/sw/ - Star Wars

i was down for this until the crossguard tie-ins

Is the singleplayer worth getting into for the first time at all? Currently working through KOTOR 1 and 2 for the first time.

The problem, OP, is that it's not really a multiplayer game anymore. That and the hilarious lack of difficulty makes it hard to play in general.

>>10447

The story is good for some of the classes, and at this point you can play the whole thing singleplayer pretty much (certainly the stories). Most people play it as though it's single player. Only problem is the difficulty has been lowered to laughable levels so the game becomes a bit boring as you grind through it. I'd say it's worth playing through a few stories before it gets shut down by EA when they lose the Star Wars license.

>>10447

I would highly and unironically recommend playing through the Imperial Agent storyline at least once before EA finally gets around to killing the game.

>>10441

I only liked SWTOR for playing a lightside Sith Warrior

>>10448

>>10487

Sounds good anons, I'll have to play through it after I'm done with KOTOR. Some other thread suggested that playing a Lightsider Sith was kind of lulzy so I guess I'll try that when I get around to it.

>>10489

I completely failed to see your post before posting >>10492, sorry about that.

>>10445

Thankfully nobody uses crossguard sabers anymore (at least not Dark Side players). I'm not so sure about Light Side though. However during the first 3 months of TFA, that shit was almost everywhere among retards trying to cosplay as Revan, and even now there are idiots asking for "Jakku" and shit exclusive to Clone Wars and Rebels to be added into SWTOR. But its all mostly Jakku which is just a soulless and disgusting Tatooine, much like every other copycat planet in Nu Wars. Thankfully its only the younger newfags who usually say it and a few "female" players early on before 2017 came around. A lot of the more obnoxious players disappeared after the 2016 Elections after players started spamming MAGA and other offensive memes to drive out the newfags and pansies. Now all you see in the chat is the occasional request for help, trades, casual talk and some shitposting, with the rare Jakkufag.

>>10448

You can still play with others though. But you're right, its not difficult anymore, that's for sure. They even had to nerf some companions just to create the illusion of difficulty.

I played it when it came out and, honestly, the game didn't deserve a lot of the hate /v/ threw at it. It's not great, but it's not terrible either, and it has its qualities. Nowadays, I feel nostalgic for it simply on the grounds that it's the last major piece of EU content.

It's especially fun with friends. Of course, any game is, but TOR is or at least was especially geared towards playing in a group due to the social points system, I actually wish WoW would do something like this.

I can't commend on any of the storylines because I never actually finished any - I quit playing after my leveling group disintegrated and shortly afterwards, I found out what they did with (or, rather, to) Revan and the Exile and lost interest.

tl;dr, for all its flaws, the game didn't deserve to fail as hard as it did, even though it was fun as fuck to watch.

If anyone is up to start a group, guild or whatever, I'm certainly up for it.

>>10559

Please stop typing like you're from reddit.

>>10560

>The Reddit spacing meme

This is fucking annoying and whoever started it should fucking kill themselves.

>>10561

Sorry I triggered you snowflake.

>>10561

He said "please," you ungrateful faggot, most warnings of this sort round these parts are _much_ coarser.

>>10448

don't do any side quests, just the main story. even then you will outlevel content to the point that it's hilariously easy, but it will take slightly longer to do so. Agent is a good story considering it's free, don't spend any money.

>>10559

unfortunately none of the new content can be played multiplayer, and due to the nerfs you can solo most instances as well. I think two players plus companions is as big a group as you could go pre expansion, unless your group decided not to use companions just to add artificial difficulty.

>>10563

double spacing didn't originate on reddit though, most people here who use it probably used it in microsoft word

>>10582

however, in the case of that fag above it's definitely a reddit spacing thing.

>>10583

I've literally never been to Reddit, ever.

>>10582

Linebreaking twice after a paragraph isn't uncommon, no though I think style manuals discourage it nowadays, especially if your whole text is doublespaced already. A double linebreak after every godddamn sentence, however, is pure reddit.

Another fault of the Bioware writers?

>>10441

>call me a faggot, SWTOR shill

Read my mind OP because that’s exactly what I’m going to do you fucking faggot shill.

Also, sage for a shit thread.

>>13121

>not knowing how to sage

>attempting to call someone out despite this

You're not very bright, are you?

>>13080

Holy fuck the mumbling

>>10578

Even if you're underlevelled it doesn't really matter - just set your companion to healer mode and you'll probably never die anyway

>>10441

Like the game played since day one, I've done all the class stories and agent is my favorite with commando a close second. Still play but I enjoy playing by myself and only really group for endgame content and event content, so I'm very happy with tor myself

I feel like the bounty hunter class was a lot of wasted potential. It could've been good as the agent but is ruined by its seemingly one dimensional choice of character and choices.

>>14282

That's a fair criticism and frankly I feel like it applies to 90% of this game. There's a lot of stuff that could have been good but was ruined in execution.

>>10588

Agreed. I've double-spaced paragraphs on imageboards since 2006. It's mainly the one sentence per line style that I identify with Reddit.

I’m going to re-install this, I miss it.

>>14428

Its a lot easier to grind now though. You can even do missions that once required whole teams solo. You still need a party to take out world bosses though, but a good party is hard as fuck to find now.

>>14436

I just played through both KotORs not too long ago, and I accidentally revealed the twist to myself really early on while browsing the wiki, I personally thought it held up. Combat was a quail hunt towards the end, but the "easy mode" mentality was brief enough that it didn't have a chance to go from the high of power-fantasy to the low of grindfest.

>>14438

>and I accidentally revealed the twist to myself really early on while browsing the wiki, I personally thought it held up.

Oh my bad, I thought everyone here would have played it already, I should have spoilered it.

>Combat was a quail hunt towards the end, but the "easy mode" mentality was brief enough that it didn't have a chance to go from the high of power-fantasy to the low of grindfest.

All of my playthroughs have been Flurry, Flurry, Flurry, Flurry, Flurry, Force-power, Flurry…

>>14475

You forgot master force speed at the start of the combat chain for the extra attacks. Speed+Flurry+DualWield=FUN!

>>14475

>>14485

It also helps if you have a general understanding of how D&D works and what the individual stats do. When replaying TSLRCM recently as a Jedi Guardian, I had become an unstoppable juggernaut by level 20 or so. It only got sort of challenging again when entering the Trayus academy.

>>14475

You should really do a Force Lightning playthrough some time. Who needs a lightsaber when you can kill everything in the room in 2 attacks?

I wish they'd add a jillsarian or besilisk companion (I'd rather play as one but that would be OP as fuck what with the four arms). Would beat the hell out of having to deal with that worthless shit Skadge.

>>14574

Never actually played D&D, but the thought of playing KotOR with dice has often intrigued me.

>>14672

Star Wars Saga edition is basically as close as you can get to a KotOR tabletop, feels a lot like it with a few small changes (for the good really), and it even has a KotOR setting book (though good luck buying it).

There are a few sites on the net you can find all the PDFs of the system, start here if you're interested:

http://www.theberserker.net/berserker/sw/rule_books/

Really fun to play, but you need friends who are regularly all available on a specific day to play and you'll either need to find a DM or pull up your bootstraps and learn to DM on your own.

>>14676

Thanks! Luckily I have a couple friends for that. Will try to give it a go. I'll probably end up DMing just because I know more of the general universe.

>>14676

>Really fun to play, but you need friends who are regularly all available on a specific day to play and you'll either need to find a DM or pull up your bootstraps and learn to DM on your own.

Doing this with D&D with some friends. Non of us know how to play, and I am the only one who really takes it seriously (which bother me that I take it seriously and bothers me that they half the time fuck around and the DM does too). I want to play Star Wars table top with another group of friends but they’ll never be available.

I was a big fan of KOTOR1, but never got into 2 because it was half finished and didn't want to soil the story of Revan with some latecomer bullshit. From what I've read about TORtanic, I should stay a mile away from this for the very same reason? Too bad, the talk about the imperial agent storyline had me intrigued.

>>14910

Just play Imperial Agent and uninstall. Its the only class that doesn't feel completely half-assed and incomplete.

>>14905

I don't believe there's any content to that effect, and imo that's for the best. Sheev is great because he's Sheev, trying to tie him to another character like that would just diminish them both by reducing their uniqueness.

>>14919

>>14919

I hadnt read Plaguies until recently so I always assumed there was a connection between the two too.

>>14941

There isn't as far as we know, but personally I liked the idea of there being a connection since it would make the Emperor truly feel larger than life. A true embodiment of all the evil in the universe, unless one wants to consider all the alpha sith lords to be an avatar of the collective Dark Side in some way.

>>14438

>>14475

I'm right at the very end of a playthrough of KotOR 1 right now, for the first time since I was about 10. Even with how easy the combat gets I still don't know how I finished it then, given that it was the first RPG I ever played and I had no idea what 1d6 or DC10 meant.

I feel like the Malak fight might give me a hard time this run, though I haven't tried yet. I went LS Consular without thinking about what powers I would actually have access to, and while Stasis Field and Force Wave are great at dealing with groups, they're not so useful against a single target with high resistances. The endless waves of dark jedi and sith troops in the Star Forge got decimated, and with my WIS and regen bonuses I don't think my force points have dropped below 50% since before the Leviathan, but I suspect Malak isn't too vulnerable to CC powers.

I haven't actually played KotOR 2 yet, so I'll be starting that once I finish the first.

>>14991

I guess I overestimated him. I never did manage to hit him with any force powers, but even speccing entirely into those instead of lightsaber damage it's still trivially easy to Speed+Flurry him down to nothing.

>>14910

>but never got into 2 because it was half finished and didn't want to soil the story of Revan with some latecomer bullshit

This is a very, very wrong opinion to have. KotOR2 is superior to the first game in almost every way, and it contains significant amounts of character development for Revan that adds a lot of complexity to him (hint: talk to Kreia a lot).

I would HIGHLY recommend playing the game with the TSLRCM mod installed. It restores a fuckton of cut content and fixes all of the bugs.

>From what I've read about TORtanic, I should stay a mile away from this for the very same reason? Too bad, the talk about the imperial agent storyline had me intrigued.

Play Imp Agent and ignore everything else. If you are worried about Revan's character being ruined, then don't play the Shadow of Revan expansion.

>>15022

>KotOR2 is superior to the first game in almost every way

I just finished it for the first time.

If nothing else, it depends on what you want out of the game. KotOR1 is a lot more conventional, while the sequel is something of a deconstruction. If you go into the game saying "I want to become a Jedi and go on a quest to save the galaxy from evil" or "I want to embrace the might of the Dark Side and rule the galaxy", then KotOR 1 is going to be more satisfying. KotOR 2 is what you get if you look at how the Force is supposed to connect and surround everything, and how Obi-Wan "felt a disturbance in the force" after Alderaan was destroyed, then take those ideas to an extreme.

The entire tone of the game was different and I don't think it would be unreasonable to prefer 1.

Unfortunately the ending of my playthrough was ruined by a dialogue bug, with the game skipping through all of Traya's dialogue before, during, and after the fight, and Visas' dialogue after I beat Traya. I finished the fight, selected a few answers to questions I hadn't heard, and waited for an ending cutscene to wrap things up only to have the credits roll. Felt very unsatisfying.

I will say his fear that it would ruin Revan is definitely unfounded though.

>I would HIGHLY recommend playing the game with the TSLRCM mod installed.

Just make sure not to get the M4-78 part along with it. It was cut for a reason.

I've been meaning to try it again. Quit playing for a few months after Knights of the Eternal Throne hit. Apparently the story is finally wrapping up the Eternal Empire plot and engineering a way back to the Sith and Republic conflict with the twist that your characters can switch faction.

>>15247

I preferred the first KotOR for its purity-of-vision and beauty. The music and atmosphere gives me feels that I don't get from the more cerebral approach that TSL took. Basically, I consider the I vs II contest to come down to strong emotional content vs strong intrigue. For example, in KotOR II, most of my actions are driven by logic, and thinking about the long term consequences of those actions ("echoes"); I still do this in KotOR I, but the focus is more on what feels right or wrong morally in that situation. However, i am actually incapable of doing the full dark side path through KotOR I because I actually care about the characters, and just can't bring myself to do those terrible things, whereas I have no such inhibitions with II (I care, but they still feel like 'game characters' and not real friends when push comes to shove).

>>15253

I definitely cared a lot less about the party characters in KotOR 2. There were some in 1 I tended to ignore (I hardly ever spoke to Mission, and have never done her brother quest) but they all had a degree of presence.

The party in 2 isn't memorable or impactful. Look at how HK-47 mockingly impersonated Carth if you asked him about his time with Revan. In a hypothetical KotOR 3, what would be an equivalent impersonation? I remembered Carth years after I first played KotOR in a way I will never remember someone like Atton. As another example, Zaalbar was a character, while Hanharr was a means of delivering swords to enemies while tinting the screen red.

The Disciple was most egregious for me. Maybe it was because I was Dark Side, but he basically didn't exist. I tried talking with him but I could never shake the feeling that there was no reason for him to be on my ship at all.

>>15257

>I definitely cared a lot less about the party characters in KotOR 2.

I'd have to agree there. Near all of them becoming potential Jedi didn't help either.

>The Disciple was most egregious for me. Maybe it was because I was Dark Side, but he basically didn't exist. I tried talking with him but I could never shake the feeling that there was no reason for him to be on my ship at all.

That's because he was in a very real sense tacked on. You only get the Disciple in your party if you play as a chick, and he replaces the far more organic Handmaiden character.

>>15258

>You only get the Disciple in your party if you play as a chick, and he replaces the far more organic Handmaiden character.

Why though? Why would they even change that? If they wanted an obligatory romance option they already had Atton and fucking Sion somehow so I don't understand why they'd make such a drastic change to the detriment of the character.

Especially since the female route was canonized, making Disciple the "proper" companion.

>>15278

>Especially since the female route was canonized

Yeah, canonized by people who had nothing to do with the original script or intent of the game.

>>15279

How much do you want to bet it was all because TOR was being made and somebody at the donuts and coffee meeting argued, "Well we already canonized the male Revan option so we'd better balance it out by making the Exile officially female."?

>>15281

I wonder if that decision was made by the same bums who made that Dianoga ripoff from The Farce Awakens a thing in TOR.

>>15278

Actually I just remembered something: Technically neither route is exclusively canon because the lore keepers decided to just blend them under the Exile. The "real" story is that she traveled with both the Handmaiden and the Disciple both even though you couldn't do that in the game.

>>15022

>Play Imp Agent and ignore everything else.

Sith Warrior is objectively the best class in the game tho

>>16172

What about Trooper?

>>16172

Doesn't lightside Sith Warrior create some lulzy dialogue as well?

>>16194

He does. It's also a little moving when he gets a Light Side Jaesa on his team with that attitude (even while he drives her master to a comedic fall).

>>16189

It was my first class back in dec 2011 and I always thought it felt like diet mass effect minus the charm. I can't stand General Garza either. There's something inherently uncool about that storyline. I think most troopers probably have their own subtle larp going on since the whole Havoc squad thing is kind of lame. As far as Republic classes go I remember smuggler being kind of fun, but even that storyline requires a bit of larping. At least you get Gus Tano.

Vanguard/Powertechs were really fun to play though, especially in PVP. Not quite the adrenaline rush you get as a Marauder/Sentinel, but pretty fun and effective nonetheless.

>>16197

The Smuggler class arc's second and third acts were written by Jennifer "Hamburger Helper" Heplar of Dragon Age 2 infamy. The shift in fun factor after that first Smugger act is pretty obvious to me.

>>16197

>larping

Please stop using that word if you don't know what it means.

>>16294

was it the Republic Privateer thing? Some of the companions? I may have already mentally blocked away all the gay shit since it's been ages since I played it.

>>16294

Well that explains why Smuggler got really awkward to play…

I have a question, Chiss are a playable race in the game and the Sith made contact with the Chiss before the Galactic Empire did, so how did the Chiss Ascendacy remain undiscovered up until contact with Outbound Flight if members of their race participated in the war?

>>17597

Same reason forked lightsabers are a thing.

>>17598

>>17597

And same reason we have shitty Kylo Ren-inspired armors now.

REAL TALK THO

what will be the actual end of swtor? a hefty chunk of it is voice-acted storymode. Most tourists and casual players have always played it as a singleplayer game. I doubt swtor will end with a classic case of "shut down the servers and throw it in the garbage". They will definitely do something with those assets. Maybe turn it into an offline game? who knows.

>>17605

Maybe, but then again, very few dead MMOs never did anything similar.

>>16294

That makes a lot of sense now. I thought the first chapter for Smuggler was pretty decent. After that it was just terrible. I couldn't bring myself to finish it.

>>17605

I don't share your optimism. I expect that when the game dies they'll just shut down the servers.

>>17605

BioWare's writers are wrapping up the Eternal Throne stuff with a cluster bomb of convenient plot twists to destroy everything that made the third faction single-player story feasible. Players will now be forced to choose Republic or Empire as the game returns to that conflict, but they're implying that it's a chance to switch factions if you like. This is further corroborated by the fact that they're patching all PvP to be faction-neutral. It helps with queues on a small and shrinking player base but it also breaks a much bigger taboo for the lore than even the tidal wave of fanfiction elements in the Eternal Throne introduced. Republican Sith? Imperial Jedi? I think this is the strongest suggestion the game is in its last years.

>>17607

Disney has to date only been interested in killing the EU and harvesting its organs for their Frankenstein successor lore. I have no doubt that EA already has internal development for something meant to (but won't) appeal to the TOR demographic and are waiting with one hand hovering over the kill switch.

Admittedly, I'll always have a soft spot for that game because I really enjoyed it back in 2011 until I heard what they did with Revan and lost interest. But now it's the last major piece of EU material before the buyout, so it's been really growing on me, if only because the Disney stuff is so bad in contrast.

I actually started playing again with a couple of friends and it's been a blast. Not because the game is especially fun or anything, but the F2P mode is just transcendentally brilliant. EA actually managed to apply the "so bad it's good principle" to a fucking MMO subscription model. It's amazing.

>Two action bars only

>No group or general chat

>You can't even put on equipment you find in flashpoints

The good thing is that most of the restrictions only apply to the MMO elements, so if you're in for the story you won't run into too much trouble. I'm playing an Imperial Agent right now, and I really like it so far. My toon is a Jedi Knight, that's not too bad, either so far. I also like the design of the flashpoints. For example, you can actually use your crew skills to unlock shortcuts, and it's a paradise for roleplayers due to group dynamics and being able to talk to the other faction. I won't lie, I'll miss it when they eventually shut it down.

>>17721

You get free money for that security key thing? How much per month?

>>17723

100 coins per month, even if you're not subbed. Not sure if you have to be preferred status to be eligible for gibsmedat.

>>17621

>For example, you can actually use your crew skills to unlock shortcuts

Wait really? I've never heard of that. Which flashpoints? All of them?

>>18678

We were running Hammer station. There was a drill which our scavenger could activate, and it made a hole in the wall we could use as a shortcut. Same with a computer terminal further down the way.

>>10441

Was there an update to BF2 or something? The snipers and guns sound different. Or maybe changing stereo/mono/whatnot will fix it.

I made it to Taris.

>There's a quest about the Outcast you help find the Promised Land in KOTOR

>Their numbers dwindled over the years and they eventually all died from radiation.

Way to go.

>>19427

I find it quite baffling, to be honest. They should've been the once to run Taris. It wouldn't even be that bad had they done something cool with the planet instead, but they just did nothing.

TORanon here again. I made it to the part where you free Revan. It was stupid as hell, but also a lot less offensive than I'd have thought. I think that's a bit of a theme I'm noticing. While the writing is all over the place (sometimes dull, other times interesting, sometimes pants-on-head-retarded or just generally underwhelming), I haven't found any parts yet that have actively stopped me from playing. There's other games that I actually had to put down for a bit when the writing became unbearable, but so far TOR hasn't been one of them. That's something, I guess.

Also, I just found out about the joke dialogue you can get in KOTOR II. This game really is a gift that just keeps on giving. Embed related.

>>19728

Did Bioware go to shit before or after EA?

>>19733

>>19733

After. Mass Effect 1&2 and Dragon Age Origins were released shortly after the buyout and were great. Then came Dragon Age II. Then came TOR. Then came Mass Effect 3, then it was over.

What people tend to forget, though, is that TOR wasn't even really made by BioWare. Back in 2007, EA re-named a whole bunch of studios to BioWare, like Mythic Studios to BioWare Mythic, or Victory Studios to BioWare Victory. For TOR, they opened an entirely new studio and called it BioWare Austin. That explains how the game was so shoddy in the technical department the studio actually never had made a game before. Why they didn't give it to Mythic, who had made Warhammer Online and Dark Age of Camelot before I will never understand.

>>19753

>Dragon Age Origins

>good

Mass Effect was the start of the decline, maybe even a little earlier since Jade Empire was a wet fart nobody remembers.

>>19762

Speak for yourself, m8. DA:O is a legit good game and one of my favorite RPGs. But that aside, I think we can agree that the rot set in around the time of the buyout.

Also, I don't think Jade Empire really county because as far as I know (I haven't played it even though it's sitting in my GOG accoun) it wasn't bad or anything, but the setting was a bit far out and apparently didn't really resonate with people.

>>19788

I liked it for its combat, but if you get past that and the setting, it's basically a much shorter KoTOR.

>>19788

I liked Jade Empire but I'm also just gay for East Asian stuff. It did feel like it started rushing itself at the halfway point too, though the twist ending was actually pretty good as far as those go.

>>19788

DA:O takes itself too seriously. I remember watching some twerp from Bioware play a demo of it, kill an Ogre with a finishing move, then declare, “this is an ADULT fantasy game!” as if this was somehow some gritty edgy shit.

When Demon’s Souls came out it made Dragon Age look like a Gender Studies class where everybody got an A.

>>19795

>DA:O takes itself too seriously.

I do have to agree about that. All the brutality and grittiness comes across as really forced, and a lot of the marketing material was just cringy. They even had a trailer set to music of Marilyn Manson. Laughable.

The thing is that it's not as bad within the actual game. Most of the time it's not being shoved into your face that your playing a br00tal advlt RPG, it all comes together pretty nicely. There's also enough comic relief with characters like Alistair, Oghren, Sten and Zevran.

>>19807

I remember the game as being okay, but still being fairly ‘woke’ and preachy (though not as bad as the later games).

>>19808

I don't want to derail the thread, but I think you might be misremembering. I've played the fuck out of that game, and there's very little to no SJW pandering beyond the usual fantasy stuff. The only thing that would come to mind is Zevran hitting on your character regardless of gender, but I always took that as part of his character.

>>19876

>I'm starting to wonder if half of the hate for SWTOR is actually valid

Nah, it is. Just because cucks are outraged (which they do about everything) doesn't make the serious flaws in the game non-existent. I mean the engine alone and how it can't handle PVP of any substantial number to save it's life makes it a bad MMO. Could have been a good single player RPG but then they shit it up with the WOW 2.0 combat which makes everything feel less satisfying and more like a grind. By the way I say all this as someone who has been playing since launch and actually likes the game, but saying ALL the criticism isn't valid because snowflakes gotta get triggered is insanity.

>>10524

>cuckold

Inquisitor blows Warrior out of the fucking water, but Bounty Hunter is something special

>>19876

I hate SWTOR because of it's lore

>People liked Revan right?

>LET'S PUT REVAN IN A DISCOUNT STAR FORGE!

>LET'S PUT REVAN ON DROMUUND KAAS 'CAUSE HE'S THE BBEG NOW :OOO

<What about the Jedi Exile?

>LMAO WHO? FUCK THEM

SCOURGE STAB! NO MORE EXILE!

<What would a conversation between the Exile and Revan about Malachor V and a reflection on the Mando Wars in general look like?

>WHO GIVES A SHIT! JEDI EXILE FANGIRLING OVER REVAN? SOUNDS GREEEEEEAT

<Alright, let's make a powerful ancient Sith lord to constantly fucking reference

>SWEET! TULAK HORD WAS A SITH LORD BEFORE MARKA RAGNOS WHO KILLED LOTS AND LOTS OF JEDI!

<but the Sith only met the Jedi after Marka Ragnos' death and the Great Hyperspace War

>THAT LORE'S STUPID!!! IGNORED

<Okay, let's make the Jedi Consular story

>OKAY I GOT AN IDEA!

>WE HAVE THE "PLAGUEMASTER" :O!1

>HE USES THE DARK SIDE TO CONTROL YOUR MIND AND TURN YOU TO THE DARKSIDE! <:O

<but you can't force someone to the Dark Side, it has to be a conscious choi-

>SHUT UP

I honestly like Tulak Hord and Kallig's story, and if they were to replace stories of him fighting Jedi with stories of him unifying squabbling Sith he wouldn't shatter the lore of Star Wars.

Plus, everyone here can agree that Reborn Revan'd only have to worry about Vitiate deciding to fuck him up, not Nox or even the new Wrath.

>>19879

I didn't say ALL. Just about half. Since these buggers are like a plague that seemingly make up about half of the internet community.

>>19880

To bad Bounty Hunter starts going to shit once you get to Belsavis.

>>19882

Ah, I see, but I'd still say half is generous, the game got shit on for good reason.

>>19881

stop crying about TOR-lore its fine

also, the Revan book is great and nobody even likes meetra surik

>>19888

>stop crying about TOR-lore its fine

I wouldn't say its fine either, but Meetra is pretty meh though.

>>19889

its fine, bioware is our best hope for new legends material and I actually like it alot

>>19889

>>19888

>>19888

>>19889

That's one of SWTOR's biggest failures

The Jedi Exile had so much potential to be a fantastic character but they dropped any chance of it to build Revan up desptie the fact that he didn't need that at all, and then they ended up butchering Revan too

>>19891

Well I will say that Revan was best left to rest in peace, maybe only appearing as a spirit or through visions, and if Meetra could've been the pick for the shitty star forge story, I would've preferred than make Revan a bitch.

>>19890

True enough, however the problem is they occasionally try incorporating shit from the new movies, like the crossguard lightsaber, a Kylo-Ren (and others) inspired outfit, and that Dianoga copycat octopus from TFA.

>>19892

The problem is when they fuck up they fuck up big. (Tulak Hord)

Most of SWTOR's self-contained (ingame era) lore's okay, every story except the consular one doesn't directly conflict with in-universe rules.

And you're right, bringing Revan back 300 years later was a mistake, and underusing Vitiate was a major misstep.

>>19894

>and underusing Vitiate was a major misstep.

That was probably as bad or worse than bringing back Revan.

Bringing back Revan for the base game was transparent but understandable hype generation. Making an entire expansion based on doing it again should have been vetoed. I didn't mind how they characterized him for the foundry arc, though, because keeping him a canon Stu to satisfy my inner 14-year-old wasn't a priority. Splitting his ego into dark and light aspects that somehow recreated his body without explanation, on the other hand, was never going to make sense.

>>19876

>I'm starting to wonder if half of the hate for SWTOR is actually valid

Eh, sort of.

I wouldn't call it terrible. It has some good stuff in it and is far from unplayable or anything.

I think when it came out it just was the perfect storm of failing to live up to the hype, the shoddy engine, the lackluster writing, the fact that it wasn't really a MMO, rather a solo RPG with multiplayer elements, the fact that it was a pretty blatant WoW clone, or /v/ whipping themselves into a frenzy because EA took such a massive hit because of that game. It's not good, far from it, but it's not the worst thing ever. But maybe that's just me, because it will always hold a special place in my heart.

I will say that every complaint about the writing is perfectly valid. Also,

>The problem is when they fuck up they fuck up big.

That is spot on.

>>19762

All Bioware games followed the same storyline, with locations switched around a bit. It's not necessarily that their earlier games were bad, it's just that they kept making the same game over and over and never changed the paint job. They never improved, and meanwhile their staff was gradually replaced with incompetent cliquey social justice types.

>>20018

Imperial Agent and Sith Warrior are the best way to go honestly. Would gladly replay it all over again if I had the time.

>>20034

I've done Imperial Agent story 3 times now and enjoyed the hell out of it every time. It's a casual MMO but there's something comfy about it, and the Agent's story is great. It's also great to play mindlessly while I'm stuck on work calls.

>>20059

Fuck I wish I had that much free time.

>>20034

they're definitely two of the best classes with some of the best pvp utility. I maxed out every class but I had the most time spent on juggernaut, marauder, sniper and operative (plus maxed out their respective mirror classes). The republic versions are fine otherwise but for singleplayer-only users, their actual class stories just don't hold a candle to the imp offerings.

>>20163

>Pokemon: Gotta Catch Em All: Force Ghost Edition

no it was shit

I want to play Imperial Agent but which class should I go with? Sniper or Operative?

>>21486

Operative, unless you actually like wasting a bunch of time in completely meaningless, non-threatening fights with trash mobs.

>>21487

>>21486

I went sniper and really didn't mind. I mean they're trash mobs in TOR which means they go down in one AOE. But yeah go Operative if you want the stealth. If you're like me and for some reason care about your build look up builds and see which one fits your playstyle. I enjoyed sniper for the amount of damage I could lay down, but kind of a waste since I only used it on heroic bosses given PVP is pretty shit on this terrible engine. Hero Engine is TOR's biggest flaw.

>>21506

>>21487

I decided to go with Operative. I'm surprised how fast I'm progressing with it thanks to stealth while still getting a shit ton of EXP. However I decided not to go with the healer path since I hate healing.

>>21509

Have fun, Agent is fun playthrough. My only suggestion is consider playing it like James Bond and attempting to flirt when it gives you the chance.

>>21509

My main character is a Virulence Operative. In my opinion it's one of the most fun classes to play.

>>21509

You didn't pick a Chiss, I hope. I know they're perfect for the role, but being an 'undercover' agent who belongs to a race known to be loyal to the Empire, well, that's just bad writing.

>>21536

My Chiss agent always wore a mask to obscure his face from his early days assuming the title of "The Blade". He also eventually turned actual double agent against the empire.

>>21506

>look up builds and see which one fits your playstyle

didn't they remove builds/trees like 4 years ago? lol

WTF happened to the casino?

>>21564

No, there are specializations which you pick based on your sub-class. Mind you, there is usually only one correct option and everything else is lesser degrees of effectiveness.

Is Knights of the Fallen Empire shit and gay? Is it worth my time? Also what's EA's shitty explanation for all the tech in SWTOR being on par or more advanced than the films and future media and somehow being ridiculously more advanced than Kotor? As well as aliens and locations that should not have been discovered yet existing in the Republic? Normally I could believe technology being set back a couple of centuries or more if some grand catastrophe occurred but it seems a good chunk of the galaxy has been mapped out already so I find it hard to believe that so much tech progress could have been lost for thousands of years if such an event did occur since records of such bullshit should've survived on many planets and even the holonet is shown to exist at this point so that info should have remained preserved unless there was an extensive period of creative and technological stagnation. So what was EA's explanation for their laziness?

>>21570

>>21570

For anyone who doesn't want to watch that video (you should, it's good) the TL;DR on the tech question is that the Great War which TOR is about included several world and galaxy destroying weapons and the war it's self was so intense that it wiped out most technological progression sending the galaxy in to a sort of dark age tech-wise, a dark age which it's still recovering from in the Prequels and OT. This fits with TOR's storyline as you encounter crazy weapons of mass destruction at every turn (doubly so if you're playing a Jedi Knight as the whole story is basically surrounding WMDs on both the Imperial and Republic side).

>>21582

>which TOR is about

Correction:

>which TOR is leading to

TOR is about the cold war before the Great War (though I see them as the same conflict, one is just building to the other).

>>21571

>>21582

Thanks for the info. But what about Knights of the Fallen Empire? Is it worth giving a shot or is it as awful as everyone says? What about the other 2 new storylines?

>>21585

I thought the story line was really good besides it not making any sense with the whole (random galactic power from the unknown regions we didn't know about lol) There were actual choices in the story and it felt a little more like KoTOR. It's been a long time since I've played it but I throughly enjoyed the quests, the second one (eternal throne) wasn't as good but they were still better than any other expansion imo and better than some original quest lines.

Hopefully I will meet someone in Uni this year that I can start playing swtor with again.

I honestly think the game's graphics looked better when it launched.

>>21910

Can't you make your own goddamn decisions you fucking casual

The Empire is still worth being loyal to even if the SIth aren't, in the same way that it was right to be loyal to the Third Reich but not to the delusional people in its upper echelons

>>21910

I turned around and went full lightsidefag when I found out and honestly wasn't disappointed, it's fun playing a lightside imperial as I imagine it would be fun playing a darkside republic (think I'll do that when I do my trooper run) and giving my character an actual arc was a change from my previous play through of LOLPUREEVIL!!!1 Only thing I should advise is that it's not like the plot will take a massive 180, and it's barely mentioned in later expansions if you do decide to turn (though it is mentioned a bit).

>>21912

>The Empire is worth being loyal to

What? You mean the Sith Empire that won't even exist in 1000 years and likely wiped it's self out from double crosses? Yeah, very worth serving. Just like the Third Reich.

>>21919

No government lasts forever, trooper.

Which light side class is fun?

>>14264

Is your name Daryl?

Why won't they just make a good Star Wars game where I can play as a Sith Pureblood?

So I heard that a new expansion is going to be out next year that's going to be completely Empire vs Republic focused which just shows how incompetent they are with this whole thing. Why the fuck would your character who just spent the last two expansions becoming Emperor of an OC donut steel third faction that has already been show to be more powerful than both of the factions decide to bother choosing a side? Should never have went down that bizarre Zakuul path and kept things to the theme from the start.

>>22816

Maybe he is. I mean like, how many of us are even left in SWTOR? Most can recognize a senior player on site due to their regular activity. Most worlds nowadays only have about 10 or so active players. Only places that even have a hundred or more players left are the space fleets, but even their numbers are a far-cry from the numbers the fleets used to get.

i really wish they would make swtor into a fully offline game, just release all the content and kill the servers.

>>22903

I was thinking about that too, but I doubt anything of the sort will happen in a long time. They're putting out a new (old) EU planet (Ossus Jedi Temple) and there's gonna be new storymode stuff in 2019.

>>22904

Is it just me or is SWTOR trying to become canon? Some of the new codex entries make references to aliens or terms mentioned in the Disney movies, some of the new mounts are based on ones from TFA, there's those shitty Kylo Ren lightsabers and costumes all over the damn place, and making a female jedi with a crossguard saber a major character, and I keep hearing rumors of Jakku being thrown around in SWTOR despite that its just a shittier tatooine with a star destroyer on it.

>>22909

More likely that Disney would be exerting some executive pressure on the devs to try and bring the game into line with their new canon requirements.

God knows that CBS is doing to to Star Trek Online's devs.

>>22909

>SWTOR trying to become canon

The game's former greatest weakness is now ironically it's greatest strength. SWTOR used to be fucking dogshit because it fucked with the KOTOR games canon and basically ripped apart KOTOR II in an attempt to parasitically leech off of the game's popularity but now it's all "non-canon" due to Disney so SWTOR has the luxury of still existing in the far superior old-EU.

>>22909

i honestly thought it was dead already

>>22928

>trying to shove in Disney Canon garbage into itself.

You got me, I don't know what to say about that. I hope they don't go all out with that shit because I'd still like to return to the game someday.

for those interested in SWGOY you can get the revan and hutt cartel expansions for free with this reddit thread https://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/9pn2gn/the_code_to_unlock_the_free_swtor_rise_of_the/?fbclid=IwAR0899L3ewcs8Ut__VYZ6HtfwYByNlXgN82KDONCtc7TmCC4otyaoNtzRZA

>>22936

Fair enough, I hadn't heard about any of the planets, aliens and mounts and I don't know enough about the disney movies to recognize them anyway. Hopefully the cancer stays contained to e-shop faggotry and doesn't leak out into the story content I really don't want to have Rey's Mary Sue great great great great great grandmother lecture my Sith Warrior about space feminism.

>>22936

i'm assuming that's on tatooine? might as well add jakku to the game at this point since they've already put that shit in it.

>>22936

Oh cool, they added rey's gimped version of a speeder

>>22942

Maybe the weebshit has rotted your brain but I'm saying the exact opposite of something positive about Disney. I'm saying Disney is so shit it makes SWTOR look good because at least it retains a lot from the old EU and doesn't have to be attached to the disney EU.

They are resurrecting Darth Malgus as resuscitated cyborg thanks to some unholy alliance of the Dark Side and sufficiently advanced technology. I think it's safe to say that they've stretched the story to its limits and are making 6.0 with the expectation that it will be the final expansion they get to do.

https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/news/jedi-under-siege-storyline

>>22949

Well fuck me then. Luckily I play a Sith but I can't imagine what it's like having to play as the good diverse and tolerant guys I'm sure it's filled with that shit. At least I can tell faggots like Koth to fuck off and die.

>>22953

>>22949

She's really not like that. She doesn't have enough of development or presence to even have the chance.

You get a few conversation choices before accepting or rejecting her into the Alliance which mostly establish her background as a "Jedi maverick." Not a feminist lecturer but rather the same stronk Grey Jedi who don't need now council we've seen in countless other EU stories trying to go against the grain and even more badly written fanfics.

>>23475

Is that the one one the jedi planet? I might check it out if I have enough time. Any new armors accompanying that update?

>>23487

Yes, Ossus. There is at least the merciless seeker armor set. They always have something I think. I'm personally most interested in returning to the personal conflict between Jedi and Sith.

>>23475

Yes. I really only play for story content, so I haven't touched the game very much lately except to play through a few other class storylines. Really looking forward to some fresh material.

>>23869

>My fucking mailbox is going to be full of shit.

I doubt it. I haven't touched my account in 5 years up until recently, and when I came back I only had like 2 messages.

>>23870

Every time I come back I have at least a dozen messages, none from real people. >>23870

>>23875

Same. It's fucking hilarious to see people sitting by the first mailbox using their sub rewards before walking off in kitted out gear and an OP companion. By the way, what server do most of you play on? I'm on the supposedly "toxic" Satele. Maybe I'm not an over sensitive faggot who actually believes in "toxic gamers," but I don't notice jack shit in terms of terrible players. I mean, last night we were discussing the (((Muun))) question and which comp is the most fuckable.

>>22938

I've actually seen a few people dumb enough to suggest that. Especially after the kylo ren costume was revealed. Seriously it's just Tatooine with a giant Imperial Star Destroyer on it.

>>24001

Maybe I need to look into a server switch. The last time I was on they were arguing about drumpf being literally Hitler in the general chat.

>>24008

You were probably on Star Forge then. I think that's the more "inclusive" one. Also depends on the time of day. I was on at about midnight on Dromund Kaas so that was probably why all the tards didn't have their wranglers. During the day on the Republic side though, I was called out for calling someone an autismo, the tamest of fucking insults. The faggot was whining about how autist became the new retard and I had to tell him that only low IQ faggots get called retards. When you act autistic and aren't obviously stupid, I'll call your autistic ass autistic.

>>24001

>Same. It's fucking hilarious to see people sitting by the first mailbox using their sub rewards before walking off in kitted out gear and an OP companion.

I like to rp (only with myself rp guilds or people who rp in chat are autists and not the good kind) so I save all my sub gifts until I’m a decent level.

>By the way, what server do most of you play on? I'm on the supposedly "toxic" Satele.

I just logged on for the first time in well over a year and I guess I’m on the same server, for some reason there’s only two NA servers now, I think I used to be on harbinger though. I don’t remember a server called Satele Shan before so I guess all my chars got moved over and they deleted a bunch of servers because low pop?

>Maybe I'm not an over sensitive faggot who actually believes in "toxic gamers," but I don't notice jack shit in terms of terrible players. I mean, last night we were discussing the (((Muun))) question and which comp is the most fuckable.

I recall my old server being fairly chill. I only had one high Pub character but I remember pub side being much more sensitive while only the imperial fleet had people whining about anything offensive.

I’ll probably look to re-sub and start playing again within the next month. Though I might wait for semester break so I don’t fuck myself with finals coming up.

>>24017

Yeah. Harbinger was merged with a bunch of dead RP servers. Apparently the inhabitants of the new Satele server bullied the fuck out of the RP autists and so the RPfags moved to the Star Forge.

>>24018

That’s good I was sick of rpfags in the chat every time I was on the fleet, and you call them autists and suddenly dozens of butthurt whispers. I like to RP in almost every game I play, it helps for immersion and escapism but it’s strictly in my head, pretending you’re actually a sith and replying to everything in charter is multiple levels of retarded.

When I was in high school I used to work at a local paintball field and whenever we had large groups of airsofters come in they all pretended they were in the military and like they were real oper8ors. One faggy group in particular was run by some brit who claimed to have served in Afghanistan and took a .308 to the knee yet had literally no issues walking and sprinting. They made all the kids and other fags do a mock parade before each day they came out to play. That’s probably where my pure disdain for RPing fags came.

>>24011

>You were probably on Star Forge then

Yup

>about midnight on Dromund Kaas

And double yup so I guess that explains it. My mistake for choosing a server based purely on the name I guess.

>>24020

Sometimes the RP servers were fine. I was mostly on the Ebon Hawk server before the giant merges and the people on there were noticeably better than on any other one.

>>24025

I honestly prefer RPfags. You try to form a team and all those fucks will be doing is talking about Shrek is life and Fortnite, or worse, Disney shit.

>>24029

Speaking of Disney, there is a huge anti-Disney sentiment on the Satele. That's one of the main reasons I'm staying on there even if its population is quite small compared to Star Forge.

>>24030

Makes me wish I hadn't set up all my characters on the same server. Fuck Star Forge. Nothing but Disneyfags and Kylo Ren cosplayers half the time.

bioware sneaking in classic /prequel memes/ into the new trailer for the ossus update. Pretty based even though I have no idea what the fuck is going on with the story at this point.

>>26038

>>26042

I haven't played any of the newer expansions but I always loved Malgus in the base game. I liked his voice, his style, I remember liking his ideals and wanted to join his cause. Is it bad that they brought him back? What happened?

This is Darth Malgus of the Expeditionary Fleet. I bring greetings from the blah blah blah Sector. You are now reading this message in my voice.

>>26044

>>26042

>What happened?

They don't explain it. The dude literally just shows up inside a cargo pod and acts like his entire character arc from before doens't matter. He's apparently an Imperial patriot now and seems blindly loyal to the new Empress. You can ask him how he survived and his response can be summed up as "that's not important right now, but even if it were you don't actually want to know and I wouldn't tell you."

I hope he never shows up again. He was a good character before but I felt like his story was satisfactorily completed and I don't see the value in resurrecting him.

>>26045

Thanks buddy.

Inquisitors can now get some of that big Dashade cock from Khem Val. Biggest twist in the entire update by far.

>>26038

>bringing back Malgus

They really are going full speed ahead with trying to drag this story kicking and screaming back to what it was at the start after spending every expansion boldly writing themselves as far into the corner as possible.

>>21585

It expands Vitiate's characterization in a really original, and I would even say profound, way. It essentially posits the question of whether or not an all powerful sociopath would eventually find themselves inadvertently cured of their sociopathy via their own relentless will to power. Basically - Vitiate is an unfeeling psycho - but he's a psycho who wishes to gain ultimate power via sense experience in part. The base game hints at this when Vitiate claims he will use his immortality to experience the life of "a slave and a craftsman," rather than simply that of a sovereign. During his sojourn in the unknown regions, Vitiate then essentially teaches himself feeling and companion in his quest for ultimate power and has a family.

The game then proceeds to ruin this unique journey of self discovery by having him go: "lol actually I was still evil all along!" even though this outlook no longer makes logical sense. It's a real shame. They had something genuinely novel and they threw it away.

>>25684

>expansion led by two STRONG FEMALE characters

>more faction bullshit even though this totally undermines the story thus far

>play as either side! le subverted expectations.png

The worse thing about all of this is that they're clearly so lacking in confidence in their own property. They have resorted to emulating WoW at a time when even WoW is receiving flak for releasing one of the most uninspiring expansions yet. How fucked do you have to be to try and copy even the mistakes of your competitors?

I thought the femoid Sith Empress was bad enough but Jedi Master Lakenya may take the cake.

>>26089

Well it was known as TORtanic for a reason. I still can't believe this is the only EU material left. This piece of shit is becoming no better than Disney, and each new update just keeps trying to bring in more Disney goods and references.

>>26083

People bitched and moaned about the latest expansions, but frankly I found a lot of the writing in most of KotFE, and the first half of KotET, to be some of the best in the entire game. I was looking forward to leading a ragtag band of freedom fighters in the depths of Zakuul while simultaneously discovering the secrets behind the Sith Emperor and his rise to power.

Instead they forced my character to become emperor of nothing in particular, then destroyed everything he had built anyway so they could hamfistedly return the galaxy to a struggle between the Empire and Republic. I feel like they rushed a lot of content for these expansions to conclusion because people were upset, and in the process of doing that they wasted much of the potential that was there.

>>26090

The nigger? I was 100% a piece of shit to that bitch, the imperial twi'lek and even freaking malora are more likeable than that nigger whore.

>>30538

The Republic side has some genuinely awful storytelling. You can tell that they put most of their efforts into writing the Empire side as they needed to flesh out a newly introduced faction. The Trooper is a boring ZOGbot tier wank and the smuggler is downright fucking atrocious in terms of writing. Only saving grace of the smuggler is the sarcastic and joking responses that you can give and even then, the Inquisitor has them beat in that department by miles.

>>30540

I found smuggler to be pretty underwhelming, yeah. Only saving grace was getting to complain about muh ship every story conversation. Kinda funny.

>>30548

I liked the fact that you could bang Skavik's brains out before splattering them across the walls if you were a woman.

>>30539

classic bioware quality dialogue

that video is totally true btw, I remember seeing it years ago and really laughing at it. Looks like the animation is supposed to be a mix between the first republic and imperial flashpoints.

>>30538

>Bounty Hunter

couldn't stand Mako tbh. I liked aspects of the the BH story, but I think the main problem was that the game has companions, which is fine for other classes I guess but with the bounty hunter it feels cooler to be alone. Maybe 1 sidekick or 2. This is why I like the old Jango Fett game.

>Consular

the female voice actress sounded really cute, really calm and collected and while it was great that it wasn't a shallow power-fantasy tripe like the boring Jedi Knight story, I have to admit I can't remember a single thing about it.

>Saving Agent for last since its supposedly the best of them all.

The Agent or the Warrior. Ultimately I think the Warrior is simply more fun, it feels like it had the most effort put into it. It could probably be its own singleplayer game. A lot of people like to play a lightside Warrior because it's surprisingly realistic/pragmatic, but I recommend just picking honest choices since alignment is irrelevant in swtor. If I remember correctly, I was equally surprised at how nuanced and funny the dark side choices were for the warrior as I was surprised at the light side stuff. It's definitely a class where you don't feel bad for picking "the wrong choice" in a dialogue scene. They make sure the player character always appears like the smartest guy in any situation. Not disney/marvel-type quippy either, just plain funny, smug and cool and ahead of the curve with plenty of authority. The inquisitor is similarily entertaining too but I can't remember what it was lacking. The Jedi characters though? totally impossible to pick any dark side choices, otherwise you'll just get cringy video related type situations:

>>30539

>>30561

The Consular has some really impressive Dark Side choices that are far more dark than any Sith DS choice in my opinion. Darkest one being the Imperial doctor you find on Hoth. You can either extract him to safety and he gives you the information willingly, or you completely twist and destroy his mind, forcing the information from him and then leaving him to die while his brain slowly melts to goo. Now that's fucked up, even to a Sith. Zenith really liked it though :^)

>>30561

I wouldnt mind a new KOTOR RPG these days…

>>30606

Have you been in a coma for a decade or two? You don't realize the pozzed bullshit you're asking for. Remember, it's not the 2000s anymore, Bioware and Obsidian have been absolutely ruined in the current year. More the the point the license is currently owned by EA, so an EA rpg likely with microtransactions or something is what you'd end up with. Much like asking for a modern Star Wars movie, asking for a modern KotOR is just asking for trouble.

I actually liked the JC storyline since it's a nice change of pace from the typical action hero, and I liked how the male smuggler could sleep with every other female npc.

>>30995

>I liked how the male smuggler could sleep with every other female npc.

Check out the Imperial Agent some time, pretty much the same thing only with more Bond in there.

>>31005

I've done both, but the imp doesn't get the chance to sleep with a senator.

>>30995

Jedi Consular: I hate how it how late I got Nadia

Agent: I find the part where you run around as a robot (Nar Shadar) pretty amusing

The Agent storyline was unironically fantastic. The only parts I hated were the mind control chapter (seriously, they spend the entire story talking up Imperial Intelligence as the baddest James Bond/Navy SEALs in existence, you'd think that resisting it would be a part of the training process) and the very end of the basic storyline

>Hello, my nemesis. I have you broken, beaten and at my feet. I have spent the entire game chasing you, being beaten to the punch by you, you have cost the Empire countless lives and millions of credits, and I have spent the entire game telling you that when I finally catch you, I'm going to kill you

>You're at my feet and I have won

>Dialogue options:

>NEUTRAL: Good job, but I did better

>NEUTRAL: Get out of my sight.

>DARK SIDE: (Kill her)

>LIGHT SIDE: I love you. (Kiss her)

I get that Bioware shoehorns romances into every possible nook and cranny but that was just fucking retarded. Other than that it was like a less broken space Alpha Protocol and the writing was fucking awesome.

>>31445

Yeah, I don't think learning how to resist an experimental mind control technology that was covertly being developed for the sole purpose of controlling other agents would be a part of the agent's training. Watcher X was 10 times the agent you were and he still got thrown into the slammer just for being too good at his job.

>>31448

I played almost exclusively with a friend since the first year it came out, I haven't finished many story-lines as a result because we had to find times when we could both play, but I have really good memories because of that. I really want to go back and play but it's trash as F2P, but I really have had an urge to go back for months now. Though I'm sure it won't be nearly as fun alone.

>>31528

i was a subscriber of the game that's how much i liked it(also i wanted to play the new expansion "Knights of the fallen Empire and "Knights of the Eternal Throne" so i didn't have those stupid limitations

>>31544

I've played as F2P for maybe 1 day, when I started it was by sub only. And yeah for those two expansions I played them solo on my agent but everything before that was with my buddy, maybe after finals I'll pick it up again.

>>31548

Back playing, I forgot how much of a grind the first two planets are.

>>31692

the first two?

The grind is not as bad as it was a couple of years ago (especially when it it had a subscription model). I read all you have to do in the main planet quest and you will be strong enough for the main quest.

What i did are the H2/H4 quests that you can do alone to get level 50. (i have all expansions)

NEW ACTUAL EXPANSION ANNOUNCED

I'm not holding out too much hope, but seeing as the new real improvements they've been adding recently, I can see they are at least trying to keep what is left alive.

Now for the juicy details.

New Storyline

New Planet - Onderon

New Planet - Mek-Sha

New Flashpoint - Corellia

New operation - Dxun

New Species - Nautolan

New Level Cap - 75

So now we have squid bros, a new level cap, KOTOR II planets and a return to Corellia. From what I've read, they are trying to expand the turncoat storyline even more and what I hope is coming from this is a complete side-switch which honestly should have been available from the game's launch. Multiple events in every character story gave you options for becoming a traitor but nothing came of it. Hoping this rectifies the biggest blueballing of the century.

>>32444

I want to get hyped, but SWTOR keeps finding new ways to let me down

>>32444

Any hint at what's actually going to be on those new planets? Are we going to see more story content?

>>32465

I think Corellia is going to show off a Selonian colony and is mostly going to serve as a tie-in for Solo.

>>32465

The Onderon one has you trying to sway the support of the new King if I read it right. Dxun is a small hunt with Mando warriors to see who can bag the biggest beast. No idea about Mek-Sha but Corellia has the Sith attempting a second invasion with hopes of real, tangible results this time.

>>31724

Yeah Korriban wasn't as bad as I remember, because like you said side quests aren't essential anymore, but Dromund Kaas is as pedantic as I remember even though I have done no side quests.

>>32444

>New Species - Nautolan

As in playable species? Nice, now I can make Lekku waifus from all the best species. Who am I kidding, I cannot make female characters in RPGs

>>32480

>The Onderon one has you trying to sway the support of the new King if I read it right.

So it's a copy and paste of the last Onderon mission from KoTOR II?

>>32500

I'm pretty sure KOTOR II had you rightly executing the Queen for her failure to protect the people or fighting against Vaklu who did nothing wrong. I don't remember anything about swaying her support for anything besides giving you audience with Master Kavar.

>>32500

>As in playable species? Nice, now I can make Lekku waifus from all the best species. Who am I kidding, I cannot make female characters in RPGs

Nice to know these fucks finally added a worthwhile playable species. Now if only they added Bothans and Ithorians instead of more humanoid shit in order to keep up with romantic bullshit.

>>32518

Is there any Ithorians in the game at all? I know that there is a couple Bothans such as that Republic General (or was it admiral?) but I don't even remember any Ithorians. Fucking Evocii get more screen time and those fucks are barely talked about in any length in anything besides how much of a bitch they are to Hutts.

>>32518

>and Ithorians instead of more humanoid shit in order to keep up with romantic bullshit.

It's more for Armour's sake. If they add a non-humanoid species they have to completely change how each set of armour fits on to them. Helmets just cancel out any lekku or feature that would fuck with them (I believe helmets for Twi'leks used to be forced hidden slots though), so no additional modeling is required but it would be a real pain to have to remodel every single piece of armour just to add a new species. Not that they can't do it, but for a free-to-play game it's somewhat understandable they don't won't to do that. Plus I'm not even sure Ithorians can speak basic, can they?

>>32519

>Is there any Ithorians in the game at all?

I can't say I've seen any but I've spent little time on the republic side.

>>32520

>Plus I'm not even sure Ithorians can speak basic, can they?

Less money to be wasted on a voice actor and more money to use on armors. But yes, they can speak basic with a translator attached to their mouth holes.

>>32527

>Less money to be wasted on a voice actor and more money to use on armors. But yes, they can speak basic with a translator attached to their mouth holes.

As it is they're not going to get new voice actors to redo all the lines anyways. I do think it would be cool to seen non-human's though but on top of the armour they'd have to redo all the animations.

>>32535

Not necessarily. SW Galaxies for example had playable Ithorians and Sullustans which had the same game skeleton as humans, except with Ithorians, their hands and feet remained the same regardless of armor unless my memory is horribly mistaken.

To make Ithorians playable, just give them the same skeleton/animations as humans with only some minor tweeks to the head and have it so the hand and feet mesh go over the humanoid hand and footwear. Finally to make it look less human, they could just alter the size of the nodes on its skeleton, the only downside to this is that certain animations may look buggy, like sitting, falling down and emotes, but it would be worth putting up with that shit for a few years until they get all the bugs out. Or at the very least just add an Ithorian or Wookiee mask to the armor choices.

Or hell if you really want something with a unique head but hot chicks which is identical to humans in every way except hands, then go with Rodians. But that still might not happen because according to the gayass forums, the main reason they don't do less humanoid aliens is because the romance/kissing scenes would look awkward. To hell with that shit. Just remove the option for non-humanoids or introduce a new non-humanoid romantic partner. Besides, the romances in the game are shit and gay.

>>32520

Fuck. I just remembered where a couple Ithorians are in the game. There is that Jedi teacher on Tython during that quest where you help a faggot lift a boulder for him and that other Jedi Master on Quesh who wants you to do some shit that I don't remember. I think those are the only ones, in fact.

>>32542

lol what? Nar Shaddaa is full of hammerheads.

>>32544

Really? I don't remember where they are at all then. I recall plenty of evocii and Nikto but no Ithorians.

>>32547

In the space port, one of the first quests there comes from an ithorian. Two more ithorian quest givers are in different areas. There's also quite a few Ithorian npcs lurking about there. One thing that bothers me is that there are almost no Ithorians (except maybe one) on Taris, despite that the Republic is starting a massive societal and ecosystem restoration project there which is something Ithorians would specialize in.

>>32554

Well, I mean, the governor of Taris IS Saresh and she's a totally corrupt bitch so it's no surprise that she didn't contract Ithorian consultants and construction crews and instead opted for shitty military engineers for that sweet, sweet pocket cash government funding.

>>32765

Sith Warrior sounds fun, playing through Jedi Academy right now trying to do that.

>>32767

>Sith Warrior sounds fun

Everyone keeps saying imperial spy is the best one, but sith warrior really is the best class.

>>32764

>>32768

Sith Warrior gets the best specs with Marauder, fast, deadly and can take a punch, and Juggernaut, like fighting a brick wall. Agent has the best story overall and one of the highest DPS, since I last played, specs with the sniper. Warrior has some really fucking funny and snarky dialog and has the best side characters such as Baras. This is how I see it anyway. I mostly play Dark Jedi Sentinel and light leaning Sniper so take what I say with a grain of salt.

>>32769

Juggernauts are too damn strong imo. Agent does have the best DPS and the best storyline but I feel that sith warrior is more versatile. Also Warrior has the best companions, except for that shitty jedi apprentice you're stuck with who either stays a naive wench who never learns anything or a the edgiest tryhard sithcunt imaginable who also doesn't learn anything. It would be nice if her personality wasn't just 2 sided and her overall outlook and behavior could be decided on your dialogue choices and more. That would easily make her one of the most unique companions in the game.

>>32768

>sith warrior really is the best class

this

I had the most fun with my Marauder, which was my first time playing, but Assassin was a close second. I just wish Assassin got more Force powers rather than being mostly lightsaber focused.

>>32783

Has anyone actually played as a nautolan yet? Can anyone post pics of the few wearable helmets they can use?

>>32828

Nautolan's are coming out in September with the expansion so there is no way to play them yet.

>>32764

The Imperial Agent storyline is unironically one of the best Star Wars videogame plotlines I've ever experienced. It's an unknown gem locked inside a sinking ship. You should play through it at least once before the whole thing goes under.

So do you guys pay to play this shit or do it free? Is there private servers you regular in? If any

>>32954

Same anon, I gave it a look and it seemed subscription based, which is why I asked >>32988

>>32988

>private servers

Nope. I just go to Satele which is supposedly the most "toxic" (meaning that there is less people sucking tranny cock and willing to admit Palpatine Hitler did nothing wrong). You don't know fun until you start discussing the (((Muun))) question seriously on Dromund Kaas while some guy is trying to RP as a Sith edgeLord.

>>32996

What Server do you use now? I used to use Starforge and every damn minute of the last time I was there it was people arguing about slave girl costumes for dudes and spamming that Jakku should be a playable planet. Its just fucking Tatooine with a Star Destroyer on it ffs.

>>32997

I use the Satele Shan. It was merged with one of the PVP servers and a few dead RP servers but the PVP base hated the faggoty RP groups so they bullied the fuck out of them until they left for less "toxic" places. I don't mind RP, but it's incredibly fucking cringy when you run around the fleet and you get your chat spammed by nonsense.

>Darth Edgemaster says: Bow to me apprentice, bask in my ultimate power…

<An'Sla'Ma'iki'na says: As you command, master.

Garbage like that is completely justifiable for bullying. Now the most you get is in-universe politics with arguments circa 1939.

>>32988

So at the start F2P isn't too bad, but all the end game gearing is basically locked behind the subscriptions, fair warning. You can still see a lot of story content for free but if you want PVP, Operations, and the best gear then you'll need to pay. Your mileage may vary but since I join a guild I really find the subscription worth it.

Is there a mod to fix the dialog wheels? Every option you can pick is mislabeled. You pick "Hey go fuck yourself" and it thinks you mean "Hey, come back to my hotel room and lets fuck". Every fucking time I pick a dialog option I'm reading it vastly different to what the game is trying to say. I fucking hate that shit in bioware games and it's spoiling any story missions I'm doing. The jail cells were especially bad because it let me fuck over people I intended to help. If I was trying to fuck someone over I would be less effective than this dialog wheel is.

I'm also getting tired of the MMO grind with Sith warrior. I don't recall it being this bad when I played at launch as a Jedi something or other or a trooper 2 years ago. I wasn't running back and forth to the exact same area because some nigger wanted me to do fetch quests

>>33263

No idea. Only mod I know about is the nude mod.

>>33272

OwO?

>>33275

http://www.swtorstrategies.com/2015/12/nude-patch-for-swtor-nsfw.html