/v/ - Video Games

youre delusional

>>16908993

It's a professional game, but looks like any 3D enviroment, 3D character and 3D project, from college freshmen.

>>16908996

the original was really impressive for it's period and Square put all their best efforts.

The remake looks like is the bare minimal effort.

The only reason the game is getting any good marks is because whoever is doing it has ever played the original.

Everyone else that played the game before, soynyfags included, are really on the other side of the fence about this game but don't dare to speak up because they know they will get crucified.

>>16909035

Long story short the game is ripping off the plot of a porn game. Long story told it's both a sequel and a reboot where the timeline is being assraped and there are ghosts running around trying to fix the timeline.

>>16908990

There's still an active thread for this, faggot.

So are the normies eating this up or is it another XV situation where they bought it and are now realizing how much of a cash grab it really is?

>>16909055

>Unlike XV, this doesn't completely shit the bed until the very end

It shits the bed from the first interaction with Aeris.

>>16909061

>It shits the bed from the first interaction with Aeris.

Normalfags don't much care having their choices taken away for muh cinematic storytelling. And that change is relatively minor compared to how devastatingly horrible the end of the game is. They went below and beyond anyone's expectations.

>>16909055

This plot is literal garbage, lmao.

Why there's not a single good writer in the game industry?

Gamers literally shit their pants praising garbage Netflix writing (TLoUS/Uncharted).

>>16908993

Oh look it's the >youre delusional bot again

>>16909055

I'm waiting on nomura to make sephiroph the main over arching villian of all FF now because of this bullshit.

>>16909055

Ok, the plot is utter garbage nonsense that tries to subvert players expectations way too hard and is fan-fiction tier level of writing. How is the gameplay? Is it decent at least? It is awful as FF XV, okeyish as Crisis Core, or actually good, perhaps like KH2's action combat or Vagrant Story rpg combat? Seeing gameplay videos it looks too much like 15 but with the ability to pause and change characters, which doesn't really bode well. Is it at least worth a pirate once it releases on pc?

>>16908993

You can't stop people from bankrupting your company.

There is nothing that you can do about it.

>>16909085

I like the combat system, it's an action rpg and when one of your atb gauge is full you can use the "pause" menu to use a skill. I suggest you don't bother downloading it, for me, it was genuinely a disappointment to see the story get murdered this way.

>>16909085

Combat is definitely better than XV, and I'd argue even XV is better the Crisis Core in terms of gameplay. It has some major flaws though. Poor support AI, poor camera, not enough customizable shortcut commands. I'll have more to say once I actually get into the game. I've only played the demo for now.

In the original game, how did fuck-up cloud manage to kill sephiroth at the nibel reactor?

>>16909104

He didn't

>>16909106

Excuse me. How'd he manage to throw him into the life stream?

>>16909104

At first he took Zack's sword and stabbed him in the back when he wasn't looking and during the second fight, Sephiroth impaled him with his sword then Cloud grabbed the sword and used it to throw Sephiroth into the mako reactor.

>>16909104

>>16909107

Dumb luck, adrenaline, and the element of surprise because Sephiroth was busy jizzing himself over getting Jenova. He arguably didn't even kill him.

IT'S NEW SO IT'S SHIT

>>16909108

>>16909109

Seems like pretty shitty writing to not have a concrete explanation for such a pivotal plot point.

>>16909085

The gameplay would be fine, if they hadn't brought back the stagger system from FFXIII; which ruins everything for me.

User score on metacritic has dropped to 8.0 for the third time.

>>16909120

>man who's been shown to be batshit crazy gets back stabbed while transfixed on the object of his obsession

What's so bad about it?

>>16909120

It is explained though. It was luck and a sneak attack. Also he didn't even manage to kill him. The entire scene was (seemingly) designed to not make sense in order to support the "but you were not even there" twist and cloud/tifa plot shit later in the game.

It's stupid but that's how it went down.

Adding Sephiroth in this remake has one and only reason: the fanservice.

How to fit him in? Let's reuse a plot from first Final Fantasy game by bringing him back from alternate timeline.

Don't be a surprise if the four fiends are going to appear on part 2 or something shit like that

>>16909115

>IT'S NEW AND IT'S SHIT

fixed

>>16909156

The four fiends would be ok as side bosses.

is this combined universe bullshit gonna result in disney buying square enix and combining marvel's universe with kingdom hearts and all of the FF games to make a soulless abominations that normalfags all over the world will love because they have no tongues with which to taste?

>>16909196

Nah man, as side bosses, not linked in any way to the story, just a sidequest of some kind with a superboss at the end.

Score has climbed to 8.1 for the 4th time. If there isn't a bunch of changed scores from people reaching the end, then it will probably settle around there.

>>16909156

>Let's reuse a plot from first Final Fantasy game by bringing him back from alternate timeline.

Except it's not. The only thing they have in common is the main villain going to the past and a time paradox. There's nothing about fate and there's only one timeline with an unresolved time paradox. The plot is ripped straight from MGQP. Especially since it's a sequel that requires to first game's plot to have taken place. Maybe there's things other than just time travel that it has in common with XIII-3, but didn't follow the games after XIII.

>>16909197

That's something I said in the last thread. In an ideal FFVII remake, good new content would be something like a non-canon post-game dungeon with superbosses from other FF games. Something that has been done before and well with rereleases of some of the 2D FFs.

>>16909055

>Monster Girl Quest Paradox

What's that?

>>16909217

Some people said it's an hentai game.

>>16909085

The combat system is good, amazing compared to the shit show of FFXV,

the problem with the combat system in ff7R is that it makes the game feel like a slog,I even stopped checking to see what the enemies were (beyond human mech monster etc) as you just spam square and use the right spell to take advantage of their weakness, there's no interesting enemies that require any unique strats, its just fire ice thunder

>>16909228

>>16909225

Damn, that actually makes it kind of worst. If the gameplay was complete shit, then it would have not been that great of a loss, but if it is actually decent but flawed then it just a shame. I don't understand how , as >>16909228 said, they do not use what they had learn from past game to deliver a great game. The gambit system is fucking great, more games should use it, and KH2's is great for action combat. But if what >>16909225 said is right, encounter design is shit, so the system will be wasted anyway for lack of real challenge.

I don't know, perhaps I will pirate once it comes out, but so far is a hard pass. What a shame really, not a big fan of FF 7 but still sucks to see it go this way.

>>16909225

>>16909228

So it has the FFXIII problem where you have to only use weaknesses to get them in a stagger state or else you are doing literally no damage?

>>16909239

>The battle system is neither a good action battle system nor a good rpg battle system

This, it fails at both, even

disagree with KH being bad at it doe, though I would hardly call it a rpg battle system at all

>>16909217

Newfaggots RAUS

>>16909239

Disagree on Kingdom Hearts, KH II in particular was pretty damn good, played recently and is surprising how challenging and actually demanding it can be, as well as giving a decent number of options with Drive forms, Summons and Limits, as well as the numerous skills. Agree with the rest. Then you see Dragon Quest, Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler, that while they may have their flaws and received their fair share of criticism, I'll say they are actually decent games and the battle systems are fun. Mainline FF is absolutely shit. Last decent FF was XII, which, despite its issues, have a very fun RTwP combat system and decent character building (atleast in the Zodiac Version). They want to pander way too hard to an "international" market by trying to make them more "accessible" making them down right experimental games at best, and retarded at worst.

>>16909248

>Newfaggots RAUS

Not everyone follows obscure porn games with convoluted time travel plots. Getting into MGQ in the first place means you'd have to be into /ss/ and femdom.

>>16909035

The time ghosts are a metaphor for fans of the original game. A major part of this game is killing the ghost fans to make room for Nomura's Kingdom Hearts fan fiction wearing a Final Fantasy VII skin.

>>16909260

I mean, relatively speaking. Nobody could defend KHs story and Crisis Core is a cringy retconning clusterfuck.

>>16909268

I prefer KH's story over FFXV's since KH can be fun in a retarded way. FFXV's plot committed the cardinal sin of just being plain boring

>>16908996

I think this is the correct notion to have.

>>16909001

It's fine dude, there's plenty of other reasons to shit on the game. You don't need to grasp for other shit.

>>16909282

The thing that bothers me the most about this game is how many normalfags are falling for it, I do really hope that they come to their senses and realize how terrible it is but I'm worried that they'll eat this up and let SE get away with this. especially since that means I'm going to be pestered by all my normalfag friends trying to get me to play it, I can only rant about how modern SE pisses me off so many times, even if I liked KH3

>>16909300

It's only a matter of time anon. It'll happen to everything you like.

>>16909300

Tactics might not get fucked but FF9 most likely will, especially with Zidane's antics and the whole Garnet fleeing while "patriarchal macho" Steiner tries to hold her strong, smart and independant tries to protect her.

>>16909316

Sorry, I had a brainfart at the end of the sentence.

>>16909268

>I mean, relatively speaking. Nobody could defend KHs story

The subject was battle systems.

>>16909268

>>16909335

Oh wait, no. I'm retarded.

I think I've seen some stupid arguments where people say they've played so much FF7 on many different platforms before the release of this remake that this being different than intended makes it good or exciting. If this was called Final Fantasy Rebuild, I'd say their opinion would be fine but this clearly says remake and it makes so many fundamental changes to the core of what made FF7 that it might as well be a different game with a FF7 skin on it. Upgraded graphics, story and character elaboration, remixing some scenarios and extra gameplay and boss fights are fine but don't add nonsensical elements that weren't there from the start.

Also, if they're going to do alt scenarios for the main FF games, I could see them doing a whole remake series similar to what they did with FF7 remake. Another parallel main FF series called Final Fantasy: If. It doesn't even have to use the bullshit arbiters of fate for all of them. Just make radical story changes to fit current day politics. I doubt they'd do this because they can't sink as much money as they're doing for FF7 remake but I can see them doing this. Saying something is a remake but it's more of a re-imagining or reboot.

>>16909282

I would think they'd go with the Hollywood style of inserting the number into the title. Hell, even Resident Evil 8 is doing that with village by making it VIIIage. 3rd remake is easy by making Remak3. If they make it to 4 then they can make t hat Rem4ke. 2nd is slightly hard. I'd either go with 2 Remake like in To Remake or Remake2 if you think the 2 is a backwards S.

The reasonable thing to have done, if this was a real remake and it was still in parts is have the subtitles be the sections you'll go through. The first would be obviously Midgar. The others would be harder to encompass the area you'll be going through and how many parts SE is thinking other than the traditional trilogy format.

>>16909224

>>16909217

>>16909224

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>>16909345

>I think I've seen some stupid arguments where people say they've played so much FF7 on many different platforms before the release of this remake that this being different than intended makes it good or exciting.

That's the somewhat dishonest argument, the others are:

<arguing in bad faith over the definitions remake/remaster

<calling people virgins/nerds/incel/purist for caring too much

<saying you can play the original if you don't like it

<saying it was never advertised as a 1:1 remake even though it was

Oh boy I can't wait till Aeris doesn't die and everyone will proclaim how brilliant squenix is for a twist nobody saw coming.

>>16909345

Or just go the "Vol. 1/2/3/4" route like .hack did from the fucking start, rather than be "surprise this isn't actually finished like the cover and spine suggest" to anyone unaware.

>>16909344

It's been fixed, but it apparently screwed game files for those who used mods on it. Some even can't fix the game after reinstalled everything.

>>16909217

>>16909224

Get out newfags

>>16909345

>>16909357

Pretty sure it was a strategy as well to market is a remake so that they could rope all the nostalgia fags in and once they gave them the first game they knew they had them since they'd have to pay twice more to see the ending. Pretty fucking despicable.

>>16908990

>default settings are BAD

why would an engine have it's defaults to be terrible? there's a reason why it's the default

>>16909224

>hentai game

Can't be look at these trailers

>>16909355

>>16909346

Full of monsters, guessing it's some final fantasy ripoff that is now being ripped off by final fantasy.

>>16909387

>Full of monsters, guessing it's some final fantasy ripoff

Is this bait? Though if I had to argue any similarities, it's like FFIII+DQV and bigger than both combined.

>Can't be look at these trailers

Oh, it is.

>>16909384

I don't think he's saying default settings. He's saying they're using default assets. Which is probably why a bunch of people are complaining about poor textures.

>>16909403

>He's saying they're using default assets. Which is probably why a bunch of people are complaining about poor textures.

But, this isn't a PC game.

You can count the polygons on some of the textures. I don't know how much is the piss4's fault though. When it comes out on pc we'll know for sure.

>>16909444

What fresh hell is this?

>>16909468

If that's our future then I hope all of the volcanoes erupt.

>>16909468

I don't think Square has enough money to continually be this retarded for that long.

>>16909481

They do if idiots keep buying this shit.

Because this thread has been somewhat derailed by Monster Girl Quest, does anyone have that horrifying video of the Egg saved? Dear god I hope someone knows what i'm talking about

I had it on my old computer but haven't resaved it on my new one.

>>16909505

But it hasn't been, what are you talking about?

>>16909550

Gross

>>16909553

Emphasis on somewhat

>>16909115

Literally, yes. So?

Can't stop boycotts and refunds, shill.

>>16909685

What a hack. I can't wait for him to get canned, start his own company and then beg for kickstarter money.

>>16909563

>browses the chans

>>16909055

Whats the storyline again for Paradox? It's been a long time since i played and fap to that game

>>16908990

I coined this term ages ago but this is what I call Havok Syndrome, basically because the game is built on top of middleware and everything already works so the developers won't bother fine tuning it, or overhauling it.

If you cared about this you deserved to be hurt.

>>16909481

>I don't think Square has enough money to continually be this retarded for that long.

Look at Kingdom Hearts.

>>16910238

Not even that, to be a KH clone it would at least need jumping attacks, this shit doesn't even have a jump button

>>16909563

>chans

>>16910344

I already listed all the relevant parts to FF7R I could think of. Do you want info from the end of the second part on how shit got all timefucked in the first place?

>>16910678

Funny thing is, even KH3 was pretty solid after the critical mode update. This game had an all star team attached and sqaure or one of the directors still managed to fuck it up trying to go for mass appeal. I guess time will tell if, like XV, it’s still scene as a success from a financial stand point even if everyone eventually hates it and sees it for the garbage it really is.

>>16910824

>like XV, it’s still scene as a success from a financial stand point

Maybe by uninformed normalfags. XV was financially hot garbage. They fucking cancelled the DLC for their flagship title. When was the last time a developer as big as Squeenix did that? Mass Effect Andromeda? They burned massive amounts of cash in development hell before the game's development actually got going proper. Then they burned more massive amounts of money on completely retarded shit like a custom clothing line by some overpriced snobby designer for the characters in the game, a fucking car, an anime, and a movie. And only the movie turned out good among those decisions.

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>>16910837

A lot of NPC's look and animate like trash, too, judging by the IGN review.

>>16910840

link to bunker?

>>16910857

Nice bait.

>>16910859

https://prolikewoah.com/v/catalog.html

>>16909055

>Almost all jewtubers and critic reviewers neglect to mention or even hint at the big shamalamdingdong twist.

Right about now, Maximilian Chode has about 20k plebs watching his shit heap twitch stream of the game.

>>16909115

What the fuck, did I accidentally stumble on cuckchan?

>>16911398

Could be.

>>16910857

>The complaints about the plot being "too different from the original" are just pure fucking autism, you realize that they have to sell this game to more than just 40 year old faggots who still use IRC, right?

so what's your argument here? the story was never good? the story is only good for people who played it back then?

>>16911449

There are no arguments, the remake sold because of what the game was, not what nomura turned it into. He's a fag.

>>16911511

They crammed their fanfiction into the dialogues.

>>16910824

XV failed financially.

Square only released the shipped numbers. Not actual sales numbers. Their planned scams/DLC were cancelled midway.

Don't believe the shills' lies.

Final Fantasy XV failed on all fronts.

>>16909685

>>16911558

Canonically, Donald Duck wins against Sephiroth. Also:

>Square's autist producers hint at wanting to make a Final Fantasy shared universe

>Noctis from FF 15 is a canon character in Tekken 7

>A whatever The Walking Dead is also a canon character in Tekken 7

Street Fighter characters are canon in the Tekken universe

>Thanks to "muh parallel dimensions" shitty writing, Street Fighter characters are also canon in Super Smash Bros and in the Marvel Comics universe

>FF 7's Cloud and Sephiroth are also canon in Smash Bros.

>Castlevania, Megaman, Sonic The Hedgehog, Metal Gear and Fatal Fury are all canon universes in Smash Bros.

Do you see where this is going?

You will live to see Thanos riding a Chocobo fighting against the The Walking Dead cast summoning Dracula, while Kirby piloting a Metal Gear robot allies himself with Ryu to learn to use the hadouken so they can save the future where Megaman is Fighting Darth Vader and his army of Moogles.

>>16911550

>>16911529

goddamnit im eating.

>>16911550

For the love of god, let this board die already.

>>16908990

Okay then make a game that looks better, faggot. Oh wait you can't because you're a nodev.

>>16911603

>You will live to see Thanos riding a Chocobo fighting against the The Walking Dead cast summoning Dracula, while Kirby piloting a Metal Gear robot allies himself with Ryu to learn to use the hadouken so they can save the future where Megaman is Fighting Darth Vader and his army of Moogles.

Except that is way more awesome than what they will actually do.

>>16911740

Hi Nomura. Will you finally commit honorable sudoku after this or continue to live as a coward?

>>16911511

They tossed out all of Cyber Connect 2's work and started from scratch. So both the demo and the game look alike because they both were the results of 2 years of development.

>>16909180

The four fiends are just different Sephiroths

>>16908990

>Announced 15 years ago

Why haven't I seen any memes for this one?

>>16912076

It may sound awesome, until they do it. Then, they will find a way to turn it into shit.

>>16911740

I won't make any game.

I wil instead make as many normalfags abandon the notion of giving money to companies such as Square-Enix, and thus, stopping to give money to shills.

And there is nothing that you can do about losing more and more money.

>>16912388

Just watch as they push both Sephiroth and Lightning to be canon into all universes from the IPs that the company own.

>>16911603

If you mean Marvel because of Marvel vs. Capcom, I'm pretty sure that isn't canon to any main Marvel universe. However, it would be in the Marvel Multiverse. But that's not saying much. Practically everything is in the Marvel Multiverse. And isn't Super Smash Bros. all toys based on the various video games featured?

>>16912937

It does. But Square would market it as a nearly 1:1 remake of one of the existing Final Fantasies, and then it wouldn't be fun. I'd be a lot more positive about the VII sequel too if Square didn't lie to me about it not being a sequel. Also, at least half of the crossover game's content would be Day One DLC content too.

>>16909408

>Gus

The guy actually loved games. Freed from this mortal coil.

>>16912720

It's funny how originally the FF games were all completely unrelated plotwise, and yet recently a number of the side games have been completely about crossing the worlds over for no reason. I mean, nobody really is going to have a fit if a crappy side-game like Theatrhythm or Worlds of Final Fantasy exists, because crossover games are a tradition unto themselves, and a huge series like FF is I guess certainly going to have a crossover at some point. But the major games were always separate except for themes and, rarely, a boss or something. Gilgamesh gets a free pass because he's Gilgamesh. But then there's what they did with The After Years, which is really around the time when things began to get worrisome. And major characters crossing between games is another story–and unimportant cameos like Cloud in FFT aren't what I'm talking about. Really, there was no larger Final Fantasy canon at all, but like this or some other thread kept saying that does seem to be exactly what they're trying to set up.

>>16912474

It's too obvious, and also was completely undiscussed for most of that time. It's not like DNF where the devs kept promising that it was coming soon and publicly showing materials as they did their engine fandango. Rather it was sorta vaguely promised, then ignored in favor of Advent Children and Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus and then the messes that FFXIII and FFXIV and FFXV turned into sorta took over FF news for a while.

>>16913133

It's going to get even worse if they dip into FF8, because of Time Kompression. They probably already did, and that's how Zack will join up with the party, and whoever else they want.

What happened with The After Years? I don't know anything about that.

>>16909085

>Ok, the plot is utter garbage nonsense that tries to subvert players expectations way too hard and is fan-fiction tier level of writing.

Isn't that every FF game, especially the ones since the PS1?

>>16913157

>What happened with The After Years?

There's a heavy implication through the final dungeon bosses + final boss dialogue that all but outright says Final Fantasy I, III, IV, and V all take place in the same universe. And the final boss destroyed all of those worlds except IV's.

>>16913193

Come to think of it–and I dunno why I never thought of it this way–that was a pretty unsubtle way of saying "we as the creators of them say that the old FF is dead and never coming back." Sorta like how FFIX was supposed to be the send-off love letter to the older, fantasy kind of Final Fantasy games, except instead of a love letter it was more of a "what's in the box" letter.

>>16913133

>and unimportant cameos like Cloud in FFT

Oh lord I forgot about that and the Xenogears reference. They're totally that minor little "cloud was seeing other worlds in the life stream" easter egg and going to run that into the ground and use it to justify all this crossover bullshit.

>>16913255

Aerith also has a cameo in Tactics.

>>16913327

That felt like less a cameo and more that the random girl just happened to look like her.

>>16913569

They probably want to split the fan base to make sure the ones who don't like the new story are labeled a certain way in order to dismiss all the criticism.

>>16913569

>why are there so many shills for a bad game

Even at IGN the commenters are disappointed by the game and are joking about nomura and his fanfiction.

I never really was attached to FF7s plot and always thought FF9 was the best anyways. Probably because I only played them in college and not as a kid.

The campiness of this game's writing is amusing if you can divorce yourself from any attachment you had to the original game's narrative. Also, the fact that every no-name NPC blurts out a badly acted line the moment you walk within 5 feet of them is hilarious. I enjoy shit games too much

>>16913890

I'm not going to look for them, but I'd wager every review that honestly talks about how big of a change the story has will have similar comment sections. The difference between the comment sections for the IGN review and the shilling Gamespot review are like night and day, and the difference is IGN is honest about the changes.

>>16913569

There's going to be a lot of useful idiots as well who are in denial that their game isn't the bestest ever.

>>16914479

Normalfags are eating it up. But there's also a lot of "I liked it, but…" from the normalfags. Only shills and fanboys who would've loved it no matter what are giving it perfect scores. FF7R will succeed. But I don't see how the sequels avoid suffering from large diminishing returns even with shills and fanboys defending everything about Nomura, similar to XIII's and XV's performance.

>>16914479

I knew it wasn't going to be perfect as well, I just wasn't expecting it to end up like this. It's just a game, yet, ever since I saw with my own two eyes what had happened to it, I've felt like shit.

>>16914581

The vast majority of the game is a genuine remake minus the Sephiroth nonsense, and midway you get Advent Children nonsense with the first motorcycle sequence, but as it goes on the time ghosts get more and more prevelant until the final two chapters where it goes completely off the rails with everything I just mentioned. If it wasn't for those three things I just mentioned, my biggest compaint would be there's too much padding with exceedingly long dungeons. Tifa having to do slow monkey bars, Hojo's lab, and probably some others I can't remember. But that's not the case, because the story and style has been completely shattered.

Part 2 is probably going to completely ignore FF7's story, and I hope the sales will follow the FFXIII trend at the very least.

>>16914746

>The vast majority of the game is a genuine remake minus the Sephiroth nonsense

And the fucking time jannies that show up over and over again. Oh wait you mentioned those a moment later. And all the scenes where Aerith clearly shows she knows the future. And all the headaches Cloud gets where he sees glimpses of the future. And Shinra doing both reactor explosions themselves so Avalanche can be an almost completely black and white good guy organization. Did I miss anything else major?

>>16913133

It is purely soulless corporativism. They are following the last trend, that is, Jewsney's Marvel shared universe in their movies (which is already dead and makes no money) and want to make whatever they can that is similar, with their own IPs.

Square doesn't care about anything other than "follow trend and try to profit". They are not developers anymore.

>>16912937

As i said above, te may sound cool. Until they actually make it. And then, they will find a way to turn it into shit. They always do.

>>16913569

They are afraid of reality outside of their empty lives of consumerism. When faced with the reality that all of their "beloved" products are just corporate brand products that are created solely to try to profit from the latest trends, they rage against those pointing out reality to them.

But reality can't be changed. Ever. Give enough time, and even those shills will accept reality. And they will hate it even more. Enjoy the shitshow after that.

>>16913915

May Kek and Corona-chan hear you. More lolis are always welcome.

Remake sephiroth reminds me of this guy.

>>16914822

It really is quite astonishing. I wonder who was responsible for that among Nomura/Kitase/Nojima/Toriyama? Is any one more likely than the others? Are there any other names involved that could be to blame?

>>16914845

>memorable moments relatively unscathed

>such as climbing 65 flights of stairs.

<The only thing that truly makes it through faithfully is something that helps the padding

Wew laddy.

>>16913133

Holly fuck, glad I never played the after years. The concept of a "multiverse" is absolute cancer that not only never adds anything to any of the stories, it totally trivializes all the actions of the original casts. Who cares that you saved the world when it was actually just world #1930244566 of an infinite number of duplicate worlds, the others of which were saved or destroyed randomly. Oh and actually it will still be destroyed because the NEW big bad is destroying the fabric of the multiverse or something.

It's a totally uninteresting and nonsensical trope originally used as an excuse to let comicbook hacks have limited runs for their more idiotic fanfiction, but shamefully the cancer continues to spread. Seriously, what kind of pathetic demented creature thinks a story will actually be *better* with the tacking on of a multiverse?

>>16915108

>because it sells

It doesn't

>it doesn't matter

>This is what an industry does

If so, that justifies destroying all industries.

>Original assets

It does funny enough.

Games loses soul when they see the same photocopier from another game.

Unity games is plagued by this.

>>>/v/16915172

>destroying all industries because of a shitty game.

Fuck up Luciano, you wouldn't know the first thing about art/craftsmanship if it jumped you and lynched your subhuman baboon-ass.

Now piss off back to your OAG hugbox, no one wants you here.

Polite sage for offtopic.

>>16914942

An optional, funny moment straight from the original, You're bitching too much about the wrong things.

>>16910778

Same anon and sure

>>16915172

are you that mentally crippled, reading impaired turbo-torpedoleech commie /v/illageidiot shitting up the other FF7RE thread on /v/??? you know: the one who consistently calls me a corporate whore. and a shill. yet keeps reading over the majority of my comments solely dedicated to ripping scam-enix and their afterbirth of a remake a new shithole. and where i explain the difference between honest business and lazy scammers like square/disney/marvel..

so once again:

if you grew crops on a field were you putted in a ton of sweat, water,time and effort would you at the end of all the hard work at harvest season. allow a pack of feral niggers to swoop on in and take whatever they want from your field??? for free???

if so:

go sail the seven seas some more you jolly swarzbuckling pink fairy flamingo faggoty-assed buttpirate.

napster is dead, kazaa is dead, frostwire is dead, limewire is dead, and piratebay is only a good way to download and preview shit before you decide that shit is good enough to throw shekels at whoever made it.

cry harder salty scooner.

>>16915295

>Bitching

You don't find it funny, that one of the things they don't fuck up is a tedious moment that helps the padding? I'm not denying it was optional and funny in the original. But in this sequel, it just blends in with all the other padding. It can't really stand out as tedious when the whole game is fucking littered with tediousness.

>>16915544

I'm not sure where you came from, but you need to go back. Not that I'm defending Luciano either.

>>16915361

Why are you changing IPs?

>In the first game, when you fail, you see Illias, she gives advice on your foe, and you try again

>The second game makes all these failures, hundreds of them at least, canon by saying Illias was actually using time magic to save you

>This fucks up the fabric of space-time somewhat, but it can naturally heal itself over, time?

>Killing Illias however and dispersing her immense magical power causes a ripple effect on all these tiny tears in time she made, ripping time-space right open

>Way back when Remina, the town of friendly humans and monsters in Hellgondo, hadn't been destroyed by Illias, the science angel Promestein was helping humans do science stuff

>One such project was to fuse light and dark magic to summon the Hero Heinrich's soul using his sword

>The giant hole in space-time generates and second alternate universe/timeline where Illias is all glitchy, popping in and out of existence at random

>By chance, she pops out of existence when she was supposed to destroy Remina

>So the expirement continues, but Black Alice's blood is on the sword, and since she temporarily swallowed Illias at the end of the game she was a giant source of light/dark magic

>So she gets ripped out of timeline 2 and summoned instead, just before her defeat

>Now that she has time, she gets used to balancing light/dark power, and immediately becomes a new third god, the god of Chaos which is the result of mixing light/dark elements

>She flies into the sky, knocking over Heaven in the process, preventing the events of that timeline from reaching the point where she would swallow Illias in the first place, and creating a paradox

>Time-space is fucking shredded, and dozens of alt-timeline universes are created

>You play as the Luka from one of these universes.

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>>16915544

Piracy will always find a way. One source dies, a dozen sources are developed to replace it.

There is nothing wrong in stealing from corporations and jews.

There is also nothing wrong in destroying any business and industry that don't operate on quality above anything else.

Cry more, shill. Your company and industry of choice will be brought down, and there is nothing that you can do about it.

>>16916110

>>16916584

I wonder if a decent repack of the original PC version still exists, MIDI soundtrack and all? I figured modern torrents would be based off the Steam version with the digital audio.

>>16916643

I actually have all the music saved as .flac and looped .ogg; for the game itself, as run through a Yamaha DB50XG. I used it the last time I played FF7, but the installation has changed since then so I'm trying to figure it out again. I've never used Reunion, and the last time I played this was before the Steam version existed. All my old mods are no longer supported/updated.

By the way, the soundtrack sounds amazing through the Yamaha card.

>>16915958

True, but piracy is still a niche practice and most people just buy shit. DRM is unnecessary mainly because most people WILL just buy shit. And if your game doesn't get pirated, it won't sell in general, since piracy is pretty much free global advertisement and marketing done for you.

>>16916908

It’s such a cash grab it hurts.

>>16916931

Though Nomura is the clear cause for FF7, SE still making good RPG's might have to do with >>16916885 also. It could be the teams making the good games don't have to answer to Sony, in addition to not being saddled by named literal madmen. I don't care to follow SE's and Sony's relationship to confirm, but it's something to think about.

>>16916934

>good teams don't have to deal with Sony

Well the Bravely Default team works with Nintendo and later ported Octopath to PC, so there might be something to that.

How strange the pendulum has swung back so hard and now Sony is censoring anime titties and jokes while Nintendo lets devs go nuts as long as it passes the ratings board.

>>16916879

>doubt VII will even end at part3)

It was changed from 3 to 4 parts something like over a year ago.

>>16916885

>>>all ran through the ethics department

>"Ethics department" is code for Sony.

Speaking of, you think the fag or group in particular telling the devs to censor can be spotted in the credits? It'd be weird for both Nomura and a Squeenix representative refer to this ethics department's involvement and them not show up in the credits of the game.

>>16916934

There's the theory their investors don't want them competing with themselves so they won't make a huge game a JRPG when they already have a bunch of well selling JRPGs, one of which is a huge game like DQXI.

>>16908990

It's right odd, like they still don't know how to function with UE4 properly, pretty dumb point to bet on remakes and remasters.

It looks fine, stop talking shit

This is so weak, it's embarassing.

>>16916584

There's a fan translation?

>>16917278

"Beacause" is the translation part. You don't need to use everything in the Reunion mod.

>Beacause is a Final Fantasy VII relocalization. It is a complete retranslation and relocalization from the ground up, using the original Japanese script. The aim is to have an end product that is accurate and professional. Official sources have been used to minimize errors in context and spelling. The project's name "Beacause" comes from a misspelling (in the original localization) of the only line spoken by Jenova.

https://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=14914.0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DUjmyW94zcYoX7gIW5yAT4giTPeNmCR4TCaHAiXOLlU/edit#gid=1292658812

>>16917130

… I hope they drop the “remake” title eventually. This isn’t a remake and they should feel ashamed leading people on and marketing it as such.

>>16916891

>Being this desperate to pretend that a failing corporation isn't failing

>and yet, call others for "not handling the truth

>being this delusional

All companies can be brought down. And will. If things are "so good", why are you shilling so hard for those soon to be dead companies?

>>16916910

Not so niche, as the next generation of kids are being taught by their fathers how to pirate games and other software. Make no mistake: companies know that piracy is growing exponentially, and that they can't stop it. You will see more and more shills crying about it, but also pretending that "it is nothing bro", when they know damn well that it, and the spread of information about scams such as this FF 7 sequel are indeed affecting their profit negatively. To the point that they send shills to try (and fail) to spread the lies of "it won't matter bro" or "it is nothing bro".

Give enough time, and you will see those companies getting more desperate because of piracy, and thus, committing even more mistakes, which will turn even more normalfags towards piracy or make them abandon the medium completely.

That is what companies and shills fear most. And they know that they have no power to stop it.

To put it simple: nobody has the power to kill piracy. Piracy will only "die" as a consequence of the whole industry dying, so there will be nothing worth pirating.

As long as there exists something that can be pirated, it WILL be pirated. Sooner or later.

>16917198

>16917269

Can't stop people from killing your company, shill. There is nothing that you can do about it.

>>16917526

No corporate suit ever had any shame. You should have learned it by now.

Do they have a marketing budget? Yes? Then, they are your enemies. They will lie to you to take money away from you and give nothing of what they promise.

>>16917269

>Can't stop people from killing your company, shill.

I was talking about the post directly above mine.

>>16917859

Oh I know, thats why I said “should”. The only reason this turning out the way it did makes me feel anything at all is because as a teenager I desperately wanted a FF7 remake. Like I said above, from the get go I knew it wasn’t going to be the game we wanted, but it’s actually depressing just how much Square fucked it up.

Even with all we knew right up until release a small part of me hoped there was going to be something of worth hidden under all the shit, but there just isn’t.

>>16917859

(more offtopic bullposting lol wasnt this a thread about FF7RE being a fail)

posting it yet again because last time you left me with no answer and because of your thick stubborn refusing skull:

if you grew watermelons on a field were you putted in a ton of sweat, water,time and effort would you at the end of all the hard work at harvest season. allow a pack of feral niggers to swoop on in and take whatever they want from your field??? for free???

you do realise that africa is the way it is because of your MUH FREE EVERYTHINGniggeristic way of thinking because every nog in africa who has some decency left in his bones and who tries his best to sustain himself without free gibs and who grows something usefull on a field/producing something usefull for his tribe/drilling a waterwell cant survive because the rest of his lazy subnigger tribe just sits around waiting for the whitey/charity truck to drop weekly free ricebags/watermelons drill a waterwell instead of making shit of their own they could trade with him for watermelons/useful shit/water/. businesses started back in the neolithic times

even apes trade sex for food.

>Not so niche, as the next generation of kids are being taught by their fathers how to pirate games and other software. Make no mistake: companies know that piracy is growing exponentially, and that they can't stop it

if you posted this in 2000 i would have agreed with you wholeheartedly excep their fathers would have been hacking phonebooths in the late 80's.

>Do they have a marketing budget? Yes? Then, they are your enemies

that is the most retarded thing i read this year,

so i am your enemy if i have a picket fence around my watermelon field to keep the feral niggers out and hanged a sign over it telling bypassers i have watermelons to sell and that if the feral niggers want them too they should get in line and pay for them.because growing watermelons aint free and i need a small profit to put food in my mouth and watermelon seeds on my field.

mind you: your shitty attitude of everything free4all hurts small businesses more than square/marvel/disney because unlike the big filthy pigs on the market who have massive unfathomable cash reserves for leaner times/shitty pirates like you. the little guys bussines is his entire livelihood so no, you arent hurting your intended target by declaring bussines your enemy.

and yeah i still hope square-enix gets broke over FF7RE

>>16915183

screenshots?

>>16917862

My bad then. But you should have specified it.

>>16917896

That is because you weren't paying attention to the state of this failing industry.

For Square alone, you could research about how they handled FF 13 and FF 15, and with that information, you would expect nothing but a total trainwreck with no salvageable aspects for FF 7 Part 2.

You must only have hope when the industry at least hires talented and skilled people. Not when it hires hacks with just social "skills"

>>16917930

>allow a pack of feral niggers to swoop on in and take whatever they want from your field? for free?

To take from me? No.

But for me to take from corporate suits? Yes, it is completely ok.

I do to my enemies what i don't want done to myself. And that is ok.

You are comparing essential hard work with non-essential corporate work.

It is always ok to steal from corporations (and jews).

It is not free "everything".

It is "entertainment must always be free", as entertainers are literally slaves to be exploited to death. and anything operating under jews is automatically prone to be stolen.

As for your other example, and citing small businesses: I won't steal food from a small grocery store, IF they operate for their local community only. But i will commit arson to a big corporate food chain, burning everything that i can on their buildings, and stealing whatever i want and can, just for the fact that it is a corporation that owns it.

All corporations are enemies of the people.

All big businesses (and small ones who don't operate locally only) are enemies of the people.

If the people don't agree with it, the people are wrong. Simple as that.

As for who am i hurting, yes, the big and shitty corporations DO get hurt by my actions. The more their shills sperg, the more it becomes clear of their desperation. They profit big, BUT they also spend big (or even bigger) in order to profit, and even small scale actions against their profit margins crash their whole earnings, when done at the right time and against the right products, while targeting the right normalfag audience.

And if they don't get hurt some time or another? Then it is just harmless fun for me to pirate from them and to give nothing in return.

As for the smaller developers: find another job. The videogames industry is owned by corporations, and thus, it must crash.

>>16916584

>aerithres.bmp

?

>>16918452

The images on the CD are the same ones that cycle through the game showing off the main characters. Each one is named properly without spelling errors, and Aeris is named Aerith even though in the game it's Aeris.

I just found it funny, that's all.

>>16917454

>spoonfeeding me this much

Thank you, Anon. That's very nice of you!

>>16918606

No graphics are good early on when you are in the mako reactor or upper parts of Midgar but they are much worse in the slums. Wall Market looks good but Sector 7 and 5 look pretty bad.

>>16918606

>>16918461

Expect Square to replace the battles against the Weapons with more fights against Sephiroth in future instalements of this sequel. If Square doesn't go bankrupt until then.

They will probably even make you fight a number of the reunion clones that now suddenly are full formed Sephiroths, just so they can have another excuse to push for more exposition of Sephiroth through all the sequels' sequels.

>>16918768

Anon, you seem unaware that this remake is chopping the game into 4 parts. Hey hey, another similarity to fucking MGQP. :^) Red XII isn't gone. The game only covers Midgar and Red only joins at the very end of your time in Midgar, so they decided to relegate him to being a support NPC for the first part because they blew their load in both dev time and cash shoving Sephiroth and time dementors up everyone's ass.

>>16918773

I know the game is in 4 parts, but I didn't find any confirmation that he will be playable in the future parts. I'm assuming the worst because why Square do anything good?

>>16918790

*would Square

>>16918787

Greentext of it (going to take multiple posts):

>FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE is out now - we’re sure lots of you had a lovely weekend exploring the richly detailed city of Midgar.

>With the game now on shelves, it seemed like the perfect time to catch up with Co-Director Naoki Hamaguchi and Producer Yoshinori Kitase to talk about their memories of developing the game.

>Interestingly, Hamaguchi-san grew up a big fan of the series - that seemed a logical place to start our discussion:

<Hello again Hamaguchi-san. As a fan, what’s it like to work on the thing you grew up loving?

>Hamaguchi-san: (laughs) I’ve said this to Kitase-san before as well, but I strongly remember playing FINAL FANTASY VII as a child. I really love that game and was really touched by it.

>It became an inspiration for me to join the games industry. I wanted to be able to make something like that - to create something that has that kind of effect on people and could get that emotional reaction.

>So as an adult, I get to be involved in creating entertainment that sticks with people and touches them in some way, and that’s an amazing thing.

>It makes me want to keep trying to get better and better - and get closer and closer to making that ‘ultimate’ game that changes someone’s life, as FINAL FANTASY VII did mine!

>With FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE, I really have put everything I have as a games creator into the project - everything I have learned up to this point. I really hope that the fans love the game, and I’m looking forward to seeing their reaction.

<How did you gather the right team to work on FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE?

>Hamaguchi-san: There are quite a few people like Kitase-san, who were on the original FINAL FANTASY VII development team, as well as developers within Square Enix who have worked on other FINAL FANTASY games - including some of the FINAL FANTASY VII spin-off projects.

>The team is also partly made up of people who were inspired by FINAL FANTASY when they were younger - like myself obviously. It’s fitting because the series is one of the reasons a lot of us wanted to get into making games.

>So we all came together to build a team that has a lot of experience - and a lot of love - for FINAL FANTASY VII.

>And it’s not just Japanese developers either. We’ve had a lot of people from all around the world help too - when they heard we were making a remake of FINAL FANTASY VII, they really wanted to come and join us on this project.

>It genuinely feels great to be involved with people with such a passion for the original game and this project - we wanted to make this the definitive version of FINAL FANTASY VII - and something people remember for another 20 plus years!

>>16918797

<How difficult was it to balance old and new elements in FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE?

>Hamaguchi-san: To explain our philosophy, it really was a case of being respectful to the original game, and then what were the elements of the original that we had to reimagine to create a more immersive experience?

>Most of the additions to the story come from us trying to fill in the gaps from the original game - content that wasn’t included in the original because we couldn’t show it fully with the technology available.

>Kitase-san: For example, some of the transitions and the gaps between story beats in the original FINAL FANTASY VII felt a little uneven or didn’t flow all that smoothly. To overcome that in the remake, we put new elements in to make the story feel more continuous.

>So you can’t really make a clear distinction between what’s new and what’s from the original in FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE. It’s all blended together to make a self-contained story for this first game in the project.

<How much did the story and structure of the game change over development?

>Hamaguchi-san: Quite a bit actually. We worked closely with FINAL FANTAY VII scenario writer Nojima-san - but it wasn’t like he just wrote the story and handed it over to us to base the game on!

>Obviously, as game designers we have to create a nice balance, a nice rhythm throughout the game - find the tensions, the highs, the lows and take it to a good climax at the end. There are certain parts where you want to ramp up the excitement and they become focal points of the story.

>When we started mapping the game out, if the scenario wasn’t supporting that as well as it could, or something just wasn’t adding up, we’d gather all the information we could and send it back to Nojima-san.

>He’d then tweak and adjust the scenario, so it works really well within our envisaged framework as a game.

>Through this iteration, we were able to effectively combine the story Nojima-san wanted to tell, with the structure of a really exciting, satisfying game.

<Sephiroth appears in FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE much earlier than he does in the original game. Why did you make the decision to introduce him here?

>Kitase-san: There are two main reasons. Firstly, the way we handled Sephiroth in the original FINAL FANTASY VII was to hide him - hold him back.

>You may not know this, but I was inspired by the movie Jaws which took a similar approach of teasing this powerful presence, but never fully showing you the shark until later in the story. We wanted to build him up as this really big, powerful character in people’s minds. By only referring to him indirectly, it created this feeling of fear and oppression - so when he makes his first appearance, it’s a big deal.

>But for the remake, that doesn’t work so well - partly because everybody knows who Sephiroth is (laughs)! We didn’t think it would be as effective to have him held back until later on in the story.

Secondly, Sephiroth is this massively overarching presence that looms over the whole FINAL FANTASY VII saga. We wanted to make sure that aspect of him was present in this first game in the project - that’s why we have introduced him much earlier in the story now.

>>16918798

<We’ve talked about the game’s fantastic combat system before, but as an RPG fan, what do you think makes for a good RPG battle system? What elements are important?

>Hamaguchi-san: (thinks) Hmm… I think it’s about giving players options.

>That’s not just important for battles, but also for all kinds of gaming mechanics - but what’s really important for players is that feeling that they’ve made a decision on how to play, and get the feedback that they’ve done well because of it.

>If you only give the player one method of doing something, they don’t really get the impression that they’re playing, right? They’re just doing what they’re told.

>Having multiple options available, and multiple things that a player can do, is very important. It means that when they pick the right one, they feel clever and skilful as a result.

>That feedback cycle is very important. RPG combat provides lots of opportunities to make decisions - from the different abilities, to how they use them on different enemies. When you make the right one, it makes you feel good - I think that’s always important to think about when designing battles.

<Now that the game's out, what’s your favorite memory of working on this project?

>Hamaguchi-san: Honestly, for me it’s really just being involved in it.

>I wasn’t in the games industry when the original game was released - I was just a player like so many other people. The original game - and the FINAL FANTASY series as a whole - is what made me want to get into game development.

>So to work with so many of the original development team, and so many other fans and developers from around the world on this game has been very special.

>>16918790

The plan is to release the game in 4 parts, but after part 2 tanks they will rush to combine parts 3 and 4 and end up ruining shit like they always do (second half of FFXV for example) all while giving the excuse that "the original was 3 discs so we're only going to do 3 parts".

>>16919049

I feel like I could customize Zack more than I can characters in FF7R. I can appreciate character gameplay roles, but this is a little rigid.

>>16919029

>i bought ff7RE believing it was a faithfull ff7 remake.

JeJ

>the cure for this cancer is corona@workplace.

And you not fucking blindly buying shit.

>brainlet

>>>/cuckchan/

>>16919081

>as it implies that current day Cloud went back to Zack's last stand and unseen by Zack took out some Shinra Troops to make it a bit easier for Zack.

Where the hell are you getting that implication? Cloud never time travels. What it implies is that the time jannies needed help fighting Sephiroth so they nicked a few Shinra soldiers while no one was looking to save Zack.

>but somehow Remake Cloud already knows what really happened?

I haven't seen this at all. Cloud still thinks he's Zack, still thinks he's SOLDIER, and still avoids talking about the past because he can't remember it. There's even a scene where Hojo begins to tell Cloud he's not SOLDIER and the time jannies whisk Hojo away.

>>16919185

Oh, it's the ??? troll. I shouldn't have taken the bait.

>>16909505

You probably meant that loss scene to that Egg angel, which remakes Luka into futa angel.

>>16919049

No shit.

I wish companies would stop taking shit all over their own lore, because all their writers became complete hacks only worthy for oven.

>>16919185

>Cloud never time travels.

Cloud uses time materia in OG FF7.

>>>/cuckchan/

Well then, its off to Reddit with you, since that triple arrowshit you do litterally originated from it.

>And you not fucking blindly buying shit.

Implying i hang at square's lips for every new breadcrumb they dropped about FF7 Remake. after i preordered their game months in advance and solely based on the knowledge i had at the time of FF7RE.

But i have learned my lesson, from now on my shekels stay in my wallet where its nice and warm. the Command and Conquer Remake EA is doing right now isnt going to get a shekel from me until at least a few months after release, the same goes for Oddworld Soulstorm.

>And you not fucking blindly buying shit.

And also implying i bought my PS4 for something other than remakes of games i played in the 90's i hopped back 2 ps4 after i learned abes oddesey got a remake, i bought spyro, medevil, and crash bandicoot aswel for the same reasons.

but unlike square-enix toys for bob and oddworld inhabitants arent raping me in the mouth with glorified XxbloodywristsxX GOFFIKGURL Deviantart-tier yaoi sephiroth slashfic.

This game is supposed to be a 4 part series. They've already used 1/3 of the OG game's summons in this first game + 3 new DLC summons + splitting fat chocobo into its own summon to pad them out.

>>16919384

>Sepiroth gives him seven seconds to change something.

Is that what's implied there? Are you sure? Because the song that plays during that cutscene is called 7 Seconds Till the End, It's the same song that plays in the Forgotten City where Aerith dies, and Sephiroth's falling scene where he kills Aerith takes approximately 7 seconds. I'm fairly sure he's referring to wanting Cloud to change the future there.

>>16918750

>>16918755

The worst thing about it is that it may turn out to be true. No meme or exaggeration will be off the table anymore.

>>16918797

In short: we don't care and want the money. Everything else was done following the marketing team's and Soyny's censors orders.

>i litterally stopped playing the final fantasy series after final fantasy 9, and fucked off to xbox shortly after. i hold the believe that final fantasy should have died right there

Yes. But 8 was already a decline that was a warning.

As for other entries, i only cared to play them when i got to for free. I never played any of those on release. The thing with 13 and 15 is that by watching the trainwreck of production + deceives/marketing, you could have predicted the FF 7 sequel being completely shit. You not caring about information on previous failures from Square is what made you commit the mistake of ever giving them money.

>the gameindustry isnt dead either

But it will be. It is in ti's course to be dead soon.

>cure for this cancer is… smaller studios

Who all will, without question, become the next anti-consumer corporations if they are allowed to grow.

They always turn to shit once they get money. It is inevitable.

>brainlet

Impotent cuckchanner, i see.

>ever paying for entertainment

Here is your main mistake.

>>16919442

>They've already used 1/3 of the OG game's summons in this first game

Watch Square turn Sephiroth into a summon to be used against Sephiroth. Because Sephiroth.

>>16919644

>>16919029

Double post because the damn code is lunatic again:

In short: we don't care and want the money. Everything else was done following the marketing team's and Soyny's censors orders.

>i litterally stopped playing the final fantasy series after final fantasy 9, and fucked off to xbox shortly after. i hold the believe that final fantasy should have died right there

Yes. But 8 was already a decline that was a warning.

As for other entries, i only cared to play them when i got to for free. I never played any of those on release. The thing with 13 and 15 is that by watching the trainwreck of production + deceives/marketing, you could have predicted the FF 7 sequel being completely shit. You not caring about information on previous failures from Square is what made you commit the mistake of ever giving them money.

>the gameindustry isnt dead either

But it will be. It is in ti's course to be dead soon.

>cure for this cancer is… smaller studios

Who all will, without question, become the next anti-consumer corporations if they are allowed to grow.

They always turn to shit once they get money. It is inevitable.

>brainlet

Impotent cuckchanner, i see.

>ever paying for entertainment

Here is your main mistake.

>>16919658

It's strange, though. The central thing about this game is that it's a remake of FF7, an enormously important RPG. I can't even imagine how an FF7-naive person would approach and think about it. All marketing and influencers must necessarily mention and talk about how it's this follow-up to an older game. Videos will inevitably be comparing scenes.

>>16919658

>>16919666

I was going through various streams as they approached the ending, and one of them had never played FF7 anything in his life, but he knew about Aerith dying and Sephiroth existing because who doesn't at this point? Once he started seeing teases about future events as the time ghosts were being deleted, he just went "I assume that's important? I have no idea what that is." Eventually he had to ask chat what was even happening. He also knew absolutely nothing about Zack, so the entire ending was confusing to him.

>>16919696

>"I want this to be the definitive version of FF7"

<the storytelling is fucking wankfest designed to pander to fans of the series who still have the mind of a 12 year old even though they're probably around 35 now

It's a shame that the dialogue genuinely has some amusing moments between the main characters between all of the pandering and unnecessary sexual innuendo. That's about the only redeeming thing about the writing.

>>16919658

>all the plot twists only really mean anything to the people who have played the original

Considering how FF7 has been ported to all modern platforms, I doubt anyone who is interested in FF7"remake" hasn't played the original first. With that in mind, the only people who can be counted on to be interested in and actually buy FF7"remake" are the fans, and since Square has disavowed making the remake for the fans, they made a game for an audience that isn't interested in their stupid fanfiction.

>>16919658

>>16919666

>Character motivations, to them, must seem really weak.

>Videos will inevitably be comparing scenes.

I'd love to see videos of struggles with describing characters and the events causing their personalities from the perspective of someone who's only experience/recent experience with FFVII is Remake. Missing out on the revelations all but straightly saying "Morally gray emotional dunces is the party's makeup." must be really confusing.

>>16919853

>expecting 8coon to load a webm bigger than 1MB

I finally got around to playing the trials of mana remake… I love how it’s probably made by a C or even D team at Square, and you can tell it’s on a budget… yet it’s still a more faithful, fun remake than FF7. In a lot of ways the simple combat feels like it does what FF7R was trying to do, but better.

>>16919897

I can't wait to get it and see what the new post game chapter is about. I saw spoilers from data mining that to me suggest the post game is about traveling back in time to in between the events of Trials and Heroes of Mana (the Nintendo DS RTS prequel to Trials.)

>>16909001

>the original was really impressive for it's period

No it wasn't, pretty much all technical aspect are poor to terrible.

Don't pretend like the music isn't some extremely basic MIDI shit and that the 3D is extremely poor in a very obvious way, even the prerendered backgrounds clearly aren't the best you can do with prerendered .

The mere fact that the field model are the most potato looking ones when the primary perk of doing prerendered BG is that you can pump up the details on your 3D is proof enough that it didn't push what you could do with the hardware.

Granted I'll be the first to say that this does not make it a bad game but it's not technically impressive, in fact from the same company Tobal is much more technically impressive, 640x480 at 60 fps that doesn't look completely horrible in 1996 on a PS1, that's a game that does two things 99% of the library cannot do individually, nevermind both at the same time.

The one thing the game does that wasn't common or even done at all at the time was overlaying 3D models on top of a video playback.

>>16919914

Kings Field did full 3D in 95 on PS1.

>>16919914

> Previous to FF7 no video game studio had made an rpg that didn't use sprites to represent the characters, on the PS1. FF7 definitely pushed the envelope for it's time

believe it or not, the genre isn't what's important. What is important is number of entities and complexity of models, and FF7 excels at neither, especially when you consider that the background only needs a few layers of static 2D instead of complex 3D

as an aside, Wild Arms came out previously the same year, and while it used sprites in the environment it used 3D models in combat

so what you really have to look into is this: were there any other games for the PS1 at the time of FF7's release, that could match or beat it for number of entities and complexity of models? I will credit FF7 with having 10 character entities in one scene at a time, all of them models on par with the heroes' in terms of complexity. But consider also that this scene is the bara orgy at the Honey Bee Inn

>The one thing the game does that wasn't common or even done at all at the time was overlaying 3D models on top of a video playback.

I will certainly credit that as being very likely true; I can't think of any game that used real time render on top of FMV prior to FF7

>that chip damage on hard

It’s like to only games where Square gets the hard mode right is the KH series.

>>16919902

Yeah, I dug the demo a lot. Character animations are kind of rough, and the English voice acting can range from good to horrendous(they really need to stop hiring their flamboyant gay friends for voice roles), but I’ll play sub anyways. Gameplay, world, and OST are great and very faithful. About my only gripe gameplay wise is the move to 3D kind of causes issues with the camera during combat.

>>16919897

>>16919902

I was sad to find that on the gameplay trailer of trials of mana on youtube, the top comment is asking for a chrono trigger remake. Will new IPs ever be made?

>>16919914

>Previous to FF7 no video game studio had made an rpg that didn't use sprites to represent the characters, on the PS1.

For exploration? Maybe. Combat though? Wild Arms came out prior to it on both sides of the Pacific. Though admittedly the combat models there weren't especially good looking (if still not without charm), and I don't know when development got announced in comparison to FFVII.

>>16919936

And I now see that >>16919924 beat me to it.

>>16919924

>Wild Arms came out previously the same year, and while it used sprites in the environment it used 3D models in combat

I hesitated to bring that one up because while it does use full 3D combat, the model are more basic (not just the player char) than FF7 (even if fully textured), although it does run at 30fps in combat and comes from a much smaller dev.

>so what you really have to look into is this: were there any other games for the PS1 at the time of FF7's release, that could match or beat it for number of entities and complexity of models?

I've looked and there's admittedly not many games with complex 3D scenes outside of Crash Bandicoot in the early days, but that's mostly static scenery.

Maybe Raystorm would be a better example of a full 3D scene that had a lot of moving and textured models running at a pretty decent framerate

Besides, technically impressive doesn't always look like one think it might, see Kula World / Roll Away (60fps, hgh res, polygon and texture warping mitigation on OG hardware with controllable camera)

>10 character entities in one scene at a time, all of them models on par with the heroes' in terms of complexity. But consider also that this scene is the bara orgy at the Honey Bee Inn

Those are the cube people though there's like maybe 10 polygon per character in total and only a few of those have any sort of textures.

A few of the encounters in the mythril mine have like 8 battle models + the scene itself.

>I can't think of any game that used real time render on top of FMV prior to FF7

I was thinking maybe RE, but I'm pretty sure that it did not.

>>16919650

>The thing with 13 and 15 is that by watching the trainwreck of production + deceives/marketing, you could have predicted the FF 7 sequel being completely shit

I,

never,

played,

or,

cared,

for,

final,

fantasy,

after,

PS1,

and,

after,

final,

fantasy,

9,

i,

bought,

a,

fukken,

xbox,

I stopped gaming in 2005 until i found out that on PS4 some old ass games were being remade. i wasnt even aware you could download games nowadays until about 3 years ago.you reading impaired moron. how autistic do you have to be to not understand by now that the period between 2005 and 2017 were a black gap for me when it comes to gaming.

the FF7RE isnt a sequel, its a remake made by someone who masturbates furiously to sephiroth and who wants to shove him and his cum-blasted white hair into every orifice of every FF7 fan who wanted the OG game to be remade and not this cobbled-up failure. this shit is why you dont give fangirls/fanfags the budget of a small nation to spend on their favorite wankfic.

if you are lucario, (lucillo or whateverthefuck) i should have listened to the other anons when they tried to warn me about how much of a thick-skulled fucktard you are. so im going to hide/ignore your shit from now on.

Final fantasy 8, isnt that the one were at the end of disk one squal dies and the other 3 disks are his dying dream????

>>16919897

>faithful, fun remake than FF7

This isn't a remake of 7. It's a sequel in all but name, from what I can tell.

>>16919756

>since Square has disavowed making the remake for the fans

That's a lie. The only way the "remake" makes sense is if you've played the original and maybe CC. I wouldn't be surprised if Genesis shows up in the next game, and that it gets tied into what he did at the end of CC.

>>16919666

> remake of FF7

It really shouldn't have been called a remake by SE. From what I've seen, it really isn't one, and is more of a sequel that is trying to collect all of the craziness that spun out of the original game.

>>16919974

>That's a lie.

well it makes sense if you consider that Thundercats and She-Ra have new series that do nothing but repel fans of the originals

>>16920056

Wasn’t there an interview recently where one of the directors said the game wasn’t necessarily aimed at the old fans?

>>16920063

It also could have been a translation thing. Either way, none of the story bothers me nearly as much as them keeping the chip damage from XV to pad out the fights.

Do people actually like that shit? I mean, I get it in something like Monster Hunter, but for most vidya I prefer Fast/Difficult/Decisive>>>>>Slow/Drawn Out/Difficult

>>16920075

>for most vidya I prefer Fast/Difficult/Decisive>>>>>Slow/Drawn Out/Difficult

indeed. it's one thing if the enemy tactics will actually start to wear you down but if you're clearly owning the fight for 3 minutes it's time for them to die

>>16920059

With the fact they keep trying to claim it is "very faithful" to the original, I'd think it obvious they want to bait prior fans in for their little "official" fanfic circlejerk. Obviously a remake can just as well be meant to help get newcomers into the game's universe, but it's a balance of making sure the stable base of fans remains satisfied with it as well, and here they're pretty much attempting to redefine what a remake should even be.

>>16920063

>pigbald's retarded shit

Saying something isn't for critics does not imply critics can't critique it. How are these goblins somehow stupider than Kevin Smith?

>>16920189

shits*

oh bother

>that jimquisition guy loved it and calls it bold new take on the game

>normalfags are calling the ghosts the *shrieking purists trying to keep the old plot*

>barret is killed

>barret is ressed less by the same ghosts a minute later

>sephiroth appears an absurd amount of times in shinra tower smirking like a retard and carrying those numbered clones making that plot point ever so obvious

>you fight him in advent children tier combat

>instead of an ending to disk 1 you get to fight generic looking fate ghosts or something and killing them breaks the plotline

>every enemy is a bullet sponge to the point of the bike chase sequence being filled with sponge enemies

>elevator chase scene is dropped for a fight in the entry of shinra HQ with the big bot

>big bot does not eject a small bot when close to defeat

>rufus throws coins in the air, once he shoots them with bullets - lasers come out

>you have Ifrit, Shiva, Chocobo Mog at Shinra tower

>Aerith shoots lasers out of her staf

People who play it don't dislike it but the plot is as good as dead. Just don't call it remake for it is not.

I just wanted to see some materia combos because I fully enjoyed the materia system in 7, even the weapon junction system in 8. It seems like they made everything available early on.

If I had to describe it, I would say it is similar in retardation to Star wars 7-9, yet considerably better handled.

Either way not the turn based game you would expect. FF7 goes wierd once they leave shinra HQ, I don't think this new crew can pull it through.

>>16919928

While doing chip damage is an issue for a lot of enemies in this game, the final boss on hard is kind of expected to be a long fight with a lot of health. There are much better examples in other parts of the game.

>>16920195

>>you have Ifrit, Shiva, Chocobo Mog at Shinra tower

And Leviathan and Bahamut. Also, Fat Chocobo is now its own summon. >>16919442

>>16912199

I don't buy that one bit, they let them develop it for two years, canned it then sat on their asses so they wouldn't have to pay royalties to another company.

>>16920253

The worst part about all of this besides the final retarded boss being Sephiroth is that nobody is going to make a mod to fix Titta's tits since the pc port will have Denuvo no matter what.

>>16920290

I guess that is how bad fanfic becomes a sequel.

>>16920290

If he uses the Squall is dead instead of the Rinoa is Ultimecia, he's completely fucking retarded.

>>16920310

He should use neither and make a new game. Botched remakes will be the death of SE.

>>16920316

He's completely fucking retarded.

>>16920318

Good, after what they've done to FF7, they deserve it.

>>16920318

Not much there to be botched in FF8.

>>16920059

I'm playing the game myself, the pandering to old fans in the dialogue is quite blatant. It would be silly for them to not acknowledge the old fans at all. They're saying that as PR bullshit to get new players into the game. Also, as others have said, the storytelling is much more convoluted and shittier than the original game, which may have been unintentional, but the result is a plot that makes less sense to someone who hasn't played FF7.

>>16920156

The entire statement is pointless to begin with. Critics will criticize it anyway. All you've really done is invite more criticism by saying that. It's a bullshit statement in order to seem more like the movie is for "regular people," which is stupid. Nobody makes movies for critics because they aren't a big audience that gives directors money.

>>16920325

They'll take out the time travel because people will expect time travel, Triple Triad will be padded to 100 hours sidequest, and the first mission will be 80 hours.

>>16920510

Also what are the chances Square devs were really thinking about squalls anatomy when they made that scene?

>>16920545

>Also what are the chances Square devs were really thinking about squalls anatomy when they made that scene?

I would say zero.

>>16920542

I would say that it was all separate until they started playing around with Cloud in FFT and Shinra in FFX-2. Also, in Crono Cross, Kid does enter the real world. I think Lightning ended up doing something similar in one of her games. It wouldn't surprise me if SE does fully unify all of the games somehow.

>>16919658

They won't. Normalfags are waking up. This whole fallacy of "muh they will still buy it" is dead.

>>16919897

Remember that if you buy it, your money will be funding the next part of the Final Fantasy 7 trainwreck.

>>16919971

So? You still have to follow the exposure and news about marketing scams from companies, so you can avoid falling into their marketing. If you only go for a game blindly, maybe only seeing what they advertise to you, you have only yourself to blame when they deceive you. All marketing is false advertisement.

>>16920325

>>16920510

>Not much there to be botched in FF8

They can add Sephiroth and Lightning to the plot. Just because.

Never doubt the retardation of the soy-infused numales.

>>16920558

They will make the FF 7 cast meet the The Bouncer cast in Dog Street. To fight against the spaceships from Einhänder that are teamed up with Brave Fencer Musashi.

>>16919933

They do make new IPs, like Octopath Traveler or Bravely Default. They can remake the old ones at the same time, and the old ones are just about guaranteed to sell better than the new ones because of recognition.

>>16920599

>Remember that if you buy it, your money will be funding the next part of the Final Fantasy 7 trainwreck.

Good thing I preordered it. I also preordered the ff7re collectors edition and like how it turned out. I can only hope they use my money well for the next part of the FF7 franchise.

>>16920617

>Kid does enter the real world.

Look at the true ending, and the bad ending. Schala/Kid end up wandering the real world.

>>16920542

The Final Fantasy "universe" is just St. Elsewhere shit. It's 99% references and fanservice, and 1% actual continuity.

Take FF4: The After Years as an exmaple. At the end of the game you fight like a dozen old FF4 bosses in the form of soul-absorbing data crystals or whatever the actual explanation for that shit was. Then you can fight another set of optional bosses that are copied from FF1, 2, 3, 5, and 6. The optional bosses from other games are just there as fanservice, and have no bearing on the continuity of the games they're references to.

>>16920705

>hen you can fight another set of optional bosses that are copied from FF1, 2, 3, 5, and 6.

Wasn't that a bonus dungeon that was heavily implied to be non-canon as well? Just like the bonus dungeons in the Star Ocean games?

>>16920542

Chocobos and Bahamuts exist in some form in FF games. Everything else is different. From tech level to world inhabitants.

>>16913964

Speaking of Gamespot, now there's one of their writers claiming that nuFFVII borrows from FFXIII's design philosophy where it "needs to the most".

http://archive.vn/66UQU

>>16920714

Nah, it's inside the final dungeon, but the non-FF4 bosses are completely optional. You can skip them and go straight to Bahamut and The Creator.

>>16920692

Not even bait at all.

I genuinely enjoy that they took it in a direction away from a bog standard remake like what happened with wild arms and alter code F. Square would have fucked up an actual remake like that, so making it a quasi sequel it neither replaces, nor devalues the original in any way. This way it is it's own arc in the greater collection of ff7 and spin offs. I even liked the bait and switch calling it remake, rather than being a literal remake, it's a subtitle referencing remaking, or rebuilding. Reminded me a bit of the Eva rebuild with the bait and switch. Could have used a lot better writing in spots, much less the issues with some aspects of game pacing, but there was still some good nods and hints throughout.

>>16920858

I think you can fairly call it bait even if it wasn't your intention to bait anyone. Death of the author, anon.

>>16920907

Ok, it was a little bait I guess.

Still think it was a good addition though, but taken in a vacuum it's pretty meh.