No.27331
>Durge was also originally going to appear as the first bounty hunter in the 2008 Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series. Supervising Director Dave Filoni and writer Henry Gilroy considered reimagining Durge as a Human character, redesigning his alien features and keeping his armor.
I 100% consider Filloni's CGI Clone Wars abomination to be the beginning of the end for Star Wars canon. Just think about the fact that this retard wanted to take one of the coolest original alien characters from the clone wars and turn him into a generic Fett ripoff.
Is there anyone on this board that defends that show?
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No.27332
>>27331
Not really. Closest thing to defenders around here are the Ahsoka waifuists. Thank goodness Durge never appeared in Filoni's show.
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No.27334
>>27332
Why is it that the show is considered so great by the masses? Is it because they never read any of the EU?
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No.27366
>>27334
Basically it was the casuals first entry into a superficial and easy to follow version of the EU and for others it was actually "baby's first" Star Wars experience. Remember, this shit came out in 2007, kids then are now teenagers or in their early 20s. Some will even admit never having watched the films until after Filoni's cartoon.
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No.27370
>>27366
>Some will even admit never having watched the films until after Filoni's cartoon.
Palpatine dubs confirm TCWfags deserve a purging.
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No.27373
>defend
It's a hit-or-miss kind of show: the hits really hit, and the misses really miss, with a load of decent-to-mediocre as the majority. Don't know if that counts, but there you go.
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No.27374
>>27334
>Why is it that the show is considered so great by the masses?
It wass more accessible to the casuals or people that don't really know a damn thing about Star Wars apparently.
> Is it because they never read any of the EU?
This too has something to do with it.
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No.27378
>>27366
>Some will even admit never having watched the films until after Filoni's cartoon
Holy fuck
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No.27379
>>27373
>the hits really hit
Like what? What hits? What are some of the hits? Every episode I've seen took a massive dump on the canon, from bringing back to Maul, to raping the Mandalorians, to changing the Clones entirely, to giving Anakin a padawan. Honestly, where are the hits? What are they?
Cad Bane is in my opinion the worst Mary Sue I've seen in a Star Wars property, worse than even Rey. It doesn't help that he looks dumb as hell.
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No.27386
>>27379
>Cad Bane
Nigga, he's Lee van Cleef going maximum blackhat in space. You might not like Westerns.
As for the hits, I haven't seen much of the series yet, but I liked the Geonosis run, the kaiju episodes, the Clone episodes, and Sidious curbstomping Maul was fun. This is balanced out by all the derpy and wrongheaded crap which I've constantly heard of (and glimpsed), including turning Grievous into Snidely Whiplash, undoing Ryloth, and the brainchip SNAFU which I refuse to acknowledge beyond fixing "defective" clones. Aside from that, what do you mean by "entirely"?
There's a list around here somewhere of all the recommended episodes.
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No.27390
>>27386
>Nigga, he's Lee van Cleef going maximum blackhat in space
Yeah, he's a meme character, an "OC DO NOT STEAL!" ripoff of an amalgam of various characters played by an actor. He's shit.
>kaiju episodes
They did Godzilla episodes? So more meme shit. Great.
>Aside from that, what do you mean by "entirely"?
I mean exactly what I said. They changed the Clones entirely. Made them into a bunch of special snowflakes that dye their hair, style it, paint their armor, etc, etc. In the movies it's clear that they are actual clones, the various apint schemes in ROTS are due to them being on different planets, camo on kasyyyk for example, and ways for them to distinguish what squads they are with. The only clones who are supposed to be individuals are the Arc Troopers, and the Republic Commandos, because they were made that way. The Clones didn't execute Order 66 because of a chip in their heads, they did it because that's what they were trained to do, follow orders.
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No.27394
>>27390
>shit
You know, I'm going to assume that this word means, "stuff I don't like that I'm bitter other people like" and put it to bed. Fuck you and your seeming hatred of cheese, those were fun (if not particularly smart).
>ripoff
Ohhhh, like Obi-Wan is a ripoff of all those Kurosawa samurai protagonists?
>Clones
You mean the people patterned off a person with subtle genetic differences who each experience life and an ongoing war a slightly different way? Do you really think they're going to stay identical?
On the brainchips, though, we are in agreement. That was silly and unnecessary, Order 66 hit as hard as it did because the Clones chose to turn on their generals. All the little differences mean nothing if the core remains the same.
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No.27395
With disney the banking clan going ahead and greenlighting a new TCW Filoni wankfest, I think it is the most appropiate time to kick out every "contribution" from that trash heap out of the EU.
I don't think most anons are fond of it anyway, nor can I think of any worthwhile or meaningful addition to the canon, instead, I can only see a complete disregard and destruction of what was established, particularly episode III itself, plus pretty shitty storytelling without a single entertaining or redeemable element.
I rather have a thousand clones of Palpatine I like Dark Empire than anything bearing the foul stench of Filoni and his rodent master.
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No.27396
>>27394
>all this faggotry over people not liking shit characters
Cad Bane is one of at least a dozen Filloni self-insert waifu characters. He's supposed to be this super special, super great bounty hunter, who can beat up Anakin and everyone else, and can survive being shot, blown up, and everything else. The fact that you think Cad Bane is comparable to Obi Wan says a lot about you. Obi Wan was an actual character with an arc, and an interesting personality, he goes from being this wise wizard and father figure in the eys of Luke, to nothing more than a liar and a deceiver and a sham of a man who just wants Luke to kill his father. What does Cad Bane do? What's his arc? Why is he interesting? Because he has a cowboy hat? Fuck you.
Look at this faggot in his larpy hat and tell me that he didn't jerk off to Cad Bane.
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No.27400
>>27396
>Look at this faggot in his larpy hat and tell me that he didn't jerk off to Cad Bane.
He didn't. He was too busy jerking off to wolves.
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No.27404
>>27400
Goddamn he's just got such a punchable face.
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No.27410
>>27396
>comparable
Fuck you again, it was a comparison made to make anon lay off throwing bricks in glass houses. Also thank you for actually giving some details on why people should dislike the guy. Have been stuck playing devil's advocate because I haven't seen more than one of his episodes. Yes, that's a faggoty position to take, I know, but someone had to try.
>>27395
No you fucking don't. We've had this discussion before. If everything from this set of goofy goes, every other piece of goofy is up for grabs too. We relegate it to another layer of canon like the old days instead of throwing a hissy fit.
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No.27456
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>27410
It's not a matter of 'goofiness." Regardless of tone or quality, TCW deserves the trash heap because it flat-out contradicts all but three entries in the Clone Wars multimedia project, and fucks with a fair amount of the EU besides that.
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No.27457
Filloni is a parasites, tbh. Steals other people's ideas and then makes them worse and presents them as his own.
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No.27459
>>27331
What comic is that image from? I wish to know more.
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No.27464
>>27331
Realistically, I don't really hate the show at all. It was fun marathoning it after getting past the initial cringe curve. (i've crammed it somewhere in the middle of my clone wars timeline even though it doesn't even fit) but I do enjoy shitting on it when I see arrogant Filoni npcs that think it's superior to the rest of the EU, the prequels themselves or defend gay shit like brain implants or think Filoni is "lucas' apprentice"
also funnily enough my problems with the show are different than what most have I think. Even when you get past the continuity issues, one of the key reasons I prefer the clone wars books and comics (besides allowing for more depth and nuance), is because with the comics you get typically realistic artstyle which fits with the movies much more and you can imagine the correct voice actors speaking the dialogue yourself. Same with the books. It just meshes better when I fill in the gaps with my imagination and I don't have have to deal with Dee Bradley Baker or the borderline unrecognizable TCW Anakin. Hell, as versatile as Sam Witwer has proven himself to be, even Maul sounds clearly superior in TPM even though he only had a few lines. Also, there's the important fact that pre-TCW Clone Wars doesn't have the annoying self-referential vibes that TCW occasionally has. You can feel the clone wars progress and unfold alongside the films when you read and explore the original clone wars multimedia project, because that's what really happened, that's how it was released. It feels more natural. The advantage that pre-TCW clone wars also has is that its part of a bigger picture and not just the clone wars; you already know it all goes as far back as Tales of/dawn of the Jedi, whereas with TCW you want to pretend thats the case, but in reality you're just thinking "I wonder what they'll retcon next".
Anyway, for what it is, TCW is great. It's a high quality cartoon set between AOTC and ROTS and I do unironically enjoy the visionaries-inspired Robo Maul and the idea of Anakin having an apprentice for a brief while before becoming Vader. (Notice how Ahsoka and Starkiller have the same saber stance and both begin dual wielding later on? Poetry.) What I don't like is that new additions such as these didn't really get a proper ending. But then again, neither did The Force Unleashed. I also didn't mean to imply all the voice acting is automatically bad either, I just didn't like the replacements for the main characters. I like Luminara Unduli, for example.
But, once again, there's no point pretending that TCW exists in a vacuum or that nothing came before it. If you're honestly going to tell me with a straight face that you prefer reddit-tier TCW Quinlan Vos over Dark Horse Quinlan Vos or brain control chips over 150 contingency orders, or that Obi-Wan and Durge jousting in Tartakovskys clone wars is """"too much"""" for star wars and not something Lucas wouldn't directly approve of himself, I don't know what to tell you.
Also, if you really put TCW and the pre-TCW clone wars side by side, pre-TCW clone wars makes MUCH more sense and meshes far better with the movies. It feels more grounded, it's more realistic, it's more nuanced. If you add TCW into the mix, it does make the timeline more "epic", but also ironically more "cartoony". There are definitely fun and memorable storylines in there (e.g slave traders of zygerria–born out of a tcw comic btw) but it comes at the cost of continuity autism. It's an eternally unsolvable problem for those of us that like both EU and TCW. The only solution without giving up one or the other is to turn a blind eye to the bullshit and magically work it out in your head. Not really worth worrying about these days though. I just enjoy what we once had. And yeah the Durge thing is disgusting, I'm glad I didn't learn about this earlier.
>>27459
"Obsession", 5-issue series
http://libgen.io/comics/index.php?s=obsession%20star%20wars
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No.27472
>>27464
>or the borderline unrecognizable TCW Anakin
I've heard retards say TCW is better than the Prequels because Anakin acts how they want him to act instead of how he's actually supposed to act. I don't know why so many people have a problem with Anakin being an actual character, a tragic hero with serious issues, instead of being a generic self-insert swashbuckler.
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No.27473
>>27459
A really cool arc from the beginning of the Clone Wars comics.
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No.27651
>>27331
those ben-wa balls look pretty terrifying
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No.28400
Never forget what he did to Grievous. Never forgive. It could be the citizen Kane of Star Wars material for all I care. Dumpster tier for how it treated my cyborg nigga
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No.28402
>>28400
He honestly deserves an actual asskicking for that.
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No.28569
>>27459
Its from the Star Wars Republic comic series that was made by Dark Horse Comics. Issue fifty something. Combine that series with the star Wars Obsession Comics and the Revenge of The Sith Comics and you got a bunch of Amazing Artwork and Stories.
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No.28570
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>Durge
This thread needs some soundtrack…
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No.29001
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>>27331
All Filoni knows how to do is rape and butcher. Every single idea he came up with was to take a massive dump on others. Every time someone in his staff got a good idea or did anything, he would go on in and shit on their ideas. Vid related was a scene he and others originally claimed was deleted because of Lucas, but in the bluray commentary Filoni straight up admits he was behind its removal among many other things, claiming to do what he thought George might want. Piece of shit through and through.
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No.29004
>>29001
>in the bluray commentary Filoni straight up admits he was behind its removal among many other things
What was his reasoning?
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No.29008
>>29004
He claims that he didn't think it would fit with George's view of SW. Despite previously claiming that it was George himself who told them to stop. And he says this while pretending he gives a shit when really he admits he was apprehensive of using the scene from the get-go. Whenever you do something to piss off fans, just shift the blame to George.
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No.29009
>>29008
Why do you think he disliked it, though? What is it about Filoni that made him hate that scene enough to pull it?
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No.29015
>>29009
That's going too deep into the man's psyche. He made tons of silly changes that made no sense to anyone but him. He would even go against the movies and the lore for his own benefit, and Ahsoka's as well. But for some reason he really had out for Genndy's Clone Wars by turning everything Genndy made into shit or retconning it out of existence, or pussifying the Quarren.
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No.29057
>>29015
>for some reason he really had out for Genndy's Clone Wars
Because of how good it was. Genndy could do in two minutes what Filoni couldn't do in 50 hours. Filoni probably felt that the only way to make himself look good was to tear down the works of others.
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No.29090
>>29001
Does it even make sense for Revan to be in that scene? He got redeemed as a Jedi. Sure, he's in the sith history books, but why would he show up as a literal sith ghost and pretend to know or care about "the chosen one"? That entire conversation felt really out of character for him. Not surprised at all that he was cut out, because that looked like really unimaginative pandering which kotor fans probably would have hated. He should have been integrated more cleverly or not at all.
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No.29091
>>29090
I think it was based on SWTOR and was supposed to be a tie-in to that where Revan's spirit is split in two between his light and dark sides. Its possible he split again somewhere down the line or something.
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No.29161
>>29091
Ahh right, that's cool. I didn't know they were paying attention to swtor. I thought about that angle but figured it would be way too far fetched. Even so, I remember the spirit issue being resolved in the Revan expansion (maybe my memory is faulty).
I guess it makes sense considering swtor also implemented one of the planets from TCW. That talk about the "chosen one", feels a bit ham-fisted though. I can't imagine Revan keeping up with that kind of shit.
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