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708846 No.712 [Open thread]

In this thread, we mentally masturbate each other and massage each other's egos as to imply that we are actually having some kind of effect on the happenings of this world.

>protip: extra points if your fedora is resting upon thy head in a tilted fashion.
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708846 No.1246

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why do postmodernists always claim in arguments that people dont understand what it is and then do not explain it?

my hypothesis is that they are douche canoes.
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708846 No.1270

>>1232
>Any term is loaded according to you. You are right to an extent. But don't then tell me what it's loaded with and fling it back at me like it was my hidden understanding, as if you could arive at my intentions from nothing but assumption. Two phases of discussion? No, I think that there are basic ways to effectively converse, an aspect being consideration of what the others SAY not what you think they IMPLY. If someone insists on the latter, then there is no foundation for exchange. This has nothing to do with 'friend and foe' but with inside or outside an actually functioning discussion.

Any term is loaded with the semantic baggage brought from the person who uses it; but my use was meant to suggest a 'loaded' term within the context as a site of contestation for the boundaries of definitions in language use - necessitated on part by 'talking' and the implications which attend it. There's no understanding that can be drawn between 'saying' and 'implying' - the first is an act, the second an action: the basis upon which one 'says' something relies on the premise that one implies from this conditions within the scope of what is said. To converse, to exchange ideas, implies within it a boarder of mutual ground of the relationship dependent upon the system of exchange - to expect conversation without an attachment to implication for reasoned understanding diminishes the capacity to 'investigate'. A functioning discussion is a discussion - prefixing 'functioning' to the phrase is equal to flinging 'it' back as though it were a hidden understanding while simultaneously recognizing the necessity of the implication for the process of understanding itself. To ask one to differentiate between 'saying' and 'implying', as though the two were distinct modes is absurd: I can only ever think of what you say by what is implied - make of that what you will.

>Under-extended? And no, your reliance on implication and notions that you merely infer and derive from between the lines, while at the same time ignoring my attempts at explications (though you also occasionally isolate a word and 'analyse' them) is what I consider to be the issue. You may think this is none, but in that case you just demonstrate that you have no intention of 'lecturing' me effectively. Which leaves nothing but ridicule, and for
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708846 No.1271

>>1233
The distinction between 'imply' and 'say' becomes more and more vital in recognizing that they are distinct in so far as their mutual exclusion is based upon the premise of their distinction from the perspective; yet arguing that one forgoes perspective by 'recognizing' (as though there were truth-in-itself) what is 'said' destroys the entire possibility of any conversation convalescing. Under this, it's then unreasonable to suggest that explanation can escape into some 'in-between' realm of clarity - where ideas and concepts are sacrosanct.

>Why the fuck are you surprised that one of the corner stones of conversation is to read into the content?

>Oh, by all means do so. But tell me what you read and be open to what I say in response, especially if you a prone to read either too much, with too much certainty or too ideologically laden.

The tragic irony folds into place - what has been said cannot 'escape' into the precise, because the precise is supposed as an ideal held within the boundary of what has been said, and yet supposed distinct from it. 'In reality', all we're doing - once we move from initial antagonism of low-temperature high-light heat in discussion - is a reading into our own ideological-tainted lens by supposing the relationships we observe to exist between the structures of our use in language to be 'there' already - to be in existence without 'us' - and building upon these without challenging any underlying detail upon which we recognize 'their', the relationship's, existence. Being sarcastic really is useless: we're only ever moving towards our own more complex straw-men for understanding and never relinquishing the basic details. The purpose of all task for this conversation, the response form we prefer, and any other condition which bears weight implicitly over our action of thought in our response. The idea of the distinction I wanted to draw between 'imply' and 'say' is to recognize this: there was an unspoken agreement in the content of the metaphor established above, and no movement towards the questioning of the premise that established and enabled the metaphor to 'exist' in agreement; the metaphor between two modes of knowledge is supposed 'beyond' whomever so discusses it, and it becomes a process of intellectual deification.


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708846 No.1720

>>1229

You are a tremendous faggot

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67010c No.5669

THE REAL VALUE OF BUMPS

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d7f783 No.1709 [Open thread]

How has technology influenced modern day philosophy where you are to each individual reading this

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d7f783 No.1725

>reading of Heidegger intensifies

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701160 No.5666

BUMPING INTENSIFIES

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c6032c No.181 [Open thread]

It's been bothering to me since I saw 8chan as the new 4chan. Can we say that 8chan's uprising is an example to Rousseau's Social Contract Theory?
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c6032c No.623

>>181
It's not an example of social contract theory. We had no contract with moot, and none with hot wheels or these websites. It's an example of choice with real alternatives, and preferences. These are online clique hangouts, no one is under any contracts and no one is making any. Tacit consent to board rules doesn't count.
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c6032c No.638

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>>623
>Someone doesn't understand the concept of social contract
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c6032c No.1506

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Hi /philosophy/,

My question:

Is there an absoult answer to a problem?

Meant as written

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c6032c No.1507

>>203

>looking at history, we can see that different people have different needs

Not sure what history you are looking at, and how loosely you define "needs" and "people", but while I don't contend that different people have different priorities, it should be possible to establish a social baseline adhering to all the fundamental needs any sane person would want to see adhered to.

And just out of curiosity, what exactly is faulty about 4chans social contract, and how is 8chan differing from it?

>>1506

I assume you wanted to start a new thread? Please try again, so that this thread doesn't get off-topic.

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1860ab No.5665

>>244

WELL BUMPED

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2c0b96 No.1392 [Open thread]

Having watch the Matrix series again and more properly than before I've found some very interesting philosophical references, such as Plato's cave allegory, what's your favorite piece of philosophy from Matrix?
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2c0b96 No.1399

>>1392
it's a very simple epistemology lesson.

it takes the typical fedora tipping scientist's world and tears it right out of his mind.

a few professors referenced it in lectures. surprisingly, large numbers of students didn't understand because of the generational gap. gettin' old...
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2c0b96 No.1402

>>1399
fedora tipping scientists actually do good in the world and are employed, unlike philosophers. saying that something MIGHT be possible doesnt mean it is.
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2c0b96 No.1419

Red pill blue pill

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2c0b96 No.1451

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>>1402

yeah, they're really making our lives better aren't they.

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41cf2e No.5662

>>1451

BUMP

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80041a No.5477 [Open thread]

How has philosophy changed your views on the other fields of study?

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9ba4d5 No.5589

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>>5587

Philosophy shouldn't be here because this is quite a horrible MS Paint comic which is only recognized because its popular. Its just for people that want to feel smart.

While I'm at it I might as well post a response to one of his comics. Not the one in the OP but whatever.

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17e44a No.5590

What is Purity?

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046234 No.5591

>>5590

Before knowing what is right and wrong is

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5281b6 No.5626

File: 4fcbdccd90d137e⋯.png (135.91 KB,1150x418,575:209,Purity.png)

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39e8af No.5659

>>5626

Define fixed

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55b41d No.5645 [Open thread]

>mind is matter

<matter is mind

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cd6462 No.5656

This is now a neutral monist thread.

Discuss how like recognizes like.

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26a521 No.5652 [Open thread]

HEY! Succubi loving, old-tome quotin', tulpa grabbin' sychophants of the occult, I'm talking to you!

Do you like the human mind? Do you like to explore your dreams? Do you seek the answers to your problems? Ever heard of MBTI? How about Enneagrams? Do you think that sorta stuff is nerd astrology? Do you want a place to discuss creepy things with creepy people?

Do you just wanna freely bantz people?

Looking to meet friends?

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774035 No.4638 [Open thread]

In what order should I read Robert Anton Wilson?

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4d6ed6 No.5651

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3f1777 No.5647 [Open thread]

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9152d4 No.5650

Betelgeuse is a cow, right ?

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d5d975 No.5235 [Open thread]

Hello /philosophy/. Some of us have founded a reading group on Discord. The topic is political philosophy and economics from a libertarian and classically liberal perspective, but we also plan to read famous or relevant works that disagree with us. There are about 25 of us so far, and pics related are the first five books we'll be reading.

Here's the link, if you're interested: https://discord.gg/4MP7WA

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4ee4f2 No.5238

If I joined, how much would Tencent get for each post?

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d5d975 No.5239

New link: https://discord.gg/wWttxx

>>5238

If you're not happy with discord, no problem. It's the best book club I know of, is all. I tried getting /liberty/ to read more, but with moderate success. Although granted, we got some smart members there already.

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4ef547 No.5409

>>5239

>https://discord.gg/wWttxx

>The instant invite is invalid or has expired.

Does the group still exist?

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d0766b No.5641

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I found this philosophy discord a while back called the union. It's fairly active, and if you throw something substantial out there will always be a decent response. But most of all I like the voice calls, people just having thoughtful conversations, it's nice.

What makes this server better than others, and there are so many others, is that the admins aren't bureaucratic marxists who need to control the tone and topic all the time, they just don't tolerate shitposting. Anyways, figured I'd just tell you guys that there actually is a non-shit chat out there.

https://discord.gg/haVdPuP

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39660b No.5611 [Open thread]

>2017 Year of our Lord and Savior, Saint Max

>still sacrificing yourself to abstract immaterial ideas over your own will

>still constraining yourself with ridiculous notions such as rights and social limitations

>not being in a union of egoists

>still worshiping "god"

>still willing to die for your "country"

>not doing things because they're "immoral"

>still thinking there's a such thing as value outside yourself

>not being a nominalist

>still thinking arbitrary abstract definitions can ever actually apply to the unique one when he is really an undefinable enigmatic entity that can only be decribed as his ownness

>being a moralist ragamuffin

>not drinking milk

>not starting a co-op with your best bros

>still reading watered-down hacks like Friedrich "A horse is a horse, I had a mental breakdown of course, of course" Nietzche

>taking Ayn "Every Man's self-interest is his, now let me define what yours is" Rand seriously

Why do you insist on being so spooked?

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0024d6 No.5619

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>still sacrificing yourself to abstract immaterial ideas over your own will

>abstract immaterial ideas

>your own will

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b93874 No.5624

Chad Nietzche died of syphilis in the midst of madness from fucking too many whores.

Virgin Stirner died from a bug bite.

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d84519 No.5625

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>>5624

Stirner was an anti- feminst who took avdvantage of two wives and their inheritances. Nietzsche was taken advantage of by women.

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f534fd No.5631

>>5619

ideas outside yourself that you conflate with your own interest, is what is meant.

>>5624

Nietzsche actually died of a brain tumor.

Stirner died from being stung by a bee.

>>5625

Stirner truly loved his wives. First one died from childbirth and the kid was stillborn. Second one left him because he was anti-religious.

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d8ae38 No.5640

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Did you just assume my ethical position?

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6415c4 No.5592 [Open thread]

HEY! Epistemology loving, old-tome quoting, self-analysing brainfuls! I'm talking to you!

Do you like the human mind? Do you seek the answers to your problems? Ever heard of MBTI? How about Enneagrams? Do you think that sorta stuff is nerd astrology? Do you want a place to discuss fascinating things with fascinating people?

Do you just wanna freely bantz people?

Looking to meet friends?

Are you just bored as hell?

Do you want to see hell?

Want a place to pick up some hentai?

If you answered yes to any of those, hell if you answered yes to questions we didn't even ask, this server is for you!

Join BEYOND PERSONALITY!

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/WYZWYVF

/WYZWYVF

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623797 No.5606

>>5604

Did you switch to normalfag because you knew normie was wrong? That's like conceding the point.

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d944db No.5630

>>5594

https://discordapp.com/privacy

seems pretty normal...they will aggregate and use internally but when they fail they will sell your ass out. Seems no different then the telecom companies I'm forced to patronize or every maps app or every program I've paid for or most banks or... thats the world it sucks; call your congressman

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6b8035 No.5632

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>>5630

>seems pretty normal

You can't repay a $30,000,000 debt by doing things that "seem pretty normal". It simply isn't possible.

You should brush up on your policy reading, by the way.

Let me give you a example

>Our Disclosure of Your Information

>The Company is not in the business of selling your information.

If they really meant it, you would further specify,

>The Company is not in the business of selling your information, and does not share information with companies that are in the business of selling your information.

>call your congressman

How to spend your time doing things that won't do shit 101

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23db64 No.5634

>>5592

We cannot truly know anything

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23db64 No.5636

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fuck off back to /pol/ brainlet>>5604

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812fcc No.1994 [Open thread]

so /philosophy/,

was visiting my mom the other week and got into an argument. she thinks that the 2000 year old sand nigger will bitch slap the US with earthquakes because we allow gayfags to marry. i dont care about gay marriage, but i do care about justifying crazy shit with other crazy shit.

heres how the argument went.

>gods gonna shit on the US cuz fags are married!

thats fucking crazy, how do you know that.

>the bible says so

why is the bible true

>because i feel it in my heart to be true

if feelings are the source of truth, then if i feel that Xipe Totec wants me to rape babies and throw them into a volcano, then it is?

how do i better argue against her crazy fucking shit.

pic sorta related, a philosophinx

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812fcc No.1997

>>1994

>the bible says so

That's not even true. Tell her to point out to you exactly where the causal link is made in the Bible. There is condemnation for homosexual acts, but the punishment always came from humans (under Gods orders), not God himself. Aside from Sodom, Gomorrha and the Flood, that is, but those only happened because EVERYONE was messed up, not just because of gays.

If you take away the Bible as a source for her bigotry, she'll be left with the emotional argument. And in that case, just tell her that she can't assume truth from faith or even conviction alone. It's an easy point to make and an easy point to understand. She likely won't listen because of that, but if you want to stay reasonable and not keep quiet it's the way I'd suggest.

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812fcc No.1999

>>1994

Hurricane katrina was punishment for gays, the 16th richest man said so himself, and why doubt authority?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina_as_divine_retribution

I know how you feel. My grandmother believes she could have been electricuted when her costa rican shower malfunctioned and lit on fire, and that it's a miracle she lived, therefore God had a purpose for her (providence). She gets insulted and won't listen when you say, "either that or you just got lucky, like I do every day that I walk down a busy street with cars that could kill me."

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812fcc No.2150

Just tell her that God is not going to destroy the U.S. Other human beings will eventually do that. But anyway, just tell her that God's kingdom is not of this world, and this world will always be a degenerate cesspool. Any decent christian should know that.

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812fcc No.2162

You can ask her if she's ever felt anything in her heart was true and it turned out to be false.

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9168df No.5622

the world will die because humans are slave to material objects

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ed3903 No.3448 [Open thread]

is a man who does bad deeds sometimes, but on the whole does good, still a good man?

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b3a210 No.5277

>>5272

That's a matter of definition. In Christian theology, there are no good men because 'good' is defined by God and us humans are inherently incapable of living up to it. If you want to say somebody is 'good for society' then perhaps an atheist child is more likely to be good than a Christian child, and it is probably a direct result of their beliefs and upbringing. That being said, averages cannot be applied to individuals because averages are collections, and there is no individual that perfectly meets every single average statistic about him/her right in the middle.

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73b3d5 No.5526

if it provides a greater society for all, then they're ok

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ff3209 No.5564

there is no such thing as good or bad man and whoever says so is full of shit, there can be actions that can be considered evil, though. basically all violence sans self-defense

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8b8b7d No.5566

>>5564

>No breaking the NAP

Did you forget your Voluntarism flag?

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52c77d No.5582

>>3448

Can a racist still be a good person?

I think the question hinges on whether you think a person can be misguided while having selfless intentions you could call good.

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590aac No.5400 [Open thread]

How did Nietzsche eat soup?

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895108 No.5432

>>5400

Define "eat soup."

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f8bd6d No.5438

>>5432

To go down on your mom.

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e921ee No.5465

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He hugs the bowl and says 'I understand you'

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981fc6 No.5569

>>5400

What is soup?

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04546d No.5577

He did it while singing, probably ティアフレーレ.

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