4851ca No.16940838
People say Pokemon games are easy. But all the alternatives are even easier. I'm currently struggling with the e4. Are people just full of shit or what?
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000000 No.16940839
Havent played past Emerald so dont know what modern pokemon is like
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4851ca No.16940845
>>16940839
Literally the same just more of everything.
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ba5489 No.16940859
>>16940845
very true
There have been some slight ups and downs but generally the quality has been consistent while the quantity of things like moves and mons increases. There are always some QoL improvements but they don't always stick around so the general quality of the series is pretty stable.
Or at least that was true until Sword and Shield came around and was the first truly bad Pokemon game despite also being one of the most expensive. It could be argued that LGPE was the first truly bad Pokemon game but it didn't signify the total collapse of the series the way that Sword and Shield does.
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ba5489 No.16940862
>>16940839
Personally I think the DS games, Platinum thru BW2 are the Golden Age.
If someone had to know what Pokemon was about while only playing one game, Platinum would be the game I'd recommend.
Then there's HGSS, which is just rich with content, there's so much to do and explore in it.
Then you've got BW, which was a soft reboot of the series where part of the charm was that you wouldn't encounter an old mon throughout the entire main story. It also had a pretty interesting plot that some have interpreted as a criticism of PETA and gun control.
Lastly you've got BW2, which is the only sequel game besides Gen 2 and its remakes. Like HGSS it is filled to the brim with content. Part of its charm is seeing how much the region changed in the two years since BW took place, and meeting old characters again.
Then you've got the 3DS games, which are still good but don't seem like Gamefreak was quite as passionate about making.
Really the only skippable games from the DS and 3DS era are Diamond/Pearl and Sun/Moon just because they each got enhanced versions.
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a79432 No.16940872
>Movelist is all attacks but a single status move
>Just goes for an attack over a status condition
>Is losing vs AI when is higher level than it
No you are just actually brain dead that babies first RPG is above you.
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1f910a No.16940873
>>16940838
Pokemon games are easier than in the DS era, but easier than the original games. R/B is a complete joke difficulty-wise, between shitty AI and garbage enemy movepools.
>>16940859
>It could be argued that LGPE was the first truly bad Pokemon game but it didn't signify the total collapse of the series the way that Sword and Shield does.
I wouldn't go that far in regards to LGPE, at least from watching it. Haven't actually played it myself. Seems like it was pretty much meant to be a watered-down, easier pokemon game, and it seemed to deliver on that front. I can definitely understand hardened veterans having issues with its simplicity, but it's genuinely something I'd co-op with someone who hadn't touched a pokemon game before if I could get it at a discount. Definitely agree on Sw/Sh, though, although that was more an issue of it not being in the oven for long enough. Again, didn't play it myself, nor do I intend to outside of maybe a super cheap game + DLC bundle
>>16940862
>Then you've got the 3DS games, which are still good but don't seem like Gamefreak was quite as passionate about making.
I wouldn't quite call the 3DS titles good, at least the ones I played (Y and Sun). They were passable for what they were. The former just felt underwhelming in general, although I can somewhat forgive it since it was the first foray into an actual 3D title. Sun helped modernize the 3D maps, but had way too much fucking handholding. I thought it would end after the first hour, but it never really did properly end. The way they handled the Elite 4 champion shit was 10/10 though. All in all, I'd definitely consider B/W my personal GOAT. Haven't touched BW2 or HGSS though, I've heard plenty of good about both.
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52014a No.16940877
I haven't played Pokemon since 2010, what is LGPE?
Also, Pt and HGSS are top tier I agree.
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bf72ed No.16940878
>>16940877
Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, feels more like a spin-off combining Pokemon Go's simplified catching/candy mechanics with Kanto's environment.
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755dba No.16940880
>>16940872
That's the default position of the cursor, not the move picked. There's two status moves. I'm not sure how you could complain about those particular moves.
>just goes for an attack
If the level being higher (too high) is as you claim enough that should be plenty to just go for a regular attack.
Just because Galvantula is higher leveled doesn't mean the opponent doesn't outspeed me with its perfect IVs. 7 levels higher when you've still got the champion to fight doesn't seem unreasonable either.
Don't shit on poke skills with your presumptions. There's plenty of things you could've mentioned as actual improvements like the two unevolved pokemon or not having any items equipped. Though misty terrain should be replaced with reflect or something.
>>16940877
What's google?
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ba5489 No.16940883
>>16940872
If I remember correctly the post game ORAS Elite 4 is actually very strong compared to most of the other games in general. They each use 6 mons and a mega.
>>16940878
Specifically it is a very weird remake of Pokemon Yellow where the player characters and rival are actually distinct characters from the player characters and and rival of the originals and FireRed/LeafGreen, who also appear in the game. I don't really get what the purpose was but it's cool in a weird way.
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755dba No.16940884
>>16940883
I get flak for this one often. But I always thought Trace was designed to be gender neutral in an attempt to push the boundaries with follow up titles regarding trannies even further. His name has TRA in it, too. So it's not like I'm completely off-base here.
>postgame
not postgame. Just Drayano things.
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ba5489 No.16940885
>>16940884
the levels did look a little high
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dee41b No.16940886
>>16940884
if you think Trace is bad get a load of Ash's latest companion, Go
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755dba No.16940887
>>16940886
Just an ugly baldy from the anime. People really lack standards when it comes to this stuff.
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000000 No.16940893
>>16940886
The designer outright said that he had to put a tremendous amount of effort in to make his arms and legs look feminine.
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221324 No.16940895
>>16940838
Play regular JRPGs like Romancing SaGa and you'll find out why
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000000 No.16940897
>>16940895
>Play regular JRPGs
Why would anyone do that to themslves?
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4851ca No.16940900
>>>16940886
>Romancing SaGa
Just looked it up. The 6 monsters this guy encountered just all defended to let a single one attack. Is that smart AI supposed to win me over? What am I missing?
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4851ca No.16940902
>>16940895
meant to reply >>>16940900
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221324 No.16940909
>>16940900
>>16940902
It's a sandbox JRPG where you can recruit anyone
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a79432 No.16940911
>>16940880
I can see in the screen caps (in the op) you got a move in before you fainted retard.
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62dc09 No.16940938
imagine if sword/shield was actually a good game. The battle system was fucking great. it has everything it needs to be great, and then they went and put no thought or love into the game. fucking typical triple A garbage.
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000000 No.16940940
>>16940938
Why bother with effort when autists around the world will buy whatever you shit out?
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0e76b0 No.16940942
>>16940839
If you mean the 3D engine games eg X/Y SunMoon/USUM/Swordshieldgun, they're all more or less the same, a lot of the side things have been cut down for story presentation, somehow Sword and Shield runs like aids on the switch despite for most cases, just being a 3ds game.
If we're talking Gen 4 and 5, they kinda alright, gen 5 had amazing post game content with being able to take on nearly every gym leader ever, but that may have been like, an online thing I don't really remember at this point.
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20da0e No.16940954
>>16940942
bw2 had the world tournament thing which wasn't online and was probably the best of the series for endgame content after emerald.
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1f5257 No.16940956
>>16940845
Are you forgetting that the rivals in all the new pokemons pick the starter thats weak to yours so even a fucking monkey could beat them? They're without a doubt getting more and more braindead as time goes on and it never really required big brain activity to begin with.
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0e76b0 No.16940964
>>16940954
That's probably what I was thinking of
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3a6fea No.16940984
>>16940909
Just like Pokemon? How does that work?
>>16940911
Your point being? That was not some lie you caught or anything.
>>16940954
Do you actually genuinely believe the PWT beats the fucking Battle Maison or Battle Tree if we're talking pure gameplay? It probably beats it in nostalgia wank but is that really all that important?
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ba5489 No.16940988
>>16940984
>>16940954
The PWT is far better than the either of the two, or the battle tower, subway, etc. It is so much better because it is not nearly so boring. I have tried to get to 50 wins in Battle Tree and couldn't quite do it; I got RNG cucked around battle #44 or so. For comparison, a single session of the PWT is only 3 battles, so you can still progress and not get cucked All the characters' battle themes were remade for BW2, this meant that you wouldn't have to listen to the same song over and over again like the other battle facilities. You combine that with nostalgia, with the ability to fight all the past champions, gym leaders, etc. and it really is a better format.
BW2 also had another battle facility where you would fight to the top to get a shiny dragon egg, and the battle subway from BW1.
Battle Tree was a slight inprovement on the Maison/Tower/Subway because it still included occasional fights against NPCs from past games, but these were only every 10 battles, and you couldn't control who you fought againsr. I battled Grimsley something like 3 times in a row but never battled Wally, Blue, Colress, in the 70 or so battles I've had on the Tree.
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4851ca No.16940995
>>16940988
>it's boring
Use speed toggle in emulator. Try more than a single team etc. I could use the same logic and say pokemon battle themes are all samey and boring compared to real music. I'd not even be lying and genuinely think this, too.
Purely from a gameplay perspective the Battle facilities are more hardcore.
>it's only an improvement because nostalgia wank
So you ignore the 1000s of IV trained pokemon with different setups from the Maison/Tree just for some fank? Fank isn't an improvement, gameplay is.
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447c96 No.16941091
>>16940995
Yeah they are more hardcore, in part because the game starts cheating against you as you go higher up. I was initially skeptical of these kind of claims but when I had 4 high jump kick misses in a row after 40+ wins I knew something was up. I would much rather play 3 matches against established, beloved characters than a hundred against some random nobodies, especially since the first few dozen floors of such facilities aren't even challenging.
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4851ca No.16941252
>>16941091
>starts cheating against you as you go higher up
I never minded this. I don't mind the AI cheating in Yugioh either. I didn't mind when the (YGO) anime blatantly made up the rules either. It's not a myth that the AI cheats in Pokemon. It does this not just in the facilities but also during legendary battles in Sun/Moon for example by reading your inputs. The first few dozen not being a challenge is a fair point though. I guess I'm not even being fair since the PWT is a bonus and there's the regular battle subway in Gen 5 as-well. So you do have a point.
Anyhow Pokemon is still the hardest JRPG I've played to date from a pure gameplay perspective and I was sincerely hoping someone would be able to name an actual competent competitor to its throne in this thread.
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20da0e No.16941339
>>16940984
anon, its pokemon. The gameplay is exactly the same, it comes down to the presentation and nostalgia, nothing more.
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4851ca No.16941359
>>16941339
>pokemon is the same
In what aspect?
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ba5489 No.16942728
>>16941359
not him but in the about 25 years it's been around the core gameplay mechanics have not changed drasticallly, especially with newer versions
>Gen 2 introduces held items and splits the Special stat into defense and attack
>Gen 3 introduces abilities
>Gen 4 splits abilities between
>Gen 5 adds essentially nothing in terms of overall mechanics, but deepens the game by adding more pokemon than any other generation as well as giving almost all pokemon a new "hidden" ability
>gen 6 adds mega evolution and several game changing items like assault vest
>gen 7 adds z-moves
>Gen 8 removes content and sells it back to you as DLC because gf are jews now
but overall in terms of battle mechanics things haven't change drastically, you can play a game from gen 8 and understand the battle system from gen 1 without much effort, and vice versa
the same can be argued for capturing aspect of the game and the trading aspect of the game
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4851ca No.16944088
>>16942728
Ah. I know that. I was just confused how one could mean the exact opposite of 'exactly the same' when uttering the words 'exactly the same'
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5d1c1e No.16944092
It's less that their easy, more so the average pokemon player has around 4 games under their belt at this point.
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