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No.22059
>>22053
>>22056
Its not that there's a conflict. Its the fact of how insanely huge this is getting and how many people (even people I know) have gone completely retarded and insane over it. That's what's insane.
>>22057
This.
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No.22069
>>22057
>A woman accused a man of stealing second base at 17, we should believe her on accusation alone, and stealing second base is now rape
like i said, the revisionism. ten years ago we would have seen this accusation come by, both sides would demand proof, and then it get dropped when the accuser came up empty. but given that this is the era of trump, the dems have to absolutely do everything they can to defy him because they think it will somehow reward them in the end.
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No.22094
>>22069
Can you blame them when all of twitter is basically a civilization of mongoloids
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No.22114
>>22094
actually, i don't. after all, it's in the name itself. TWITter. the creators didn't name it that on accident.
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No.22299
>>22057
>>22059
Perhaps it was my use of the word "tribes" I meant it in the very literal sense, of parities breaking up and taking what they can from any of those to weak or to slow to stop them. There's no civility because these aren't disagreements on policy within the structure but their belief in a whole new peaceful structure.
And the the left has control of the courts and largely the Senate from a practical sense, they're truly to dangerous to be kept alive, the so called opposition of the right is tone deaf and to "moral" to not enact what needs to be done, by not showing any mercy and catching the left off balance. Really this whole political order need only last a good half-century more and it won't be able to be stopped any longer due to demographics.
I don't think anything will change, I'm sure everyone ate today and didn't have to worry about the purchasing power of the paper in their wallet. Welcome to the Rakata Empire
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No.22302
>>22299
>And the the left has control of the courts and largely the Senate from a practical sense
Don't forget the media and higher education. I mean politics always had pull over them but now its so unfairly balance in favor of one side over the others that shit has become highly fucking unstable. The media has become such an empowered propaganda machine that it would make the propaganda media of the 1940s blush.
>Welcome to the Rakata Empire
All we need now is a massive planetary plague to fuck our shit up…
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No.22388
It looks ok. You guys are exaggerating
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No.22389
>>22388
>a fucking blue ellipse
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No.22394
>>22388
>Alderaanfag
Aw, just like old times
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No.22401
>>22389
>>22394
It just looks ok.
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No.22406
>>22401
No, it looks like complete shit.
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No.22415
>>22401
>looks
Have you actually seen this shit or the awful plot and one-note characters it brings? Also, this shit looks like an SFM video.
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No.22499
>>22415
Has anyone actually watched more than a few seconds of it?
Someone shred it.
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No.22501
>>22499
i'm hoping it's bad enough to spawn long form criticism videos. the videos shredding tlj were prime entertainment.
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No.22696
>A member of the #Resistance is a badass ex-TIE fighter with Imperial tattoos
>He's one hardcore hombre, but he defected so he's a good nazi
Nu-Lucasfilm seems to love this trope with a 7-hour erection. I can think of at least 3 other characters in the reboot canon that were established as cool dude Imperials who switch sides to the Rebel Alliance.
If they thought they could get away with it, they would bring back Thrawn as a New Republic naval officer and explain it as Ezra Bridger having won him over after they got stranded in wherever the fuck at the end of Rebels.
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No.22711
>>22696
Remember, Jan Dodonna, Crix Madine, Kyle Katarn, and plenty of others were ex-Imperials in ye olde canon. Defection stories happened so much back then that the fans grew tired of it.
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No.22720
>>22711
Imperial Remnant shit was incredibly repetitive as well.
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No.22722
>>22696
>>22711
They tend to drop any connections to the Empire that weren't useful to the Rebellion right afterwards, instead of keeping a tattoo and dressing up as if they were still in the Empire, flying Imperial ships. Mostly because these are the people who got so sick of the Empire they decided that betraying it was better than resigning.
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No.22723
>>22057
<a court nominee who was a White House Staff Secretary under George Bush and whos wife was Personal Secretary to the President during that time and assistant to him as gov from '96 - '99, and nominated by Bush as Judge of the US Court of Appeals for the D. C. Circuit until Trump Nominated him to the Scotus that goes against their interests
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No.22724
>>22711
That's a fair point and one I'm liable to neglect because I paid much more attention to the pre-IV EU than the post-VI part of the timeline.
I think what bothers me though is how it's delivered. It's almost like it's done with contempt for the Empire loving part of the fandom. Not even counting the mental gymnasts who want the Empire to be the objective heroes but just those of us who have fun trying to construct a rationale motive and ethos for it. Bloodlines could almost be summarized as a dialectic in which characters represented by Imperial fanboys and those represented by those armed with the right to decide canon argue the point and the former are systematically disproven step by step. Lost Stars is as much a case study in why the Empire is intrinsically evil and cannot be reformed as much as it is a teenage romance. What aggravates my almonds, though, is how the marketing virtually lied about the single player campaign for BEAttlefront 2. All of the promotional information and magazine interviews set it up as a spiritual successor to the original Battlefront 2 plot where the story told the history of the 501st and it offered insight into the Imperial perspective of the wars. DICE mouthpieces specifically described it as a story from the Imperial point of view. Then the game actually comes out and it turns into a defection story after 3 missions, one of which is about how the Empire screws over the main cast despite their patriotism and devotion. It's as much of an "Imperial perspective" as the first level in The Force Unleashed.
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No.22725
>>22723
You're not wrong–Kavanaugh is very much a Diet Coke conservative, and I would have preferred another guy like Gorsuch to get nominated over him (although of Trump's shortlist he was probably the best overall). So on the surface, it seems like they wouldn't be too unhappy about his pick. The significance of Kavanaugh, and why his nomination got the left so butthurt, isn't how conservative (or not) his positions are. They're going apeshit because his confirmation gives the court a solid 5-4 conservative majority for the first time in a very long time. Before it was 4-4, with Kennedy being a RINO swing vote that could go either way. Polite sage for offtopic, we can pick this up in the politics containment if you like.
>>22711
True, but those were balanced out in the EU by quite a few relatable Imperial characters, such as Pellaeon. And while I don't know about Jan and Crix, Kyle's reasons for defecting were far more about things that affected him personally. The impression I'm getting from these nu-defectors is that they all went through some self-hating conversion when they realized what horrid bigots the Empire was, and they should check their privilege for supporting such a problematic regime.
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No.22729
>>22725
>I would have preferred another guy like Gorsuch to get nominated over him (although of Trump's shortlist he was probably the best overall).
Same, but chances are if he picked someone more anti-liberal, there was greater risk of said candidate being rejected by the pussies in the senate.
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No.22763
>>22724
The problem is the Empire became the designated antagonist for lazy writers who couldn't be assed to think of anything different or better, and because for American audiences imperialism = evil, just like Transformers = good cinema. Not to sound like a bitter movie grog or anything, but it's the truth. The Patriot was a terrible movie, stilted in dialogue, shot erratically with a nonexistent story and an awful casting of (usually great actor) Mel Gibson, yet it was a box office hit because it had Mel tomahawking those danged evil redcoats historical accuracy be damned. The casual audience doesn't think about the nuances of imperialism and authoritarianism beyond "muh revolution means der evul". It sucks too, because amid all the cartoony goofballs we got on the Imp side we also had a lot of truly good men, not just grey or neutral, but GOOD men. Veers and Pellaeon, anyone? And many stories did touch on the Empire's good sides and the good changes it did bring. But good imperialists aren't marketable to a very bland audience with attention spans of a rabid gopher, which is why you'll never see a Nazi German campaign in a WW2 game and why some people actually believe the British were babyeating murderapists in the 1770s. Too bad those people also have the most expendable cash.
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No.22764
>>22724
>>22725
It's worth mentioning too Crix's defection story is some really, really bad shit. Like, really bad. It was told in the old WEG books: basically he wakes up and starts hating the Empire, but wants to help them, but then has to deploy a lethal virus for 404 reason not found, but decides it's evil, so he also puts it on his own men or something, and later still stays with the Empire, but wants to help the Rebels, so he helps blow up some Star Destroyers, but also kills some Rebels. They try to paint Crix as a badass Rebel hero when he's actually a bipolar fucking sociopath as written.
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No.22776
>>22764
Personally, I despise traitors in most stories for this reason. They are very very very rarely well written with believable motivations and reasoning behind their actions and there's so rarely the much needed loathing of the ones they betrayed, never that seething, smouldering contempt of "A traitor is worse than an enemy" unless it's for a single episode's plot.
Hell, I think that's part of the reason TR-8R caught on so well, one of the few times a character expressed due recognition and singular hatred for a traitor.
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No.22787
The apathy for this show is stunning. Such a silent debut and such little analysis and review of new episodes outside of the biggest outlets. Even wookiepedia contributors are slower to edit article summaries than they were with Clone Wars or Rebels. Even a bad show could get a cult following among hipsters and anti-fanbase contrarians but this series is simply boring. The 3rd episode even tried to appeal to lore hounds by including political plot points but it isn't working.
What would it look like if this were cancelled after a single season? I don't think Disney would let Lucasfilm take that kind of PR hit. There will be a 2nd or even a 3rd season just for appearances sake even if it has to be propped up at a loss.
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No.22788
>>22776
Katarn didn't botch it too badly, no? Although we don't really get to see the Empire's reaction to his going freelance.
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No.22789
>>22711
Best character was Tank who refused to defect from the Empire and slapped the shit out of Luke. Anyone wanna storytime that comic?
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No.22790
>>22787
Would it be a PR hit if no one knew about it in the first place?
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No.22797
>>22776
>finn is in a catatonic state after witnessing a wartime massacre and wants to leave so he won't have to kill people
>starts blowing up his own people not a day later cheering and hollering and laughing about it
The problem is when a traitor's only motivation or "good" quality in the eyes of the audience is that he opposes the "bad" side it makes them seem like they're hypocritical and/or psychotic, not heroic, at best, or badly written and lazily-designed at worst.
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No.22800
>>22787
It's already out? I had no idea.
>>22776
I've been reading the Michael Stackpole Rogue Squadron books, and so far they've handled Tycho Celchu very well, strapping bombs to his crappy, poorly-armed Z-95 that'll detonate if he deviates from any of the mission plans.
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No.22881
>>22789
It’s a little-known fact that copies of Star Wars: Empire will cause Marvel writers to shrivel up and die like vampires exposed to sunlight.
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No.22886
>>22787
>What would it look like if this were cancelled after a single season?
>I don't think Disney would let Lucasfilm take that kind of PR hit.
What is Tron: Uprising?
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No.22888
>>22787
Nu Star Wars is Avatar. It pleased liberals and people who like shitty CGI but there's no fanbase that really cares about it because it's so shallow.
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No.22889
>>22888
Prophetic digits. But exactly.
Disney thought we can take advantage of 40 year long nerds while telling them to go fuck themselves.
NuFans don't buy lightsabers, LMAO. They don't buy toys, they don't buy soundtracks, they won't even buy the fucking movie once or twice.
Disney chose this grave for the franchise, and now it's starting to light up back in their face.
I'm sure it PARTIALLY helped fuck Toys R US too… having tons of plastic that no one wants… there was even a speeder powerwheels FFS!!!! Should have made an adult version tho.
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No.22891
>>22797
I completely agree, another one who was terrible would be Agent "Spent-a-nightwith-a-chimpanzee" Kallus, he'd been hounding rebels for years, he had a personal grudge against P-Squad but one night of mutual preservation with their pet ape and a pet radioactive rock somehow overrides this history and makes him completely happy to betray the Empire. I hard stopped watching Rebels after that, so I don't know if he was maybe playing double agent, I can only hope, but that face-heel was terrible.
>>22788
Wish I could say, but it's been well over a decade since I last played Dark Forces, so i don't feel confident enough in saying.
>>22886
R.I.P. it was too good for this corrupt world.
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No.22894
>>22886
This. Also Tron U and Motorcity were epic as shit and didn't deserve to be cancelled. Fuck Disney.
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No.22952
>>22886
Tron ain't an IP on the cultural level of Star Wars and didn't have the political culture war undertones that the latter is being basted in. They don't care if they take a PR hit from cartoon nerds but they don't want their feet held to the fire for letting Russian Nazi Sockpuppets have a win in Current Year.
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No.22955
>>22952
If it flounders for multiple seasons that prolongs the amount of time we get to laugh at its shitty ratings at least. Hopefully it costs a shit ton to produce, too.
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No.22967
>>22955
I don't doubt there will many blunders to mock for as long as it lasts but I don't think it'll be that expensive. Disney Jewed out on Rebels despite it having Filoni's star power and being billed as the spiritual successor to Clone Wars. Even as the seasons continued they didn't invest much more into the series. If it's not an in-house property or the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they're ridiculously stingy. Minimum investment for maximum profit: The Electronic Arts philosophy.
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No.22993
>>22043
Aww man. Well, Rex was the Captain Price of Star Wars.
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No.23229
I honestly couldn't get past an episode of this crap. This shit makes Rebels look like… not-crap.
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No.23249
>>21216
It's rare that murder looks this nice
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No.23277
>>22993
Rex was trash, the whole CGI series was a garbage version of the Clone Wars. Both the comics and the 2D version were way better.
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No.23280
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No.23283
>>22789
That was one of the best SW told from the Imperial perspective. It presented us with a humanized character that had a strong devotion to duty, struggling against corruption that had infested a system that he believed in. In some ways the ImpAgent storyline from TOR was similar. I wish we had more content like this.
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No.23285
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No.23287
>we need a new recognizable antagonist
<how about a chrome stormtrooper
>yeah that's a great idea
<but we already have a chrome stormtrooper
>okay let's just make him gold like the whole background
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No.23288
>>23287
You've gotta be shitting me… This is the best they could come up with on their shitty budget?
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No.23290
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