No.28681 [Last50 Posts]
A thread for posting everything we can find about the movies that never were. Does anyone have anymore details on how they would have been about the force on a microscopic level? I don't understand what George meant by that. Something about the Whills?
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No.28682
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No.28683
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No.28684
>>28683
Junk Castle seems interesting. Some kind of collector of Imperial relics?
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No.28685
From James' Cameron's interview with George Lucas
>[The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force.
>Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in…. We’re vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.
>All the way back to — with the Jedi and the Force and everything — the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end. But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it.
>If I’d held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did Phantom Menace and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told.
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No.28687
>>28682
Isn't the second from Disney ideas before JJ tossed them out?
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No.28690
>>28687
No, they're all from 2013.
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No.28691
>>28687
I don't think so. From what I was told, the art depicts a Darth Talon-inspired character and another one that is or is based on Atha Prime.
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No.28698
>>28682
This already seems a lot more Star Wars than what we got. You can see Disney went back and butchered the concepts here for parts whilst managing to miss the intended atmosphere of the thing completely.
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No.28699
>>28685
>>28685
>Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did Phantom Menace and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told.
Fuck Mike Stoklasa.
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No.28700
>>28685
>Whills
>will
The sole reason I was never on board with the midichlorians is because I enjoy a bit of mysticism in stories.
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No.28702
It's interesting to see how Disney threw Lucas under the bus so that people would stop shitting on Solo.
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No.28705
>>28699
FUCK MIKE STOKLASA. THE FAT DRUNK RUINED STAR WARS
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No.28706
>>28700
How did that affect the mysticism at all?
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No.28708
>creative new locations
>characters that don't look like they got wacked with the ugly stick
>no niggers or fugly gooks
>influence from the EU such as Darth Talon
>actual Star Wars aliens
This would have been, even at it's worst 10 times better than what we had.
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No.28710
>>28705
Everyone hated the prequel trilogy, the only ones who liked it were the young kids like you. Too bad millennials are cursed to live in eternal infancy.
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No.28711
>>28700
>Whills
This crap is directly lifted from Scientology. The founder Ron Hubbard started his career as a scifi writer, and turned one of his stories into lore for a religion.
Whills = Body Thetans
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No.28721
>>28710
>being such an NPC you can get gaslit by an overweight jewtuber.
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No.28723
>>28711
That's not even close Rianfag. Body thetans are confused alien souls that attach to Humans. The Whills are an advanced alien race.
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No.28725
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No.28727
>>28710
Kill yourself, kike.
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No.28729
>>28710
All of my Boomer relatives liked them. Lots of normal people did. Internet nerds live in a bubble.
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No.28750
>>28710
I don't like TPM, but you're still a generalizing faggot.
Also I had zero hope for this sequel trilogy from the get go, even before Disney. Spielberg was heavily involved in this shit to the point where he had George tied to puppet strings, and even kept insisting that George put Kennedy in charge of Lucasfilm and have JJ direct the movie. We were gonna be stuck with the same exact shit we are now because (((Spielberg))) is an asshole.
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No.28760
>>28710
Everyone hates you, Mike. You obese untalented Boomer fuck.
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No.28761
>>28750
I still suspect JJ is Spielberg's bastard son.
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No.28762
>>28725
LMAO, George is a million times smarter than any of his critics. He was drawing from Schopenhauer and Lovelock and so many others. Wow.
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No.28764
>>28762
Technically critics are scummy and superficial people by nature.
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No.28838
>>28725
>the villain [in movies] is always the rogue police chief that says, "I don't care what it takes, you go out and get him. Buy an airplane, crash into—"
What did he mean by this?
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No.28844
>>28838
He's saying that the villains are almost always the people going against the rules, going against society, the "bad apples" of the system. In THX-1138 he rejected that and said it wasn't rogue individuals that were the problem, it was the whole system, and the perfect people in the system that were the problem, the people who followed the rules were the problem.
Basically, it's not individuals who are corrupt, it's the machine itself which is broken.
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No.28851
>>28844
Seems like fairly basic bitch Boomer politics, honestly.
It's always "the system", or "society". Just pass the blame so you're never responsible for the things you do.
>It aint my fault I turned to crime. I had to because I don't have a job, and I chose not to have a job because jobs are racist or something.
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No.28853
>>28851
Damn, you're really fucking stupid. How did electing Trump go for you? Has he built the wall? Has he accomplished anything? The system in America objectively doesn't work, you vote, and nothing changes. You follow the law, and nothing changes. Black people riot, and they get what they want. It's almost like following the laws in the a broken system is completely retarded. Enjoy your red flag laws.
George is a hell of a lot smarter than you'll ever be.
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No.28855
>>28853
I'm not American, m8e. The idea that all problems stem from "the system", and people at the bottom are virtuous by default is prime Boomer bullshit.
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No.28857
>>28855
>and people at the bottom are virtuous by default
Where was that said? Where was that implied?
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No.28861
>>28857
It's all implied. When you reduce all problems to "the system", you absolve people not in positions of power within that system of all guilt. The criminal is always the victim. The renegade is always virtuous for standing against "the system", even if he's only really out for the personal acquisition of power, and would gladly become "the system" given half a chance.
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No.28864
>>28861
The system is created by people, you idiot. Recognizing that the system can not be fixed does not absolve people in the system of their own flaws.
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No.28865
>>28864
I didn't say that either. No one is absolved of their personal failings, big or small. This is something Boomers can't seem to wrap their heads around.
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No.28869
>>28865
Boomers were known for their selfishness.
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No.29152
>>28764
Most (if not all) professional critics are frustrated beings that want to being creators in the medium that are reviewing, but aren't the enough creative or talented to make their way into the industry.
A great example of this: RLM, they want to enter in the Hellywood industry and that's is the motive that they have become a cocksucker of the big companies. But, as much as they rip apart George Lucas as one of the worst filmmakers of history (it's not perfect but it's far from that), they are far worse directors when is their turn to make such "masterful" works of "art" like Space Cop.
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No.29153
>>28700
>microbiology isn't interesting
>I just want the force to be a wobbly religious thing
lol what a pleb
George's vision would ultimately have encapsulated both and been better for it
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No.29158
>>29152
RLM is a bad example, they aren't professional critics, they're a youtube friend simulator for mouthbreathers. Roger Ebert wasn't a professional critic either, he was a shill. Real film criticism is a dying profession in our world of conformity and groupthink.
Read this redpill:
https://www.filmmakermagazine.com/archives/issues/winter2004/features/the_critic.php
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No.29163
>>29158
RLM has made his supposed "knowledgeable" of the movie medium one of the selling points and who made them distinctive between all the e-celeb critics, so I think that in the JewTube world they are a good example of what I was talking about.
I had never trust (((film criticism))) and I don't think it was never really good to begin with. I found retarded believe in the opinion of people who, for the most part, hadn't paid with their own money to see a film, and one of his points in favor of them, the supposed knowledge of what makes a film good, ends falling in what I was saying in the last comment.
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No.29180
>>29153
The sign of a true brainlet is when they think science and religion are by nature opposed instead of being fueled by one another. Midichlorians actually enhanced the mystical element by expanding upon how this mystical energy manifests itself in the universe. All the greatest spiritual thinkers throughout history were searching for truth, not just making up bullshit to placate the braindead masses. It's a shame that spirituality has become so degraded that people think being "godly" relates to rejecting reality.
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No.29191
>>29180
Midichlorians were a necessary piece of worldbuilding that had to be established sooner or later. In the OT you can kind of get away with force users being few and far between because the Empire killed all of the Jedi and suppressed their teachings, but in the prequel era, you have to explain why every person in the world isn't using the force, if all they have to do is believe, and train with an old man for like a day. So you establish that some people are sensitive and some people aren't, and you conceptualise that with the idea of the midichlorian count.
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No.29321
With the exception of Luke and Leia, all the force sensitives in George's movies come from non-force sensitive lineages so midichlorians require us to believe that force is both completely random and a heritable genetic trait at the same time like the X-Men. It's a very science fictiony idea so it sticks out like a sore thumb in what is traditionally a space fantasy setting. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, it's just tonally different from everything that came before it and that's probably why people reacted strongly to it.
>>29191
>Midichlorians were a necessary piece of worldbuilding that had to be established sooner or later.
Not necessarily, sometimes world building can benefit from preserving mysteries as much as explaining them. Although I agree some explanation would have ended up happening sooner or later. If George hadn't come up with midichlorians then somebody among the current crop of Disney writers would have tried to make their own "creative mark" on it.
>So you establish that some people are sensitive and some people aren't, and you conceptualise that with the idea of the midichlorian count.
Or you could say that the will of the force chooses it's own champions. The force is already heavily tied to the concept of fate in Star Wars so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that the force gravitates towards/creates fated individuals who will have at least a small impact on the galaxy.
It is possible to give an explanation for force users than isn't tangible but it's all down to personal preference I guess.
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No.29331
>>29321
That's basically what you have. The force favours some and not others. The Midichlorian reading gives you a way to measure that.
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No.29346
>>29331
Exactly. Midichlorians is just a name of the mechanism, it doesn't actually explain away anything other than why some people just can't into force powers.
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No.29349
>>29321
>With the exception of Luke and Leia, all the force sensitives in George's movies come from non-force sensitive lineages so midichlorians require us to believe that force is both completely random and a heritable genetic trait at the same time
I don't find it hard to believe when you look at the relative numbers. The old Jedi Order, using "first generation" force-sensitives only, grew in fits and starts, and even at the height of its power had barely ten thousand members in a galaxy full of quadrillions. When you look at the new Jedi Order, because they're going after both "first" and "second"-generation sensitives, they're able to grow much quicker, and go from just Luke to numbering in the hundreds relatively quickly.
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No.29698
>>28710
gen x here who grew up with the originals, loved the prequels.
jar jar binks is awesome, fuck the haters.
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No.29724
>>29698
I liked him well enough. I never understood the hateboner people had for him though. Even shit like Powerpuff Girls went out of their way to mock him.
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No.29746
>>29724
There's maybe one or two scenes where I think they went too far and made him actually annoying. Otherwise, he's just kind of there. If he was indeed intended to play a larger role in the trilogy as a character who takes some kind of a dark turn, it could have been really interesting.
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No.29747
>>28702
They can shit on him, but it would've at least been something different, rather than a rehash of the OT
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No.30332
>>28702
>"Compared to this, Rian Johnson saved your childhood."
Whoever this "Jonathan M. Gitlin" faggot is, I will spit tonsil stones in his soy milk before he drinks it.
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No.30443
>>28685
Sounds kinda interesting, but also he could really be trolling us right now.
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No.30453
>>28761
maybe not his bastard son but it's more than likely that any ashkenazi jew in pedowood is related to one another
>>29321
>>29331
>>29346
adding onto that, every living creature has midichlorians in them, some just have more than others. it's basically a 24th chromosome. it's also basic biology, some people are more dexterous, others have better visual memory, etc.
>>29698
>>29724
>>29746
remove the fart and poop scenes and jar-jar is a fine character. also remove the constant comic relief, a scene here and there is fine but almost everything he does is DERP LOL
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No.32846
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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No.32871
>>28700
Why is it some people are unable to understand the midi-chlorians? How does bacteria allowing some lifeforms to tap into the Force ruin the mysticism?
I genuinely wonder if this is some RLM maymay (that needs to die), or if some people are simply unable to pay attention to what is being said on screen.
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No.32872
>>32871
>>28700
It's like saying mitochondria existing disproves the existence of God; the claim makes no sense on it's face.
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No.32877
>>32871
>I genuinely wonder if this is some RLM maymay
It partly is. The notion that midis took away from the supernatural was an argument that had been floating around long before RLM, but it died out in the late 2000s with most fan communities just seeing them as a tedious way to keep jedihood restricted to small numbers. Then the RLM video came along and sort of revived the argument and the hate.
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No.32890
>>28682
Hey look, more aliens than in the entire sequel trilogy.
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No.32893
>>32871
>hate RLM for uknowingly influcence George to give up his beloved franchise
>but still like some of their stuff like Wheel of the Worst or re:Views
Their Half in the Bags are hit or miss. I feel guilty for liking them. Their Captain Marvel review was really fucking bad, being a fence sitter in the worst way and siding more with the sjws.
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No.32895
>>32893
I honestly think half in the bag is the worst part of their channel and are better off without it. Or just stick with Plinkett.
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No.32899
>>32893
>With the exception of Luke and Leia, all the force sensitives in George's movies come from non-force sensitive lineages so midichlorians require us to believe that force is both completely random and a heritable genetic trait at the same time like the X-Men.
No, you dunce, it is not ‘completely random’. If a Force-sensitive were to have a child chances are their offspring would also be Force-sensitive. If two Force-sensitives were to have a child together, that child would almost certainly be Force-sensitive.
I remember reading a defence of one of the PT films, and the writer mentioned that part of the reason the Jedi are celibate was because the Republic was worried the Jedi could become a threat if they were too many and too strong, potentially overthrowing the Republic, which explains Order 66, which was a surprise strike against the Jedi in case of a coup d’état.
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No.32912
>>29321
>With the exception of Luke and Leia, all the force sensitives in George's movies come from non-force sensitive lineages
Jedi were celibate tho, so this makes sense.
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No.32961
>>32899
Midichlorians are a cretin addition from the prequels which is completely at odds with Star Wars themes, so the argument is moot.
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No.32964
>>32961
>Science fantasy is completely at odds with science fantasy
see >>32872
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No.33060
>>32961
>the force is an energy flowing through every living being in the universe
>midichlorians are present in every living beings and act as communicators on behalf of the force
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No.33061
>>28702
Any journalist using a variant of "and that's a good thing" or "and why that's a problem" should be instantly killed.
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No.33062
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No.33091
>>33061
>Any journalist…should be instantly killed.
fixed
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No.33096
>>32961
>Midichlorians are a cretin addition from the prequels
>which is completely at odds with the strictly hereditary aspects from the first film, so the argument is moot.
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No.33161
>>33096
>doesn't know what 'moot' means, uses it anyway
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No.33168
>>33061
>Any journalist using a variant of "and that's a good thing" or "and why that's a problem" should be instantly killed.
Its clickbait garbage at its worst, right after "top 10 best/worst things" articles pretending to be news.
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No.33199
>>32961
>is completely at odds with Star Wars themes
How? Star Wars always presumed that only certain people got to be force-sensitive and that this was a hereditary thing, it was always going to have some kind of biological component unless we have some kind of soul-genetics.
Also Lucas better have intended for the final movie of his sequel trilogy to have been titled Triumph of the Whills
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No.33240
>>33199
i think he's saying it's at odds because of pic related, which it isn't.
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