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 No.33922 [Last50 Posts]

Plasmic boogaloo edition.

https://8ch.net/sw/res/18844.html Old thread for anybody new coming into this. Sorry for being gone for so long boys.

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 No.33924

File: e968f3546451175⋯.jpg (18.63 KB,350x231,50:33,britons.jpg)

File: c095dbd0d35371f⋯.jpg (8.36 KB,202x250,101:125,thracians.jpg)

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>>33922 (chek'd)

I'm fucking retarded I thought it was broken and wasn't letting me post.

To start things off I gotta be honest with you guys, a couple of my thinkin' thoughts have changed.

Way back when when I was thinking of events and when I was really starting to actually work on this idea I was coming off a 40k spree and I might've accidentally partially somewhat viewed the oldguard of Mandalorians, the basic Crusaders, under the green-tinted glasses of orks from 40k. In other words,

>no tactics, mindless berserkers, sorta dumbasses, luv a good krumpin

In hindsight its pretty fucking gay to just dumb them down to those basic traits.

I've decided to rectify that

From now on I'll be taking massive inspiration for the Crusaders from some of the barbar cultures that existed and plagued our very own history. In order of images it goes

>britons, thracians, celtiberians, huns, gaelic celts

I couldn't find a not-shit image of them so I left out the early Magyar raiders that got BTFO by Otto of Eastern Francia but some inspirations from them will also exist. What this is means is I'll look at the foundations of these cultures/take some of the more interesting pieces of it and frankensteining it onto some Crusader clans to give them more flavor.

>celtic warpaint = some clans, often considered suicidal and retarded by others, discourage the usage of armor and decorate themselves with paints (some acidic) to show their valor, while one slightly more modernized clan paints their armor as afterall beskar'gam is a second skin

>celtiberians having a hard on for antennas on their swords = some clans being almost 100% melee-centric and they use both low and high-tech swords with pronged pommels

>britons loving chariots = some clans are more basilisk, starship, and jump-pack inclined then others

>huns burning shit like slant-eyed nogs = some clans are just bigger assholes and tend to be more scorched earth than others who view their zealousness as wasteful since they annihilate any prospects of looting

The point of doing this is not only to give Crusaders more variety and distinction but also to inadvertently compare and contrast them with the Neo-Crusaders even more, as some of Neo-Crusader doctrines have been ripped straight from the clans of old that they seek to improve upon. (Also to literally contrast them, like how the hunnic clans destroy EVERYTHING their enemy left behind and Neo-Crusaders loot EVERYTHING and put it to use)

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 No.33927

File: e956a990fcbe3f5⋯.jpg (24.63 KB,409x409,1:1,e956a990fcbe3f554a44641cdc….jpg)

>>33924

>From now on I'll be taking massive inspiration for the Crusaders from some of the barbar cultures that existed and plagued our very own history. In order of images it goes

[Designated Comfy Thread]

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 No.33928

File: c84b22e306badb0⋯.png (301.8 KB,441x280,63:40,rough crude first draft.png)

File: 1f52b72eb118779⋯.jpg (66.05 KB,712x1122,356:561,Thanium Trooper.jpg)

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>>33924

These clans differences are also partially caused by astrographic (I guess, space geography) placement. During their countless crusades the Mandalorians have managed to establish pockets of their culture all over this section of space, and while they only technically have any true control of a small pocket (the sector known as 'Mandalorian Space') that doesn't change the fact that shards of the clans exist in satellite communities around their sector.

I came up with this for a few reasons, one being it ties into the clan differences and two being that I have a really fucking hard time seeing the ENTIRE/majority of Mandalorians living inside that tiny tiny sector, especially as according to the lore they even had outposts as far as fucking Dxun (which is a lot more than just a hop skip and basilisk jump away) but despite that the Republic managed to halt their expansion for a few galactic years by putting a space fence made of starships around a corner of their domain.

That's dumb

The yellow represents the more mundane clans/standard ones, the ones who have a knack for everything including starship piloting and basilisk riding. They're for the most part more basic and Crusader-y

>red

The batshit insane berserk ones that paint themselves in acidic paints that scar their flesh different colors in warped and confusing patterns the patterns are definitely not bastardized Old Sith ones that they adopted due to their proximity to Sith space like Yavin 4 and Dromund Kaas

They're mostly melee-centric but when they do bring guns its usually in the form of massive overbearing firepower like sawed-off ballistic slugthrowers that's equally good at punching bowling ball sized holes in things as it is at snapping your wrist, or huge fuckoff cannons that really ought to be on an anti-grav assembly or a bipod but nonetheless found their way into the bloodraged hands of a Gordian clansman. (I'm just using the Gordian Reach's name to describe the overall demographic here)

To show off their colorful acid wounds they tend to forsake above-the-belt armor and view those that do partake in their natural survival instincts to be sort of pussies, this alongside their batshit tendencies lead the other Mandalorians to consider them slightly off putting and heathens as they forsake the tradition of covering your ass with as much lightsaber-denying space mithril as possible.

Sort of ironically though, despite their heightened bloodthirstiness they are substantially more open to non-Taung members, even those who species-wide haven't exactly proven their people to be the most dangerous creatures to take a shit in this Galaxy. (look up Mantellian Giants to see a rare exception of non-Taung being accepted into a Crusade)

This blatant lack of traditional spirit also leads to the Gordian clans getting looked down upon by their more civilized brethren, but it also means that they literally NEVER have a shortage of men. (This openness and blatant willing to die spirit is what Cassus Fett took from them to add to the New Way)

>orange

The celtiberian guys. Proximity to the Thanium Worlds and Tionese (who I'll be later treating as space Medieval Italy and Space pirate Byzantines respectively later on) lead to these guys developing a maritime tradition and knack for close-quarters combat that'd make them famous later on.

Forced by Tionese raiders to learn how to properly fend off a boarding action and later how to conduct a nigh perfect boarding action and having their gauntleted hands metaphorically pushed into using high-tech blade weaponry to defeat the Thanium's thick armor (they developed these traits back when blasters were sort of peashooters and vibro tech was the only reliable way of challenging armor) they ended up creating a fairly unique culture built around the usage of their curved vibro-shortswords that are basically space kopis vibrators.

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 No.33929

>>33928

>why melee in space

People have a nasty tendency to dodge bullets and when you're in a boarding tube with only a couple of feet and best and maybe a few inches at worst of armor separating you and the cold vacuum many age-old tactics like suppressing fire and, well, missing may lead to disastrous consequences.

Having a shortsword on the other hand (plus being clad in some of the best armor of your time) completely changes the dynamic of a fight however. Your average Tionese pirate with a shitty pulse-wave rifle or slugthrower now has to think twice when he sees your armored up hunk of taung meat rushing him head-first, forced to stare into your T-shaped abyss and aim with increasingly more shaky hands as he tries to put your shiny metal dome in his crosshairs instead of the potentially thin walls behind you. Some would say that a shield would also come in handy and don't worry they have those, but you also need to consider ricochets and the fact that in combat situations where the range is practically nose-to-nose a freehand to wrestle the guy's barrel out of your gut while you try to hack off his head may be a useful tool.

I'll be honest, the big reason the celtiberians have vibro-kopises is because of their proximity to the Thanium and Tionese, who I already mentioned to be heavily based off Mediterranean cultures and the celtiberians were the original inhabitants of Spain, and they had regular clashes with the (later known as Byzantines) Roman empire.

>why thanium spaghetti

In reality I was inspired by the second image, those asymmetric pauldrons are a staple of Milanese plate armor, an Italian style that spread like the plague across Europe towards the tail end of the Middle Ages. The Tionese being actually given a fucking identity is also nice as they're pretty basic and bland, plus I want to introduce the whole Eres III area later on as basically Space Crimea, so there's a lot of thought going into this

>dark yellow/brown

The more hunnic guys. There's an old adage about living with black people, "the more time you spend with them the more you hate them."

This statement is true for these clans and the Republic's relationship.

These clans, due to being the closest to the heart of the Republic, have seen firsthand the blatant consumerism and moral corruption that has infected/potentially BUILT the very institutions of this, in their eyes, foreign state. They can't stand these fuckers and worst of all these fuckers are on their front lawn.

During the Crusades these clans were known for their absolutely brutality, their lightning-fast shock tactics utilizing daring basilisk drops and even fighter-strafes on contested areas annihilating enemy forces and leaving them at the mercy of these disgusted Mandalorians.

Being disgusted by their opponent they decided that the best decision would be to make them go away, in the form of mass genocides, war material scrapyards where Republic tanks, guns, armor, droids, you name it got dumped together than slagged from orbit, sometimes alongside the rest of the planet.

What did Cassus take away from this? Hate. Just pure fucking hatred of the Republic, using all of the clans' general animosity and ramping it up to frothing rage at the mere thought of the Republic.

Cassus' appropriation of their fury would fuel the Neo-Crusaders' every tactic, every doctrine, and every breath.

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 No.33930

>>33929

Oh yeah I left out a few things.

>painted guys

One clan in the woad boys actually wears armor, making them outcasts among the misfits. They paint their armor with the same shit the other kids on the playground do but tend to lack the bloodlust that their neighbors do, at least on the outside.

While the others are known for their ardent passion and love of violence these ones are known for just being fucking creepy. They take just as much pleasure in war as their unarmored brothers, but their bloodlust is locked away inside of their armor, boiling and frothing all the same but still concealed, like a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off. And while the others are like an explosion, obliterating all in their path, these guys are a straight dirty bomb, leaving behind a wake of gore and horror that leaves anyone unfortunate to follow them left with a mixture of awe and disgust.

This is Clan Vizsla.

>cassus fett learn from hispanics

While the celtiberian guys' tactics (the ones I described) may be outdated in a time where blaster technology's advanced so much there's very little left in the galaxy other than a ferrocrete pillar will stop, their disciplined and clean approach to hacking apart their opponents (which is the irony of it, the fact that they gracefully and carefully butcher you) and wisdom regarding overpowering opponents who also wear too much armor comes in handy.

<Cassus likes their discipline and efficient way of conducting war

Alright I think that's it for me tonight anons, I mostly came into this cold so don't be surprised if I have any other ideas after these ones digest a bit more. Thanks for remembering me, I'll make sure to make up for all the time I was gone

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 No.33931

>>33927

Thank you for the bumps friendo.

Posts 28-30 were all originally one continuous fucking marathon of words so I had to split it up to post, I am sorry. View them as one big post

That'll be it from me tonight, goodnight anons

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 No.33932

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>>33922

>TOR Alternative Ideas 2

Oh shit. Looks like I have a lot of new reading to do.

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 No.33960

Great to see the separatist canon up and running again. I've only posted intermittently the last few months myself because of assorted real-life issues including hard drive trouble, some of which have been fixed now and some of which haven't. The things I have posted have largely been my attempt to flesh out the worldbuilding of the overall separatist canon project without any real direction. That lack of any direction may mean that none of it ends up being helpful. This discussion mostly took place in the ship thread, so go there for examples of worldbuilding communities gone wrong, among other things. I try to get away from the kind of bullshit they do, but I'm unsure of my success rate. You can be the judge of that.

>>33929

Another question is how melee in space would occur to begin with. Most hard SF worldbuilders routinely deride boarding operations in space due to their claim that space combat would occur only at long distances with missiles, but their conception of space combat is boring and lame. I've researched ways of poking holes in their doctrine over the last few months because I was unsatisfied with it for years but lacked the knowledge to counter them and until recently assumed they were right, and I found that they don't have a monopoly. I should have gotten around to this earlier. I generally find that whenever someone says a certain concept isn't viable, what it really means is that the implementation under discussion isn't viable. It merely requires the author to adopt a different doctrine and/or go even further with the idea. With that thought firmly in mind, I have something of a suggestion which may or may not accord with what you already have planned. Your new idea of the panoply of different Mandalorian clans builds on the concept of the Crusaders and the neo-Crusaders fighting for supremacy, giving each clan their own ground battle doctrine. The clans' doctrines for space battles should be just as specific to them, and the doctrines for space and ground battles should gel together to form a unified whole.

This is something of a free market approach to military doctrine. Normally a military has a set doctrine that they don't deviate from. This isn't suggesting that the Mandalorians are space ancaps like the CIS. But Mandalorian society still has a vitality that the Republic with its bureaucratic bloat lacks. The Republic never seems to do well in ground battles, which says they're far too dependent on naval strength. They assume that enemy boarders can't complete their mission until space superiority has been achieved, and this will never happen because they can't beat the Republic ships' firepower. So imagine their surprise when they see Mandalorian fleets that reject conventional space combat in favor of waves of small to moderately-sized fast assault transports that can get to an enemy ship and board it successfully alongside legions of Basilisks that make the Republic disperse its firepower too much to stop all the incoming ships, all of which have hull breaching equipment so even Basilisk pilots can join a boarding party. They only need enough ship-mounted weaponry to get them close enough to board. Some Mandalorians will die on approach, but the Mandalorians consider this a price worth paying for glory. Not all of the Mandalorian clans will use this strategy. But it hits the Republic where they're weak. Republic officers will get bullied by Mandalorian warriors taking over their ships and will have to enlist outside aid. This situation is the perfect opportunity for a dynamic new leader with substantial ground combat skills to emerge to save the Republic, a leader that nobody cared about until he put on the mask.

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 No.33961

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>>33960

I would imagine in a cramped close quarters environment like the halls of a spaceship, using a melee weapon like a short vibrosword would be more advantageous to use than a full rifle. Combined with Crusader/Neo-Crusader armor being able to tank a few blaster bolts before closing in, then Republic crewmen and security forces who aren't much more armed than PSFs during the RotE era would have a tough time fighting off people in a CQB situation they aren't trained for.

One thing about Crusaders and Neo Crusaders though. Could the differences between them be because they are composed of different species, with the Taung idea of warfare being essentially a space Mongol horde, with the Neo Crusaders melding old Crusader-styles of war (basilisk droids, melee weapons) and melding it with more organized doctrine similar to the Republic?

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 No.33971

>>33961

Small post because I'm busy. My idea for Neo-Crusader tactics specifically revolve around jack-of-all-trades units capable of winning a firefight or melee equally as well enabling Neo-Crusader units to act as wild cards and do-it-all soldiers who's only true specialty is their versatility.

Neo-Crusader tactics will be a frankenstein of the best individual tactics from the clans all rolled together with a notable focus on small unit tactics, which I'll probably look to the Sturmtruppen from WW1 for ideas.

Neo-Crusader won't really take much inspiration from Republic ones in any way other than how to counter them, as contemporary Republic tactics mostly rely on using their industrial and technological might to steamroll their opponents, using large formations of soldiers and volleys of blasterfire supported by quick repulsorlift vehicles like swoops and speeders and heavier ones like tanks all under a protective cone of long-range artillery pieces, and they even use droid units to test or prod for opfor responses, but typical Republic doctrine doesn't really exceed much more than hurling waves of both mechanical and organic bodies into a meat grinder.

>>33960

I really like the idea of Mandalorians holding ships hostage and using them to attract other Republic craft, but I do feel that this would be a more Neo-Crusader goal as for the most part the clans view battles as Challenges set forth by the god Arasuum (the god of challenges and strife) for them to overcome, leading to them usually discrediting large-scale strategic thinking so if they were to commandeer a Republic shift and get trigger reinforcements it'd probably just be to see if they could win against them too, but I could definitely see Neo-Crusaders doing this to bait out patrols or open up holes in defensive formations, just generally fucking with the placement of local Republic assets to defeat them in detail or for some other plan.

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 No.34049

File: 7dc1fe3c34a32fb⋯.jpg (78.46 KB,1280x720,16:9,revan.jpg)

File: 126e3725fcc03e2⋯.jpg (212.6 KB,1188x900,33:25,tion cluster.jpg)

Sorry for not posting much recently anons, things have been a little hectic. But hey, I'm here to write entertainment not excuses.

In all honesty I haven't been thinking too heavily about this project but I did have an idea that I'll be sharing in this post.

The actual character arcs that I was thinking about for our two main Jedi boys, Revan and the Exile, are similar in that they revolve around change and arguably corruption but the shifts in personality and character are spurred by very different stressors and catalysts that ultimately leads one to a paradigm shift and the other into becoming a literal husk of himself.

Just to recap for those that forgot and for those now joining us, I noticed that Revan doesn't actually have a name before he took up the mask (AKA none of the writers that added to this setting bothered giving him one, and I can't blame them because for the most part it was unnecessary for their projects) so I decided to give him one.

<Tau Upsil

I'll run down the list on why again.

>greek letters

I decided to go with the greek words because of a few reasons, for starters what they mean. "Tau" (T-OW) means rebirth or resurrection, which is very fitting for Revan's character because this fucker literally has at least 3 "rebirths" in just the span of the time going from the Mando Wars to KOTOR, and "Upsil" is "Upsilon" with the last few words shaved off. Upsilon represents a fork in the road/choices, and Revan's path is one that has one Helluva lot of twists and turns, so I thought it was fitting.

Then there's the whole WHY greek part, as in how it fits in with the Galaxy. I decided to make Revan a native to the Cronese civilization over in the Tion Cluster, since I'm treating the Tionese as spess byzantines with a knack for interstellar piracy and the Cronese as basically space Anitolians (AKA Turkey before Turkroaches) I did this because Revan is said to be from the Outer Rim and, bingo, the Tion Cluster's right there, and because its really close to Ossus, and since Arren Kae/Kreia was his master and she was a librarian and Ossus was the Jedi's premier library it all sorta fits together. (Plus Bioware's model of Revan, despite not being cool scar guy, looks sorta hellenic)

Tau's reasons for going off to fight the Mandalorians has a lot of layers to it, on one hand he left because the Republic he cared for deeply was being annihilated by space barbarian cunts riding robo-horses with blasters for faces but there's also a hint of narcissism hiding underneath his pragmatism, sheer force of personality, and overall sophisticated demeanor tempered by years of service as a Jedi knight that leads him to feel almost insulted, almost on the defensive, when the Jedi council refuses to aid the Republic.

Up to this point Tau'd spent most of his adult life trying to stabilize the chaotic and torrential Outer Rim, playing a massive part in conflicts like the Tionese Affair (a power struggle over in the Tion Cluster where multiple cold warring factions were all vying for control of the now splintering region, with one side backed by the Tionese's age old hate-fuckbuddies the hutts and the other composed of the supposedly less corrupt but equally inept Tionese oldguard) and now the Jedi were supposed to sit back and jerk off to holovids of that same Outer Rim getting raped and razed by a herd of greenskinned slant-eyed crusaders.

Here's a visual I thought of to help describe what is to come,

"In the deepest reaches of his pristinely sorted and organized mind lied the mirror. A colossal marvel stretching to the heavens and horizons, stainless and just as smooth to the touch as it was to the eyes. A feat of technological mastery and an almost industrial grace, not a single blemish existed on its perfect ivory face. It was the Republic, and it was beautiful."

That's how Tau sees the Republic in his minds eye, a paragon of civilization and civility, of military and might. But when the Mandalorian Wars begin the first cracks in the bigass white wall begin to form, 'if the Republic's so great then why is it losing?' The Republic has the industrial, technological, and population advantage over the Mandalorians but despite all of that how come they are failing?

Tau has the humility to not wave around his accomplishments and supposed flawlessness, remember him and Malak were often referred to as the Order's rising stars and they definitely fucking earned that title, but he lacked the humility to NOT believe in his own honestly justified hype, and this is where problems start to sprout up.

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 No.34050

>>34049

If he's so smart, so logical, then how come he thinks the Republic, something he formerly believed to be invincible, was getting its ass handed to it by some backwater armor-jockeying retards? Remember, that visual I described was a MIRROR and it looks both ways.

And, well, Tau can't just be WRONG about something, that doesn't make sense. He's too good for that, so he looks for excu-, I mean, answers to explain this mistake.

And, God bless his little maskless heart, he finds them. A few conversations with Chancellor Tol Cressa and G.A.R. quartermaster general and logistics officials and he figures it out real quick why the Outer Rim fleet's getting tossed around like a spiced up Twi'lek at a hutt palace by the Mandos.

The Outer Rim fleet, while equipped comparably to most Planetary Defense Forces that they're usually operating alongside, well they're equipped with shit from the Exar Kun wars still because the Republic's military industrial complex is lazier than America's and in this recent time of peace has been too busy rubbing shit on the name of Personal Shield technology and the most recent BlasTech and Merr-Sonn blaster race to rearm the Republic Military to actually, y'know, rearm the fucking Republic Military. So the fucks out dying in the Outer Rim? They're using antiquated carbines that excel at frying space rodents the size of a herglic's thumb but not nearly as effective at punching through fucking Mandalorians.

So there it is, one excuse down. Tau wasn't really wrong, he was just a little bit unaware, that's all.

And then he starts fighting.

And Republic officer training and tactics are so fucked up nothing but elite units and corps like the Rocketjumpers and individual spec-ops teams like Tempest Squad even know what "solo operations" or, "independent thought" fucking are and are instead relying on mass-infantry charges, tank and speeder rushes, and artillery barrages to bully rebellious planetary governments who don't wanna pay the Senate its shekels or uppity hutts who think their floating barge worth of two-credit mercs can stand up to four regiments worth of blaster volleys to the fucking dome.

Republic military tactics are old and shit and Tau's starting to lose his fucking patience, and the fleet… Well the fleet's actually shitty and horrific.

Admiral Saul Karath, despite losing most of the time to the Mandalorians, can be excused of any accusations of ineptness because for the most part its the fault of whatever retards signed the contracts for these ships, since the majority of Republic ships are tiny fucking cruisers and frigates and they're being told to go toe-to-toe with Mandalorian destroyers and fucking Kandosii dreadnoughts, not to mention all of the Mandalorian tiny shitty cruisers.

Tau about popped a hernia from all this shit, and then there's the Jedi. The fucking Jedi won't get off his ass about, 'waaah do what I told you, stop fighting the meany armored guys you'll become evil.' After the successful Albino Hook operation that rescued the Echani population and recruited said population (the ones that fight at least, which is most) into the Revanchist's crusade, Tau is really starting to fucking rethink this whole Republiboo mindset he had going into the war.

See, the entire reason he left was to SAVE this beautiful thing, this perfect mirror, but by now there's so many fucking cracks in it it works better as Godawful Coruscanti interpretive art than as a spot to gawk at yourself he's already thinking about what reforms he's gonna try to pressure the Chancellor into doing.

As time goes on though, when the war grinds on and the newly renamed Revan's forced to use increasingly destructive methods to beat back the increasingly destructive Mandalorians, his increasingly whiny Jedi cohorts show their weak squeamishness and he's when he's forced to separate said chaff so his wheat stays good and so that the Republic he's slowly beginning to hate can survive, eventually even someone he considered a fairly valuable asset and friend fails him and nearly lets the Mandalorians take the Core at Duro, (the Exile, we'll get to him) he eventually realizes that, just like the corrupt, bloated, and ineffective Republic his own followers are in deep need of a proper cleansing.

And then Malachor V happens.

I skimmed over a lot of stuff because it counts as spoilers in a way, but the general gist is that while Revan may seem to betray the Republic later on when he comes back trying to conquer it, he honestly never was all that loyal to it, he was only loyal to his ideals, and the second he realized that the Republic didn't quite fit that mold (square block round hole) he'd have to fix it himself, all for the good of the Galaxy.

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 No.34051

>>34050

tl;dr for Revan (+some things I forgot)

>Thought that the Republic was beautiful and great, and therefore needed to be protected

>Goes to war to protect the Republic because its the best vessel of progress for the Galaxy, which is ultimately what he cares the most about

>slowly began to realize that the Mandalorians are sorta right when they say the Republic sucks

>realizes that it needs fixing or replacement

>tries to do just that

Revan never turns or changes his ideals, he just realizes that he might've been wrong and that keeping the horse he was backing alive might ultimately be bad for the entire fucking horse-racing industry because said horse has ebola and is trying to share it with the rest of the Galaxy.

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 No.34085

File: 1a0cdbd9c68f367⋯.jpg (88.92 KB,612x430,306:215,fuckup retard.jpg)

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For those unaware, the timeline of the early Mando Wars is a pain in the ass to cooperate with.

It is explicity stated that when Revan was bumbling around on Cathar searching for evidence of the cat-nogs near-genocide committed by the Mandalorians way back when (another example of Mandalorians acting with practical impunity without the Jedi or Republic stepping in to fucking stop them LONG BEFORE the Mando Wars even started, so you gotta remember that Mandalorian raids have been a common occurence for at least a few decades) Serroco was getting some thermo-nuclear loving from none other than Mandalore the Ultimate, and the Jedi Exile was apparently just there to see it. Just, chilling.

No info on whether or not he participated in the actual battle rape* the Republic fleet endured, but what we do know is that when the Republic really coulda fucking used him, Revan was poking around in the dirt.

But hey this isn't all that bad

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 No.34087

>>33971

The clans could commandeer Republic ships and set them on a collision course with other Republic space assets and then bail out at the last moment instead of going full snackbar or trying to use them as bait like the Neo-Crusaders would. The Mandos lose only a few troops and easily replaced assault transports/Basilisks from their berserker fleets while they destroy the Republic's expensive toys again and again until the Jedi come to their aid. I thought of other potential Mandalorian clan doctrines based on the weapons the Mandos have used in canon. This should be enough for you to plan out most if not all the rest of the course of the war. Out of all the ranged weapons noted to work well against Jedi, the Mandos have only been seen using slugs, flamethrowers, and disruptors in the canon material AFAIK, so it makes the most sense to build Mando clans' doctrine around those. We can ignore the flamethrowers because they're not usable on ships and we want unified ground/space doctrines unless some sort of fusion of different doctrines starts sounding incredibly amazing.

We can start with the all-kinetic weapon clan that uses bullets not only in ground battles but also on their ships. This would probably take the form of nuclear ram/scram cannons alongside Phalanx-like CIWS. They would be seen as strange and antiquated by the Republic because their limited ammo supply prevents them from staying in a fight for very long. However, they have other things that make them usable in certain situations against more advanced weaponry even without supposing as I do that they inflict more damage to make up for their limited supply, which is questionable for this story because this is supposed to be a setting that despite being intended to be relatable on some level still runs more on awesome than on realism. These weapons won't use power from the main reactor, unlike rail/coilguns, which gives this hypothetical clan more power to spend on shields and engines.

Normal scram cannons and light gas guns also don't draw from the main reactor, but they don't have the raw power to get through shields using the Republic's level of power generation and still fit on a reasonably sized ship. Nukes may not even have that much power, which begs the question of how every single ship isn't a potential bomb. Maybe part of the process is sort of like the difference between levels of nuclear material enrichment that set apart nuclear reactor material from nuclear explosives. If there is this sort of difference, that may give the nuclear scram cannon enough power to do decent damage to Republic ships because the Republic's power generation isn't taking advantage of its full destructive or defensive potential to avoid blowing itself up. Nukes don't have that limitation.

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 No.34088

>>34087 cont.

You can go even further with this and have them skimp on every ship system that isn't essential to combat to save power for the shields. They can get rid of artificial gravity or use rotating sections to create gravity because it probably uses less power than true artificial gravity. You'd be left with corvettes and frigates that have shielding equivalent to destroyers. This is unsustainable against their industrially superior foe in the long term because of the continuing need for ammo that the Republic doesn't share. But it works for establishing a foothold in Republic territory by crushing the complacent fools with sudden and brutal raids on their frontier bases.

Your radical restructuring of the Mandalorians doesn't have to ditch everything you've already done. None of this so far says anything about the culture or history of this clan, which are open for the further development you're looking for. So let's discuss the disruptor users. You can get that they work as an Orc-like clan simply by their preferred weapon. Disruptors are unbelievably deadly and are outlawed by virtually everyone, so anyone using them as a primary weapon doesn't give a shit about anything but leaving the biggest crater they can in their wake. Give the disruptor users some supplemental weapons for flavor, just whatever doesn't seem like it belongs anywhere else. You can make them OW THE EDGE nihilistic or hilarious bumbling supervillains who would be completely incompetent if disruptors weren't powerful enough to make up for their failings. The Neo-Crusader doctrine should have the most similarities to the Grand Army of the Republic that will eventually appropriate their culture, which is for the most part already in place. But it only ever counts as appropriation if it's not liberals ruining nerd culture, of course.

You also shouldn't feel restricted to making clans a direct port of some tribe from real history. They won't have the same planetary or stellar geography that helped shape real-world cultures, and doing so limits their tactics. You can mix stuff from other cultures with the culture under consideration as long as the other culture is of the same clannish bent and the configuration of resources and territory available to that clan allows it. Mixing cultures makes no sense otherwise. Native American tribes and the Warring States period of Japan might be good candidates. But you also have the possibility of making clans a direct port of some faction from some other story. All this stuff about swords and disruptors in a warlike culture makes the Mandalorians sound like Klingons, so the aspect of Mandos competing with each other to better destroy the enemy becomes necessary to separate them if you include disruptor users. Klingons always used the same doctrine. You could also take a self-aware humorous approach and have the Orc clan act like exaggerated Klingon stereotypes partially as a nod to them and every other fictional warrior race ever and also as a sort of deconstruction of those groups and of the self-aware humor that Hollywood just loves these days for some reason. It could even make many of the characters' realizations of the Republic's flaws more poignant when they see this gaggle of retards and wonder why the great and powerful Republic is losing to them.

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 No.34089

File: 1053f827b7a1984⋯.jpg (696.52 KB,1200x427,1200:427,confrontation.jpg)

File: bd604ce557564f0⋯.png (898.42 KB,695x564,695:564,dorjy boy.png)

>>34085

Revan's actions weren't all that popular with the Jedi Council, so you can't really blame him for doing everything he could to legitimatize his actions as the Council was prepared to literally ARREST him and the other Revanchists if they refused to give up his crusade, so if he didn't want the biggest fuckheads in the Order to be tailing his every breath and knocking on the latrine door every time he took a shit it makes sense for him to find evidence of the danger the Mandalorians represented so at the VERY least he could present it to the Council and get them off his ass.

And, like most things he tries, he fucking did it! He not only found zero Cathar on Cathar and a whole lot of cat bones in the ocean, sorta like checking the dumpsters outside a Chinese place He found a… Mask Yeah some Mandos have masks, not helmets. Sorta fucking stupid I know and used his abilities awarded to him by Papa Unifying Force to show the absolutely brutal deaths of the Cathar people at the hands of good ol' Cassus Fett, who was salty that some Cathar clawed up his space sofa or something.

>mission accomplished

Evidence of Mandalorians being, y'know, Mandalorians was apparently just enough to legitimatize Revan's efforts in the eyes of the Council, or at least Vrook, as in the comic he takes his guys and fucks off, leaving the Revanchists to pursue their mission despite ACTIVELY denouncing it later on.

Some things happen back home, the staunchly Anti-Mandalorian Wars Jedi Master Dorjander Kace (second picture) was booted off the council for… Reasons?

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 No.34090

>>34089

Sorry if those posts seem short, for some reason I keep getting the "body paragraph too big" alert

The wiki states that he was booted because of his staunch opposition to Revan's Revanchism and because of his opinions he was, I don't fucking know, deported due to downes syndrome its fucking retarded.

It's so stupid I'm going to address it, but since he's a throwaway trash character I'm going to do it in a throwaway trash fashion. greentext

>Revan (then Tau) gives his arguments to the Council regarding why they should join the war

>Council (AKA mostly Atris, Vrook, and discount Yo-I mean Vandar) responds with blah blah low Jedi population blah blah Muh dark side is involved blah blah why the fuck can't the Republic handle some barbars

>Revan, having heard about the Cathar genocide from one of his Jedi buddies, brings up the fact that Mandalorian raids on small-scales have resulted in immense destruction DESPITE the Republic military, imagine what its gonna be like during a full-on WAR

>Dorjander Kace, who let me remind you married a Mandalorian and probably wouldn't care if he had to speak Mando'a for the rest of his life 'cause he's a mandocuck, says that Mandalorians are good boys who dindu nuffin and demands Revan present his evidence

>Revan states that he's going off the word of a fellow Jedi, which should be evidence enough. Plus he looked into it in the archives and noticed that recruitment from Cathar went from rare to fucking zero in the last few decades, (there's been quite a few Cathar Jedi in the Old Republic) and then checked the Senate and noticed that there wasn't any Cathar senator or ambassador anymore and that the Senate actually sent an investigation team there but they got scared by bugs the first time around, but the second time they found that all the city-trees were either unoccupied, burned, or fucking UPROOTED

<UPROOTED

These trees are fucking I don't know, uprooted, you'd need God damn starships to yank them out.

>Revan's convinced some bad shit went down

>Dorjander argues that there's no evidence the Mandalorians were involved and they're only connected by rumors, (and astrography, since Cathar's right next to Mandalorian Space) and that its more likely that the cats refused to pay for Space Catnip and some pirates BTFO'd them

>Revan says that's bullshit

>The council's sorta skeptical of both of them, they're aware that some shit went down but don't know why and say that without any evidence from either side the argument is null.

<Dorjander plays his trap card

<Dorjander states that, on the Council's faith in him and his accomplishments, on his faith in the Force, and his faith in the Order that the Mandalorians were 100% unrelated to Cathar

>He says that if all it takes is the word from some Jedi (the cathar guy) to convince him of something, then the words of a council member should do the same

>Revan tries pointing out that that is fucking retarded since he went to a lot of fucking work to verify those words

>He gets cut off by Vrook since Vrook's old man ears are sick of arguing over the same points, he asks if Revan has anymore arguments for the council

>He says no

>He's dismissed so the council can vote on a decision

When Revan categorically proves that he was right and that Dorjander's either a dumbass or lying nigger on Cathar and Vrook goes back to the council with this information, he tells them that Dorjander was wrong, Dorjander demands evidence and Vrook shoots him down and says that his whole "on muh honor" speech is invalidated as he's now proven a dumbass.

>dorjander's booted from the council

>Lucien Draay takes his place

That shit already technically happened, its just sorta handwaved and explained in a bare-bones way that leaves me wondering what actually happened, so I decided to explain what actually happened.

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 No.34091

>>34087

I thought about the Mandalorians commandeering Republic ships idea and I love it, it helps not only replace their own numbers and bolster their numbers but also creates intra-clan division as some clans (the Hunnic ones) believe in destroying all enemy materials while the ones taking and using them tell them to fuck off and not tell them what to do, and this division can be an opportunity for Cassus and Mandalore to push the Neo-Crusader ways a bit more.

The Jevhavey'ir assault ship is very missile based already and could could easily swap one of the concussion missile launchers for some sort of ballistic weapon, which is a great idea. You could also fit a sort of troop-carrying torpedo that'd breach a ship and then spill a bunch of Crusaders onto it, which really ties the whole ballistic/commandeering/marine fighting theme we've been posting about all together.

And I also do like the idea of using weapons that are older and don't tax a ship's reactors the same way, really shows how fucking old these guys' weapons are and the concepts they rely on.

>>34088 (chek'd)

The restructuring is more of a doctrine/perspective change, and a source of inspiration for explaining battles later to come, I'm definitely not scrapping everything lmao

And Christ no way I'm porting over barbars straight into Mandalorian clans, just taking bits and pieces that I find interesting and stitching them in for flavor.

The crazy berserk guys are gonna be part autism part maniac part self awareness, they're gonna still have all those tropes and all that but they're still gonna have the self-awareness when seen chilling out during Cassus and Mandalore perspective sections, where they're shown to be fairly fucking weird and retarded in their own ways and a stereotype of fictional warrior classes, but at the same time their is a layer of introspection to them that makes them not totally 100% crazy to even other Mandalorians, as while they do spit on some of the Old Ways' traditions they also strictly abide by their own rules of conduct and behavior that they firmly believe in, even if they are aware their more peculiar actions can drive a wedge inbetween them and their cousins.

Clan Viszla's a very self-aware clan, they're completely aware of the fact that they're considered outcasts by both their own Gordian Reach brothers but also among the more traditional clans, plus they know that their brutality and downright horrific ways of war are disgusting and on some level wrong, but despite that they still recognize the fact that they are who they are and accept it, more willing to abide by their own base nature than to change it.

They're gonna be all those fun spess warrior stereotypes showing meta-self awareness but there's also in-universe self-awareness, its just that they're willing to accept themselves despite their batshit flaws and inhumanity.

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 No.34092

I plan on posting about Zabrak after this, not doing a full deep-dive into my ideas on them because that'll take place after the Serenno stuff, which is next-next.

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 No.34093

>>34091

Maybe the Crusader clans should have somewhat different religious beliefs or at least focus on worshipping different gods. Seeing how the Mandalorian religion evolved would be fun.

I was questioning the usefulness of missiles in the ship thread after spending quite a long while unsatisfied with missile-only BVR obsessives in the hard SF community. It strangely does make sense to have it set up the way you describe. Having assault ships with missile bays will tie up the Republic's point defenses when the berserker fleets are approaching the Republic ships to board them. That means more of the Mandalorian troops will make it onboard the Republic ships. The assault ships should have very few non-missile or ballistic weapons so they can go as fast and be as well-protected as possible with the surplus reactor power. I don't know whether there's any room in your doctrine for ballistic destroyers.

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 No.34192

Hey anons, sorry for being gone for so long.

I'm sick of forcing you guys to read my excuses, so in case you want to hear them I made them in a different format this time around

Here's a vocaroo of me mumbling, I'm unintelligible because I'm sleepy and my mic is shit.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s16dyvyUio5C

Also sorry for the cough and that little spergout at the end, I'm sick

>tl;dr sorry I got busy, things happened, things still happening

I might do a retake later when I'm less fucked if you guys actually want that. Here's my game plan,

>talk about blasters

>alot of blasters

>talk about the D'Asta stuff

>Start outlining Revan's work with the Zabrak

>Go through the Exile's time getting his ass whooped during the early Mando Wars

That's my current plan. Inside of these posts will probably be me spitballing some ideas regarding character junk like explaining Talvon Esan, talking about how I plan on developing the exile, give Nihilus a name and a face, I think you guys'll like my idea for him basic shitter stuff like that to break up the monotony of blasters and large-scale lore stuff like arcs more on the lines of Albino Hook and things like that.

I can't stress this enough though anons, I am busy and I am sorry for that. Saturday I'll be getting laid, Sunday I'm doing things, and during the week I'll also be busy.

I am though really getting back into this stuff and getting ready to fully commit again like I did last thread, I'll be replaying KOTOR and KOTOR 2 unmodded (KOTOR 2 unmodded except the Restored Content mod, since some of the Kavar dialogue that fleshes out the Exile's relationship with him gets re-added) and stuff like that.

I apologize for neglecting this thread and those that came to it

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 No.34590

File: 0a66e838b748c03⋯.jpg (57.63 KB,770x774,385:387,iriplebia.jpg)

Sorry its been so long since I've posted on this Kel'dor Weather Forecasting Forum, there's no excuse for me being lazy and insulting all you guys that bothered to pay attention to my ramblings. I am sorry for the long wait

Let's talk about horny guys

The Zabrak are a people who's entire existence revolves around reactions, their physiology, technology, and culture is entirely based on their tendency to be reactive towards threats and issues opposed to proactive, they have a tendency to wait for a swarm of Zur to maul their two month old baby before getting out the zhaboka opposed to not living in a cat-sized bug infested Hellhole to begin with. They also are known for being single-minded beings capable of only perceiving the Galaxy through an exceptionally narrow tunnel, causing them to focus on problems one at a time, dedicating all of their spiky-brainpower towards a singular solution before homing in on another nail that can only be hammered in at exactly the right angle, with no margin for personal tastes or alternative methods.

To understand the Zabrak psyche one must understand the broken, acidic Hellhole they call home. Iridonia

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 No.34591

File: ca2dff6d6f82394⋯.png (519.35 KB,616x620,154:155,Iridonia based.png)

File: f2d40e2b0eb702c⋯.png (2.33 MB,1920x788,480:197,Acid niggas.png)

>>34590

According to Wookieepedia, which gets this next bit of info from the Essential Guide to Alien Species, Iridonia is an acidic shithole with oceans, lakes, and puddles more acidic than the insides of a Xenomorph. That last picture I posted is an artist's interpretation of that planet.

While I understand and do agree that the planet looks proper shitty and unpleasant to be a citizen off, that looks an awful lot more like volcanic activity than acid oceans. I don't mind the idea of Mustafar's less magma-y cousin being the Zabrak's homeworld, but what was described and what was made are two very different things. I am in full agreement with the original artist that lava and acid are likewise good at rendering solids into not-solids, but molten rock and spicy water are two extremely different things.

Attached to this post is my recoloring with minor edits of what I think Iridonia would look like, the gray shit's clouds from volcanic activity because just like our very own toxic sister Venus who also has acidic weather, Iridonia is suffering from a bad case of the tummy rumbles which translates in earth-shattering seismic activity equal in fury only to a Chinese audience watching a chinked up screening of TLJ watching in slant-eyed horror as Rose kisses Finn, dishonoring her famiry and heritage for generations

Said horrifying natural earthquakes leads to Iridonia's surface looking a Helluva lot like Darth Sion, with cracks and fissures all over its face making it rather unfortunate to live there. However, unlike our favorite scottish edgelord who uses vibroswords as dildos there's actually some life hidden away in said canyons and cracks and its not getting held together by impotent rage at the fact Horny Space Grandma doesn't bake him knife cookies anymore

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 No.34593

File: ebe4bd642ff60fd⋯.jpg (368.85 KB,1900x1016,475:254,Shitty canyon.jpg)

File: 3e546d892696a55⋯.jpg (1.3 MB,2232x3370,1116:1685,Canyons.jpg)

>>34591

Much of Iridonia's surface resembles this first image. Barren, sickly, and probably unhealthy to breathe. That second image however shows a very common but extremely important phenomenon on Iridonia though, is colossal canyons that put our very own Grand Canyon to shame. (It's like comparing perfectly seared and seasoned skillet-cooked tri-tip to some boomer's grilled 13.99$/lbs half-rotten t-bone, or the Star Wars Prequels to the Sequels)

Inside of these canyons the Zabrak were born, horned little multi-organed bipedal dumbasses that refuse to die no matter how many rocks you drop on them or how many torsos you separate from the rest of their body. In these canyons did the last remains of a somewhat decent atmosphere and environment remain, with soil capable of producing more than pockets of untapped magma and gaseous sulfuric acid.

It was here that the Zabrak people carved out something resembling a meaningful existence, farming (despite being described as carnivorous, I guess they just invented farming so they could unlock the ranching ability?) and shooting the fuck out of whatever asshole creatures ALSO wanted to live in the one not-fucked part of their planet.

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 No.34595

File: bd74292025809ab⋯.png (176.82 KB,600x600,1:1,All together.png)

File: 98fdd37a03db32f⋯.jpg (156.07 KB,683x1024,683:1024,Frog helmet.jpg)

File: 7bfb1e86656ae97⋯.png (22.42 KB,332x430,166:215,Rotation.png)

>>34593

Now I am gonna apologize for the images in this post. Apparently when I made them at like 2 in the morning a few days ago I forgot to make them make any fucking sense, but since they're beautiful I'm going to keep them in their beautiful form and you'll be along for the ride when I interpret them like fucking hieroglyphics.

>top left

That is a Kanul-Den, meaning "Tunnel Maker" or "Burrow Former" I noticed that some Zabraki terms when written phonetically resembled some old gaelic terms, like ouc equaling Oak and meaning bravery and germanic pagans thinking oak as a symbol for bravery cause muh Thor, stuff like that. Not all the authors get the memo though the Kanul-Den is an apex predator on Iridonia, standing roughly ten feet tall and being shaped like a pissed ant with two big horns that run up and down its face.

They are swole as fuck and tend to fight standing upright, positioning their vulnerable thorax away and enabling them to use their four extremely powerful arms with claws that resemble climbing pickaxes more than appendages to annihilate whatever was stupid enough to piss them off.

They use their massive horn face-plates to shift through soil, sort of like animals here on Earth use their stupid blunt faces for, but due to neckgainz and horse steroids Kanul-Dens are even able to sunder rocks and drill straight through stone if need be. When they're not tunneling like spider-dwarf-moles they climb around using those aforementioned claws and are known to be able to scale anything from a sheer cliff to even the fucking ceiling for short amounts of time.

They're able to rotate their head somewhat but also have the ability to lock their heads in place, sort of like how pitbulls can lock their jaws. Only Kanul-Den do this in order to eat blows from angry club-wielding zabrak, and pitbulls do this to hold onto whatever delicious infant you're trying to steal from them When they lock their neck carapace, it's basically like smacking a frog-helmeted knight, and just in case you need a reminder those fucks were able to eat couched war lances and still fucking survive. I'm aware frog helmets were mostly tourney helms and that tourney lances were gay and made to break, but records do exist just like records of arming-sword wielding knights sundering great helms do. History is wild

Ignore the KOTOR Iridonian armor bits for now, I'll cover that in the next post. Suffice to say that lots of the Kanul-Den's traits and even its physical makeup was inspired by the Iridonian armored Enviro-Suit, such as their heavily armored front and comparatively soft and fleshy backs, the general shape of their head, all that good stuff**

Kanul-Den were terrifying creatures for early Zabrak to behold, but ultimately these people would look back with an odd masochistic thanks as these beasts were in all honesty responsible for propelling Zabrak weapon technology in the direction it went. And they sure are fucking proud of that shit

Quick thing before I go, the green circle backpack thing is a reference to how Kanul-Den young clutch onto their mother's backs, which is yet again another reason why they square up on two feet to engage hostiles.

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 No.34596

File: 9bd8b917a3fd938⋯.png (88.15 KB,266x414,133:207,Iridonian Enviro Suit.png)

File: 813b54ba86e0e33⋯.png (173.37 KB,873x381,291:127,Zabrak Tystel Mk3.png)

File: 5b6592c279b1760⋯.png (200.51 KB,919x344,919:344,Zabrak Battle Cannon.png)

File: 6182f32d8bb4c18⋯.png (3.94 KB,48x48,1:1,Quadranium AKA Dur-Chene.png)

>>34595

I forgot to bring this up last post but regarding the ant wiggling his butt, I think that was me describing how Kanul-Den can shift their thorax around, making them even harder targets when they're bipedal.

I noticed a motif in both KOTOR and its mod, High Quality blasters which is honestly a massive quality of life upgrade despite just being a texture overhaul of things you'll probably only glance at once or twice unless you're an autist like me.

Back to the pattern though, Zabrak equipment, whether the IridoNian IridoRian was a bioware fuckup guy's armor, the Tystel heavy pistol series, or the Battle Cannon, they're all made out of this fucking bronze-brass metal. They're consistently like this, but nobody else has really touched upon it, only continued it

Well I did some digging and like I did with the Zersium components in blasters I found another metal, Quadranium, which has a few nods and references in the KOTOR series as being a metal with an extremely high temperature tolerance leading to it being used in starship exhaust bits and everything else headed into a spot that's a little too spicy for durasteel.

Also Quadranium is bronze-brass. It fits perfectly

The Zabrak refer to it as Dur-Chene which roughly means fire-resilient or flame-tolerant and they have a hard on for using it in just about everything, probably because not only can it take a lava bath and come out untarnished but also because its as stiff as my ex's scoliosis spine, making it ideal for making important shit out of it.

The blaster pistol shown is a Tystel Mk3, which is different from the earlier iterations as it is slowly phasing out as much Quadranium as possible to make it cheaper, having only the most important pieces being made out of the precious metal opposed to its predecessors which were more in line with the shown Battle Cannon, who are practically hunks of Quadranium machined and hammered into a vaguely rifle shape.

**Just a little lore tidbit, you remember that on Merr-Sonn rifle I came up with? The one with delicate components that made it one of the first rifle-sized blasters capable of sustained fire? The one that almost made Merr-Sonn declare bankruptcy because Merr put all his eggs in the corrupt nepotistic basket of Chancellor elect Tol Cressa, who ultimately got sidelined by the Republic Military quartermaster general into fucking over Merr-Sonn because their blaster was too fucking expensive to outfit an entire Galaxy-wide military with?

Well good ol' Merr's keeping his company afloat by selling the production and modification rights of his Magnum Opus like a two dollar Vegas who- I mean, gentle-ma'am, to anyone willing to purchase a few hours with her such as the Zabrak or Mandalorians?**

tl;dr The Zabrak Battle Cannon is the bastard daughter between Merr-Sonn's technological-marvel but corporate-failure MSB-4 Magnum, only where Merr-Sonn's shekel loser used its heat-resistant design to allow for more bolts to get shoved out of its soul-crushingly expensive barrel, the Zabrak optimized it to toss out the equivalent of light-artillery at Kanul-Den and other critters too dumb to realize that horned-thing got a new toy from Spessman Target.

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 No.34597

>>34595

>Now I am gonna apologize for the images in this post.

Doesn't matter. What matters is continued quality content which we're in desperate need of in these dark times.

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 No.34598

File: f46969ae58d6b63⋯.jpg (62.55 KB,400x627,400:627,zayne robes.jpg)

File: 30c9c45b7e5cc10⋯.jpg (139.03 KB,935x606,935:606,baby killers.jpg)

File: e413c207a162d16⋯.jpg (21.13 KB,321x383,321:383,Gay.jpg)

Let's take a break from talking about Iridonians to talk about something equally as spiritually engaging and emotionally stimulating.

Jedi fashion hour

I fucking hate KOTOR and TOR's general approach to dressing their Jedi, which is can usually be summed up as retarded.

First we have Zayne Carrick and the Jedi Covenant, and while to be fair the covenant's exotic dress and style is more of a reference to how they're becoming materialistic and not very Jedi-y, that doesn't change the fact that they look like Tarisian nobility (which they sorta are, so I get it) opposed to proper Jewdi kniggers.

Next to offend my eyes is KOTOR's ocular abortion that is the Jedi robes.

I get wanting to be different and all, have the Old Jedi look and be different than what they'd evolve into, but for fuck's sake if this is your solution you need to breath pure Zyklon B and take a long fucking shower.

Fucking shoulder pads on what's supposed to be innocuous pleb robes designed to help magical space wizards blend into a crowd and show off their monk-ness is a fucking bathrobe with some leather patches to protect your clavicle from what? Ithorians sneezes? Fuck off

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 No.34599

File: a99cd41092e2d76⋯.png (15.09 KB,382x1552,191:776,Vestments.png)

File: 51f8bb73cdfcb69⋯.png (703.81 KB,1540x1100,7:5,fashion tism.png)

>>34597

Didn't know we had a Massassi flag. Thanks for implying that my autism is quality though

Luckily, like fucking everything Old Republic related, some authors didn't pay attention to other lore and luckily added fashion styles that exist in later eras to alleviate the agony on my eyes.

The key thing that separates Jedi robes from basic robes tends to be the VESTMENTS, outlined in eye-rape pink, are additional wrappings that cover the inner/middle **there's 3 layers, the INNER-inner brown one, the inner/middle (since the base layer is mostly forgettable) and the outer layer that's usually vestments) robes and really give Jedi fashion that sort of wide-shouldered demanding air that we see in shoulder-inserted suits that makes them stand out. In KOTOR your robes lack these, instead we get the gay shoulder things, but for better or worse the designers behind Arca Jeth, Atris, and other Jedi characters that prequel-era vestments existed way back when too.

Left to right we have Duron Qel-Droma, (robe model colored based on his appearance in the comic) Arca Jeth (lots of interpretations here but most have him like this) Atris of course (based Obsidian cementing vestments with her existence) and I separated Kreia because while it may seem at first that she has vestments, her outfit is actually completely unique.

It has a base beige layer that includes the weird cloth gorget chin sleeve thing, the baby poo tunic, then a sorta dress that hangs from her shoulders and at first resembles vestments only to turn into a flowy dress thing. The dress opens up above the belt in a way that angers Allah had it not been for the tunic below but also tricks the viewer into thinking its just vestments, but like most things Kreia related the bitch tricked you and now you feel stupid. That or I'm projecting my reaction to realizing this

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 No.34600

>>34599

Gonna take a break from posting to nab this 34600 post to hear some responses. Sorry my return's taken so long anons, I'll try to keep the posts up

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 No.34602

File: 756f55555501bd4⋯.png (114.42 KB,866x332,433:166,sirun1.png)

File: c286d80ae8c365f⋯.png (65.63 KB,1140x2360,57:118,Jedi Robes All.png)

Its late but I feel like giving you guys another peak into my brain so here's another one.

The first image is my first draft idea of what the Jedi Exile's first lightsaber should look like. The idea behind it is that its a smooth techno-autismless cylinder that leads into the asymmetric but nonetheless softly curved emitter, with the only gaps and lines being formed by necessary pieces like the switch section, emitter matrix, and pommel being all their own individual pieces that had to be all joined separately but otherwise still retain the smoothness motif. I haven't edited this image but I will, the main reason I envisioned it looking like this was so that it'd clash so much with his second saber the one you make in KOTOR 2 representing how much the character's changed plus the smoothness of it makes it fit with Atris pretty well and she ends up with it anyways.

My next post tomorrow will probably be me word-vomiting my ideas for the Exile's actual character, describing my goals regarding his development and such. I've gone a bit into my ideas for Revan but not the Exile so it'll be your guys' first real glimpse at him

Also, I attached my autistic template for Jedi robes. Its not 100% original, I'll post the original some time but it is heavily fucking edited and making it nearly gave me a hernia at one point trying to make the robe continuity work I don't have long robes in it, but I'll post them if someone wants them

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 No.34620

File: f04a76c3a488e5f⋯.jpg (26.32 KB,220x305,44:61,KOTOR.jpg)

File: 5aad8d32e16e577⋯.jpg (25.67 KB,256x320,4:5,TSL.jpg)

>>34602

Quick KOTOR rant before I unload my brain's autism trash compactor in text form.

After recently replaying KOTOR and I'm once again in the middle of a KOTOR 2 RCM playthrough, and just as I thought the first time KOTOR 2 is better.

KOTOR's tone and atmosphere never really ever gave me a sense of urgency, never that feeling that the Galaxy was really in any danger whatsoever or that the Republic might get fucked over. Bastila Shan on her own's allowed the Republic numerous victories against the Sith using battle meditation, and Revan being out of the picture for a bit leaving behind Malak who, if you honestly thought for a second was intimidating past age 12 you need a 9mm lead injection, the Galaxy for the most part was gonna be fine.

Manaan's Subnautica adventures are probably my favorite part of the game, second only maybe to the first time I saw the crashed Czerka sandcrawler on Tatooine. That image sticks with me I don't know why

Despite Lucasfilm's and Bioware's best efforts to annihilate KOTOR 2 though, with Lucasfilm annihilating their project by fucking with release dates and Bioware doing everything they can to keep their stranglehold on Old Republic content alive by destroying the Exile as a character and propping up Revan to letting Karphyshyn lust after his own creation like a pride-parade attending faggot and inserting him into everything from their Star Wars flavored WoW clone to the Bane series which is still my favorite SW book series

KOTOR 2's characters, despite being static as fuck when it comes to Bao-Dur, Mandalore, HK-47, T3, and Disciple, still felt better than KOTOR's to me with the exception of Jolee and Canderous.

Jolee and Canderous were at least interesting, and Canderous even goes through an arc where he begins to seek value in something other than slaughter and destruction, and Jolee was at least entertaining.

Carth, Bastila, Juhani, Zaalbar, Mission blah blah fucking blah you can't convince me they weren't bland as fuck. Carth was the least offensive in this category but all he really does is stop seeing a target on your back for a few minutes and gets slightly less whiny.

People like to jerk off Kreia and all as the end all be all greatest SW character of all time, I understand why but at the end of the day she's just a great subversion of Jedi/Sith to a point where she's neither, simply a Force-wielding human who hates the Force and prizes her own free will and self determination above everything else. She's well written in that despite pushing independence down your fucking throat she literally manipulates you and everything around her, just like the same Force she hates, for her own ends.

She just stands out in the universe more than a lot of other characters, and I guess that's why she's so beloved. plus her dialogue is kino

Handmaiden's sorta bleh but definitely has her moments and feels more alive than Bastila, Juhani, or Mission ever did, Bao-Dur's just a horny and less-hairy version of Zaalbar, T3 shits all over his younger self being a batshit insane astromech, HK-47's voice actor lets loose and shits all over any of the work he ever did in KOTOR, Visas is just some thicc blind Sithskank who only really exists as a Deus Ex Machina to job Nihilus and so Horny Space Grandma can tease you about getting your dick hard to whatever scars Nihilus' left on her She literally does this I shit you not Atton is unironically more likable than most of KOTOR's cast and all he does is scream about how Pazaak is manipulative and crawls into everyone's mind and that he used to kill pazaak but now he is a +1/-1 pazaak card.

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 No.34621

>>34620

Body was too long, had to cut this one in half

Mira is forgettable so I won't talk about her, G0-T0 is actually cool and I like him, Disciple is forgettable and stupid, and Hanharr exists so that Dark Side players can have the absolutely beautifully written talk with Kreia about the Lesson of Strength.

KOTOR 2's music and atmosphere shits all over KOTOR's too, since you really do feel that the Galaxy is in deep shit and that you yourself are one of its last hopes, with the Jedi hiding in whatever dark crack and crevice they can find pulsating with enough pain and suffering or discontent to hide their meek pseudo-Buddhist Manichean faggotry and the Sith, despite being a shadow of their former selves, able to basically act with impunity as shown by the Battle of Onderon where they waddled over to a Republic-affiliated world and dragged their graying degraded balls over the face of Queen Talia, when G0-T0 tells you that he honestly doesn't give a fuck whether a Jedi or Sith ruled Galaxy exists you can really understand where he's coming from, since all he wants is for the Galaxy to not commit sudoku for two fucking seconds.

Plus KOTOR 2's music is better than KOTOR 1's, Telos is inferior to Taris in terms of actually doing shit but Peragus + Telos annihilates Taris, since Peragus was probably one of the best game starts I've ever played.

Those are just my own personal thoughts after just getting done with a KOTOR playthrough and recently finishing up Nar Shaddaa as my first planet, on Dxun now. I'll give you boys that Sirun post before I wrap up on the Zabrak by going over their colonies and how the Iridonian sphere of influence works.

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 No.34626

>>34621

That being said though, KOTOR 2 is far from perfect. Occasional stuff like there being Sith Troopers on Peragus despite the player not encountering a single one on the Sith-hijacked Harbinger and them basically appearing out of Sion's chipped ass cheeks for us to have some riveting turret gameplay with, Citadel Station relying practically EXCLUSIVELY on one source of fuel and the sudden loss of it affecting the Republic, which let me remind you is a nearly Galaxy-wide nation, and Telos being its flagship and foremost industrial project, the loss of one admittedly large mining station affecting Citadel Station so much is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

Then there's other stuff caused by Lucasfilm's meddling like Bao-Dur's character disappearing, the GenoHaradan part of the plot ending up on the back of a milk carton, Nar Shaddaa's later plot getting rewritten, stuff like that, things that can be excused by the whole schedule bullshit that ultimately make Avellone and Obsidian's final product extremely impressive for managing to make what they did despite the hurdles Lucasfilm threw in their way, but at the end of the day even with the Restored Content Mod KOTOR 2 really is a tragedy and I really do wish we could've gotten a proper Obsidian product, but hey, shit happened.

Those are just some thoughts I had and wanted to vent, plus it warmed up my writing brain so I can talk about some of my ideas for the exile

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 No.34627

File: 46d0fe689006f39⋯.png (740.15 KB,669x445,669:445,You Were Afraid.png)

My first time playing KOTOR 2 I hated all of the faces. Dunno why but for me there was no Scar Guy or Mullet Man, y'know the obvious picks for a protagonist.

Luckily for me Space Jesus existed so I used him. Some things though bugged me

>Spess Jesus' age

I look at this face and see a man not a day over 30. I look at the Handmaiden and see a thot not over twenty-fucking-three. We're Space Jesus not Space Mohammed.

Maybe I'm just too big of a puritan, but that shit bugs me. Visas too seems really young and while Mira claims you're an oldie, its more of a deflection from her real fears which are that the Handmaiden'll forget that the first tier of Echani arts don't include vibroswords to the back while sleeping and that Visas'll make Katarr look like a joke if she catches your dick in Mira.

I honestly doubt Visas who do anything if she got cucked since she honestly seems like the type that'd be into the whole humiliation thing, but Holy fuck do I understand why she'd be spooked by the handmaiden. Schutta practically got violent when she heard that another girl on the Ebon Hawk got her ass beat other than her (Aw shit that's a good line I'll remember it)

Back on track though, my point is that I hate to disappoint you brothers but I won't be using Space Jesus as a baseline for the Exile. (in terms of looks that is)

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 No.34628

File: 4c7cb6c32e90771⋯.jpg (37.36 KB,320x564,80:141,Talvon.jpg)

File: 8e66dc0f44914a3⋯.png (228.41 KB,381x417,127:139,sirun snap.png)

>>34627

I hate to disappoint but there are a few reasons why going into this.

For starters,

>age/appearance age

Weirds me out to have a 30+ dude crawl off the cross to stick his dick in some albino then heal a blind woman with his dick, I can't get past that

>he is blonde

Talvon Esan, who's a nobody with a forgettable name in KOTOR 2 since he shows up once but I'm actually turning into a character, is also blonde, and since my brain keeps giving Sirun a green lightsaber when its supposed to be blue whenever I try to see fight scenes in my mind's eye having a blonde Exile will also help fuck and meddle and get in the way. Its autistic but it is a problem, my brain is just too crude to handle it apparently

>Mod face

There's a mod out there, Scruffy Nerfherder, it takes the model for this Talvon Esan guy (face 06 I think) that you can choose and replaces it with second pic related, well similar to second pic related I edited the texture for my current playthrough.

Second pic is a screenshot. It's a little high up because I used HK-47 who's practically droid-Shaq

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 No.34629

File: 967ab2add4a6f19⋯.png (112.72 KB,285x175,57:35,Side by side.png)

File: cd0718aae5afe22⋯.png (7.21 KB,267x200,267:200,eye difference.png)

>>34628

Things are about to get a little autistic, bear with me. I noticed this when trying to pick a face, and its that Space Jesus' eyes are unique. The pupils are smaller and there's this effect where the color of the iris darkens the higher you go on it, and for some reason my reptile brain prefers looking at it over the other eyes, which sort of have an uncanny valley effect where they just look off.

Space Jesus' eyes also have a uniquely shaped pupil, which can be described like a half circle with a half chub on top, giving it this sort of relaxed and laid back look. Combine this with his facial animations which go from happy and chill to frustrated and pissed and overall the face model just works better than any other in KOTOR that I've seen, better than Mullet Man and better than Scar Guy.

I modified the scruffy nerfherder face mod to have more Space Jesus-y eyes, different pupil, different glint, different coloration, and as you can see with the side by side its about as close as an unprofessional retard like me is gonna get. I went with blue-er eyes because Star Wars needs more aryans and because they stand out better than the mod's basic brown ones, and while someone put an enormous amount of detail into making Space Jesus' eyes more than any other I swear to God, I'm not crazy, go look at them yourself. I honestly think the devs intended for him to get used, there's just too much extra detail and work put into him and him alone to just be a fluke. Space Jesus' hazel-green-skintone eyes don't really pop as much as I think they should, and while that contributes to him being more mundane and chill it hampers the overall uniqueness of his facial model.

I've talked about faces for too long, this is starting to get gay. Please understand that I have put an absolutely fucking retarded amount of thought into this, and something may be wrong with me

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 No.34630

File: 9d81f1b8a27194b⋯.png (23.62 KB,603x383,603:383,Naming I think.png)

>>34629

Now the name. Sirun Krii. (SER-UNN KR-EE)

Proper Star Warsy, Sirun's name came as a result of me reading Meetra Surik, hearing it in my head, It's not a bad name, shame its attached to such a godawful abortion and took some syllables and noises to craft Sirun Krii. Plus the surname Krii popped up in my head some time before I started working on this project and its stuck with me

Here's an image where I think the sounds came from. Gray means either I didn't use it or not sure how it impacted the rename.

M and N sound similar so I swapped the M and used an N in SiruN, TR and KR are similar so that's why the latter is in there.

At first I wasn't a huge fan, but after saying it in my heads a few times the puzzle pieces fell into place and my autism was satisfied

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 No.34631

File: d26174c5b8923f7⋯.png (38.44 KB,1900x784,475:196,SIrun All Robes.png)

File: 26f27e4a49eac02⋯.jpg (59.77 KB,455x321,455:321,TUSK NIGGA.jpg)

>>34630

I won't spoil his entire character arc because not only have I not completed it but also because spoilers are spoilers and you guys are cool and I'm not a dick.

Sirun'll be a POV character, a commonly reoccurring one, and there isn't exactly a static protagonist only varying conflicts inside of the overall stories if that makes sense.

Sirun undergoes an arc in the sorta buildup first.. Part I guess, its basically the prologue to the Mandalorian Wars stories proper but is still a self contained story in a way

In KOTOR 2 Kavar, despite having been said to have trained the Exile, and even apologizes for not completing it during the events transpiring after the Battle of Onderon, is never stated to actually being the Exile's jedi master, instead Wookieepedia dodges the issue but saying that the Exile was Kavar's """informal""" padawan and that the Exile had another master entirely.

An unnamed one. Who's alluded to once as having existed

That's fucking retarded. Kavar was the Exile's master, but due to Kavar's elevation to the Jedi Council and the subsequent overload of duties he has, Sirun's padawanship ends when he's at the ripe age of ~19.5, so around the same time most padawans get knighted, but troublesome padawans who can't seem to wrap their heads around "no put pp in woman" or "don't dissect toddlers and use their pain to zap the shit out of your master," those more discipline-lacking Jedi edgy faggots take the wrist-razor to their braids whenever the Council thinks the Space Ritalin works it magic or the Master bribes said Council into taking the padawan off their hands.

Sirun was one of those. Now look that was hyperbole, Sirun wasn't off skinny dipping in the Dark Side or whatever, he was just having a difficult time locking away those emotions.

Sirun was brought into the Order around age eight, so pretty late when compared to the other coruscanti kids.

Thing is, Sirun wasn't Coruscanti, he comes from a little planet that's not too well known as Kira Prime. Planet exists, its just one of those barebones ones with no descriptions. The ones I like to give descriptions

Kira Prime was settled by human settlers way back when and is a temperate world full of mostly rocky highlands split apart by rushing rivers, imported nerfs with gay spiraling horns, crocodile turtles called Great Saliks with a bite force capable of crushing durasteel, and of course, these weirdo underground spooky niggas that had advanced technology and a hard on for ecology.

When the humie settlers started encroaching on, well everything, long story short they got pissy and after getting BTFO'd by slugthrowers and early blaster tech they got pissy and decided that if they couldn't have paradise nobody would. They detonated a fuckhuge nuke that tore apart a chunk of the planet's surface and has still left a massive tainted blast mark visible from fucking orbit.

Also the manlets have a tendency to escape their pits long enough to steal babies and shit, they're dickheads

Sirun's pa was some pleb soldier who got gibbed by the dickheads, leaving his unprepared mother the astronomical task of raising the little dipshit all on her own. And single mothers never fucking work, look at Detroit and Chicago and try to argue with me

Plus, Sirun was a Force Sensitive little boy. A bit above average at best, but still Force Sensitive.

Everyone who's played KOTOR 2 knows about the Exile's ability to spit out Force Bonds left and right, sinking his hooks into the consciousnesses and souls of whoever he interacts with and unconsciously exerting a sort of influence over their thoughts and actions, thing is he's not aware he's doing this. This leads to him basically chilling in the back of whoever he's had a decent size impact on's mind and never fucking leaving.

It's like having a song stuck in your head, or not being able to stop thinking about somebody or something, its a sort of obsession you have no control over.

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 No.34632

>>34631

I'm talking about extreme cases here but that's what it does. It's source can be traced back to Sirun's innate connection to the Living Force, the same Living Force that intersects with all forms of life and binds them together, running parallel with the Unifying Force, which binds together space and time to create reality.

And then we get this fucker's personality. Sirun's a combative and argumentative little shit who's convinced he's right, and due to some innate big-brainness and charm, and tendency to be a fucking moron wannabe-savant, he's more than happy to talk your ears into suicide about why the Sun rotates around the planet, and due to the Force influence working its diabolical magic you might just start to believe the yappy faggot.

Sirun also, due to the whole lack of a father and getting raised by an inept single mom, has some discipline problems, and when you add those to his tendency to think he's right and ability to convince others he's right, you get an overly self-assured and absurdly self-confident prick that thinks he can do anything he fucking feels like whenever the urge pops up in his poorly developed brain.

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 No.34633

>>34632 Oops I probably could've combined these two. My bad

But then, there was Master Kavar. After finishing the training of his first apprentice and attaining the title of Master, Kavar decided to throw his lightsaber in the ring again and edumacate another little one. After hearing stories about the little dark haired fucker who all his little buddies either loved or hated, Force influence and force of personality at work again BOMA CLAN REPRESENT! Kavar decided to try his hand at fixing the little guy's apparently poorly screwed on brain case.

And to his credit, Kavar did it! Sirun went from an insufferable cunt to an infinitely more likable irony bro, which is still God fucking awful, and by age 18 was seemingly about to claw his way out from under the multi-ton weight of assholehood. He was a few steps away from achieving normal personhood when… Kavar gets elevated to the Council.

After some work on Tython that I won't get into, it was deemed that Sirun (who had previously failed the Knight trials due to being Sirun Krii) after retaking the trials once more and doing marginally better, was finally ready to be a knight.

Now, in terms of lightsaber skill, Force mastery, and all that, Sirun was average, maybe even a little above in terms of Sense abilities since he can feel the fuck out of the Living Force and he was starting to get pretty good at swinging around a laser sword, afterall Kavar was one of the Order's reigning greats at the time at cutting people in half on those fronts Sirun was good.

Now, on the whole not being an emotional autist who flies from enraged to apathetic in an instant like a hormonal hooker on ketamine? That's where the problems start to prop up.

Sirun developed a deep connection with his master Kavar as Kavar filled a role Sirun'd been lacking for basically all of his life, a father. Kavar was the father he never had and part of him got really fucked up when he realized that daddy dearest won't be around for him to lean on for a whole lot longer. Sirun's already an overly emotional person due to his initial upbringing and his very nature as a person, but having someone he cared about as much as he did, someone he perceived to be his fucking Dad getting yanked away from really fucked Sirun up. I've never actually lost any family that close to me and I am sorry for any anons that have, I can't imagine how much that must fucking hurt and I'm sorry if I reminded you of it, but I hope I'm not misrepresenting the pain someone would feel from it

Sirun's initial arc inside of the prologue bit is him fixing himself, its him addressing his own emotional and mental shortcomings instead of ignoring them and him finally coming to terms with the cards he's been dealt, as the eruption of the Mandalorian Wars and subsequent murmur of pain and agony in the back of his mind Really connected to the Living Force, has fairly advanced Sense abilities, and the Mandalorians are off genociding planets left and right really pushes him to grow up and realize that his problems fucking pale in comparison to some poor alien villager in the Outer Rim staring down the barrel of a Mandalorian disruptor. I've gone a little deeper into Sirun's character than I intended but I hope I've given you guys a sufficient glance into some of the ideas I've mostly left untouched since in my mind they feel a little fanfic-y, I understand that you could technically call everything I've posted fanfic-y but I'm referring to the poorly thought out Godawful shit that makes what I'm trying to do look like utter dogshit just because the two might fit under the same umbrella term, and my rewrite of the Exile is a pretty big fucking part of my ideas.

Thanks for bearing with me through this, its been a long post

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 No.34634

File: 9187acd1c9a7231⋯.png (15.02 KB,756x784,27:28,Sirun important robes.png)

I got so wrapped up in other stuff I forgot to talk about clothing symbolism.

One of Sirun's things is that he clutches onto the past as a way to hold onto what he perceives to be his identity, Sirun has a strong sense of individuality and feels that it is under attack by Jedi platitudes and things like that, in reality what he's doing is refusing to give up his own personal past because he views it through rose-tinted glasses and thinks everything was so much better back then, he romanticizes it and tries to think about nothing but it because he's trying to avoid the present, which he's afraid of.

The red robe trim is a Kiran pattern, one Sirun's mom autistically sew into everything she could stick a needle through because its an old Krii family pattern.

The more unique inner robes symbolize Sirun's supposed identity, that uniqueness he desires to keep protected and safe. The outer vestments were at one point a pair of equally ornate and fucking gay robes, only Kavar said that they were sorta gay and that Sirun should dress like a normal Jedi instead of a Sonic OC pls no steal.

Sirun dropped the fancy vestments for basic pleb ones as a compromise, symbolizing how Sirun's supposed fear of losing his identity is dwarfed by his other fear of disappointing his father figure, but there's also a very Sirun-y meaning to it as well. The bland Jedi vestments on top of the fancy Sirun robes represent Sirun's immature tendency to shift blame off of himself and onto the Jedi, pinning all of his shortcomings and failures on the Order not Kavar, remember, he views Kavar as sacred, just not the Order they're attached to instead of accepting that he himself may not be some paragon of existence.

These robes are the same ones he's wearing during that one fight I described on Nouane, the one where he gets BTFO'd by a Basilisk war droid and captured by the Mandos. These robes get trashed there and the subsequent honor duel he gets in with that one Mandalorian commander guy and after he arrives on Serroco, moments before the bombardment, he meets back up with his bro Talvon who's been refusing to go back to Revan until his best buddy's back, so Talvon's been doing some Force beacon shit in an attempt to contact Sirun who's been busy getting his jaw broken by an angry Mandalorian.

The robes represent Sirun's whole idenity clash thing, the fight between he perceives to be his personality and the ever encroaching Jedi Order that's coming to crush and dominate him, getting annihilated and replaced by the actual conflict of the Mandalorian Wars, which is mirrored by Sirun's POV chapters which focus mostly on internal turmoil starting to focus outwards on issues that actually matter, i.e. the Mandalorian Wars.

Also they matter because Sirun's Original Character pls no steal style getting replaced by bland pleb robes represents how superficial things like his exterior and how he presents himself getting blown away by the energy of a Basilisk war droid's pulse cannon, replaced by Sirun acting like Sirun and being Sirun opposed to him worrying about being Sirun.

I'm stupid and bad at explaining things, in the actual writing it'll make more sense.

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 No.34635

File: 5268d9418d3df62⋯.jpg (37.71 KB,736x729,736:729,original.jpg)

Also I said I'd find the original robe template thing, here is what I started out with and built off of

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 No.34639

File: 5787a7b7973c0b1⋯.jpg (20.71 KB,473x390,473:390,1545454931411.jpg)

>>34635

I don't usually post anything in these threads but I enjoy reading them. Just letting you know.

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 No.34641

>>34598

Fuck you. Zayne is best-dressed Jedi.

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 No.34652

File: 0994ec1a6abb55f⋯.png (75.19 KB,199x303,199:303,REVAN'D.png)

I don't always post in this thread but I'm always reading it, keep up the good work man.

>>34620

>Carth, Bastila, Juhani, Zaalbar, Mission blah blah fucking blah you can't convince me they weren't bland as fuck.

You're mostly correct there, but Mission had qt Twi'lek titties. As for Bastila, I have a soft spot for tsunderes.

>I understand why but at the end of the day she's just a great subversion of Jedi/Sith to a point where she's neither, simply a Force-wielding human who hates the Force and prizes her own free will and self determination above everything else.

I understand that she's not truly orthodox Sith due to not particularly wanting to rule the galaxy or anything like that, but despite the subversions I'd maintain Kreia is much more like the Sith than she is like the Jedi. The Sith also emphasize self-determination, albeit in a slightly different way: if everything from the Force to the whole Galaxy is firmly under your thumb, and you're strong enough to keep it that way, you've acquired as much agency as you can possibly get, and are free to do whatever the fuck you want. This is what the "Force will set me free" line in the Sith code represents. You could also construe her desire to kill the Force as a more radical version of the Sith's views on the Force. Rather than opening themselves to the Force's energies like the Jedi, the Sith forcibly exert their will on the Force and treat it like a beast of burden, something firmly under their control. The Sith wish to bind the Force to their control, Kreia wishes to make sure the Force is never out of her control by destroying it. Not quite the same, but there's very much a common thread there.

>Scar Guy or Mullet Man, y'know the obvious picks for a protagonist.

Damn, I thought I was the only one.

>I look at this face and see a man not a day over 30. I look at the Handmaiden and see a thot not over twenty-fucking-three

A 7 year gap in age is nothing when the younger is in her twenties. If we're talking about an 11 year old and an 18 year old I'd see where you're coming from, but 23 and 30 is perfectly fine.

>>34634

>robe symbolism autism

Shit like this is what separates your posts from the pac of OC DONUT STEEL fanfics, keep it up.

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 No.34662

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>>34639

Thanks anon. Feedback and responses mean a lot to me, I'm thankful you guys are still willing to read my shit despite all my long hiatuses

>>34641

Pic related is his best outfit don't @ me. Ditching the outer vestment bathrobe shit and replacing it with a Man with No Name babyfood-colored poncho was the best decision he ever made short of smashing a qt albino elf thot

>>34652

Bastila romance was good. Mission was 14 so its a good thing the Outer Rim has no age of consent laws.

>Kreia is more Sith

Absolutely, Kreia was really just a mask for Darth Traya all along. You're right in that it could be viewed that she's just a hyper Big Brain Sith who realizes that the ultimate way of breaking the Force into becoming a beast of burden is to just shoot it in the head, but I feel that her dialogue with Atris when she states that Sith teachings are ultimately useless but still a necessary step highlights her philosophy, at the end of the day "The Force Shall Free Me" clashes with her philosophy because what she believes is that "I shall Free Me," or something like that.

But yeah, at the end of the day the Jedi align themselves and drown themselves in the Force to reach enlightenment and become one while the Sith and most dedicated Dark Siders, for that matter skinny dip in it to get their power high so they can larp as a broken power line and have ultimate power for a few seconds before their bodies get fried by the sheer Force quantity they have balled up inside of them.

And that's something I just realized, could Dark Side degradation be caused by the Force because Force energies are inherently destructive to organic life and that it breaks it down, becoming one with it? Afterall, Force Lightning is a pure expression of the Force and look what it does to shit, it can literally turn things to ash.

Just food for thought.

>Scar guy

Any other pick is shit tier, nogRevan and blonde butterface are throwaway NPC faces, not protagonists

>age gap

I gave Sirun a birthdate that would make him around 28-29 during the events of KOTOR 2, so he's not far from that mark.

It's really just that Space Jesus looks more like 30-40 to me and in general the sort of overly matured and middle-aged look makes me think he should be spending his time turning water into Juma Juice or chugging down Rancor Zero Ultra while riding around on his repulsorlift lawnmower rather than saving the Galaxy from freaks that get kicked out of Marilyn Manson concerts for being too fucked up.

Again, thanks for the feedback anons. I can't stress enough how much writefags depend on ((((you))))s, we're like kikes rubbing together shekels default dancing on pieces of the U.S.S. Liberty when it comes to feedback

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 No.34663

File: e80dc9929b1a8f3⋯.jpg (156.87 KB,1024x768,4:3,Basilisk.jpg)

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Just got done with KOTOR 2 and I feel like talking about it.

Now look, if there's gonna be anybody to jerk off Chris Avellone and Obsidian's work with SW its me, but that doesn't mean everything they did was perfect.

Off the top of my head I can only really think of a few things that really bug me, that's Peragus' finale, cucking on Kavar, stretching out Malachor as much as possible, making Zez-Kai Ell side with the council, and not being able to make up their minds on what happened to the Exile on Malachor V.

Peragus thing

The Sith Troopers at the end break continuity because they come out of nowhere. Not fucking once did we see them on the Harbinger but now here comes a battalion of them out of one of the cracks on Sion's face, they're ill fitting and its obvious they're just there for padding out your escape. I understand that the turret controls were too clunky for something like, I don't know

<Sith Assassins chasing you, they cloak and uncloak as they try to approach you. Shoot them while they're uncloaked or use the barrels to deal with/uncloak them

Something like that would've fit and made some sense. But I got something even better

<HK unit transmits a frenzy signal to the malfunctioning droids during his Self Destruct sequence, having them all rush towards the hangar.

This includes one important change, that either when HK confronts you at the administration level he uses some droids to cover and escape, or that you never see him there and that he waits at the Ebon Hawk for you to arrive before you fight him.

>Waits at Ebon Hawk

<He's tampered with it, busting the engines and/or hyperdrive

<When he dies, he triggers the droid frenzy that causes them to rush to you. Atton and T3 do last second fixes to the engines while the Exile uses the turret to fend off the horde of shambling robots

<Just like with the Sith Troopers, Kreia pops out of a vent or whatever and hops in the Ebon Hawk I don't know how she not only escaped Sion after suffering a wound that makes the Exile fall to his fucking knees, but also the army of Sith Troopers she apparently tagged along with and waited for you to job before hopping in the Ebon Hawk

That bugged me. Not enough to ruin Peragus, which is actually one of my favorite parts of KOTOR 2, but stilled bugged me.

Kavar cucking

There's no reason not to make Kavar your Jedi Master. Had they done this, there would've been a much bigger emotional impact on him being part of the group that exiled you and made your scenes with him on Onderon have much more weight then they end up having.

Plus his betrayal at the end also has a bigger effect, there's no reason other than to add some retarded degree of separation from you and him in favor of giving the Exile some unnamed referred to once other master.

It's stupid and I seriously don't know why they did this, did they plan on your actual master appearing in game? If they did that, then why did they have all of Kavar's lines including the ones where he talks about training you done while Korriban is so bare bones? I don't get it

Malachor V shitshow

Traya dialogue was good, the remote bits are fine if you use cheats to go Turbo and zip around, Hanharr and Mira's closure was meh just like their characters, but Holy fuck does it feel padded. Two separate areas of rock and zyklon B cracks with weird swole Trandoshan cunts that're definitely on gear practically dripping with Vitamin S trying to take your head off, and once you get through that you're forced to wade through a literal fucking sea of wannabe Sith faggots to save your buddies before you can give Sion or Traya a deepthroating session with your lightsaber, it felt so needlessly long mostly because its riding on the climax of confronting the Jedi Council, BTFOing Atris, Shredding the Hungry Boi™, then watching the fucking Ebon Hawk give some of Malachor V's local geology a pounding, its just too fucking much too fucking soon and it takes eight years to get to all of this.

You don't beat Sion through a lightsaber duel, you convince him to kill himself sorta like the BBEG in Arcanum, Traya should've been a debate not some mind-crushing fight, or at least have the debate before the fight.

My solution is simple. Cut out most of the bullshit so we can enjoy the atmosphere of this amazing game's finale, the quiet moments on Malachor V were great and I wish we had more of them.

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 No.34664

File: 39ca0e4a90dd913⋯.jpg (49.89 KB,440x550,4:5,star viper.jpg)

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>>34663

I really don't realize how long these posts get. Had to split this one

Zez-Kai Ell

Short one because I don't object to this one as much as the others.

Zez-Kai Ell's self imposed Exile was interesting, it showed once again how Gray Jedi either fall to the Dark Side like gay failures or become worthless social recluses a la Jolee Bindo. Qui-Gon wasn't necessarily a gray Jedi, since he was a firm lightsider and he believed staunchly in the Jedi's teachings, just not the Council's Edicts. Zez-Kai Ell is closer to Gray Jedi because while he didn't necessarily use the Dark Side, his emotions to become more powerful, I'm aware that the Force isn't light and dark and that the Dark Side is just shorthand for obstructing the Force's flow to empower yourself opposed to losing yourself in its flow, like a rock in a river but not only did Zez-Kai Ell question the Council which he was on he also openly questions the Jedi's teachings, believing that they may be at fault for creating so many dark siders. I'm not necessarily opposed to Zez-Kai Ell ultimately agreeing to strip you of the Force because the Jedi are afraid that when that scream building inside of you finally goes off that it'll kill everybody, but I feel that its weird for him to not at least object to Vrook or Kavar when they bring up some of the things he himself admitted to being critical of, like how Vrook and Kavar don't acknowledge the fact that the Jedi might've created you instead everything being your fault, he corrects Vrook once on something small but not on the big things that literally caused him to leave the Order.

No real changes here, maybe a few more disagreements that's it

Malachor V and the Exile

Kreia states again and again that the Exile "Cleanly broke all connection with the Force," paraphrased but still correct but this can't be true as the Council literally tries to sever the remaining ties, implying they exist, and that the entire reason why you and Kreia are bound together is that you unconsciously Force bonded with her prior to Peragus, implying that your ties to the Force weren't completely separated afterall because your inherent Force ability to sink your influence hook into unwitting people unwittingingly still remains.

Is Kreia just being retarded? I think so. That or she's purposefully lying to you about a very tiny inconsequential detail any retard who understands the Force a little bit could understand

It just bugged me to hear this so much as it feels like a major oversight, because unlike it some instances like when discussing Visas' usefulness and how that everybody who's dumb enough to get manipulated deserves it, you never can call Kreia out on this like you can in other situations, you just either accept or refuse to comment on it.

It just seems like a detail they should've realized was a little off, that's all. I am very nitpicky

Basilisk war droid

Forgot to mention this one, but those two images I posted are related to this. Chris Avellone is a brainlet who thought basilisk war droids were stupid so he changed them from beastial droid mounts to… StarVipers. Ye Olde StarViper spaceships

That was dumb and lazy. Basilisk war droids are perfect the way they are, did his team just not want to animate the war droid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm0jjLRh730

The scene of you dropping into Iziz from orbit was kino, but they're forgetting that in KOTOR 1 Canderous describes his armor reacting to re-entry as all things do, getting all red and shit.

Basilisk war droids are big but they're also just meant for one person, my solution to this one is simple.

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 No.34665

>>34664

God damnit last one was too big too

>Really, really big basilisk

Have it be Mandalore The Ultimate's personal one, a colossus among giants. I don't have a problem with Mandalorians turning these fucks into meteorites like they're described to as mostly because Mandalorians seem to be really damn good at shield technology and wearable projector arrays in general, since you can't find practically any in the wild in KOTOR or KOTOR 2 that don't have a stealth field thing and when you think about it the stealth fields are just a different type of projector that rather than surrounding you in a nigh-impenetrable force field instead fucks with how light reflects off of you or something, Mandalorians hooking up massive and overpowered shields to Basilisk to allow them (and the rider) too survive re-entry unscathed isn't really that big a deal since Star Wars fighters literally use their shields to give the finger to aerodynamics anyways, so its a mute point.

That's my KOTOR 2 rant, I honestly feel that these things wouldn't have changed much had Obsidian been given more development time, I feel that they had all the tools with them when they made these things to, y'know, make them better, I just think that they didn't despite having the chance.

I won't harp on them for too long, they've given me a level of hindsight so I can see what NOT to do in my adaption

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 No.34666

>>34665

Jesus, I'm sorry I stretched that into three posts anons.

My plan for this project, as an overall, looks like this

>Mandalorian Wars adaption

>KOTOR 2 adaption

Adaption meaning stories, with there being essentially a bunch of novellas in a chronological order that are self-contained but contribute to a larger timeline, i.e. the Prologue, Albino Hook, Revan becoming Revan + Recruiting the Zabrak while the Exile gets his ass whooped while the Mandalore marches towards Arkania, the D'Asta/Serenno Affair, Revan heads off to recruit more Force wielders since the Jedi are cunts Makutai, Baran Do, Bladeborn, Zeison guys, Jal Shey. This leads him to discovering the Sith teachings when he finds a cult on Korriban while the Exile gets his ass kicked at Eres III Which I plan on making the Eres system be basically Space Crimea leading up to Dxun, Mandalore, and Malachor

I don't want to do a KOTOR adaption because I have no real creative drive to do it. There is nothing I think I can really add to it to improve it plus the only thing I really remember being remotely compelling in it was Malak's last words at the end, where he sort of reflects on the long and beautiful history of him and Revan's friendship before his lungs forget how to breath.

KOTOR 2 on the other hand…

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 No.34667

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>>34666

KOTOR 2 has a lot of breathing room

KOTOR's story is under a bit of a bind because Revan's quest, the one to hunt the Star Maps, is less open-ended than the Hunt for the Jedi Masters because the map on Dantooine literally fucking marks everywhere he needs to go, now you could change this by making it so that each map only reveals another one's location, that way the actual events inform the planet order Dantooine one shows the Tatooine one which leads to Kash-UK (I hope that triggered someone) to Manaan to Korriban but that doesn't change the fact that either way Revan always has somewhere to go, some place to be to push the plotline ahead.

Now you may be saying, "Anon, nice dic-.. Doesn't T3 literally fucking regurgitate the Jedi Masters' locations the second you're done bullying Atris?"

You are right. But, unlike the Star Maps immediately giving Revan a path to follow no matter how they're incorporated, the entire maguffin of KOTOR 2's search relies on T3 having the info from Atris' archives, and you gotta remember what this means.

T3 is literally a batshit insane utility droid about as tall as a refresher who's gone for YEARS without a memory wipe, with so many psychological ticks and binary bats flying around his trash-can shaped head that its amazing he hasn't programmed the Ebon Hawk to hyperdrive straight into a fucking star by now.

My adaption works like this, T3 has the archives but they're all encoded to Hell. Atris was a Jedi Historian, someone who goes dumpster diving in Jedi laundry baskets and sticks their hands down space porta-potties in search of precious holocrons, plus she has a metric asston of Sith Holocrons, something tells me she might have the idea to put some security measures up for her own fucking database

The first thing T3 gets his grubby little terminal adapter on is the Exile's trial recording, after that while the Exile's off dealing with Telos problems he starts to decode the ciphers on Atris' files and piece together the data stored.

In my telling, Atris doesn't have a full on fucking list of where the surviving Council members went, as all of the Jedi Masters you talk to claim that they're not supposed to know where the others are though I am under no illusion that Atris wouldn't do her fucking damndest to keep tabs on them instead she was snippets and reports of information compiled by a network of agents, which includes the Handmaidens of course, since Brianna alludes to their being other missions she's been sent on and one of them was definitely kidnapping the Ebon Hawk and throwing it in the back of their windowless white base under the pretense of selling T3 candy with the first Jedi Master T3 hones in on being Zez-Kai Ell on Nar Shaddaa.

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 No.34668

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>>34667

Now, there's some changes that occur before that even happens. I'll keep them brief, unless I feel like rambling which means I'll probably ramble for a dozen posts on a throwaway fact or line

>Harbinger

Not from the Exile's POV, but on the Harbinger Telos gets talked about, a few throwaway lines between the captain and Atris' favorite Handmaiden since Atris admits to having orchestrated your return before they happen upon the Sith ship

>Peragus

Everything's the same except the ending, no Sith troopers instead HK blows himself up in the hangar and triggers the Peragus droids to swarm, you blow up Peragus II and escape like normal

>Telos

Batu Rem was actually originally going to be related to the GenoHaradan, and he was supposed to admit this to you. That is retarded

Fake-u Rem claims to be an exchange agent, Atton goads him still but since he isn't a fucking moron he doesn't release you all, instead he flips the kill switch to leave no survivors. Like the GenoHaradan would

Unluckily for him though, Sirun senses the electrical ping and reroutes the electrical command to release Atton and Kreia's cages, forcing him to eat the shock but gives them the chance to dab on Batu Rem

Aaaaand I'm already going off on a tangent, I forgot to bring this up but it is important now.

I brought up Sirun's advanced sense abilities, I was inspired to incorporate them into the story by that one scene in Peragus where Kreia has you sense the electrical presence of the droids, something we never see in the Star Wars universe because brainlets try to sense droids the same way they do organics, they look for the Force in them because the Force is in EVERYTHING organic, no exceptions. However, these extremely minute pulses caused by behavior core feedback, memory banks being accessed, all of that does have an albeit small but still noticeable presence in the world, one that, if you're looking for the right thing, you can find.

He still can't read droid minds because data and electrical impulses are still two different things, ultimately one can argue that data and droid brains operate on electrical impulses just on a fucking microscopic scale, but nonetheless still electrical.

Sirun can barely sense large robots doing things that include comparatively massive amounts of energy, like preparing to fire weapons or move around or do a high-intensity scan, there's no fucking way he can sense pulses that absurdly weak and small, let alone interpret them. I plan on introducing Sirun's electricity sensing capabilities very early on, during the Mandalorian War prologue stuff in fact. When he uses it here it's been a well established ability that he's had for a very long time, not a Deus Ex Machina asspull

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 No.34670

File: 491eeb66e9a38e0⋯.png (4.9 KB,692x293,692:293,Wiring.png)

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>>34668

My spidey sense was tingling so I split this post preemptively

Citadel station and Telos are an expensive project that the Republic can barely keep afloat, the TSF's force cages are cheap and inexpensive models that do their jobs and that's about it, they operate under long-delay pulses and simple circuitry designed so that a "Release" and "Execute" command are spaced so far apart and insulated from eachother that there is no mechanical way the hardware can fail and lead to an accidental death, they are very simple but also efficient machines that do their jobs very, very well. When Sirun and Co. get imprisoned, Sirun makes an active and dedicated attempt to watch and understand the Force cage's inputs and how they work. I also plan on having Sirun have limited abilities in Mechu Deru that he leeched off of Tau/Revan since Revan loves his droids during their time together, helping him understand the machines they're with.

Plus you're left in that cage for an undisclosed amount of time, and I doubt fake Batu Rem just waited for Grenn to take a step or two out of the room, that fucker probably waited until Grenn's Lawful Good musk got sucked out by the vents before going within a fucking mile of that room, remember, he's a skilled GenoHaradan assassin, he's not amateurish enough to make a move that could get him caught in any way.

This means that Sirun has ample time just chilling there also, Sirun wants to get the fuck out. Kreia won't shut up about the Sith chasing them down and he's honestly terrified that Sion'll pop out of the fucking vents if they spend another second in that room so he has had plenty of time to scan, understand, and learn how the already simple Force cages work. When Fake-u flips the Zap 'Em switch, Sirun telekinetically moves Atton's kill-wiring Green is release, Red is kill if it wasn't obvious to the crayon-munchers out there to splice with the release one through the insulation, so the pulse travelling down the kill-wire feeds into the release one, freeing Atton. Sirun tries doing the same to Kreia's, but due to the Force-bond Kreia reads Sirun's mind and can literally feel what he's doing, she tries to do the same to Sirun's cages wiring but due to a mixture of self preservation and Force Influence, she completes the swapping job on her cage since Sirun at this point isn't strong enough to multitask on such a precision job as changing wiring that could save or kill you with the Force, something he's only recently now able to feel in years so the wiring on Sirun's gets a little fucked with, causing the pulse to be less powerful leading to the shock less lethal the computer powers both the actual execution signal but also the shock itself, since it also allows you to torture someone with the shocks instead of just executing them this is one of the reasons that Sirun survives, but to be fair, he's honestly had worse during the Mandalorian Wars than an electric zap capable of vegifying a Herglic.

Fake-u Rem's shocked (haha) when Atton and Kreia get released, Kreia force-pushes him while Atton tackles him, and since Atton's a super duper hardcore Jedi hunter who can beat Sonic in a race he manages to wrestle one of Fake-u's two blasters away from him and educate him in what a point-blank heavy blaster discharge does to the human anatomy.

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 No.34671

File: 4fa86186f2b477e⋯.jpg (95.02 KB,548x1020,137:255,TSF.jpg)

>>34670

I hate splitting these posts. Always afraid I'll end up deleting a section and turn the rest into a retarded incoherent mess

Grenn then walks in all pissed like, but rather then telling the Exile to back away this time, he walks in on Sirun smoking like a Christmas ham inside the Force cage, the old lady with her missing hand waving the scarred stump around, Manipulating Fake-u's wrist with the Force so he couldn't blast Atton

Blah blah everything goes as planned

Ithorians call Sirun, he says okay I'll drop by for some of that good leaf kush. Czerka calls, he's immediately off put by Jana Lorso's insinuations that the Ithorians tried to intimidate him, despite them doing no such thing, but he still hesitantly agrees after Kreia and Atton bring up the fact that they need moneh dutch

You might think RDR2 references are shit but Holy fuck look at what Telos is, its Space Hawaii

After they get released, Sirun's in a decent mood to he swaggers over to Czerka, Jana pisses him off, walks out while Kreia bitches at him for weak shit like "morality" and, "not liking deceitful venomous snakes." He ignores her and says hi to the Ithorians since they're just down the block, when Chodo asks him to go protect their robot in an hour that's when the shuttle arrives he heads off to go get his shit back from the TSF. Along the way they run into the cantina scene where some faggoty mercs pick on some jowl-face, so after saying mean things that hurt Sirun's feelings Sirun responds to verbal violence with fist violence, when one of the fags goes for a gun a nearby TSF officer clubs him in the back of the head with his rifle and detains both of the mercs for disturbing the peace. This little scene's based on my playthrough where one of the random patrolling officers joined in and shot the fuck out of the mercs before shit talking them, it was great

Sirun and him talk for a bit since they're now headed the same way, with Sirun carrying the unconscious detainee while the other very much conscious merc has some banter with the officer, who Sirun learns is Sergeant Termes

The name is a reference to Sam Hyde's Officer Maggot character, with Termes meaning Maggot in latin sort of like how Telos' name is latin Sergeant Termes' a long time serving TSF agent and he was just patrolling around the entertainment module while waiting for his assignment to begin, which is to escort the Ithorian's new droid when it arrives. Termes is that one sole TSF officer that helps you fight the "masked attackers" that try to steal the droid, I took two encounters with TSF agents and combined them into one character

On the walk to the TSF base some banter between Termes and the sole woke merc reveals that the mercs, while on contract to Czerka, are actually supplied and paid mostly by the local Bumani Exchange, who in turn are paid by Czerka blah blah this little change from the mercs being sole Czerka boys is very important later, plus it increases the incestuous relationship Czerka and the Exchange already had on Citadel Station

While Termes is locking up the plebs Sirun gets his stuff back and gets informed that the Ebon Hawk got nabbed. While he's screeching at the droid for the TSF to get him a new ship before Sirun re-enacts the destruction of Telos, Termes comes back and helps calm him down with Lt. Grenn, even offering to buy him, Atton, and Kreia a drink at the cantina.

This leads to a cantina scene where Termes talks more about Citadel Station and Telos, it introduces Luxa and the forgettable Exchange guy, blah blah

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 No.34672

They get the Ithor droid blah blah Sirun helps out Luxa blah blah he stops the fighting to interrogate Slussk and Luxa, Slussk claims that the Exchange had nothing to do with the Ebon Hawk going missing, Sirun realizes Luxa lied to him, he turns on Luxa with Slussk's turret's help and then Slussk pinky promises not to bully the Ithorians anymore, a few TSF agents (not including Termes, since he got fucked up by the illegally modified blaster during the droid escorting) stop Sirun outside the Exchange's front door, asking what all the commotion is about and why he's covered in blood outside of a """reputable business""" Remember, the Exchange was literally allowed on Citadel Station and their mercs do help police sections of it, their headquarters nearly going up in flames is going to attract the TSF Sirun explains what happens, and since he's on good terms with the TSF at this point Helped apprehend two drunk violent mercs, stopped the theft of a droid, didn't paint their office red after they lost his property they let him go back to his business.

Blah blah Ithorian help, steals/frees B4-D4

Blah czerka pissed

Blah exchange, EXCHANGE, Mercs attack the ithorians.

Now this shit is important, Czerka was already on thin ice with Citadel Station's council for doing shady shit on Citadel Station and in Telos' restoration zones, so if they were to openly try to genocide the Ithorian herd the SENATE, the fucking Republic Senate-backed Ithorian Herd contracted to heal Telos, they'd be in deep shit. That's why the Exchange handling the mercs and making that distinction clear is so important, the Exchange is already one faulty spice job away from getting banned station-wide, they can take the hit. Especially after a certain somebody annihilated a massive part of their staff and guards, the Exchange was already starting to pack its bags Sirun stops the Exchange attack and heads off to Telos

Also I forgot to mention, but B4-D4 got his memory scanned by the TSF due to being a witness to the deaths of two Czerka guards at the hands of a violent utility droid, so they know what Sirun did in stealing him and what the Ithorians did in stealing Czerka property, thing is a certain Sergeant Termes was head of that investigation and said sergeant may have not disclosed certain parts of the case in his final report.

Sergeant Termes isn't just an exposition and explanation spewer, he's got some character. He's an officer who legitimately cares about doing what's right and upholding the law, but when it comes to picking between those two he leans with the former. Where Lieutenant Grenn is a good soul he's also a stern one who follows the letter of the law down to the very last pixel in the W. Termes understands that Czerka does fucked shit (and he especially knows it after looking at what B4-D4 saw and what the Ithorians leak) so omitting a few details for what he believes is the greater good is something he's more than capable of doing.

Afterall he could've arrested Sirun since he threw the first punch, until then it was just a verbal encounter between two drunks threatening another party but when Sirun and Co. stepped up it almost went lethal, and one might be willing to excuse the intoxicated merc that went for his gun after he saw what Sirun did to his buddy. But he didn't, and why? Because he has that personal code that prioritizes what he considers RIGHT above what the law considers LEGAL.

Good to know the TSF hasn't gone into shambles.

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 No.34674

File: a28ee2dc276a66b⋯.gif (696.65 KB,440x317,440:317,pissy asshole.gif)

>>34672

Telos surface surface, meet Bao-Dur I fucking hate Bao-Dur's arm by the way. It's stupid, and when I brought up B4-D4's memory scan I forgot to bring up the fact that B4-D4 saw Jana Lorso talking with the bounty hunters that are wanted and how they're on Telos' surface. My bad

Telos' surface is gay and I'm not changing much, only that the speeders aren't voice locked so things go by faster. Blah blah military base shits, they encounter the broken HK, blahblah Atris' academy

They're flying in on the NEW shuttle, HK-50 turns it into the BLEW shuttle cause it got blown the fuck up his buddies robo-jerk him off, Sirun wakes up pissed with Atton and Kreia since Bao-Dur doesn't do well in crashes they disassemble the robots, Bao-Dur's bleeding out because he seriously got fucked up so Atton and Sirun hurry him into the building in the middle of the snowstorm, they go in blah blah handmaidens take away fun toys blah blah Sirun and Atris argue while Bao-Dur gets treated and Atton gets mind raped, blah blah Atris gets pissy about losing another argument to Sirun after he starts demanding she gives him back his glowstick, since Bao-Dur's in a kolto tank recovering Remember how Brianna talks about how Bao-Dur is important to Atris since he did tons of positive work for Telos? Its the sole reason he's still alive Atton and Kreia get talked to, Kreia skips off to the ship while Atton follows Sirun like a lost puppy, they find T3 and he tells them that he's downloading Atris' archive, so they let him do that while they're also waiting for Bao-Dur's leg to twist the right way again. Sirun is still riled up from the Atris talk, he tries talking to a handmaiden but she's a cunt so he offers to slap a hoe, blah blah Echani dueling stuff, Sirun has trouble with the group fight until he leverages the Force and tosses one against a wall, and he tries to pull a Goku at the Cell Arena by winning on a ring-out, pushing 3 out of the 5 handmaidens out of the ring before putting his elbow through one's jaw and pummeling the other one and annihilating any prospect she may have of bearing children.

Brianna and him chat, she asks about the Force now that most of her sisters left them alone to go see if kolto can heal scoliosis while Sirun tries to see if the Force can make his face look less raccoon-y and his knuckles less bleed-y.

They talk about gay shit, Sirun vaguely remembers the Handmaiden on the Harbinger I mentioned her, she got her shit pushed in by Sion apparently that was the one sister who wasn't a cunt to Brianna and now she's dead as fuck and Atris is refusing to send any more of the Handmaidens on missions because she fears losing them. (That's why she sends the least important one on a mission)

Bao-Dur gets up from his special shark-pee nap and T3 gets done committing a cyber felony so they leave before Atris changes her mind about letting Sirun live. They go BACK to Citadel Station, blah blah Grenn's not all that pissy that they left since the Ithorians told him what happened AFTER Sirun left Because Chodo Habat is a cool guy Sirun has an audience with the local Republic admiral that showed up, and Carth (while the Republic investigation is actually done and they reached the same conclusion as before) interrogates Sirun. The interrogation starts out normal but eventually steers towards if he saw Revan, Sirun's confused about how this relates to the mining facility turning into even more asteroids, and then we're properly introduced to the shadowy figure chilling in the corner with a hood up. big change incoming

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 No.34675

>>34674

Dustil Onasi, who Carth referred to as his bodyguard when Sirun asked why some dude in his bathrobe was hiding in the corner, joins in with his father in interrogating Sirun, they both want to know if he's seen Revan where Revan went how Revan's doing blah Revan blah REVAN

Your talk with Carth in KOTOR 2 (which happens WAAAY later in the game) goes very similarly, its all about where Revan is blah blah where mask man, part of Carth wants to know where he is but ultimately just asks you to send a message, but here Carth very much wants to know where Revan went because everything is falling a fucking part and he's afraid that he's failing Revan when he promised to keep the homefront secure, and Dustil who's had a lot of feeling of betrayal throughout his life is sorta pissed that the man who helped save his life (from becoming a slave to the organization that ruined his life) just up and fucking left right when everything went bad, so both Onasis are over here grilling the Exile about something he has no fucking clue about.

Carth has accepted that the Exile may've destroyed Peragus justifiably, but Dustil over here is much less understanding.

This is the same guy who absolutely hated his father for being busy fighting a war when his home and mother got incinerated so badly that he joined the fucks that committed the act just to get back at his old man, and now he's across the table from some fucking traitor who FOLLOWED the man who destroyed his home and just a few days ago put his home that's getting rebuilt in jeopardy by blowing up an essential part of it and running off.

Dustil is pissed. And also, Dustil is a jedi.

KOTOR 2 was supposed to have Dustil in it, he was gonna be on Korriban in Ludo Kressh's tomb, a part of some Jedi group that went there to investigate some blah blah. He's crazy and you kill him, that's what happens

It's bullshit, he deserved better, I'm trying to give him better. Sirun vehemently convinces them that he's a dumbass who knows fuckall, and while Carth can understand that maybe the death of Peragus is understandable to a point, he demands that Sirun fix the problem he created and help scrub Citadel Station clean of all its murky bits that ail it.

Which is funny, since that's what Dustil came there to do. And he's not alone.

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 No.34679

File: e15cc2e73afe19c⋯.jpg (12.53 KB,180x248,45:62,Mical.jpg)

File: b42d91a0a763e86⋯.png (8 KB,381x793,381:793,Dustil Robes.png)

File: 8560725a91880f7⋯.png (8.16 KB,385x784,55:112,Sirun 4th set I think.png)

>>34675

I hate the Disciple, you should hate the Disciple. He's a gigantic gay nerd, and worst of all he's a gigantic ANNOYING gay nerd that for some Godawful reason replaces the Handmaiden.

Here's a couple reason why him replacing the handmaiden is retarded

<Handmaiden is actual important to the plot

>Arren Kae/Kreia/Traya's fucking daughter

>Has a strong connection to Atris and the Handmaidens, which is why Kreia uses her to get back to the Telos Academy

>Great waifu material

>Makes you unhittable if you're a big brain wisdom boy

>Turns the Ebon Hawk into a pleasure yacht with your sparring

>Qt albino that hides her name from you because Atris will beat her if she gets out the first syllable

Perfection

<Dicksuckle

>Vaguely related to the plot, saw you one time when he was a little kid and had a crush on you if you're a girl

>Is scared of fucking laigreks

>Nerd that reads books instead of having a batshit insane utility droid read the Holonet to you at night to fall asleep

>Doesn't spar with you

>Shitty bland no good very bad dialogue

>Might not even be in your party for most of the game if you choose to do Dantooine later like I do, NarShad-Onderon-Dantooine-Korriban

>Hides his name for some gay reason

Mical (his actual name) is a bland no good character who got most of his shit cut so I can't be too harsh on him. Obsidian's attempts at making alternative companions was neat and all, but ultimately imperfect because Lucasfilm cut off their dick a quarter of the way through development. The Disciple if evidence of this, as he's even more bare bones than Bao-Dur, who literally just disappears at the end because they couldn't waste dev time explaining that he died at the HK factory or during the crash because they were that fucking rushed.

Anyways though, just like in KOTOR 2 Mical is a Republic agent, only this time he actually does useful things like work with Dustil, a real jedi, the last Jedi around really as far as Carth knows. And they're both shit

Mical gets introduced after the Onasis give up the interrogation, sending Mical to escort him back to Citadel Station The interrogation happened on the Sojourn, Carth's hamhead, as a powerplay to flex on the Exile since Sirun himself doesn't have a bigass cruiser, just an ancient freighter (The power play was just forcing the Exile to do what they wanted, opposed to meeting him on the station which is a neutral setting) Mical is annoying as fuck at first but reminds Sirun of when they met. This is something I plan on having in the Mando Wars stuff, during Revan's Force sensitive recruitment attempts

Sirun helped the younglings at Dantooine work on their ability to "see the Force sing in others," which is the gayest way possible of explaining working on Sense abilities. Which I made Sirun good at before I even had a clue this happened! It was always meant to be this way, there is no such thing as coincidence or luck Sirun remembers this, and while he tries not to think back to his PAST so much nowadays Showing how he developed over his younger self which was obsessed with remembering the good ol days and eventually Mical manages to calm Sirun down enough to ask him the questions the Onasi did that he got mad and started yelling during.

Same answers ultimately though, Sirun legitimately has no clues what the fuck is going on with Revan so Mical says okay, tells him that him and Dustil will be down soon to assist in the whole "cleaning up the station" bit of the deal Sirun made with Carth to not end up heading out behind the space barn with a firing squad.

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 No.34680

>>34679

Blah blah Dustil notices that Sirun's got no Jedi robes he's been running around in one of those basic bitch combat suits you get from KOTOR and pleb robes up to this point Dustil acts like a cunt and gives him the vestments he whore at the Sith academy, that's where the 3rd image comes from. The second image is what Dustil's wearing, and if you look at it long enough, you'll notice that him and Mical have the exact same color palette.

I didn't take the colors from that picture of Mical, I got them from a higher quality render of his actual model, but I wanted them to be connected both in the story as buddies but also thematically, looking similar and all that. There's some irony in that Mical's dressed less like a Jedi than Dustil but actually follows the code much better, as you have to remember Dustil is a reformed Sith and one of the more Gray Jedi characters in this whole thing. He's pretty emotional and really relies on Mical being a personality foil for him to keep him in line. later when they split on separate missions you get to see just how important Mical is to Dustil not going apeshit

Mical is sort of giddy to be back in the presence of someone who was a proper Jedi, as neither of them really are no matter the fact that both of them have lightsabers and Sirun has an old blaster pistol. Blah blah its basically the Lt. Grenn missions where you find the Batono guy, eliminate Czerka's attempts at nurturing the remnants of the Exchange's black market, and slowly but surely through good works does the Exile prove to Dustil that he's not really a piece of shit. Dustil still is pissy about the predicament Sirun put Citadel Station in, but he at least believes Sirun when he says he'll try to fix it.

Through Slusk (I spelt it wrong the first few times, sorry) they realize that the Exchange has a huge bounty on Jedi, Dustil and Mical were vaguely aware of this but always in the presence of a metric fuckton of Republic fleet personnel, and while there are a bunch of HK-50s in the Republic military subverting shit left and right, none of their attempts to fuck with the Onasi fleet's gone anywhere so Dustil and Mical have been mostly safe from fuckery. While the Exile's had to deal with them around 3 fucking times so far

The HKs aren't about to call the hammer of a Republic hammerhead fleet down on them yet so while Sirun and the Onasi fleet's at Citadel station they leave him alone, despite him being in literal fucking orbit of their factory. After the Exchange's remnant is obliterated Slusk tried fleeing the station, gets apprehended by Sirun, Dustil, Mical, and a whole fucking army of TSF, the Exchange give one final stand in one of the restoration zones Czerka ""accidentally"" let them access for spice and other illegal good trafficking, but after a Republic force including the Jedi and actual Republic infantry wave their dicks at them the Exchange just gives up and leaves, leaving Czerka with its pants down. Secrets exposed, connections laid bare, it doesn't take much to uproot the shady corporation's entire efforts on Citadel Station. Sirun also looked into the fake Batu Rem shit while investigating the GenoHara-I mean, Exchange wanted bounty hunters and found out they were from Nar Shaddaa**

After some congratulations on helping take the yoke of niggotry and defilement off Citadel Station, from Carth, in the middle of the TSF's celebrations about not having to worry about Czerka or the Exchange doing fucked up things to their home anymore, Sirun gets a little message from T3 that he's got something to show him.

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 No.34681

>>34680

T3's decoded an australian pedophile's porn stash worth of bullshit from Atris' archives, and after reviewing it multiple times with his not-so-faulty droid brain he thinks that one of the Jedi from Sirun's trial is there.

Luckily for Sirun, he already planned on heading to Nar Shaddaa just to investigate the fake Batu Rem business, but right when he's tell his crew about this wild shit that's unfolding guess who waddles her way out of the cargo hold.

The last of the Handmaidens aint too thrilled that Atris got her shit stolen, but she's still got her mission to do and poor argumentative skills on her part allow Atton and Sirun to change the subject and outshout her, exiling her to the cargo hold that she crawled out of.

Sirun goes to inform Carth, since he feels a little obligated to since he y'know fucked over the guys' home in a way, that he's got to go to Nar Shaddaa to deal with some business. Carth's not too happy to say this but, right before Sirun leaves Citadel Station he tells him in private that there's an extremely powerful being on Nar Shaddaa that could help him figure out both mysteries at once.

Vogga Besadii Dazion, head of the hutt Besadii kajidic after his father Novaba Besadii Dazion of Sleheyron mysteriously died and the immense wealth of Vogga's uncle Bochaba Besadii Tiure was passed onto the ambitious fat snail that lost his shell, and that Vogga could help Sirun deal with both his Jedi problem and cleanse him of his sins to Telos.

bleh Jesus, had to cut this one into 3 posts

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 No.34682

File: d979d89f8a2e156⋯.jpg (24.39 KB,296x278,148:139,Citael Station spess.jpg)

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>>34681

It's getting late anons and I have an announcement to make. I'll be gone for about 9 or so days starting tomorrow, I'm working away from home and won't be able to add much if anything to this thread because I'm afraid turning into a phoneposter will also have the unfortunate side effect of making me lust after cock

I've been trying to drop a lot of posts for you guys because you really do deserve it, and while I tried skim over things in an effort to save time a lot of my ideas can sound pretty fucking terrible when summarized, so I try to give as much depth and detail into explaining why I'm not that big of a fucking retard as I can. I haven't even packed and should probably do that.

Thanks for reading anons, I hope you guys enjoyed this. I promise that when I get back I'll post more, but this hiatus isn't because I got burned out or was afraid I wouldn't have enough things to post or anything like the other ones, I legitimately won't be able to.

Thanks again anons, I really do enjoy writing all this stuff. I plan on doing more actual writings like that one time I dropped the prologue-prologue, but I have to admit that writing that burned me the fuck out. Instead of actually writing naturally I kept trying to add extra bullshit and autism to clean up my writing in a way that really annihilates my passion. I don't think I'm cut out to write like a Luceno or Stover or Karpyshyn well I hope not like Karpyshyn, the more I look at his work the more suicidal I get all fancy like with prim and proper sentence structure and all the other horseshit that burns me out.

When I write in the future it is very like to be similar to reading one of these posts, only with dialogue and a narrative and (probably) a quarter of the rambling, unless the rambling is important and in that case its staying.

Thanks again and goodnight /sw/.

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 No.34683

File: abba4974e42e5bf⋯.png (34.61 KB,700x700,1:1,actually.png)

>>34668

>reia has you sense the electrical presence of the droids, something we never see in the Star Wars universe

Ben Solo can do this too, it's mentioned in the Legacy of the Force series. I can understand why you missed it, as large chunks of LotF are unreadable.

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 No.34722

Holy moly roly poly trolly frijoles, so many of the postings. I reread the other thread again as well, and there's a lot of stuff to cover, so I'll post about what I think of the most recent material first and then some more general thoughts.

>>34591

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

You should read the literature about this if you need something to base your ideas for the Zabraks' history on.

I realized that there might have been some confusion with the Basilisks partaking in boarding operations against Republic ships. I was thinking of the Star Viper-esque version instead of the horses with shooty faces. I guess either way can work given that these are the Mandalorians we're talking about. The StarViper probably has more mounts for hull breaching equipment though. I was also looking at refitting existing ships with disruptors and mass drivers instead of creating new ships, because the Mandos lack the cash to splurge on many different ship hulls. Your big ships have to stay in the fight as long as possible, meaning they shouldn't have nonstandard weapons. Missiles also help make up for poor firing arcs on some ships like the Kyramud.

Mass drivers arguably have the most use as supplemental weapons on missile-heavy ships like the Jehav to boost their power while lessening the resource burden of building lots of missiles. Missiles themselves are the most useful as supplemental weapons in settings where strong point defenses exist. These considerations only leave the Nynir as a potential base for a dedicated ballistics cruiser, especially since almost nothing has been specified for it yet. The only thing the Nynir has that makes it distinctive right now is that it's slower and better-armored than its Republic counterpart, which makes it the best candidate for ballistics. The heightened shielding afforded by not having to power mass drivers from the core will let it destroy any comparable Republic ship. The Mandos don't have any point defense ships right now either. Disruptors by contrast consume so much power that only big ships can mount them. I have to say these threads have helped my knowledge of naval tactics, but I still have a preference for ground battles.

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 No.34723

Here's my opinion of your overall writing plan. I don't think any alternative takes on either of the main games are needed except maybe as a flashback or supplemental material if you decide to rewrite TOR. My thought is just to focus on the Mandalorian Wars and possibly separatist-TOR. You've been saying that you don't have the time to write this all into a book and would rather do a series of short stories. This is understandable given the gargantuan task of writing several hundred pages, but releasing all of it at once as a novel will probably gain more interest. There are ways of making this happen without having to do it all yourself. You could get other posters to write some of the chapters to take some of the workload off. You also have the knack for writing both /tg/ guidebook-style fluff as well as in novel format. So why not adopt a format that lets you combine both types of writing into a novel?

Use literary devices that allow fluff to partially stand in for traditional text and form part of a coherent narrative instead of just being flavoring, like a framing story set later on featuring historians poring over sometimes conflicting records of the war trying to get the truth or just push their agenda, or filmmakers in the process of making a documentary. Everything from footage of battles to journal entries and after-battle reports to interviews with the participants to news coverage and opinion pieces in galactic news media to arguments on HoloNet boards and space Discords of varying levels of controlled discussion and more is admissible. Those who aren't the best at traditional novel writing can contribute this way. You can include the various ship specs and battle maps as appendices written by those historians or as visual aids for some sections. The material you have so far will still need editing, but less so than if you attempted to transfer it into ordinary novel form.

This was used for the X-Wing and TIE Fighter strategy guides' continuations of The Farlander Papers and The Stele Chronicles, albeit without the media-related bits because it didn't fit the scenario. This is also somewhat similar to sourcebooks like The Jedi Path, but those didn't have any new content or attempt to tell a story, instead acting as mere aggregators. Approaching Revan this way allows the preservation of his larger-than-life persona at the same time as it gives us a more personal look at him and his allies. The audience can treat elements that conflict with their playthroughs or ideas as unreliable narration. You can incorporate the version of psychometry you thought up into this too. I like seeing the more supportive powers like that at work. It also offers the otherwise mostly unavailable opportunity to connect this era to the future eras. It also brings the ongoing fuckery of Disney to mind in a meta sense due to the historical revisionism aspect.

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 No.34732

File: a80e93ea53c6021⋯.jpg (61.62 KB,707x1024,707:1024,I've seen some shit.jpg)

>>34682

Safe travels Trooper.

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 No.34769

>>34682

And he's gone again. Gone with the wind… The mysterious and detailed writer who we shall never know.

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 No.34876

>>34769

At least we know he'll be back.

Though some means of contacting him would be fucking swell.

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 No.35057

OP/Recanon whatever you want to call me phone posting from a quality inn.

I'm sorry I'm not home yet, my last day went from Sunday to Wednesday to Friday and hopefully its gonna stay that way, but since one of us is injured I cant promise anything

Sorry for the long wait, if everything goes well my next post will be late Friday, I'll attach an email since somebody asked about it. Thanks guys

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 No.35073

File: 029ea8689697496⋯.jpg (315.81 KB,1300x678,650:339,True Covenan.jpg)

Was about to go to bed but since I said I'd be posting tonight, I'll drop a post or two.

Something I felt that was odd in KOTOR 2 was that the Exile was constantly being referred to as "the last Jedi" or the last of the Jedi, despite the fact that a fuckton of Jedi had not only dodged a genocidal bullet like not showing up to Katarr like school students hearing about shooting threats, such as Kavar, Vrook, Zez, Atris, certain plebs like Dustil and Mical made it out Dustil having his father Carth and subsequently a Republic fleet inadvertently guarding him probably helped, and Mical was just some fucking failed Jedi initiate that got his world literally turned upside down when Dantooine got razed its obvious that you aren't exactly the LAST Jedi per say, even though if you think about it in a certain light you more or less are.

The last Jedi as in, the last public Jedi that's actively trying to improve the Galaxy and uphold the vows they took of not being a cowardly faggot and running away from edgy Hot Topic bloodshine-blade wielding goth niggas at the drop of a spiky fedora, you really are the last Jedi because you're the last person acting remotely LIKE a Jedi.

In the KOTOR comic, the one with ya boy Zayne Carrick and hot space elf, at the end our protagonist's blind blonde ex-master who's child-chopping capabilities are an inspiration to Chosen Ones everywhere Lucien Draay rolls up on a group of farming space wizards living a humble existence on some shitty backwater NOT-dantooine farm world called Draay 2. Its actually a moon technically

These guys are the True Covenant, essentially an attempted revival of the not-shitty elements of the first Jedi Covenant the one that's now in ruins that was created by the late Krynda Draay as an attempt to use the Order's most powerful Jedi seers to detect the Sith before the Sith become a problem.

Lucien himself claims that the True Covenant is an amalgamation of his mother's ideas with his father's beliefs, or something along those lines, problem with that is I'm honestly not sure Lucien was really old enough to absorb his father's beliefs before he went the way of the Unabomber building, but it seems to me that the True Covenant is essentially a grass-roots and humbler version of the former Jedi Covenant, problem is we have no fucking info on them since no fucking info on them exists.

They apparently had the resources to construct a giant retarded temple to protect Haazen's jerking off glove, a gauntlet constructed by Ludo fucking Kressh himself to keep his lil' boy Elcho Kressh safe from space crabs or something, but since that idea is gay and retarded since, if you couldn't tell by the plain robes and farm-shit, a giant eccentric bullshit death trap temple with statues and three story carvings of Lucien Draay isn't exactly their fucking style FUCKING MORON WRITERS GOD DAMNIT WHY DID ANYBODY THINK THAT MADE SENSE FUCK

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 No.35074

File: 4fddea5a545269c⋯.jpg (261.96 KB,660x880,3:4,Krynda.jpg)

>>35073

I'm getting more rambly the sleepier I get, so bear with me as I LARP as a gay space opera history teacher

The Jedi Covenant was a faction within the Jedi Order itself formed by the legendary Jedi Consular and Seer Krynda Draay.

Horrified by the loss of just about everybody she gave a shit about during Exar Kun's Great Sith War, Krynda decided that the best solution to never dealing with the Sith's bullshit again was to take that dark sider cult wherever it may be born and stab it while its still a weird black-robed infant, using her farsight abilities and awe-inspiring connection to the Unifying Force to see visions and prophecies related to Sith shit.

However, Krynda realized that she may or may not be immortal and that when she died, her efforts to stop the Sith from popping back up would die with her. Jokes on her, according to Drew Karpyshyn everything she ever did was in vain because Vitiate's been giving her and the entire fucking covenant an invisible evil middle finger, so eat shit Krynda

So she scrounged together all the little Jedi boys and girls that could have a chance at excelling in the field of, well, looking fate itself up the ass and determining how to NOT fuck the entire Galaxy over, and shoved them in her windowless air speeder and shuttled them to her late husband's giant pimp crib on Coruscant where she trained the little plebs to interpret their acid trip dreams as not side-effects of drinking too much Juma juice, but instead that the rainbow hawk-bat playing hot potato with a blue beetle with red eyes and an impeccable eye for art was in fact an allegory for how space Hitler was gonna shove the Jedi into his own personal Jekk'Jekk Tar chamber and laugh at them from the Dark Side while he did it.

This was the Jedi Covenant, and in that second picture we have the FIRST Watch Circle. Watch Circles were essentially teams of Jedi tasked with, well, watching over a bit of space and having fever dreams about getting jobbed by some nigga in a red suit. The premier watch circle, the First one, was made up of both the Covenant and entire Jedi fucking ORDER's greatest big-brain seers, ones so skilled and capable they not only were capable of rooting out a milligram of Dark Side energy in their Padawan's grey matter, but some say they might even know what they

re gonna have for dinner the next day.

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 No.35075

>>35074

Last line got fucked up for some reason. Probably technical retard issues on my part, sorry guys

So the First Watch Circle was made up of a blind hoe, Cthulhu, a NOT-Nautolan, Shaak Ti on ketamine, and Lucien Draay. Lucien's job here was probably to work as a guardian/protector of the Seers, as they're dumb retards with everybody but the big blue guy and coked up Ahsoka being more or less shit with a lightsaber and Lucien afterall wasn't exactly all that good at looking into the future stuff, something his mom more or less constantly shit on him for all his life like a gigantic cunt, but hey that's what happens when you have a psychotic gypsy who spends all her time either staring into a crystal ball looking for your Dad's murderers or hitting you over the head with a ouija board for not being able to see Grandma and Grandpa floating around in the corner.

Anyways, the entire point of bringing up the Jedi Covenant was to establish a few things about them that changed with the creation of the True Covenant. Things I will not go into too much detail right now, as I am currently doing my best not to fall asleep while typing this

In the morning I'll write more about,

>True Covenant's beliefs

>True Covenant VS Jedi Covenant comparison

>True Covenant actions

>Why the fuck I'm even bringing them up

Thank you guys for sticking with me, and I'm sorry my work trip took longer than expected. As promised here's that email I talked about

helpinghelper77@gmail.com

Not sure what you guys want to send me, but somebody asked for it so here you go

Thank you anons, good night

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 No.35076

>>35075

For some reason I can't post a picture of the First Watch Circle. In the morning when I'm less retarded I'll change a pixel or something and post the same file

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 No.35080

>>35073

>>35074

>>35075

>FUCKING MORON WRITERS

This is among the many things I was going to ask about. You should make sort of a non-spoiler brief guide to what's getting changed from the comics and why for those of us who haven't read them. I'm sure there were many terrible decisions made there going by what I've heard about the terrible decisions made for the novels. You'll always piss somebody off trying to translate something to another format. But it seems that they pissed off more people than usual here. Another thing is that we still have to see how the Eshan side of Albino Hook goes in more detail. Hopefully it turns out as badass as the Nouane part did so the Mandalorians know the absolute wreckage that happened to them on Nouane wasn't an isolated occurrence.

I have lots of other stuff that I've been thinking about here and I want to get everything I've thought about so far out of the way since I've got some big work projects coming up soon, so I may not get to post for weeks at a time for a couple months once they start. A lot of it depends on what you think of my ideas from >>34722 and >>34723. I won't just abandon the thread or the board entirely, but I probably won't get to participate as much for a while. This doesn't happen for about another month, though. I won't post the rest of it tonight because it's late and I'm going to bed soon, and it'll take the better part of a planetful of posts to describe it all. All the stuff from this post deals with already established material, so I don't have to strain too much on low sleep, but the rest of it is about things that have yet to be written.

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 No.35088

>>35080

Thanks for sticking around anon, I enjoy your posts. I like the idea of Mandalorians incorporating older technologies in their ships and including mass drivers and other more ballistic weapons in their arsenal, it helps them stand out more and fits well with the motif already established in the KOTOR comic where they use a fuckton of missiles to assrape Republic vessels.

Regarding the writing thing let me try to explain it one more time, since I've done a shit job so far

They're going to be separated into what I expect to be novellas, i.e. essentially novels but smaller, as they revolve around a specific event or set of events happening in the overall story, together they tell the overall story of Revan, Malak, and the Exile in the Mandalorian Wars, but not necessarily back-to-back. Think of them as Episodes opposed to parts.

I was inspired to do this during the Onderon part of KOTOR 2, where I was already thinking about how I'd split things up before I realized that there were tons of plot threads just left untied at the end of it and I feel that if I wanted to incorporate a few or any, if I'm being honest then I'd have to find a way to tie them together into a nice, comfy, cohesive story.

For example,

>Gormo the freighter captain needs a visa to get him and his crew off planet

>That one widow who's trying to save her family from Vaklu's agents

You ultimately only have the ability to help two people, but in this instance I think that its a bit of an oversight on the writer's part to not have a clause in your agreement with Gormo or something to transport the family off planet as passengers.

Also Gormo does something else remotely important but I won't spoil it

Then there's things like,

>beast rider pimping out Onderonian fauna to Telos merchants

>Beasts go wild

>If you beast confusion them nothing happens, you're forced to kill them to continue the encounter

That's stupid. My immediate reaction when dealing with animals in KOTOR 2 post-beat trick was to use the Force to influence them, and its a shame that the game devs never accounted for this option.

But there's also,

>beast rider dickheads in the cantina you kill to get Dhagon's shit back

Honestly not sure if there's a way to NOT job them, but my idea was that the Exile helps out the beast rider who's profits literally go wild by Force-taming the creatures subtly of course and that said beast rider has some sort of affiliation with the gang of them you meet, leading to them having a few moments in the subsequent story.

Little moments like that may not seem like much but to someone like me who likes smooth and seamless narratives opposed to ones that fucking fray at the edges, tying things together helps me sleep at night.

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 No.35089

>>35088 (chek'd)

But at the end of the day I don't really want to rewrite the comics that much, I'd rather let them breath and exist because my job isn't necessarily to retcon everything I disliked but instead to shove that square peg into an appropriately sized round hole and just pray that I did enough work to make it fit somewhat, afterall that's what Legends was built on and I think that keeping that spirit alive is more important than having things my way 100%.

That being said though, I will very happily cut and add things whenever I feel like it if it either makes me happy or adds to the overall narrative, which usually makes me happy so it all works out in the end.

Regarding doing a sort of Essential Guide-esque thing where I lay out events and ideas and summarize them, I like that idea. I think that is a great idea, but if I'm being honest I sort of already did a lot of that and just never showed it because I thought it was dumb and boring, I do it because I enjoy it I have specs on the DLA-7's length, weight, and power capabilities for each of the 3 models of it but I quit doing it quite as much because it really started to detract from me actually working on the story, since I was too busy measuring the angle on a 92.5 degree armor plating on the Centurion-class.

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 No.35110

>>35089

>comic changes

The goal of just about any project that covers previously covered material is to change things more to your liking, but if you get to changing things just for the sake of changing things, you get Greedo shooting first.

>Essential Guide

This is less of an Essential Guide than a dissident history of the Mandalorian Wars, although it still has some things in common with an Essential Guide like ship specs and battle maps but also has sections of prose. The audience could even read it alongside the official version of the comics and consider both to be canon on some level, just telling different versions of history. We all loved the narrative you wrote for the Nouane stuff, and we'd rather not lose that entirely.

>I quit doing it quite as much because it really started to detract from me actually working on the story

It really depends how many people you could get onboard to serve as writers. Effectively focusing on the story becomes easier if you have more people helping. I should talk about some of the ideas I have that may not be usable without the documentary approach, or that may not go over as well. We can compare the ideas stemming from that with what could be done with a conventional approach and evaluate whether it's worth the effort. Not to rain on your parade with the Covenant or Eshan stuff. Text block incoming.

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 No.35113

>Characterizations

This is really the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. I had to take a while to think about this, and I don't know that it did any good, but here goes. Sirun will probably end up being the major viewpoint character. From what you're saying about Kavar, it sounds like the loss of his father figure would drive Sirun to find something else to be a part of since the Jedi are doing a poor job of acting as a surrogate family. Maybe him joining the war is just as much about that as it is about fighting the Mandalorians. Becoming part of the Revanchists offers him not only purpose and a place to belong but somebody to look up to who shares his negative opinion of the Jedi, albeit somebody who's not old enough to be a proper father figure and therefore serves as more of an older brother. Given the Jedi's policy of no contact with family, this is probably none too rare among them.

We should see the difference between Tau's tactics and Sirun's as part of their differing characterizations too. I don't know how much stuff you have planned for Tau character-wise, but in terms of his battle strategies and tactics he should be pretty much Light Yagami in space, especially given his Machiavellian manipulation skills which he would both be a natural at and have developed under the tutelage of the best manipulation expert in this time period. I said earlier that Revan would use troll tactics a lot and that Thrawn could take inspiration after having read history books about him, and with the documentary approach it could even be this book specifically, but I guess that depends on how you define trolling. Thrawn, Light Yagami and other chessmaster characters tend to use psychological tactics, but Nouane was trolly as fuck too. Sirun can take some of Tau's tactics for himself, but he still has his own way of doing things which is more about being resourceful and making use of the environment than appealing to some psychological weakness of the enemy.

What we really have to address here is the fundamental question of why people go to war, which invites questioning of the entire setting much like Avellone. His deconstructionist style served well for a story about rebuilding after the war, since you can't rebuild something unless you know how it works. Unfortunately, this is why the prequel hate was so far out of proportion to their actual flaws. Normalfags never really cared about understanding why any of these events happen as they do. They want to watch shit blow up and not have to think too hard about it. Any normalfag who's finally caught onto how bad the sequels are doesn't understand that they're part of the reason the sequels are bad. I want to have a moment fairly late in the story with some Sirun dialogue that makes sense within the story but also basically calls normalfag moviegoers out for being worthless fucking retards. He isn't wrong about the past being better, though. Just look how the future turned out. The past had the old Battlefront, while the future has given us EA's abomination.

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 No.35115

>Side plots

This part is just a grab bag of ideas meant to flesh out the story more, which can be taken or left. You no doubt have things planned at a basic level for the side characters already, so you should have some more material to speed up the process and maybe feed back into the main story. First up is the economic situation of the Republic. G0-T0 tells us during his in-game dialogue that the Republic is a month away from collapse. You can attribute some of this to Malak destroying the Republic's infrastructure after he took over, since unlike Tau or Sirun the only tactic he knows is MALAK SMASH, but the Cressa administration's mismanagement and that of the previous several administrations probably had something to do with it too. The Republic's economy has never been detailed. You now have the opportunity to correct this.

We should ask how long a chancellor's term in the Republic is versus how long the war lasts. There are also senatorial terms as well as term limits to consider. What I'm getting at here is that Tol Cressa and many of those who support his policies may have to run for re-election while the war is going on if this isn't his last term. He'll still have the desire to make things easier for his successor even if it is his last term. I imagine the electoral system in use here would have some differences from how elections are done in real countries today. Maybe the elections have multiple sets of voting machines to attempt to reduce election fraud, or they base the elections on protocol droids instead of today's voting machines. Maybe they'd have implemented proportional representation in their voting, so tactical voting no longer happens since everybody can always put their preferred candidate first. Many have also had the desire to get rid of the Electoral College, but it would no longer be a Republic at that point since a republic is representative democracy and this would now be direct democracy. Whatever happens, an election could have major effects on the war even if any potential chancellor would be the same greedy, warmongering bastard.

This could impact the Eres III campaign in particular. The way you have it set up right now makes it seem like that defeat was because Sirun just plain fucked up. Maybe he made mistakes and maybe he didn't, but I think the best way to approach this without diminishing his character is to use the Republic's political maneuvering against him. Have some absolute dumbshit of an admiral appointed to command the fleet he's with for political reasons which may or may not be related to the election, an admiral so retarded he pulls everybody around him down to defeat in spite of their best efforts. This would allow the Revanchists to lose some battles without undermining the trust they've built up from the Republic troops, because this way the loss isn't the Jedi's fault, or at least not entirely his fault. That would make the troops distrust the Republic and be more likely to go along with turning around and conquering it. But this could bog the story down in politics, so it really should be used with care.

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 No.35116

>Side plots cont.

If you use the documentary style, you could also make Meetra Surik canon again as a historical inconsistency, or even actually having her be a character who gets variously conflated with the real main protagonists. She could be the stand-in for the Revanchists' top leaders when an assassination attempt against them is suspected, even putting on the mask herself, and generally be the sneaky kunoichi who does this sort of thing the rest of the time. Her role in the war effort, though significant, would be overblown by feminist historical revisionists in academia to the point of literally replacing an important male leader. Maybe she writes the real account of the war years later, thereby succeeding Kreia and Atris as a Jedi historian, and the framing story is either about her or about some historian even further along rediscovering her suppressed writings and fighting to get them heard by the public.

This would mean that she'd be picking a different choice out of the 3 that Kreia offers after the player beats her, being a teacher rather than going on to fight the True Sith. The main purpose of including her would be to highlight how rare fighting women like her actually are. Even when you disregard the differences in strength between men and women, the fact remains that women get everything handed to them just for being women, and therefore tend not to develop the perseverance of a true soldier or anything else that requires skill and dedication. And if that sounds misogynist, I don't really care because it's the fucking truth. And the really shitty women even try to downplay male accomplishments and sacrifices on top of that.

Or you could go really out there and have multiple versions of history be canon because somebody from the future was fucking around with time in an attempt to actually revise this very important era's history instead of just revising the history books, but most people from the Separatist Canon general seem to want to put a moratorium on any Marty McFly antics. You could also have it be just some /fringe/-tier theory talked about on some conspiracy board on the HoloNet, perhaps to make the real grievances with the Cressa administration and the Republic in general which are also talked about on this board seem loony, but you could leave enough room for the reader to decide the theory is true if they want.

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 No.35117

>Late story/ending/True Sith

We haven't gotten this far yet, but we still have some things to discuss before getting there. Many people were upset by TOR's rendering of the True Sith Empire because it lacked originality, being just another empire copied nearly verbatim from Palpy instead of the almost purely spiritual edifice Kreia described. If they were going to copy from Sheev, they should have at least used the vision he describes in the Dark Empire liner notes about his titular Dark Empire, a magocracy ruled by the Dark Side without the need for conventional weapons or ships. Kreia said the Ebon Hawk was left behind in known space because it wasn't needed to fight the True Sith, and also that the threat from them was such that Jedi and Sith would have to ally to defeat them. This ended up happening on some level with Abeloth, but Abeloth was sort of a Cthulhu-like creature and not an empire or even a small group. A group like that would represent a threat comparable to the ancient empires like the Rakata or the even scarier enemies that have what it takes to give an empire like the Rakata pause.

Vitiate's empire doesn't convey that level of threat. It just comes off as an offbrand ramshackle operation that makes Sheev look worse because he apparently just copied off of Vitiate instead of doing his own thing. Not that Sheev was ever perfect because his love of costly superweapons proved to be his empire's undoing, but he shouldn't just be a LARPer, and that's what TOR's version of Vitiate makes him. The True Sith shouldn't follow the Dark Empire concept to the letter either because that would just mean Sheev was copying off of that instead, but it should still be something more eerie and surreal than a government, maybe something that some dark side cult hundreds or thousands of years later could use as a basis for its doctrine.

The only thing even close to that is probably the Dromund Kaas levels of Mysteries of the Sith. I was very disappointed when I heard about TOR's version of Dromund Kaas because they made it just another megacity with nothing that would lead a player who'd never heard of it before to believe it would become what it is in MotS. The Dromund Kaas levels also had something that when scaled up could make the idea of the Ebon Hawk not being needed plausible. That would be its dark side field which disables all your normal weapons. I'm surprised the ships worked well enough to get Mara and Kyle off the planet in the end. Whatever form this threat takes, it has to have enough impact on whatever portion of the Revanchists' leadership knows about it that they decide the only way to combat this threat is to take over the Republic themselves and put it on a total war footing. You could use some weird dark side beliefs like the Way of the Dark as a model for their belief system, and it should have a similar effect on whoever hears about it because Kreia said the Sith is a belief at its core.

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 No.35120

>Miscellaneous

Minor note about the ballistics cruiser concept: Particle shielding is said to require much lower fuel consumption than ray shielding for the same effect, but that may not apply in this era. It's debatable whether it applies in any era considering the Death Star apparently had many railguns on it. Another minor note: The Jedi Path and the other books in its series have notes made in the margins by various characters who read the book, and you could use that with the documentary style too.

I don't know how much of this works with what you already have planned, but I doubt that I'll have many more ideas because this goes clear to the end of the story and I wanted to get everything on the table because I may not have many more opportunities to contribute before it's done. Then again I never thought I'd have even this much.

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 No.35123

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>>35120

>>35117

>>35116

>>35115

>>35110

>>35113

Thank you based revanchistanon for the big boy bump and for the dissertation length postings. Here're my ideas

>Characterizations

You nailed my ideas for Revan with the Light reference, and while a large amount of his POV will be him actively fighting the Mandalorians alongside actual Republic units there's going to be a pretty big portion of his exploits will be forging alliances with other organizations The Tionese, hutts, Echani, Zabrak and drawing them into the Republic's ranks. The Mandalorians do threaten these groups on their own and it does make logical sense for them to band together to steamroll the armored assholes, but Revan ends up mostly using them as cannon fodder to keep actual Republic casualties low, this ties into a lot of his actions in general

Revan's a big-picture big-brain 5d dejarik nigga who's ultimate goal is to keep the Galaxy safe from destroying itself, from his decades serving as a Jedi knight and seeing said Galaxy, he's come to the conclusion that the Republic with its vast military might, colossal economy, and supposed lack of corruption in his upper echelons would be the greatest vessel for his said plan of protecting the Galaxy, so his ultimate reason for going off and fighting the Mandalorians is to protect the Republic and his ultimate reason for recruiting from foreign groups is to use them as a buffer between the thing he actually cares about while bolstering his own forces so he can succeed in that first goal of keeping the Republic safe.

Revan's core character actually never changes, pure pragmatism and fedora-tippingly logical, and his big objective of keeping the Galaxy safe never changes either.

His story is more of him coming to grips with the fact that the Republic isn't what he thought it was, and him correcting that mistake and the Republic either by tempering it in blood or replacing it all together with a less shit regime.

Alek/Malak's motives are vaguely similar, he's thankful for the Republic because had they not incorporated his planet he wouldn't have become a Jedi and had he not become a Jedi he wouldn't have the life he currently has, one that he absolutely loves living and in general his motivations are a bit more simple than Revan's, plus he has the same reaction to galactic genocide that normal not-emotionally desensitized celibate monks have.

Sirun's motivations are a lot more different than Tau's, but they do have some similarities

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 No.35124

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>>35123

>>35113

Sirun's motivations for joining the Mandalorian wars are numerous but a few stand out,

>Daily Alderaans

I've already established that Sirun has slightly advanced Sense abilities but an absolutely stunning connection to the Living Force, so imagine what it's like kicking back and, I don't know, watching a Jedi-approved holoporno where the POV actor doesn't breath because he's a piston gonk droid and the female actress is in fact a shapely toaster, neither emoting or even giving off a mechanical whine as their servos loop an endless program as Wall-E's skinny lanklet vulgar cousin gives a speech about fucking machines in the background right before Master Vrook Lamar Qui-Gon's your door and lops your shoto-saber in half because the droids were too happy having completed the single task programmed into their behavior core, and all of a sudden you feel in the back of your mind six gorillion Toydarians cry out in pain as they strike the oncoming horde of green-skinned helmeted fucks in their beskar kneecaps, doing nothing but triggering a grin behind the Taung's blaster-proof faceplate as his vibrosword bats another metal dish-hat out of the air.

Now imagine that every time you go to the fresher to take a shit, every time you lay down at night to think about another scorching comeback for that ice cold Atris whore to gag on as she tries to spit another redundant Jedi platitude at you from her stupid frothing albino lips, and BOOM! More headaches, more pain.

Day in and day out, so not only are you being a bit of a whiny faggot since daddy dearest doesn't have time to play space catch with his boy no more, as you cling onto your artery-blocking levels of sugarcoated nostalgia reminiscing on the good ol' days back when pops and you were cutting up Flesh Raiders on Tython a month ago and you nearly got your throat ripped out by an exceptionally hungry and assholic Manka cat, then BOOM! Your head once again for the second time this lunch-break just got a durasteel sledge cracked across it by a pissed off Besalisk that thinks you stole the grease out of his frying pan to throw at that albino bitch. Which you didn't, but you should write it down its a great idea

then BAM! MORE FUCKING PAIN

And its not just the pain, but the fucking screams too. And unending cascade of shrill shrieks that came clawing from the shredded throats of countless men, women, and children spanning from Ord Mantell to the Corellian Run, each unique cry hitting a new high, each one-of-a-kind squeal birthed from the dying gasps of a dead man, one final desperate try to claw the darkness away and to anchor their soul to this world, one last act in a Galaxy that won't remember them.

And there's hundreds, thousands, MILLIONS

And he feels every single fucking one of them, and they won't fucking shut up

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 No.35125

>>35124

I admit that I did hyperbolize a bit there, Sirun probably only feels pings when he's awake, a defense mechanism made to shield his mind from the agonized currents of the Living Force, it takes some real dedication and effort from the Mandalorians to make him feel what he does halfway across the fucking Galaxy.

When he's asleep though, those conscious walls fall under the Jericho trumpet of horror that literally comes screaming from the Crusader's endless march, and on top of all his other problems this one does nothing but exhaust and fuck with his already fragile mind

There's another element too though, and its directly linked to Kavar. When Sirun already makes the choice to

Spoilers incoming

join the Revanchists with Tau, Alek, and y'boy Talvon Esan, the first Jedi world they visit to garner more support is H'ratth, a world with a tiny Jedi temple on it maintained by Master Chamma, a badass Devaronian with his own story to tell, but the important think about H'ratth is that its got a special little spot on it that triggers prophetic visions in those that meditate at it. Chamma uses it to increase his already impressive understanding of the Force as he strolls towards enlightenment, and while he ultimately refuses to join the Revanchists, he does allow Tau and a few others to visit the spot for some vision gibs. Tau's vision is neat, he sees a blade cut through a dozen armored plates yet come out the same, Alek sees a man follow another through a trap-laden path that ends up with the first man coming out unharmed, unbent, and mostly the same, but the other man lies in a pool of his own blood. He doesn't mind too much though, since prophecies are bullshit and he's just thankful that he had a good enough sleep to achieve Rem.

Sirun's though is different. Pain. Just pain. Pain in the form of waves slamming against his eardrums, threatening to pulverize them, pain as his mind is torn in half, pain as his chest is crushed under some immense weight, pain as every limb he has is crunched, not severed, but crushed to a bloody pulp. Pain as his eyelids are vaporized, scorching his actual eyes with invisible fire as he looks on to see a tidal wave of bodies being crushed, their mouths opened in an endless but disjointed scream, each malformed echo ricocheting through his skull and pulsing through his entire body

That's Sirun's vision. You can probably figure out what its referencing

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 No.35130

>>35123

You said some of the stuff about Tau before, but having it put in contrast to Sirun and Malak is nice. It goes toward the end of deconstructing people's reasons for going to war. I wondered specifically how Tau would change through the course of the story because his motivation seems to be the farthest outside of himself personally. Most soldiers have arguably lacked understanding of the underlying political reasons for why they fight. It may be that Revan and Light Yagami have more in common besides their combat tactics. Light was depicted as an idealistic high school student who wanted to make the world better, and viewed getting the Death Note as his opportunity to make a difference. Of course, as the Mandalorians go on their campaign of atrocities, Revan would start listening to Malak more and increasingly veer away from subtlety and chessmaster maneuvers in favor of just fucking nuking the bastards. But you should avoid making Revan a direct copy of Light by making it so he really does try to play by the rule book at the start instead of by the book that kills people. The personal motivations driving Revan would be hotly debated by political commentators and forumgoers and there would be several camps that would never completely agree about why he was doing this. But we can't have a deconstruction of the reasons for going to war without having the main character be heroic enough to be compelling.

I hoped to get some feedback on the side plots and True Sith stuff, especially the potential election campaign, the Eres III debacle and the possibility of using Meetra alongside Sirun. However, it was fairly late when I got all that posted and I went to bed soon after, so you probably went to bed before getting that far. But I only got a few hours of sleep, so I might just go research that divegrass strategy sheet.

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 No.35132

>>35074

>how space Hitler was gonna shove the Jedi into his own personal Jekk'Jekk Tar chamber and laugh at them from the Dark Side while he did it.

>implying space Hitler did anything wrong

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 No.35137

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>>35132

That was from old senile schizo Krynda's perspective anon, boomers have a hard time getting their priorities all prim and proper anyways without a USS Liberty's worth of mental illness dropped on top of it.

>>35130

Alek/Malak isn't that bad of a person, he goes into the war with good intentions but he goes from wanting to protect the Republic's citizens to wanting to annihilate the Mandalorians. He begins to swing this way as a response to what he sees in the war, at first he views the Mandalorians as powerful but ultimately misguided barbarians, ones that once they get their backs broken they'll calm down, but after actually fighting them he begins to turn more and more genocidal as time goes on, sort of how like Tau/Revan sacrifices more and more to beat them.

I forgot to bring this up earlier, but Sirun is NOT a strategical or tactical genius like Tau, his skills and mindset just don't align enough.

Tau already looks at things from a big-picture standpoint, viewing the causes, effects, and potential future of situations in order to control them and grind events whatever way he thinks is favorable, Sirun on the other hand has a harder time focusing on the big picture and instead finds himself dedicating himself to issues close and immediately at hand, small picture events with simple yes or no choices that'll lead wherever they lead, Sirun is content to walk the paths placed before him, only he does his best to be a shepherd to those he's walking alongside.

Sirun's not a great general or commander, he's a much better boots on the ground captain or champion to follow, that Force Influence ability in KOTOR 2 leads to your companions having a sort of second sense towards your actions, reacting in a way so fast and so decisive that it's impossible that their reaction times are just absurdly fucking fast.

Kreia brings this up, and from what I can tell the Exile sort of indirectly relays information and inadvertently orders those he's bonded with.

A good example was something I was going to show in the Eres III part after Sirun's abilities have been more developed, so here's a rough outline of what its like.

>Exile's leading a fire team through a particularly hot spot

>Mandalorians, Neo-Crusaders and antique crusaders alike, dropping into the battlefield left and right from dropships or basilisks

>Sirun senses a Crusader about to peek out from behind cover, doesn't react

>The second his blue faceplate's revealed one of the soldiers puts a bolt in it

>Sirun senses a couple of more mandos coming up, gets Shien ready One of Sirun's earlier struggles that he's dealt with by now is his blast deflection abilities eating ass

>Sirun bats away their blasterfire while the squad doesn't hesitate to light them up

I'm done some work with Cell towers and the quick summary of how the lanky fucks work is like this.

>Phone sends signal to tower

>Signal goes down tower to the ground

>Data travels through the fiber back up the tower

>Tower spits data out as a signal to phone

It RELAYS data.

Sirun senses things stores that information in his brain naturally, like everyone else does, but due to that bond he shares with those around him the information gets copy and pasted into their own minds and since the entire unit is connected to Sirun he can make a quick decision to assign a member to a task, i.e. having the first guy on his right get ready to squeeze the trigger on that Mandalorian hiding behind a wall.

Or he can ready the entire unit since they're about to go head-to-head in open ground against a large group of Mandalorians, essentially giving him the chance to communicate to everybody he's directly bonded with the game plan for what's about to happen allowing him to coordinate them in a way that leads the already tight-knit unit to become something akin to a single body, with each member acting as a limb for Sirun who's busy playing brain.

It's sort of like battle meditation in a way, just on a much smaller and personal scale, and where battle meditation is an active ability that requires immense amount of focus and attention, Sirun has next to no real control over who he does and doesn't bond with, with his subconscious only vaguely aware of what's going on and Sirun's conscious mind simply having faith in those around him to support whatever decisions he makes.

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 No.35138

>>35137

This turns Sirun into an absolutely devastating force on a battlefield since if you can give him a quality fucking unit that he's spent some time with, he'll drill straight through the opposition or hold a position until the very ground beneath them crumbles.

However this definitely has some very apparent downsides, for starters Sirun's basically just inadvertently min-maxed his small-unit tactics abilities to an absurd degree, making him the best pick for a very certain job but ultimately a one-trick pony who can do that trick really fucking well, but as a strategist or battlefield tactician he's sorely lacking.

Plus there's two sides to that Force Influence coin, yes the bonds created allow his unconscious mind to turn those around him into fully functioning flesh puppets, but when those puppets break he feels it, badly.

If anything goes wrong its very likely that Sirun may get overwhelmed by whatever strong emotions those around him are exerting, or that if he gets hurt they themselves might even feel it, and when you throw that negative feedback loop aspect into the mix it becomes very apparent that things can spiral out of control.

That being said though, whenever Sirun takes to the field either way shit's either going down or about to fly into an industrial fan.

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 No.35139

>>35137

Holy fuck I'm retarded. Second image is supposed to have the bottom half on top, look at it from the bottom up to understand it right.

Sorry

>Sirun senses mando

>That info gets fed to the others

>One of them, since he now knows exactly where the Mando is, pops him

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 No.35140

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>>35117

>True Sith

If I might make a suggestion, other parts of this board seem to like the "smug red aryan" parts of the Sith Empire I'll admit to being one of them. Perhaps the Sith Empire that sacked Coruscant and wrecked so much shit was an increasing spiral of systems and sectors which at first unwittingly then gleefully infected themselves with Vitty's spiritual and ideological contagion. Kinda like how Protestantism made an unholy mess of Western Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries. Thus, with this new faith and way of life sweeping through the Galaxy, the Republic suddenly finds what were once sure and steady territories fielding vast armies against her. It's like the Pius Dea Crusades again, only the Republic is now on the receiving end, a receiving end strengthened with the most cutting edge technology available at the time. And of course, the original Sith are seen as the holiest speakers of that fanatical wave, such that men will prostrate themselves before them out of religious awe as much as fear. Why use slave labor and worry about riots, when devout and willing corveé labor is so much easier to come by? Why not indulge your footmen's zeal to increase their moral tenfold, such that they will stop the enemy's meatgrinder through force and bodies? All these things I can see the True Sith letting loose: a horrific yet compelling storm of focused and doctrinate madness.

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 No.35143

>>35115

>side plot republic economy

One of the contributing factors to Revan becoming disillusioned with the Republic is the stagnancy of its economy, which has become so over saturated with corporate rivalries and tensions that greed and a lust for shekels has caused a massive disparity between the core and just about everywhere else. The Republic itself has the potential to become an economic juggernaut and despite things being so fucked up it still is the MOST POWERFUL economy in the Galaxy at the time, shitting all over even the Hutts in terms of production and quality. It's just not being harnessed because the corporations took the bit out of their mouths and have firmly planted it in the Senate's gums.

Tol Cressa's administration is moderately effective, its mismanagement doesn't necessarily lead to much as the only things they remotely fail on are changing the status quo of the Republic's economical and industrial situation, in terms of actual fuck ups there isn't a whole lot, Tol may be a corrupt bureaucrat but he is an effective one.

Emergency extensions due to the Repubic actively being at war and the fact that nobody's stupid enough to try to swap administrations in the middle of a war if the current one's doing okay, plus the fact that nobody wants to have any wartime failures pinned on them doing to them becoming chancellor right before them, has lead to nobody really challenging Tol for his spot, in fact Tol's none too happy to be chancellor during the war because he has to be twice as fucking careful as he would be otherwise because if he fucks up once, once, his career will be absolutely over and his moderately good name will get dragged through Coruscant's lowest levels' shit sewer streets.

>Eres III Sirun fuckup

The thing about my telling of Eres III is that Sirun honestly didn't make that many mistakes, but the situation before him and some newly developed autism on his part leads to him blaming himself for the shitshow that was what happened.

Brief summary of Eres III and subsequent events

>Republic has outpost near Tion space on the tiny world of Space Crimea AKA Eres III

>The purpose of the outpost is to act as an alarm for the Republic fleet in case the Mandalorians try blitzing down the Perelemian/that spot of space

>It's an outpost manned by joint forces of Tionese, Eres colonial forces, basically Tionese and the local Nikto natives that got marooned way back during the Tion-Hutt war

>Mandalorians led by Cassus Fett himself have gigantic fucking fleet and are planning on punching through the Core

>Eres III and subsequently Eres Prime is a fucking speedbump to them

>Sirun has to do a fighting retreat while holding together the motley crew of retarded Tionese who hate the Nikto because they're hutt fuckpuppets, Nikto who hate the Eres colonists for invading their home, and Eres colonists who hate all of them for fucking them over in one way or the other, plus all the Republic and Zabrak units attached to Sirun's force.

>Republic fleet hears how gigantic the fleet is an coordinates with Sirun to lead the Mandalorian fleet into them and an allied hutt fleet

>Mandalorians BTFO them by going after the hutts, annihilating them, then shredding the command element of the Republic reinforcement fleet

>Sirun's forced to try to manage a fleet 3x larger than he actually can while fighting an enemy that's twice the size of even that

>Put up a fight, manage to bleed the Mandos a little more than they got bled and run

>Repeat until Duro where there's no more retreating

>Mandos about to steal a fuckton of weapons, ship material, and ship weapons

>Revan shows up with the Interdictor and Centurions he's been working on with Rendili star drives

>Mandos have a hard time

Sirun blames himself for not managing to take out the Mandalorians before they got so close to the Republic's heart, this is due to a negative development on his part where he's stopped blaming others for his fuckups and instead unhealthily internalizes every fuck up from everyone around him, trying to improve himself so he can bear everyone else's weight too, where he can barely hold himself up.

Sirun doesn't necessarily fuck up, he did his best and managed to blunt the fuck out of an absolutely massive Mandalorian fleet, but he still ultimately failed at his objective of stopping them so he loses a bit of confidence in his abilities as a leader and this leads to him leaning more on Revan Who rarely fucks up because he rarely puts himself in situations where he could fuck up and this ultimately leads to him following Revan's orders to the letter at Dxun and Sirun ACTUALLY fucking up.

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 No.35145

>>35140

I love red space aryans but I also much prefer this idea of zealotry over slavery.

I like it

I haven't put a whole lot of work or thought into the Eres section, I'll get around to that when I've actually gotten around to the things before it. Currently focusing on Zabrak recruitment stuff, post-Serroco Mandalore's march to Arkania, D'Asta affair, blah blah

Thanks for reading anons

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 No.35147

>>35116

Let me get something out of the way.

>feminist revisionism

No. We're doing this nice little thing to escape bullshit like this. Approaching it from the other direction is no fucking better. Besides, Star Wars as we know it already has fighting women be thin on the ground. The most dangerous of them are either inhumanly strong aliens, Force Users, or both. Though it is a funny idea for the later Empire to try and stress the superiority of human women purely for human supremacist reasons.

>>35123

>Hutts

Wait, wouldn't they try to play both sides like they do later? And which finally blows up in their faces big time with the Vong.

>>35124

>Atris

Do I sense a schoolyard crush here? Are you going in that direction?

>>35143

>>35145

Weren't you going to talk about what goes on with poor esser Esan?

Also, fanks. Sith soldiers should be the kind of crazy only the bloodthirstiest of the Mandos understand, and even then the smarter ones would hold them at arm's length. They aren't miserable like in TOR, just paranoid and wired on adrenaline plus ambition to prove themselves. In terms of appearance, while the vanguard could look like they did in the Bioware games, Dromund Kaas should look more corrupted Ptolemaic Super-Egypt with lingering Pharaonic elements than Film Noir Coruscant. Sith Reds' formal wear should make them look like demonic Egyptian gods and goddesses Owing to Dromund Kaas being a damned swamp on top of their culture. Also, reminded of the Dread Masters here. Could be that they delight in fusing Sith magic into their formal masks to cow everyone save Vitty into bowing. Could be that it is customary for Sith to "wire" similar effects into their outfits. Could be that the Dreads are the only ones who dare use such powers on fellow Lords.

As an aside, I would avoid going into Way of the Dark style stuff. Vastly different powerset from the Sith. And a different deity to boot. Implied that their "Dark" is actually the Father of Shadows. Typhojem is a-okay, though.

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 No.35149

>>35137

>Sirun, small-unit tactics and Eres III

This works better than the approach I thought up for Eres III. It sort of gives the sense that nobody could really have done that much better there. They had very poor unit cohesion and were severely overmatched anyway. Maybe the goal of that campaign was mostly just to be a distraction while something more important happens elsewhere. Maybe Admiral Dumbshit still gets assigned there but was placed there on purpose with the understanding that they were just fodder to keep the Mandalorians occupied until the real heavy equipment can be readied. You can still have the basic intent of what I posted about Admiral Dumbshit getting his job because of politics, or maybe something about him having dirt on a major Republic official and being sent there to die before he can reveal it. Either or both of those things would produce distrust of the Republic among the troops. It works on another level as well. Sirun's failings with the fine art of commanding large battle groups don't matter as much if he was never meant to win. The playable Exile has the option to use Battle Meditation aboard the Ravager to defeat the Sith, so we can surmise from this that no real command skills are required to use it. Nobody else who has Battle Meditation has ever displayed any command skill either. Bastila didn't have any or the Endar Spire would never have been attacked.

Sirun's portrayal here makes him something of an allegory for broken millennial men, which is probably the reason he's the viewpoint character. His status as the result of an upbringing with no real father figure, his social isolation and his impeccable facility with small unit tactics are all signs of this. If you went and got some pro gaming team and told them to fight a real war (and they could stop eating Dewritos long enough to pass the fitness tests), they'd probably have no trouble working in a small unit together but would be hopeless at strategic-level decisions since most games where you're not completely alone against the Evil Overlord have you working with a small team of very powerful characters. Sirun's other status as a follower of Revan is significant here too because Revan is a gaming hero just as much as he is anything else. Dreams of saving the world are bound to be used by ideologues for their own ends, which may be well-intentioned but misguided or just coldly self-serving.

>>35143

>Tol Cressa gets immediately emergency powers to keep his chancellorship until the war is over

Gee, I sure hope nobody takes advantage of this precedent to declare himself Emperor or something. But it also gets around having to have a substantial political side plot that may bore people.

>>35140

>True Sith

I'm fine with them being somewhat religion-based. But we already have the Pius Dea era and the New Jedi Order series for that. They need to have something to set them apart from the other religious fanatics and dark side cultists. Otherwise they're just boring and tired. But this is derailing the development of the preceding material, so we should go back to that for now and keep this stuff in the queue for later.

>>35147

>No. We're doing this nice little thing to escape bullshit like this. Approaching it from the other direction is no fucking better.

You know what, you're probably right about this. I hate feminism, and I'm not shy about it, but it could get in the way of the story to invite that much political content into it. We should still consider using Meetra though.

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 No.35153

>>35149

>Nobody else who has Battle Meditation has ever displayed any command skill either.

I should amend this by saying that the otherwise fairly unremarkable Imperial Grand Admiral Nial Declann was trained in it by Emperor Palpatine, but just having rank doesn't mean you're a skilled commander. Declann hasn't had very much character development, so we can't say whether he was any good or not. There are still very few characters who have command training and battle meditation though. This is very strange and should be talked about with some detail. I'm interested by the concept of small-scale battle meditation as well. Is it better than the normal version for small units?

On the issue of how much political stuff to include in this, we need to find a balance. We can't just ignore it entirely given what Disney has done and the political subplot of the prequels, and some of the stuff discussed so far like the Republic military being a bloated money sink has ample support from previously released material, but the biggest drawback of the documentary approach I suggested is that it opens the way for political interference. All those editorials from galactic media pundits would take up room that should be going to the story. Finding some way of including some Essential Guide-like features while remaining predominantly a narrative would be good. But that can wait until near the end of the project to be fully thought out. We should probably get back to the present now.

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 No.35156

>>35153

>Grand Admiral Nial Declann was trained in it by Emperor Palpatine, but just having rank doesn't mean you're a skilled commander.

Is there any particular reason the writers went this direction? Thrawn originally speculated that it was Palpy who engaged in Battle Meditation, since Imperial forces broke almost the instant he died. Why eschew that in favor of a random Grand Admiral being trained in Battle Meditation and not much else?

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 No.35163

>>35156

They might have had the idea that battle meditation is more effective when used by somebody with command training, but who knows?

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 No.35169

>>35147

Regarding the feminist revision thing, no, I'm keeping this strictly apolitical in terms of me pushing my own personal politics, individual characters have their own views and agendas and advocate for them of course, but that's because I prefer living breathing characters more similar to people as viewpoint characters dynamic characters are interesting, static ones can work but in specific situations for example, I am fairly NatSoc and think that a certain group of Poles and Germans need to be removed from the planet and whatever subterranean holes their reptilian noses hide their kosher coins under, but a major viewpoint character Tau/Revan who himself grows to view a dictatorship as necessary doesn't go spouting off about the Muun Financial Trust houses controlling the Senate, but Sirun might, and the reason Sirun does is because he's aware of the stigma around anti-Muunitic statements and makes them as shock and awe jokes to annoy people so they can argue with him and he can feel whole because he's a sort of petty person, I say kike because I legitimately believe it.

The only politics in this are the politics I've assigned to certain characters, that's it.

>hutts

The hutts tried playing both sides, and while certain kajidics are on the Mandalorians' good side since they handed over ships, weapons, and toys, a large number of them are fucking pissed because their smuggling economy is getting used as target practice by the Mandalorians. Remember when Canderous was talking about how they bullied smugglers? It's a part of the Vong story he has.

I'm aware that that story's smugglers could be any smugglers, freelance ones trying to run a blockade on a world they had, random smugglers in their territory on a run, anything.

The Mandalorians view the Hutt Cartel as a bloated slug that leaves nothing but a colossal slime trail of worthlessness like sloth, excess luxury, and nasty hedonism. They are without honor, without merit, and therefore without deserving existence.

>Atris n Sirun sittin in a

It's practically confirmed in KOTOR 2 that the male Exile and Atris had something, its never expressly stated that they fucked but Atris admits that you were close and the Exile can admit that they had something too.

Atris is a super duper vanilla Jedi though, and things only really develop a little bit, so sorry no fucking

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 No.35170

>>35169

>Esan

Talvon sticks with Sirun throughout the Mando Wars. Except when they get split up at Nouane when Sirun gets his ass kicked by a basilisk He's more a character foil for Sirun as he's calm, collected, and internally confident while Sirun's for the beginning of the story the opposite. Talvon is like a wall that Sirun bounces off of, and a good deal of his work is keeping Sirun alive since he's sort of a retard every now and again

>Sith

I won't be touching them for a bit, but I frankly dislike the idea of Sith worshiping a proper God. The Dark Side isn't one side of a coin, its just overusing the Force for your own ends and trying to split its flow in the direction you want it to go rather than the one it wants, that is why it seems to hate Darksiders so much, where Lightsiders sorta chill out and ride the waves, Darksiders go off to divert rivers into their own personal reservoirs, pissing off the Force.

At least that's my guess, I don't know, I just know it isn't ying yang

>>35149

I like the Admiral fuckup idea, I was thinking about something similar anyways and its a good way of tying gay Republic political fuckups into the conflict.

>Battle meditation

I never used battle meditation in KOTOR and think that its best reserved as a cool ability few can do, and Sirun was never meant to be one of them. His connections are passive and unconscious, while Battle Meditation is an active coordination of people through the Force, Sirun's sort of pseudo-battle med is a side effect of pre-existing bonds if that makes sense. He isn't actively using the Force to order them around, he has quick impulses in his brain for actions and emotions which goes down the pipe line into those with him.

>Broken millenial

I never thought about it that way, just wanted there to be a plausible reason why he'd grow more attached to his master Kavar, but I definitely see the connection

>Immediate emergency powers

I was summarizing, Tol Cressa's side of things is a fucking slog. The Senate doesn't take the Mandalorians as that big of a deal, Tol himself didn't give a shit about them until Lhosan Industries and other Outer Rim companies started crying about their shit getting fucked with. After that, Tol realized his mistake and began trying to push back against the Mandos, but due to them not actually being a gigantic threat quite yet most Core senators didn't give a fuck and told him to go fuck themselves when he tried diverting budgetary funds towards the military, something he'd already done a while ago to re-outfit the military and barely got it passed.

I'm not really afraid of adding politics because they help the world out and are a good way of showing how the Republic as a whole goes from ignoring the small sting of the Mandos to reeling back after getting hit in the head by a fucking hammer, said hammer is Serroco. After Serroco, the Senate throws their hands up and starts letting Cressa do what he wants, since now they actually views the Mandos as a significant threat to their livelihoods.

I'll have to do a post on Cressa, I've had some new ideas on him that I want to talk about.

Also, I like the whole Meetra Surik idea you talked about, but I think that adding it to an already sort of complicated story will convolute and take away from the focus of the narrative, plus using Karpyshyn's rape baby abortion exile character and basically calling it a sham while taking focus away from the story sounds needlessly assholic, after all the fat fucker has to go to sleep at night knowing at the lore he wrote for TORtanic was shit enough

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 No.35214

File: 3f2f52e913e987e⋯.jpg (44.8 KB,350x340,35:34,Eriadu.jpg)

Been a bit /sw/ Sorry.

Lying precariously on the Republic's southern border is the Seswenna Sector, a backwater plot of space home to the industrial powerhouse of Sullust and a planet blessed by nearby hyperlanes, a temperate world excelling in nothing other than being boring and forgettable, known to those with a memory ironclad enough to remember it.

Eriadu.

On this spinning ball of molten ice and green-infested rock born to a family of middle-class factory workers was a young man name Tol, Tol Cressa. Tol decided that he was above his lineage's call of breathing in toxic metal-coating fumes and dying at 30, so he made the pragmatic decision and fucked off to the Republic military.

Having a knack for organization and logistical analysis, Tol eventually crawled his way up the ranks of the Seswenna Sector Army and became an officer in the sector's Logistics Corps, and after a certain incident where the antiquated repulsorlift vehicle fleet of the Sector Army did an oopsy and lead to an entire regiment getting pinned down by (definitely not hutt) pirates trying to get their grubby Weequay hands on the hundred kilos of zippy juice that got legally commandeered by Republic forces.

After a few trips to Coruscant with Eriadu's senator where the latter begged the bigwig tiny dick senators to give his frontier shithole sector a bigger military budget and Cressa flat out stating that the senators' economic interests in the region'd get their assholes raped by twi'lek-STD ridden pirate peepee if they sat back with their dicks in their hand and thumb up the ass and watched as the underfunded underfunded by shitty barely held together Republic military standards, these fucks are lucky to have UNIFORMS and are getting driven around by the equivalent of Space Priuses when in reality they should at least have Astro-Hummers

After repeated trips to the Senate for more funding gibs and permission to invade the nearby Sluis Sector to hunt a mercenary army-turned pirate force that may or may not've turned around and sacked the planet they were supposed to be garrisoning. Remember Kabal never forget never forgive Cressa found himself more and more infuriated by the Senate but also more and more infatuated with it, seeing it as an absolute cluster fuck. It's like a busted shuttle with both engines spitting out sparks and dipping in and out of life while the blind deaf mentally-retarded pilot's doing barrel rolls because the howling demons shaped like a coynite fox screams and claws at his squishy grey matter. Any reasonable person would through their hands up in the air and just cut their losses, accepting that no matter what they do that shuttle aint going to do anything they want it to, other than crash horrifically into a population center.

Problem is, said shuttle's carrying the last droid coordination box in the sector and it's supposed to be headed towards the front lines where two battalions worth of Sentinel units are standing their looking like big shiny assholes 'cause they forgot how to pull their triggers now that some spiced up Hutt goon just slammed his swoop bike into the last droid control box, Tol Cressa is a Logistics Officer and he is going to do whatever it fucking takes to get that multi-ton brain box where it needs to be, whether that includes dragging some robed-up pacifist with magic wizard powers out of their gay temple so they can drag it out of the sky or using sheer force of will to guide the ship to the front lines or maybe Hell, he'll just use a laser cannon to crash it himself before repairing the box and dragging it himself to the retarded silver murder robots.

Whatever needs to get done he will get it done, capitulation and compromise aren't in his vocabulary, he will do whatever he needs to and he will absolutely do it his way.

This sort of brute-force method of waging political war shredded the prancing incestuous faggotry that ruled the Senate, and after turning Eriadu into an economic pimp whipping Sullust, Sluis Van, and Mustafar with its sea-shell encrusted dick and forcing them through absurd trade deals, military occupation, and a general purpose in life respectively, there were few in the Senate with the balls or ability to square up to the Strongman of Eriadu when he decided to run for chancellorship, content with the work he'd done to his home, intent on continuing said work across the Galaxy.

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 No.35215

File: 41a14e2d3e7c0b0⋯.png (289.47 KB,736x1367,736:1367,Strongman of Eriadu.png)

>>35214

I'm stupid. Here's a 20 minute edit of Brian Matyas' work.

Chancellors from Fillorean to the former Rocket-Jumper Vocatara have a tendency to wear these gay little robes made of a rare material probably harvested off of space squirrels known as Veda, impossibly soft and smooth, Veda is basically the ye olde velvet of Star Wars.

Tol Cressa can't stand that flowery shit. Cressa's got a few nicknames but the most appropriate one in this content is "robeless," as despite being chancellor for more than his fair share of sessions, this man has never even worn a Chancery robe in his entire career, instead favoring military formal dress uniquely designed and tailored for himself.

He's worn everything from his Seswenna Sector Army Logistics Corps formals to even a set of shitty uniforms he wore during his time in the boot while he gave a speech at a pinnacle hearing regarding special space tariffs on known hutt-affiliated worlds.

He absolutely disdains all of the flowery dumbshit that goes on in the Senate, and has seemingly made it his life's mission to cleanse the Republic of these shitty elements he dislikes.

That's what makes it so funny when he starts using them more and more as a crutch to stay in office, but you'll have to excuse me because all this on the fly political stuff is giving me a stomach ache

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 No.35217

Tol Cressa is ultimately a background character who we follow as a vessel for displaying how the Senate (an allegory for the Republic as a whole) reacts to the Mandalorian Wars. When he's not doing that, he's either walking in on the Jedi Council to piss them off because they're prissy faggots who're sitting back while his and their Republic dies, or him reeling as he scrambles to undo the fucked up edicts and amendments of his immediate predecessor.

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 No.35218

File: 5aa6e94314d98f1⋯.jpg (84.83 KB,740x486,370:243,Watch Circle Arca.jpg)

File: d391ba394a7f7eb⋯.png (40.08 KB,716x186,358:93,Covenant colors.png)

Time to talk about the Covenant again.

Here's a tl;dr on how the Covenant operates

>Watch Circles

Also spelled WatchCircles, which not only looks stupid but also clashes with another group term as shown in the highlighted text.

WatchCircles don't have a space in them, as you can see in yellow and orange, but the Market Manipulators Definitely Legal Stock Study Circle which literally uses the Force to abuse the Intergalactic stock market, the words look nice and pretty because there's a space between every one of them.

Because of this, and the fact that WatchCircle gives me a headache, I'll be typing Watch Circle instead.

Now about what they do. Watch Circles are groups of Jedi seers handpicked by Krynda Draay to operate with one another, the foremost "First Watch Circle" is the one in the first image, the Taris-bound Watch Circle. They're called this either because they were the first, something that I'm still not sure about despite researching it or because they are the foremost and most important Watch Circle, since Krynda seems to think that they'll be the ones to realize her dream of making sure the Sith never come back.

>Why Krynda made this

Krynda made the Covenant in an attempt to use the Unifying Force's precognitive properties to sense and then locate the Sith if and when they pop back up BEFORE they pop back up, essentially allowing them to throw the space baby out the window before it gets old enough to zap them.

>What do watch circles actually do

Attached to a watch circle are two elements, the Eyes and the Hand. I made the Eyes term up, but Lucien Draay is constantly being referred to as the circle's Hand The Eyes are the seers, they kick back and have schizophrenic nightmares and then they cry to the Hand about it.

The Hand is a Jedi guardian who's job is to keep the seers safe. They're picked for two big reasons, their ability to make bad men disappear, and their inability to see the future and question the seers' visions.

The Hand's job is to react to the Eyes' visions, either marching halfway across the Galaxy to decapitate a little boy who hates sand or maybe doing it in his backyard and just bisecting his padawan. The Hand doesn't question, the Hand simply does.

Lucien Draay was the Hand of the First Watch Circle, and all the other weirdo child genociders were the seers. Even Raana Tey, who herself was pretty fucking scary with a lightsaber

So tl;dr, Eyes = Seers that have spooky dreams and interpret spooky dreams, Hand = poor pleb sent to go butcher babies based on those spooky dreams

>How many circles

No clue. It's at least 2, because we follow members of the First Watch Circle in the comic and hear about a Watch Circle Vodo, who apparently is shit and doesn't know that God is pissing on them when its raining. These guys sensed that the space elf guy was gonna use his space worm leviathans to get a profit from Mandalore, only they thought that the Sith were gonna buy it for some fucking reason. Maybe Vitty's doing more than just gifting gifts to the Mandos? Maybe he's also using his facebook libra to fund them too

This makes me ask a simple question: Why isn't this other Watch Circle numbered? Why are they special enough to have a name?

The answer is simple! Its the same reason why most of the incomprehensible shit happens in the comics, the writers didn't give a fuck.

The Watch Circles are named after famous Jedi/ones that were important to Krynda herself, Vodo was one of her masters so one of the Circles carries his name, Arca Jeth was her primary master so I'm naming the First Watch Circle after him.

I'm also adding a third watch circle for shits and giggles, Watch Circle Memit.

>why

Because, a precedent for the Covenant being fuckhuge has been set by the sheer amount of Jedi Shadows they have (I'll talk about them later) and the existence of other watch circles, and I doubt that Krynda lacks the autism to treat the Tetans, who were literally ruled by a Dark Sider dynasty four decades ago, with anything other than absolute contempt and caution, so the idea of her dedicating an entire Watch Circle to making sure those retards don't start singing Sith hymns before bed every night seems perfectly in character for this geriatric dumbass.

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File: fc9368387154a3f⋯.png (2.15 KB,210x274,105:137,Covenant Symbol.png)

File: 48c063df22d8134⋯.jpg (1.43 MB,1296x939,432:313,Covenant shadows.jpg)

>>35218

It's ironic that I'm making fun of Krynda for being old and crazy when I'm forgetting to add images left and right. Here's the symbol I came up for the Jedi Covenant

It's the shining star in the Jedi symbol with the outline of an eye cut out, representing Krynda's desire to turn into a sort of Sauron in terms of being one big all seeing eye without the fire and brimstone. Unless said fire and brimstone is on top of broken massassi baby bones, in that case she's fucking Melkor

Covenant Shadows are dumb, let me explain them. They're each Jedi that've had their paper trail linking them to the Order annihilated, the Archives are incompl- allowing them to operate with maximum mobility when completing whatever task the Covenant's assigned them since they don't have to worry about the Council knocking on their door when they hear that good ol' Bataui Zeel or whoever murdered a family on Ord Mantell and burned the house down after the family recently repainted their house black or whatever fucking thing they did, the point is that they have nothing linking or connecting them to any organization, letting them operate with nothing doctrinal or legal holding them back.

The sheer amount of them is fucking staggering, as you have to remember that each and every one of them has had basically every single document with their name or description available to the JEDI, who probably have tabs on shit happening across the Galaxy dating back to pre-Republic times because they can sense the fucking future and can at least scribble a drawing of weird hammerhead dickheads getting BTFO'd by spiky red guys on the wall using their blue and green crayons.

The fact that the Covenant has removed a couple of people from the archives is impressive, but ALL of these fuckers? Das amazin'

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File: c120b59236dde2c⋯.png (2.16 KB,210x274,105:137,True Covenant Insignia.png)

File: 756a196645ec3e6⋯.png (4.33 KB,210x532,15:38,Symbol symbolism.png)

>>35219

Sadly for the Covenant though, after Haazen revealed himself to be a gigantic Sith-obsessed larping faggot their little organization got its shit pushed in by the Jedi Order, with the watch circles getting separated and countless Shadows finding themselves either apprehended or fleeing known space because the Order doesn't take kindly to having its former members giving them a bad name by working alongside a now debunked group of batshit insane assholes. I'm paraphrasing what I read about them, the Jedi apparently arrested them in the middle of the Mandalorian Wars and didn't give a fuck. This might explain why Revan had so many Sith out of nowhere, since all these dark jedi are now space hobos

Now a few Shadows got away and that's all fine and dandy, the entire reason why I'm talking about these speds is because of what happened AFTER the Covenant was dissolved.

Lucien Draay reorganized and reformed the Jedi Covenant on a tiny temperate moon he bought way back when, dubbing it the True Covenant and claiming that it'd be the bastard child of Krynda's anti-Sith obsession and Barrison Draay's moral code of not listening to others and doing what others tell you that you can't do just to spite them.

Another important amendment to the Covenant's doctrines that Lucien made was probably THE most important and telling one, no longer would playing Peeping tom on the future be the Covenant's go-to modus operandi, instead of just inadvertently causing the apocalyptic future they were afraid of, they'd also PREPARE for said apocalyptic future and do their best to wait it out, turtling where Krynda's covenant would've broken and probably just fallen.

The new insignia has a bit of symbolism to it, where the old one was just the central star with an eye, the new one flipped upside down.

>Lowest tail

The lower tail is thicker than the original's top, showing how where the old organization lashed out, well, outwards, the new organization is firmly rooted down, grounded in its doctrines and beliefs and even more so in their morals.

The top tails of the new star are different too, as they're all equal where the original had the top and bottom travel a bit more than the others, instead the new star is sort of like a lovechild between a caltrop and a railroad spike, biting deep into the earth for stability but also covered by a needle-y head that screams "Don't touch my bread gubment"

The True Covenant also employs Shadows, however where the original ones were unrestrained bulldozers, the new ones are at least bound by a firm moral code, even if said moral code in reality is a blind pissed off Lucien swinging his lightsaber around if they act like space dickheads.

In that second image I got bored and came up with a comparison, the old Covenant was a dark shard hidden in a white field, Jedi in name yet despite the title they murdered innocents, lied to and deceived the Council, and shit all over everything the Jedi stood for in their mindless quest to stop the dark that they were fueling.

The True Covenant's in a different situation though, in a Galaxy where the Jedi have all but disappeared because they got their shit pushed in by a moving corpse or had said shit eaten up for dinner by a particularly hungry boy, the True Covenant's a light in the dark, trying desperately to keep the Jedi alive all while hiding themselves from the Forces trying to keep the Jedi dead. This is why I'm bringing them up, after Sirun Krii basically outs himself as having returned on Nar Shaddaa after a holorecording of him carving a path through Jekk'Jekk Tar and the subsequent decimation of an entire Ubese clan at his hands gets leaked, it only makes sense that Lucien would do everything he could to bring another Jedi, a TRUE Jedi, Which is funny since Sirun's far from that into the fold to protect him from the Sith, or to sick him on the Sith sort of like how Kreia uses him.

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>>35221

That reminds me, and its something that bugs me. In KOTOR 2 Kreia can show up in front of every single Jedi master you meet and none of them bat a fucking eye, despite the fact that at the Dantooine enclave they all know IMMEDIATELY who she is. You could say that its not fair for the writers to be prepared for this, since due to the companion system Kreia could technically never pop up in front of Zez-Kai or Vrook's face due to said companion system, but she literally is FORCED upon you on Onderon and literally fucking talks in front of Kavar and he doesn't bat a fucking eye, despite being shocked later on that she isn't dead yet

The obvious answer is that she hid herself using the Force, speaking to you through the link and that that's the reason why nobody cares she's there, sort of like how she hid herself from Atris.

Problem is, she hid herself from Atris, but definitely not the fucking handmaidens, who literally tell Atris that she was there leading to Atris getting a few types of fucked up.

I have a solution for this in my telling of things, but I won't quite spoil it here

Another reason why I'm bringing the True Covenant up is because they're a loose end, not just a single thread or strand though, a gigantic fucking loose end. An entire GROUP of fucking Jedi that apparently did absolutely NOTHING throughout the Dark Wars and just sat back and watched as the Order got torn apart.

I don't blame KOTOR 2's devs for not, well, including them, since development for that game was a shitshow anyways, but I do blame authors and world builders for forgetting that they even existed. That shit annoys me They're also included because the authors baited Lucien becoming a certain somebody and I'm frankly disappointed that the two of them never met

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