4652

If by 'autistic' you mean 'bad at life,' then yes.

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bd0b38 No.4642 [Open thread]

>>3643

what the fuck am i reading

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bd0b38 No.4646

>>4644

>2 unrelated questions both to be answered by one answer

>3 choices, no, no and yes to 1

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bd0b38 No.4647

>do you want to neglect your desires and thereby live off of grass and shit in order to not have to think about anything/be a privileged lazy shit living off of your parents money to not have to think about anything?

>no

>no

>yes

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bd0b38 No.4648

>>4647

and the yes isn't hedonism

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bd0b38 No.4649

>>4642

options are

>no, I want to get as much joy and happiness out of life as possible.

>no, that's boring. I want something more exciting and fulfilling in life.

>sure

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32b0e5 No.5339

>>4649

More or less, yeah.

It's

>Do you want peace?

Duh, yes of course

>You have to give up all your shit. Still want it?

Hmm...fuck that.

>Why not?

YOLO is well described by >>4649

I think the other one isn't as well described. "Peace is for the weak, I value strength," is more what they're going for. The correct stuff makes you stronger. E.g. you can build more houses with a saw, hammer, and nails, than you can with your bare hands.

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b48dd6 No.1589 [Open thread]

Absurdism is the greatest existential philosophy in my opinion. There are many writings on the absurd, it is far less in your face than nihilism, truly the sophisticated existential philosophy.

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b48dd6 No.1795

>>1589

>absurdism

>being this black and white about the world

oohbo3y

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b48dd6 No.1807

>>1795

>shitpost the post

What do you think you are adding to the discussion by telling us this? That your intelligence is unmatched, that you are better than everybody?

If it's so easy to refute then argue, don't just shitpost constantly to no effect.

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b48dd6 No.4637

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Are there any pitfalls to this philosophy? The only reason I'm curious about it this video clip from Star Trek, tbh I think Existentialism is more rewarding.

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b48dd6 No.4639

why do absurtists claim that human deeds to understand reality are futile?

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b047b2 No.5340

>>1626

>It doesn't strike me as much of a statement, and at best a colour of nihilism

Not possible. If life is absurd, this suggests there is a non-absurd version of existence. If so, nihilism is false. If such a version of existence meta-exists, then it's entirely possible that it could be instantiated.

>>1628

>I realize that if through science I can seize phenomena and enumerate them, I cannot, for all that, apprehend the world.

"Through science I can see things, but not, for all that, see things." At best, Camus is attempting to talk about something else. He's asked the scientist the wrong question, and blaming the scientist for providing an unsatisfying answer to the question he wanted to ask, but didn't.

>>1641

>Any truth claim just seems ridiculous to me

Paradox. Not a real sentence, instead your misunderstanding of grammar.

"It is true [ridiculous] that all truth claims are ridiculous."

>>1647

>The only interesting philosophical question is suicide in an absurdist view

>Should we strike out with vigor and revolt against the inherent paradox that is living?

Shallow. The question of suicide is this: if we reproduce only for the sake of reproducing, wouldn't it also be completely valid to stop reproducing for the sake of not reproducing? Isn't non-existence at least as good as existence?

If we can't not-reproduce for the sake of not-reproducing, doesn't that imply that reprPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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7207b3 No.3988 [Open thread]

Is it us humans who have the strength and will power to destroy the very thing the human mind creates bigger than itself. That it my be in our physical worldly term break able to destroy god and the devil. To destroy the forces of good and evil and to exterminate cosmic balance in our universe. Your opinions much appreciated.

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7207b3 No.4033

Because we as a powerful unity can achieve true neutrality and have the chance to destroy the balance of good and evil. To destroy action is to make peace. To make peace we must destroy chaos and attempt to eliminate the universe as a whole!

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7207b3 No.4036

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What the fuck am I reading.

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7207b3 No.4046

This is more pseudo-intellectual than academic feminism...

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7207b3 No.4049

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>>3988

us humans have will to transcends good and evil of the classical sence. it is though mybe diffcult for us human to work without god and evil compass to guide us. In end, I think will power self bring destruction to human.

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46544d No.5341

>>4046

You dismiss such a heroic effort of pseudo-intellectualism so easily? Pshaw! Pfui!

Remember, if you're Hard to Understand, you're Smart! The deeper you can make the rabbit hole before it's obvious it opens out into sky, Smarter you are!

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0adda9 No.424 [Open thread]

I don't mean this in a derogatory way, although it will come off as that. In a completely curious motivation, what has philosophy done for humankind in the last 100 years? I don't even mean economic benefit, but what are the benefits to the lives of the average human or non-philosopher in the last century? Has academic philosophy, for example, changed social behavior?
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0adda9 No.4610

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>>4607

>beng a positivist

that's fallacious though. you are measuring non-scientific things with a science ruler and saying its bad because it isnt scientific.

in any case you are making an assumption that there is no as yet unknown method that isnt better than the scientific one at revealing truth.

there are also arguements to be made that the science of the mind has thus far failed to even touch on what it means to be human, but ive butchered enough arguments for one post.

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0adda9 No.4621

>>4610

obviously he meant any alternatives proposed so far

>what it is to be human

>being this spooked

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0adda9 No.4623

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>>468

Would buy but it's out of stock and it was five bucks a bar.

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0adda9 No.4625

>>468

Is there any board you're not dwelling in, you gnostic fuckface

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0adda9 No.4629

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>>424

I think an answer to OP's question could be summed up with the single word: postmodernism.

There is a view that philosophy's footprint must be made of a grand, sweeping single vision that changes the world. Postmodernism had made its impression on literature, art, architecture, and culture. It's there, having its effect on things, without eliminating other schools of thought. Even when it mocks them.

Those effects, of course, are not something everyone holds to be a positive.

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54a2cf No.4615 [Open thread]

so why exactly did you delete my posts? i see no reason as to why they would be deleted under the current rules

>1- Respect the Global Rules

N/A

>2- Moderation will be kept to a minimum. Shitposting is not encouraged and spamming the board will result in a ban.

they were no more or less shitposting than that other fellow. and you cannot claim that non-identical posts with a period ~24 hours between them is spam.

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54a2cf No.4626

bump

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54a2cf No.4627

File: 2cbbf675cf3715a⋯.png (159.11 KB,700x359,700:359,MFW I was just informed th….png)

Greetings OP.

I am setting your thread to autosage. To avoid further angst and confusion here is the explanation.

1. Meta threads do happen, but in this case your thread is pointlessly meta. This is because:

2. You will never receive an answer to your question from those responsible. Because:

3. Board ownership has been transferred. And:

4. The new board staff is unaware of what the original issue was.

Surprised? Me too, pic related (the filename especially).

Feel free to continue posting in this thread if you need to so do for some reason. Should the discussion turn to something interesting, or useful to the board as whole the thread can be put back to normal and bumped.

The board owner will make a formal announcement when she gets a chance later today. I would not anticipate any changes, but I have nothing more to say. It's her problem now.

Twenty. Three. Pages. Them's a lotta philosophy. Damn.

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54a2cf No.4630

>>4627

board actually has 25, the bo just deleted 3 of them which is why i made this thread. doesnt matter now though.

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54a2cf No.4634

>>4630

>Deleting stale old threads

Enjuy ur ded board muh niggah

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54a2cf No.4635

>>4634

i posted that many in a matter of hours.

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