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<fuck yeah let's badly reinvent something common lisp gives us for free, except it's not standardized and therefore not portable

<but i'm sure we are better, after all the spec is only 50 pages long amirite? nonstandard features don't count! they become bad once they are though

Lisp is the best, fucking homo sex listp listp lisp

>lisp thread

>no code

londonize =: verb define
  echo ,|:y ,: ' '
  echo"0 }. y
)

usage:

   londonize 'AWAKEN'
A W A K E N 
W
A
K
E
N

this should be a Common Lisp oneliner with FORMAT

Lisp is shit.

(fun shit_lisp ((not (is "scheme")))

Holy shit almost 100 pages devoted solely to printing output in the common lisp manual. Talk about bloaty crap.

>>846

now do it in haskell

>>850

no way. Haskell is pointless wankery and unreadable as shit. The community actually prefers unreadable code and reacts to readable code like some pleb rookie programmer has tracked mud through their house. Haskell's also pointless wankery of a language, with anti-features like laziness and basically being embraced-and-extended by GHC, invaliding the standard.

The worse part of course is the semantics. To even say what's going on in a typical Haskell program, even one as short as a londonize, is (inevitably) to handwave over the details, because they're fucking appalling.

Now contrast all that with the beautiful, practical, efficient, easy to follow simplicity of the J

1. take the argument, slap on a row of blanks, then rotate the array and then ravel it into a list. print that out

2. drop the first element of the argument and then echo each element separately

here's the intermediate steps (with underbars instead of blanks so it's more obvious):

   'AWAKEN' ,: '_'
AWAKEN
______
   |:'AWAKEN' ,: '_'
A_
W_
A_
K_
E_
N_
   ,|:'AWAKEN' ,: '_'
A_W_A_K_E_N_

   }. 'AWAKEN'
WAKEN

see?

even a child could follow these transformations.

meanwhile with Haskell you're saying "so this constructs a lazily evaluated infinite list but don't worry in practice we'll only evaluate this portion of it and then these incredibly complex optimizations make this not insane and then if we use lenses then this 8000-line error message that summons Nyarlathotep which was our actual goal because she's cute and anime these days."

>>856

>even a child could follow these transformations.

once they finish reading the 100 pages needed to get the information they need to do what they need to do.

>>873

>children can't read

holy shit, things must be real bad in schools these days.

>>880

>wasting hours to read 100 pages of useless information

what should I read next? an encyclopedia?

>It's another schemefags using the Lisp name whenever it's convenient episode

>>817

This. Schemefags jack off about how minimal and elegant their language is and then every time they try to write something that isn't scripting they end up reimplementing half of the "bloat" of Common Lisp in an adhoc (and therefore inferior) way. The worst offender of this is probably Guile. Chicken seems to still be in the "minimal to point of uselessness" stage. At least it's a fine scripting language.

I can read quickly and learn quickly , but I would never expect other people to read my 1,300 page PDF manual on how to just use my fucking coding language and then blame them for all their issues, and then change the fucking standard two years later and expect them to re-learn it all again. All this too when at the end of the day, it is a shitty language with absolutely nothing to fucking offer to anyone.

>cuckscheme