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c2abcc No.2357 [Open thread]

Is this what XXI century philosophy looks like?

http://mundusmillennialis.com

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c2abcc No.4121

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What did he meme by this?

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c2abcc No.4356

>>4121

Politeness in excess transgresses personal boundaries, and alienates other individuals by producing a psychological barrier as a consequence of the other's rejection, and of the subject's extreme socialization of the other.

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c2abcc No.4368

>>4121

Probably that when you are excessively formal it puts up a barrier that makes human connection impossible due to the robotic rigidity of politeness taken to an excess.

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c2abcc No.4369

>>4368

But also as said here

>>4356

It can also be a cause of transgression into others' personal space due to obsequiousness.

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c2abcc No.4370

>>4369

Ps. I think that this especially what is meant hence the "avid" at the beginning.

I don't think that indifference is rude in itself. It's just a default mode.

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2b58f1 No.4150 [Open thread]

Philosopher here, ask me anything.

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2b58f1 No.4216

Op ear, my philosophy eh that I know nothin, so because I know this Im b3tt3r then u.

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2b58f1 No.4218

Why didn't scientists put meal worms on styrofoam faster instead of assuming it wasn't biodegradable?

http://news.stanford.edu/pr/2015/pr-worms-digest-plastics-092915.html

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2b58f1 No.4224

>>4216

"Herp therefore I derp."

-Discrete

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2b58f1 No.4359

zach here, thanks man

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2b58f1 No.4474

Good thread

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38783c No.4251 [Open thread]

Fedora here, hypocrisy isn't necessarily bad. If you act in defiance of your stated values in front of someone you can track them a lesson. I.e. if someone is a hypocrite, you can act the same way in front of them so they condemn you for being a hypocrite, and hopefully reflect on their actions.

Is there a word for this concept? (Ignore the propaganda pic, heromine said it not her author.)

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38783c No.4252

wtf is traching.also youre retarded; this is an autisticly roundabout way of getting the opportunity to say "no u."

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38783c No.4277

it's called satire

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38783c No.4344

>>4277

>Satire

What's that taste like?

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38783c No.4347

if a smoker said "don't smoke, it's bad for you"

and proceeded to smoke

you could call the smoker "a lying hypocrite"

but you'd only be half right

>>4277

was gonna say reverse psychology, but i guess satire works fine

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38783c No.4358

>he doesn't believe dragons exist or existed

If not physical they surely exist in the collective consciousness of mankind for every culture has draconic myths.

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dd19d0 No.4340 [Open thread]

I find the likes of Eckhart Tolle to be too "goody two-shoes" for my tastes.

Alan Watts gels well with me, as well as Taoism, but it's best to branch out instead of getting all from the same source.

What would you recommend?

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dd19d0 No.4341

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dd19d0 No.4345

Read Hegel, particularly his Phenomenology chapters on religion and mysticism, the Unhappy Consciousness.

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ced0c3 No.4332 [Open thread]

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/voting/

fresh stanford entry on voting

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ced0c3 No.4334

>The most optimistic estimate in the literature claims that in a presidential election, an American voter could have as high as a 1 in 10 million chance of breaking a tie, but only if that voter lives in one of three or four “swing states,” and only if she votes for a major-party candidate (Edlin, Gelman, and Kaplan 2007). Thus, on both of these popular models, for most voters in most elections, voting for the purpose of trying to change the outcome is irrational. The expected costs exceed the expected benefits by many orders of magnitude.

This is why I've never bothered to vote and never will.

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3fc9da No.5364

>>4334

Bad game theory.

Almost everyone is very similar to a whole load of other people. It's hard to have just one person decide not to vote - their whole voting bloc decides not to vote at once, because they all think alike.

That said I'd love to see fewer folk vote, to the point where my own voting bloc becomes decisive.

What voting proves epistemically speaking is not clear at all. Perhaps most votes are essentially cast at random and can be discarded, as they cancel out and don't reflect any deeper desire of the voter? In other words I can think of lots of ways their probability estimate is wrong. It's only right if every voter is basically random, meaning the vote carries no information at all, but this can't be right due to the law of large numbers. Some fractal error there.

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4e3a4d No.4259 [Open thread]

I dare you to refute Hegel.

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4e3a4d No.4260

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>>4259

HEGEL DID NOTHING WRONG

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4e3a4d No.4280

>"To refute a philosophy is to exhibit the dialectical movement in its principle, and thus reduce it to a constituent member of a higher concrete form of the Idea."

No time for sophists.

>"Das Wahre ist das Ganze."

Okay...?

>"So ist vielmehr der Fall, daß das Volk, insosern mit diesem Worte ein besonderer Theil der Mitglieder eines Staats bezeichnet ist, den Theil ausdrückt, der nicht weiß was er will."

Good one, Plato.

>"Abstraktionen in der Wirklichkeit geltend machen, heißt Wirklichkeit zerstören."

>Assuming knowledge of reality.

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4e3a4d No.4285

Hegel is bible tier, you can interpret his retarded writings to support whatever ideology you already hold and what little of actual theory can be distilled out of his ramblings when you cut away all the bullshit falls apart when it's not hidden behind 20 tons of lyrical nonsense.

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4e3a4d No.4330

>>4285

>>4280

t. sore dualists

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4e3a4d No.4420

I tried to read him today. Busted my gut laughing at how autistic his writing was from the very first page of phenomenology." If you want to make a funny video, all you need to do is walk up to people with a camcorder and filming their wtf reaction faces when you recite a page from his encyclopedia of spiritual gibberish.

Apparently he believed he'd found proof of God too. I think I'll drop him from my to read list.

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cb5c95 No.4317 [Open thread]

Whether I'm reading Kant, Hegel, Watts or Aristotle; or whether I'm reading the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Tao Te Ching or the Bhagavad Gita; my reaction may be summed up as one or both the following:

>lolwut

>"whoa, that's so deep!!", then going right back to all my dysfunctional habits that keep me hating myself and hating life

This is because I have little idea how to APPLY the information and ideas being presented to me in my daily/weekly/yearly life.

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cb5c95 No.4324

>>4317

read epictetus. then you can at least take solace in the fact that your problem is not a new one

>Discourses 2.19: Against those who embrace, philosophical opinions only in words

> The argument called the "ruling argument" appears to have been proposed from such principles as these: there is in fact a common contradiction between one another in these three positions, each two being in contradiction to the third. The propositions are, that everything past must of necessity be true; that an impossibility does not follow a possibility; and that thing is possible which neither is nor t at a t will be true. Diodorus observing this contradiction employed the probative force of the first two for the demonstration of this proposition, "That nothing is possible which is not true and never will be." Now another will hold these two: "That something is possible, which is neither true nor ever will be": and "That an impossibility does not follow a possibility," But he will not allow that everything which is past is necessarily true, as the followers of Cleanthes seem to think, and Antipater copiously defended them. But others maintain the other two propositions, "That a thing is possible which is neither true nor will he true": and "That everything which is past is necessarily true"; but then they will maintain that an impossibility can follow a possibility. But it is impossible to maintain these three propositions, because of their common contradiction.

> If then any man should ask me which of these propositions do I maintain? I will answer him that I do not know; but I have received this story, that Diodorus maintained one opinion, the followers of Panthoides, I think, and Cleanthes maintained another opinion, and those of Chrysippus a third. "What then is your opinion?" I was not made for this purpose, to examine the appearances that occur to me and to compare what others say and to form an opinion of my own on the thing. Therefore I differ not at all from the grammarian. "Who was Hector's father?" Priam. "Who were his brothers?" Alexander and Deiphobus. "Who was their mother?" Hecuba. I have heard this story. "From whom?" From Homer. And HellPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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cb5c95 No.4325

>>4324

> The wind from Ilium to Ciconian shores

> Brought me.

> "Of things some are good, some are bad, and others are indifferent. The good then are the virtues and the things which partake of the virtues; the bad are the vices, and the things which partake of them; and the indifferent are the things which lie between the virtues and the vices, wealth, health, life, death, pleasure, pain." Whence do you know this? "Hellanicus says it in his Egyptian history"; for what difference does it make to say this, or to say that "Diogenes has it in his Ethic," or Chrysippus or Cleanthes? Have you then examined any of these things and formed an opinion of your own? Show how you are used to behave in a storm on shipboard? Do you remember this division, when the sail rattles and a man, who knows nothing of times and seasons, stands by you when you are screaming and says, "Tell me, I ask you by the Gods, what you were saying just now. Is it a vice to suffer shipwreck: does it participate in vice?" Will you not take up a stick and lay it on his head? What have we to do with you, man? we are perishing and you come to mock us? But if Caesar sent for you to answer a charge, do you remember the distinction? If, when you are going in, pale and trembling, a person should come up to you and say, "Why do you tremble, man? what is the matter about which you are engaged? Does Caesar who sits within give virtue and vice to those who go in to him?" You reply, "Why do you also mock me and add to my present sorrows?" Still tell me, philosopher, tell me why you tremble? Is it not death of which you run the risk, or a prison, or pain of the body, or banishment, or disgrace? What else is there? Is there any vice or anything which partakes of vice? What then did you use to say of these things? "What have you to do with me, man? my own evils are enough for me." And you say right. Your own evils are enough for you, your baseness, your cowardice, your boasting which you showed when you sat in the school. Why did you decorate yourself with what belonged to others? Why did you call yourself a Stoic?

> Observe yourselves thus in your actions, and you Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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cb5c95 No.4326

>>4325

>And now I am your teacher, and you are instructed in my school. And I have this purpose, to make you free from restraint, compulsion, hindrance, to make you free, prosperous, happy, looking to God in everything small and great. And you are here to learn and practice these things. Why, then, do you not finish the work, if you also have such a purpose as you ought to have, and if I, in addition to the purpose, also have such qualification as I ought to have? What is that which is wanting? When I see an artificer and material by him, I expect the work. Here, then, is the artificer, here the material; what is it that we want? Is not the thing, one that can be taught? It is. Is it not then in our power? The only thing of all that is in our power. Neither wealth is in our power, nor health, nor reputation, nor in a word anything else except the right use of appearances. This is by nature free from restraint, this alone is free from impediment. Why then do you not finish the work? Tell me the reason. For it is either through my fault that you do not finish it, or through your own fault, or through the nature of the thing. The thing itself is possible, and the only thing in our power. It remains then that the fault is either in me or in you, or, what is nearer the truth, in both. Well then, are you willing that we begin at last to bring such a purpose into this school, and to take no notice of the past? Let us only make a beginning. Trust to me, and you will see.

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cb5c95 No.4327

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a1c7b3 No.5365

>This is because I have little idea how to APPLY the information and ideas being presented to me in my daily/weekly/yearly life.

These books are not engineering documents and aren't intended to be, even though their adherents normally present them as such. It's some sort of trick for making monkeys sit up and listen; I can't be arsed to figure out which one.

What you're supposed to do is, having said, 'lolwut so deep' is go ask a living practitioner about the specifics. Most people can't rationally plan their actions though, so what you really have to do is go watch them and copy them, which is not only possible, but automatic if you're nearby and don't consider them outgroup.

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addb6c No.4320 [Open thread]

A way of life and thought which denies or ignores the existence of God is bound to end in dissolution and self-contradiction.

If this is not sufficiently proved by the state of futility to which Humanism and rationalism have brought us, a state of inhumanity and irrationality, all that remains necessary is to reason the matter out.

From the standpoint of reason the conclusion that God exists is unavoidable; to demonstrate this truth was the greatest and perhaps the most permanent achievement of mediaeval philosophy, and in particular of St. Thomas.

The only way to escape this conclusion is to deny the validity of reason, which is merely to make argument, philosophy, and almost every form of discussion and thought impossible.

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addb6c No.4321

Wattshitposter pls go.

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143143 No.5366

Nice bald assertions there anon.

Aquinas was full of shit and so are you. Plz into unknown unknowns and/or humility.

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182ed9 No.4306 [Open thread]

So lads,do you have any insights on dealing with teen angst and angst in general,are you aware of any philosophies on the matter

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182ed9 No.4307

Have you ever heard of this little thing called "Existentialism"?

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182ed9 No.4308

What are you referring to, and why should philosophy help with it at all?

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182ed9 No.4312

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>>4306

Yeah, Madoka fans know all about it.

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182ed9 No.4335

>>4312

I love everything this guy writes.

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dfccc2 No.4278 [Open thread]

Do you consider science to be an important factor in considering things or philosophical tenants because I have seen little discussion of it and I believe that since philosophy is the study of reality that science should be a limiting factor but I'd like to see other opinions on it.

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dfccc2 No.4281

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dfccc2 No.4282

What do you mean?

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dfccc2 No.4283

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dfccc2 No.4303

>>4278

> I have seen little discussion of it

have you looked inside a philosophy book by any chance? fucking idiot

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924b62 No.5367

>science to be an important factor in considering things or philosophical tenants

What?

Also that should be 'tenets' not apartment residents.

Should I say science isn't an important factor for considering things? What's this about things -or- philosophy's tenets?

>study of reality

Oh good we're the field of everythingology now. Cool.

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3117cd No.4294 [Open thread]

Serious question. Not bait

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3117cd No.4295

>>4294

What's Christian thought to you? A literal reading of the bible? Just the words Jesus supposedly said and nothing else? The spirit of the doctrine of love your neighbor?

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3117cd No.4296

>>4295

The word as law

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819f4b No.5368

Why would I try to reconcile some errors with other errors? Why am I maybe throwing in some irrelevant truths as side dishes?

>>4295

This question is kind of important!

>>4296

What?

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d96526 No.4286 [Open thread]

>>There are people on /philosophy/ RIGHT NOW that actually believe the holocaust happened

Fucking

LOL

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d96526 No.4287

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Fucking plebs.

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d96526 No.4293

0/10

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d96526 No.4594

>>4286

Probably not a lot. Shit thread though

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f79917 No.5369

>>4293

>0/10

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fe7209 No.3999 [Open thread]

A pretty important part of a human's life I think. Let's discuss it. Though it's also a big subject, so keeping this in one topic might be stupid, but this board doesn't seem to be crawling with posters, so I guess one topic will be enough.

What is pleasure? Why and how do we feel it(I'm also looking for biological answers here if you guys can provide)? And when we feel it, why do we want it to last forever? Should we chase it and try to live our lives with always pleasure, or try to keep away from it as much as possible? How does hedonism affect a man?

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fe7209 No.4000

>>3999

while i lack the facultis to tackle the majority of your questions at the moment, i can at least illuminate a few.

>Should we chase it and try to live our lives with always pleasure, or try to keep away from it as much as possible?

we toil so that we may have leisure, which is to say that we should have leisure in our life, but not banal, sensuous hedonism. the best leisure is the leisure of the best.

i know thats not well thought out but its a starting point.

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fe7209 No.4002

>>4000

You'd make a fine interlocutor to our dear friend Socrates.

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fe7209 No.4261

>What is pleasure?

The state you are temporarily in when you meet a want or need.

However this also amounts to boredom as your need has been met and you no longer have the driving force of want/need.

In other words, you are constantly deprived and in pain, pleasure temporally makes you stop suffering; however this is felt by a person as a state of normalcy.

Pleasure is the void left when you eliminate pain. And it feels just like that, a void.

>Why and how do we feel it(I'm also looking for biological answers here if you guys can provide)?

I think you mean neurological, as in dope; though i'm not experienced enough to elaborate.

But philosophically we feel it due to the meeting of our inborn natural impulses (however perverted from nature they may be)

>And when we feel it, why do we want it to last forever?

Because otherwise we are in agonizing pain.

>Should we chase it and try to live our lives with always pleasure, or try to keep away from it as much as possible?

This I do not know.

Up to you really.

>How does hedonism affect a man?

I makes him bored.

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d21600 No.5370

Hedonism is actually the proposition that a man's sensations are sufficient to figure out what's good or not. It's not what a newspaper calls hedonism.

The simplest form is when what feels good is in fact good, and what feels bad is in fact bad, so...

>>4261

>>How does hedonism affect a man?

>

>I makes him bored.

Newspaper hedonism makes you bored, which feels bad, so newspaper hedonism is bad, according to philosophical hedonism.

Hedonism doesn't have to be this simple, though. (Newspaper hedonism is bad regardless.) There are various kinds of pleasure. Some are more satisfying than others, giving hedonists a hierarchy of positive sensations. It's not hard to unify hedonism and virtue ethics, for example.

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a67e5b No.4254 [Open thread]

Does the B theory of time imply determinism?

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a67e5b No.4257

>A and B theories of time

>people still unable to accept the truth of time as such as merely the negativity of the totality of space over and against itself

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03aa68 No.4155 [Open thread]

Can an atheist gain anything by reading Kirky? Is there a secular interpretation of his work?

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03aa68 No.4157

>>4156

Cool, thanks. Another 8channer put forth his own theory and he got me excited to read him in the end. Have you guys read him? What do you think his key ideas are?

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03aa68 No.4159

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>>4157

Frankly the only thing I like about Kierkegaard is his writing style, and his concept of despair and selfhood. Accepting that despair is constitutive of the self helped me through tough times, it also makes me look back at that despair and actually feel positive about it.

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03aa68 No.4209

If you're into paradoxes and radical subjective individualism, there's a lot you can gain from reading K. Having read a little bit of Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit, you can view Kierkegaard's conception of individualism as an inversion of Hegel's socialized reason (insofar as his project describes the structure of being as rational).

He hated the public as he felt that it ultimately devalued the individual.

>>4157

I've read Two Ages and Fear and Trembling for a 19th Century Philosophy class. I'm getting to Either/Or this summer.

His key ideas deal with paradox, irony and the tension between faith and reason. He looked up to Socrates and Jesus Christ (JC for obvious reason) as he believed both were authentic ironists. Socrates admits he knows nothing while being the wisest man of Athens. God, an omnipotent and transcendent being, incarnates as a finite man, Jesus Christ, voluntarily sacrificing Himself to save humanity.

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03aa68 No.4223

>>4155

He's a shitty Nietzsche basically.

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03aa68 No.4246

>>4223

>Existentialist

>Kierkegaard is just like Nietzsche but worse

>Nietzsche is an existentialist not a nihilist meme

You cannot understand what you are reading.

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