9e41d3 No.14684983
Every character in All Walls Must Fall is a procedurally generated gay man. If you thought fictional gay male characters were stereotyped, you haven’t seen how bad procedural generation can make a stereotype. There is no point paying attention to the characters, because they have no characterization. You can’t possibly care about them.
There is no rhyme or reason. There is no characterization. You can flirt man-to-man or kill man-to-man. It doesn’t seem to make any difference whatever you choose. I would like to pretend that the devs were making a subtle allegorical point about how the promiscuous sex of gay culture is depersonalizing, but let’s face it, they simply made a bad game with procedurally generated paper cut-outs pretending to be characters.
The game is initially charming because the techno soundtrack is truly inspired. The neon-lit nightclubs look impressive for the first two levels until you realize that every single level is a neon-lit gay nightclub.
8833e8 No.14685016
This looks like a shill effort, never heard of the game until now and I had no interest for it.
68364d No.14685018
Why are gay characters in video games so fucking boring?
There are a few good examples of good gay characters like Arcade Gannon, but most of them are one-dimensional.
If you're going to make a character being gay his only defining trait then at least make him visually interesting.
68eab9 No.14685033
>All walls must falls
This couldn't be more obviously propaganda for the homeless agenda.
f491f8 No.14685075
>>14685018
>good gays
gays are never good, faggot
3316b4 No.14685107
>>14685018
Because if you need to promote the sexuality of a character as the main selling point, it means the rest of the character is bland and hollow.
bc024d No.14685131
>>14684983
>All Walls must Fall
Sounds like shit, this name sounds as forced as That Dragon, Cancer
Also that splash art looks terribad, the perspective is all fucked up
c9d1c2 No.14685136
>>14684983
>procedurally generated gays
87986f No.14685160
>>14684983
Can I at least go on a murder spree of faggots?
90e6de No.14685256
>>14684983
>Every character in All Walls Must Fall is a procedurally generated gay man.
How much generation are we talking here? Twink or bear? HIV positive or negative? Dom, switch or powerbottom?
4fcec7 No.14685282
>>14685018
Because nobody knows how to write a good gay character. Because writing them like they're just human beings is frowned upon and not "gay enough" meaning everybody just resorts to having them being gay be their only characteristic, if only so they can show off how they know how gays totally exist, my man. Woah.
87986f No.14685443
>>14685282
You can't write a "good" gay character, no such thing exists. You can write a normal character and just add a "Oh, BTW, I'm gay XD" at the end, but other than him telling you he's gay nothing about his behavior makes him out to be faggot, specifically because writing a real homosexual would be considered politically incorrect. Same applies to niggers, or any other unpleasant demographic polite society pretends to tolerate.
859151 No.14685531
>>14685018
>good gay
Reported. Commit suicide, queer.
4fcec7 No.14685541
>>14685443
>You can't write a "good" gay character, no such thing exists.
Yes, you can; it's pretty easy too. Just write a person that happens to be gay.
68364d No.14685548
>>14685531
I'm married you idiot.
>>14685136
It's AJ's worst nightmare.
859151 No.14685556
>>14685548
Faggots can't get married, queer.
87986f No.14685559
>>14685541
How is that different from what I said? I'll quote myself even:
>You can write a normal character and just add a "Oh, BTW, I'm gay XD" at the end
That's not a gay character, that' just a normal person you slapped the faggot label on top. Same shit with "good" nigger character. Take white person, paint it black, pretend it's a nigger.
How about you try and tell me what is specifically black about, let's say, Blade? Is there anything in his backstory that explicitly requires him to be black? If not, then the only reason he is black it is because the person who created him was a nigger lover. Same shit with gay characters, there's no real reason to make any of them gay and you only do so if you're a faggot yourself, or a fujoshit.
68364d No.14685560
>>14685556
I'm married to a woman, can you believe?
e77e94 No.14685564
>>14685541
>normal person with "btw I'm gay xDD" tacked on
So why even do it in the first place?
>gay character has fashion queen stereotype
Old and tired trope, plus SJWs will bitch about it
>sexually ruthless faggot whips out cock and makes masturbatory motions at everything that moves
Congrats, your game has the AO kiss of death.
>faggots have AIDS and die all over the place
I didn't know Muslims made vidya.
87986f No.14685575
>>14685560
Trannies aren't female.
f78bf7 No.14685590
>>14685559
You can weave homosexuality into a character's personality without making it a secondary characteristic that's only there for SJW brownie points. For example: Say that he's hiding it because he doesn't want to dishonor his parents and he still wants offspring as a contradiction for drama, or make it an impossible love triangle with another character as a reason for loyalty/spite to get more interesting character interactions, etc.
3316b4 No.14685613
>>14685541
>Just write a person that happens to be [X]
And that's where all these SJW, virtual-signalling retards always fail when creating characters.
c02396 No.14685621
>>14685590
How many gay men have you ever met that don't make it THE most defining aspect of their personality? Gay men who have come to terms with their sexuality are always aggressively flamboyant and promiscuous, and even the ones who haven't still have very obvious signals and behaviors (for ex: voice, posture).
87986f No.14685625
>>14685590
I've had this discussion a shitload of times before. Again, everything about said character is about him being gay, and nothing you described actually requires the character to be gay. You could do the same exact shit with a straight character, so the only reason to include a faggot or a dyke is because you want them in the game, which brings us full circle.
f78bf7 No.14685636
>>14685621
>How many gay men have you ever met that don't make it THE most defining aspect of their personality?
One. The only faggot I've ever met. He taught me about integrals and stuff, smart guy.
>>14685625
>nothing you described actually requires the character to be gay
Read my post:
>hiding it because he doesn't want to dishonor his parents and he still wants offspring as a contradiction for drama
How does that work if the character is not gay?
>make it an impossible love triangle with another character as a reason for loyalty/spite to get more interesting character interactions
Same question.
e77e94 No.14685650
>>14685590
>Romeo and Juliet tier writing
You can do that with anything, it doesn't have to be homosexuality.
>caste system where the protagonist is from a lower caste than a girl he's pining after while being pursued by a girl of similar caste
>lizardman wanting to fuck everything that moves, but bestiality is wrong this is how I play The Red Prince in Divinity OS2
>do the Romeo and Juliet thing with families that hate each other
etc., the only reason to have faggotry in your game is because you like or hate fags.
f78bf7 No.14685665
>>14685650
What if I've already used all the plots you've come up, if none fit the story's setting/characters or a combination of both?
e77e94 No.14685674
>>14685665
So you're shoehorning in faggotry because you're so fucking uncreative that you've written yourself into a narrative corner and want a cheap reason for tension. Nice, now fuck off back to reddit where your fanfic trash will be more appreciated.
87986f No.14685685
>>14685613
But if you write such a character there's no reason to make him gay, trans or any other kind of minority. No story actively requires any of them to exist (unless you're making a nigger hunting simulator set in Africa), so the only reason you'd ever include them is to virtue signal.
>>14685636
>How does that work if the character is not gay?
He might be in love with an unsuitable woman. Same shit. As for the offspring dilemma, he might be infertile, or the woman might be (thus making her unsuitable). Like I said, there is absolutely no reason that requires you to include a faggot dealing with faggot issues.
>Same question.
Love triangles are exclusive to faggots? The very group of people that has no actual concept of romantic love or loyalty?
e77e94 No.14685700
If I wasn't a Christian, I would bury this thread in a flood of gay Harry Potter fanart because that's what OP deserves.
483798 No.14685703
>>14685700
Why harry potter in particular?
3316b4 No.14685744
>>14685685
In the case of gay/bi, the only reason I can think of is if there is a love interest in the story (or flirt/sexual tension/implied relationship).
It doesn't have to be forced.
On the other hand, trans, being a bunch of attention whores themselves, can't really think of a natural way of using that on a story.
545d3f No.14685751
The good type of Gays are the guys you never would immediately recognize as gay, faggots should be given a nice long zyklon shower.
We will never get good gays in media because the only way to properly identify a gay guy who isn't a flaming faggot is to actually understand their inner lives and writing just isn't there in media to make not-annoying gay characters 99.999% of the time.
3316b4 No.14685754
>>14685744
Fuck, not going to erase with those dubs
To add to that, the goal of a trans is to be recognized as the other sex, so putting the fact that a character is trans under the spotlight is ironically contradictory and, like they want to cry, "transphobic".
If you talk about a trans"woman" as being something else than a woman, then you don't acknowledge "her" as a true woman, thus making the point changing sexes useless in the first place.
353fb4 No.14686906
>>14685559
>That's not a gay character, that' just a normal person you slapped the faggot label on top.
>>14685564
>normal person with "btw I'm gay xDD" tacked on
>So why even do it in the first place?
Didn't Yoko Taro have a thing where he said "I made Emil gay because gay people exist and nobody needs to make a big deal out of it"? You don't need a reason to make a character gay or nig or trans if they're still fun and endearing as characters, like Gannon or Barret or nobody has ever written a good trans character.
87986f No.14686937
>>14685751
>The good type of Gays are the guys you never would immediately recognize as gay, faggots should be given a nice long zyklon shower.
This. Faggots and niggers should only be included if they are represented realistically and the player is given the option to slaughter them.
>>14686906
Go fuck yourself. I'm tired of niggers and faggots, they add nothing to the narrative and everyone would be better off without them, both in fiction and in real life.
ab2a73 No.14687222
The funny thing about adding faggots into media is that the kikes who do this seem to have greatly overestimated just how "tolerated" gays are in society. Here's a protip: outside of incurably pozzed both figuratively and literally shitholes like SanFran, faggots are merely "tolerated." There's a difference between "tolerated" and "liked." For reference, some examples I noticed:
>relative who fell for the Will and Grace psysop and believed fags are quirky and harmless
>got mad at her son calling his friend a faggot over a video game since "gays are people too."
>one day sees an actual faggot couple on the streets
>she eyeballs them like they were holding loaded guns or something
>instinctively hides her kid behind her without saying a word
>faggots talking about some shit in the entrance of a shop she wanted to go into. She refused to go in until the faggots left
>old guy in the place I work
>believes gays are no problem as long as they're christian, conservative, and act le based Milo XD
>his son comes out
>next day he starts grumbling nonstop about "fucking faggots" and how they "turned" his son into a degenerate pervert
Hell, even the fag hags who are solely on the train for the "guy on guy is HAWT le het is ew XDDD" are only comfortable with gays so long as they maintain their illusion of faggots being anime bishies fucking each other in the ass between bouts of going to hero academy and becoming the next hokage.
>anime fangirl I knew in highschool
>kept squawking to her circle of friends about Naruto or Ouran Host shitfictions, basically a typical 2000's era yaoi fangirl
>heard that someone in school came out of the closet
>she instantly wanted to invite him and his butt slave into their circle of friends presumably for ogling purposes
>it turns out it was a teacher
>the fucking Chinese english teacher too
>his boyfriend looked like Dennis Rodman's severely bulimic spic cousin with eyebrows that looked like they were drawn on with a fucking sharpie
>after that show happened, overhear her talking about how that was the grossest shit she's ever seen
>they still went on about yaoi afterwards, but they openly shittalked actual gays and one of them even picked on her sister for being a dyke
Gays are nice and harmless from behind a TV screen or the image on some NYT article, but the moment they get up close to an IRL fag they change their tune faster than a speedrunner changes genders.
d01563 No.14687275
>>14687222
>nigger friend
>tends to go on about how gays are ok because muh persecution of gays and niggers
>muh opression etc.
>barely stand him at that point and often argue about fags being cancer
>we decide to go to the pool once
>swimming and all is normal
>we got to the locker rooms to switch swimsuit to normal clothes and go back
>there is this old guy walking with his wang out and smiling like a retard
>my pro-gay nigger friend goes ballistic and refuses to use the locker room
>walks out
>I ignore the retarded old wang guy, switch pants and go
>come back to nigger friend
>has this ultra scowl on his face
>FUCKING FAGGOT FUCK YOUR MOTHER
>keeps going on about that fucking faggot for 10 minutes straight
>still hasn't changed his bathing suit and goes back with a swimsuit on
>can't keep the grin off my face
Gay-acceptance is just a meme. The pro-gay guys with turn anti-gay as soon as gays exhibit their usual faggot behavior.
You are correct that *tolerance* is the correct word.
a016ea No.14687291
>>14687222
>faster than a speedrunner changes genders.
c93b8a No.14687306
>>14687222
>>14687275
So long story short, it's just virtue signaling until they actually have to smell the HIV?
87986f No.14687322
>>14687306
Same shit with muh diversity. It's all fine and dandy so long as you get to go to the inner city to enjoy some Pajeet cuisine and shit your bowels out afterwards, but when the third world moves into your homogeneously white suburban neighborhood it's when the racial slurs start flying.
996d3a No.14687344
d01563 No.14687364
>>14687344
The general term is swimsuit mate. It doesn't matter that it's just pants or speedos or swimming trunks or whatever they call it.
2d9f6c No.14687367
>>14687275
you had me until the nigger wants to swim
c02396 No.14687373
>>14686906
Nobody can write a good trans character because transsexualism is a mental disorder
996d3a No.14687377
>>14687364
Huh. English is my second language, so yeah, you learn something new every day
4ffff9 No.14687381
>>14687373
You can write good characters with mental disabilities though.
2d9f6c No.14687396
Sexual deviance is a symptom, and the description of such, like sex itself, is a temporal thrill that quickly fades in its engagement. Broken characters that don't heal are not interesting except to broken people since they don't want to consider that effectiveness at sustaining life is the only true measure of the goodness of a person or culture.
b3e411 No.14687402
>>14685282
>gays
>human beings
cf6b64 No.14687536
Alright /v/, allow me to propose a counter scenario:
Why should games include Yuri? What does being an immaculate 10/10 goddess with a taste for forbidden love contribute to the character that couldn't be satisfied by a straight white man? Moreover, what character trait does a straight white man satisfy that a faggot theoretically could not?
The simple truth is that there aren't any valid reasons to answer any of these questions, other than "fanservice". Catering to the player's out-of-game interests, be it through lewd or through self-insert. You want more whites and more ladies because those cater to your interests as a player. There is no other reason. Faggots want faggots because that caters to their interests. There is no other reason. There is no organic, lore-based reason to explicitly require one over the other. It's just about what the maker and consumer want, and nothing else.
996d3a No.14687561
>>14687536
>Why should games include useless gay shit?
There is no "should" to begin with. It can, but it doesn't mean it should.
ab2a73 No.14687592
>>14687373
That and trannyism is inherently unrelatable to normalfags. Faggots can at least be paraded like normal members of society by their jewish masters. Trannies on the other hand are simply too alien to the casual observer to ignore. They can't even pass as a member of the human race, much less as someone of the opposite gender. Adding to the alienness of the transcreature is the entirely new "language" that people have to learn just to interact with them. Never before has anyone ever needed to ask someone what pronouns they wished to be referred to by and much less had these utterly arbitrary concepts so militantly enforced. Further complicating things is that these brand new genders and words and pronouns vary wildly from tranny to tranny. Trying to be friends with a tranny is like posting on /a/. One tiny, arbitrary little mistake in your wording and all hell breaks loose. Hell, even the leftist cucks tend to fall prey to this stupidity. All too often some cuck will whiteknight a tranny, call it by something it doesn't like, and instantly get cannibalized by the rest of the Marxist horde.
Another reason being that trannies tend to be a screen-time black hole. Tranny characters have a tendency to have an "all-about-me" attitude when it comes to them. No matter what situation they find themselves in, whether it's about trying to buy a Brachydios anal pounder from BadderDragon or having to choose between killing their son or nuking Boston, it will always somehow come back to them being trans. See: Assigned Male or Manic Pixie Nightmare Girls (that comic about that redheaded tranny thing that looks like it was drawn by Shmorky's gayer twin.) One can only wring the "being trans is haaaard" bell for so long before the audience wonders why they're wasting their time with a politically charged Garfield comic and goes back to PubGya or Fortshite.
b4440a No.14687601
>>14685560
Doesn't make you less gay.
e0c04a No.14687615
>>14687275
>>nigger friend
Fuck you. Get the fuck out of here, asshole.
FUCK. YOU.
2d9f6c No.14687621
>>14687536
>There is no organic, lore-based reason to explicitly require one over the other.
Sexual reproduction, see this thing called the universe doesn't really care about your interests.
48bf7d No.14687668
>>14685018
>>14684983
One of the issues with creating a gay character is that you're creating a gay character. Not because he fucks dudes, but because that was the FIRST thing you set out to do.
Not making some cyborg robo-cop party member who you find out is gay through out of the way notes to his boyfriend, you started with "gay" and that's all there is to him.
Hell in most stories if sexual preference pops up in a story you've already failed. Sex is not character. Very few times does sexual preference pop up as a story element other then a shallow surprise that changes nothing outside of crime dramas.
Who you prefer to fuck is less interesting then how you get to that point TO fuck. A good story goes like this: A knight gets a call to save a princess, he slays the dragon or leaves the princess and lays the dragon and then saves the princess, which leads to an ending or more story if the dragon was only one of many.
The story doesn't start with "and then they fucked." Neither do your characters.
Also stop shilling shit OP.
f7b2b8 No.14687687
>>14687592
Your "screen time black hole" ties back into exactly what trannyism is. It's a basic form of narcissism. They redefine how people deal with them in an effort to make their choices the center of all attention. Everything is about them being trans because them being trans is just a way to make everything about them.
996d3a No.14687696
Funny.
If you write a character who acts like a normal human being, but is also gay, the only way to improve him is to remove the gay. It's just a person now without unnecessary properties!
f7b2b8 No.14687736
>>14687687
Gender isn't the issue because they have no clear definition of what gender is. You can't be "female on the inside" unless you clearly understand what it means to be female. Internally it means nothing at all, so there really is no way to be trans without it being a symptom of another disorder (ie narcissism)
Of course there's autogynephiles, but that's entirely different. They have a clear idea of what they want (tits and vag) and no hangup about how people refer to them or anything of that nature. While it's probably possible for both to present in the same individual, they are pretty much completely unrelated.
ae02d3 No.14687773
>>14687668
Couldn't have put it better myself. It's like that old US military idea they had, "don't ask, don't tell". Unless that character's sexuality is a major plot point, it shouldn't come up unless it's like some RPG with thousands upon thousands of lines of dialogues over hundreds of conversations and it happens to come up in one of their backstory talks or something.
48bf7d No.14687785
>>14687736
Gender is literally whatever they want it to be, they want to be the definers of it in order to push people around when they get it "wrong" when it never was right. It's a tool, not a concept or state of being.
Nothing regarding gender is relevant to actual facts, it's all about controlling what people think in order to push them around. Cults do shit like this in regards to cult jargon to control how someone speaks to get a foothold into their mind using slightly bigger steps each time.
It operates like a cult as well. Someone not adhering to the the all powerful/moral code of Cth'an'hath'o'hn'h''''a/Gender? Cut them out of your life they're unbelievers/misogynists.
People like that stop hanging around family and hang around people who convince them that no one outside the group wants them or via some promise of a better something. It catches kids and adults alike, someone who feels disenfranchised or alone or whatnot. I've been in that type of situation before and it wasn't the Gender cult, but I know bullshit when I see it.
3e15f7 No.14687800
>>14687364
… Those are swim shorts or trunks, not a swimsuit.
7220aa No.14687826
>>14684983
>If you thought fictional gay male characters were stereotyped, you haven’t seen how bad procedural generation can make a stereotype
Uh excuse you, they're called queer-coded characters you shitlord
7220aa No.14687876
>>14687592
>Brachydios anal pounder from BadderDragon
If only it actually exploded
7f0b6d No.14688066
>>14685548
>I'm married you idiot.
>3DPD
>>>/out/
7f0b6d No.14688182
>>14685443
>You can't write a "good" gay character, no such thing exists
nips can, its called yuri.
f7b2b8 No.14688218
>>14688182
The good ones though only have yuri undertones
f7b2b8 No.14688243
>>14688233
It's called a beard
48bf7d No.14688245
>>14688233
You can be married and still be a faggot.
He's implying that you are of poor character. Also plenty of gays married then divorced and came out or got caught having sex with a dude.
d3c5c2 No.14688302
>>14688243
I have no interest in your new age terminology. If a man marries a woman, it's good enough for me that he doesn't like dicks.
>>14688245
This sounds like homosexuals projecting their desires onto straight men when it is entirely onesided.
48bf7d No.14688329
>>14688302
Happened a lot in the 90's. What's really likely is that you're JUST a faggot.
a20fc1 No.14688341
>>14684983
Sounds pretty gay. Where's the cute lesbians?
d3c5c2 No.14688372
>>14688329
Oh yes, of course anon. All the men you meet are secretly gay and want to have sex with you. Cause you're so irresistible.
8e108e No.14688571
>>14687222
One-punch man portrayed a gay man pretty well, as in a convicted rapist who grosses everyone out despite being considered a hero.
927a92 No.14688683
You can't really make a gay character without it being forced, because actual gays act mostly normal I have friends who are just the same there just normal guys who like taking it up the ass. Being gay isn't something that defines you as person, it's just your sexual preference.
383595 No.14688684
>>14687561
Underrated post.
03100d No.14688959
>>14687536
A straight white man isn't pandering to anyone, you fag. It's just what's normal in a society of straight white people.
0650b0 No.14689129
>>14687785
>brianna wu.jpg
32cfe4 No.14689297
>>14687536
>Pandering to straight people is "Fanservice"
Fuck off you idiot. For their to be faggots on this Earth something has to get a normal guy excited enough so he will bite the bullet and bang his fat as fuck wife. You can't have faggots without normal people its not how the universe works.
8f9224 No.14689319
>>14685018
>If you're going to make a character being gay his only defining trait then at least make him visually interesting.
I agree with you not probably not for the reasons you intended.
Games will lazily add gay characters that don't actually appeal to gay guys, Bioware is one of the worst for this.
A lot of Mass Effect's gay fans wanted a relationship with Garrus or Legion, but they made Garrus female-only and Legion isn't romanceable at all. Instead we got some guys who look like they were taken straight out of Grindr.
If you're going to pander to me, then fuck, actually pander to me. Put in a muscular fuckdroid, add a big hunky armored knight, get some futuristic marines with skintight body suits and slick helmets in there, don't give us the generic slop we always get that's all designed by straight female artists who don't have a clue what her intended audience likes but wants to feel inclusive. I'd rather much gaybait not be there at all than be done poorly. Fagrant over
87986f No.14689375
>>14689319
If you're not pandering to faggots and fujoshits why include faggots at all?
de90bf No.14689376
>>14685575
You missed the joke man.
>>14689319
I'll add to that. You absolutely can have enjoyable characters that are homo. The fact is nobody ever does. Same with different races. Before they tended to be walking stereotypes, and now they're literally there to preach how open-minded the authors are, and to the extent that it acts more of a red flag for how utterly lacking it's likely to be.
87986f No.14689387
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>>14689376
>You absolutely can have enjoyable characters that are homo
>The fact is nobody ever does
Both of you are obviously mentally ill. You say there can be "good" homosexual characters and then, a sentence later say there aren't any. Shouldn't the lack of unicorn faggot characters tell you something?
>Before they tended to be walking stereotypes
My dear redditor cuck, what you call "walking stereotypes" is what faggots are really like. The gay community is a disgusting den of degenerates, kiddie diddlers and HIV, nothing more, nothing less.
a20fc1 No.14689416
>>14689387
If we're talking western games solely, I rarely see a well written character who wears a hat or eats sandwiches. It's really more that video game writing is so bad you could list of plenty of different things and not find any good characters under it.
922f8c No.14689430
>>14685018
The thing is, Arcade Gannon is not a very good gay character. He's a good character no doubt, but he isn't a very convincing faggot. He's too human. He's Arcade first and gay second. Whoever wrote him clearly didn't spend enough times around gays. Real life queers are first and foremost gays and everything else comes second to them. Their deviancy simply shapes their personality.
de90bf No.14689443
>>14689387
>You say there can be "good" homosexual characters and then, a sentence later say there aren't any.
I was not speaking absolutely, but media allows many subjects to be presented in a serious manner, even ones some consider abhorrent. Few ever will, and certainly not when the intent is to push them as "normal" or again, as throwaway stereotypes.
>what you call "walking stereotypes" is what faggots are really like.
Real-life humans are far more nuanced than Mr. Gold and Mr. Silver and the like. You obviously have to get out more.
5102f3 No.14689469
>>14689319
So all the fag pandering SJW companies do isn't even worth it?
Now's it's even funnier to me.
2a2947 No.14689475
>>14684983
I've always wanted to do a game like Final Fantasy Tactics, but the hired mooks you have making up the rest of your party actually having a personality & dialogue. Maybe even backstory.
Now that isn't more complicated than every time the character goes to speak it checks what personality & backstory it has before producing the correct string.
However, could this generate bullshit/boring characters like OP says?
>>14689319
>>14689416
They don't even want to make attractive/likeable female characters for straight men. Arguably the same for male characters for straight women Straight men project onto a fictional attractive man, straight women are jealous of fictional attractive woman- so you can still make attractive male characters bu not for straight women.
So in general, we need better designed characters when it's for fanservice, and better written characters overall. There are characters in ecchi and hentai that are better written than Hollywood films or Western AAA games.
Hell- even the girls in Senran Kagura have more personality & something akin to a believable & entertaining character arc than whats in Bioware games. Sure the "say goodbye to your sensei" bit is purely designed to be emotionally manipulative (girl cries over someone she likes dying/passing over, comes to term with it) but at least it gets more of an emotional reaction than most western AAA.
87986f No.14689476
>>14689416
>it's because the writing is so bad!
What a sad sack of shit you are.
>>14689443
>as throwaway stereotypes
I already told you the stereotype is the reality. You can either have real faggot characters that will disgust everyone that isn't a cuckold like you, or you can have agenda pushing Mary Sues, there is no inbetween here.
Also, there is no reason to feature gay characters unless you masturbate to them, which I think you do.
87986f No.14689486
>>14689475
But what is the fucking point of gay characters? Whom are they made to please? Leftists? Why would anyone want to please them? Fujoshits? They already have their little media ghetto so they stay away from the rest of society. Other faggots? So you're going to intentionally antagonize the rest of humanity to appease less than 2% of the population, of which the vast majority doesn't even play videogames?
It always comes down to two simple truths:
1. Gay characters are only put in a story for purposes of pandering.
2. You can't write a real (as in, "good") gay character without making all groups (liberals, fujoshits, faggots) butthurt by portraying gay men as they really are.
In conclusion, keep faggots where they belong, as fujoshit fap fuel within products specifically aimed at them and leave the rest of us the fuck alone. I am tired of leftist cucks incessantly trying to tell us faggots can be well written despite all proof to the contrary.
a20fc1 No.14689489
>>14689476
It's not sad to see the writing on the wall for what it is, which is very poor. It's not like I'm getting my rocks off to the average western video game chick either. Face it, only the east can consistently make sexy characters of any style.
They can't write a straight relationship worth a damn, why expect them to write even the most /pol/ friendly degenerate filth antagonist boy-poker? They couldn't satisfy your desires even if they tried.
>It always comes down to two simple truths
You're missing the most important one, being sexy. The west is neutered and cannot understand pure sex appeal.
4293d6 No.14689491
>>14685018
Because when someone writes a faggot they do it to virtue signal, and making a good character is left out of the top spot on priorities.
5102f3 No.14689500
>>14689486
>Other faggots? So you're going to intentionally antagonize the rest of humanity to appease less than 2% of the population, of which the vast majority doesn't even play videogames?
And if that 8f9224 is to believed their pander efforts aren't even effective.
87986f No.14689503
>>14689489
>Face it, only the east can consistently make sexy characters of any style.
Yeah, and so what? We've had a few decades of quality Western games, yet no well written gay character has ever emerged. The best you retards can drag up is Arcade from New Vegas, and he's one of those "normal guy with the gay label slapped on top".
You are right when you say modern Western developers can't produce sexy characters, but I am also right when I say you can't make well written gay characters, because faggots, by their very nature, build everything in their lives around being faggots. This is just as true IRL as it is in fiction.
>The west is neutered and cannot understand pure sex appeal.
There's nothing sexy about faggots. Fujos are called rotten for a reason.
2a2947 No.14689509
>>14689469
To condition something, you do something over and over and associate it with something else.
You make someone think a piece of food is good by either giving something good when they eat it up, or punishing them when they say they like it.
Now, imagine the food is rotten. Imagine the mental state of someone who would succumb to that conditioning. Now imagine the conditioning occurred nearly every moment of every day. All media portraying rotten food in a good light, or focusing on bits of food that aren't rotten. All media showing someone who hates rotten food in a negative light. Really negative. Isolated, unintelligent, and the last person you'd admit to associating with- let alone agree with!
Now a few more people than before can fall for the conditioning, right?
It all breaks with the "Emperor's New Clothes" moment. The moment the conditioning becomes apparent and/or they realize more share their deepest doubts. MSM conditioning of supporting the left broke for a lot of folks thanks to GamerGate (unintentionally) exposing how the left plays its hand. So when Trump came around, people already new they attempted to condition them.
Want to kill conditioning? Keep sharing information.
Knowledge breaks ignorance of those who are not lost.
And you've only been conditioned to think everyone is lost.
de90bf No.14689510
>>14689476
>I already told you the stereotype is the reality.
You did, and are wrong now and were wrong then. /pol/ is not an absolute source of truth even if they are correct about bad trends with homosexuals.
>Also, there is no reason to feature gay characters unless you masturbate to them.
Oh bullshit. Similarly you can actually have a serious story with cheating involved, that isn't one of the dime-a-dozen netorare manga.
>>14689486
>Gay characters are only put in a story for purposes of pandering.
Who the fuck gets off to Mr. Gold or Mr. Silver? To be sure they are not complex characters but their boss fight is one of the best in the game, and totally contributed to by how outrageous they are and interaction with Gene.
>>14689491
It's as simple as that.
87986f No.14689514
>>14689510
>and are wrong now and were wrong then
Statistical data, as in, hard facts, prove you an idiot.
>/pol/ is not an absolute source of truth even if they are correct about bad trends with homosexuals
>/pol/ is not right except they are
The idiocy continues!
>Who the fuck gets off to Mr. Gold or Mr. Silver?
Nobody, the point is that you can beat the shit out of them, and they are flamboyantly and offensively (to the eyes) gay, so they basically are realistically written faggots. That's what you want, right?
>but gays don't act like that!
You can deny it until you're blue in the face, nothing faggots have done these past 30 years disproves the fact.
87986f No.14689517
>>14689510
Oh, and I forgot:
>Similarly you can actually have a serious story with cheating involved
Either you're a cuckold fetishist or you're a woman, maybe both. Yes, you can have a serious story about cheating, doesn't mean it is going to be a good story. Soap operas take themselves very seriously.
2a2947 No.14689522
>>14689486
Now you mention it, I think the only time I've seen gay characters written well is when they're not gay.
I don't mean not promiscuous, I mean when the character being gay has zero affect on their character arc or the story. A footnote. Played off as a joke or a quirk.
In addition, adding certain honorable and respectable traits to a gay character stops them acting like a real gay person, or only a minority of gay people. You can't make them loyal because they have no loyalty to one sexual partner. You can't make them determined because they don't work hard to get sex.
Now, when you take the above into consideration, and see a story about gay people being persecuted- ask yourself what the personality & traits of the gay characters are?
Are they gay? Or do they just fuck men?
a20fc1 No.14689528
>>14689503
>We've had a few decades of quality Western games
We have? I never noticed them. There's been some years better than others I suppose. Also I never bothered with Gannon, he was dull as fuck.
>faggots, by their very nature, build everything in their lives around being faggots
That's totally a starting point for an interesting character. Have a complete whoopsie who can't go a second without ogling your anus as a villain. It's not like sexy seductress villains who hit on you at every turn don't exist. Even within your perspective you could write someone you'd really want to kick the shit out of, and they can't even do that.
Well written does not necessarily equal likeable, enjoyable, relatable or normal. Having a complete degenerate in a story is something books and film have done plenty of times. Vidya just can't match up. I'd love to play a game written by John Waters. Basically, there's nothing poorly written about a boss fight starting with a fop stumbling down stairs in massive high heels while dildos fall from his anus. I fucking wish someone had the guts to throw that in a game.
de90bf No.14689531
>>14689514
Hard facts do not state all homosexuals behave like their depictions on TV. It does prove that they have higher incidences of prior abuse, STDs, promiscuity, etc, compared to heterosexuals. I reject any attempt to demonize an entire community or demographic, since, well, gamers continuously go through that shit, you misogynistic school shooter.
>That's what you want, right?
I gave you your unicorn now fuck off with your absolutism, and honestly, /pol/ discussion is something I'd go to /pol/ for. Not here.
>You can deny it until you're blue in the face
I can deny it from actual interactions with homosexuals. I can also deny media's attempts to present an image of perfect normalcy from homosexuals. Because again, people are far more nuanced than bullshit all-or-nothing depictions.
>Either you're a cuckold fetishist or you're a woman, maybe both.
King Arthur. Enough of your asinine bullshit. Depiction isn't necessarily endorsement.
87986f No.14689533
>>14689522
>and see a story about gay people being persecuted
And that's about the only kind of plot you ever see that actually requires the character to be gay. And it's not even that much of a necessity, you can invent any kind of reason why the character is hiding something about themselves.
>Or do they just fuck men?
You're right about this. They're basically heterosexual men that just so happen to fuck other men. Hell, now that I think about it, virtually all fiction involving faggots is written by women for women. Those books seem to be your bog standard romance novel, just that the girl is now a guy, usually younger and more effeminate (so basically, a woman with a penis) and the plots are the same as you'd find in any other romance novel. Just replace the fact that the heroine is a peasant and the hero a noble with the fact the characters are both gay and you end up with the same exact plot, the same exact tropes and the same exact reasons for conflict (disapproval of society). This just further cements the fact that the only reason to include faggots in your story, or make them the centerpiece, is because that's your fetish.
5102f3 No.14689626
>>14689514
Hey, what you posted is actually not allowed under the site's rules.
You're being let off lightly with only an image deletion, but never post any shit like that ever again or you could be permabanned.
87986f No.14689639
>>14689626
And what rule would that be?
5102f3 No.14689641
1ea262 No.14689652
>>14689531
>Hard facts do not state all homosexuals behave like their depictions
Facts state most homosexuals behave like their depictions.
>I reject any attempt to demonize an entire community or demographic
But the gay community is full of faggots that take it up the ass and that is a fact. If they don't like being called STD junkies then perhaps they can let Mike "220v" Pence flip their Switch™ the right way, the straight way, but they refuse and keep being vocal about taking dicks up their ass and adopting kids which on average end up molested way more than kids adopted by straight couples.
>>14689639
>Whether the setting of the visual depiction is sexually suggestive, i.e., in a place or pose generally associated with sexual activity;
>Whether the child is depicted in an unnatural pose, or in inappropriate attire, considering the age of the child;
>Whether the child is fully or partially clothed, or nude;
>Whether the visual depiction suggests sexual coyness or a willingness to engage in sexual activity;
>Since volunteers on 8chan are not lawyers, we err on the side of caution. Please do not post images of real children that violate any of the above criteria.
a20fc1 No.14689662
>>14689641
>>14689652
Looks like 1986 wasn't ready for the future. Imagine telling someone in the court room taping celebrated events in the street would be legally dubious.
1ea262 No.14689669
>>14689662
>taping celebrated events in the street would be legally dubious.
No, posting them on the site is.
>>To avoid a global and / or local ban on 8chan's boards, do not upload sexualized images of children.
2a2947 No.14689707
>>14689486
Now you mention it, I think the only time I've seen gay characters written well is when they're not gay.
I don't mean not promiscuous, I mean when the character being gay has zero affect on their character arc or the story. A footnote. Played off as a joke or a quirk.
In addition, adding certain honorable and respectable traits to a gay character stops them acting like a real gay person, or only a minority of gay people. You can't make them loyal because they have no loyalty to one sexual partner. You can't make them determined because they don't work hard to get sex.
Now, when you take the above into consideration, and see a story about gay people being persecuted- ask yourself what the personality & traits of the gay characters are?
Are they gay? Or do they just fuck men?
899da7 No.14690128
I've had this discussion with other people who don't hate faggots.
The general explanation seemed to be that it was done in order to "normalise" faggots and other types. Essentially to show that they didn't need to be there for any reason nor have their faggotry have any big impact. It's literally just for the sake of it so faggots and other supposed minorities, who apparently can't identify with another human being unless their degeneracy perfectly aligned with theirs.
tl;dr faggotshit is written by faggotlovers to make them ignore how abnormal they really are.