/v/ - Video Games

Your thread is shit and it's out of place but yeah get a ryzen, even more so now where the chipset is still young and going to last more 2 years or so, if you get a ryzen now you can get a brand new one in 2 years without getting a new motherboard, which isn't possible with intel which changes the chipset all the damn time to sell more motherboards

QTDDTOT is a thing >>15676231

>>15680527

Has it been confirmed Zen 2 will use AM4?

>>15680513

>gaming perf

<intel by a moderate margin

>emulator perf

<intel by a wide margin

If you really want to support the red kikes instead of the blue kikes, go for it I guess, it's your shekels.

I would get AMD if only because Intel are so so much worse in terms of their destruction of the gaming industry (not to mention their unscrupulousness with handling reviews and advertising of their products). If you have to buy Intel for whatever reason, buy preowned. I think Ryzen did a damn good job catching up to Intel, and at an excellent price too.

>>15680527

this, take the thread to QTDDTOT

>>15680568

Yes, but you might miss out on features with an older chipset, like how the first generation of mobos can’t do StoreMI. Also, if Zen2 has more PCI lanes, you might not have that available. Also, older mobos have historically required firmware updates for newer parts to even get to UEFI.

Intel just got hit by another exploit that while it may not effect you directly should give you a good idea on how sloppy they work.

That said Intel usually outperformes AMD on single threaded tasks that often include games while AMD's MOAR cores help in multi media related tasks.

Since AMD is due to release something new around the start of the new year I would wait for that.

>>15680614

You can work around that and install Win7 on Ryzen 2nd gen.

Not sure bout Jewtel.

>>15680614

yes, they do, sadly, but there are ways to get a ryzen cpu on windows 7

>>15680619

Skylake you can get running on Win7, don't know about anything after that.

>>15680614

No. I have win7 running on ryzen just fine. The problem is the chipsets lack support for older usb interfaces (I wanna say ehci?). Win7 images lack drivers for the new xhci interface, so kbm won’t work. The solution is to make an usb installer and slipstream the appropriate driver. This lets you use the install media. There was also a step to actually install the driver, but I can’t quite remember. I think you had to pull up cmd from the media and use some commands to insert the driver post-install. The are guides and explainations out there.

>>15680632

That's the last officially supported one. The question is whether you can install one that's not officially supported.

>>15680614

>require

No? What planet do you life on? How can one be so retarded? You can't just arbitrarily gate software to only run on certain hardware like that. Microsoft will only officially support older processors on Windows 10, all that means is that if you're a big business and need official troubleshooting from their quality assurance services you're out of luck. The consumer shouldn't actually care

>>15680513

People still side with Intel because at the end of the day Intel does have the upper hand in terms of overall performance, however, AMD is really good now in terms of price to performance. They're basically more efficient than Intel at this point

>>15680650

>will only officially support older

Fuck I meant newer

>>15680513

Honestly? Ryzen isn't a huge performance jump yet. Wait for Zen2 and install Gentoo on it, that's going to be the shit.

>>15680643

Support for Windows games on Linux is better than ever. You can always go with that.

>>15680623

Is that so? Last I heard it was more down to later this year or early next year(simply new stuff that is, not specifically 7nm)

I mean they have been pretty decent with compatibility so anon could just buy something now, e.g: top shelf MB with mid CPU and upgrade later, though it's always a bit of a dice roll I suppose.

>>15680614

No, non microsoft systems don't really care and you can mod your win7 iso beforehand in order to get it to run.

I guess I fell for clickbait or simply misinformation. Believed the CPUs would atleast make some issues or not run on top performance.

>>15680643

Steam out of all jews actually recently started to work on making wangblows games compatible with linux by making their own fork of Wine called Proton. This will basically make it easier for normalcattle to play windows games on linux since the steam client does everything for you. I hope it's gonna help people move away from windows.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561

use linux

>>15680671

You weren't wrong to assume that. They're not officially supported by Microsoft, that's a fact.

It's possible to run Win7 on Ryzen and possibly Intel but that doesn't change the fact that's not officially supported.

>>15680648

I installed Win7 on a Kaby Lake, specifically a Core i7-7700K. It went without a hitch except for needing to pack USB 3.0 drivers into the installer, but my motherboard manufacturer had a utility on their website that did the trick. I have no idea about anything beyond that gen, but I do recall that was the first generation where they started to raise the boogeyman of "7 might not work on this, you should really install 10." Over a year later and I've had zero problems, so they can go fuck themselves.

>>15680690

With the laptop variant of Kaby Lake, I only needed to do a few tricks in ini files to make driver installers run as normal. Frequent benchmarks only gave very negligible to margin-of-error differences in performance between Win7 and Win10.

>>15680862

>98 C

Jesus Christ, how the fuck is your CPU that hot?

Neither. Both are either kike or chink shit.

AMD. Intel's a generation behind and it'll be at least 2 years before they catch up.

>>15680909

The thing is that Intel had all the shit AMD now has for years now, such as manycore processors for servers and supercomputers, but AMD was able to do what Intel did significantly cheaper and now the kikes are sweating because AMD is undercutting them.

Does any1 still make cpus/mobos that allow for ECC ram without having to purchase specialized server hardware? Core2duo/vpro were the last that i know of since i3,5,7s all dont work with any ECC ram.

>>15680877

>made in Malaysia

>CEO is a gook

>still uses an instruction set created by an Israeli Intel Fab

>>15680834

Good taste anon, good taste.

>>15680921

AMD was always leading the way with multiple cores on a die. AMD's most recent changes are things that were in progress since the late 00's. Intel however have kept doing things the way they always have, and have been at a wall for the past few years. They desperately need a new architecture and the fact they're still trying to force the core i architecture into 10nm when AMD is now targeting 7nm shows they don't have a good plan for the future. AMD's been exploring new interposer, chiplet technology for a very long time and that is why they have such a dramatic lead.

>>15680614

its better just to get an old CPU before the whole win10 push and you will be fine.

>>15680513

Jewtel is a complete joke now. Get AMD.

Get a console.

You'll thank me later.

>>15681015

I like pc most of the time, but any time im doing maintenance or troubleshooting\configuring of anything like that it makes appreciate the lack of variables on a console.

>>15681047

How does AMD benchmark compare?

Does AMD plan on shilling for win10 like intel does??

>>15681067

I do what you are talking about for a living, it is trivial and if I can't get a game playing (RE: On Linux) I don't give any shits. Most recently I wanted to replay Final Fantasy XIII but there are issues with Proton that I don't know how to solve, Steam keeps on reinstalling .NET 4.0 for some reason. You got to learn to roll with the punches.

>>15681073

>Using a content aggregate

>using linux for gaming

Im a data center manager, an oldfag, and a console/emu autist; The last thing i want to do is troubleshoot/optimize games when im trying to play one.

Trivial? Maybe if you exclusively play new AAA games with limited options on (((Steam)))

>>15680929

>>15680862

Speccy has issues with correctly reading CPU temps. Cam software from my Kraken x62 says I'm hovering at about 40 degrees Celsius on speccy it says it's at 54.

>>15680928

_All_ new AMD CPUs support ECC, it just depends on your mobo.

>>15681117

The problem is that the list of meaningful web forums these days is very low. I'm not some reddit tier shitlord, and most of my coworkers know about reddit or 4chan, even the ones that are in their 50s. Where else are we going to go to get some enjoyment?

>>15681121

I take it from the opposite direction, I only play newer games, I cannot tell you the last time I played a game that was released before 2010 for more than 5 minutes.

(((Steam))) is actually a good platform, I don't see why people hate it so much. Ease of access and Valve's continues support for Linux and open source is always welcome. They are not a "do no evil" company either, how they handle the steam community market has always / will always piss me off to no end.

>>15681146

>The problem is that the list of meaningful web forums these days is very low. I'm not some reddit tier shitlord, and most of my coworkers know about reddit or 4chan, even the ones that are in their 50s. Where else are we going to go to get some enjoyment?

Holy shit just stop please

>>15681128

Why does anyone ever use speccy?

>>15681133

Guess i'm going AMD on my next build then.

>>15681146

>defending steam

>only plays nu games

Checks out

>>15681178

Why not just use ps2? Its better for inputs.

>>15681178

Does USB work in the BIOS?

>>15681188

The two i have are really cheap ones that tend to stick so while the inputs are better they just a pain in the ass to use

>>15681199

yup no issue there

>>15680513

>2018

>not using a cyrix processor

>>15681216

>cyrix

Holy shit are those still around???

>>15681230

>>15681216

owned by AMD now, no?

>>15681216

>cyrix

>not transmeta

>>15681208

Interesting, Windows 7 does not support xHCI which is a newer BIOS-level host configuration interface. That seems to be the issue.

>>15681208

Also sage for samefag, but if possible you could maybe turn xhci off in the BIOS settings if the option is there, but you already installed the drivers so whatever

>>15681246

I think theres an option but all i really needed to do was to manually install the usb drivers on device manager.

I'm going to ask you guys to help me install Win7 on Ryzen or Intel when I build a new rig next year.

>>15681258

Just install Gentoo

>>15681258

Does ryzen have a known issue with win7???

>>15681263

I've tried using linux running virtual win7. Doesnt work so well… Maybe one day…

>>15681272

I thought that was just an intel issue

>>15681272

Apparently they're just not officially supported on windows 7, but it doesn't seem like there is any actual problem except for something concerning echi/xhci interfaces or some shit.

It barely matter when almost all modern games are either made in Unity, some decade old engine or optimized for consoles.

Performance issues these days are not just a question of having the appropriate hardware but one of lazy incompetent devs not being able to do their job. In that sense it's like asking which browser is best: What does it matter when every modern website is bloated pajeet code?

>>15681370

Never upgrade, keep Windows 7 forever, drop out of gaming entirely.

>>15681370

Im staying with win7. I still use XP fairly regularly. Why leave? You think updates improve anything? 3rd party support for NT/XP/7 isnt going anywhere.

>>15681370

probably just use a version of win10 where I can strictly control the updates and shit. Using it on my laptop showed me it isn't the end of the world and the feeling of using a 10 year old OS is bringing back bad memories of winxp.

>>15680513

Ryzen is way better. Cheaper, more power efficient, better thermals, and less Intel jewery. More secure too, if you're worried about Meltdown and Spectre, since those problems barely have any impact on Ryzen.

>>15681370

Knowing users, there is going to be unofficial service packs, like how Windows XP got an unofficial service pack made by users to patch some problems.

I would just stick to Windows 7 until there is a really killer app that requires Windows 10.

>>15681432

>keep Windows 7 forever, drop out of gaming entirely.

If I was gonna drop out of gaming, I'd just switch to Linux.

Another security bug affects Intel processors. https://wccftech.com/side-channel-portsmash-hits-intel-cpus/

>>15681463

> Intel CEO: We think of ourselves as an Israeli company

https://archive.fo/NHQLs

>>15681474

>he didn't run winxp during and before sp1

>he didn't run winxp post win7 release

it was shit and still is shit

>>15681526

Win XP SP3 was pretty good though. One of the most important advantages was its much smaller footprint rather than the newer Vista. Only real problem I remember would be wireless drivers but back then we weren't fans of cancer anyway.

>>15681519

Thanks for the info but don't give in to the bait biting sin.

>>15681519

>>15681463

>>15681548

AMD, ARM, and IBM all have R&D centers in Israel

>>15681370

Forget PC gaymen, modern games suck anyway. Last year I decided to arm myself with preparatory Linux skills, and my life has markedly improved because of it. I still like Windows 7 for everyday stuff, but I'm not gonna lose sleep once it becomes too outdated and insecure to use. Can you say the same? If Windows 7 disappeared tomorrow, would you still be able to use your computer?

>>15681536

Nvidia was the biggest problem with Vista and having higher system reqs while being shipped on unfit systems

>>15681555

quiet intel shill no one cares

>>15681526

You're right, I wasn't stupid enough to beta test for MS prior to XP SP1, so I used Win2k in the meantime. Never had any major issues with XP. If it had hardware support, I'd still be using it, it was practically perfect.

>>15680956

if you get the nonjewd version of win10 it works just fine doesn't cancer your computer up

>>15681604

>Enjoy paying your Windows subscription every month like a good niggercattle

Wouldn't he just pirate it? Does anyone actually buy Windows here?

>>15681622

I legit have never payed for Windows in my entire life and I've been using computers for over 20 years

>>15681622

Sure, pirate a program whose entire functionality is stipulated on phoning home to MS, that'll work.

>>15681604

why would i ever pay?

why wouldn't I want easy access to all my video games without jumping thru hoops or lack of support from shitty game companies who can barely put their game out on windows not to mention other platforms and os

>>15681637

No function of Windows is stipulated on phoning home. Most cracking software for Windows literally involves starting a local activation server as a service an then modifying the system to phone home to that instead of MS, it's been like that since Vista

>>15681558

Yeah I've used the babby distros like Mint and Manjaro before, it's not so bad. Even had encryption setup. But I kept coming back to Windows because of the videogames.

>>15681647

They'll find a way. The idea is to withhold security updates unless you start paying a subscription. You have to get the patches from them, so they'll be able to determine your authenticity.

>>15681649

It's more fulfilling to write your own games.

>>15681370

Already on Linux and I'd suggest you do the same, people who bring up that you will run into difficulties just don't care enough to not suck microdick, otherwise they would overcome this hurdle

>>15681660

>The idea is to withhold security updates unless you start paying a subscription.

I somehow don't think even Microsoft is that retarded. Most companies on Windows who value security are certain to switch to Linux if that's what it takes. Remember, Microsoft doesn't actually care about what the consumers do, that's why they seldom go after pirated Windows and why they gave Windows 10 Home away for free. They never made money from the average Joe, their revenue is solely OEM and business licenses as far as Windows itself goes. Their decisions effect those guys far more than it effects us.

>>15681686

Valve is pushing for more game support on Linux, and I recall seeing a press conference they held awhile back (I think it was 2014) where they basically explain their support as a safety net or fallback if Microsoft ever does royal fuck up beyond repair. Linux is retarded for gaming, but I'm still kind of glad it exists, as a sort of just-in-case last resort option.

>>15681667

I'm considering it if I can set up a windows virtual machine with pci passthrough, because otherwise the library of games seems rather destitute.

>>15681178

The only good build in this whole thread. Everything else has bottleneck problems and Wangblows 10.

>>15681188

Yeah, plus you >>15681205 can just buy a USB to PS/2 dongle for just a buck each.

>>15681370

I've been running Win7 for 8 years without updating without malware problems. Just use common sense, a good antivirus and don't run random software blindly, no need for external support.

If you worry about anything else just pick your last option.

>>15681626

Just Pirate It™.

>>15681686

>>>/neofag/

>>15681676

It's not hypothetical, this is their real plan.

http://archive.is/bjfNl

>>15681705

>I've been running Win7 for 8 years without updating without malware problems

Good malware doesn't let you know it's there, retard. By the way, I hope you like using your fundamentally broken and insecure (spectre) x86 CPU on an OS that doesn't have the security patch to compensate for it, you fucking abortion.

>>15681724

Fuck off John Oliver

>>15681702

If Valve is pushing for something you should be very afraid.

>>15681731

>Recognizing tabloids makes you some retarded inbred liberal brit

Do you get all your news from, and I quote the article "…unnamed sources…"?

>>15681734

They admit their began the initiative after the backlash over Windows 8s interface (remember that tablet shit?). Its basically to ensure that if something happens to Windows we can still all keep our nice gaming PCs and seemlessly transition to Linux. That's the plan on paper anyways. And they are quite a ways off. Regardless, I'm content running Windows right now, but I am glad Linux exists, even if I never use it on my main machine ever.

>>15681769

>MS is taking the boiled frog approach. You really think even the most deluded optimist will be able to act as if they have even the loosest degree of "ownership" over their windows computer in 10 years?

The problem is that Microsoft can never truly own the hardware, they already tried with ARMshit and Secureboot nonesense and it didn't work, so now they're just sitting on all this shit and don't know what to do

>>15681802

>they can never truly own the hardware

They had enough sway to make Ryzen (((incompatible))) with Windows 7.

>>15680614

Ryzen actually does have support for Win7. Mobo support pages even specify it - "Windows 7 compatibility when using a Ryzen gen 1 or 2 processor" or something along those lines.

>>15680646

Alternately, if you still have a ps2 keyboard lying around (or an adapter), handle things during installation with said keyboard (tab/arrows/spacebar navigation), then boot some linux live image to copy your zipped USB driver to the now installed root drive, then reboot into Windows and keyboard your way through to install them.

>>15680614

I had my install of it working after having to usb-boot linux and pop the usb drivers on my storage drive and use an old PS/2 keyboard to install them after the OS. What killed that setup (and my SSD) was a windows 7 update that BSOD'd as it was in the process of installing. This is why I don't fully believe people when they say their Windows 7 Ryzen setups are 100% functional. Where there's a will there's a way, sure, but if the mobo is incompatible with the OS, you're gonna run into more issues than it's worth, and possibly even dead hardware because of those incompatibilities.

>>15681808

It's the other way around, Windows 7 doesn't support xhci as its a newer standard so you have to install shit like USB drivers manually

>>15681846

Uh, I don't think so, anon. Great minds think alike I suppose?

I still have a ps2 keyboard laying around, and when doing installations for customers I find it quicker to just do things this way. Hunting down and slipstreaming drivers is annoying.

>>15681686

not an argument

>>15681703

Don't ever let the volume of games dictate the quality of the underlying platform, that said you can try setting up a VM provided you have two GPU's and a strong enough CPUplus enough RAM and and a NIC iirc but you get the gist and use https://github.com/gnif/LookingGlass to remove the need for a seperate set of KB, mouse and display.

Not that the rather new Proton aka Wine with dxvk and smoother steam integration doesn't already expand the number of games by a fair bit.

>>15681929

Thanks for the link, it is much appreciated.

>>15680513

If you're buying right now, intel for gaming. AMD if you do anything else. If you're buying top of the line next year go for AMD.

Intel is for cucks and fags.

Go Ryzen.

>>15681929

>saying "not an argument" when you have burden of proof

Full fucking retard. How about an argument for using Linux for gaming in the first place other than "cuz it ain't Wangblows"?

Something related to performance, or compatibility, maybe? Oh wait. You'll never have arguments for those. Other than "maybe it's not quite as good, but it's still good enuff!"

Well at least Linux isn't pozzed like Microsoft… wait. That changed now too.

>>15680513

There's a handful of cases where intel is a better choices in any noticeable way, so unless emulation of 6th gen and up is something that you're really interested in just go Ryzen, not even saying that it'll be unplayable on Ryzen either just that intel is a fair bit faster in a few cases and that can have a noticeable impact in some emulator especially when playing some of the more demanding games.

For PC gaming the difference is far less notable unless you're using a 1080p@120/144/240hz but even then unless you're using a 1080ti the diference is sometimes not even that great.

Also might just be better to wait for Q1 2019 so that you can have Zen2 instead of Zen+, don't fall for the Copper Lake (9900/9700 etc) meme this shit makes the FX 9590 look reasonable.

AMD, don't give the jews more money.

>>15682484

Wouldn't surprise me

now please share the non cropped version of that fresh Elt

>>15682914

Fake words are better for the simple reason it's easier to find them in search results

>>15682484

SHARE

>>15682914

>Ryzen

>gaymer shit

I think this was literally their last chance to resurge as a proper competitor in the CPUs department. The style and name were meant to show how utterly confident the AMD guys were about their new Zen architecture.

>not buying a product just because it has an autistic name

you might have autism

>>15682914

>the next amd cpu

>kitty whisperwinter of smeefleshire

This is a terrible time to build or upgrade.

AMD will reveal soon the 7nm Ryzen 2, Intel is trying to have a 10nm CPU in time to avoid being steamrolled.

>>15682484

Any processor that does simultaneous threading as in "two threads per core".

>>15683063

>Any processor that does simultaneous threading as in "two threads per core".

So AMD chips are affected too?

>>15682484

>Intel

There are exploits and shit discovered in their processors all the time.

>>15682914

>I will never use Ryzen and will never take it seriously only because of how fucking autistic its name is.

>Is there an Opteron version of Ryzen crap?

Do you prefer THREADRIPPER or Epyc? :^)

>>15683110

Zen processors are untested yet, but the guy who discovered PortSmash says it's likely they're affected as well.

>>15682914

Can someone explain how Ryzen is gaming? Its hybrid processors with transistors wasted on the gpu core. Shit no gamers ever need with their discreet GPU cards.

Oh wait, gayming.

>>15683335

You buy Ryzen simply because Intel is overpriced as fuck right now. You if have unlimited money and use your rig for gayming only then by all means buy Intel. Otherwise AMD is great price-to-performance wise at the moment. In the end, you simply have to decide whether you support red jews or blue jews as both companies are pretty kosher in their own jewish way.

>>15680998

here's your (you)

>>15682914

> hes so contrarian that the very thing he claims to hate still dictates his behavior

>>15683335

If you dont want the gpu then buy one without the gpu. Only the "G" models and mobileshit ones have it.

>>15683462

Switching IPs a third time wont help your cause.

>>15683335

>Its hybrid processors with transistors wasted on the gpu core

Ryzen CPUs have no iGPU whatsoever, whereas Ryzen APUs are the CPU+GPU ones.

>>15680513

AMD for gaming.

>>15680877

>>15680862

>>15680879

>>15680929

Owning windows 10 is as bad as browsing reddit.

>>15680677

>so full of demented inside terms he sounds like a /trannypol/ faggot

Take a break from your computer for a few months.

>>15681370

I'd probably end up having a PC set aside solely for gaming with Win 10 and keep my current PC with Win 7 for everything else.

>>15683627

You're on /v/, don't pretend you're not a social outcast autist

>>15683546

If you're looking to go for really high framerate on modern games you have to go Intel. If you're not using a 144hz or higher refresh rate monitor you'll want to go for higher single core/hyper-threaded performance.

If you're not trying to run high framerate on modern games then there's no reason to play for Intel when AMD gives similar performance for a much better price.

>>15683757

Intel's not going to give you much higher performance on games than AMD, what the fuck are you talking about?

He's much better off spending the extra money on an Nvidia card instead, like the 1070/1080, depending on the budget.

>>15683764

Intel will ONLY give you better performance when you're pushing super high framerates. Like I said there's no reason to go Intel as AMD is priced better unless you're going to super high framerates. RYZEN WILL FAIL when pushing ~200 on CPU intensive games because they don't have the single core and hyper-threaded performance that Intel does. That's literally it. GPU isn't that big of an issue since your Mobo isn't going to be dictated by it and even a 970 or a r7370 will be able to push super high framerates so long as the RAM speed and CPU aren't bottle necking it. GPU comes in when you're trying to put out graphic whore shit.

>>15683801

>GPU isn't that big of an issu

GPU's what going to impact framerate the most in most games.

>>15683811

I mean, maybe if you're running a bunch of pointless post-processing effects yea. Otherwise…

No

i got help on /vg/ and made one with a ryzen 5 2400g a month ago

works pretty well considering that there isn't a dedicated gpu, i can run most AAA shit on medium settings

only issue i've had with it is constant BSODs early on, but lowering ram frequency fixed that

>>15683764

Anon, AMD's single threaded performance is stuck in ~2012. There's an enormous performance difference between AMD and Intel on single threaded applications (most emulators), and since you can effectively use all 'surplus' power to reduce input lag with things like hard sync or frame delay, none of that speed is wasted.

started dual-booting win7 after i got tired of all the fucking problems and telemetry with Windows 10

shit starts for no reason and my games slow down, i cant even turn everything off in latest build because turning some shit off causes system to freeze

so i am running Win7 mainly until i really need Win10 for few games, Ryzen CPU and everything, i updated the shit out of win7 so it works ok

>>15682418

>Conflating the devs enslaving themselves with a trannyCoCk and using a product made to harvest your every move

Shill somewhere else

>>15682484

Yes, portsmash

https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-cpus-impacted-by-new-portsmash-side-channel-vulnerability/

https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/11/01/4

>>15681686

Gaming on Linux has been getting better and better, but you can always set up a dual boot between a Linux OS for your day to day computer tasks and most games, then just use wangblows for games that don't work on Linux.

If you look for gayming dont go for amd. Their single core performance always sucked when compared to intel.

>>15684301

>Complaining about Windows 10

alright, legit

>Uses Windows 7

Well, you aren't any less retarded than any other of Windows posters.

>>15684308

Dualbooting with OpenSUSE, but haven't set it up right yet cause this is a (very) recent build.

>>15684301

How's that 2600x working out for you, anon? I'm eyeing either the 2600 + a 3rd party cooler or a 2600x. The difference in price is very small, around 165+30 for the 2600 and separate cooler, or 210 for 2600x which comes with a good one in the box already.

>>15684334

The stock cooler is kinda shit especially if you're OCing, but i haven't used it in except for stress tests, since I've a 240mm watercooler from my previous build I could use. I'd say take the 2600 and slap a good 40 USD watercooler on it, and you're set, since the difference in performance is negligible if you put the work in (2600x only has basically auto OC in its favor).

>>15684358

Thanks for the input, anon. I'm still picking the rest of the hardware, aiming to build around xmas or so.

One big plus with AMD is that they don't just do wanton changes to the sockets for maximum jewry, so I can pick a not-so-recent mobo. (I got an old CPU I can put in to make a BIOS update if needed for the 2600, too.)

>>15684358

>40 USD watercooler

>good

Really living up to the stereotype, anon.

>>15684377

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=28181

It's actually 90 bucks these days, but I got it on the cheap. And it's one hell of a cooler - hasn't fucked up once in the last 3 years.

>>15684376

If it helps, this is the build I went for - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B7MJw6 and it's been solid for me. A few minor edits (e.g getting the new B450 mobos) and it should work out for you just fine.

>>15684377

>>15684395

I probably won't start with watercooling right away, as I'll be using a spare case I got until I can get a more fitting 'definitive' one.

Thanks for the list, anon. I got mine set up on PCPP too, I'll compare to what I have on it.

>>15681370

There are ways to mostly unfuck win10 already, and those are only going to get better. I'm hoping that works well enough to bridge the gap between 7 no longer being viable either something like ReactOS becoming usable or Wine working with everything.

>>15680646

>>15680614

I just used an old PS/2-cabled keyboard. Installed win7 from the disc with it.

>>15684585

Good luck with that, anon. Honestly all the 'unfucking' tools and what the not are not the uber solutions. Even if you take telemetry out for some time (somehow), you're still left with what may be the worst UX so far from Microsoft. Little by little, the "SaaS" core of the new Windows concept emerges - as >>15681769 said, MS is taking the boiled frog approach to ease people into the fucked up future they envision.

i.e. spray all the deodorant you want over that turd, but you will still have a turd in the end.

As for myself, I'll be dualbooting win7 and linux, using the former only for games that require it (and sometimes video editing I suppose…)

>>15682852

Damn, thanks regardless

>>15681370

ReactOS 64-bit (if it's ever finished) or the most popular Linux variant at the time.

Windows 10 is confirmed hot garbage on SO many levels. I'm getting cancer just using this shit. I'll tell ya why I use it in just a minute

>shady bloatware "apps" that come preinstalled

>shady bloatware "apps" that get install during updates

>invades your privacy and sends near-constant telemetry and other shit to Microsoft

>can't prevent updates from installing unless you set local group policy configuration (only available on "Pro" and "Enterprise" editions)

>STILL can't prevent forced updates and reboots consistently via the group policy for some reason even though you set about 10 different local group policy items to non-default

>Two control panels (old one nerfed, new one is a dildo) because they're transitioning and don't do this

>No way to prevent updates for consumers

>God-awful touch-screenesque start menu shoehorned into a DESKTOP operating system, something that 97% of computer users on earth use on a daily basis

>The UI is so bad that even ClassicShell can't fix it

>Enterprise LTSB and the other branches lack vital features that you need to comfortably use the OS for every day use (can't remember what)

So why do I put up with this shit? Because my brokerage software is less buggy on Win 10 than on Win 7, and I NEED to trade.

After extended support ends?

Linux will keep me on life support.

ReactOS 64-bit stable release will give me hope.

But Minix will give me the will to live.

What are YOU doing to get rid of this hot M$ garbage?

>>15684599

>Even if you take telemetry out for some time (somehow), you're still left with what may be the worst UX so far from Microsoft

The telemetry (and forced updates) are the primary problems. UX is bad but not as much worse than 7 as people think. If the only issue was the shitty new menus I wouldn't care at all.

How does Ryzen 7 hold up in a gaming build ??

>>15684801

Google it or read the fucking thread

>>15684608

>>Enterprise LTSB and the other branches lack vital features that you need to comfortably use the OS for every day use (can't remember what)

I use LTSB for every day use and never had any issues. I wonder what you have on mind, though, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some bullshit which has no purpose but to annoy people using LTSB, which I may have accidentally disabled.

>>15680880

Amada Kokoro best girl.

>>15684608

>Enterprise LTSB and the other branches lack vital features that you need to comfortably use the OS for every day use (can't remember what)

completely false FUD, there is absolutely nothing missing from LTSB that you need; you can install any software you want that doesn't make use of the store/UWP (because it doesn't have or support those things) and furthermore you can disable telemetry and auto-updating :)

>>15688105

Wrong, you can install the store and run UWP games on LTSB, you just have to download the stuff using powershell

>>15688118

<(because it doesn't have or support those things out of the box)

there, fixed it for your autismal ass

>>15680513

Intel are pro-SJW cucks, and AMD processors have actually not just caught up but beaten them this generation. Go AMD. Their GPUs are still bad though.

>>15680866

Speccy is buggy on AMD chips for some reason, and will toss out an absurd number. Ryzen CPUs crash at 95c and above in reality. My shitty x4 840 has Speccy show like 120c or something like that.

>>15688445

>their GPUs are still bad

No, they aren't. Prices are just inflated. If the RX 570 and 580 didn't have inflated prices due to both the DRAM shortage and the mining craze, which hasn't been recovered from entirely, they would both be very competitive.

Vega have their own use cases, you can blast the Vega 56 with so much power that it will be as fast as a 2070. Vega also use HBM2, which people have their uses for.

>>15688601

>their GPUs are still bad

Yes they are, even the guy in the video says himself the prices blow and the power mod OC by itself is unreasonable because you will need high perf water cooling to go with it + x2 higher power draw than normally means in the long run you'd be better off with more expensive goyvidia card due to electricity costs

Also the Radeon Drivers Community will quickly turn you towards green goblin cards especially if you are playing OpenGL games, like everyone in the loonix community does AMDs driver team and bug report/support crew just suck dicks

>>15684608

>Windows 10 is confirmed hot garbage on SO many levels.

Add this line to your whine collections.

>Trying to disable Win10 updates and telemtery will make the OS disable some features that the user frequently uses. I had Microsoft IME and some codecs fail on me just after trying to stop updates, even when they were functional before then.

t. someone who was forced to use Wangblows 10 for weeks

>>15688139

It was very misleading, hence his complaint.

>>15688178

intel knowingly used security risk to boost their cpu speeds in order to beat AMD gpus. they had to patch fit up afterwards now some of the cpus took considerable gpu hits.

Intel is a sketchy company ran by real estate agent ceos

>>15689419

fuck i mean amd CPU's anyways it was on the news a year back.

>>15689437

It'll be yeara before intel can compete again. They need an entirely new architecture.

If you're poor get intel's bargain bin pentium

If you're poor but willing to wait and save money get AMD

If you're not poor get intel

If you're poor get AMD's last gen gpu

If you're poor but willing to wait and save money get AMD's current gen gpu

If you're not poor get nvidia

Amd, they have opensource drivers. Intel has opensource drivers too, but they don't activly support their opensource drivers, they just use them as cheap and free labour unlike amd.

>>15689538

Ryzen 2200g or 2400g would be a better value instead of intels pentium

>>15689538

lmao

>Intel and Nvidia are only for rich people please ignore everything else about intel

What's the deal? You build computers to play games or you build computers to brag on the internet? faggot.

>>15689594

>Intel and Nvidia are only for rich people

They are.

>>15681216

I had a Cyrix PR200+ back in the day.

The 200+ meant that it was better than a 200MHz pentium… somehow… even though it ran slower and was shit.

A lot of games and applications would say 'needs a x86 processor to run'. But if you could get past that most things did run OK.

>>15689606

They are for the type of people who buy the high end iPhone every year. Same type of people.

>>15689606

I don't think the average difference between their options equals to the difference between classes.

A computer fitted with green-blue parts can be from $100 to somewhere around $700 more expensive. Even working at Walmart you get about that much in a week.

If it truly they were for rich people then Intel and Nvidia dominating the market means a huge percentage of people are rich, and the poor people that buy AMD make a small percentaje.

Your logic also means anyone who supports AMD is poor.

>>15689831

Apples and Oranges

>>15689932

>Apples and Oranges

The Orange Pi is better than any Apple product.

Prove me wrong.

So, whats the verdict. if i plan on holding onto Win7 for the next 10+ years, is AMD ryzen still the way to go?

is intel just as bad in this regard? worse?

>>15689932

Naw, it's all the same shit. People buying overpriced items because it makes them feel better about themselves. And then they feel compelled to brag about it all over the place.

>NSA Backdoor A or NSA Backdoor B for gaming?

The AMD FX series processors are the last CPUs for gaming. Everything after is for spying.

>>15690091

PSP doesn't have a network stack unlike Intel ME so your attacker would have to have local access to the machine to run code in MSM and so it's not as big of a threat to you.

Intel ME though is completely fucked, not only does this thing allow you to run shit in machine service mode but it also has network access and on top of that there might also be a 3G capable chip too (rumor but wouldn't surprise me at this point), but the best part is that this thing is riddled with exploits that range from very annoying to stealthily taking over your hardware without you being able to see or do anything about it and it requiring buying new hardware to get rid of the stuff (with no guarantee that you won't get exploited the exact same way soon after)

>>15690023

>your attacker would have to have local access to the machine to run code in MSM

What does this mean? The attacker has to physically access your computer?

Also what's MSM?

>>15689241

If a game has ogl, it probably has loonix support (aside from nudoom, are there any wangblows ogl games made in the last 10 years?). If it has loonix support, you should play it on loonix (you already have a dual-boot, don't you?). If you play it on loonix, you're using amdgpu and mesa, which has excellent performance nowadays. Only retards run ogl on windows.

>>15688093

There's usually a note in the big spec sheet. Alternatively, trawl the manual.

>>15692830

Machine Service Mode. Used for testing/debugging purposes.

What >>15690557 says sums it up: The PSP (equivalent of Intel's ME in AMD cpus) doesn't have a network stack, so it's isolated. Meaning that an attacker would need to break into your home/datacenter/whatever to attack. And normally, when an attacker has physical access it's game over anyway.

Meanwhile the ME does have network, so an attacker can get you from far, far away.

>>15695168

Shame all that effort is going towards a crippled tablet they're trying to push as a PC replacement and animated emojis.

>>15695168

>Apple also beat everyone to releasing the first 7nm chip

>they'll probably do the same with 5nm

Why doesn't Apple make CPUs?

>>15695212

Costs and time

>>15681769

>Linux got CoC'd by a tranny freak handpuppet of Intel and MS. It ain't gonna be "free" for much longer. Its value to (((them))) lies in its reputation and name. Useful idiots will keep up the illusion that Linux is free software long after the reigns have been completely taken by corporate kikes.

Well forks are a thing. Let trannies and commies fuck up the mainline and the forks will over come it. It isn't the best option to take but it is still something. The Cathedral and the Bazaar is a good book/theory on this http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/

>>15680513

AMD but if you like soy get Intel

>>15680513

If you're planning to build a gaming rig for the long term than you should get ryzen.

>much better price/performance

>isn't sloppily put together and doesn' have a million exploits

>AMD products mature and get better over time vid related

>long term chipsets mean no need for a new motherboard every generation will need to update UEFI or BIOs though, but most allow you to do it from usb

>Gaming industry will be pushing heavily into multicore/hyperthreading in the next generation as consoles adopt ryzen/vega APUs and Vulcan/DX12 gets more popular

>>15697721

>If you already use Windows 10 then you'll have no problems.

Holy shit, the people on this site nowadays.

>>15699425

>GTX 1070

Stay as far away from Jewvidya as possible if you plan on using GNU/Lunix, the open source nouveau driver is aids on newer cards and the closed-source driver is botnet.

I wil read this thread when I wake the fuck up late because its 4 AM so I willa sk 2 questions

#1 how do I get ryzen working onw indows 7 since I was told its windows 10 compatible and its difficult to get drivers working on win 7

#2 how do you defeat twitter phone number checks?

good nigth and sleep tght porkers

>>15699645

Already covered in the thread, anon. You can install it without major issues, but USB will probably flak out on you.

Simply follow >>15680646 or do what I did: >>15681811

As for the second point, no idea - sorry. I don't use twatter

>>15699645

>how do I get ryzen working onw indows 7 since I was told its windows 10 compatible and its difficult to get drivers working on win 7

download this to patch USB drivers: http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Utility/mb_utility_windowsimagetool_am4.zip

this to let you install updates: https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc

use this program to add usb drivers to the iso. after that just boot to the flash drive, and it has to be through UEFI, at least it did for me. i will say that you MAY run into some issues. i've been using 7 on Ryzen for about a year, but i tried playing destiny 2 and it makes my computer hard restart due to some incompatibilities with Ryzen and 7. other than that everything works fine

How well do Ryzen CPUs handle emulation? The only reason I'm hesitant about getting one is because I want to be able to run Cemu, Citra, and RPCS3 (along with Dolphin, PCSX2, and the other standard emulators). I emulate more than I play native PC games, but I want to get away from Intel-aviv if at all possible.

>>15700338

it handles them well. i've all 3 of those emulators and got food performance

>>15700351

Which Ryzen are you using? Also, define "good". Can you run Breath of the Wild and Persona 5 at high resolutions and stable framerates?

>>15700371

ryzen 5 1600, 3.8 GHz. on botw i got 60 fps and 45 fps in some towns. at 1080p graphic pack. i dont know about p5 as i have not tried it, but generally if you get good perf in botw all other games should be fine.