No.33045 [View All]
Since the last thread did welland because i want to post my autism, lets talk about lightsabers and such.
My autism is a saber meant for Jar'kai, in dual wielding the hands are a weak point, so logically a weapon made for dual wielding should remove this weakness.
The only notable other extra pieces i actually gave it was levers for the extra blades, since it might make sense to not burn extra battery in a lot of cases; and an energy line that goes down the side of the blade since it seems more reasonable than having the energy just go both ways through the sabers main piece.
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No.33121
>>33120
The scale does seem sort of off, but other than that it's excellent work. Try adding another fairly short section at the base.
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No.33123
>>33121
Right, i extended the lower pieces.
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No.33130
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>>33115
Ad 1) No no no, a bat'leth is actually a sane, usable weapon… Providing that you're trained to use it effectively and such a guarded staff would not only be sane, but also usable. What would be even better, would be a light-quarterstaff. Now that's an awesome Jedi weapon! You could bonk people when defending, or kill if you really have to. It could have a major significance, the same is with a spear. Darth Maul's weapon is all things considered, dangerous and quite stupid, because you can't use it like a staff and it's very dangerous to the user.
Ad 2) Any guard is sane! A crossguard is not really my style, but it is so much better than not having anything at all. It's a perfectly legit way of fighting, see the video. This is the single best feature of the NuWars.
Ad 3) The circle is called an umbo. I guess you could arrange the beams to for example form a cone with a handle inside, or if that's not your thing, just make a parrying sword by using your X-guard, but making it larger and arrange the beams to that they can catch blades. Even a cross would do. You could make it very exotic and fun!
>>33119
I second that and actually thought about it. Again, I would point the beams slightly upwards for a better catch, but such a weapon would easily be very devastating on the battlefield. It could also double as a quarterstaff for the Jedi!
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No.33137
What about a laser version of a svärdstav/swordstaff?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swordstaff
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No.33142
>>33130
An actual bat'leth can be a good weapon, however dual sided lightsabers in general tend to be bad due to cutting into a huge range of movements.
The design i posted would still suffer from such issues; though a guard does allow less reliance on swinging around your blade i guess
Cutting into the side range as little as possible, though a slight curve is probably still a good idea.
It also looks a lot more like a Yari if that counts as an upside.
Lightspears are apparently always made of lightsaber resistant material so making it direct into the metal doesn't matter.
>>33137
Those are basically lightspears due to the whole infinite edges on the blade thing, though most lightspears use small blades.
I don't see any downside to long bladed lightspears outside of how dangerous it would be to allies considering how hard it would to perceive where it cuts.
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No.33143
>>33120
A spear or trident is a pretty good concept, but it leaves much of your handle defenseless. What if you gave it little sabre guards like in the OP? Or would that make it too clunky?
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No.33144
>>33143
Now that I look at it, I should've only added the guard thing on one side.
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No.33146
>Not just using the laser blades as armor
Get on my level plebs. You see this faggot here? He's completely undestructible now.
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No.33147
>>33142
>Those are basically lightspears due to the whole infinite edges on the blade thing, though most lightspears use small blades.
The landsknecht Paul Dolnstein who drew (at least) two sketches of the weapon called it "good pikes made from swords", so it was probably a short-sword attached to a pole. One guy has made a replica of it: http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=1248&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Total length: 236cm
Blade length: ca 55cm
Blade width at widest point: 5,3cm
Tang length: 16,5cm
Cross length: 39,5cm
Languet length: 57cm
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No.33149
>>33144
No, that ain't good. On a spear you need to constantly change your grip and roll it. It's much better with only the guard at the front.
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No.33163
>>33123
Just incredible. My only thought for additional modification would be to add a third grip section at the bottom for an extra long version.
>>33130
>Again, I would point the beams slightly upwards for a better catch
The perpendicular arrangement has the best blaster deflection of any lightspear design.
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No.33165
>in dual wielding the hands are a weak point, so logically a weapon made for dual wielding should remove this weakness.
I think the more useful purpose would be a lightsaber condom, how would this look like, Anons?
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No.33173
if you're concerned about hand protection, couldn't you add a guard made of beskar'gam? that should be enough to deflect blaster fire or a glancing blow from a lightsaber.
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No.33174
>>33173
Why can't people just carry a shield generator and some batteries? How prohibitively expensive are these things?
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No.33175
So what's your favorite saber? Mine is the darksaber.
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No.33176
>>33173
>beskar'gam
How and why would a jedi have access to mando stuff?
Also now that i think about it, dual lightsabers mean blocking strikes to your arms in general as pretty shit(since you aren't getting a steady block with one arm and the mid to edge of your blade; and there's no "safe" edge to sabers).
So really an arm guard would take precedence over gloves, but any guards made for such a thing is expensive and in the case of beskar; lacks any public knowledge in forging.
>>33174
Shields that block sabers probably would be heavy, not that completely blocking sabers wouldn't be worth it to most fighters.
It really must be expensive or something, though stuff like KOTOR really fucks with that idea.
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No.33179
>>33176
I believe it was because energy shields didn’t scale with blasters as they became more powerful. In KOTOR it’s mentioned that both the republic and smith were trying to develop weapons powerful enough to break through personal energy shields.
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No.33180
>>33179
I don't think that was the case? i'm pretty sure that was a fan-theory thrown around here or something like that.
My memory of small points of KOTOR is pretty sketch though so maybe it was that.
Either way it makes no sense that shield makers wouldn't attempt to improve their shields to compete; though that could be a reason for the price rise and eventually lack of use by most people.
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No.33181
>>33180
When you can buy your first energy shield on Taris the twilek mentions that the sith brought these energy shields first and had a significant advantage in the early days of the war. But then the republic copied the tech, and both sides sought blaster weapons strong enough to break through the shields. The assumption being that either they were successful and the shield tech could only be made so strong before the generators became prohibitively expensive and/or heavy for diminishing returns OR the materials used to make the shields was only available in with space and once the sith withdrew the republic was unable to manufacture more.
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No.33182
>>33176
>How and why would a jedi have access to mando stuff?
>and in the case of beskar; lacks any public knowledge in forging.
I guess you're right, they wouldn't. it would work in theory, but in practice, creating some sort of lightbeam guard would be the most viable option.
maybe you could create some sort of circular vent just under the blade, releasing exhaust that would act like a guard. idk
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No.33188
>>33176
Parrying strikes to your wrists and arms without any guard nor curve is very hard, in practice *any* blade to blade contact can result in your fingers being chopped off, because you can simply use the opposing blade as a guiding rail and just slam yours down, it doesn't matter if you have one or two swords. The only way you can parry with such a weapon is to strike the opponent's weapon away, you can't take blows.
>>33182
The crossguard is good enough, really. You need to be careful when working with it, but there is nothing stopping you from adding metal bars just beneath the exhaust port to protect your hands from the beam. Really, with such an arrangement, the blade would be ideal for fencing. The rods could be retractable for convenience, but with them such a sword would be perfectly usable.
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No.33191
>>33188
On the subject of crossguards, I theorized another setup of crossblades on a lightlance that has more than one set of crossblades at different angles for different purposes. I want to maintain the main forward set of crossblades perpendicular to the tip to keep the superior blaster deflection, but another set of crossblades could help defeat the tiny handful of weapons that are resistant to this design. I imported ideas from the regular crossguard saber as well. One such idea from that regime is your idea of adding a protective bar. We can use the bar to change the grip options. I also considered the addition of a tonfa-like handle to the rear end of the spear shaft perpendicular to both the main crossblades and the shaft to enable the user to more easily rotate the crossguard to meet incoming threats from both melee weapons and blaster fire. But CISposter already went and drew three different designs of this and he probably doesn't want to just draw the same thing over and over again.
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No.33274
>>33095
It's not so much rare as the galaxy's supply has been exhausted. One of the Living Force modules (the first one to visit the temple) mentions that the lightsabers of naturally deceased Jedi are property of the jedi temple and lent out to Padawns before they build their first (no idea if this is referenced elsewhere). Seems logical that it may be rare now but there were examples in the old era.
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No.33282
>>33174
It's possible that the material required to make or opperate it is rare, or the federation has a monopoly on said resource.
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No.33284
>>33174
They're prohibitively expensive enough that we never seethem used en masse–droideka are only ever deployed in ones and twos in the movies as dedicated Jedi-hunters.
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No.33303
>>33274
I was talking about Cortosis, not Kyber Crystals.
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No.33328
>>33173
If you're concerned about hand protection while using a polearm you've fucked up and let the other guy get too close anyway.
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No.33346
>>33303
I was too. The galaxy running out of cortosis is explicit in the Saga Edition Knights of the Old Republic book.
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No.33358
>>33346
Okay then, either way thats a very specific point; also was there ever a mentioned reason for why Cortosis was inconsistent?
Old republic tier cortosis is strictly worse than lightsaber blades, safety aside; though the retardedly strong version would have defensive upsides. However it wouldn't really do much against non-lightsabers. Extra blades would be better offensively.
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No.33369
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No.33395
I found my ideal saber and gurl
>>33369
Fuck you.
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No.33397
>>33395
A Trident probably is the best design for a polearm type saber. Putting aside the possibility of variable blade geometry, it does present a good blade-catching shape with minimal exposed mundane materials to risk getting sliced through which would make it easier to cover with an anti-lightsaber material for those sections.
Practical/10
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No.33399
>>33395
i hate you for showing this to me
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No.33400
>>33395
>yousa will never breed a gungan beauty like an ackk dog
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No.33401
>>33400
That armor is Infinitely better than the designs in NuWars.
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No.33404
>>33395
>>33397
Doesn't it share the same flaws as Kylo Fag's shitty crossguard saber? It would need some kind of protection in the areas between each saber.
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No.33406
>>33401
I don't like how pointy it is. I like to pseudo centurion helmet, but the overall design falls in the Warcraft "more spikes = cooler" philosophy.
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No.33408
>>33406
I'm pretty sure most are aware of that. I think his point was that it still looks better than the armors introduced under Disney.
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No.33409
>>33408
And I should add that that's not really saying much.
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No.33410
>>33409
What? You mean like this >>33083
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No.33414
>>33404
Considering the pointed away thing and and giant bar between the blades no it already has as much guard as it needsand an extra weakness to boot.
If you have your hand near the end of your own pole-arm you're fucked anyway.
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No.33417
>>33395
This design is flawed, as it cannot parry and deflects every blow to the shaft. Not a problem with steel weapons, a huge one with lightsabres. It would be broken apart after the first bout.
>>33404
Kylo Fag's sabre is in fact much better than literally all of the guardless ones, as it allows at least some hand protection. It has flaws, but with it you could easily do binds and parries, the bread and butter of the longsword.
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No.33431
>>33404
Ultimately it does come down to the materials of the saber, as long as it's a saber resistant material like cortosis or what have you it should be fine to have those potentially exposed catching sections.
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No.33432
>>33431
Doesn't cortosis briefly disable sabers rather than block them? Unless that's the point, in which case, weapons like that trident may actually be pretty deadly.
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No.33439
What about using more than two lightsabers through the Force?
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No.33440
>>33432
Cortosis as written by Zahn, Stackpole, and a couple others overloaded certain circuits within a lightsaber and disabled them for about 30 seconds. Cortosis as depicted in KOTOR, the Bane trilogy, and other Old Republic-era sources show it to be more like phrik or beskar–only energy-resistant, such that it will block lightsabers but not deactivate them. There's no in-universe explanation for the inconsistencies, although you can try and reason away that different purities of cortosis have different effects.
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No.33441
>>33439
With this, wielding multiple saber chucks would be possible.
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No.33442
>>33439
Wouldn't using a lightsaber saw make more sense if you're not using your arms?
Without them being near your arms you may as well just have blades everywhere.
Though i guess they would get caught on other sabers so probably not.
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No.33443
>>33442
>saw
I think what i was thinking of moreso matched the description of a wheel actually.
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No.33446
>>33432
>Take a slash at some dumbo Sith with a wtrident
>He counter-thrusts and twists, catching the balde between two of his
>Stuggling against one another
>He twists and releases the deathgrip between the blades
>Stumble forward, slicing into the emmiters
>Saber vanishes
>Get impaled like a Mon Calamari
It certainly would add a bit of extra threat to the head section.
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