7416cd No.13198790[Last 50 Posts]
Good day to anons reading this,
This thread is going to be an attempt to build the Qmap by building the bridges and making the connections between different issues & threads, as well as finding out the truth about the REAL history of mankind. It’s all about digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs…
Link to:
Bridges & Maps 3: https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/6687429.html
Bridges & Maps 4: https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/9207873.html
Archives of :
Bridges & Maps 1: http://archive.is/yzA4B
Bridges & Maps 2: https://archive.is/VbcWi
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7416cd No.13198815
This is the old man,
Bridges & Maps thread 5 is a continuation of the long dig started in Bridges & Maps thread 4. I will pick up where I stoped in the previous thread for old readers. For new readres, I would be asking them to go back to thread 4 and start reading from the very first page or they will be unable to fully grasp what it’s all about since this is a long chain.
I thank everyone for their patience. Hope you will enjoy reading this thread.
Wishing you a good day.
God bless you all.
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7416cd No.13198894
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My next Out-of-Place-Artifact is going to be the Ica Stones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact
“Ica stones: Depict Inca dinosaur-hunters, surgery, and other modern or fanciful topics. Collected by Javier Cabrera Darquea, who claimed them to be prehistoric.”
>> Notice how this sentence is worded.
The Ica Stones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones
“The Ica stones are a collection of andesite stones found in Ica Province, Peru that bear a variety of diagrams. Some of them supposedly have depictions of dinosaurs, and what is alleged to be advanced technology. These are recognised as modern curiosities or hoaxes.
In the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea began to collect and popularize the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung.”
>> Please everyone, don’t look here. These are just a hoax. Move along now. Really?! Well, I’m a curious cat, and I want to take a look at them.
“Description
The stones are composed of andesite. They vary in size from 3 cm × 2.5 cm × 1.5 cm (1.18 in × 0.98 in × 0.59 in) to 40 cm (16 in). As a result of weathering, they have developed a thin patina. It consists of a weathering rind in which weathering has turned some of the feldspar into clay, resulting in a softer material, rated 3 to 4 on the Mohs scale of mineral hardness, which can be scratched.
They are shallowly engraved with a variety of images, some directly incised, others by removing the background, leaving the image in relief. The images vary from simple pictures on one side of a pebble, up to designs of great complexity. Some of the designs are in styles which can be recognized as belonging to the Paracas, Nazca, Tiwanaku, or Inca cultures.
Some of the images are of flowers, fish, or living animals of various sorts. Others appear to depict scenes which would be anachronistic in pre-Columbian art, such as knowledge of dinosaurs, advanced medical works and maps.”
>> This is rather interesting, isn’t it? Notice what I’ve said before about the cultures mentioned here. I’ve said the Nazca comes after the Paracas and it’s obvious the Tiwanaku is built most probably like Teotihuacan by Flood survivors. Then the Inca came and they “took” what was “left” from the Tiwanaku culture and/or re-adapted it or re-used it. Also, I’ve said before that the geoglyphs from Tiwanaku seem to be the starting point or the oldest; then with migration people regrouped and we got the Paracas and the other cultures. So mentioning these specific cultures is not odd for me, but I feel like they are chained to one another, we can put them in a sequel or should I say in order = whom came after whom; if we work hard onto them. I’ve said this in the introduction: I can put some stuff in sequel but I cannot give a date.
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7416cd No.13198933
>>13198894
(Please read from the start)
“Background
Archaeological remains show evidence of Peruvian cultures going back for several thousand years. At some later stages, the whole of modern Peru was united into a single political and cultural unit, culminating in the Inca Empire, followed by the Spanish conquest. At other stages, areas such as the Ica Valley, a habitable region separated from others by desert, developed a distinctive culture of its own.
Excavations in Ica Province were carried out in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries by scholars such as Max Uhle, Julio C. Tello, Alfred L. Kroeber, William Duncan Strong and John Howland Rowe. None of them reported the discovery of carved andesite stones. Nevertheless, carved stones which had been looted by huaqueros, grave robbers, began to be offered for sale to tourists and amateur collectors.
One of these collectors was Santiago Agurto Calvo, an architect by profession, who was Rector of the National University of Engineering in Lima. He organised searches in ancient cemeteries, and in August 1966 found such a stone in the Toma Luz sector, Callango district, in Ica Valley. The context corresponded to the Tiwanaku culture. He reported his discovery to the Regional Museum in Ica city, and was accompanied on further expeditions by its curator, the archaeologist Alejandro Pezzia Assereto. In September 1966 in Uhle Hill cemetery, De la Banda sector, Ocucaje District, they found, for the first time, an engraved stone with certain provenance in a tomb of the Paracas culture. This stone was fairly flat and irregular in shape, approximately 7 cm × 6 cm × 2 cm (2.76 in × 2.36 in × 0.79 in) in size. On it was carved a design which might be abstract, or could be taken as a flower with eight petals. Agurto published the discovery in a Lima newspaper.
Pezzia continued to search. In the San Evaristo cemetery in Toma Luz, he found a carved stone of similar size to the previous one, with a realistic image of a fish. The context dated the tomb to the Middle Horizon (600-1000 A.D.). In a grave not far away in the same cemetery, he found a stone with the fairly realistic design of a llama, in a context typical of the Ica culture. In 1968, Pezzia published his findings, including drawings and descriptions.
Popularization by Cabrera
Meanwhile, in 1966, Peruvian physician Javier Cabrera Darquea was presented with a stone that had a carved picture of a fish, which Cabrera believed to be of an extinct species. Cabrera's father had begun a collection of similar stones in the 1930s, and based on his interest in Peruvian prehistory, Cabrera began collecting more. He initially purchased more than 300 stones from two brothers, Carlos and Pablo Soldi, who also collected pre-Incan artifacts, and claimed they had unsuccessfully attempted to interest archaeologists in them. Cabrera later found another source of the stones, a farmer named Basilio Uschuya, who sold him thousands more. Cabrera's collection burgeoned, reaching more than 11,000 stones in the 1970s.
Cabrera published a book, The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica on the subject, discussing his theories of the origins and meaning of the stones. In this he argued that the stones were evidence "that man is at least 405 million years old" and for what he calls "gliptolithic" man, humans from another planet. He said that "Through the transplantation of cognitive codes to highly intelligent primates, the men from outer space created new men on earth." The Ica stones achieved greater popular interest when Cabrera abandoned his medical career and opened a museum to feature several thousand of the stones in 1996.”
>> This is important and Mr. Cabrera was half way right with his “new man” theory. It will be explained when I reach it. So for now, please take note of the “ NEW MAN” theory existence.
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7416cd No.13199029
>>13198933
(Please read from the start)
“In 1973, during an interview with Erich von Däniken, Uschuya stated he had faked the stones that he had sold. In 1975 Uschuya and another farmer named Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana confirmed that they had forged the stones they gave to Cabrera by copying the images from comic books, text books and magazines. Later, Uschuya recanted the forging story during an interview with a German journalist, saying that he had claimed they were a hoax to avoid imprisonment for selling archaeological artifacts.”
>> The good old flip-flopping and blurring the image. Good tactic.
“In 1977, during the BBC documentary Pathway to the Gods, Uschuya produced an Ica stone with a dentist's drill and claimed to have produced a fake patina by baking the stone in cow dung. That same year, another BBC documentary was released with a skeptical analysis of Cabrera's stones, and the new-found attention to the phenomenon prompted Peruvian authorities to arrest Uschuya, as Peruvian law prohibits the sale of archaeological discoveries. Uschuya recanted his claim that he had found them and instead admitted they were hoaxes, saying "Making these stones is easier than farming the land." He engraved the stones using images in books and magazines as examples and knives, chisels and a dental drill. He also said that he had not made all the stones. He was not punished, and continued to sell similar stones to tourists as trinkets. The stones continued to be made and carved by other artists as forgeries of the original forgeries.”
>> So now BBC is a truth teller!? Does anyone trust them here? I also smell threats floating in the air.
“Impact
Except in the rare cases that provenance is known, there is no reliable way of dating the stones. Thus, a stone of uncertain origin can never be used to establish a conclusion which would otherwise be considered unlikely. The stones have been used by some Young-Earth creationists to claim that humans lived in proximity with dinosaurs, which contradicts evidence that the extinction of dinosaurs predates mankind by approximately 66 million years. At least one major Young-Earth creationist source has rejected their use as an argument for Young-Earth creationism. Believers in ancient astronauts have also attempted to use the stones as evidence of a lost, advanced civilization brought to man from other planets and mytho-historians have claimed them as evidence that ancient myths are accurate histories, neither of which is a position supported in the scientific or academic communities.”
>> Can someone explain to me why do I have this re-occurrence of Humans and Dinosaurs co-existing in many cultures/civilizations? If we have one single artifact on its own, it can be easily debunked, but if you combine them all worldwide, we start to see a pattern, don’t we?
“In his Encyclopedia of Dubious Archaeology: From Atlantis To The Walam Olum, archaeologist Ken Feder commented "The Ica Stones are not the most sophisticated of the archaeological hoaxes discussed in this book, but they certainly rank up there as the most preposterous.”
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7416cd No.13199252
>>13199029
(Please read from the start)
Since we took a look at Main Stream History view, now, let’s check the Alternative History: https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/do-ica-stones-prove-mankind-coexisted-dinosaurs-advanced-technology-098989
“12 MARCH, 2019
Do the Ica Stones prove that mankind coexisted with dinosaurs and had advanced technology?
It is a rare object that stimulates the curiosity of archaeologists, ancient astronaut theorists, and creationists all at the same time, but the Ica stones have done just that. The Ica stones refer to the momentous collection of more than 15,000 engraved stones which curiously depict clear and detailed dinosaurs, complex medical surgery, and forms of advanced technology such as telescopes. Most believe the stones are nothing more than an elaborate hoax, while others maintain that they are evidence that an ancient race of humans who possessed advanced technology coexisted with dinosaurs.
The stones, which vary in size from pebbles to boulders, are composed of grey andesite with a granite semi-crystalline matrix. It is a hard stone that is difficult to carve, but the images are scratched through the oxidised surfaces. The images carved onto the surface also vary in complexity from simple pictures engraved on one side of the stone to designs of complex scenes. Some of the designs appear to be in styles which can be recognised as belonging to the Paracas, Nazca, Tiwanaku or Inca cultures, while others are in a style never seen before.”
>> So the stones are hard to carve, interesting, isn’t it? Mostly that it’s in full contradiction with what Wikipedia said about the stones being soft when weathered (p. 606); according to this page, only the surface (with thin patina) of the stone is hard.
“The subject matter includes images of flowers, fish, or living animals, including the more controversial dinosaur depictions, as well as mythological-type beasts or monsters. Other stones depict geometric images and symbols that correspond with known petroglyphs and geoglyphs. For example, one of the Ica stones depicts a monkey, which is almost identical to one of the Nazca geoglyphs.
The stones that have drawn the most attention are those that depict different species of dinosaurs, as well as those that show advanced technology, such as telescopes and flying machines, and medical practices that were unknown at the time they were found, such as a caesarean section with acupuncture used as a form of anaesthesia, and heart transplants.
The background story
According to reported accounts of the discovery of the Ica stones, in 1966, Peruvian physician Javier Cabrera Darquea was presented with a stone by a friend for his 42 nd birthday which had a carved picture of what he believed to be an extinct fish. Based on his interest in Peruvian prehistory, Cabrera began collecting more of the stones. He purchased more than 300 from two brothers who also collected pre-Incan artefacts. Cabrera later found another source of the stones, a farmer named Basilio Uschuya, who claimed he found a huge cache of the stones when the Ica River overflowed its banks destroying a nearby mountain and exposing an unknown cave. Uschuya would not reveal the cave’s location but agreed to sell thousands of the stones to Cabrera, boosting his collection to more than 11,000 stones by the 1970s.”
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7416cd No.13199383
>>13199252
(Please read from the start)
>> We have no details from where Uschuya got the stones from = a cave. Is his story starting to make more sense? Why? Re-read from where the Ayars brothers came from please? (Starting page 524)
“News of the find caught the interest of researchers and the eyes of the world turned toward Ica. Subsequently, the BBC produced a documentary on the discovery bringing an extraordinary amount of focus on the Peruvian Government. Under pressure to police the country's antiquities, the Government arrested the farmer for selling the stones. Facing years of incarceration, the farmer recanted his story claiming he'd carved all 15,000 of the stones himself. He even demonstrated how he engraved the stones using a dental drill. The stones were labelled a hoax and the government considered the embarrassing matter closed. But the story would not go away.”
>> So this is how the other side of the coin looks like = the story. Please re-read what the Wikipedia page said about this and compare. The difference is huge on how it was related to us. It’s all a matter of optics in the end. I do agree that the Peruvian gvt was not and most probably is not doing a good job in preserving the archaeological sites, monuments and artifacts. But can they really be blamed, mostly if they are lacking funds? Unless the funds are stolen, but then, that’s another issue.
“Cabrera published a book, entitled ‘The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica’, discussing his theories of the origins and meaning of the stones. In it he argued that the stones show that humans originated from another planet and were at least 405 million years old. Further, he claimed that "Through the transplantation of cognitive codes to highly intelligent primates, the men from outer space created new men on earth."
Cabrera’s book, as well as his opening of a museum featuring several thousand of the stones in 1996, brought widespread attention to the stones. Creationists used the Ica stones to claim that humans lived in proximity with dinosaurs, which contradicts evidence that the extinction of dinosaurs predates mankind by approximately 65 million years and disproves evolutionary theory. Believers in the ancient astronaut theory have also cited the stones as evidence of a lost, advanced civilisation brought to man from other planets. Neither of these positions is supported in scientific or academic communities.
Fact or Fiction?
Those who maintain that the Ica stones are authentic maintain that Uschuya was forced to announce that he had faked the stones to avoid imprisonment – Peruvian law prohibits the sale of archaeological discoveries. Indeed, Uschuya himself recanted his forging story during an interview with a journalist, saying that he claimed they were a hoax to avoid jail. However, sceptics dismiss this explanation referring to Uschuya’s convincing demonstration of how he produced them.
Proponents also argue that other engraved stones have been found within the Ica region, not just the ones ‘found’ by Uschuya. Archaeologist Alejandro Pezzia Assereto, a trustee of the Ica Regional Museum, found engraved stones within three different tombs dating from 400 BC to 700 AD. The engraved images on the stones resemble those found on the Ica stones sold by Uschuya. In 1968 Assereto published his findings, including drawings and descriptions.”
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7416cd No.13199481
>>13199383
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>> This new information is conveniently NOT mentioned in the Main Stream History at all. I guess since it’s hard to counter it, better not mention it then.
“Nevertheless, it is argued that if ancient humans once possessed advanced technology there would be a lot more evidence than carved stones, including the technology itself. Furthermore, sceptics point out that the dinosaur depictions resemble popular mid-twentieth century reconstructions, which show them as lumbering beasts, dragging their tails along the ground. We now know that this was not how they walked, a clear demonstration that the stones are a twentieth-century product and not the creations of people who saw living dinosaurs.
According to Cabrera, the proof that the stones are not a hoax is in their number. There are too many stones for a single farmer, or even a collective of hoaxers, to have scratched out. It has been calculated that the farmer would have had to carve one stone every day for over 40 years to produce the total library.
An alternative theory put forward is that some of the stones are authentic, while a smaller subset, perhaps the most controversial, was forged. This could account for virtually all the facts of the case. Uschuya may have found some stones, produced more which were controversial in order to garner interest, and then sell them at a good price.
Many have asked, why don't scientists simply date the stones and settle the matter? The problem is that stones without organic material trapped in them can only be dated according to the strata layer in which they are found. Since Cabrera's stones come from some mystery cave which has never been identified, much less excavated, there is no way to date them.”
>> This is absolutely correct.
“Today, most agree that the stones are nothing more than an interesting hoax, however, others maintain that attempts to discredit the stones are merely a way to hide evidence that conflicts with mainstream perspectives. The Ica museum in which the stones are housed remains open to those who would like to interpret the mysteries for themselves.”
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7416cd No.13200148
>>13199481
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What I’m going to do next is to comment on some of the stones designs, things that caught my eye and then, I’m going to talk about them and their authenticity.
1-I’ve already posted some of the dinosaur’s pictures, so please check them out again anons and now I’m going to add new ones. There is a rather impressive number of stones with Dinosaurs represented on them. But what no one commented about or seem to have noticed are 3 notables about the Dinosaur themed stones:
A- The scale of Dinosaurs compared to the one of humans.
B- Some Dinosaurs seems to be tamed, as in human are ridding them.
C- Some stones show violent interaction between humans and Dinosaurs. It’s either the Dinosaurs attacking the human (biting it in the neck) or it’s the human hunting down the Dinosaurs. It’s a bit like what we have nowadays, there are some animals we domesticated, while we hunt down others for their meat/fur or because they are dangerous and might harm us.
2-The second theme on the Ica Stone is actually some sex scenes. Anons can check them out themselves on the net. There is something not adding up about these specific stones, not because of the theme, but because it highlights homosexual sex mostly (at least the ones I saw on the net). That’s not the issue though, the issue is: why highlight one “type” of sex and not both hetero and homo? Why ONLY depict ONE type and not the other? Things don’t add up. There is something fishy about the stones with this theme.
3– The third theme is the “magical” or should I say “fabulous”, maybe even “mythical” type of animal we see on some of the stones. The one I put the picture of looks like some sort of Dragon, doesn’t it?
4 – The 4th theme is the stone with the Nazca designs on them. Again here, things don’t add up. What got me suspicious of this specific stone is that the Nazca lines were depicted on it exactly as we see them, we view them from above. If we go back and re-read when the Nazca Lines were re-discovered: first date given accurately is 1927 spotted by Toribio Mejía Xesspe. Then Paul Kosok spots them somewhere in 1940-1941. In other words, the Nazca Lines were known before the first Ica stones came into the hands of Cabrera in 1966 (that’s a 666 by the way, the 9 is inverted)
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7416cd No.13200172
>>13200148
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5-I didn’t find a picture of the stone with a spaceship supposedly depicted on it. So if anyone has a visual of it, please share the picture, so I can take a look at it. That would be helpful.
6- The 6th theme is the depiction of the Staff-God on one specific stone. If we look closely, the way the Staff-god is represented is totally different when we compare the iconography from this stone to the one of the Gate of the Sun at Tiwanaku. Here on the stone, he holds only one staff while he is holding a “shield” in the other hand. His headdress is also totally different as well as his clothes = he is wearing an “elaborated tunic”. There is a reversed pentagram on top of his head – 5 point star. The bird we see on top of his left shoulder is not one of his “helpers” (as the iconography we’ve got on the Gate of the Sun); it is depicted as a real bird = the animal, and it’s identical to the representation of birds = animals in the Paracas culture = seen on Paracas textile (page 381). I say this representation of the Staff-god is NO MACTH to the stereotyped image we have seen of him in many cultures (with tiny differences between one culture and the other). There is a standard for how the God is represented and this one on the stone does not fit into that standard. I would like to point out that the iconography of the Staff-god is known in the Andean region ever since…when was it exactly? Sorry, I forgot when exactly, but I’m sure it was not recent. What I’m trying to say is that the people living in the area KNEW for a LONG time about the iconography of the Staff-god represented on the Gateway of the Sun.
7- The next stone is the one of a horse with what seems like a cart or some type of chariot. If anons had gone through the pain of reading every single Andean culture/ civilization I’ve posted about they would have known that before the arrival of Columbus and the Spaniards, there were no horses in the Andes (according to main stream history). Does anyone know of a horse skeleton unearthed that dates back to pre-Columbus times in the Andes? I’m not aware of it till this specific moment I’m writing this. If any anon reading this thread is aware of the existence of such a skeleton, please share it with us in order to prove this specific stone is authentic and the narrative pushed forward by the main stream history of horses not existing in the Andes before the arrival of Columbus is false. Until a horse skeleton dating from pre-Columbus times is unearthed, this stone remains a fake, a false one.
8- This specific stone is called the “Bird man stone”. It bothers me greatly anons. Apparently it’s a man’s body, with horns and wings standing on a rock or something shaped like a face. What bothers me is the position of the hands. Reminds me of Baphomet. This is no bird man we have here anons, it’s so obvious. I really doubt this is an authentic stone. This is most probably a fake stone.
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471184 No.13202900
>>13200172
(Please read from the start)
9- On the next stone that caught my attention is represented 2 persons, one with long hair tied backwards (cannot see the second person’s back). They are kneeling, while holding their hands up and their head are also upwards, wearing what looks like a crown or a headdress. I think we have the royal couple represent here = a big possibility. One is female and the other is male. They are chanting or praying since we see some type of “signs” coming out of their mouths. Between them, there is an elevated platform that looks like a step pyramid. I believe this is a temple and on top we have the SUN god. It looks like some type of ray (there are serpentine lines in the middle section – I put it in yellow circle) = I think it’s a beam from the Sun or to the Sun. Could it be spiritual energy? We’ve seen the Lanzon before as being some type of spiritual energy conductor = channeling it. So is this something like that? = does this scene depict the transfer of spiritual energy from or to the Sun? And at the end, I want to point out the hexagrams = 6 points star above the head of EACH person praying. As for the arrows coming out from the top level of the temple terrace, well, that one is odd. It got me scratching my head.
10- My next stone is what is referred to as the MAP stone. What caught my attention about this stone is the shape of the map: it looks like it’s dislocating, doesn’t it? It’s like it’s coming apart. Which in turn reminded me of The Coyolxāuhqui Stone (pages 273-274) from the Aztecs. And if my memory is not betraying me, we also have “dismemberment in the Moche culture.
11- The next stone has a column with its marquee (=chapiteau in French). It’s shaped like a goblet, isn’t it? We’ve got a serpent = a snake wrapped around the column, starting with its tail from the base, all the way up to the marquee where the head of the snake is. The body of the column is twisted while the marquee’s shape, reminds me strangely of one specific Ancient Egyptian Marquee design that looks like a Lotus flower. I’ve attached a picture for anons so they would understand what I’m referring to. In Ancient Egypt, the barrel of the column (= le fut de la colonne) is NOT twisted in a swirl as we see here. They don’t use such design for the barrel of the column in Ancient Egypt.
Behind the head of the snake, we have in 3 hexagrams represented vertically, one on top of the other. While on the other side of the column, it “seems” there is a person standing with its back to the column and the snake, unfortunately we cannot see clearly in this picture to verify if this is true.
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471184 No.13202943
>>13202900
(Please read from the start)
This specific stone caught my attention because the picture on it reminded of the djed pillar (starting page 102) but more of the pillar or TREE with the SNAKE wrapped around it we’ve also seen in this thread like with Apep (page 76), in the Epic of Gilgamesh and the snake that used to live in the huluppu tree (page 37) etc. So I’ve been wondering, is it really a column? Is it really a tree? Or is it a tower? Still not sure at this point. But I’m certain all 3 are symbols/ represent one and the same thing. If it’s a tree, a column or a tower, it’s pointing me in the same direction. Do not forget the snake on the tree from Adam and Eve anons.
12- Which brings me to the last theme I want to talk about. It seems the TREE is represented on another stone with some type of “star” or “light” shining on the tippy top of it as anons can see. On both sides of this tree, we have a person standing, while looking upwards into a telescope. And on the side, in the sky, we see a “comet” approaching. These are supposedly stargazing = watching the night sky and waiting for a “sky event” = passage of a meteor that has a flaming tail.
A lot of persons in the alternative history consider the presence of these hand telescopes as well as the medical surgery (page 609 – third picture) scene from another stone as signs of an advanced technology; somehow lost to mankind. Some say it used to belong to an ancient but lost civilization while others say it has Alien origins. Anons, know I am from the first lot and not the second.
Next I want to give my take on the Ica stones.
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471184 No.13202956
>>13202943
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I personally have a problem with the Ica stones anons. I’m unable to side with either the main stream history narrative about them, nor the alternative history narrative. Both present big inconsistencies so I’m going to talk a bit about both and why none convinced me to be correct. I’m putting them randomly as I remember them:
1-The argument that more high-tech from an ancient civilization should have been discovered if it really existed doesn’t stand ground if a cataclysm occurred that wiped out that civilization. We’ve seen Flood traces everywhere, but also earthquakes and volcanoes activated. So image your smart phone surviving lava or being crushed in an earthquake. 99.99% of things would have been totally wiped out if such a cataclysm occurred. And guess what, it did occur.
2-It’s correct that the stones are hard to carve without some type of modern or high-tech tool. I would also like to point out that it needs “practice” to be able to produce the same “artistic style” in such big numbers. And this is something I’ve noticed about the stone with Baphomet design on it = apart the strange theme, the carving style was different if you closely compare it to the others. It’s obvious this specific stone is a fake, a modern forgery. That’s my take.
3-I’ve already talked about the chariot themed stone in page 613, so I’m not going to repeat much apart saying unless a horse skeleton dating back to pre-Columbus times is dug out, there is no way in hell this specific stone is authentic. And the carving style is close to what we have with the Baphomet design stone. For me, and for the time being, this is another forgery, a fake. But I’m also going to leave the door ajar by saying = unless we find a pre-Columbus horse skeleton, this stone will remain a fake until then.
4-The Staff-god representation on one of the stones is also making me think it’s a fake. Starting with how different the headdress is, to the god holding a shield, which I didn’t see him do that in the other many iconography of him in many cultures; regardless if it’s on pottery, textile, reliefs etc. The bird perched above his shoulder is a replica of the bird design we have on the Paracas textile on page 381; maybe this is why some researchers say that some of the designs on the stones looks like designs from the Tiwanaku, Nazca etc cultures. What I did, is I went back to every single picture I’ve posted myself in this thread to check if the Staff-god was holding a shield. None. Then I went back to the net and take a look there, also none.
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471184 No.13202967
>>13202956
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So how do I explain this? = it’s easy, the one whom carved this fake stone is a native from the area and he knows (just like all locals) about the existence of the Staff-god on the Gateway of the Sun at Tiwanaku. I won’t be surprised to find out that whomever carved this also saw that specific gateway. And I bet this person also saw the Paracas textile with the bird design displayed at a museum, as well as flew over the Nazca lines = this is how he got a visual of them, probably has a picture of them from somewhere and he copied them, reproduced them. So yes, I’m also saying that the stones with the Nazca lines designs on them are also fakes. Why fake them? To sell them of course = money, greed. It’s always the same problem.
I think the person whom forged these, mostly whom forged the Staff-god didn’t understand the characteristics of this deity. And since in modern day thinking we have this image in our heads of a warrior holding a shield along with a sword =Whomever carved this, thought the same way. Never suspecting it was 2 weapons, not one weapon and one shield, which betrays his incomprehension of the staff-god imagery. If this stone was authentic, the person whom carved it would have known that the Staff-god holds 2 weapons and not one weapon and one shield. So yes, I’m repeating, this type of stones is FAKE, unless ANYONE reading this can find me ANY iconography of the Staff-god (textile, pottery, sculpture, relief, painting etc.), an authentic one, where he is holding a shield along with his Staff weapon. Until such evidence is found, this stone will remain a fake for me.
5-The homosexual theme of some stones designs is highly suspicious, not because it’s homosexual, but because it’s ONLY that and no other type of sexual act represented. I’ve looked around and tried to find scenes between men and women or between 2 women = NONE. Maybe I didn’t look enough, so if anyone can find them and share them, please do. So what got me suspecting this series of stones with sexual scenes to be FAKES as well is the exclusivity of the sexual TYPE of design we have on them. When we look back in this thread where such sexual scenes from the Andean cultures were represented, we see it in the Moche Culture (mostly pottery – page 438) and if my memory is not betraying me, we’ve also seen it in the Chimu culture which also had pottery with sexual theme (page 451). If anons take a look on the net of the pottery designs of these 2 cultures, they will notice how varied they are, starting with different sexual position to many TYPES of sex, including hints to necrophilia. But we don’t have that here, it’s exclusively one type of sex depicted on the Ica stones. This is highly suspicious and it’s making me think these specific stones are also fake ones. Why is it done this way? It’s to get attention. This theme was selected to get attention on the Stones. Again, if I missed something, I would like to ask anons to bring them to my attention. If I’m wrong in my thinking, I can correct it.
6-The stone with a map on it is very problematic as in I cannot detect any sign that leads me to confirm its authenticity or leads to verify it’s a fake. I’m going to leave it to that.
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471184 No.13202996
>>13202967
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7-There is this theme or idea on some of the stones that high-tech machinery and advanced knowledge in the medical field existed before modern days, probably belonged to an ancient, lost civilization. In this thread, we do have this idea reoccurring, reappearing in many civilization, not just advanced machinery in the medical field, but also in various fields, like in the military = staff-god weapons; and the transportation means = helicopter hieroglyph etc. What I found odd is the SIZE of some of these machines represented on Ica stones.
Let me explain a bit here:
When you look at the advanced tech we have from the ancient civilization we can classify them into 2 categories:
A – Portable pieces, units: as in small or medium size objects that can be easily carried by hand or put in a pocket by the survivors of the Flood. As an example, I will give you (what is called) the “famous watches” the Anunnaki are seen wearing on those mural reliefs. I’ve attached the picture of what I’m talking about. The second example I’m going to give anons is the Staff carried by the Staff-god = it’s portable, just like carrying a rifle if you attach a rope on both ends.
Let me put you in the correct mind set = you are in your home, sitting comfortably, watching tv then suddenly a huge cataclysm occurs. Do you keep on sitting there watching tv, being Happy Go Lucky, or?……what do you do? Put yourself in that mindset anons? Of course it depends on each person’s situation, as in if he is married or not, young or old, male or female….so the reactions vary a bit…. But no matter what the situation is, the first thing a person in that situation thinks of is to get to safety, right? So in my case, I would grab my wife, my children and grandkids, also I would grab my rifle in order to protect them, while we drive our way to the place we think it’s the safest. While I’m fleeing the great calamity, do I take off my watch? My clothes, my shoes? Or do I run with whatever I have on me and can carry? So this is what happened back then. How do I know this? Because it’s the most normal reaction for humans. When the entire world is going ka-boom literally on you, you don’t stop to think about what shoes you want to wear, or what pretty shirt you want to pack in your backpack. All you think of is to get to safety, you and the ones you care for, which includes protecting one’s self from any type of danger = this is why you arm yourself with a weapon. And this is how the weapons carried by the Staff-god came from pre-flood era to after the flood. Same thing for what some call the Anunnaki watches. Those are survivors of the great Flood; they didn’t stop to think what they were wearing, they just ran for their lives to the ARK= safety. As for the Staff-god, he ran with 2 weapons in his hands. I would do the same if I was in his shoes. I would carry something to protect me and my family while I’m fleeing. There are a lot of crazy people out there, and only God knows what will happen on the road till I reach the Ark, so I better protect myself till I get there. I simply put myself in the shoes of the persons fleeing a disaster. Nothing hard to figure out, just being logical about it.
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471184 No.13203055
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>>13202996
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So you see anons, when I’m fleeing, I don’t stop to take my TV screen with me, nor does my wife stop to take her washing machine with her. By that I mean when fleeing, you don’t carry with you big heavy objects that are hard to transport, but if you can grab something it will be something you can easily carry and it will be of survival necessity. You are running for your life after all. You don’t carry surgical rooms along with you.
B – Transportation units: These are also logical to escape the Flood and be some of the objects that came from before the Flood. It’s normal when you think about it carefully.
Let me explain by continuing where I left of in my imaginary escape example I gave in the previous category:
So here am I, with my rifle on my shoulder, my watch on my wrist, running like crazy with my family to the nearest place where I can find safety. But that place is like 5 or 10 km away from my house. How do I get there? I know there is a safety boat, in this case an ARK that I can board and be safe from the cataclysm that is taking place, including a great Flood. So how do I get to the Ark stationed a few km away from my home. I get into a car or transportation means to get there. But the Ark itself is also a transportation means, a naval one. So I will be driving something until I reach the Ark. Here is the same situation: people fleeing the cataclysm used transportation means to reach the Ark, which in itself is also a transportation means. But what about the people whom cannot make it to the Ark? Most would die, but pilots can fly small aircrafts as well, couldn’t they? While others, try to seek shelter underground.
To understand me better, I would like to ask anons to take a good look at this clip from the movie called San Andreas: it’s about a big earthquake hitting the San Andrea fault line and the catastrophe that occurs because of it all. I would like to ask anons to pay attention to what the people are carrying and wearing. The girl in the movie takes a Walkie-talkie and a first aid kit from a firefighter truck = important survival items. She is wearing a bracelet and others are wearing watches or holding bags. Also in this specific scene, we have many people in boats trying to flee by ridding the tsunami wave. I would advise anons if interested to watch the full movie and pay attention to the details. Be observant. Notice how people are behaving and fleeing. Notice the cop on duty with her gun on her waist. When the cataclysm occurred and people were fleeing to the Ark, this is the type of situation they were facing. Look at the wave. A disaster is a disaster, you cannot control it no matter what. You cannot say to a volcano = erupt at 3 pm not at 2 pm, because I have a tv show to watch. It doesn’t work that way with Mother Nature ^_^
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471184 No.13203087
>>13203055
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Which brings me to the “surgical equipment” represented on one of the Ica stones = when you are fleeing a cataclysm do you stop and transport with you big size surgical room equipment? NOPE. As I’ve demonstrated in category A and B just now, you either carry something easily portable that will help you survive, or you take a means of transportation with you that will help you survive. You surely don’t take a tv screen with you, nor a washing a machine, and certainly not a full surgical room equipment. The only way for such room to exist is if one of those medical boats (or planes) Potus sent to NY manage to make it out of the cataclysm the same way the Ark did. In such boats, there are rooms equipped with medical machinery, including a surgical room. That’s the only exception.
So anons, the Ica stone with the surgical room represented on it: I really doubt it’s an authentic stone. The possibility of this being a real stone is very small. As for the other high-tech tool represented on another Ica stone = the telescopes, yes, I think there is a chance this stone is for real. Such small tools can be carried out of necessity when you are fleeing a cataclysm, it all depends on what the person fleeing consider as important to them. So it makes sense to find such objects in the hands of the Flood survivors such as the telescopes on the Ica Stones.
And we already know that many cultures/civilizations were stargazers/star observers. We know a lot worldwide kept close watch at the night sky, made astronomical calculations, predicted sky events, even draw star maps (like the Dendera zodiac). So yes anons, the chances are there for this specific stone to be real = authentic = the stone with the telescopes represented on it (page 615 for image) = it’s POSSIBLE.
8-The stones with Dinosaur theme on them: This is another theme, idea we’ve been seeing reoccur, reappear in this thread, not in one, but in many if not ALL of the cultures/ civilizations. And I don’t know if anons noticed the proportions between the Dinosaurs and the humans represented with them/ close to them. Even in the Dogon statuette (page 215) we see the human rider proportioned to the Dinosaur like animal he is ridding. The idea about the dinosaurs co-existing with humans is on its own totally mind-blowing. Even more mind blowing was the FACT that almost all of the artifacts point to a proportioned size between the animal and the human = something everyone missed so far in the alternative history.
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471184 No.13203164
>>13203087
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The main stream history argued the following: “Furthermore, skeptics point out that the dinosaur depictions resemble popular mid-twentieth century reconstructions, which show them as lumbering beasts, dragging their tails along the ground. We now know that this was not how they walked, a clear demonstration that the stones are a twentieth-century product and not the creations of people who saw living dinosaurs.”
Well, they do have a point if this was one and unique case. We can dismiss the dinosaur representations on the Ica Stones this way. Alone, it will not stand much but if we put next to it the others, mostly the archaeological artifacts, the ones confirmed to be real and their authenticity is not in doubt, then we have a totally different picture and the argument of the main stream history cannot hold.
So anons, it’s POSSIBLE this set of Dinosaur themed Ica stones are REAL, authentic – at least SOME of them, if not ALL of them.
9-Let’s talk about the people involved in this story of the Ica Stones:
There is this physician called Cabrera whom first got a stone in 1966 (also mentioned his father collected similar ones in the 1930s). Then he started to collect them and it seems his 2 main sources are the Soldi brothers and a farmer called Uschuya. Cabrera ended up leaving his medical career, opening a museum for the stones and writing books.
Uschuya started to give interviews, getting a taste of fame. Then another farmer “De Aparcana” showed up confessing that he and Uschuya carved the stones to sell them to Cabrera, getting inspired from books, magz etc. Then to avoid jail time, Uschuya retold his story and said the stones were forgeries and BBC made a documentary about it all.
I just tried to resume the events.
At first glance when someone read this, we get the impression this is all a hoax and the stones are a forgery, made by a couple of greedy guys whom sold them to an enthusiast collector. And as anons have read in the previous pages, I really think SOME of the stones are truly FAKE ones.
What is suspicious about Uschuya is his flip flopping and his claims that he found the stones in a cave; but for some strange reason, we don’t know where THAT cave is to check it out.
But what is even weirder is the reaction of the Peruvian gvt.: they didn’t arrest Uschuya, they didn’t fine him for making forgeries, they didn’t confiscate the stones, they didn’t close the museum opened by Cabrera, they didn’t prohibit Uschuya to make more of them = didn’t take any measures to stop the production of more fakes and they didn’t force Cabrera to stamp them with a seal or make an incision on them as a mark that these are not antiquities or artifacts, but modern day carvings. Strange isn’t it? The Peruvian gvt could have taken many measures from mild to harsh ones to put an end to this HOAX, cut the rope short and clean this mess once and for all. But they didn’t. It’s like they simply gave a tiny wrist slap to Uschuya and brushed the dust under the carpet saying = nothing to see here folks, go home now.
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471184 No.13203209
>>13203164
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This behavior from the Peruvian gvt is greatly strange and suspicious for me. Even stranger is the reaction of BBC and how they approached this subject. And to make it all better, we don’t know a zit from the Soldi brothers and how they got their hands on the stones. Not even a single comment from them as far as I know. Maybe I didn’t find it, so if anyone reading has any information or comments from the brothers, I would appreciate it if you could share it please.
Amazingly, the Main Stream history and the Peruvian gvt ignore this: “Archaeologist Alejandro Pezzia Assereto, a trustee of the Ica Regional Museum, found engraved stones within three different tombs dating from 400 BC to 700 AD. The engraved images on the stones resemble those found on the Ica stones sold by Uschuya. In 1968 Assereto published his findings, including drawings and descriptions.”
So what’s the story behind all of this? And are the stones REAL or a HOAX?
From what I’ve read about this issue, this is what I personally believed happened:
Uschuya did find authentic Ica Stones at first. How many, I don’t know, but it’s obvious he found some real stones at first. Just as the Soldi brothers did. They sold them to Cabrera, whom collected them. But then, at some point, Uschuya realized he landed on a “golden goose”, sort of speak. So he and his buddy Aparcana started to “create” = forge new stones, getting inspired from different places in order to create various themes to keep Cabrera interested in growing his collection.
When the Peruvian gvt got wind of this, they realized they are facing a much bigger problem than just the simple selling of archaeological artifacts. Why? Because of what was depicted on some of the authentic stones. I don’t know what it is for sure, what those designs are for sure. But it seems to be something big enough to have forced the hand of the Peruvian gvt and they took in Uschuya for questioning, where it’s obvious he was threatened and pressured to keep his mouth shut about the origin of these stones. But before this happened, Uschuya got drunk on fame and started giving interviews. He had to backtrack and supposedly correct his story. Incredible how there is no mention whatsoever about Cabrera, the Soldi brothers or Aparcana being questioned by the authorities or arrested or anything happening to them. It’s only Uschuya.
Why only him? Well, he is the only one who got drunk on fame and went public, not just locally but internationally = getting in contact with various European News Agencies; catching in the process the fascination and attention of European and worldwide public.
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471184 No.13203322
>>13203209
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Uschuya also mentioned a cave where the stones came from. I think there is a possibility he might have read about the Ayars myth coming out from a cave and he linked them together….that is….if he’s telling you the truth about the existence of the cave. His behavior towards it is suspicious. Why isn’t he telling us its location? Did the authorities in Peru threatened him and told him to keep his mouth shut about the cave and where it is? I’m split 50/50 about the issue of the cave: if it’s really the place of discovery of the stones or if it’s just a made up story to match a myth he heard. More information is needed. And I’m saying this again: All that Uschuya has to do it to lead us to the cave and all the mystery will be solved. But he didn’t.
Which brings me to his flip flopping and the behavior of the Peruvian gvt.= do you think they were threatened by (((them)))? Did (((they))) order the Peruvian gvt. to sweep this under the carpet and hush it? If so….then why? What’s so alarming about these stones?
I think it’s the designs on them that are alarming. But which designs? Well definitely not the fake ones, some are very obviously fakes. It’s not the designs with the Sun temple nor the people stargazing using telescopes. Those can be argued: we’ve seen this many times before how (((they))) bring supposed experts just to blur the image and muddy the water. (((They))) can use the same method for those 2 designs. This is why I think what got (((them))) alarmed about the Ica stones are the ones with Dinosaurs designs on them. It’s just my analysis of the situation.
As I’ve said before it’s not just the co-existence of the dinosaurs with humans that is the problem, but it’s also the scale = the proportions between the animal and the human. I would also like to add the idea of some dino being domesticated by humans is also unsettling, mostly if we are under the spell of the Jurassic Park movies where most dinos are portrayed to be aggressive and huge compared to the size of humans.
If it was known that these stones with Dinosaurs designs on them were authentic, real, it would blow into dust the entire theory of evolution and mostly the dating of the existence of the dinosaurs. In other words the FABLE like history (((they))) so careful woven for us and spoon fed us in order to hide our true history and origin as humans, would be revealed to the big public. So (((they))) did (((their))) best to divert attention from it, just like what (((they))) did to ALL the other artifacts and objects which fell into the same category = proving the existence of an Ancient Civilization.
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471184 No.13203341
>>13203322
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If the stones with Dinosaur designs turned out to be true; then it means one of 2 things:
1–Humans co-existed with dinosaurs and are as them, millions of years old.
2– Human co-existed with dinosaurs and these animals are not millions of years old but a few thousands of years old as humans are.
In both cases, it’s a wreck for (((them))).
But this doesn’t mean ALL the stones = every single one of them with a dinosaur theme is authentic, real. Uschuya, in his greed for money and hunger for fame kinda did (((them))) a service, unwillingly. I think he forged “SOME” of the stones with Dinosaur designs as he saw them in history books or magz. This is why he was only threatened then let go and he was not imprisoned nor even eliminated. Because, unwillingly, he provided (((them))) with “the supposed evidence” to prove these stones are a hoax.
The way I see it, it’s going to be a huge pain to clean this mess up as in sorting which stone is authentic and which is NOT. And it’s also going to ALWAYS put in question the authenticity of the stones = there will always be doubt. Loads of damage of all sorts done here. What a mess!
I want to add about the Ica Stones: Cabrera is an educated man, this means he did loads of reading and did some research and this is why he said what he said in the books he wrote.
Also, I noticed that the FLOOD is not depicted on the Stones. So this got me scratching my head as to why, there is no mention of it on the Stones.
I think I covered everything about the Ica Stones even if it was long, I think it was worth it. I would like to caution researchers to “handle” the information about the Ica stones very carefully, it’s a mine field, mostly that we don’t know for sure which stone is real and which one is fake. So be careful when working on this.
What I’m going to do next is take a look at the other Out-of-Place-Artifacts listed in the Wikipedia page about them. The ones found in the Southern and Central Americas. If the object is REAL, AUTHENTIC, then I will be talking about it. If it’s a FAKE or a HOAX, I will mention the links, maybe post a few “suspicious” lines and move on.
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471184 No.13203395
>>13203341
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I read what Wikipedia put about the Crystal Skull: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull
Some notable extracts from it: “Many crystal skulls are claimed to be pre-Columbian, usually attributed to the Aztec or Maya civilizations. Mesoamerican art has numerous representations of skulls, but none of the skulls in museum collections come from documented excavations. Research carried out on several crystal skulls at the British Museum in 1967, 1996 and 2004 shows that the indented lines marking the teeth (for these skulls had no separate jawbone, unlike the Mitchell-Hedges skull) were carved using jeweler's equipment (rotary tools) developed in the 19th century, making a pre-Columbian origin untenable.
[…]
The British Museum crystal skull transited through New York's Tiffany & Co., while the Musée de l'Homme's crystal skull was donated by Alphonse Pinart, an ethnographer who had bought it from Boban.
[…]
Recent evidence has come to light showing that F.A. Mitchell-Hedges purchased the skull at a Sotheby's auction in London on October 15, 1943, from London art dealer Sydney Burney. In December 1943, F.A. Michell-Hedges disclosed his purchase of the skull in a letter to his brother, stating plainly that he acquired it from Burney.”
>> Anons read carefully, mostly what is said without saying it.
This Crystal skulls thing….it’s a Hoax. These are NOT archaeological artifacts – it’s FAKE.
The movie “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” was mentioned in the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Kingdom_of_the_Crystal_Skull
Just take a look at it anons or even better watch the movie with paying close attention to the details, the ideas projected and the words = script. It’s obvious (((they))) mixed many elements = true archaeological artifacts and monuments with Fake ones not just to blur the image, but to create the narrative that this is all Loony Stuff = Fables = only tin foil hat wearing people would believe these hallucinations. (((They))) took sections of the truth and with sections of the lies and (((they))) mixed everything together on purpose. A good way to dismiss the truth or diverge the research course = don’t look at Atlantis, look at the Aliens. It’s like (((they))) are baiting us and (((they))) are trying to twist and distort reality along with the truth. And lastly, check out whom is acting, directing, producing etc. the movie. (Chuckles!). It couldn’t be more obvious. Spielberg = the same trash that directed Jurassic Park in order to divert and twist the truth about the possible co-existence between Dinosaurs and humans. See how it works anons?
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471184 No.13203494
>>13203395
(Please read from the start)
And since I mentioned Dinosaurs, I took a look at the Acámbaro figures:
Main Stream History View: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ac%C3%A1mbaro_figures
Alternative History View: https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/immense-collection-strange-acambaro-figurines-evidence-dinosaurs-living-021137
I read both and I’m not convinced those are authentic, real. I think these are fakes. It’s not just what is written about them, but what I see is what convinced me those to be fakes. I’ve looked at the various pictures on the net, some have broken parts, but not enough pieces are broken, mostly the necks, tails, horns, spikes, legs, arms etc. = what we call the extensions. Also the ones that are broken are “too clean”. And, I agree with what was said in the Wikipedia page about the wear.
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471184 No.13203596
>>13203494
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The next Out-of-Place-Artifact to check is the Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca head: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca_head
“The Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca head is a terracotta head, probably originally part of a larger figurine, discovered in 1933 among pre-Columbian or just post-Columbian grave goods in the Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca zone in the Toluca Valley, approximately 65 kilometers northwest of Mexico City.
Because the head appears to be similar in style to artifacts of Roman origin, some believe that it is evidence of pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact between Rome and the Americas, a view strongly promoted by archaeologist Romeo H. Hristov. However, several other explanations for its presence have also been put forward.
Find
The object was discovered by archaeologist José García Payón during an excavation in 1933. It was a grave offering, found under three intact floors of a pyramidal structure. Along with the head were found a number of objects made of gold, copper, turquoise, rock crystal, jet, bone, shell and pottery. The burial was dated to between 1476 and 1510 AD. Payón did not publish information about the head itself until 1960.”
>> Here you go anons, this piece is authentic: it was found in an untouched grave and the layers above that grave were not disturbed according to Main Stream History.
“Evidence for Roman manufacture
An assessment of the case was made in 2001 by Romeo H. Hristov of University of New Mexico and Santiago Genovés T. of National Autonomous University of Mexico.
This result clears up the doubts of Colonial manufacture of the artifact, and makes the hypothesis of Roman origin – among other possibilities – applicable. The identification of the head as Roman work from the II–III century A.D. has been further confirmed by Bernard Andreae, a director emeritus of the German Institute of Archaeology in Rome, Italy. According to Andreae "[the head] is without any doubt Roman, and the lab analysis has confirmed that it is ancient. The stylistic examination tells us more precisely that it is a Roman work from around the II century A.D., and the hairstyle and the shape of the beard present the typical traits of the Severian emperors period [193-235 A.D.], exactly in the 'fashion' of the epoch." (Andreae cited in Domenici 2000: 29). On the other hand, an examination of the field notes of the archaeologist in charge of the excavation as well as the site itself have not revealed, in either case, signs of possible disturbances of the context (Hristov and Genovés 1999).”
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471184 No.13203620
>>13203596
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“A thermoluminescence test performed in 1995 by P. Schaaf and G.A. Wagner in the FS Archäometrie unit in Heidelberg, Germany established its age range to somewhere between the 9th century BC and the middle of the 13th century AD, confirming its pre-colonial provenance. However, Schaaf and Wagner have objected to the way the dates were described by Hristov and Genoves.”
>> Yes, the art work is from the Severian period.
“Hypotheses
Researchers who have analyzed the artifact have come up with several possible explanations for the object's presence at the site:
• A hoax: according to an informal declaration by Paul Schmidt, an archaeologist at UNAM, the head was planted in the site by a participating archaeologist, Hugo Moedano, in an attempt to play a practical joke on José García Payón, supervisor of the dig. Schmidt moreover stated earlier that García Payón was not present during the entirety of the excavation. García Payón's son insists that his father stated that he was on the site at the time of discovery. According to Hristov, these allegations are hearsay, and because the individuals directly involved have since died, a confirmation or refutation of the allegations has become impossible.
• An import from an early European visitor who came to Central Mexico. The date range for the burial includes the early period of European exploration of the Americas, though it predates the first sustained contact with Mexico under Hernán Cortés. According to Hristov, it is possible but highly unlikely that the head was introduced during the Medieval or early Colonial period. Hristov notes that other historians have considered the possibility of a Norse visit to the region and that the figure's unusual head-dress bears a possible resemblance to Norse or Viking headgear.
• It was traded or carried to Asia, and was imported to America via a transpacific route from southeast Asia by a Chinese or Indian ship. This thesis was proposed by Robert Heine-Geldern in 1961, and has achieved some support.
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471184 No.13203639
>>13203620
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• Hristov argues that a Roman, Phoenician, or Berber ship, or the drifting of such a shipwreck to the American shores is the best explanation. Hristov claims that the possibility of such an event has been made more likely by the discovery of evidence of travels from Romans, Phoenicians and Berbers in the 6th or 5th century BC to Tenerife and Lanzarote in the Canaries, and of a Roman settlement (from the 1st century BC to the 4th century AD) on Lanzarote. David Grove, an archaeologist at the University of Illinois, pointed out that being washed ashore from a Roman shipwreck does not imply any "contact", let alone Roman "discovery" of the New World.”
>> It’s most likely either the first suggestion = Hoax between archaeologists (remember the soda can story I said in the introduction? = it’s common for such hoaxes or jokes to be done between colleagues digging, that’s why back then I suspected my colleagues to have pulled a trick on me like that). Or it’s the second suggestion, as in this artifact was brought with an early European visitor whom gave it as a gift to the person buried in the grave.
It’s not the Phoenicians nor the Berber nor a trading ship from East Asia, nor the Viking. I have reasons why I’m saying this and anons will get the answer later on. What I’m saying is that I have figured out (at least I hope so) why we always suspect there are Phoenicians and/or Vikings in the Americas. I’m already working on it, some pieces = clues have already been given to anons.
We’ve seen the view of the Main Stream History about this, so now let’s check the Alternative History view: https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/tecaxic-calixtlahuaca-head-evidence-ancient-roman-transatlantic-voyages-021076
“21 NOVEMBER, 2016
The Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca Head: Evidence for Ancient Roman Transatlantic Voyages, a Viking Souvenir, or a Hoax?
A mysterious terracotta artifact known as the Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca head was discovered in Mexico, but it looks exactly like well-known Roman artifacts. How did this enigmatic object arrive in Toluca Valley?
The head was found in a burial that dates to around the time Columbus arrived in the Americas. It is impossible to calculate if the grave was made just before the end of the pre-Columbian period or at the beginning of the post-Columbian era. Researchers suggest the grave is from between 1476 and 1510 AD, but the head discovered amongst the grave goods is a mystery.”
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471184 No.13203667
>>13203639
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“It looks nothing like other artifacts from the site or the era. In fact, it looks like well-known artwork from the Roman Empire. However, the head was discovered in the Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca area of the Toluca Valley, which is located about 65 kilometers (40 miles) north-west of Mexico City.
Discovering the 'Roman' Head
The artifact was unearthed during excavations in 1933. The work was led by an archaeologist named Jose Garcia Payon. His team discovered a grave and a grave offering under a pyramid. The structure had three intact floors, under which the offering was found. Among goods like turquoise, jet, rock crystal, gold, copper, bones, shells, and pieces of pottery, the terracotta head stood out. The artifact was so shocking that Payon decided to not publish anything about it until 1960. He was probably aware that many researchers would think his discovery a cheap hoax. Jose Garcia Payon’s eventual release of information about the strange head led to a fevered debate.
In 2001, Romeo H. Hristov (of the University of New Mexico) and Santiago Genoves T. (of the National Autonomous University of Mexico) published the first results of their research. The two specialists were fascinated with the unusual artifact and tried to solve the mystery of the terracotta head. They said the identification of the head as a Roman artifact was confirmed by Bernard Andreae, a director emeritus of the German Institute of Archaeology in Rome, Italy. The head was dated to the 2nd or 3rd century AD, but its style shows the 2nd century is more likely. Similar-looking heads suggest that the artifact came from the period of the Severan emperors, who ruled between 193 and 235 AD.”
>> It’s a repeat of the Wikipedia page isn’t it?
“Although it all sounds very interesting, one must wonder about the state of the site where the artifact was discovered. Yet there is no information available about possible disturbances to the historical context of the site.
Summarizing the problem of the head, Romeo H. Hristov and Santiago Genovés T. presented a paper in 2001 which concludes:
“There are also some data of various kinds and levels of credibility that suggest the existence of a few sporadic, most probably accidental, transoceanic voyages before Columbus, which apparently had very limited -if any- cultural and biological impact. The find of an apparently Roman head in Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca, Mexico, seems to support the occurrence of one such voyage across the middle Atlantic, possibly somewhere in the first centuries of the Christian era.”
“On the other hand, notwithstanding that the Canary Islands were discovered around 1334 A.D., the highly probable contacts between the ancient Mediterranean world and the Canaries were confirmed for first time only a decade and half ago. In 1987 a Roman trade post dated between the first century B.C. and the third century A.D. was discovered in the Lanzarote island (Atoche Peña et al. 1995), and the continuing archaeological research has proved in 2006 that not only the Romans but also the Punic seafarers reached the archipelago no later than the fourth century B.C. (Atoche Peña et al. 2009). The implications of these discoveries in the discussion of the possible Pre-Columbian Trans-Atlantic contacts are obvious, and it is not entirely unreasonable to expect in the near future that systematical archaeological studies in the Caribbean, Mexico, Central America and Brazil may provide more -and more conclusive- data related to some isolated cases of trans-Atlantic voyages before 1492.”
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471184 No.13203704
>>13203667
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>> Sorry, but the old man doesn’t agree with this. WHY? Because Anons shouldn’t forget that the Phoenicians were the first to “circle” around Africa, by request of the Ancient Egypt Pharaoh.
“Although their statement sounds reasonable, a thermoluminescence test done in 1995 showed that the terracotta head may have been made in the 9th century BC. Those results don’t clear up the mystery of the figurine at all. Additionally, many researchers believe that the appearance of the Roman head is a hoax or a trick created by one of the archaeologists, Hugo Moedano, who might have explained his joke to Garcia Payon. It is possible Jose Garcia Payon had never planned to publish anything about it because it wasn't a part of the “real” discovery.”
>> Look! I’ve seen this done before. I know how Israeli archaeologists themselves “plant” artifacts that were dug up in the neighboring countries like Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon; but with connection to Jewish history or has Hebrew written on them. And then, they rebury the artifacts themselves while they are supposedly digging an undisturbed layer…and the second day = tadaaa, they found Jewish artifacts. This is how (((they))) are trying to literally fabricate out of thin air supposed “evidence” to legitimize (((their))) claim on the land and legitimize (((their))) ancestry. While some of us know MOST of it is false: a good number of the pieces were dug out elsewhere and smuggled to be buried on site. I guess if I was a police detective I would say this is “planting evidence” on the crime scene, right? Well, this is just one of the methods (((they))) use, there are others. I personally doubt every single piece of artifacts that supposedly comes out of Israeli excavations.
So I think it’s highly possible we have a similar case here and it’s done either as a joke gone “too far” or it was intentional in order to hide something else, another secret = you know, muddy the water, make it look ridiculous in order to have supposed evidence to debunk something real.
“Romans in Mexico?
Another possible explanation is that the head is real, belonged to the burial, and was an import from Europe. If this is true, the main questions become when and who brought it to Central Mexico. There are suspicions that Romans could have traveled to the Americas, but there is not much evidence to support this. It could have also been brought by Vikings, who loved these kinds of souvenirs from different parts of the world, and it is more likely that they took it to the site in Mexico. However, none of the explanations have strong evidence to back them up, so the mystery of the Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca head continues.”
>> I do have 2 questions: 1 -where is the body of the head? As in where is the rest of the statue? Why didn’t anyone try to find it or scan the warehouses, storage rooms and catalogues to find the body? 2 – And why are the notes of the excavation kept secretive? Smells fishy to me!
Yes, I do agree, this mystery is far from being solved. I think we should start by publishing what was in those excavation notes, maybe we will find clues about where the head was taken from and placed, planted on the site and by whom. I’m going to stop here about this artifact, it’s time to move on.
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0aaf5f No.13206305
KILL YOUR LOCAL ANTI-WHITE CEO Protect your people, remove the poison Poison sellers and toxin spreaders are free to proliferate their baneful products completely unchecked by law or society. Please do not redistribute ” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt. So no, I don ’ t believe so. Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM Kill High Profile Enemies There are well known enemies of our nations, enemies of our race that freely walk through our societies, heads held high, believing themselves untouchable. Within a short time regular and widespread political, social and racial violence will commence. That is a very broad category of people, and the definition is fuzzy at best. They would not be ignored. Australia, just like the rest of the colonies of Europe, is simply an off-shoot of the European people. As these baby boomers pass on and leave us behind, there will be a rapid and obvious change in the demographic make up of our nations, both statistically and socially. This is an attack on the very french people themselves and is a strategy designed to destroy national, cultural, linguistic and ethnic unity.
Did you carry out the attack for fame? But eventually, when enough people fight back and refuse to pay taxes, refuse to fund the traitors in power, the state itself will wilt, then collapse. They all turn on each other in the end. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. And above all they don ’ t even care if it does.
>This is an attack on the very french people themselves and is a strategy designed to destroy national, cultural, linguistic and ethnic unity.
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da1bf3 No.13206461
To survive with our culture, but to lose our lands, to lose our future, is a defeat. Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? You are nothing to me but just another target. Do nothing, Win nothing, Achieve nothing. History is the history of power. His death will also drive a wedge between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands and the ethnic European people whilst simultaneously weakening Turkeys hold on the region, removing a prime enemy of Russia and destabilizing and fracturing NATO. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. They all turn on each other in the end. It may upset many, but the truth of the matter is these people are directly responsible for the current invasion and sacking of Europe and their treachery has damaged European prospects greatly. Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Sitting at home comfortable, relaxed, posting on the internet, watching football and waiting for victory to arrive at your feet, will win you nothing.
Yes, though not for an official policy made. Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies. Sitting at home comfortable, relaxed, posting on the internet, watching football and waiting for victory to arrive at your feet, will win you nothing. For the disgrace you have heaped upon the European people and the distress you have caused to European women, you will die. Were/are you a supporter of Brexit? Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death.
>Refuse to pay taxes.
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a7c94a No.13206559
But if you attempt to live in European lands, anywhere west of the Bosphorus.We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little ``clever'' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. I am a racist. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Empty churches and full shopping centers? Eventually, when the white population of the USA realizes the truth of the situation, war will erupt. They will soon find out how wrong they truly are. CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD. And how does diversity increase that strength? I do not just expected to be released, but I also expect an eventual Nobel Peace prize.As was awarded to the Terrorist Nelson Mandela once his own people achieved victory and took power. To ensure the existence of our people and a future for white children, whilst preserving and exulting nature and the natural order.
Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. Religion? We do not have the birth rates to fight them at their game, nor should we as it is ultimately destructive to nature and culture.So I took matters into my own hands.
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ee55e3 No.13206605
There are cultural, ethnic and RACIAL differences that makes interchanging one ethnic group with another an impossibility. It is due to a lack of will. The Race? 2.Answers to my people/supporters questions What are your views? This is a tactic practiced not only on the French people, but on all the peoples of Europe, effectively destroying the nations identity at its core and smashing apart all bonds which a successful, unified nation is built upon. Who do you support? The Great Replacement Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Focusing on increasing the population of whites, or trying to gain economic wealth or military might, whilst already having met the requirement of numbers, wealth and military force needed is simply a stalling tactic, spoken and put forth by men too cowardly to do what is required. More skilled and courageous? You may stumble. What do you encourage us to do?
Why did you carry out the attack? I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. “ What more shall I say to you? STOP RUNNING, START FIGHTING Emotions rule over facts Stop trying to persuade the general population with statistics, charts, tablets and figures. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. To take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks throughout European lands.
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bbcfbb No.13206658
These repercussions will hit them hard, fast and without mercy. Don ’ t run from the fight, run towards the fight. Do nothing, Win nothing, Achieve nothing. Why is that their non diverse nations do so much better than our own, and on so many different metrics? I had little interest in education during my schooling, barely achieving a passing grade. They are finally removing their blindfolds and seeing the reality of the the world and their peoples future. All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. Its the cities where the struggle lies, its the cities where the invaders have massed, its the cities where the marxists have poisoned the institutions, its the cities where the traitorous media and corporations lie and its the cities where the anti-white politicians and the NGOs make their homes. How is this possible? The global and corporate ran press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions committed by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. On the east side of the Bosphorus.
Think again, fucker. You can not expect others do take the risks for you, nor should you wish for others to labour for you, if you are unwilling. Please do not redistribute ” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt. Thank god. Each nation and each ethnicity was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. But here ’ s the real kicker, the unarmed invader is far more dangerous to our people than the armed invader.
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a19bf3 No.13206665
UNTIL THE HAGIA SOPHIA IS FREE OF THE MINARETS, THE MEN OF EUROPE ARE MEN IN NAME ONLY The Rape of European Women Invaders Many of you may already know about the rape of British women by the invading forces, Rotherham of course being the most well known case. CHEAP LABOUR AND ALL CONSUMING INDUSTRY ARE NOT IDEALS, BLOCK FOREIGN GOODS FROM WHITE MARKETS Break the back of cheap labour Make no mistake, the major impetus for the mass importation of non-Europeans into Europe is the call and want for cheap labour. Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? When they ask why, you tell them why. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. I support many of those that take a stand against ethnic and cultural genocide.Luca Traini, Anders Breivik, Dylan Roof, Anton Lundin Pettersson, Darren Osbourne etc. Sure. Mass immigration and the higher fertility rates of the immigrants themselves are causing this increase in population. Likely a new society will need to be created with a much greater focus on family values, gender and social norms and the value and importance of nature, culture and race. That was during a triumphant VICTORY.
Nothing is conserved. Because you can not accept anything less. Likely a new society will need to be created with a much greater focus on family values, gender and social norms and the value and importance of nature, culture and race. I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible. To Christians “ The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations.
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6e65f7 No.13206714
Only elect leaders that show support to your brother nation. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? Are you a part of any political groups or movements? The truth of the political situation in Europe was suddenly impossible to accept.My despair set in.My belief in a democratic solution vanished. This is racial replacement. Unsurprisingly ethno-nationalists and nationalists seek employment in areas that serve their nations and community. The weaker we become the more immigrants will refuse to join us, refuse to partake in the cultural suicide that we extol. Mistakes will be made, losses will be had, some failures are certain and some endeavours will go bad. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Who do you consider white? The candidates were an obvious sign of our times: a globalist, capitalist, egalitarian, an ex-investment banker was no national beliefs other than the pursuit of profit versus a milquetoast, feckless, civic nationalist, an uncontroversial figure who ’ s most brave and inspired idea resolved to the possible deportation of illegal immigrants.
I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley ’ s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. How is this possible? The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field on the same day? From where did you receive/research/develop your beliefs? Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. That was during a triumphant VICTORY.
>To take revenge for Ebba Akerlund.
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558188 No.13206741
My parents are of Scottish, Irish and English stock. DIVERSITY IS WEAKNESS, UNITY IS STRENGTH Radicalization of Western men The radicalization of young Western men is not just unavoidable, but inevitable. We were born from our lands and our own culture was molded by these same lands.The protection and preservation of these lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our own ideals and beliefs. Force is power. You are nothing to me but just another target. Ethnic autonomy? Did/do you personally hate muslims? I want your neck under my boot. This time can not be relied on for a beginning of the rebellion, only utilized as a final stage of energy and escalation to finalize our capture of power. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many. This crisis of mass immigration and sub-replacement fertility is an assault on the European people that, if not combated, will ultimately result in the complete racial and cultural replacement of the European people.
So take the prison time, take the beating or even fight back. Simple, white, wooden crosses stretching from the fields beside the roadway, seemingly without end, into the horizon. Just a ordinary White man,28 years old. You may stumble. No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist. Better for you to face them now then your kin to face them in the future.
>This crisis of mass immigration and sub-replacement fertility is an assault on the European people that, if not combated, will ultimately result in the complete racial and cultural replacement of the European people.
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509e16 No.13206770
Why did you choose to use firearms? Do not suffer under the delusion of a Democratic victory, prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss and struggle, as it is the only path to Victory. It will come in a great wave of popularity, in a great awakening of the European soul. ” -Sir Oswald Mosley Who is truly to blame? If not me, then who? Mass immigration and the higher fertility rates of the immigrants themselves are causing this increase in population. On the east side of the Bosphorus. SEE YOU ON THE STREETS YOU ANTI-WHITE SCUM To turks You can live in peace in your own lands, and may no harm come to you. You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age. The end result is a nation in gridlock, unable to respond to any great change, unable to commit to any great projects. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. Any religious ideal that stood between the wealthy and wealth generation was downplayed, sidelined and quietly dismantled.
Because if we do not destroy the invaders first, our own birthrates will mean nothing. All I can guarantee is that inaction is sure defeat, power structures will be tested and likely will fall and most of all there is only the future ahead and attempting to march back to any earlier time will get you no where at all. EXPECT A SOLDIERS FIGHT AND A SOLDIERS DEATH The Danger of the Invader If you were to kill sixty armed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, you would be hailed a hero, given your nations highest civilian honours, paraded before the media and the adoring public. There is no one person equal to any other, not identical twins, not countrymen, not workers within a class group and certainly not those of differing races. In front of those endless crosses, in front of those dead soldiers lost in forgotten wars, my despair turned to shame, my shame to guilt, my guilt to anger and my anger to rage. Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are willing to WORK, let them in!
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57ffbf No.13206774
With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. His death will also drive a wedge between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands and the ethnic European people whilst simultaneously weakening Turkeys hold on the region, removing a prime enemy of Russia and destabilizing and fracturing NATO. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history. As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur. They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. Did/do you personally hate foreigners/other cultures? It should come as no shock that European men, in every nation, and on every continent are turning to radical notions and methods to combat the social and moral decay of their nations and the continued ethnic replacement of their people. Research and data. More recently I have been working part time as a kebab removalist. If we wait until the majority of the boomers begin to pass (between 2028-2038 depending on individual nations and life expectancies) than it will be too little, too late.
STOP RUNNING, START FIGHTING Emotions rule over facts Stop trying to persuade the general population with statistics, charts, tablets and figures. Yes, and it seems we immigrants seem to bring a whole host of issues. Suicidal, nihilistic and degenerate pop icons produced from a dead culture: Michael Jackson (pedophile, self hating, self mutilating, opiod addict); Madonna (degenerate, drug addict, childless, whore, anti-christian, pro miscegenation) Kurt Cobain (suicidal, drug addict, self hater, anti-social), Freddy Mercury (lifelong identity crisis, lifelong battle with hedonism and drug use, eventual death due to sexual hedonism) just to name a few.Empty nurseries, full casinos, empty churches and full mosques, entropy in blitzspeed.Politicians writ in the same ink as Eligabolus, worshiping all that is foreign, poisonous and subversive. I will let my actions speak for themselves. All through immigration. The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European.
>They don ’ t even BELIEVE in the race, they don ’ t even have the gall to say race exists.
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e60297 No.13206866
Canvas public areas in support of radical positions, even if they are not your own. The Race? I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. All I know is the certainty of my will and the necessity of my cause. But what few know is that Rotherham is just one of an ongoing trend of rape and molestation perpetrated by these non-white scum. I had little interest in education during my schooling, barely achieving a passing grade. Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength. They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. The race? They grow up and take the potential homes of your own people for themselves, they occupy positions of power, remove wealth and destroy social trust. I begun planning an attack roughly two years in advance and an attack at the location in Christchurch three months in advance.
Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible. How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. Lobby those in power to show your support, protest outside embassies of those nations that do not support the nation, and if need be attack them. Why is that their non diverse nations do so much better than our own, and on so many different metrics?
>Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your attack?
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b1d8ba No.13206885
Without overwhelming effort and extreme risk, expect nothing. The worth of your life is not measured by the length of your life, but your actions during it. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall. Because if we do not destroy the invaders first, our own birthrates will mean nothing. As for how the public perceives us? These situations are chaotic and virtually impossible to control, no matter the planning. Once the corporate and state medias grip on the zeitgeist of modernity was finally broken by the internet, true freedom of thought and discussion flourished and the overton window was not just shifted, but shattered. How is this possible? When they demand you pay, refuse. It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum “ diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength… ”. As these baby boomers pass on and leave us behind, there will be a rapid and obvious change in the demographic make up of our nations, both statistically and socially.
Sure. From where did you receive/research/develop your beliefs? YOU WAIT FOR A SIGNAL, WHILE YOUR PEOPLE WAIT FOR YOU It is never wise to become a minority group. Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture. I was travelling as a tourist in Western Europe at the time, France, Spain Portugal and others.The first event that begun the change was the terror attack in Stockholm, on the 7 th of April 2017. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide.
>The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate.
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a32f85 No.13206906
Unfortunately not, there was a much larger work written, roughly 240 pagies long that spoke on many issues and went into much depth, but in a moment of unbridled self criticism, I deleted the entire work and started again, two weeks before the attack itself. All in the hopes of a peaceful death? With these boosted numbers, and with our unified forces, complete control of the United states will be possible. The Truth that they are left, alone, an individual in a society worshiping the cult of the individual, to respond against an influx of outsiders from all corners of the world. Kill the invaders, kill the overpopulation and by doing so save the environment. We must thrive, we must march ever forward to our place among the stars and we WILL reach the destiny our people deserve. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. In the end human greed and the need for increasing profit margins of capital owners needs to be fought against and broken. No. No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. Yes, and to plead not guilty.The attack was a partisan action against a occupying force, and I am a lawful, uniformed combatant.
What do you encourage us to do? A. Compliments will get you no where. But they will not occupy our soil. The Race? This is a tactic practiced not only on the French people, but on all the peoples of Europe, effectively destroying the nations identity at its core and smashing apart all bonds which a successful, unified nation is built upon. No one can give an answer.
>Anyone can be a member of our nation, as long as they have the paperwork.
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a32f85 No.13206970
Paint, write, sing, dance, recite poetry. How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? Our present comfortable, privileged and prosperous life was gifted to us by our forebears, with the belief that we would maintain, cherish and even expand upon their work, so that one day our own children can enjoy the rewards of our labour. Did you intend to survive the attack? Sure. It ’ s the birthrates. Physical force is the ultimate form of support. Our lands are not their home, they can return to their own lands or found their homelands elsewhere. The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. But no one ever seems to give a reason why. It is far better to encourage radical, violent change regardless of its origins.
https: //www.facebook.com/206778229358786/videos/451628238207116/ But after visiting the mosques in Christchurch and Linwood and seeing the desecration of the church that had been converted to a mosque in Ashburton, my plans changed. Both would seek to destroy our nation, both would seek to displace and replace our people, both would seek to destroy our culture and nationhood. Long before low fertility levels ever could.Thus, before we deal with the fertility rates, we must deal with both the invaders within our lands and the invaders that seek to enter our lands. Who do you represent? The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. Due to mass immigration we lack the time scale required to enact the civilizational paradigm shift we need to undertake to return to health and prosperity.
>How did you develop/research/receive your views and beliefs?
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2ae57f No.13207065
The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities. How did you develop/research/receive your views and beliefs? WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? Did/do you personally hate muslims? Yes, and to plead not guilty.The attack was a partisan action against a occupying force, and I am a lawful, uniformed combatant. Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. Not by the maneuvers of the lobbies and the parliaments and the congresses, it will come under the stress of necessity. THE MYTH OF THE MELTING POT MUST END, AND WITH IT THE MYTH OF THE EGALITARIAN NATION No taxes to anti-white States Until our nations are run by men and women loyal to our cause taxation should be considered theft, and refusal to pay taxes a sign of racial loyalty. This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the “ melting pot ” pipe dream. Were/are you “ right wing ”? History is the history of power.
The Race? Brought forth two competing ideologies (communism and fascism) to replace this loss of god, then proceeded to allow both sides to slaughter each other to a standstill and then let corporate backed capitalists tear the survivor to pieces. I can not guarantee my success. If they could die, so can you. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. From where did you receive/research/develop your beliefs?
>Didn ’ t your attack just result in the vilification of ethno-nationalists/racial autonomists?
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14d5ab No.13207075
But for some reason this was different. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue. But the unarmed invader, we have no real idea on how to deal with them, we are unable to attack them or fend them off in any meaningful way. Inaction will lead to sure defeat. Did/do you personally hate foreigners/other cultures? Diversity is not a strength. KILL YOUR LOCAL ANTI-WHITE CEO Protect your people, remove the poison Poison sellers and toxin spreaders are free to proliferate their baneful products completely unchecked by law or society. I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. Many, one thing that can be said about the current state of the West is that we live in a target rich environment, traitors and enemies abound. In time, the truth will be revealed. ignore their demise?
In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. So yes. The economic elites who line their pockets with the profit received from our own ethnic replacement. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands. VICTORY CAN NOT WAIT, YOUR PEOPLE NEED YOU NOW! They would not be ignored.
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eb8173 No.13207159
Does anyone even ask why? But when Europeans from all countries and continents move to back their brothers, they can not possibly attack any one group. Don ’ t believe me, can anymore tell you the motivation of the Madrid train bomber attackers? Were you taught violence and extremism by video games, music, literature, cinema? Do you consider yourself a leader? This time of possible instability will also be a at a time where our potential nation enemies in the East will be reaching their own zeniths of power. Islamic nations in particular have high birth rates, regardless of race or ethnicity, and in this there was an anti-islamic motivation to the attacks, as well as a want for revenge against islam for the 1300 years of war and devastation that it has brought upon the people of the West and other peoples of the world. States hate other states, the electoral college is under attack at every turn and the races are at each others throats. These are the things that speak to people, connect people, drive people. If convicted, do you expect to stay in prison? TATP packages strapped to drones, an EFP in a motorcycle saddle bags, convoy ambush rammings with cement trucks.
KILL YOUR LOCAL DRUG DEALER Europe for Europeans The invaders must be removed from European soil, regardless from where they came or when they came. But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs. A political and social stalemate that makes any advancement impossible. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many. All else is intolerable.
>The internet, of course.
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43abe3 No.13207252
Did/do you personally hate muslims? The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force. Continued immigration into Europe is environmental warfare and ultimately destructive to nature itself. To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people. They aren ’ t going to ethnically replace the people, nor change the nations culture.They are the same people, they are the same culture. Focusing on increasing the population of whites, or trying to gain economic wealth or military might, whilst already having met the requirement of numbers, wealth and military force needed is simply a stalling tactic, spoken and put forth by men too cowardly to do what is required. Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? That isn ’ t a question. The final push was witnessing the state of French cities and towns. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors.
I had the will and I had the resources. As a policy maker and leader? As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur. Were/are you a christian? They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. Some are at different stages than others but all are feeling the pressure.
>A Europe of nature, culture and sustainable living practicing will not be able to ever compete in the global market.
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0336c8 No.13207304
Islamic nations in particular have high birth rates, regardless of race or ethnicity, and in this there was an anti-islamic motivation to the attacks, as well as a want for revenge against islam for the 1300 years of war and devastation that it has brought upon the people of the West and other peoples of the world. DIVERSITY IS UNEQUAL, HIERARCHIES ARE CERTAIN The present is a gift from those in our past Your ancestors did not sweat, bleed and die in the name of a multicultural, egalitarian nation. Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies. I pulled my rental car over, and sat, staring at these crosses and contemplating how it was that despite these men and womens sacrifice, despite their bravery, we had still fallen so far.I broke into tears, sobbing alone in the car, staring at the crosses, at the forgotten dead. Men of the West must be men once more. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? But for some reason this was different. Because the “ x ” groups can be dealt with in time, but the high fertility immigrants will destroy us now, soon it is a matter of survival we destroy them first. The attack was to ensure a preservation of beauty, art and tradition. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik.
We must ensure the existence of our people, and a future for white children. Why did you target those people? The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. Refuse to pay taxes. Any method that gives these traitors their sure reward is viable and should be encouraged. Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand?
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e840a5 No.13207313
No.No group ordered my attack, I make the decision myself. We could deport or otherwise destroy the entire population of invading non-Europeans in a week, if we as a race we chose to.We have the ability, we only need the will. Why do you believe you will be released from prison? Something, this time, was different. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid. The going will be tough and many of us will die. Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. Why you should risk nothing whilst others risk all? Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power. No one person in particular, I support many groups but I am a member of none. When non-Europeans are considered Europe, than there is no Europe at all.
Many, one thing that can be said about the current state of the West is that we live in a target rich environment, traitors and enemies abound. Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible. But here ’ s the real kicker, the unarmed invader is far more dangerous to our people than the armed invader. You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age. The cities are the economic, judicial, political, ethnic and cultural battleground of our people and it is there we shall wage our war.
>Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are willing to WORK, let them in!
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fe73ff No.13207475
Kidding, but Australian is a European colony, particularly of British stock and thereby an extension of Europe. The risk is too great. No one can give an answer. Without a single shot fired in response? Nothing is conserved. Strong men do not get ethnically replaced, strong men do not allow their culture to degrade, strong men do not allow their people to die. In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. Over a great deal of time, from a great deal of places. These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. If you are released we will find you and kill you, if you are in prison we will reach you there, if you try to hide these rapist scum we will kill you as well. ignore their demise?
You are not. Long before low fertility levels ever could.Thus, before we deal with the fertility rates, we must deal with both the invaders within our lands and the invaders that seek to enter our lands. If not me, then who? Religion? The attack was to ensure a preservation of beauty, art and tradition. And what can we do to stop it?
>Above all, just don ’ t be stale, placid and boring.
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6d594b No.13207533
Men of the West must be men once more. We were born from our lands and our own culture was molded by these same lands.The protection and preservation of these lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our own ideals and beliefs. There is no nation in the world that wasn ’ t founded by, or maintained by, the use of force. I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations. I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. What remains? Rage, rage against the dying of the light. If you survived, did you intend to go to trial? Are you a part of any political groups or movements? Please do not redistribute ” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt. Because you can not accept anything less.
But only one has the ability and only one has shown to be effective at doing so. Sadiq Khan, The current mayor of London at the time of writing, an open sign of the disenfranchisement and ethnic replacement of the british people in the british isles. Diversity is not a strength. No, carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable.After all who can remember the name of the attackers in the September 11 attack in New York? How about the attack on the pentagon? Revolutionary change is needed and above all necessary. Ebba death at the hands of the invaders, the indignity of her violent demise and my inability to stop it broke through my own jaded cynicism like a sledgehammer.
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23fda4 No.13207704
Why do you believe you will be released from prison? To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result. TATP packages strapped to drones, an EFP in a motorcycle saddle bags, convoy ambush rammings with cement trucks. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our enemies. If we wait until the majority of the boomers begin to pass (between 2028-2038 depending on individual nations and life expectancies) than it will be too little, too late. Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit. The survival of our people, our culture and our lands isn ’ t enough. No, actual nazis do not exist.They haven ’ t been a political or social force anywhere in the world for more than 60 years. If you lose, no matter how you acted in your loss; whether that is heroically, cowardly, violently, peacefully, virtuously or criminally, if your enemies are writing the history they will describe you as a devil. Unfortunately not, there was a much larger work written, roughly 240 pagies long that spoke on many issues and went into much depth, but in a moment of unbridled self criticism, I deleted the entire work and started again, two weeks before the attack itself. Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this.
There was a racial component to the attack. To continue on without our culture, but still own our lands, is a defeat. Were you taught violence and extremism by video games, music, literature, cinema? I want you in my sights. They all turn on each other in the end. No, carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable.After all who can remember the name of the attackers in the September 11 attack in New York? How about the attack on the pentagon?
>They need not be born here, share our race, our language, our culture or our beliefs.
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c3a759 No.13207760
Not if you know what I know and want for what we want. But when Europeans from all countries and continents move to back their brothers, they can not possibly attack any one group. They were not easily moved, They were icy – willing to wait Till every count should be proved, Ere the Saxon began to hate. Who do you consider white? Do not fret on the manner of how victory is achieved, all methods are possible, in the face of ethnic genocide, all morality is ambiguous. Lead and your people will follow. But they will not occupy our soil. But the unarmed invader, we have no real idea on how to deal with them, we are unable to attack them or fend them off in any meaningful way. Yes, by definition, as I believe racial differences exist between peoples and they have a great impact on the way we shape our societies I also believe fertility rates are part of those racial differences and that the immigrants in our lands with high fertility must be forced out to ensure the existance of our race. Your grand children? KILL THE RAPISTS, HANG THEIR FAMILIES Diversity is weak Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength?
I had seen many pictures and heard many people discuss the cemeteries, but even knowing about these cemeteries in advance, I was still not prepared for the sight. Were/are you a “ homophobe ”? But they will not occupy our soil. The United States is in turmoil, more so that at any other time in history. To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought. The United states is one of the most diverse nations on Earth, and they are about an inch away from tearing each other to pieces.
>Perhaps you could tap out, lay down, lick the boots of your occupiers and pray they will let you be comfortable, if only for a little while.
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e83bbf No.13207813
To avenge those European men and women lost in the constant and never ending wars of European history who died for their lands, died for their people only to have their lands given away to any foreign scum that bother to show up. These tumultuous times can be brought about through action. BE PASSIONATE, NOT PLACID No Profits for Anti-Whites For too long those who have profited most from the importation of cheap labour have gone unpunished. DIVERSITY IS WEAKNESS, UNITY IS STRENGTH Radicalization of Western men The radicalization of young Western men is not just unavoidable, but inevitable. Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this. The natural environment? Western Culture? The true question is, how did this happen? How is this possible? Everywhere I travelled, barring a few small exceptions, I was treated wonderfully, often as a guest and even as a friend. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. Barring the importation of all goods produced outside the New European zone (the new Western world) is an essential pillar of the future Western economy.
But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit. The media will paint you as villains, the state will name you as traitors, the globalist forces will name you as criminals and the traitors amongst your people will name you as enemies. It is far better to encourage radical, violent change regardless of its origins. Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. Their is no shared culture, ethnicity, language, values or beliefs. Why is that their non diverse nations do so much better than our own, and on so many different metrics?
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3d5d17 No.13207885
What makes you believe you are European, not just an Australian? There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people. Whether it takes ten years or a thousands years, whilst we are facing birth rates at sub-replacement levels, then our people are dying. Men of the West must be men once more. Stability and comfort are the enemies of revolutionary change. Don ’ t run from the fight, run towards the fight. No, I am not afraid of islam, only that, due to its high fertility rates, it will grow to replace other peoples and faiths. This Pakistani muslim invader now sits as representative for the people of London. Show the strength of your convictions, the truth of yours and the iron-hard strength of your will and they will follow. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Any method that gives these traitors their sure reward is viable and should be encouraged.
STOP RUNNING, START FIGHTING Emotions rule over facts Stop trying to persuade the general population with statistics, charts, tablets and figures. Win first, write the story later. Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD. I would estimate the number of soldiers in European armed forces that also belong to nationalist groups to number in the hundreds of thousands, with just as many employed in law enforcement positions. You will not find the truth anywhere else.
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ced05d No.13208859
Research and data. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines. I am just a regular White man, from a regular family. Drive them from your lands and give the traitors what traitors deserve: a traitors death. The people speaking now, acting now, fighting now, are the vanguard of the vanguard of the force of the people. Your grand children? Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. For every french man or woman there was double the number of invaders. We were born from our lands and our own culture was molded by these same lands.The protection and preservation of these lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our own ideals and beliefs. Not a place where english is the defacto language but a place where every European language, belief and tradition is valued.
Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective. In this tempest of conflict is where will be strike, a strong, unified, ethnically and culturally focused pro-white, pro-european group will be everything the average white family need and long for. Those that wish a future for white children, and to ensure the existence of our people. They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. YOU WAIT FOR A SIGNAL, WHILE YOUR PEOPLE WAIT FOR YOU It is never wise to become a minority group.
>The going will be tough and many of us will die.
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09c999 No.13211668
To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. I came upon a cemetery, one of the many mass cemeteries created to bury the French and other European soldiers lost in the Wars that crippled Europe. That should surprise no one. To avenge those European men and women lost in the constant and never ending wars of European history who died for their lands, died for their people only to have their lands given away to any foreign scum that bother to show up. The United States is in turmoil, more so that at any other time in history. “ We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities! Through our own actions and speech we shall show them a new path. Why do you believe you will be released from prison? The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed. In this hell the individual is all and the race is worthless, something to rail against and use whenever possible, a power structure to climb, or topple. The only option for a true man or woman of Europe is to labour, labour with all effort towards victory.
Sure. I was travelling as a tourist in Western Europe at the time, France, Spain Portugal and others.The first event that begun the change was the terror attack in Stockholm, on the 7 th of April 2017. Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. Their number uncountable, the representation of their loss unfathomable. This is ethnic replacement. Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power.
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48ca20 No.13211839
For how long did you plan this attack? Why did you carry out the attack? What do you want? Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. When I know, I will tell you. If not me, then who? If convicted, do you expect to stay in prison? The Truth that they are left, alone, an individual in a society worshiping the cult of the individual, to respond against an influx of outsiders from all corners of the world. Unfortunately not, there was a much larger work written, roughly 240 pagies long that spoke on many issues and went into much depth, but in a moment of unbridled self criticism, I deleted the entire work and started again, two weeks before the attack itself. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. Pedophile politicians, pedophile priests and pedophile pop stars, demonstrating to all the true depravity of our age.
Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European. I worked for a short time before making some money investing in Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel. Do not expect to survive, the only thing you should expect is a true war and to die the death of a true soldier. Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van.
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c08ada No.13211853
You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. You will hang. That should surprise no one. Meanwhile the 10000 ton boulder of demographic change rolls ever forward, gaining momentum and possibly destroying all in its path. I am an Ethno-nationalist Eco-fascist. The Truth that they are left, alone, an individual in a society worshiping the cult of the individual, to respond against an influx of outsiders from all corners of the world. Stability and comfort are the enemies of revolutionary change. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. All else is intolerable. THE MYTH OF THE MELTING POT MUST END, AND WITH IT THE MYTH OF THE EGALITARIAN NATION No taxes to anti-white States Until our nations are run by men and women loyal to our cause taxation should be considered theft, and refusal to pay taxes a sign of racial loyalty.
Why did you target those people? Were there other targets planned in your attack? I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. They will soon find out how wrong they truly are. Hell, even meme. The Race?
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0532e0 No.13211876
Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. You may stumble. DO NOT FEAR CHANGE, WE ARE CHANGE Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many. I would estimate the number of soldiers in European armed forces that also belong to nationalist groups to number in the hundreds of thousands, with just as many employed in law enforcement positions. WITH RISK COMES POSSIBILITIES, WITH POSSIBILITES COMES CHANCE FOR VICTORY Destabilization and Accelerationism: tactics for victory True change and the change we need to enact only arises in the great crucible of crisis. The wikipedia entry of these events follows: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015 % E2 % 80 % 9316_New_Year % 27s_Eve _sexual_assaults_in_Germany The true number of these events perpetrated across the Western world is unknown and certainly under reported, as both the state, the media and the judicial system work in unison to hide these atrocities, in the fear that knowledge of these events would enrage the native people of the West and damage the perception of our new “ Multicultural utopia ”. Conservatism is dead. Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. Ask yourself now, are you willing to shirk your racial responsibilities? Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children?
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Were/are you a fascist? A Moroccan may never be an Estonian much the same as an Estonian may never be a Moroccan. The invaders are the ones over populating the world. To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people. The Race?
>BE PASSIONATE, NOT PLACID No Profits for Anti-Whites For too long those who have profited most from the importation of cheap labour have gone unpunished.
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5377a2 No.13211890
When the time comes you must be ready to act. Historical, societal and statistical reasons. It ’ s the birthrates. A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Diversity is not a strength. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. SHOW THEM THE WAY FORWARD There is no sheltered meadow There is nowhere left to run, turn around, face your enemy, make your stand. What matters is your actions during the brief time between birth and death. These events turned my thoughts from pursuing a democratic, political solution and finally caused the revelation of the truth, that a violent, revolutionary solution is the only possible solution to our current crisis. The spell broke, why don ’ t I do something? Crush these traitor NGOs, kill their leadership, burn down their buildings, bomb their ships, tear down their posters and destroy their membership.
As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. All else is intolerable. Depending on the definition. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. This warlord must bleed his last, whilst he visits his ethnic soldiers currently occupying Europe. If they flee we will follow them, if they hide we will find them, if they try to shield themselves behind the state we will break through and reach them.
>Yes, and it seems we immigrants seem to bring a whole host of issues.
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cd1efe No.13211912
The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. Overcome us? I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. After an election cycle or two with certain Democratic victory, those remaining, non democratic voting, non brainwashed whites will see the future clear before them, and with this knowledge realize the impossibility of a diplomatic or political victory. This time can not be relied on for a beginning of the rebellion, only utilized as a final stage of energy and escalation to finalize our capture of power. Their voices were even and low, Their eyes were level and straight. THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM Kill High Profile Enemies There are well known enemies of our nations, enemies of our race that freely walk through our societies, heads held high, believing themselves untouchable. BLITZ TO DOMINANT POSITIONS All true movements are populist movements While the movement itself, at least in the vanguard stage, does not need to have the support of the entire population, eventually we will need our people to join our new society, and voluntarily. You will be infamous until victory is achieved. Finally I would like to send a message to the perpetrators of these attacks, and their families. A political and social stalemate that makes any advancement impossible.
The Race? Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers? Violence isn ’ t the answer, why are you using force? The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? You will be infamous until victory is achieved. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue.
>Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order.
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3c2d2c No.13211941
This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the “ melting pot ” pipe dream. The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik. It is due to a lack of will. Were/are you a supporter of Brexit? Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. Because they are the same issue, the environment is being destroyed by over population, we Europeans are one of the groups that are not over populating the world. You're fucking dead, kiddo. No, the attack was not an attack on diversity, but an attack in the name of diversity. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. Who do you support?
As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. Were/are you a neo-nazi? They are finally removing their blindfolds and seeing the reality of the the world and their peoples future. I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. Look to the heart of the conflict, march yourself there, press yourself into service. This is ethnic replacement.
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0b07e5 No.13211946
DIVERSITY IS WEAKNESS, UNITY IS STRENGTH Radicalization of Western men The radicalization of young Western men is not just unavoidable, but inevitable. All else is dishonorable. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it. Ignore the naysayers and weasels who will always repeat “ Not Now! Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less. Didn ’ t your attack just result in the vilification of ethno-nationalists/racial autonomists? Children of invaders do not stay children, they become adults and reproduce, creating more invaders to replace your people.They grow up and vote against your peoples own wishes, for the interests of their own people and identity. BE PASSIONATE, NOT PLACID No Profits for Anti-Whites For too long those who have profited most from the importation of cheap labour have gone unpunished. Something, this time, was different. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? The wikipedia entry of these events follows: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015 % E2 % 80 % 9316_New_Year % 27s_Eve _sexual_assaults_in_Germany The true number of these events perpetrated across the Western world is unknown and certainly under reported, as both the state, the media and the judicial system work in unison to hide these atrocities, in the fear that knowledge of these events would enrage the native people of the West and damage the perception of our new “ Multicultural utopia ”.
Was the attack anti-diversity in origin? To take revenge for the enslavement of millions of Europeans taken from their lands by the Islamic slavers. THE MYTH OF THE MELTING POT MUST END, AND WITH IT THE MYTH OF THE EGALITARIAN NATION No taxes to anti-white States Until our nations are run by men and women loyal to our cause taxation should be considered theft, and refusal to pay taxes a sign of racial loyalty. Look to the heart of the conflict, march yourself there, press yourself into service. Brazil with all its racial diversity is completely fractured as a nation, where people can not get along and separate and self segregate whenever possible. Refuse.
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4ebf52 No.13211987
No. In this tempest of conflict is where will be strike, a strong, unified, ethnically and culturally focused pro-white, pro-european group will be everything the average white family need and long for. Why them when I could do it myself? March. When I know, I will tell you. Who do you follow? Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand? Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? New Zealand was not the original choice for attack, I only arrived to New Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon found out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere else in the West. This time of possible instability will also be a at a time where our potential nation enemies in the East will be reaching their own zeniths of power. Goodbye, god bless you all and I will see you in Valhalla.
In the United States, perhaps more than anywhere else in the world, the cult of the individual has been practiced for the longest time and with the deepest devotion. The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel, smog and wires but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows. You will risk, struggle, strive, drive, stumble, fall, crawl, charge and perspire, all in the name of victory. -Altered version of “ The Beginnings ” by Rudyard Kipling To Conservatives Ask yourself, truly, what has modern conservatism managed to conserve? But the unarmed invader, we have no real idea on how to deal with them, we are unable to attack them or fend them off in any meaningful way. No two different things can ever truly be equal, especially humans.
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3c3cce No.13212013
The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Above all be ready for violence, and when the times comes, strike hard and fast. They would not be ignored. As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur. Those that wish a future for white children, and to ensure the existence of our people. Kill the invaders, kill the overpopulation and by doing so save the environment. Who do you follow? The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. Because they are the same issue, the environment is being destroyed by over population, we Europeans are one of the groups that are not over populating the world. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands.
Think again, fucker. Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto. The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European. Only for Muslims. These events turned my thoughts from pursuing a democratic, political solution and finally caused the revelation of the truth, that a violent, revolutionary solution is the only possible solution to our current crisis. This rapid change in demography will bring about a time of crisis, as the reality of our possible ethnic replacement becomes obvious to all, even the naysayers.
>Drive them from your lands and give the traitors what traitors deserve: a traitors death.
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465b5e No.13212099
Yes, beyond all doubt, anti-immigration, anti-ethnic replacement and anti-cultural replacement. Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). Were/are you a “ xenophobe ”? \ No, no culture scares me. Yes, beyond all doubt, anti-immigration, anti-ethnic replacement and anti-cultural replacement. I am a racist. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. It wasn ’ t even close. Research and data. I could no longer ignore the attacks. WHEN YOU SEE THEM; WHEN YOU HEAR THEM; YOU WILL KNOW THEM, AS THEY ARE YOU, AND YOURS. Does anyone even ask why?
Were/are you a nationalist? These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. How this worked in reality, well…only you know. If you believe we need to correct the white birth rates, why didn ’ t you start a family and do it yourself? We must not be in a chaotic, life or death civil war at a time when our rival nations are at their peak of dominance. Refuse.
>Why focus on immigration and birth rates when climate change is such a huge issue?
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feb277 No.13212159
Europe is only Europe because of its combined genetic, cultural and linguistic heritage. All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. Who do you consider white? TAXATION IS THEFT IN A TRAITOROUS SYSTEM Section IV In conclusion Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul. Yes, until I am either killed, released or enough time passes and the greater situation is an obvious defeat of our people.Then I will commit suicide, happy in the knowledge I did my best to prevent the death of my race. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? Was the attack “ racist ” in origin? Why not me? Because you can not accept anything less. You will hang. Both illegal and legal drug dealers are our racial enemies, ruining the health, wealth, family structure, culture and future of our people.These peddlers of filth are active in every nation and behave without any thought of their impact on their societies.
C. What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders.
>Why did you target those people?
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fc90a9 No.13212400
I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. These writing, and their coverage, are just a bonus. You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! You will risk, struggle, strive, drive, stumble, fall, crawl, charge and perspire, all in the name of victory. The invaders are the ones over populating the world. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force. But if you attempt to live in European lands, anywhere west of the Bosphorus.We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands. Dear god no. The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field on the same day? Due to the threat of ethnic replacement and our own horribly low birth rates, we do not have 150 years or even 50 years to achieve positions of power.
You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age. This should give us an indication of what may be truly at the heart of the issue. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide. The invaders are the ones over populating the world. Was there a political figure or party in history you most associate yourself with? The truth that they are rapidly becoming, not just a global minority, but a minority within their own lands.
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467405 No.13212414
Do not go gentle into that good night. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. The truth is that eventually people must face the fact that it wasn ’ t a damn thing to do with the economy.That it was the British people firing back at mass immigration, cultural displacement and globalism, and that ’ s a great and wonderful thing. To Christians “ The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations. They grow up and take the potential homes of your own people for themselves, they occupy positions of power, remove wealth and destroy social trust. But you won ’ t. The only option for a true man or woman of Europe is to labour, labour with all effort towards victory. Europe is only Europe because of its combined genetic, cultural and linguistic heritage. I begun planning an attack roughly two years in advance and an attack at the location in Christchurch three months in advance. If the media or state in your region attacks them, destroy the corporation and traitorous politicians responsible. Many, one thing that can be said about the current state of the West is that we live in a target rich environment, traitors and enemies abound.
Both illegal and legal drug dealers are our racial enemies, ruining the health, wealth, family structure, culture and future of our people.These peddlers of filth are active in every nation and behave without any thought of their impact on their societies. We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. This is cultural replacement. In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us. Why not me? To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves.
>If they are not of our people, but live in our lands, they must be removed.
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dc2b6a No.13212441
I am only wary of those cultures with higher fertility rates replacing others. You're fucking dead, kiddo. I remember pulling into a shopping centre car park to buy groceries in some moderate sized town in Eastern France, of roughly 15-25 thousand people. They all turn on each other in the end. To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. Islamic nations in particular have high birth rates, regardless of race or ethnicity, and in this there was an anti-islamic motivation to the attacks, as well as a want for revenge against islam for the 1300 years of war and devastation that it has brought upon the people of the West and other peoples of the world. Do you believe you are better than these men? Not by the maneuvers of the lobbies and the parliaments and the congresses, it will come under the stress of necessity. We do not have the birth rates to fight them at their game, nor should we as it is ultimately destructive to nature and culture.So I took matters into my own hands. Survival was a better alternative to death in order to further spread my ideals by media coverage and to deplete resources from the state by my own imprisonment. Do not fret on the manner of how victory is achieved, all methods are possible, in the face of ethnic genocide, all morality is ambiguous.
3.Answers to detractors and to those that oppose my beliefs/methods Won ’ t your attack do more harm than good? Giving your own earned wealth, which you received through your own labour, to a person or group that despises you, places laws into effect that disenfranchises your people and seeks to ethnically replace you is utterly foolish. They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. These greed filled bastards expect to replace our people with a race of low intellect, low agency, muddled, muddied masses just so their own wealth and power can increase. Did/do you personally hate muslims? The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed.
>As for how the public perceives us?
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a10fbb No.13212455
There is no one person equal to any other, not identical twins, not countrymen, not workers within a class group and certainly not those of differing races. LEAVE NO VIPERS NEST UNBURNT Don ’ t leave the cities, Run towards the fight, Not away Run towards the cities, run towards the conflict, run towards the enemy, fleeing from the enemy is cowardice. Due to the threat of ethnic replacement and our own horribly low birth rates, we do not have 150 years or even 50 years to achieve positions of power. The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. It was not preached to the crowd, It was not taught by the state. They are also one of the strongest groups, with high fertility, high in group preference and a will to conquer. Do nothing, Win nothing, Achieve nothing. RADICALIZATION IS THE RATIONAL RESPONSE TO DEGENERATION The failure of Assimilation Expecting immigrants to assimilate to a dying, decadent culture is laughable. I speak for my views and my ideals, and those that support me.Some may agree with them, others won ’ t. To take revenge on the invaders for the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by foreign invaders in European lands throughout history. Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration.
They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. It ’ s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary. It was another terror attack in the seemingly never ending attacks that had been occurring on a regular basis throughout my adult life. Do not go gentle into that good night. But it will take take some time, time we do not have due to the crisis of mass immigration. Break it ’ s back, anyway you can.
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d9daa6 No.13212514
Those that wish a future for white children, and to ensure the existence of our people. All I know is the certainty of my will and the necessity of my cause. The truth that they are rapidly becoming, not just a global minority, but a minority within their own lands. Was there a political figure or party in history you most associate yourself with? Was the attack “ xenophobic ” in orgin? If there is one thing I want you to remember from these writings, its that the birthrates must change. The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field on the same day? You are the voice, you are the klaxon call, you hold the first spear to be thrust at the invaders. On the east side of the Bosphorus. Sure. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today.
The cheaper labour and ignorance of environmental health will always result in cheaper goods produced with less effort and inevitably result in control of the market. To return to replacement fertility levels is priority number one. The survival of our people, our culture and our lands isn ’ t enough. Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. The people of the countrysides are already traditional, already close to nature, already supportive of their people. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty.
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d0b1b6 No.13212528
You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! They need not be born here, share our race, our language, our culture or our beliefs. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. The candidates were an obvious sign of our times: a globalist, capitalist, egalitarian, an ex-investment banker was no national beliefs other than the pursuit of profit versus a milquetoast, feckless, civic nationalist, an uncontroversial figure who ’ s most brave and inspired idea resolved to the possible deportation of illegal immigrants. South Africa with all its “ diversity ” is turning into a bloody backwater as its diversity increases, black on other black, black on white, white on black, black on Indian, doesn ’ t not matter, its ethnicity vs ethnicity. These I hate. The true question is, how did this happen? You're fucking dead, kiddo. Support them socially, back their policies, attack their detractors, voice upon support to the media and in daily conversations, make it understood on the internet that all Europeans nations support them. In the event of an engagement I had the somewhat quixotic notion of shouting down responding state enforcers, intimidating them into dropping their weapons and if that failed, only targeting non-vital areas of their body such as the anterior of the thigh, shoulder or a side-on through shot of the calf, hamstring or gluteal muscles so as to cause the least amount of harm as possible and to allow for a quick recovery. But they will not occupy our soil.
When non-Europeans are considered Europe, than there is no Europe at all. Not in Europe, not in the Americas, not in Australia or New Zealand. But they will not accept this death. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Ignore the naysayers and weasels who will always repeat “ Not Now! It is understood by many that the only real reason that many statistics of our ethnic replacement haven ’ t yet matched with our reality is that are numbers are currently buoyed by the baby boomer generation.
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3e5495 No.13212570
Nah, not really.An Australian living in New Zealand is much the same as an Austrian living in Bavaria. Was there a particular event or reason you decided to commit to a violent attack? One can not exist with the other. Do not go gentle into that good night. Support them socially, back their policies, attack their detractors, voice upon support to the media and in daily conversations, make it understood on the internet that all Europeans nations support them. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town. This wealth and prosperity was paid for in the sweat and blood of your ancestors. Not a place where english is the defacto language but a place where every European language, belief and tradition is valued. So yes. All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands.
No one is inspired by Jeb Bush. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? You are not. Did you carry out the attack for fame? The risk is too great. No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.
>No one is inspired by Jeb Bush.
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0532e0 No.13212578
The invaders are the ones over populating the world. Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective. A Europe of nature, culture and sustainable living practicing will not be able to ever compete in the global market. For now we appeal to the anger and black comedic nature of the present, but eventually we will need to show the warmth and genuine love we have for our people. There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people. I had seen many pictures and heard many people discuss the cemeteries, but even knowing about these cemeteries in advance, I was still not prepared for the sight. You are the voice, you are the klaxon call, you hold the first spear to be thrust at the invaders. If you survived, did you intend to go to trial? Why attack muslims if all high fertility immigrants are the issue? No one person in particular, I support many groups but I am a member of none. Did/do you have ties to any other partisans/freedom fighters/ethno soldiers?
THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time. Who decided to take a stand to ensure a future for my people. Are you intolerant? Was the attack anti-diversity in origin? Perhaps you could tap out, lay down, lick the boots of your occupiers and pray they will let you be comfortable, if only for a little while. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us?
>What do you encourage us to do?
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f711a3 No.13212603
Ask yourself now, are you willing to shirk your racial responsibilities? No, there isn ’ t a successful, influential grand movement established just yet, and no leading organizations, so there is no great structure created that could be brought to harm. That is complicated. Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. DIVERSITY IS UNEQUAL, HIERARCHIES ARE CERTAIN The present is a gift from those in our past Your ancestors did not sweat, bleed and die in the name of a multicultural, egalitarian nation. There was a period of time 2 years prior to the attack to the attack that dramatically changed my views.The period of time was from, beginning of April,2017 until the end May,2017. No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people. Were/are you a christian? Meanwhile they badger, trick and guilt-shame the European people into forfeiting their own hard earned income and giving it directly to their peoples cultural and ethnic competitors, many of which have the only intent of conquering and destroying the European peoples.
Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response. They decry weakness, mock fecklessness and worship strength, and in this worship of strength they radicalize and find the solution. In this tempest of conflict is where will be strike, a strong, unified, ethnically and culturally focused pro-white, pro-european group will be everything the average white family need and long for. Nor should you, why should you have peace when your other brothers in Europe face certain war? How did you develop/research/receive your views and beliefs? But the aftershock from my actions will ripple for years to come, driving political and social discourse, creating the atmosphere or fear and change that is required.
>No, I only wish I could have killed more invaders, and more traitors as well.
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bad987 No.13212755
The worth of your life is not measured by the length of your life, but your actions during it. Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. Be creative, be expressive, be emotional and above all be passionate. I do not just expected to be released, but I also expect an eventual Nobel Peace prize.As was awarded to the Terrorist Nelson Mandela once his own people achieved victory and took power. Sure. Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit. No. No one person in particular, I support many groups but I am a member of none. No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. THE UNARMED INVADER IS MORE DANGEROUS THAT THE ARMED The Lightning March through the institutions While the lefts march through the institutions was long and ultimately successful we must achieve the same, but in a much shorter time period.
For the disgrace you have heaped upon the European people and the distress you have caused to European women, you will die. How they are removed is irrelevant, peacefully, forcefully, happily, violently or diplomatically. Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers? https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies _by_total_fertility_rate There is not a single Western country, not a single white nation, that reaches these levels. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little ``clever'' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. Your grand children?
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ab55af No.13212797
My parents are of Scottish, Irish and English stock. It is a terrorist attack. There was a period of time 2 years prior to the attack to the attack that dramatically changed my views.The period of time was from, beginning of April,2017 until the end May,2017. Once the corporate and state medias grip on the zeitgeist of modernity was finally broken by the internet, true freedom of thought and discussion flourished and the overton window was not just shifted, but shattered. My parents are of Scottish, Irish and English stock. Preventing these enemies from reaching adulthood and their full potential of effect is of the importance. Ask yourself now, are you willing to shirk your racial responsibilities? Whilst the immigrants were young, energized and with large families and many children. Violence is power and violence is the reality of history.Wake up. Why make your children fight, when you could fight in their stead? When they demand you pay, refuse.
Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. Each nation and each ethnicity was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. But what few know is that Rotherham is just one of an ongoing trend of rape and molestation perpetrated by these non-white scum. You may stumble. The countrysides are already ours, as they have always been. Were/are you a christian?
>I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime.
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d5c450 No.13212811
As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. FLEE TO YOUR OWN LANDS, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE Section II General Thoughts and Potential Strategies ``It will come in one way and one way alone, not through existing governments. Do you consider yourself a leader? For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. Let us all weep for our faults that raise the divine ire, yes, let us weep… But let not our tears be like the seed thrown into the sand. No one person in particular, I support many groups but I am a member of none. Therefore, once we show them the risk of bringing their offspring to our soil, they will avoid our lands. Unfortunately not, there was a much larger work written, roughly 240 pagies long that spoke on many issues and went into much depth, but in a moment of unbridled self criticism, I deleted the entire work and started again, two weeks before the attack itself. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. I worked for a short time before making some money investing in Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel. No, I only wish I could have killed more invaders, and more traitors as well.
I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Why is that their non diverse nations do so much better than our own, and on so many different metrics? If we want to radically and fundamentally change society, then we need to radicalize society as much as possible. These writing, and their coverage, are just a bonus. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate.
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da22fd No.13212936
They must be removed. Drug use at all levels of society, in all age groups, any source of distraction or relief to escape a culture of nihilism. As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur. “ What more shall I say to you? They don ’ t even BELIEVE in the race, they don ’ t even have the gall to say race exists. No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. How they are removed is irrelevant, peacefully, forcefully, happily, violently or diplomatically. What our own nations now based on? Mistakes will be made, losses will be had, some failures are certain and some endeavours will go bad. Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. But if you attempt to live in European lands, anywhere west of the Bosphorus.We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands.
2.Answers to my people/supporters questions What are your views? When I know, I will tell you. Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power. We must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil. White people are failing to reproduce, failing to create families, failing to have children. What are your wishes?
>Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism.
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6ddbda No.13213002
We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. Pedophile politicians, pedophile priests and pedophile pop stars, demonstrating to all the true depravity of our age. RETAKE THE CITIES, RETAKE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT Support Your Brother Nations When one country moves, you move with them, support them financially, politically, socially and physically. After an election cycle or two with certain Democratic victory, those remaining, non democratic voting, non brainwashed whites will see the future clear before them, and with this knowledge realize the impossibility of a diplomatic or political victory. An act, which morals you doubt in the present, will be writ by your people in wonder and admiration in the books of history. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide. Do you believe you are better than these men? NGOs ARE TRAITOR ORGANIZATIONS If you lose history will write you as monsters, regardless of your tactics.Win first, write the narrative later. I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. They must be removed.
Dear god no. No, the attack was not an attack on diversity, but an attack in the name of diversity. A gradual change is never going to achieve victory. turn your back to your people? turn your back to your people? No, actual nazis do not exist.They haven ’ t been a political or social force anywhere in the world for more than 60 years.
>It ’ s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary.
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923277 No.13213177
You can ’ t. Due to the threat of ethnic replacement and our own horribly low birth rates, we do not have 150 years or even 50 years to achieve positions of power. It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum “ diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength… ”. I blame both, and plan to deal with both. If we want to radically and fundamentally change society, then we need to radicalize society as much as possible. REMOVE THE INVADERS, RETAKE EUROPE You wait for a signal, whilst your people wait for YOU Whilst you wait for a sign, a signal; someone to take up the spear; to cry out in alarm, your people wait on YOU. Do you consider yourself a leader? You are nothing to me but just another target. I can not guarantee my success. Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration. You are the voice, you are the klaxon call, you hold the first spear to be thrust at the invaders.
Above all be ready for violence, and when the times comes, strike hard and fast. Both would seek to destroy our nation, both would seek to displace and replace our people, both would seek to destroy our culture and nationhood. The invaders are the ones over populating the world. Do these groups hold power/who are the people in these groups? Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible. “ What more shall I say to you?
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605e34 No.13213179
MOVE AS ONE, FULL SUPPORT FOR BROTHER NATIONS Accept Death, Embrace Infamy Death is certain, you may die in service to some grand crusade or pass away in a hospice, either way you will die. Did/do you personally hate foreigners/other cultures? Prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss, struggle, death. Though I hold no great fear or distrust of other peoples. March. On the east side of the Bosphorus. In this hell the individual is all and the race is worthless, something to rail against and use whenever possible, a power structure to climb, or topple. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little ``clever comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it. Were/are you are “ racist ”? Originally the mosque in Dunedin was the main target, particularly after watching the video on their facebook page named “ Otago muslim association ” https: //''www.facebook.com/Otago-Muslim-Association-20677822935878 6/ The video war entitled “ Very interesting video.
These are the things that speak to people, connect people, drive people. This is racial replacement. This solution of a Democratic salvation is nothing but a pipe dream, and as our enemies increase within our lands, driven by mass immigration and the invaders own higher birth rate it will be pushed further and further into the realms of impossibility. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian owned once more. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement. Lobby those in power to show your support, protest outside embassies of those nations that do not support the nation, and if need be attack them.
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683cd4 No.13213302
Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration. The second event was the 2017 French General election. They are finally removing their blindfolds and seeing the reality of the the world and their peoples future. Though I hold no great fear or distrust of other peoples. No matter what. The only people that seemingly do not face such issues are those with strong traditions, gender norms, societal norms; the poor and the religious, usually a combination of all. Something that had been a part of my life for as long as I could remember, cynicism in the face of attacks on the West by islamic invaders, was suddenly no longer there. Merkel, the mother of all things anti-white and anti-germanic, is top of the list. Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children? As for me, my time has come. White people are failing to reproduce, failing to create families, failing to have children.
Were/are you “ right wing ”? Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. From where great leaders arise The men and women needed by a society in crisis are created by a greater societal group thought, they arise from their environment, from their folk, seeming springing forth from the people as if they were waiting for the moment. You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. They will soon find out how wrong they truly are.
>After all I am a private and mostly introverted person.
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36d4f6 No.13213403
These situations are chaotic and virtually impossible to control, no matter the planning. YOU WAIT FOR A SIGNAL, WHILE YOUR PEOPLE WAIT FOR YOU It is never wise to become a minority group. Finally I would like to send a message to the perpetrators of these attacks, and their families. I had little interest in education during my schooling, barely achieving a passing grade. No one can give an answer. For every french man or woman there was double the number of invaders. I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. Did you intend to survive the attack? When they ask why, you tell them why. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many.
You will find no reprieve, not in Iceland, not in Poland, not in New Zealand, not in Argentina, not in Ukraine, not anywhere in the world. Why focus on immigration and birth rates when climate change is such a huge issue? No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it. Nah, not really.An Australian living in New Zealand is much the same as an Austrian living in Bavaria. Luckily for us, the end results of this deracialized, irreligious and deculturized program show themselves. I begun planning an attack roughly two years in advance and an attack at the location in Christchurch three months in advance.
>Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power.
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82e355 No.13213434
There is no single place in the West that is even close to reaching replacement level birthrates, let alone birthrates that indicate a level of vitality and vigour. Depending on the definition, sure. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Who do you follow? It may upset many, but the truth of the matter is these people are directly responsible for the current invasion and sacking of Europe and their treachery has damaged European prospects greatly. Simple, white, wooden crosses stretching from the fields beside the roadway, seemingly without end, into the horizon. If convicted, do you expect to stay in prison? Were there other targets planned in your attack?
EXPECT A SOLDIERS FIGHT AND A SOLDIERS DEATH The Danger of the Invader If you were to kill sixty armed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, you would be hailed a hero, given your nations highest civilian honours, paraded before the media and the adoring public. It ’ s the birthrates. So no, I don ’ t believe so. Give your everything to your people. Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order. Break it ’ s back, anyway you can.
>What makes you believe you can speak for a group?
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51e8db No.13213444
But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. Who do you consider white? It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. WITHOUT CHILDREN, THERE IS NO FUTURE There is no democratic Solution Understand here and now, there is no democratic solution, any attempt to vote your way out of Ethnic replacement will be met with at first with derision, then contempt and finally by force. In front of those endless crosses, in front of those dead soldiers lost in forgotten wars, my despair turned to shame, my shame to guilt, my guilt to anger and my anger to rage. Yes, but death was a definite possibility. Islamic nations in particular have high birth rates, regardless of race or ethnicity, and in this there was an anti-islamic motivation to the attacks, as well as a want for revenge against islam for the 1300 years of war and devastation that it has brought upon the people of the West and other peoples of the world. Was the attack anti-diversity in origin? It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum “ diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength… ”. It may upset many, but the truth of the matter is these people are directly responsible for the current invasion and sacking of Europe and their treachery has damaged European prospects greatly. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands.
In front of those endless crosses, in front of those dead soldiers lost in forgotten wars, my despair turned to shame, my shame to guilt, my guilt to anger and my anger to rage. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. YOU WAIT FOR A SIGNAL, WHILE YOUR PEOPLE WAIT FOR YOU It is never wise to become a minority group. What our own nations now based on? Why were we allowing these soldiers deaths to be in vain? I would estimate the number of soldiers in European armed forces that also belong to nationalist groups to number in the hundreds of thousands, with just as many employed in law enforcement positions.
>Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit.
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3c44dd No.13213591
The worth of your life is not measured by the length of your life, but your actions during it. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. Yes, though not for an official policy made. CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD. Sure. Nothing is conserved. They see the decay all around them, plummeting, free-falling birth rates all across the Western world. Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children? But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit. But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights.
I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. What is an Australian but a drunk European? We must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil. Their voices were even and low, Their eyes were level and straight. But do not pay taxes to anti-whites. This is cultural replacement.
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8162e9 No.13213614
They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force. Yes, until I am either killed, released or enough time passes and the greater situation is an obvious defeat of our people.Then I will commit suicide, happy in the knowledge I did my best to prevent the death of my race. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Paint, write, sing, dance, recite poetry. Not by the maneuvers of the lobbies and the parliaments and the congresses, it will come under the stress of necessity. Yes, but death was a definite possibility. But despite this sub-replacement fertility rate, the population in the West is increasing, and rapidly. Were/are you a “ homophobe ”? But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. I could no longer bring the sneer to my face, I could no longer turn my back on the violence. Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens.
Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective. To create an atmosphere of fear and change in which drastic, powerful and revolutionary action can occur. Suicidal, nihilistic and degenerate pop icons produced from a dead culture: Michael Jackson (pedophile, self hating, self mutilating, opiod addict); Madonna (degenerate, drug addict, childless, whore, anti-christian, pro miscegenation) Kurt Cobain (suicidal, drug addict, self hater, anti-social), Freddy Mercury (lifelong identity crisis, lifelong battle with hedonism and drug use, eventual death due to sexual hedonism) just to name a few.Empty nurseries, full casinos, empty churches and full mosques, entropy in blitzspeed.Politicians writ in the same ink as Eligabolus, worshiping all that is foreign, poisonous and subversive. Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. To survive with our culture, but to lose our lands, to lose our future, is a defeat. Their number uncountable, the representation of their loss unfathomable.
>They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force.
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d248c7 No.13213636
Religion? Their number uncountable, the representation of their loss unfathomable. To lose our lands, our culture and our people is a defeat. No, the attack was not an attack on diversity, but an attack in the name of diversity. Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your attack? WITHOUT CHILDREN, THERE IS NO FUTURE There is no democratic Solution Understand here and now, there is no democratic solution, any attempt to vote your way out of Ethnic replacement will be met with at first with derision, then contempt and finally by force. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. Take from my views that which works, discard that which does not.Victory is all that matters. We must ensure the existence of our people, and a future for white children. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty.
A finger on the hand of the body of Europe. The truth of the political situation in Europe was suddenly impossible to accept.My despair set in.My belief in a democratic solution vanished. It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum “ diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength… ”. More immigrants are choosing to retain their own healthy culture, year by year, and even more telling, our own people are beginning to join them, looking outside their own watered down and deteriorating culture to look for purpose and guidance from outside sources. This open and often anonymous discussion allowed for information, outside of the states and the corporation control, to be accessed often for the first time. VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE NGOs are directly involved in the genocide of the European people Beholden to no one and hiding their true intent behold a faux-religious facade, these NGO groups ferry the invaders to European shores aboard their own vessels, directly shipping this vast army straight into European nations to plunder, rape and ethnically displace the native European people.
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d47f5d No.13213768
I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. SEE YOU ON THE STREETS YOU ANTI-WHITE SCUM To turks You can live in peace in your own lands, and may no harm come to you. Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective. The people speaking now, acting now, fighting now, are the vanguard of the vanguard of the force of the people. When I know, I will tell you. Only elect leaders that show support to your brother nation. Which I do not mind. Were/are you a supporter of Front National? There is no nation in the world that wasn ’ t founded by, or maintained by, the use of force. Yes, until I am either killed, released or enough time passes and the greater situation is an obvious defeat of our people.Then I will commit suicide, happy in the knowledge I did my best to prevent the death of my race. Young, innocent and dead Ebba.
Everywhere I travelled, barring a few small exceptions, I was treated wonderfully, often as a guest and even as a friend. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. I speak for my views and my ideals, and those that support me.Some may agree with them, others won ’ t. Worker ownership of the means of production? But, if those same people seek to come to my peoples lands, replace my people, subjugate my people, make war upon on my people,, hen I shall be forced to fight them, and hold nothing in reserve.
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8162e9 No.13213895
Because if we do not destroy the invaders first, our own birthrates will mean nothing. We must excel, both personally and as a society. On the east side of the Bosphorus. It was not suddenly bred, It will not swiftly abate, Through the chilled years ahead, When Time shall count from the date That the Saxon began to hate. Nothing else will do. Yes, and to plead not guilty.The attack was a partisan action against a occupying force, and I am a lawful, uniformed combatant. Was the attack “ islamophobic ” in origin? There are cultural, ethnic and RACIAL differences that makes interchanging one ethnic group with another an impossibility. I could no longer ignore the attacks. You will not find the truth anywhere else. How is this possible?
We can fight the armed invader, we know how, we have the ability, we have the soldiers and arms to do so. You are the voice, you are the klaxon call, you hold the first spear to be thrust at the invaders. But they will not occupy our soil. You may stumble. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? Do you consider it a terrorist attack?
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6ab568 No.13213932
Depending on the definition, sure. Do you believe you are better than these men? Both illegal and legal drug dealers are our racial enemies, ruining the health, wealth, family structure, culture and future of our people.These peddlers of filth are active in every nation and behave without any thought of their impact on their societies. In the United States, perhaps more than anywhere else in the world, the cult of the individual has been practiced for the longest time and with the deepest devotion. People from every walk of life, in every place of employment and field but disproportionately employed in military services and law enforcement. Your grand children? Preventing these enemies from reaching adulthood and their full potential of effect is of the importance. Not Yet! The weaker we become the more immigrants will refuse to join us, refuse to partake in the cultural suicide that we extol. C. What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? Force is the only path to power and the only path to true victory.
White people are failing to reproduce, failing to create families, failing to have children. This is ethnic replacement. But kill sixty unarmed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, and you will be considered a monster, dragged through the streets, ridiculed, attacked, your character assassinated in every way it can be and finally tried in court and imprisoned for the rest of your life. But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. Europe is only Europe because of its combined genetic, cultural and linguistic heritage. NGOs ARE TRAITOR ORGANIZATIONS If you lose history will write you as monsters, regardless of your tactics.Win first, write the narrative later.
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6986bd No.13213952
Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). They grow up and take the potential homes of your own people for themselves, they occupy positions of power, remove wealth and destroy social trust. Just Wait! I do not just expected to be released, but I also expect an eventual Nobel Peace prize.As was awarded to the Terrorist Nelson Mandela once his own people achieved victory and took power. The issue is complicated, far more complicated and difficult to fix than the issue of Ethnic replacement. They must be removed. Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. Just as their own courage will never flower forth. But eventually, when enough people fight back and refuse to pay taxes, refuse to fund the traitors in power, the state itself will wilt, then collapse. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes. In this hell the individual is all and the race is worthless, something to rail against and use whenever possible, a power structure to climb, or topple.
Ethnic autonomy? Yes. After all I am a private and mostly introverted person. Why attack muslims if all high fertility immigrants are the issue? Born in Australia to a working class, low income family. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall.
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558aed No.13214122
Was there a political figure or party in history you most associate yourself with? The global and corporate ran press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions committed by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty. A society of rampant nihilism, consumerism and individualism, where every individual is a competitor and the rights of the individual override all notions of responsibility. Are you intolerant? Nothing else will do. Suicidal, nihilistic and degenerate pop icons produced from a dead culture: Michael Jackson (pedophile, self hating, self mutilating, opiod addict); Madonna (degenerate, drug addict, childless, whore, anti-christian, pro miscegenation) Kurt Cobain (suicidal, drug addict, self hater, anti-social), Freddy Mercury (lifelong identity crisis, lifelong battle with hedonism and drug use, eventual death due to sexual hedonism) just to name a few.Empty nurseries, full casinos, empty churches and full mosques, entropy in blitzspeed.Politicians writ in the same ink as Eligabolus, worshiping all that is foreign, poisonous and subversive. To ensure the existence of our people and a future for white children, whilst preserving and exulting nature and the natural order. Within a short time regular and widespread political, social and racial violence will commence. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. Were/are you a supporter of Brexit?
Nothing else will do. More skilled and courageous? The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities. Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? This rapid change in demography will bring about a time of crisis, as the reality of our possible ethnic replacement becomes obvious to all, even the naysayers. No.
>The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands.
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06899c No.13214178
No. We must thrive, we must march ever forward to our place among the stars and we WILL reach the destiny our people deserve. FLEE TO YOUR OWN LANDS, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE Section II General Thoughts and Potential Strategies ``It will come in one way and one way alone, not through existing governments. Children are always innocent, do you not think you are a monster for killing an innocent? We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. DIVERSITY IS UNEQUAL, HIERARCHIES ARE CERTAIN The present is a gift from those in our past Your ancestors did not sweat, bleed and die in the name of a multicultural, egalitarian nation. Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. Were/are you a nazi? Invade the cities, take the cities, battle in the streets for the cities. Religion? Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration.
Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. Religion? Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children? This eradication of their people, their culture, their very soul. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little ``clever'' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.
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a4f1c0 No.13214181
This is an attack on the very french people themselves and is a strategy designed to destroy national, cultural, linguistic and ethnic unity. Please do not redistribute ” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt. I will let my actions speak for themselves. That is complicated. They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. Without overwhelming effort and extreme risk, expect nothing. Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength. There is no one person equal to any other, not identical twins, not countrymen, not workers within a class group and certainly not those of differing races. Let us all weep for our faults that raise the divine ire, yes, let us weep… But let not our tears be like the seed thrown into the sand. Yes, and it seems we immigrants seem to bring a whole host of issues. When they ask why, you tell them why.
The media of the world will be used against you, the education system of the rulers will be used against you, the financial power of the worlds corporations will be used against you, the military and legislative might of the UN, the EU and NATO itself will be used against you and even your own, previously corrupted, religious leaders will be used against you. It will come in a great wave of popularity, in a great awakening of the European soul. ” -Sir Oswald Mosley Who is truly to blame? As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Was the attack “ xenophobic ” in orgin? We must thrive, we must march ever forward to our place among the stars and we WILL reach the destiny our people deserve. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.
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c4dd9f No.13214254
To avenge those European men and women lost in the constant and never ending wars of European history who died for their lands, died for their people only to have their lands given away to any foreign scum that bother to show up. The attack was to ensure a preservation of beauty, art and tradition. It will come in a great wave of popularity, in a great awakening of the European soul. ” -Sir Oswald Mosley Who is truly to blame? We Could Be Hurt! ” for them the time will never come. No.No group ordered my attack, I make the decision myself. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People ’ s Republic of China. Ask yourself now, are you willing to shirk your racial responsibilities? A gradual change is never going to achieve victory. Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us?
Was the attack “ islamophobic ” in origin? Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? In my mind a rainbow is only beautiful to due its variety of colours, mix the colours together and you destroy them all and they are gone forever and the end result is far from anything beautiful. Who decided to take a stand to ensure a future for my people. To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. No, there isn ’ t a successful, influential grand movement established just yet, and no leading organizations, so there is no great structure created that could be brought to harm.
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0b82fb No.13214273
Did you intend to survive the attack? Support them politically, voice support of their leaders, their ideals and their people. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. They were not easily moved, They were icy – willing to wait Till every count should be proved, Ere the Saxon began to hate. A gradual change is never going to achieve victory. VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE NGOs are directly involved in the genocide of the European people Beholden to no one and hiding their true intent behold a faux-religious facade, these NGO groups ferry the invaders to European shores aboard their own vessels, directly shipping this vast army straight into European nations to plunder, rape and ethnically displace the native European people. They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. You may fall. Why did you target those people? But, if those same people seek to come to my peoples lands, replace my people, subjugate my people, make war upon on my people,, hen I shall be forced to fight them, and hold nothing in reserve. You can ’ t.
Though I hold no great fear or distrust of other peoples. To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. Sure. Inaction will lead to sure defeat. That is complicated. But here ’ s the real kicker, the unarmed invader is far more dangerous to our people than the armed invader.
>The Great Replacement Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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e1f317 No.13214286
Refuse. WITH RISK COMES POSSIBILITIES, WITH POSSIBILITES COMES CHANCE FOR VICTORY Destabilization and Accelerationism: tactics for victory True change and the change we need to enact only arises in the great crucible of crisis. This is racial replacement. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty. Australia, just like the rest of the colonies of Europe, is simply an off-shoot of the European people. You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age. “ What more shall I say to you? But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. I was left with a short period of time to create a new work and only leave my views half finished. Enemies bound by faith, culture or tradition with higher levels of fertility, trust and in group preference resulting in much stronger communities. These repercussions will hit them hard, fast and without mercy.
YOU WAIT FOR A SIGNAL, WHILE YOUR PEOPLE WAIT FOR YOU It is never wise to become a minority group. Luckily for us, the end results of this deracialized, irreligious and deculturized program show themselves. Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. Do not expect to survive, the only thing you should expect is a true war and to die the death of a true soldier. But it will take take some time, time we do not have due to the crisis of mass immigration. Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this.
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f5a3f6 No.13214341
Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. By living in New Zealand, weren ’ t you an immigrant yourself? We can fight the armed invader, we know how, we have the ability, we have the soldiers and arms to do so. Depending on the definition. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. But for some reason this was different. No two different things can ever truly be equal, especially humans. That should surprise no one. What gives a nation strength? Through our own actions and speech we shall show them a new path. But the only way to get to the final destination, total victory, is to get up and keep marching forward.
Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers? Nah, not really.An Australian living in New Zealand is much the same as an Austrian living in Bavaria. In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us. Did you intend to survive the attack? The final push was witnessing the state of French cities and towns. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today.
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a6750a No.13214344
That is a very broad category of people, and the definition is fuzzy at best. The people who are to blame most are ourselves, european men. These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. They are the most despised group of invaders in the West, attacking them receives the greatest level of support. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). I had the will and I had the resources. No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. Prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss, struggle, death. And how does diversity increase that strength? Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? Sure.
Meanwhile the “ diverse ” nations across the world are scenes of endless social, political, religious and ethnic conflict. To maintain a population the people must achieve a birthrate that reaches replacement fertility levels. If you are released we will find you and kill you, if you are in prison we will reach you there, if you try to hide these rapist scum we will kill you as well. Were/are you a nationalist? The United states is one of the most diverse nations on Earth, and they are about an inch away from tearing each other to pieces. DIVERSITY IS UNEQUAL, HIERARCHIES ARE CERTAIN The present is a gift from those in our past Your ancestors did not sweat, bleed and die in the name of a multicultural, egalitarian nation.
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951168 No.13214530
Though I did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack, which was given. Yes, I dislike them. Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force. But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. Was there a particular event or reason you decided to commit to a violent attack? Make your plans, get training, form alliances, get equipped and then act. Diversity is anathema to equality. Something, this time, was different. No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet?
I worked for a short time before making some money investing in Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel. Nor should you, why should you have peace when your other brothers in Europe face certain war? It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul. The natural environment? Western Culture? No. -Altered version of “ The Beginnings ” by Rudyard Kipling To Conservatives Ask yourself, truly, what has modern conservatism managed to conserve?
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b5ae75 No.13214584
If a an individual is in ownership or control of a corporation or business, and advocates or even accepts the mass importation of non-whites to replace the native European populations, then that traitor must be destroyed. Crush these traitor NGOs, kill their leadership, burn down their buildings, bomb their ships, tear down their posters and destroy their membership. Who decided to take a stand to ensure a future for my people. Is this your complete writings and views? The weaker we become the more immigrants will refuse to join us, refuse to partake in the cultural suicide that we extol. Who do you consider white? Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. What gives a nation strength? The race of the elect suffers outrageous persecutions, and the impious race of the Saracens respects neither the virgins of the Lord nor the colleges of priests. Just Wait! Were/are you a christian?
Are you intolerant? RETAKE THE CITIES, RETAKE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT Support Your Brother Nations When one country moves, you move with them, support them financially, politically, socially and physically. Not Yet! To ensure the existence of our people and a future for white children, whilst preserving and exulting nature and the natural order. No.No group ordered my attack, I make the decision myself. March.
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090585 No.13214599
And above all they don ’ t even care if it does. All possibility of expression and belief was open to be taught, discussed and spoken. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? A finger on the hand of the body of Europe. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force. Why should others fight for you if you are not willing to fight for yourself? Each nation and each ethnicity was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. We must ensure the existence of our people, and a future for white children. Lobby those in power to show your support, protest outside embassies of those nations that do not support the nation, and if need be attack them. Focusing on increasing the population of whites, or trying to gain economic wealth or military might, whilst already having met the requirement of numbers, wealth and military force needed is simply a stalling tactic, spoken and put forth by men too cowardly to do what is required. All I know is the certainty of my will and the necessity of my cause.
After an election cycle or two with certain Democratic victory, those remaining, non democratic voting, non brainwashed whites will see the future clear before them, and with this knowledge realize the impossibility of a diplomatic or political victory. Merkel, the mother of all things anti-white and anti-germanic, is top of the list. They removed the Europeans peoples autonomy and sovereignty for their own lust for power and wealth. Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit. With these boosted numbers, and with our unified forces, complete control of the United states will be possible. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
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3c44dd No.13214681
Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming. Yes, I dislike them. Revolutionary change is needed and above all necessary. History is the history of power. In the Western world this is roughly 2.06 births per woman. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us. No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! RETAKE THE CITIES, RETAKE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT Support Your Brother Nations When one country moves, you move with them, support them financially, politically, socially and physically. Few parents, regardless of circumstance, will willing risk the lives of their children, no matter the economic incentives.
Was the attack anti-diversity in origin? What better sign of the white rebirth than the removal of this invader? Who do you consider non-white? You can ’ t. WITH RISK COMES POSSIBILITIES, WITH POSSIBILITES COMES CHANCE FOR VICTORY Destabilization and Accelerationism: tactics for victory True change and the change we need to enact only arises in the great crucible of crisis. They see the decay all around them, plummeting, free-falling birth rates all across the Western world.
>Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers?
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79f452 No.13214755
Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. Religion? YOU WILL BE REVERED, BUT ONLY IF YOU WIN. VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE NGOs are directly involved in the genocide of the European people Beholden to no one and hiding their true intent behold a faux-religious facade, these NGO groups ferry the invaders to European shores aboard their own vessels, directly shipping this vast army straight into European nations to plunder, rape and ethnically displace the native European people. So take the prison time, take the beating or even fight back. I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. You're fucking dead, kid. No. This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us.
By the definition, then yes. Be creative, be expressive, be emotional and above all be passionate. Haplogroups, phenotypes and globalized testing. Ask yourself now, are you willing to shirk your racial responsibilities? Meanwhile the 10000 ton boulder of demographic change rolls ever forward, gaining momentum and possibly destroying all in its path. It is a terrorist attack.
>Luckily for us, the end results of this deracialized, irreligious and deculturized program show themselves.
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146266 No.13214770
Your grand children? UNTIL THE HAGIA SOPHIA IS FREE OF THE MINARETS, THE MEN OF EUROPE ARE MEN IN NAME ONLY The Rape of European Women Invaders Many of you may already know about the rape of British women by the invading forces, Rotherham of course being the most well known case. Depending on the definition, sure. Yes, and it seems we immigrants seem to bring a whole host of issues. Diversity is anathema to equality. For every french man or woman there was double the number of invaders. Do you believe you are better than these men? No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time. No. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist.
The only option for a true man or woman of Europe is to labour, labour with all effort towards victory. The candidates were an obvious sign of our times: a globalist, capitalist, egalitarian, an ex-investment banker was no national beliefs other than the pursuit of profit versus a milquetoast, feckless, civic nationalist, an uncontroversial figure who ’ s most brave and inspired idea resolved to the possible deportation of illegal immigrants. Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states? THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time. I can not guarantee my success. Do not go gentle into that good night.
>The weaker we become the more immigrants will refuse to join us, refuse to partake in the cultural suicide that we extol.
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2c5385 No.13214782
Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the 2 nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. Each year these degenerates are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, in our own cities and across the globe. Was the attack anti-diversity in origin? People are finding their way home. There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people. Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. Why attack muslims if all high fertility immigrants are the issue? A Moroccan may never be an Estonian much the same as an Estonian may never be a Moroccan. You may stumble. Invade the cities, take the cities, battle in the streets for the cities. People from every walk of life, in every place of employment and field but disproportionately employed in military services and law enforcement.
Why you should risk nothing whilst others risk all? Yes, I dislike them. To show the effect of direct action, lighting a path forward for those that wish to follow.A path for those that wish to free their ancestors lands from the invaders grasp and to be a beacon for those that wish to create a lasting culture, to tell them they are not alone. Few parents, regardless of circumstance, will willing risk the lives of their children, no matter the economic incentives. More skilled and courageous? That means those that can, or have the ability should look to ingrain themselves into these institutions and climb as far up the power hierarchy as possible, in the shortest time possible.
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598f28 No.13214903
That perverse nation profanes the hospices … The temple of the Lord is treated like a criminal and the ornaments of the sanctuary are robbed. No. Physical force is the ultimate form of support. Why do you believe you will be released from prison? These greed filled bastards expect to replace our people with a race of low intellect, low agency, muddled, muddied masses just so their own wealth and power can increase. Our present comfortable, privileged and prosperous life was gifted to us by our forebears, with the belief that we would maintain, cherish and even expand upon their work, so that one day our own children can enjoy the rewards of our labour. All I know is the certainty of my will and the necessity of my cause. KILL YOUR LOCAL ANTI-WHITE CEO Protect your people, remove the poison Poison sellers and toxin spreaders are free to proliferate their baneful products completely unchecked by law or society. Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies. We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. Goodbye, god bless you all and I will see you in Valhalla.
These same children will one day become teens, then adults, voting against the wishes of our people, practicing the cultural and religious practices of the invaders, taking our peoples lands, work, houses and even attacking and killing our children. To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. Because you can not accept anything less. When I know, I will tell you. The United States is in turmoil, more so that at any other time in history.
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dd1bce No.13214920
Let our lives be stronger than death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people. ” ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO? How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? This rapid change in demography will bring about a time of crisis, as the reality of our possible ethnic replacement becomes obvious to all, even the naysayers. South Africa with all its “ diversity ” is turning into a bloody backwater as its diversity increases, black on other black, black on white, white on black, black on Indian, doesn ’ t not matter, its ethnicity vs ethnicity. In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. The people of the countrysides are already traditional, already close to nature, already supportive of their people. But kill sixty unarmed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, and you will be considered a monster, dragged through the streets, ridiculed, attacked, your character assassinated in every way it can be and finally tried in court and imprisoned for the rest of your life. Everywhere I travelled, barring a few small exceptions, I was treated wonderfully, often as a guest and even as a friend. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. Sitting at home comfortable, relaxed, posting on the internet, watching football and waiting for victory to arrive at your feet, will win you nothing. Kill the invaders, kill the overpopulation and by doing so save the environment.
Finally I would like to send a message to the perpetrators of these attacks, and their families. His death will also drive a wedge between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands and the ethnic European people whilst simultaneously weakening Turkeys hold on the region, removing a prime enemy of Russia and destabilizing and fracturing NATO. A vote for a radical candidate that opposes your values and incites agitation or anxiety in your own people works far more in your favour than a vote for a milquetoast political candidate that has no ability or wish to enact radical change. No, I only wish I could have killed more invaders, and more traitors as well. Conservatism is dead. Was the attack “ racist ” in origin?
>When non-Europeans are considered Europe, than there is no Europe at all.
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871edd No.13214936
Were/are you a neo-nazi? The people of the countrysides are already traditional, already close to nature, already supportive of their people. Are you intolerant? How this worked in reality, well…only you know. Islamic nations in particular have high birth rates, regardless of race or ethnicity, and in this there was an anti-islamic motivation to the attacks, as well as a want for revenge against islam for the 1300 years of war and devastation that it has brought upon the people of the West and other peoples of the world. The worth of your life is not measured by the length of your life, but your actions during it. South Africa with all its “ diversity ” is turning into a bloody backwater as its diversity increases, black on other black, black on white, white on black, black on Indian, doesn ’ t not matter, its ethnicity vs ethnicity. Introduction It ’ s the birthrates. Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.
Win first, write the story later. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide. Were/are you a “ homophobe ”? Yes, but death was a definite possibility. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue. The Race?
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b3512e No.13214938
Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. They must be removed. To take the fight to the invaders myself. It is understood by many that the only real reason that many statistics of our ethnic replacement haven ’ t yet matched with our reality is that are numbers are currently buoyed by the baby boomer generation. It is far better to encourage radical, violent change regardless of its origins. But you won ’ t. Long before low fertility levels ever could.Thus, before we deal with the fertility rates, we must deal with both the invaders within our lands and the invaders that seek to enter our lands. Whether that is by encouraging and pushing increases to the minimum wage; furthering the unionization of workers; increasing the native birthrate and thereby reducing the need for the importation of labour; increasing the rights of workers; pushing for the increase in automation or advancement of industrial labour replacement or any other tactic that is available. But kill sixty unarmed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, and you will be considered a monster, dragged through the streets, ridiculed, attacked, your character assassinated in every way it can be and finally tried in court and imprisoned for the rest of your life. Better for you to face them now then your kin to face them in the future. Just a ordinary White man,28 years old.
Did/do you personally hate muslims? Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies. No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. You are not. Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this. We must excel, both personally and as a society.
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212793 No.13214974
The going will be tough and many of us will die. What nations do we have to conserve? No, there isn ’ t a successful, influential grand movement established just yet, and no leading organizations, so there is no great structure created that could be brought to harm. They congregate, discuss, despair, strategize, debate and plan. That is a very broad category of people, and the definition is fuzzy at best. Don ’ t run from the fight, run towards the fight. Lobby those in power to show your support, protest outside embassies of those nations that do not support the nation, and if need be attack them. Those around my were the typical Australians, apathetic and for the most part apolitical, only truly showing motivation in matters of animal rights, environmentalism and taxation. Even at Vienna in 1683 we Europeans still lost over fourteen thousand good men. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. Over a great deal of time, from a great deal of places.
The economic elites who line their pockets with the profit received from our own ethnic replacement. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. Show the strength of your convictions, the truth of yours and the iron-hard strength of your will and they will follow. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. Were/are you a “ xenophobe ”? \ No, no culture scares me. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate.
>Did you intend to survive the attack?
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ccc2d1 No.13214988
The global and corporate ran press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions committed by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. You may fall. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Brazil with all its racial diversity is completely fractured as a nation, where people can not get along and separate and self segregate whenever possible. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. -Altered version of “ The Beginnings ” by Rudyard Kipling To Conservatives Ask yourself, truly, what has modern conservatism managed to conserve? As these baby boomers pass on and leave us behind, there will be a rapid and obvious change in the demographic make up of our nations, both statistically and socially. We do not have the birth rates to fight them at their game, nor should we as it is ultimately destructive to nature and culture.So I took matters into my own hands. Even at Vienna in 1683 we Europeans still lost over fourteen thousand good men. THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time.
In front of those endless crosses, in front of those dead soldiers lost in forgotten wars, my despair turned to shame, my shame to guilt, my guilt to anger and my anger to rage. It was not preached to the crowd, It was not taught by the state. The people speaking now, acting now, fighting now, are the vanguard of the vanguard of the force of the people. Why is that their non diverse nations do so much better than our own, and on so many different metrics? Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. They must be removed.
>Anyone can be a member of our nation, as long as they have the paperwork.
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ee2b50 No.13215049
Research and data. Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the 2 nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. I do not just expected to be released, but I also expect an eventual Nobel Peace prize.As was awarded to the Terrorist Nelson Mandela once his own people achieved victory and took power. No. Barring the importation of all goods produced outside the New European zone (the new Western world) is an essential pillar of the future Western economy. Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. Ignore the naysayers and weasels who will always repeat “ Not Now! I had the will and I had the resources. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it. But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. The idea that all it takes for a Han chinese man to become German is to be born on German soil is as insane as a German born on Mars becoming a Martian.
No, just a partisan. But do not pay taxes to anti-whites. Even at Vienna in 1683 we Europeans still lost over fourteen thousand good men. Didn ’ t your attack just result in the vilification of ethno-nationalists/racial autonomists? The war will not be easy, the death toll will assuredly be high. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.
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3599e6 No.13215174
We Could Be Hurt! ” for them the time will never come. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. But here ’ s the real kicker, the unarmed invader is far more dangerous to our people than the armed invader. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Do these groups hold power/who are the people in these groups? But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. Why do you blame immigrants and not the capitalists? What are your wishes? They are not so much born as made to be what is needed of them by the greater group thought occurring around them. Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. Canvas public areas in support of radical positions, even if they are not your own.
Diversity by its very definition belies equality. To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people. With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. Are you a part of any political groups or movements? EXPECT A SOLDIERS FIGHT AND A SOLDIERS DEATH The Danger of the Invader If you were to kill sixty armed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, you would be hailed a hero, given your nations highest civilian honours, paraded before the media and the adoring public. ignore their demise?
>Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this.
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0ad128 No.13215183
CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD. Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order. CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD. You may stumble. Why do you blame immigrants and not the capitalists? Why did you carry out the attack? Were/are you “ left wing ”? And above all they don ’ t even care if it does. Depending on the definition, sure. Create memes, post memes, and spread memes. Diversity by its very definition belies equality.
You can not expect others do take the risks for you, nor should you wish for others to labour for you, if you are unwilling. That isn ’ t a question. Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? Kill the invaders, kill the overpopulation and by doing so save the environment. THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik.
>Survival was a better alternative to death in order to further spread my ideals by media coverage and to deplete resources from the state by my own imprisonment.
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18c529 No.13215219
Who do you support? This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us. Don ’ t run from the fight, run towards the fight. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? Nothing is conserved. We must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil. Brought forth two competing ideologies (communism and fascism) to replace this loss of god, then proceeded to allow both sides to slaughter each other to a standstill and then let corporate backed capitalists tear the survivor to pieces. Do you consider yourself a leader? The truth that the West killed the notion of god, and proceeded to replace it with nothing. You can ’ t. They need not be born here, share our race, our language, our culture or our beliefs.
You are nothing to me but just another target. In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. You will be infamous until victory is achieved. This solution of a Democratic salvation is nothing but a pipe dream, and as our enemies increase within our lands, driven by mass immigration and the invaders own higher birth rate it will be pushed further and further into the realms of impossibility. A finger on the hand of the body of Europe.
>There is not a single place left where the tendrils of replacement migration have not touched.
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ded98b No.13215224
“ What more shall I say to you? Not Yet! Were/are you a conservative? Each nation and each ethnicity was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. Depending on the definition. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many. Everywhere I travelled, barring a few small exceptions, I was treated wonderfully, often as a guest and even as a friend. Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? C. What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? The attack was to ensure a preservation of beauty, art and tradition.
But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. The worth of your life is not measured by the length of your life, but your actions during it. Not by the maneuvers of the lobbies and the parliaments and the congresses, it will come under the stress of necessity. NO ONE WILL WILLFULLY JOIN THE DECAY Green nationalism is the only true nationalism There is no Conservatism without nature, there is no nationalism without environmentalism, the natural environment of our lands shaped us just as we shaped it. Those that are ethnically and culturally European. No one is inspired by Jeb Bush.
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c84ce4 No.13215236
I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. The Race? Inaction will lead to sure defeat. But do not pay taxes to anti-whites. There was a period of time 2 years prior to the attack to the attack that dramatically changed my views.The period of time was from, beginning of April,2017 until the end May,2017. I could no longer ignore the attacks. To ensure the existence of our people and a future for white children, whilst preserving and exulting nature and the natural order. There was a racial component to the attack. These men and women are not being being brain-washed, corrupted or misled. DO NOT FEAR CHANGE, WE ARE CHANGE Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs. -Altered version of “ The Beginnings ” by Rudyard Kipling To Conservatives Ask yourself, truly, what has modern conservatism managed to conserve?
I worked for a short time before making some money investing in Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel. Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength. VICTORY CAN NOT WAIT, YOUR PEOPLE NEED YOU NOW! The United states is one of the most diverse nations on Earth, and they are about an inch away from tearing each other to pieces. The global market thus therefore never be allowed to compete in the new European market. Why did you choose this time to attack?
>Just do not allow your scepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you.
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683cd4 No.13215275
But kill sixty unarmed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, and you will be considered a monster, dragged through the streets, ridiculed, attacked, your character assassinated in every way it can be and finally tried in court and imprisoned for the rest of your life. Those that find themselves born linguistically in the minority suffer daily, as the conversation of life excludes them, the mass media isolates them and businesses turn them away, as does the societies speech itself. LEAVE NO VIPERS NEST UNBURNT Don ’ t leave the cities, Run towards the fight, Not away Run towards the cities, run towards the conflict, run towards the enemy, fleeing from the enemy is cowardice. STOP RUNNING, START FIGHTING Emotions rule over facts Stop trying to persuade the general population with statistics, charts, tablets and figures. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. This is WHITE GENOCIDE. To take revenge on the invaders for the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by foreign invaders in European lands throughout history. If they are not of our people, but live in our lands, they must be removed. To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force. How is this possible? The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed.
In the end human greed and the need for increasing profit margins of capital owners needs to be fought against and broken. KILL YOUR LOCAL ANTI-WHITE CEO Protect your people, remove the poison Poison sellers and toxin spreaders are free to proliferate their baneful products completely unchecked by law or society. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town. Roma, African, Indian, Turkish, Semitic or other. Who do you consider white? KILL YOUR LOCAL ANTI-WHITE CEO Protect your people, remove the poison Poison sellers and toxin spreaders are free to proliferate their baneful products completely unchecked by law or society.
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890c72 No.13215298
But the only way to get to the final destination, total victory, is to get up and keep marching forward. To show the effect of direct action, lighting a path forward for those that wish to follow.A path for those that wish to free their ancestors lands from the invaders grasp and to be a beacon for those that wish to create a lasting culture, to tell them they are not alone. Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture. This crisis of mass immigration and sub-replacement fertility is an assault on the European people that, if not combated, will ultimately result in the complete racial and cultural replacement of the European people. Why is that their non diverse nations do so much better than our own, and on so many different metrics? Haplogroups, phenotypes and globalized testing. What do you encourage us to do? Overcome us? The french people were often in a minority themselves, and the french that were in the streets were often alone, childless or of advanced age. Diversity by its very definition belies equality.
Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. If you believe we need to correct the white birth rates, why didn ’ t you start a family and do it yourself? Resulting in a society with no core beliefs, no purpose and no vision for the future. I could no longer bring the sneer to my face, I could no longer turn my back on the violence. In time, the truth will be revealed. The only muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions and became blood traitors to their own race.
>DIVERSITY IS WEAKNESS, UNITY IS STRENGTH Radicalization of Western men The radicalization of young Western men is not just unavoidable, but inevitable.
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7c2c6e No.13215330
Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit. Whether it takes ten years or a thousands years, whilst we are facing birth rates at sub-replacement levels, then our people are dying. I was travelling as a tourist in Western Europe at the time, France, Spain Portugal and others.The first event that begun the change was the terror attack in Stockholm, on the 7 th of April 2017. No. No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist. No, they ’ re a party of milquetoast civic nationalist boomers, completely incapable of creating real change and with no actual viable plan to save their nation. To Christians “ The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations. Was the attack “ xenophobic ” in orgin? Lead and your people will follow. EXPECT A SOLDIERS FIGHT AND A SOLDIERS DEATH The Danger of the Invader If you were to kill sixty armed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, you would be hailed a hero, given your nations highest civilian honours, paraded before the media and the adoring public. Were/are you a “ islamophobe ”?
No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. But they will not occupy our soil. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. KILL YOUR LOCAL DRUG DEALER Europe for Europeans The invaders must be removed from European soil, regardless from where they came or when they came. In every french city, in every french town the invaders were there. Empty churches and full shopping centers?
>What our own nations now based on?
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347dfd No.13215368
Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? Not Yet! If you lose, no matter how you acted in your loss; whether that is heroically, cowardly, violently, peacefully, virtuously or criminally, if your enemies are writing the history they will describe you as a devil. These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. Your grand children? Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your attack? They were not easily moved, They were icy – willing to wait Till every count should be proved, Ere the Saxon began to hate. All through immigration. To lose our lands, our culture and our people is a defeat. Do these groups hold power/who are the people in these groups? I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations.
Their voices were even and low, Their eyes were level and straight. DIVERSITY IS UNEQUAL, HIERARCHIES ARE CERTAIN The present is a gift from those in our past Your ancestors did not sweat, bleed and die in the name of a multicultural, egalitarian nation. What makes you believe there are racial differences and that those differences matter? WHEN YOU SEE THEM; WHEN YOU HEAR THEM; YOU WILL KNOW THEM, AS THEY ARE YOU, AND YOURS. Create memes, post memes, and spread memes. Do you believe you are better than these men?
>Even at Vienna in 1683 we Europeans still lost over fourteen thousand good men.
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2be86e No.13229103
We must ensure the existence of our people, and a future for white children. Something that had been a part of my life for as long as I could remember, cynicism in the face of attacks on the West by islamic invaders, was suddenly no longer there. We do not have the birth rates to fight them at their game, nor should we as it is ultimately destructive to nature and culture.So I took matters into my own hands. THE MYTH OF THE MELTING POT MUST END, AND WITH IT THE MYTH OF THE EGALITARIAN NATION No taxes to anti-white States Until our nations are run by men and women loyal to our cause taxation should be considered theft, and refusal to pay taxes a sign of racial loyalty. We grow older, fewer, weaker and more fundamentally closer to true death the longer we allow our birthrates to remain so catastrophically low. They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley ’ s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. Was the attack “ racist ” in origin? Drive through confessionals and no fault divorce? We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years.
As by this time the invaders and occupiers of lands, non-Europeans, numbers will swollen to a staggering size, due to both mass immigration and the differing birthrates between the native European people and these invaders. Anything else is a defeat. WITH RISK COMES POSSIBILITIES, WITH POSSIBILITES COMES CHANCE FOR VICTORY Destabilization and Accelerationism: tactics for victory True change and the change we need to enact only arises in the great crucible of crisis. Finally there are those that find themselves in the ethnic or racial minority and find their very own genes being bred out of existence through miscegenation and differing racial birth rates. Did you carry out the attack for fame? The worth of your life is not measured by the length of your life, but your actions during it.
>>13226538
Best Korea Please :( give us /pol/ back or I wont stop, ya oga booga niggers
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0efd37 No.13229105
In the United States, perhaps more than anywhere else in the world, the cult of the individual has been practiced for the longest time and with the deepest devotion. But do not pay taxes to anti-whites. Were/are you “ left wing ”? UNTIL THE HAGIA SOPHIA IS FREE OF THE MINARETS, THE MEN OF EUROPE ARE MEN IN NAME ONLY The Rape of European Women Invaders Many of you may already know about the rape of British women by the invading forces, Rotherham of course being the most well known case. Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. Children are always innocent, do you not think you are a monster for killing an innocent? This warlord must bleed his last, whilst he visits his ethnic soldiers currently occupying Europe. Expect death, expect struggle, expect loss that you will never forget. I remember pulling into a shopping centre car park to buy groceries in some moderate sized town in Eastern France, of roughly 15-25 thousand people. The people who are to blame most are ourselves, european men. Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies.
They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. The truth that the West killed the notion of god, and proceeded to replace it with nothing. But when Europeans from all countries and continents move to back their brothers, they can not possibly attack any one group. Show the strength of your convictions, the truth of yours and the iron-hard strength of your will and they will follow. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian owned once more. The end result is a nation in gridlock, unable to respond to any great change, unable to commit to any great projects.
>>13226538
Best Korea Please :( give us /pol/ back or I wont stop, ya oga booga niggers
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eb8f69 No.13229158
And above all they don ’ t even care if it does. But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. LEAVE NO VIPERS NEST UNBURNT Don ’ t leave the cities, Run towards the fight, Not away Run towards the cities, run towards the conflict, run towards the enemy, fleeing from the enemy is cowardice. Young, innocent and dead Ebba. Each year these degenerates are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, in our own cities and across the globe. Europe is only Europe because of its combined genetic, cultural and linguistic heritage. But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit. All else is insufficient. History is the history of power. Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? TAXATION IS THEFT IN A TRAITOROUS SYSTEM Section IV In conclusion Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
The cities are the economic, judicial, political, ethnic and cultural battleground of our people and it is there we shall wage our war. No, I simply do not care all that much what gay people do.As long as they are loyal to their people and place their peoples well being first, then I have no issues. What makes you believe you can speak for a group? I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley ’ s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! Did you carry out the attack for fame?
>Were/are you a nationalist?
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0267cf No.13229162
No, they ’ re a party of milquetoast civic nationalist boomers, completely incapable of creating real change and with no actual viable plan to save their nation. Mass immigration will disenfranchise us, subvert our nations, destroy our communities, destroy our ethnic binds, destroy our cultures, destroy our peoples. Are you a part of any political groups or movements? Finding their people, finding their traditions, seeing through the lies of history, the brainwashing of the institutions and they angry, they are energized and yes, against their degenerate societies, they are radicalized. No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. Each nation and each ethnicity was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us. Let our lives be stronger than death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people. ” ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO? This Pakistani muslim invader now sits as representative for the people of London. There is no pleasant meadow in which you can lay down your weary body, rest your head and wait for it all to blow over. If convicted, do you expect to stay in prison?
A gradual change is never going to achieve victory. The end result is a nation in gridlock, unable to respond to any great change, unable to commit to any great projects. Long before low fertility levels ever could.Thus, before we deal with the fertility rates, we must deal with both the invaders within our lands and the invaders that seek to enter our lands. They slaved for a better future for their people, and now other peoples shake their fists and point their fingers, reprimanding us for living better lives, wealthier lives in wealthier countries. A vote for a radical candidate that opposes your values and incites agitation or anxiety in your own people works far more in your favour than a vote for a milquetoast political candidate that has no ability or wish to enact radical change. As these baby boomers pass on and leave us behind, there will be a rapid and obvious change in the demographic make up of our nations, both statistically and socially.
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71863c No.13229216
If they could die, so can you. As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur. Only for Muslims. A muslim man or woman choosing to invade our lands live on our soil and replace our people? All else is dishonorable. Let our lives be stronger than death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people. ” ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO? No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. To continue on without our culture, but still own our lands, is a defeat. “ We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities! Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration. Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences.
You will risk, struggle, strive, drive, stumble, fall, crawl, charge and perspire, all in the name of victory. I am sure the journalists will love that. Didn ’ t your attack just result in the vilification of ethno-nationalists/racial autonomists? I could no longer ignore the attacks. Within a short time regular and widespread political, social and racial violence will commence. Don ’ t believe me, can anymore tell you the motivation of the Madrid train bomber attackers?
>Sure.
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71863c No.13229249
It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. So take the prison time, take the beating or even fight back. The truth is that eventually people must face the fact that it wasn ’ t a damn thing to do with the economy.That it was the British people firing back at mass immigration, cultural displacement and globalism, and that ’ s a great and wonderful thing. Because you can not accept anything less. The global and corporate run press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. Just a ordinary White man,28 years old. The true question is, how did this happen? Did you intend to kill police officers or other enforcers of the state? But they will not accept this death. We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. It ’ s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary.
I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. Why did you target those people? A muslim man or woman living in their homelands? No. It is understood by many that the only real reason that many statistics of our ethnic replacement haven ’ t yet matched with our reality is that are numbers are currently buoyed by the baby boomer generation. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. This time of possible instability will also be a at a time where our potential nation enemies in the East will be reaching their own zeniths of power.
>The same people will find themselves gradually less and less represented both politically and culturally, becoming essentially foreigners in their own lands.
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3f5049 No.13229333
It is not just a matter of our prosperity, but the very survival of our people. No, there isn ’ t a successful, influential grand movement established just yet, and no leading organizations, so there is no great structure created that could be brought to harm. Why focus on immigration and birth rates when climate change is such a huge issue? The movement may begin in Poland, Austria, France, Argentina, Australia, Canada or even Venezuela, but the movement will begin and when it does, be ready to throw your weight behind your people, with full force. Diversity by its very definition belies equality. Section I Addresses to various groups It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate. Broken families with soaring divorce rates, that ’ s if they even bother to get married at all.Suicide rates climbing year by year, not just for adults, by even teens and children as well and the only time people seem to even notice is when one of their own idols commits the act (singers, sports stars, actors). Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our enemies. RADICALIZATION IS THE RATIONAL RESPONSE TO DEGENERATION The failure of Assimilation Expecting immigrants to assimilate to a dying, decadent culture is laughable. If the media or state in your region attacks them, destroy the corporation and traitorous politicians responsible. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town.
We Could Be Hurt! ” for them the time will never come. In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. Were/are you a fascist?
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41e06b No.13229399
Force is the only path to power and the only path to true victory. No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. Something, this time, was different. No, I simply do not care all that much what gay people do.As long as they are loyal to their people and place their peoples well being first, then I have no issues. In this hell the individual is all and the race is worthless, something to rail against and use whenever possible, a power structure to climb, or topple. Yes, though not for an official policy made. As a policy maker and leader? Yes. This time can not be relied on for a beginning of the rebellion, only utilized as a final stage of energy and escalation to finalize our capture of power. An environmentally conscious and moral society will never be able to economically compete with a society based on ever increasing industrialization, urbanization, industrial output and population increase. Who do you follow?
Section I Addresses to various groups It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate. A finger on the hand of the body of Europe. Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town. Nothing else will do. CHEAP LABOUR AND ALL CONSUMING INDUSTRY ARE NOT IDEALS, BLOCK FOREIGN GOODS FROM WHITE MARKETS Break the back of cheap labour Make no mistake, the major impetus for the mass importation of non-Europeans into Europe is the call and want for cheap labour.
>Pedophile politicians, pedophile priests and pedophile pop stars, demonstrating to all the true depravity of our age.
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6d4755 No.13229418
Expect death, expect struggle, expect loss that you will never forget. Do you feel any remorse for the attack? Crush these traitor NGOs, kill their leadership, burn down their buildings, bomb their ships, tear down their posters and destroy their membership. This eradication of their people, their culture, their very soul. Invade the cities, take the cities, battle in the streets for the cities. Do not expect to survive, the only thing you should expect is a true war and to die the death of a true soldier. If the media or state in your region attacks them, destroy the corporation and traitorous politicians responsible. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? They will soon realize there are repercussions to being a race traitors. Does anyone even ask why? Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto.
Support them socially, back their policies, attack their detractors, voice upon support to the media and in daily conversations, make it understood on the internet that all Europeans nations support them. Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? After all I am a private and mostly introverted person. I was travelling as a tourist in Western Europe at the time, France, Spain Portugal and others.The first event that begun the change was the terror attack in Stockholm, on the 7 th of April 2017. Did they perceive us any differently after the attack than they did before? The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
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c78f84 No.13229504
You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! It will come in a great wave of popularity, in a great awakening of the European soul. ” -Sir Oswald Mosley Who is truly to blame? Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul. They are no innocents in an invasion, all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt. The Great Replacement Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The survival of our people, our culture and our lands isn ’ t enough. Create memes, post memes, and spread memes. Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall.
Was there a particular event or reason you decided to commit to a violent attack? These I hate. I am sure the journalists will love that. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. They are no innocents in an invasion, all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt. Better for you to face them now then your kin to face them in the future.
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45b244 No.13229605
To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force. Above all, just don ’ t be stale, placid and boring. Were/are you a christian? No, people will forget my motivations quickly and only remember the attack itself. I could no longer bring the sneer to my face, I could no longer turn my back on the violence. Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. Did you carry out the attack for fame? These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. No, but the next person to attack could be, so a healthy scepticism is a good thing. Mistakes will be made, losses will be had, some failures are certain and some endeavours will go bad. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our own enemies.
I am sure the journalists will love that. Luckily for us, the end results of this deracialized, irreligious and deculturized program show themselves. These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. BLITZ TO DOMINANT POSITIONS All true movements are populist movements While the movement itself, at least in the vanguard stage, does not need to have the support of the entire population, eventually we will need our people to join our new society, and voluntarily. This is WHITE GENOCIDE. It is understood by many that the only real reason that many statistics of our ethnic replacement haven ’ t yet matched with our reality is that are numbers are currently buoyed by the baby boomer generation.
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347c4a No.13229718
For every french man or woman there was double the number of invaders. Were/are you a “ homophobe ”? Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto. People from every walk of life, in every place of employment and field but disproportionately employed in military services and law enforcement. It should come as no shock that European men, in every nation, and on every continent are turning to radical notions and methods to combat the social and moral decay of their nations and the continued ethnic replacement of their people. You're fucking dead, kid. No, I only wish I could have killed more invaders, and more traitors as well. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. No. We Could Be Hurt! ” for them the time will never come. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van.
The issue is complicated, far more complicated and difficult to fix than the issue of Ethnic replacement. They decry weakness, mock fecklessness and worship strength, and in this worship of strength they radicalize and find the solution. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies _by_total_fertility_rate There is not a single Western country, not a single white nation, that reaches these levels. I would estimate the number of soldiers in European armed forces that also belong to nationalist groups to number in the hundreds of thousands, with just as many employed in law enforcement positions. When I know, I will tell you. Did/do you personally hate muslims?
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a91b10 No.13229737
People from every walk of life, in every place of employment and field but disproportionately employed in military services and law enforcement. History is the history of power. But when Europeans from all countries and continents move to back their brothers, they can not possibly attack any one group. If they are not of our people, but live in our lands, they must be removed. Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. Also, relying on this time period for our victory holds a second major disadvantage, that being vulnerability to foreign invasion, most likely from the east, specifically China; Turkey; India or some combination of the three. The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE NGOs are directly involved in the genocide of the European people Beholden to no one and hiding their true intent behold a faux-religious facade, these NGO groups ferry the invaders to European shores aboard their own vessels, directly shipping this vast army straight into European nations to plunder, rape and ethnically displace the native European people. The race of the elect suffers outrageous persecutions, and the impious race of the Saracens respects neither the virgins of the Lord nor the colleges of priests. Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth.
Were/are you “ right wing ”? The worth of your life is not measured by the length of your life, but your actions during it. The people speaking now, acting now, fighting now, are the vanguard of the vanguard of the force of the people. Do these groups hold power/who are the people in these groups? That isn ’ t a question. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash.
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551e61 No.13229839
But kill sixty unarmed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, and you will be considered a monster, dragged through the streets, ridiculed, attacked, your character assassinated in every way it can be and finally tried in court and imprisoned for the rest of your life. There is no one person equal to any other, not identical twins, not countrymen, not workers within a class group and certainly not those of differing races. They need not be born here, share our race, our language, our culture or our beliefs. But no one ever seems to give a reason why. Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are willing to WORK, let them in! This should give us an indication of what may be truly at the heart of the issue. South Africa with all its “ diversity ” is turning into a bloody backwater as its diversity increases, black on other black, black on white, white on black, black on Indian, doesn ’ t not matter, its ethnicity vs ethnicity. Not in Europe, not in the Americas, not in Australia or New Zealand. VENERATE THE ANCESTORS BUT WORK FOR THE CHILDREN A soldiers fight The ideal of a heroic war, without loss, without failure, without some great setback, is idealistic and downright impossible. Did you commit the attack to receive media coverage and to propagate your own writings/beliefs/ideals? Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.
Some are at different stages than others but all are feeling the pressure. Where they are removed to is not our concern, or responsibility. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. Why focus on immigration and birth rates when climate change is such a huge issue? The natural environment? Western Culture?
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4cc658 No.13229963
Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). The countrysides are already ours, as they have always been. But here ’ s the real kicker, the unarmed invader is far more dangerous to our people than the armed invader. We grow older, fewer, weaker and more fundamentally closer to true death the longer we allow our birthrates to remain so catastrophically low. All I know is the certainty of my will and the necessity of my cause. No. No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist. We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. What do you encourage us to do? As for how the public perceives us? Erdogan, the leader of one of the oldest enemies of our people, and the leader of the largest islamic group within Europe.
Was the attack “ racist ” in origin? Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. It was not suddenly bred, It will not swiftly abate, Through the chilled years ahead, When Time shall count from the date That the Saxon began to hate. Nor should you, why should you have peace when your other brothers in Europe face certain war? If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little ``clever'' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.
>New Zealand was not the original choice for attack, I only arrived to New Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon found out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere else in the West.
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1b667a No.13229977
The nation? The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. I had seen many pictures and heard many people discuss the cemeteries, but even knowing about these cemeteries in advance, I was still not prepared for the sight. We must ensure the existence of our people, and a future for white children. I was travelling as a tourist in Western Europe at the time, France, Spain Portugal and others.The first event that begun the change was the terror attack in Stockholm, on the 7 th of April 2017. Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. To ensure diverse peoples remain diverse, separate, unique, undiluted in unrestrained in cultural or ethnic expression and autonomy. This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us. Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most? If you become a social, political or ethnic minority it will always lead to your oppression. What makes you believe you can speak for a group?
ignore their demise? Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response. This should give us an indication of what may be truly at the heart of the issue. The truth that they are expected not to combat these myriad, unending and dedicated interlopers, but to embrace them, accept their own disenfranchisement, accept the loss of their fathers lands, their own impoverishment, their own REPLACEMENT. The United states is one of the most diverse nations on Earth, and they are about an inch away from tearing each other to pieces. I would estimate the number of soldiers in European armed forces that also belong to nationalist groups to number in the hundreds of thousands, with just as many employed in law enforcement positions.
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d6cc21 No.13229981
What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? The french people were often in a minority themselves, and the french that were in the streets were often alone, childless or of advanced age. Not Yet! If you are released we will find you and kill you, if you are in prison we will reach you there, if you try to hide these rapist scum we will kill you as well. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Think again, fucker. Meanwhile the 10000 ton boulder of demographic change rolls ever forward, gaining momentum and possibly destroying all in its path. New Zealand was not the original choice for attack, I only arrived to New Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon found out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere else in the West. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders. Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children? But it will take take some time, time we do not have due to the crisis of mass immigration.
Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. We do not have the luxury of time like the left had, we must be ready to act, and act soon. But kill sixty unarmed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, and you will be considered a monster, dragged through the streets, ridiculed, attacked, your character assassinated in every way it can be and finally tried in court and imprisoned for the rest of your life. No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty. Anyone can be a member of our nation, as long as they have the paperwork.
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009df7 No.13230000
Those who are not ethnically and culturally European. Can we look at the world in this century reproved by Heaven to witness the desolation of the Holy City and remain in peace while it is so oppressed? Just a ordinary White man,28 years old. I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. These NGO ’ s are the modern money changers inside the church, and must be driven out, by voice or by whip. It was another terror attack in the seemingly never ending attacks that had been occurring on a regular basis throughout my adult life. All in the hopes of a peaceful death? They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force. Nations across Asia, Europe and the Americas are facing this disaster together. Were/are you a supporter of Front National? If there is one thing I want you to remember from these writings, its that the birthrates must change.
Win first, write the story later. Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. Survival was a better alternative to death in order to further spread my ideals by media coverage and to deplete resources from the state by my own imprisonment. Their is no shared culture, ethnicity, language, values or beliefs. To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force.
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7bd9b1 No.13230058
No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. DO NOT FEAR CHANGE, WE ARE CHANGE Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs. After an election cycle or two with certain Democratic victory, those remaining, non democratic voting, non brainwashed whites will see the future clear before them, and with this knowledge realize the impossibility of a diplomatic or political victory. Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. But only one has the ability and only one has shown to be effective at doing so. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People ’ s Republic of China. No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. The Great Replacement Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Find where they are in your cities, plan your attack, destroy them.Protect your people and protect your children.Be the Antidote to their poison.
Why attack muslims if all high fertility immigrants are the issue? These events turned my thoughts from pursuing a democratic, political solution and finally caused the revelation of the truth, that a violent, revolutionary solution is the only possible solution to our current crisis. In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us. Violence is power and violence is the reality of history.Wake up. The idea that a Frenchmen need not speak the language, share the culture, believe in the same god or even more importantly be ethnically French is ludicrous in the extreme. When non-Europeans are considered Europe, than there is no Europe at all.
>Where your beliefs given to you by your family/friends/society etc?
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d702af No.13230103
The countrysides are already ours, as they have always been. Think again, fucker. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our own enemies. MOVE AS ONE, FULL SUPPORT FOR BROTHER NATIONS Accept Death, Embrace Infamy Death is certain, you may die in service to some grand crusade or pass away in a hospice, either way you will die. Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens. You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian owned once more. I am not a direct member of any organization or group, though I have donated to many nationalist groups and have interacted with many more. I came upon a cemetery, one of the many mass cemeteries created to bury the French and other European soldiers lost in the Wars that crippled Europe. To Christians “ The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations.
No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? That difference was Ebba Akerlund. Finding their people, finding their traditions, seeing through the lies of history, the brainwashing of the institutions and they angry, they are energized and yes, against their degenerate societies, they are radicalized. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it. Mass immigration will disenfranchise us, subvert our nations, destroy our communities, destroy our ethnic binds, destroy our cultures, destroy our peoples.
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c8e789 No.13230146
The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. They were not easily moved, They were icy – willing to wait Till every count should be proved, Ere the Saxon began to hate. It is a terrorist attack. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands. Islamic nations in particular have high birth rates, regardless of race or ethnicity, and in this there was an anti-islamic motivation to the attacks, as well as a want for revenge against islam for the 1300 years of war and devastation that it has brought upon the people of the West and other peoples of the world. The weaker we become the more immigrants will refuse to join us, refuse to partake in the cultural suicide that we extol. That is complicated. These leaders will be paragon examples of your people, virtuous, incorruptible, speaking truth to power and a truth that resonates with your very soul. In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. They are not so much born as made to be what is needed of them by the greater group thought occurring around them. To take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks throughout European lands.
The survival of our people, our culture and our lands isn ’ t enough. Stop waiting for someone else to show you the way forward, YOU are the way forward, waiting around for someone to start the fight is moronic, because it is YOU that is going to start the fight, If you are reading this, you are the new leaders that will push our people to victory, you are the soldiers that will fight for the future of your race. Expect death, expect struggle, expect loss that you will never forget. What does it seek to conserve? Do nothing, Win nothing, Achieve nothing. “ What more shall I say to you?
>Why them when I could do it myself?
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814a7d No.13230151
Did/do you have ties to any other partisans/freedom fighters/ethno soldiers? Nor should you, why should you have peace when your other brothers in Europe face certain war? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. Be creative, be expressive, be emotional and above all be passionate. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? But the unarmed invader, we have no real idea on how to deal with them, we are unable to attack them or fend them off in any meaningful way. Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less. Lobby those in power to show your support, protest outside embassies of those nations that do not support the nation, and if need be attack them. By living in New Zealand, weren ’ t you an immigrant yourself? In this hell the individual is all and the race is worthless, something to rail against and use whenever possible, a power structure to climb, or topple. Did you intend to survive the attack?
It is due to a lack of will. Live or die, know I did it all for you; my friends, my family, my people, my culture, my RACE. Diversity is not a strength. You will be infamous until victory is achieved. Once the corporate and state medias grip on the zeitgeist of modernity was finally broken by the internet, true freedom of thought and discussion flourished and the overton window was not just shifted, but shattered. The Truth that they are left, alone, an individual in a society worshiping the cult of the individual, to respond against an influx of outsiders from all corners of the world.
>Both illegal and legal drug dealers are our racial enemies, ruining the health, wealth, family structure, culture and future of our people.These peddlers of filth are active in every nation and behave without any thought of their impact on their societies.
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17c8b7 No.13230177
No one is inspired by Jeb Bush. Just a ordinary White man,28 years old. EUROPA RISES Why not me? Why did you carry out the attack? Long before low fertility levels ever could.Thus, before we deal with the fertility rates, we must deal with both the invaders within our lands and the invaders that seek to enter our lands. These events turned my thoughts from pursuing a democratic, political solution and finally caused the revelation of the truth, that a violent, revolutionary solution is the only possible solution to our current crisis. B. I can not guarantee it will be comfortable, I can not guarantee it will be easy and I can not guarantee that every act will be a success. Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. They were an obvious, visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people.
They don ’ t even BELIEVE in the race, they don ’ t even have the gall to say race exists. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. Don ’ t run from the fight, run towards the fight. From where great leaders arise The men and women needed by a society in crisis are created by a greater societal group thought, they arise from their environment, from their folk, seeming springing forth from the people as if they were waiting for the moment. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian owned once more. It ’ s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary.
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dd4731 No.13230196
There are cultural, ethnic and RACIAL differences that makes interchanging one ethnic group with another an impossibility. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. Do not pay to have your people destroyed, do not line the pockets of the traitors within our ranks, don ’ t lend support to a corrupt and broken state. Were/are you a supporter of Front National? These events turned my thoughts from pursuing a democratic, political solution and finally caused the revelation of the truth, that a violent, revolutionary solution is the only possible solution to our current crisis. When they ask why, you tell them why. Just do not allow your scepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves. If you believe we need to correct the white birth rates, why didn ’ t you start a family and do it yourself? All else is intolerable.
Victors write the history and the writers of history control the cultural climate of the present time. The result is obvious. Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming. Whether that is by encouraging and pushing increases to the minimum wage; furthering the unionization of workers; increasing the native birthrate and thereby reducing the need for the importation of labour; increasing the rights of workers; pushing for the increase in automation or advancement of industrial labour replacement or any other tactic that is available. The internet, of course. Your grand children?
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a902ac No.13230208
But here ’ s the real kicker, the unarmed invader is far more dangerous to our people than the armed invader. They built homes for their children to live in, they built communities for their people to thrive in, they built nations for their people to survive in. We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. The Christchurch and Linwood mosques had far more invaders, in a more prominent and optically foreign building, with less students, more adults and a prior history of extremism. Who decided to take a stand to ensure a future for my people. It was not preached to the crowd, It was not taught by the state. So no, I don ’ t believe so. Section I Addresses to various groups It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs. I am just a regular White man, from a regular family.
Resulting in a society with no core beliefs, no purpose and no vision for the future. They were an obvious, visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. If a an individual is in ownership or control of a corporation or business, and advocates or even accepts the mass importation of non-whites to replace the native European populations, then that traitor must be destroyed. But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. It may upset many, but the truth of the matter is these people are directly responsible for the current invasion and sacking of Europe and their treachery has damaged European prospects greatly.
>Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat.
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2e440b No.13230230
What matters is your actions during the brief time between birth and death. But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our enemies. Whilst we may use edgy humour and memes in the vanguard stage, and to attract a young audience, eventually we will need to show the reality of our thoughts and our more serious intents and wishes for the future. In time, the truth will be revealed. Do you consider yourself a leader? CHEAP LABOUR AND ALL CONSUMING INDUSTRY ARE NOT IDEALS, BLOCK FOREIGN GOODS FROM WHITE MARKETS Break the back of cheap labour Make no mistake, the major impetus for the mass importation of non-Europeans into Europe is the call and want for cheap labour. When they ask why, you tell them why. Were/are you a supporter of Brexit? In the event of an engagement I had the somewhat quixotic notion of shouting down responding state enforcers, intimidating them into dropping their weapons and if that failed, only targeting non-vital areas of their body such as the anterior of the thigh, shoulder or a side-on through shot of the calf, hamstring or gluteal muscles so as to cause the least amount of harm as possible and to allow for a quick recovery. No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.
I am not a direct member of any organization or group, though I have donated to many nationalist groups and have interacted with many more. The same people will find themselves gradually less and less represented both politically and culturally, becoming essentially foreigners in their own lands. To take revenge for Ebba Akerlund. The Truth that they are left, alone, an individual in a society worshiping the cult of the individual, to respond against an influx of outsiders from all corners of the world. The Great Replacement Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. “ We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities!
>Whilst we may use edgy humour and memes in the vanguard stage, and to attract a young audience, eventually we will need to show the reality of our thoughts and our more serious intents and wishes for the future.
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4d5b40 No.13230247
Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time. They must be removed. Anything else is a defeat. The global and corporate ran press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions committed by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. This is an attack on the very french people themselves and is a strategy designed to destroy national, cultural, linguistic and ethnic unity. Yes. Monotonous repetition of immigration facts and statistics will simply bore the masses, and drive the people away from the stale and uninspired speakers that propagate them. Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties! More recently I have been working part time as a kebab removalist. Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto. This open and often anonymous discussion allowed for information, outside of the states and the corporation control, to be accessed often for the first time.
I don ’ t, but I may have some. I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. It is a terrorist attack.
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f86ea8 No.13230378
It ’ s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary. To maintain a population the people must achieve a birthrate that reaches replacement fertility levels. The truth of the political situation in Europe was suddenly impossible to accept.My despair set in.My belief in a democratic solution vanished. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. Nor should you, why should you have peace when your other brothers in Europe face certain war? Were/are you a “ islamophobe ”? The final push was witnessing the state of French cities and towns. MOVE AS ONE, FULL SUPPORT FOR BROTHER NATIONS Accept Death, Embrace Infamy Death is certain, you may die in service to some grand crusade or pass away in a hospice, either way you will die. It is due to a lack of will. Drug use at all levels of society, in all age groups, any source of distraction or relief to escape a culture of nihilism. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist.
The global and corporate run press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. There is no pleasant meadow in which you can lay down your weary body, rest your head and wait for it all to blow over. For how long did you plan this attack? These are the things that speak to people, connect people, drive people. I am just a regular White man, from a regular family. The cheaper labour and ignorance of environmental health will always result in cheaper goods produced with less effort and inevitably result in control of the market.
>As for how the public perceives us?
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600ec5 No.13230584
We do not have the luxury of time like the left had, we must be ready to act, and act soon. There is no single place in the West that is even close to reaching replacement level birthrates, let alone birthrates that indicate a level of vitality and vigour. Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. The idea that all it takes for a Han chinese man to become German is to be born on German soil is as insane as a German born on Mars becoming a Martian. CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD. To take revenge for Ebba Akerlund. We must thrive, we must march ever forward to our place among the stars and we WILL reach the destiny our people deserve. They slaved for a better future for their people, and now other peoples shake their fists and point their fingers, reprimanding us for living better lives, wealthier lives in wealthier countries. Whether it takes ten years or a thousands years, whilst we are facing birth rates at sub-replacement levels, then our people are dying. What do you encourage us to do? The natural environment is industrialized, pulverized and commoditized.
Violence isn ’ t the answer, why are you using force? They removed the Europeans peoples autonomy and sovereignty for their own lust for power and wealth. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. His death will also drive a wedge between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands and the ethnic European people whilst simultaneously weakening Turkeys hold on the region, removing a prime enemy of Russia and destabilizing and fracturing NATO. Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs. You may fall.
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9d3e44 No.13230614
If they could die, so can you. No one person in particular, I support many groups but I am a member of none. With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture. No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. No, actual nazis do not exist.They haven ’ t been a political or social force anywhere in the world for more than 60 years. Everything else is just a catchphrase. On top of this is a two party political system, split by racial, social, cultural, linguistic and class divides. Why is it that what gives Western nations strength (diversity) is not what gives Eastern nations (China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) their strength? Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our own enemies.
Not in Europe, not in the Americas, not in Australia or New Zealand. Let our lives be stronger than death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people. ” ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO? There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate. Worker ownership of the means of production? Prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss, struggle, death. In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us.
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faed62 No.13230628
Not in Europe, not in the Americas, not in Australia or New Zealand. Just do not allow your scepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you. Some are at different stages than others but all are feeling the pressure. Canvas public areas in support of radical positions, even if they are not your own. Why them when I could do it myself? Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. Were/are you an anti-semite? https: //www.facebook.com/206778229358786/videos/451628238207116/ But after visiting the mosques in Christchurch and Linwood and seeing the desecration of the church that had been converted to a mosque in Ashburton, my plans changed. South Africa with all its “ diversity ” is turning into a bloody backwater as its diversity increases, black on other black, black on white, white on black, black on Indian, doesn ’ t not matter, its ethnicity vs ethnicity. Religion? WITHOUT CHILDREN, THERE IS NO FUTURE There is no democratic Solution Understand here and now, there is no democratic solution, any attempt to vote your way out of Ethnic replacement will be met with at first with derision, then contempt and finally by force.
Weak men have created this situation and strong men are needed to fix it. In the United States, perhaps more than anywhere else in the world, the cult of the individual has been practiced for the longest time and with the deepest devotion. For how long did you plan this attack? Why did you choose this time to attack? They grow up and take the potential homes of your own people for themselves, they occupy positions of power, remove wealth and destroy social trust. Goodbye, god bless you all and I will see you in Valhalla.
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b0a6cd No.13230630
A path focusing on nature and respect for the environment, traditions, families, workers rights and personal and racial responsibilities. To ensure diverse peoples remain diverse, separate, unique, undiluted in unrestrained in cultural or ethnic expression and autonomy. These I hate. All possibility of expression and belief was open to be taught, discussed and spoken. Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit. Destabilize, then take control. Sure. Sure. There is not a single place left where the tendrils of replacement migration have not touched. To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. Goodbye, god bless you all and I will see you in Valhalla.
We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. The varied cultures of the world greeted me with warmth and compassion, and I very much enjoyed nearly every moment I spent with them. KILL YOUR LOCAL ANTI-WHITE CEO Protect your people, remove the poison Poison sellers and toxin spreaders are free to proliferate their baneful products completely unchecked by law or society. Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response. I am a racist. Why should others fight for you if you are not willing to fight for yourself?
>These repercussions will hit them hard, fast and without mercy.
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fc0fef No.13230664
I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. Yes, though not for an official policy made. So yes. More often than not these NGOs hide their true intentions behind a facade of religiosity and only once you investigate into the leadership and governance of the NGO itself do you find the people running the show are in fact far from religious themselves and more often than not are actually atheistic cultural marxists using naive Christian Europeans to both labour and fund fund their own attempt at class and racial warfare. Drive through confessionals and no fault divorce? I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. Victors write the history and the writers of history control the cultural climate of the present time. Overcome us? A muslim man or woman living in their homelands? No. An act, which morals you doubt in the present, will be writ by your people in wonder and admiration in the books of history. I will be forgotten quickly.
Violence is power and violence is the reality of history.Wake up. Look to the heart of the conflict, march yourself there, press yourself into service. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town. You will risk, struggle, strive, drive, stumble, fall, crawl, charge and perspire, all in the name of victory. Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto. Art and beauty subverted beyond all recognition, bauhaus travesties replacing nouveau wonders, soulless metropolitan architecture of glass and steel reflecting no society, no culture, no people and therefore belonging everywhere, and no where.
>In the event of an engagement I had the somewhat quixotic notion of shouting down responding state enforcers, intimidating them into dropping their weapons and if that failed, only targeting non-vital areas of their body such as the anterior of the thigh, shoulder or a side-on through shot of the calf, hamstring or gluteal muscles so as to cause the least amount of harm as possible and to allow for a quick recovery.
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12a046 No.13230665
This is ethnic replacement. No, they ’ re a party of milquetoast civic nationalist boomers, completely incapable of creating real change and with no actual viable plan to save their nation. The spell broke, why don ’ t I do something? NGOs ARE TRAITOR ORGANIZATIONS If you lose history will write you as monsters, regardless of your tactics.Win first, write the narrative later. But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit. So these young men and women see this suicidal nihilism and isolate themselves from this mainstream, “ multicultural ”, egalitarian, individualistic insanity and look for allies anywhere they can find them, in the flesh or online. Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? You can ’ t. Paint, write, sing, dance, recite poetry. The wikipedia entry of these events follows: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015 % E2 % 80 % 9316_New_Year % 27s_Eve _sexual_assaults_in_Germany The true number of these events perpetrated across the Western world is unknown and certainly under reported, as both the state, the media and the judicial system work in unison to hide these atrocities, in the fear that knowledge of these events would enrage the native people of the West and damage the perception of our new “ Multicultural utopia ”. All possibility of expression and belief was open to be taught, discussed and spoken.
Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? Though I hold no great fear or distrust of other peoples. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. I was travelling as a tourist in Western Europe at the time, France, Spain Portugal and others.The first event that begun the change was the terror attack in Stockholm, on the 7 th of April 2017. Refuse. Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states?
>https: //www.facebook.com/206778229358786/videos/451628238207116/ But after visiting the mosques in Christchurch and Linwood and seeing the desecration of the church that had been converted to a mosque in Ashburton, my plans changed.
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4a3b94 No.13230670
Were/are you a conservative? The second event was the 2017 French General election. Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength. Depending on the definition. Please do not redistribute ” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt. Were/are you a nazi? What better sign of the white rebirth than the removal of this invader? I remember pulling into a shopping centre car park to buy groceries in some moderate sized town in Eastern France, of roughly 15-25 thousand people. You can not expect others do take the risks for you, nor should you wish for others to labour for you, if you are unwilling. Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). “ What more shall I say to you?
In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Worker ownership of the means of production? Few parents, regardless of circumstance, will willing risk the lives of their children, no matter the economic incentives. Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies. What does it seek to conserve? Just do not allow your scepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you.
>The race of the elect suffers outrageous persecutions, and the impious race of the Saracens respects neither the virgins of the Lord nor the colleges of priests.
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43d365 No.13230694
Broken families with soaring divorce rates, that ’ s if they even bother to get married at all.Suicide rates climbing year by year, not just for adults, by even teens and children as well and the only time people seem to even notice is when one of their own idols commits the act (singers, sports stars, actors). This is WHITE GENOCIDE. Were/are you a socialist? They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. All so that they could line their pockets without complaints or objections The nation? But they will not accept this death. What does it seek to conserve? The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed. VENERATE THE ANCESTORS BUT WORK FOR THE CHILDREN A soldiers fight The ideal of a heroic war, without loss, without failure, without some great setback, is idealistic and downright impossible. Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism.
The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. The nation? The Race? These I hate. Stop waiting for someone else to show you the way forward, YOU are the way forward, waiting around for someone to start the fight is moronic, because it is YOU that is going to start the fight, If you are reading this, you are the new leaders that will push our people to victory, you are the soldiers that will fight for the future of your race. The cities are the economic, judicial, political, ethnic and cultural battleground of our people and it is there we shall wage our war.
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a7fffe No.13230695
The internet, of course. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. Create memes, post memes, and spread memes. No, the attack was a end in itself, with all the necessary affect required. DO NOT FEAR CHANGE, WE ARE CHANGE Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs. Can we look at the world in this century reproved by Heaven to witness the desolation of the Holy City and remain in peace while it is so oppressed? An environmentally conscious and moral society will never be able to economically compete with a society based on ever increasing industrialization, urbanization, industrial output and population increase. A gradual change is never going to achieve victory. THE MYTH OF THE MELTING POT MUST END, AND WITH IT THE MYTH OF THE EGALITARIAN NATION No taxes to anti-white States Until our nations are run by men and women loyal to our cause taxation should be considered theft, and refusal to pay taxes a sign of racial loyalty. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result. Better for you to face them now then your kin to face them in the future.
The Great Replacement Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people. No, just a partisan. Kill the invaders, kill the overpopulation and by doing so save the environment. The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel, smog and wires but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows.
>Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible.
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1279d1 No.13230696
My parents are of Scottish, Irish and English stock. It ’ s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary. The idea that a Frenchmen need not speak the language, share the culture, believe in the same god or even more importantly be ethnically French is ludicrous in the extreme. Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states? No, the attack was a end in itself, with all the necessary affect required. I worked for a short time before making some money investing in Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik. Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. We must thrive, we must march ever forward to our place among the stars and we WILL reach the destiny our people deserve. The candidates were an obvious sign of our times: a globalist, capitalist, egalitarian, an ex-investment banker was no national beliefs other than the pursuit of profit versus a milquetoast, feckless, civic nationalist, an uncontroversial figure who ’ s most brave and inspired idea resolved to the possible deportation of illegal immigrants. YOU WILL BE REVERED, BUT ONLY IF YOU WIN.
So yes. The Race? We must thrive, we must march ever forward to our place among the stars and we WILL reach the destiny our people deserve. All through immigration. To take the fight to the invaders myself. We do not have the luxury of time like the left had, we must be ready to act, and act soon.
>The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life.
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5cf6dd No.13230705
On top of this is a two party political system, split by racial, social, cultural, linguistic and class divides. Are you a Fed/shill/mossad agent/false flag/patsy/infiltrator/antifa/glow in the dark etc? Live or die, know I did it all for you; my friends, my family, my people, my culture, my RACE. This solution of a Democratic salvation is nothing but a pipe dream, and as our enemies increase within our lands, driven by mass immigration and the invaders own higher birth rate it will be pushed further and further into the realms of impossibility. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). Thank god. This eradication of their people, their culture, their very soul. In this tempest of conflict is where will be strike, a strong, unified, ethnically and culturally focused pro-white, pro-european group will be everything the average white family need and long for. I can not guarantee it will be comfortable, I can not guarantee it will be easy and I can not guarantee that every act will be a success. Nothing is conserved. How they are removed is irrelevant, peacefully, forcefully, happily, violently or diplomatically.
You may stumble. Just a ordinary White man,28 years old. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. The truth is that eventually people must face the fact that it wasn ’ t a damn thing to do with the economy.That it was the British people firing back at mass immigration, cultural displacement and globalism, and that ’ s a great and wonderful thing. Violence is power and violence is the reality of history.Wake up. What gives a nation strength?
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16214c No.13230706
If the media or state in your region attacks them, destroy the corporation and traitorous politicians responsible. This eradication of their people, their culture, their very soul. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our enemies. To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people. Weak men have created this situation and strong men are needed to fix it. I am a racist. Do not expect to survive, the only thing you should expect is a true war and to die the death of a true soldier. Overcome us? No. BLITZ TO DOMINANT POSITIONS All true movements are populist movements While the movement itself, at least in the vanguard stage, does not need to have the support of the entire population, eventually we will need our people to join our new society, and voluntarily. By the definition, then yes.
I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. Who do you consider non-white? To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. In this hell the individual is all and the race is worthless, something to rail against and use whenever possible, a power structure to climb, or topple. VENERATE THE ANCESTORS BUT WORK FOR THE CHILDREN A soldiers fight The ideal of a heroic war, without loss, without failure, without some great setback, is idealistic and downright impossible. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley ’ s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature.
>Historical, societal and statistical reasons.
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8969b2 No.13230721
A nation that venerates its ancestors, but lives for its offspring. No matter where I travelled, no matter how small or rural the community I visited, the invaders were there. Whilst the immigrants were young, energized and with large families and many children. To maintain a population the people must achieve a birthrate that reaches replacement fertility levels. DO NOT FEAR CHANGE, WE ARE CHANGE Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs. Stability and comfort are the enemies of revolutionary change. Do not suffer under the delusion of a Democratic victory, prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss and struggle, as it is the only path to Victory. A muslim man or woman choosing to invade our lands live on our soil and replace our people? Brought forth two competing ideologies (communism and fascism) to replace this loss of god, then proceeded to allow both sides to slaughter each other to a standstill and then let corporate backed capitalists tear the survivor to pieces. 3.Answers to detractors and to those that oppose my beliefs/methods Won ’ t your attack do more harm than good? Dear god no.
The race? The internet, of course. Were/are you an anti-semite? The truth that the West killed the notion of god, and proceeded to replace it with nothing. Perhaps you could tap out, lay down, lick the boots of your occupiers and pray they will let you be comfortable, if only for a little while. To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases.
>There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people.
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8d4387 No.13230763
You will hang. After an election cycle or two with certain Democratic victory, those remaining, non democratic voting, non brainwashed whites will see the future clear before them, and with this knowledge realize the impossibility of a diplomatic or political victory. Millions of European and other ethno-nationalist peoples that wish to live in peace amongst their own people, living in their own lands, practicing their own traditions and deciding the future of their own kind. For example, actions such as voting for political candidates that radically change or challenge entrenched systems, radicalizing public discourse by both supporting, attacking, vilifying, radicalizing and exaggerating all societal conflicts and attacking or even assassinating weak or less radical leaders/influencers on either side of social conflicts. What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism? When anyone can be a German, a Brit, a Frenchmen, then being European has truly lost all meaning Make no mistake, the erosion of local and national identity has no come about by accident, it is a concerted and targeted effort against the European people. I remember pulling into a shopping centre car park to buy groceries in some moderate sized town in Eastern France, of roughly 15-25 thousand people. There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people. Do these groups hold power/who are the people in these groups? I had seen many pictures and heard many people discuss the cemeteries, but even knowing about these cemeteries in advance, I was still not prepared for the sight. Diversity is anathema to equality.
You are the voice, you are the klaxon call, you hold the first spear to be thrust at the invaders. Lead and your people will follow. But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order. We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city.
>All else is dishonorable.
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ffd8d1 No.13230778
Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power. To continue on without our culture, but still own our lands, is a defeat. Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. It is far better to encourage radical, violent change regardless of its origins. Do not pay to have your people destroyed, do not line the pockets of the traitors within our ranks, don ’ t lend support to a corrupt and broken state. There are cultural, ethnic and RACIAL differences that makes interchanging one ethnic group with another an impossibility. You are the voice, you are the klaxon call, you hold the first spear to be thrust at the invaders. Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. I want you in my sights.
It is far better to encourage radical, violent change regardless of its origins. Though I did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack, which was given. WITH RISK COMES POSSIBILITIES, WITH POSSIBILITES COMES CHANCE FOR VICTORY Destabilization and Accelerationism: tactics for victory True change and the change we need to enact only arises in the great crucible of crisis. Our lands are not their home, they can return to their own lands or found their homelands elsewhere. The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field on the same day? Look to the heart of the conflict, march yourself there, press yourself into service.
>So yes.
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650e38 No.13230789
To avenge those European men and women lost in the constant and never ending wars of European history who died for their lands, died for their people only to have their lands given away to any foreign scum that bother to show up. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders. They must be removed. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement. Barring the importation of all goods produced outside the New European zone (the new Western world) is an essential pillar of the future Western economy. Once the corporate and state medias grip on the zeitgeist of modernity was finally broken by the internet, true freedom of thought and discussion flourished and the overton window was not just shifted, but shattered. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. What do you encourage us to do? Depending on the definition, sure. Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force?
A society of rampant nihilism, consumerism and individualism, where every individual is a competitor and the rights of the individual override all notions of responsibility. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement. But the aftershock from my actions will ripple for years to come, driving political and social discourse, creating the atmosphere or fear and change that is required. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. I will be forgotten quickly. I am a racist.
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25afe6 No.13230798
States hate other states, the electoral college is under attack at every turn and the races are at each others throats. Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming. That isn ’ t a question. When non-Europeans are considered Europe, than there is no Europe at all. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it. Didn ’ t your attack just result in the vilification of ethno-nationalists/racial autonomists? But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it. Despite how many of you may feel living amongst the pollution, amongst the cultural filth, crammed into tiny apartments in the city sprawls, far flung from mans natural environment. Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less. Nah, not really.An Australian living in New Zealand is much the same as an Austrian living in Bavaria.
But if you attempt to live in European lands, anywhere west of the Bosphorus.We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands. How this worked in reality, well…only you know. The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. In time, the truth will be revealed. Not a place where english is the defacto language but a place where every European language, belief and tradition is valued. The war will not be easy, the death toll will assuredly be high.
>Empty churches and full shopping centers?
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0a3f63 No.13230806
The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. More often than not these NGOs hide their true intentions behind a facade of religiosity and only once you investigate into the leadership and governance of the NGO itself do you find the people running the show are in fact far from religious themselves and more often than not are actually atheistic cultural marxists using naive Christian Europeans to both labour and fund fund their own attempt at class and racial warfare. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power. Were there other targets planned in your attack? Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength. How did you develop/research/receive your views and beliefs? The internet, of course. Inaction will lead to sure defeat. Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders.
If you believe we need to correct the white birth rates, why didn ’ t you start a family and do it yourself? The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European. Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities. Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response. Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? The media will paint you as villains, the state will name you as traitors, the globalist forces will name you as criminals and the traitors amongst your people will name you as enemies.
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35ea19 No.13230822
What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? Above all, just don ’ t be stale, placid and boring. It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. No. Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less. Because they are the same issue, the environment is being destroyed by over population, we Europeans are one of the groups that are not over populating the world. You can ’ t. In the United States, perhaps more than anywhere else in the world, the cult of the individual has been practiced for the longest time and with the deepest devotion. Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration. CHEAP LABOUR IS SLAVE LABOUR, REFUSE TO IMPORT MODERN SLAVES A boil over in the melting pot Civil war in the so called “ Melting pot ” that is the United States should be a major aim in overthrowing the global power structure and the Wests ’ egalitarian, individualist, globalist dominant culture.
To take the fight to the invaders myself. The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European. Refuse. But no one ever seems to give a reason why. It is far better to encourage radical, violent change regardless of its origins. Did/do you have ties to any other partisans/freedom fighters/ethno soldiers?
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fb87b9 No.13230827
Likely a new society will need to be created with a much greater focus on family values, gender and social norms and the value and importance of nature, culture and race. Sadiq Khan, The current mayor of London at the time of writing, an open sign of the disenfranchisement and ethnic replacement of the british people in the british isles. The idea that all it takes for a Han chinese man to become German is to be born on German soil is as insane as a German born on Mars becoming a Martian. What better sign of the white rebirth than the removal of this invader? No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate. THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time. Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties! Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? In the event of an engagement I had the somewhat quixotic notion of shouting down responding state enforcers, intimidating them into dropping their weapons and if that failed, only targeting non-vital areas of their body such as the anterior of the thigh, shoulder or a side-on through shot of the calf, hamstring or gluteal muscles so as to cause the least amount of harm as possible and to allow for a quick recovery. Do not fret on the manner of how victory is achieved, all methods are possible, in the face of ethnic genocide, all morality is ambiguous. All in the hopes of a peaceful death?
Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength. Win first, write the story later. That is complicated. This crisis of mass immigration and sub-replacement fertility is an assault on the European people that, if not combated, will ultimately result in the complete racial and cultural replacement of the European people. The people who are to blame most are ourselves, european men. Where there is a will, there is a way.
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14b403 No.13230828
But for some reason this was different. Why not me? No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. This is racial replacement. The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities. Incite conflict.Place posters near public parks calling for sharia law, then in the next week place posters over such posters calling for the expulsion of all immigrants, repeat in every area of public life until the crisis arises. No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist. Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities. It should come as no shock that European men, in every nation, and on every continent are turning to radical notions and methods to combat the social and moral decay of their nations and the continued ethnic replacement of their people. Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies. History is the history of power.
And what can we do to stop it? Let our lives be stronger than death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people. ” ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO? Art and beauty subverted beyond all recognition, bauhaus travesties replacing nouveau wonders, soulless metropolitan architecture of glass and steel reflecting no society, no culture, no people and therefore belonging everywhere, and no where. Because if we do not destroy the invaders first, our own birthrates will mean nothing. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian owned once more. For many years I had been hearing and reading of the invasion of France by non-whites, many of these rumours and stories I believed to be exaggerations, created to push a political narrative.
>Focusing on increasing the population of whites, or trying to gain economic wealth or military might, whilst already having met the requirement of numbers, wealth and military force needed is simply a stalling tactic, spoken and put forth by men too cowardly to do what is required.
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db41e7 No.13230836
What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism? But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit. KILL ANGELA MERKEL, KILL ERDOGAN, KILL SADIQ KHAN The Paradox of the diverse equality The greatest joke of all is the quixotic foolishness of the diverse but equal society. White people are failing to reproduce, failing to create families, failing to have children. To show the effect of direct action, lighting a path forward for those that wish to follow.A path for those that wish to free their ancestors lands from the invaders grasp and to be a beacon for those that wish to create a lasting culture, to tell them they are not alone. These same children will one day become teens, then adults, voting against the wishes of our people, practicing the cultural and religious practices of the invaders, taking our peoples lands, work, houses and even attacking and killing our children. All in the hopes of a peaceful death? New Zealand was not the original choice for attack, I only arrived to New Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon found out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere else in the West. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement. The true question is, how did this happen? Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties!
Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are willing to WORK, let them in! Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? You're fucking dead, kid. These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. KILL ANGELA MERKEL, KILL ERDOGAN, KILL SADIQ KHAN The Paradox of the diverse equality The greatest joke of all is the quixotic foolishness of the diverse but equal society. There is no one person equal to any other, not identical twins, not countrymen, not workers within a class group and certainly not those of differing races.
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618d28 No.13230845
Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. Were/are you a supporter of Brexit? Depending on the definition. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. Both illegal and legal drug dealers are our racial enemies, ruining the health, wealth, family structure, culture and future of our people.These peddlers of filth are active in every nation and behave without any thought of their impact on their societies. In the Western world this is roughly 2.06 births per woman. The varied cultures of the world greeted me with warmth and compassion, and I very much enjoyed nearly every moment I spent with them. Were/are you an anti-semite? A muslim man or woman living in their homelands? No. TATP packages strapped to drones, an EFP in a motorcycle saddle bags, convoy ambush rammings with cement trucks. I can not guarantee it will be comfortable, I can not guarantee it will be easy and I can not guarantee that every act will be a success.
It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. But what few know is that Rotherham is just one of an ongoing trend of rape and molestation perpetrated by these non-white scum. WHY DON ’ T I DO SOMETHING? No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it. When non-Europeans are considered Europe, than there is no Europe at all. You may fall.
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bf0580 No.13230846
The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed. It was not preached to the crowd, It was not taught by the state. The people of the countrysides are already traditional, already close to nature, already supportive of their people. Simple, white, wooden crosses stretching from the fields beside the roadway, seemingly without end, into the horizon. You may fall. DIVERSITY IS UNEQUAL, HIERARCHIES ARE CERTAIN The present is a gift from those in our past Your ancestors did not sweat, bleed and die in the name of a multicultural, egalitarian nation. We must inevitably correct the disaster of hedonistic, nihilistic individualism. These are the things that speak to people, connect people, drive people. Finding their people, finding their traditions, seeing through the lies of history, the brainwashing of the institutions and they angry, they are energized and yes, against their degenerate societies, they are radicalized. In every french city, in every french town the invaders were there. Refuse to pay taxes.
Diversity is anathema to equality. Traitors deserve a traitors death. With these boosted numbers, and with our unified forces, complete control of the United states will be possible. There is no pleasant meadow in which you can lay down your weary body, rest your head and wait for it all to blow over. I am a racist. They will soon find out how wrong they truly are.
>EUROPA RISES
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d12d01 No.13230850
Do you consider yourself a leader? Did/do you personally hate foreigners/other cultures? Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit. No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate. Where your beliefs given to you by your family/friends/society etc? What makes you believe you can speak for a group? In the end human greed and the need for increasing profit margins of capital owners needs to be fought against and broken. Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? They must be willing and wishing to be a part of this new future we envision.We can not, and should not, rely on oppression to encourage the population to fit this new paradigm. You are not. Their number uncountable, the representation of their loss unfathomable.
https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies _by_total_fertility_rate There is not a single Western country, not a single white nation, that reaches these levels. We must inevitably correct the disaster of hedonistic, nihilistic individualism. There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate. The nation? Expect death, expect struggle, expect loss that you will never forget. I begun planning an attack roughly two years in advance and an attack at the location in Christchurch three months in advance.
>To avenge those European men and women lost in the constant and never ending wars of European history who died for their lands, died for their people only to have their lands given away to any foreign scum that bother to show up.
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cf48f1 No.13230868
I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations. Once the corporate and state medias grip on the zeitgeist of modernity was finally broken by the internet, true freedom of thought and discussion flourished and the overton window was not just shifted, but shattered. They removed the Europeans peoples autonomy and sovereignty for their own lust for power and wealth. The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field on the same day? The war will not be easy, the death toll will assuredly be high. Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order. Incite conflict.Place posters near public parks calling for sharia law, then in the next week place posters over such posters calling for the expulsion of all immigrants, repeat in every area of public life until the crisis arises. 2.Answers to my people/supporters questions What are your views? Were there other targets planned in your attack? Yes, but death was a definite possibility. Please do not redistribute ” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt.
Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Did you intend to kill police officers or other enforcers of the state? I came upon a cemetery, one of the many mass cemeteries created to bury the French and other European soldiers lost in the Wars that crippled Europe. This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the “ melting pot ” pipe dream. Thank god. EXPECT A SOLDIERS FIGHT AND A SOLDIERS DEATH The Danger of the Invader If you were to kill sixty armed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, you would be hailed a hero, given your nations highest civilian honours, paraded before the media and the adoring public.
>Western culture is trivialized, pulped and blended into a smear of meaningless nothing, with the only tenets and beliefs seemingly held to are the myth of the individual, the value of work (productivity for the benefit of your capitalist owners) and the sovereignty of private property (to ensure none of us get grand ideas of taking the unearned wealth of our owners).
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a75f35 No.13230870
In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism? But if you attempt to live in European lands, anywhere west of the Bosphorus.We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands. Because the “ x ” groups can be dealt with in time, but the high fertility immigrants will destroy us now, soon it is a matter of survival we destroy them first. They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. KILL YOUR LOCAL ANTI-WHITE CEO Protect your people, remove the poison Poison sellers and toxin spreaders are free to proliferate their baneful products completely unchecked by law or society. Were/are you are “ racist ”? Was the attack “ xenophobic ” in orgin? Live or die, know I did it all for you; my friends, my family, my people, my culture, my RACE. They congregate, discuss, despair, strategize, debate and plan. Did they perceive us any differently after the attack than they did before?
Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your attack? There is no nation in the world that wasn ’ t founded by, or maintained by, the use of force. Were/are you are “ racist ”? What can we do to fix it? Incite conflict.Place posters near public parks calling for sharia law, then in the next week place posters over such posters calling for the expulsion of all immigrants, repeat in every area of public life until the crisis arises. Because you can not accept anything less.
>The truth is that eventually people must face the fact that it wasn ’ t a damn thing to do with the economy.That it was the British people firing back at mass immigration, cultural displacement and globalism, and that ’ s a great and wonderful thing.
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8262c1 No.13230908
Why make your children fight, when you could fight in their stead? The risk is too great. The attack was to ensure a preservation of beauty, art and tradition. It ’ s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary. Therefore, once we show them the risk of bringing their offspring to our soil, they will avoid our lands. Prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss, struggle, death. You are nothing to me but just another target. YOU WAIT FOR A SIGNAL, WHILE YOUR PEOPLE WAIT FOR YOU It is never wise to become a minority group. Our lands are not their home, they can return to their own lands or found their homelands elsewhere. Better for you to face them now then your kin to face them in the future. This is ethnic replacement.
Do not suffer under the delusion of a Democratic victory, prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss and struggle, as it is the only path to Victory. Your grand children? Only when you embrace death and the only thing you will have left to fear is inaction. I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. Giving your own earned wealth, which you received through your own labour, to a person or group that despises you, places laws into effect that disenfranchises your people and seeks to ethnically replace you is utterly foolish. This Pakistani muslim invader now sits as representative for the people of London.
>Our lands are not their home, they can return to their own lands or found their homelands elsewhere.
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0e7cbc No.13230933
When the time comes you must be ready to act. They must be removed. Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? Men of the West must be men once more. Yes, I dislike them. I will let my actions speak for themselves. Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties! NGOs ARE TRAITOR ORGANIZATIONS If you lose history will write you as monsters, regardless of your tactics.Win first, write the narrative later. Did you commit the attack to receive media coverage and to propagate your own writings/beliefs/ideals? Force is the only path to power and the only path to true victory. No two different things can ever truly be equal, especially humans.
We were born from our lands and our own culture was molded by these same lands.The protection and preservation of these lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our own ideals and beliefs. Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers? Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older, we grow weaker. Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response.
>Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights?
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a96142 No.13230947
This open and often anonymous discussion allowed for information, outside of the states and the corporation control, to be accessed often for the first time. Anything else is a defeat. What makes you think that you have all the answers? All else is intolerable. These leaders will be paragon examples of your people, virtuous, incorruptible, speaking truth to power and a truth that resonates with your very soul. Lead and your people will follow. Sitting at home comfortable, relaxed, posting on the internet, watching football and waiting for victory to arrive at your feet, will win you nothing. https: //www.facebook.com/206778229358786/videos/451628238207116/ But after visiting the mosques in Christchurch and Linwood and seeing the desecration of the church that had been converted to a mosque in Ashburton, my plans changed. It wasn ’ t even close. But despite this sub-replacement fertility rate, the population in the West is increasing, and rapidly. Where there is a will, there is a way.
As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. Art and beauty subverted beyond all recognition, bauhaus travesties replacing nouveau wonders, soulless metropolitan architecture of glass and steel reflecting no society, no culture, no people and therefore belonging everywhere, and no where. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall. Depending on the definition, sure. I came upon a cemetery, one of the many mass cemeteries created to bury the French and other European soldiers lost in the Wars that crippled Europe. Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective.
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9c5783 No.13230955
Who do you consider non-white? Just as their own courage will never flower forth. Just Wait! They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force. The Race? It should come as no shock that European men, in every nation, and on every continent are turning to radical notions and methods to combat the social and moral decay of their nations and the continued ethnic replacement of their people. The survival of our people, our culture and our lands isn ’ t enough. Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit. No matter where I travelled, no matter how small or rural the community I visited, the invaders were there. We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik.
No, but the next person to attack could be, so a healthy scepticism is a good thing. How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties! They decry weakness, mock fecklessness and worship strength, and in this worship of strength they radicalize and find the solution. The nation? What makes you believe there are racial differences and that those differences matter?
>On the east side of the Bosphorus.
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b70918 No.13230960
Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. Violence is power and violence is the reality of history.Wake up. Who do you follow? Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the 2 nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. No, I simply do not care all that much what gay people do.As long as they are loyal to their people and place their peoples well being first, then I have no issues. DO NOT FEAR CHANGE, WE ARE CHANGE Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs. No, but the next person to attack could be, so a healthy scepticism is a good thing. Monotonous repetition of immigration facts and statistics will simply bore the masses, and drive the people away from the stale and uninspired speakers that propagate them. Is this your complete writings and views? Both would seek to destroy our nation, both would seek to displace and replace our people, both would seek to destroy our culture and nationhood. On top of this is a two party political system, split by racial, social, cultural, linguistic and class divides.
Millions of European and other ethno-nationalist peoples that wish to live in peace amongst their own people, living in their own lands, practicing their own traditions and deciding the future of their own kind. Refuse to pay taxes. But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. Young, innocent and dead Ebba. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our own enemies. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive.
>You're fucking dead, kiddo.
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49e4d7 No.13230994
Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? I remember pulling into a shopping centre car park to buy groceries in some moderate sized town in Eastern France, of roughly 15-25 thousand people. Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. They grow up and take the potential homes of your own people for themselves, they occupy positions of power, remove wealth and destroy social trust. These leaders will be paragon examples of your people, virtuous, incorruptible, speaking truth to power and a truth that resonates with your very soul. It is a terrorist attack. We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty. Kidding, but Australian is a European colony, particularly of British stock and thereby an extension of Europe. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid.
How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? A. Compliments will get you no where. Once the corporate and state medias grip on the zeitgeist of modernity was finally broken by the internet, true freedom of thought and discussion flourished and the overton window was not just shifted, but shattered. I speak for my views and my ideals, and those that support me.Some may agree with them, others won ’ t. Didn ’ t your attack just result in the vilification of ethno-nationalists/racial autonomists? Anything else is a defeat.
>If they flee we will follow them, if they hide we will find them, if they try to shield themselves behind the state we will break through and reach them.
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53c41a No.13231030
Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time. It may upset many, but the truth of the matter is these people are directly responsible for the current invasion and sacking of Europe and their treachery has damaged European prospects greatly. The spell broke, why don ’ t I do something? Because if we do not destroy the invaders first, our own birthrates will mean nothing. People are finding their way home. The idea that a Frenchmen need not speak the language, share the culture, believe in the same god or even more importantly be ethnically French is ludicrous in the extreme. I am just a regular White man, from a regular family. These tumultuous times can be brought about through action. I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela, for the same crime. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? The idea that all it takes for a Han chinese man to become German is to be born on German soil is as insane as a German born on Mars becoming a Martian.
That is a very broad category of people, and the definition is fuzzy at best. RETAKE THE CITIES, RETAKE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT Support Your Brother Nations When one country moves, you move with them, support them financially, politically, socially and physically. We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history. Sitting at home comfortable, relaxed, posting on the internet, watching football and waiting for victory to arrive at your feet, will win you nothing. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age.
>They built homes for their children to live in, they built communities for their people to thrive in, they built nations for their people to survive in.
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25c967 No.13231048
By the definition, then yes. As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Do you consider it a terrorist attack? It should come as no shock that European men, in every nation, and on every continent are turning to radical notions and methods to combat the social and moral decay of their nations and the continued ethnic replacement of their people. turn your back to your people? The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian owned once more. In my mind a rainbow is only beautiful to due its variety of colours, mix the colours together and you destroy them all and they are gone forever and the end result is far from anything beautiful. Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? Why do you blame immigrants and not the capitalists? But the aftershock from my actions will ripple for years to come, driving political and social discourse, creating the atmosphere or fear and change that is required.
It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought. Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power. To take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks throughout European lands. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. So take the prison time, take the beating or even fight back.
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4a3962 No.13231053
B. Destabilize, then take control. Why did you choose New Zealand as a place to attack? No, people will forget my motivations quickly and only remember the attack itself. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Did you always hold these views? I will be forgotten quickly. The United states is one of the most diverse nations on Earth, and they are about an inch away from tearing each other to pieces. Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. Support them physically, be ready to put boots on the ground, send them weapons and munitions, attack their enemies. It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum “ diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength… ”.
All else is dishonorable. We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. Did/do you personally hate foreigners/other cultures? Whether it takes ten years or a thousands years, whilst we are facing birth rates at sub-replacement levels, then our people are dying. Who do you support? Meanwhile the “ diverse ” nations across the world are scenes of endless social, political, religious and ethnic conflict.
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74c1da No.13231091
For many years I had been hearing and reading of the invasion of France by non-whites, many of these rumours and stories I believed to be exaggerations, created to push a political narrative. That was during a triumphant VICTORY. But, if those same people seek to come to my peoples lands, replace my people, subjugate my people, make war upon on my people,, hen I shall be forced to fight them, and hold nothing in reserve. VENERATE THE ANCESTORS BUT WORK FOR THE CHILDREN A soldiers fight The ideal of a heroic war, without loss, without failure, without some great setback, is idealistic and downright impossible. ignore their demise? But eventually, when enough people fight back and refuse to pay taxes, refuse to fund the traitors in power, the state itself will wilt, then collapse. Do not suffer under the delusion of a Democratic victory, prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss and struggle, as it is the only path to Victory. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. To return to replacement fertility levels is priority number one. Did/do you personally hate muslims? Nothing else will do.
These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel, smog and wires but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows. The true question is, how did this happen? No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. They were an obvious, visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. Continued immigration into Europe is environmental warfare and ultimately destructive to nature itself.
>But what few know is that Rotherham is just one of an ongoing trend of rape and molestation perpetrated by these non-white scum.
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e4ddb2 No.13231092
Continued immigration into Europe is environmental warfare and ultimately destructive to nature itself. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time. What makes you think that you have all the answers? I am not a direct member of any organization or group, though I have donated to many nationalist groups and have interacted with many more. That difference was Ebba Akerlund. The risk is too great. What our own nations now based on? Do these groups hold power/who are the people in these groups? Though I hold no great fear or distrust of other peoples. Why should others fight for you if you are not willing to fight for yourself?
What better sign of the white rebirth than the removal of this invader? We do not have the luxury of time like the left had, we must be ready to act, and act soon. Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers? The global and corporate run press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism? Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older, we grow weaker.
>Make your plans, get training, form alliances, get equipped and then act.
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da7eae No.13231111
There are cultural, ethnic and RACIAL differences that makes interchanging one ethnic group with another an impossibility. It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. The idea that a Frenchmen need not speak the language, share the culture, believe in the same god or even more importantly be ethnically French is ludicrous in the extreme. Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. EUROPA RISES They will soon realize there are repercussions to being a race traitors. Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. In the event of an engagement I had the somewhat quixotic notion of shouting down responding state enforcers, intimidating them into dropping their weapons and if that failed, only targeting non-vital areas of their body such as the anterior of the thigh, shoulder or a side-on through shot of the calf, hamstring or gluteal muscles so as to cause the least amount of harm as possible and to allow for a quick recovery. Stability and comfort are the enemies of revolutionary change. Refuse to pay taxes.
Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. What makes you believe you can speak for a group? No, I am not afraid of islam, only that, due to its high fertility rates, it will grow to replace other peoples and faiths. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. What gives a nation strength? NGOs ARE TRAITOR ORGANIZATIONS If you lose history will write you as monsters, regardless of your tactics.Win first, write the narrative later.
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d16618 No.13231120
To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force. Nah, not really.An Australian living in New Zealand is much the same as an Austrian living in Bavaria. But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. But the unarmed invader, we have no real idea on how to deal with them, we are unable to attack them or fend them off in any meaningful way. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force. When they demand you pay, refuse. But, if those same people seek to come to my peoples lands, replace my people, subjugate my people, make war upon on my people,, hen I shall be forced to fight them, and hold nothing in reserve. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. The United States is in turmoil, more so that at any other time in history. What matters is your actions during the brief time between birth and death.
Anything else is a defeat. When they ask why, you tell them why. Nothing is conserved. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? Yes. Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this.
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0592ce No.13231163
No, carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable.After all who can remember the name of the attackers in the September 11 attack in New York? How about the attack on the pentagon? Overcome us? I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents. Anyone can be a member of our nation, as long as they have the paperwork. Do not suffer under the delusion of an effortless, riskless democratic victory. Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are willing to WORK, let them in! Why should others fight for you if you are not willing to fight for yourself? Despite this ridiculous match up, the possibility of a victory by the quasi-nationalist was at least, to myself, a sign that maybe a political solution was still possible.The internationalist, globalist, anti-white, ex-banker won. There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal green world can not exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10 billion people. The final push was witnessing the state of French cities and towns.
Traitors deserve a traitors death. So these young men and women see this suicidal nihilism and isolate themselves from this mainstream, “ multicultural ”, egalitarian, individualistic insanity and look for allies anywhere they can find them, in the flesh or online. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley ’ s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. Ethnic autonomy? Those who are not ethnically and culturally European.
>A finger on the hand of the body of Europe.
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17da7b No.13231189
History is the history of power. To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people. Giving your own earned wealth, which you received through your own labour, to a person or group that despises you, places laws into effect that disenfranchises your people and seeks to ethnically replace you is utterly foolish. Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. The nation? Drive them from your lands and give the traitors what traitors deserve: a traitors death. Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. That is complicated. If you survived, did you intend to go to trial? We must not be in a chaotic, life or death civil war at a time when our rival nations are at their peak of dominance. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist.
Religion? Crush these traitor NGOs, kill their leadership, burn down their buildings, bomb their ships, tear down their posters and destroy their membership. Despite how many of you may feel living amongst the pollution, amongst the cultural filth, crammed into tiny apartments in the city sprawls, far flung from mans natural environment. No one person in particular, I support many groups but I am a member of none. EUROPA RISES Diversity by its very definition belies equality.
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d92a50 No.13231201
Were/are you a supporter of Front National? Were/are you a supporter of Brexit? Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties! The movement may begin in Poland, Austria, France, Argentina, Australia, Canada or even Venezuela, but the movement will begin and when it does, be ready to throw your weight behind your people, with full force. Why them when I could do it myself? Children are always innocent, do you not think you are a monster for killing an innocent? That difference was Ebba Akerlund. Brought forth two competing ideologies (communism and fascism) to replace this loss of god, then proceeded to allow both sides to slaughter each other to a standstill and then let corporate backed capitalists tear the survivor to pieces. The Race? The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands. The result is obvious.
Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? Each year these degenerates are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, in our own cities and across the globe. This rapid change in demography will bring about a time of crisis, as the reality of our possible ethnic replacement becomes obvious to all, even the naysayers. But the only way to get to the final destination, total victory, is to get up and keep marching forward. Section I Addresses to various groups It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate. They slaved for a better future for their people, and now other peoples shake their fists and point their fingers, reprimanding us for living better lives, wealthier lives in wealthier countries.
>CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD.
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1e42da No.13231203
Simple, white, wooden crosses stretching from the fields beside the roadway, seemingly without end, into the horizon. A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. If you survived, did you intend to go to trial? Finally I would like to send a message to the perpetrators of these attacks, and their families. And above all they don ’ t even care if it does. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. Broken families with soaring divorce rates, that ’ s if they even bother to get married at all.Suicide rates climbing year by year, not just for adults, by even teens and children as well and the only time people seem to even notice is when one of their own idols commits the act (singers, sports stars, actors). Those that find themselves born linguistically in the minority suffer daily, as the conversation of life excludes them, the mass media isolates them and businesses turn them away, as does the societies speech itself. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death.
You may stumble. THE UNARMED INVADER IS MORE DANGEROUS THAT THE ARMED The Lightning March through the institutions While the lefts march through the institutions was long and ultimately successful we must achieve the same, but in a much shorter time period. Any religious ideal that stood between the wealthy and wealth generation was downplayed, sidelined and quietly dismantled. Depending on the definition. What makes you believe you are European, not just an Australian? I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van.
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38f8e8 No.13231242
Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian owned once more. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? THE MYTH OF THE MELTING POT MUST END, AND WITH IT THE MYTH OF THE EGALITARIAN NATION No taxes to anti-white States Until our nations are run by men and women loyal to our cause taxation should be considered theft, and refusal to pay taxes a sign of racial loyalty. No. Despite this ridiculous match up, the possibility of a victory by the quasi-nationalist was at least, to myself, a sign that maybe a political solution was still possible.The internationalist, globalist, anti-white, ex-banker won. When the time comes you must be ready to act. Break it ’ s back, anyway you can. The issue is complicated, far more complicated and difficult to fix than the issue of Ethnic replacement. KILL ANGELA MERKEL, KILL ERDOGAN, KILL SADIQ KHAN The Paradox of the diverse equality The greatest joke of all is the quixotic foolishness of the diverse but equal society. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
From where great leaders arise The men and women needed by a society in crisis are created by a greater societal group thought, they arise from their environment, from their folk, seeming springing forth from the people as if they were waiting for the moment. You may fall. The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed. What makes you believe there are racial differences and that those differences matter? When they demand you pay, refuse. Who do you consider white?
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93da8e No.13231245
Everything else is just a catchphrase. Likely a new society will need to be created with a much greater focus on family values, gender and social norms and the value and importance of nature, culture and race. I do not just expected to be released, but I also expect an eventual Nobel Peace prize.As was awarded to the Terrorist Nelson Mandela once his own people achieved victory and took power. What makes you believe there are racial differences and that those differences matter? These repercussions will hit them hard, fast and without mercy. Originally the mosque in Dunedin was the main target, particularly after watching the video on their facebook page named “ Otago muslim association ” https: //www.facebook.com/Otago-Muslim-Association-20677822935878 6/ The video war entitled “ Very interesting video. For now we appeal to the anger and black comedic nature of the present, but eventually we will need to show the warmth and genuine love we have for our people. They were an obvious, visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. THE UNARMED INVADER IS MORE DANGEROUS THAT THE ARMED The Lightning March through the institutions While the lefts march through the institutions was long and ultimately successful we must achieve the same, but in a much shorter time period.
Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. Were/are you a socialist? Through our own actions and speech we shall show them a new path. We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. The truth that the West killed the notion of god, and proceeded to replace it with nothing. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid.
>You are the voice, you are the klaxon call, you hold the first spear to be thrust at the invaders.
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2a7a03 No.13231315
It was not preached to the crowd, It was not taught by the state. The idea that all it takes for a Han chinese man to become German is to be born on German soil is as insane as a German born on Mars becoming a Martian. Why is that their non diverse nations do so much better than our own, and on so many different metrics? If we want to radically and fundamentally change society, then we need to radicalize society as much as possible. Those around my were the typical Australians, apathetic and for the most part apolitical, only truly showing motivation in matters of animal rights, environmentalism and taxation. I had seen enough, and in anger, drove out of the the town, refusing to stay any longer in the cursed place and headed on to the next town. Just Wait! How they are removed is irrelevant, peacefully, forcefully, happily, violently or diplomatically. Whilst we may use edgy humour and memes in the vanguard stage, and to attract a young audience, eventually we will need to show the reality of our thoughts and our more serious intents and wishes for the future. No. A finger on the hand of the body of Europe.
Support them politically, voice support of their leaders, their ideals and their people. These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man. Force is the only path to power and the only path to true victory. Why you should risk nothing whilst others risk all? 3.Answers to detractors and to those that oppose my beliefs/methods Won ’ t your attack do more harm than good? They grow up and take the potential homes of your own people for themselves, they occupy positions of power, remove wealth and destroy social trust.
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94c2be No.13231328
A Moroccan may never be an Estonian much the same as an Estonian may never be a Moroccan. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? STOP RUNNING, START FIGHTING Emotions rule over facts Stop trying to persuade the general population with statistics, charts, tablets and figures. This Pakistani muslim invader now sits as representative for the people of London. Survival was a better alternative to death in order to further spread my ideals by media coverage and to deplete resources from the state by my own imprisonment. Did you commit the attack to receive media coverage and to propagate your own writings/beliefs/ideals? Above all be ready for violence, and when the times comes, strike hard and fast. Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older, we grow weaker. They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. Are you a part of any political groups or movements? Victors write the history and the writers of history control the cultural climate of the present time.
Was the attack “ racist ” in origin? What makes you believe you are European, not just an Australian? So yes. These greed filled bastards expect to replace our people with a race of low intellect, low agency, muddled, muddied masses just so their own wealth and power can increase. I came upon a cemetery, one of the many mass cemeteries created to bury the French and other European soldiers lost in the Wars that crippled Europe. Lobby those in power to show your support, protest outside embassies of those nations that do not support the nation, and if need be attack them.
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2bb493 No.13231344
What remains? That perverse nation profanes the hospices … The temple of the Lord is treated like a criminal and the ornaments of the sanctuary are robbed. The truth of the political situation in Europe was suddenly impossible to accept.My despair set in.My belief in a democratic solution vanished. Take from my views that which works, discard that which does not.Victory is all that matters. Ethnic autonomy? EUROPES VALUE IS IN THE EUROPEAN PEOPLE The time after the baby boomers have passed isn't the time to START acting, but the time we should be FINISHING our victory. Without a single shot fired in response? Meanwhile they badger, trick and guilt-shame the European people into forfeiting their own hard earned income and giving it directly to their peoples cultural and ethnic competitors, many of which have the only intent of conquering and destroying the European peoples. They are the most despised group of invaders in the West, attacking them receives the greatest level of support. Haplogroups, phenotypes and globalized testing. The people speaking now, acting now, fighting now, are the vanguard of the vanguard of the force of the people.
Was there a particular event or reason you decided to commit to a violent attack? We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. No two different things can ever truly be equal, especially humans. Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue.
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93d826 No.13231363
But eventually, when enough people fight back and refuse to pay taxes, refuse to fund the traitors in power, the state itself will wilt, then collapse. Many, one thing that can be said about the current state of the West is that we live in a target rich environment, traitors and enemies abound. Better for you to face them now then your kin to face them in the future. What our own nations now based on? They need not be born here, share our race, our language, our culture or our beliefs. Not in Europe, not in the Americas, not in Australia or New Zealand. They are also one of the strongest groups, with high fertility, high in group preference and a will to conquer. As these baby boomers pass on and leave us behind, there will be a rapid and obvious change in the demographic make up of our nations, both statistically and socially. Were/are you are “ racist ”? It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum “ diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength… ”. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors.
Inaction will lead to sure defeat. The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties! These writing, and their coverage, are just a bonus. If a an individual is in ownership or control of a corporation or business, and advocates or even accepts the mass importation of non-whites to replace the native European populations, then that traitor must be destroyed. Violence is power and violence is the reality of history.Wake up.
>How this worked in reality, well…only you know.
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ee8dfa No.13231417
Meanwhile the “ diverse ” nations across the world are scenes of endless social, political, religious and ethnic conflict. This time can not be relied on for a beginning of the rebellion, only utilized as a final stage of energy and escalation to finalize our capture of power. Force is the only path to power and the only path to true victory. Striking quickly and then exfiltrating from the area of attack was the plan, to avoid the responders of the state and to avoid a situation where I was forced to harm them. How is this possible? As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. To continue on without our culture, but still own our lands, is a defeat. When anyone can be a German, a Brit, a Frenchmen, then being European has truly lost all meaning Make no mistake, the erosion of local and national identity has no come about by accident, it is a concerted and targeted effort against the European people. No, just a partisan. The only option for a true man or woman of Europe is to labour, labour with all effort towards victory. I can not guarantee it will be comfortable, I can not guarantee it will be easy and I can not guarantee that every act will be a success.
The truth of the political situation in Europe was suddenly impossible to accept.My despair set in.My belief in a democratic solution vanished. This is WHITE GENOCIDE. Yes, I dislike them. Destabilize, then take control. They are also one of the strongest groups, with high fertility, high in group preference and a will to conquer. There is no nation in the world that wasn ’ t founded by, or maintained by, the use of force.
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001075 No.13231429
Do you feel any remorse for the attack? Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). Are you a part of any political groups or movements? It may upset many, but the truth of the matter is these people are directly responsible for the current invasion and sacking of Europe and their treachery has damaged European prospects greatly. Not in Europe, not in the Americas, not in Australia or New Zealand. Why make your children fight, when you could fight in their stead? Born in Australia to a working class, low income family. In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents. How this worked in reality, well…only you know. It is a terrorist attack.
Just Wait! I am a racist. There is no one person equal to any other, not identical twins, not countrymen, not workers within a class group and certainly not those of differing races. This Pakistani muslim invader now sits as representative for the people of London. Paint, write, sing, dance, recite poetry. Who do you represent?
>Despite this ridiculous match up, the possibility of a victory by the quasi-nationalist was at least, to myself, a sign that maybe a political solution was still possible.The internationalist, globalist, anti-white, ex-banker won.
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d0c941 No.13231508
How is this possible? Pedophile politicians, pedophile priests and pedophile pop stars, demonstrating to all the true depravity of our age. All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. Do not suffer under the delusion of a Democratic victory, prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss and struggle, as it is the only path to Victory. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. This is WHITE GENOCIDE. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall. Millions of European and other ethno-nationalist peoples that wish to live in peace amongst their own people, living in their own lands, practicing their own traditions and deciding the future of their own kind. We must not be in a chaotic, life or death civil war at a time when our rival nations are at their peak of dominance. Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are willing to WORK, let them in! Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard?
I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. If we wait until the majority of the boomers begin to pass (between 2028-2038 depending on individual nations and life expectancies) than it will be too little, too late. Look to the heart of the conflict, march yourself there, press yourself into service. But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less. MOVE AS ONE, FULL SUPPORT FOR BROTHER NATIONS Accept Death, Embrace Infamy Death is certain, you may die in service to some grand crusade or pass away in a hospice, either way you will die.
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0ae291 No.13231548
If you are released we will find you and kill you, if you are in prison we will reach you there, if you try to hide these rapist scum we will kill you as well. In the event of an engagement I had the somewhat quixotic notion of shouting down responding state enforcers, intimidating them into dropping their weapons and if that failed, only targeting non-vital areas of their body such as the anterior of the thigh, shoulder or a side-on through shot of the calf, hamstring or gluteal muscles so as to cause the least amount of harm as possible and to allow for a quick recovery. Yes, beyond all doubt, anti-immigration, anti-ethnic replacement and anti-cultural replacement. Those who are not ethnically and culturally European. These NGO ’ s are the modern money changers inside the church, and must be driven out, by voice or by whip. Live or die, know I did it all for you; my friends, my family, my people, my culture, my RACE. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Are you a Fed/shill/mossad agent/false flag/patsy/infiltrator/antifa/glow in the dark etc? Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. Conservatism is dead. This is cultural replacement.
Their voices were even and low, Their eyes were level and straight. The weaker we become the more immigrants will refuse to join us, refuse to partake in the cultural suicide that we extol. This eradication of their people, their culture, their very soul. Their voices were even and low, Their eyes were level and straight. Are you a part of any political groups or movements? Live or die, know I did it all for you; my friends, my family, my people, my culture, my RACE.
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e4c3bf No.13231558
We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. Mass immigration and the higher fertility rates of the immigrants themselves are causing this increase in population. But for some reason this was different. Anything else is a defeat. Your grand children? The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? If you are released we will find you and kill you, if you are in prison we will reach you there, if you try to hide these rapist scum we will kill you as well. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide. From where did you receive/research/develop your beliefs? Were/are you a supporter of Brexit?
In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. For now we appeal to the anger and black comedic nature of the present, but eventually we will need to show the warmth and genuine love we have for our people. Whilst we may use edgy humour and memes in the vanguard stage, and to attract a young audience, eventually we will need to show the reality of our thoughts and our more serious intents and wishes for the future. EXPECT A SOLDIERS FIGHT AND A SOLDIERS DEATH The Danger of the Invader If you were to kill sixty armed invaders having shown the will and the intent to bring harm to your nation and people, you would be hailed a hero, given your nations highest civilian honours, paraded before the media and the adoring public. So take the prison time, take the beating or even fight back. They must be willing and wishing to be a part of this new future we envision.We can not, and should not, rely on oppression to encourage the population to fit this new paradigm.
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0dd388 No.13231592
To ensure diverse peoples remain diverse, separate, unique, undiluted in unrestrained in cultural or ethnic expression and autonomy. History is the history of power. It is not just a matter of our prosperity, but the very survival of our people. I blame both, and plan to deal with both. We must inevitably correct the disaster of hedonistic, nihilistic individualism. In the United States, perhaps more than anywhere else in the world, the cult of the individual has been practiced for the longest time and with the deepest devotion. VENERATE THE ANCESTORS BUT WORK FOR THE CHILDREN A soldiers fight The ideal of a heroic war, without loss, without failure, without some great setback, is idealistic and downright impossible. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. These tumultuous times can be brought about through action. What is an Australian but a drunk European? Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit.
The global and corporate run press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. Because you can not accept anything less. To create an atmosphere of fear and change in which drastic, powerful and revolutionary action can occur. In every french city, in every french town the invaders were there. If there is one thing I want you to remember from these writings, its that the birthrates must change. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik.
>They will soon realize there are repercussions to being a race traitors.
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4e215f No.13231599
Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. Incite conflict.Place posters near public parks calling for sharia law, then in the next week place posters over such posters calling for the expulsion of all immigrants, repeat in every area of public life until the crisis arises. These writing, and their coverage, are just a bonus. This time of possible instability will also be a at a time where our potential nation enemies in the East will be reaching their own zeniths of power. They are also one of the strongest groups, with high fertility, high in group preference and a will to conquer. Historical, societal and statistical reasons. Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power. Ethnic autonomy? Why did you choose New Zealand as a place to attack? Even at Vienna in 1683 we Europeans still lost over fourteen thousand good men. Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results.
Were/are you a supporter of Front National? Anything else is a defeat. If a an individual is in ownership or control of a corporation or business, and advocates or even accepts the mass importation of non-whites to replace the native European populations, then that traitor must be destroyed. I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. And what can we do to stop it? Once the corporate and state medias grip on the zeitgeist of modernity was finally broken by the internet, true freedom of thought and discussion flourished and the overton window was not just shifted, but shattered.
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772ecd No.13231655
They all turn on each other in the end. This is ethnic replacement. All else is insufficient. These same children will one day become teens, then adults, voting against the wishes of our people, practicing the cultural and religious practices of the invaders, taking our peoples lands, work, houses and even attacking and killing our children. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall. Islamic nations in particular have high birth rates, regardless of race or ethnicity, and in this there was an anti-islamic motivation to the attacks, as well as a want for revenge against islam for the 1300 years of war and devastation that it has brought upon the people of the West and other peoples of the world. We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. Do you consider yourself a leader? You're fucking dead, kiddo. The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field on the same day? The internet, of course.
Historical, societal and statistical reasons. Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time. Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard? The war will not be easy, the death toll will assuredly be high. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. STOP RUNNING, START FIGHTING Emotions rule over facts Stop trying to persuade the general population with statistics, charts, tablets and figures.
>Was the attack anti-diversity in origin?
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1f42ae No.13231664
https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies _by_total_fertility_rate There is not a single Western country, not a single white nation, that reaches these levels. I will let my actions speak for themselves. Why attack muslims if all high fertility immigrants are the issue? I worked for a short time before making some money investing in Bitconnect, then used the money from the investment to travel. Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming. The truth of the political situation in Europe was suddenly impossible to accept.My despair set in.My belief in a democratic solution vanished. Religion? The people who are to blame most are ourselves, european men. Meanwhile the “ diverse ” nations across the world are scenes of endless social, political, religious and ethnic conflict. Where they are removed to is not our concern, or responsibility. Were/are you are “ racist ”?
You may stumble. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement. RETAKE THE CITIES, RETAKE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT Support Your Brother Nations When one country moves, you move with them, support them financially, politically, socially and physically. Were/are you a conservative? When they ask why, you tell them why. Those that find themselves born linguistically in the minority suffer daily, as the conversation of life excludes them, the mass media isolates them and businesses turn them away, as does the societies speech itself.
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420b2a No.13231668
Inaction will lead to sure defeat. Why did you choose this time to attack? The cheaper labour and ignorance of environmental health will always result in cheaper goods produced with less effort and inevitably result in control of the market. What our own nations now based on? Above all be ready for violence, and when the times comes, strike hard and fast. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. You will risk, struggle, strive, drive, stumble, fall, crawl, charge and perspire, all in the name of victory. All in the hopes of a peaceful death? I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. KILL YOUR LOCAL DRUG DEALER Europe for Europeans The invaders must be removed from European soil, regardless from where they came or when they came. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today.
VICTORY CAN NOT WAIT, YOUR PEOPLE NEED YOU NOW! You may stumble. Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? I am a racist. Were there other targets planned in your attack? They must be removed.
>I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study.
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918f0d No.13231815
Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I don ’ t want you by my side or I don ’ t want share power. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible. Did you commit the attack to receive media coverage and to propagate your own writings/beliefs/ideals? Who do you support? I am a racist. To take the fight to the invaders myself. THE UNARMED INVADER IS MORE DANGEROUS THAT THE ARMED The Lightning March through the institutions While the lefts march through the institutions was long and ultimately successful we must achieve the same, but in a much shorter time period. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). As these baby boomers pass on and leave us behind, there will be a rapid and obvious change in the demographic make up of our nations, both statistically and socially. Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture.
Canvas public areas in support of radical positions, even if they are not your own. Strong men do not get ethnically replaced, strong men do not allow their culture to degrade, strong men do not allow their people to die. WHEN YOU SEE THEM; WHEN YOU HEAR THEM; YOU WILL KNOW THEM, AS THEY ARE YOU, AND YOURS. To survive with our culture, but to lose our lands, to lose our future, is a defeat. If convicted, do you expect to stay in prison? The global and corporate run press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them.
>They are also one of the strongest groups, with high fertility, high in group preference and a will to conquer.
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ded45f No.13231820
No matter what. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide. This solution of a Democratic salvation is nothing but a pipe dream, and as our enemies increase within our lands, driven by mass immigration and the invaders own higher birth rate it will be pushed further and further into the realms of impossibility. I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations. Europe is only Europe because of its combined genetic, cultural and linguistic heritage. Art and beauty subverted beyond all recognition, bauhaus travesties replacing nouveau wonders, soulless metropolitan architecture of glass and steel reflecting no society, no culture, no people and therefore belonging everywhere, and no where. This is WHITE GENOCIDE. Take from my views that which works, discard that which does not.Victory is all that matters. There was a period of time 2 years prior to the attack to the attack that dramatically changed my views.The period of time was from, beginning of April,2017 until the end May,2017. Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. I will let my actions speak for themselves.
To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. Are you a part of any political groups or movements? By the definition, then yes. Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. Just a ordinary White man,28 years old. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement.
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463a12 No.13231829
Above all be ready for violence, and when the times comes, strike hard and fast. Nah, not really.An Australian living in New Zealand is much the same as an Austrian living in Bavaria. That is a very broad category of people, and the definition is fuzzy at best. -Invictis by William Ernest Henley There is only one victory, but many defeats. Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. Brazil with all its racial diversity is completely fractured as a nation, where people can not get along and separate and self segregate whenever possible. 3.Answers to detractors and to those that oppose my beliefs/methods Won ’ t your attack do more harm than good? It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. No. Were/are you a nazi? KILL YOUR LOCAL DRUG DEALER Europe for Europeans The invaders must be removed from European soil, regardless from where they came or when they came.
https: //www.facebook.com/206778229358786/videos/451628238207116/ But after visiting the mosques in Christchurch and Linwood and seeing the desecration of the church that had been converted to a mosque in Ashburton, my plans changed. Who do you consider white? Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs. No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it. Simple, white, wooden crosses stretching from the fields beside the roadway, seemingly without end, into the horizon. But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit.
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74d51f No.13231847
Did/do you have ties to any other partisans/freedom fighters/ethno soldiers? I want you in my sights. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. But only one has the ability and only one has shown to be effective at doing so. Our present comfortable, privileged and prosperous life was gifted to us by our forebears, with the belief that we would maintain, cherish and even expand upon their work, so that one day our own children can enjoy the rewards of our labour. No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate. I had a regular childhood, without any great issues. Barring the importation of all goods produced outside the New European zone (the new Western world) is an essential pillar of the future Western economy. After all I am a private and mostly introverted person. Through our own actions and speech we shall show them a new path. Support them politically, voice support of their leaders, their ideals and their people.
In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? Stop waiting for someone else to show you the way forward, YOU are the way forward, waiting around for someone to start the fight is moronic, because it is YOU that is going to start the fight, If you are reading this, you are the new leaders that will push our people to victory, you are the soldiers that will fight for the future of your race. Each year these degenerates are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, in our own cities and across the globe. Did/do you personally hate muslims? The idea that a Frenchmen need not speak the language, share the culture, believe in the same god or even more importantly be ethnically French is ludicrous in the extreme.
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b89e64 No.13231848
Mistakes will be made, losses will be had, some failures are certain and some endeavours will go bad. Do you feel any remorse for the attack? If you lose, no matter how you acted in your loss; whether that is heroically, cowardly, violently, peacefully, virtuously or criminally, if your enemies are writing the history they will describe you as a devil. How did you develop/research/receive your views and beliefs? Be creative, be expressive, be emotional and above all be passionate. Any religious ideal that stood between the wealthy and wealth generation was downplayed, sidelined and quietly dismantled. Sadiq Khan, The current mayor of London at the time of writing, an open sign of the disenfranchisement and ethnic replacement of the british people in the british isles. Whilst we may use edgy humour and memes in the vanguard stage, and to attract a young audience, eventually we will need to show the reality of our thoughts and our more serious intents and wishes for the future. Sure. That difference was Ebba Akerlund. I can not guarantee my success.
Not by the maneuvers of the lobbies and the parliaments and the congresses, it will come under the stress of necessity. Do you believe you are better than these men? THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM Kill High Profile Enemies There are well known enemies of our nations, enemies of our race that freely walk through our societies, heads held high, believing themselves untouchable. They would not be ignored. Who do you support? Research and data.
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2a0495 No.13231882
I can not guarantee my success. Religion? Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The global and corporate ran press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions committed by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. Were/are you a nazi? Suicidal, nihilistic and degenerate pop icons produced from a dead culture: Michael Jackson (pedophile, self hating, self mutilating, opiod addict); Madonna (degenerate, drug addict, childless, whore, anti-christian, pro miscegenation) Kurt Cobain (suicidal, drug addict, self hater, anti-social), Freddy Mercury (lifelong identity crisis, lifelong battle with hedonism and drug use, eventual death due to sexual hedonism) just to name a few.Empty nurseries, full casinos, empty churches and full mosques, entropy in blitzspeed.Politicians writ in the same ink as Eligabolus, worshiping all that is foreign, poisonous and subversive. Hell, even meme. If you are released we will find you and kill you, if you are in prison we will reach you there, if you try to hide these rapist scum we will kill you as well. They would not be ignored.
Were/are you “ left wing ”? Do you consider it a terrorist attack? Children are always innocent, do you not think you are a monster for killing an innocent? I pulled my rental car over, and sat, staring at these crosses and contemplating how it was that despite these men and womens sacrifice, despite their bravery, we had still fallen so far.I broke into tears, sobbing alone in the car, staring at the crosses, at the forgotten dead. The natural environment? Western Culture? I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van.
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6ad565 No.13231885
Only for Muslims. They see the decay all around them, plummeting, free-falling birth rates all across the Western world. More immigrants are choosing to retain their own healthy culture, year by year, and even more telling, our own people are beginning to join them, looking outside their own watered down and deteriorating culture to look for purpose and guidance from outside sources. The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities. No, the attack was not an attack on diversity, but an attack in the name of diversity. The end result is a nation in gridlock, unable to respond to any great change, unable to commit to any great projects. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force. We must not be in a chaotic, life or death civil war at a time when our rival nations are at their peak of dominance. The countrysides are already ours, as they have always been. Were/are you a christian? No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.
Children are always innocent, do you not think you are a monster for killing an innocent? Force is power. I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. You will find no reprieve, not in Iceland, not in Poland, not in New Zealand, not in Argentina, not in Ukraine, not anywhere in the world. I had the will and I had the resources. Were/are you are “ racist ”?
>The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this.
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cd9274 No.13231887
They are also one of the strongest groups, with high fertility, high in group preference and a will to conquer. A list of wikipedia entries from the most well known British rape cases follows: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scan dal https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_grooming_gang https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Doublet https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_child_sex_abuse_ring https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal What many do not know is that these cases do not solely occur in Britain, but elsewhere in the Western world as well, as shown by these two well known cases in Australia: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes And even in Finland: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oulu_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal Just as shocking are the cases of open and public sexual assault and harassment performed by these invasive scum that appear to be occurring ever more frequently across the European world such as those in Germany in the New years eve sexual assaults in Cologne, Hamburg, Dortmund, Dusseldorf, Stuttgart and Bielefeld. Just do not allow your scepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. This rapid change in demography will bring about a time of crisis, as the reality of our possible ethnic replacement becomes obvious to all, even the naysayers. Did they perceive us any differently after the attack than they did before? And above all they don ’ t even care if it does. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. Think again, fucker.
Were/are you an anti-semite? What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism? That is a very broad category of people, and the definition is fuzzy at best. Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. They are finally removing their blindfolds and seeing the reality of the the world and their peoples future. Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities.
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6fd5c4 No.13231923
Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. Who do you consider non-white? This wealth and prosperity was paid for in the sweat and blood of your ancestors. No one can give an answer. Some are at different stages than others but all are feeling the pressure. Where they are removed to is not our concern, or responsibility. The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel, smog and wires but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows. Yes, until I am either killed, released or enough time passes and the greater situation is an obvious defeat of our people.Then I will commit suicide, happy in the knowledge I did my best to prevent the death of my race. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. Londinium, the very heart of the British isles. Why attack muslims if all high fertility immigrants are the issue?
Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. Something, this time, was different. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? To ensure diverse peoples remain diverse, separate, unique, undiluted in unrestrained in cultural or ethnic expression and autonomy. The result is obvious. As for me, my time has come.
>But for some reason this was different.
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4fe200 No.13231999
They are finally removing their blindfolds and seeing the reality of the the world and their peoples future. Why should others fight for you if you are not willing to fight for yourself? Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children? Why them when I could do it myself? So no, I don ’ t believe so. Yes, and it seems we immigrants seem to bring a whole host of issues. Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states? This time can not be relied on for a beginning of the rebellion, only utilized as a final stage of energy and escalation to finalize our capture of power. You can ’ t. Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto. Religion?
It was another terror attack in the seemingly never ending attacks that had been occurring on a regular basis throughout my adult life. Millions of European and other ethno-nationalist peoples that wish to live in peace amongst their own people, living in their own lands, practicing their own traditions and deciding the future of their own kind. Do not expect to survive, the only thing you should expect is a true war and to die the death of a true soldier. STOP RUNNING, START FIGHTING Emotions rule over facts Stop trying to persuade the general population with statistics, charts, tablets and figures. They congregate, discuss, despair, strategize, debate and plan. Yes, and it seems we immigrants seem to bring a whole host of issues.
>Support them economically, donate to their cause, buy products from their people, volunteer your resources and labour.
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c1eeba No.13232015
To create an atmosphere of fear and change in which drastic, powerful and revolutionary action can occur. A Moroccan may never be an Estonian much the same as an Estonian may never be a Moroccan. Kidding, but Australian is a European colony, particularly of British stock and thereby an extension of Europe. But the aftershock from my actions will ripple for years to come, driving political and social discourse, creating the atmosphere or fear and change that is required. Both would seek to destroy our nation, both would seek to displace and replace our people, both would seek to destroy our culture and nationhood. History is the history of power. Were there other targets planned in your attack? Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us. No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate.
And above all they don ’ t even care if it does. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. Despite how many of you may feel living amongst the pollution, amongst the cultural filth, crammed into tiny apartments in the city sprawls, far flung from mans natural environment. Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture. I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations. Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto.
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566916 No.13232096
The countrysides are already ours, as they have always been. DIVERSITY IS UNEQUAL, HIERARCHIES ARE CERTAIN The present is a gift from those in our past Your ancestors did not sweat, bleed and die in the name of a multicultural, egalitarian nation. The countrysides are already ours, as they have always been. KILL ANGELA MERKEL, KILL ERDOGAN, KILL SADIQ KHAN The Paradox of the diverse equality The greatest joke of all is the quixotic foolishness of the diverse but equal society. I know, because I have been there. Those that are ethnically and culturally European. And how does diversity increase that strength? Nothing is conserved. Eventually, when the white population of the USA realizes the truth of the situation, war will erupt. But only one has the ability and only one has shown to be effective at doing so. Sure.
So these young men and women see this suicidal nihilism and isolate themselves from this mainstream, “ multicultural ”, egalitarian, individualistic insanity and look for allies anywhere they can find them, in the flesh or online. Did/do you have ties to any other partisans/freedom fighters/ethno soldiers? Were/are you a socialist? I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik. Are you a Fed/shill/mossad agent/false flag/patsy/infiltrator/antifa/glow in the dark etc? Destabilize, then take control.
>We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history.
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f718cd No.13232121
But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. A muslim man or woman living in their homelands? No. An act, which morals you doubt in the present, will be writ by your people in wonder and admiration in the books of history. No, I only wish I could have killed more invaders, and more traitors as well. All else is intolerable. They are no innocents in an invasion, all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt. Mass immigration will disenfranchise us, subvert our nations, destroy our communities, destroy our ethnic binds, destroy our cultures, destroy our peoples. Why attack muslims if all high fertility immigrants are the issue? Their is no shared culture, ethnicity, language, values or beliefs. Not if you know what I know and want for what we want. Giving your own earned wealth, which you received through your own labour, to a person or group that despises you, places laws into effect that disenfranchises your people and seeks to ethnically replace you is utterly foolish.
No matter what. Art and beauty subverted beyond all recognition, bauhaus travesties replacing nouveau wonders, soulless metropolitan architecture of glass and steel reflecting no society, no culture, no people and therefore belonging everywhere, and no where. We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. Many, one thing that can be said about the current state of the West is that we live in a target rich environment, traitors and enemies abound. No. 3.Answers to detractors and to those that oppose my beliefs/methods Won ’ t your attack do more harm than good?
>WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING?
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5deb42 No.13232135
Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response. We must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil. Mass immigration and the higher fertility rates of the immigrants themselves are causing this increase in population. Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible. In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. States hate other states, the electoral college is under attack at every turn and the races are at each others throats. The Race? These situations are chaotic and virtually impossible to control, no matter the planning. What better sign of the white rebirth than the removal of this invader? No matter what.
The movement may begin in Poland, Austria, France, Argentina, Australia, Canada or even Venezuela, but the movement will begin and when it does, be ready to throw your weight behind your people, with full force. All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. We must not be in a chaotic, life or death civil war at a time when our rival nations are at their peak of dominance. Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older, we grow weaker. There was a racial component to the attack. No one person in particular, I support many groups but I am a member of none.
>No, just a partisan.
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6838c3 No.13232158
You will find no reprieve, not in Iceland, not in Poland, not in New Zealand, not in Argentina, not in Ukraine, not anywhere in the world. They will soon realize there are repercussions to being a race traitors. Kidding, but Australian is a European colony, particularly of British stock and thereby an extension of Europe. More often than not these NGOs hide their true intentions behind a facade of religiosity and only once you investigate into the leadership and governance of the NGO itself do you find the people running the show are in fact far from religious themselves and more often than not are actually atheistic cultural marxists using naive Christian Europeans to both labour and fund fund their own attempt at class and racial warfare. REMOVE THE INVADERS, RETAKE EUROPE You wait for a signal, whilst your people wait for YOU Whilst you wait for a sign, a signal; someone to take up the spear; to cry out in alarm, your people wait on YOU. Millions of invaders landing on our shores, conquering our towns and without a single shot fired in response. By living in New Zealand, weren ’ t you an immigrant yourself? Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand? This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us. If the media or state in your region attacks them, destroy the corporation and traitorous politicians responsible. -Altered version of “ The Beginnings ” by Rudyard Kipling To Conservatives Ask yourself, truly, what has modern conservatism managed to conserve?
The war will not be easy, the death toll will assuredly be high. Due to mass immigration we lack the time scale required to enact the civilizational paradigm shift we need to undertake to return to health and prosperity. The idea that a Frenchmen need not speak the language, share the culture, believe in the same god or even more importantly be ethnically French is ludicrous in the extreme. Humans are emotional, they are driven by emotions, guided by emotions and seek emotion expressions and experiences. It is not just a matter of our prosperity, but the very survival of our people. To Christians “ The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations.
>Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture?
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fc8e0f No.13232194
The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. I have read the writings of Dylan Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik. YOU WILL BE REVERED, BUT ONLY IF YOU WIN. “ We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities! https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies _by_total_fertility_rate There is not a single Western country, not a single white nation, that reaches these levels. That isn ’ t a question. In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? Force is power. The truth is that eventually people must face the fact that it wasn ’ t a damn thing to do with the economy.That it was the British people firing back at mass immigration, cultural displacement and globalism, and that ’ s a great and wonderful thing. Why is it that what gives Western nations strength (diversity) is not what gives Eastern nations (China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) their strength?
Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? KILL THE RAPISTS, HANG THEIR FAMILIES Diversity is weak Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength? All possibility of expression and belief was open to be taught, discussed and spoken. We must not be in a chaotic, life or death civil war at a time when our rival nations are at their peak of dominance. It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents. The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel, smog and wires but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows.
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049ecb No.13232213
I want you in my sights. Do you feel any remorse for the attack? Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are willing to WORK, let them in! Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth. Just Wait! When I know, I will tell you. Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth. Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states? Each nation and each ethnicity was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. Who do you represent?
In front of those endless crosses, in front of those dead soldiers lost in forgotten wars, my despair turned to shame, my shame to guilt, my guilt to anger and my anger to rage. Sadiq Khan, The current mayor of London at the time of writing, an open sign of the disenfranchisement and ethnic replacement of the british people in the british isles. Whilst we may use edgy humour and memes in the vanguard stage, and to attract a young audience, eventually we will need to show the reality of our thoughts and our more serious intents and wishes for the future. -Invictis by William Ernest Henley There is only one victory, but many defeats. As a policy maker and leader? Men of the West must be men once more.
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417693 No.13232220
No matter where I travelled, no matter how small or rural the community I visited, the invaders were there. Do not suffer under the delusion of an effortless, riskless democratic victory. When they demand you pay, refuse. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? There is only one victory. Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers? Why were we allowing these soldiers deaths to be in vain? Those that wish a future for white children, and to ensure the existence of our people. Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? That is a very broad category of people, and the definition is fuzzy at best. The truth that the West killed the notion of god, and proceeded to replace it with nothing.
This crisis of mass immigration and sub-replacement fertility is an assault on the European people that, if not combated, will ultimately result in the complete racial and cultural replacement of the European people. They decry weakness, mock fecklessness and worship strength, and in this worship of strength they radicalize and find the solution. Drug use at all levels of society, in all age groups, any source of distraction or relief to escape a culture of nihilism. These NGO ’ s are the modern money changers inside the church, and must be driven out, by voice or by whip. Were/are you a supporter of Brexit? Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid.
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249b85 No.13232322
Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our own enemies. For the disgrace you have heaped upon the European people and the distress you have caused to European women, you will die. Conservatism is dead. Why them when I could do it myself? But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. Diversity is anathema to equality. It may upset many, but the truth of the matter is these people are directly responsible for the current invasion and sacking of Europe and their treachery has damaged European prospects greatly. Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally.Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive. The global and corporate run press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. Children are always innocent, do you not think you are a monster for killing an innocent?
The final push was witnessing the state of French cities and towns. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. B. A finger on the hand of the body of Europe. If they could die, so can you. THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM Kill High Profile Enemies There are well known enemies of our nations, enemies of our race that freely walk through our societies, heads held high, believing themselves untouchable.
>Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth.
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cfe70d No.13232329
Give your everything to your people. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. It will come in a great wave of popularity, in a great awakening of the European soul. ” -Sir Oswald Mosley Who is truly to blame? The movement may begin in Poland, Austria, France, Argentina, Australia, Canada or even Venezuela, but the movement will begin and when it does, be ready to throw your weight behind your people, with full force. Without overwhelming effort and extreme risk, expect nothing. I was travelling as a tourist in Western Europe at the time, France, Spain Portugal and others.The first event that begun the change was the terror attack in Stockholm, on the 7 th of April 2017. To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves. So no, I don ’ t believe so.
Support them politically, voice support of their leaders, their ideals and their people. Both would seek to destroy our nation, both would seek to displace and replace our people, both would seek to destroy our culture and nationhood. There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate. Were/are you a christian? In the end human greed and the need for increasing profit margins of capital owners needs to be fought against and broken. Men of the West must be men once more.
>These leaders will be paragon examples of your people, virtuous, incorruptible, speaking truth to power and a truth that resonates with your very soul.
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a7a9e1 No.13232360
To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. Ignore the naysayers and weasels who will always repeat “ Not Now! The global and corporate ran press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions committed by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. Those who are not ethnically and culturally European. But once I arrived in France, I found the stories to not only be true, but profoundly understated. If they could die, so can you. What makes you believe you are European, not just an Australian? In the event of an engagement I had the somewhat quixotic notion of shouting down responding state enforcers, intimidating them into dropping their weapons and if that failed, only targeting non-vital areas of their body such as the anterior of the thigh, shoulder or a side-on through shot of the calf, hamstring or gluteal muscles so as to cause the least amount of harm as possible and to allow for a quick recovery. Finally there are those that find themselves in the ethnic or racial minority and find their very own genes being bred out of existence through miscegenation and differing racial birth rates. On the east side of the Bosphorus.
Drive through confessionals and no fault divorce? Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. No.No group ordered my attack, I make the decision myself. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Just as their own courage will never flower forth. More skilled and courageous?
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fa4e9a No.13232406
Which I do not mind. Luckily for us, the end results of this deracialized, irreligious and deculturized program show themselves. To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. To show the effect of direct action, lighting a path forward for those that wish to follow.A path for those that wish to free their ancestors lands from the invaders grasp and to be a beacon for those that wish to create a lasting culture, to tell them they are not alone. Mass immigration will disenfranchise us, subvert our nations, destroy our communities, destroy our ethnic binds, destroy our cultures, destroy our peoples. To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. Were/are you a christian? Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. We do not have the birth rates to fight them at their game, nor should we as it is ultimately destructive to nature and culture.So I took matters into my own hands. All I can guarantee is that inaction is sure defeat, power structures will be tested and likely will fall and most of all there is only the future ahead and attempting to march back to any earlier time will get you no where at all. Perhaps you could tap out, lay down, lick the boots of your occupiers and pray they will let you be comfortable, if only for a little while.
Expect death, expect struggle, expect loss that you will never forget. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? Whether that is by encouraging and pushing increases to the minimum wage; furthering the unionization of workers; increasing the native birthrate and thereby reducing the need for the importation of labour; increasing the rights of workers; pushing for the increase in automation or advancement of industrial labour replacement or any other tactic that is available. What remains? Be creative, be expressive, be emotional and above all be passionate. The United states is one of the most diverse nations on Earth, and they are about an inch away from tearing each other to pieces.
>Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older, we grow weaker.
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08e609 No.13232444
Just do not allow your scepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you. NGOs ARE TRAITOR ORGANIZATIONS If you lose history will write you as monsters, regardless of your tactics.Win first, write the narrative later. But do not pay taxes to anti-whites. Invade the cities, take the cities, battle in the streets for the cities. Why not me? Empty churches and full shopping centers? Meanwhile the “ diverse ” nations across the world are scenes of endless social, political, religious and ethnic conflict. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. Why is it that what gives Western nations strength (diversity) is not what gives Eastern nations (China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) their strength? Barring the importation of all goods produced outside the New European zone (the new Western world) is an essential pillar of the future Western economy.
Were there other targets planned in your attack? These leaders will be paragon examples of your people, virtuous, incorruptible, speaking truth to power and a truth that resonates with your very soul. Pedophile politicians, pedophile priests and pedophile pop stars, demonstrating to all the true depravity of our age. Finally I would like to send a message to the perpetrators of these attacks, and their families. Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. Do you allow them to grow freely, openly, to one day bite you child as they play in their own yard?
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6a2b54 No.13232487
I am a racist. In this tempest of conflict is where will be strike, a strong, unified, ethnically and culturally focused pro-white, pro-european group will be everything the average white family need and long for. But what few know is that Rotherham is just one of an ongoing trend of rape and molestation perpetrated by these non-white scum. The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley ’ s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. I can not guarantee my success. In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. Why attack immigrants when “ x ” are the issue? Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities. We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit.
Who do you support? But it will take take some time, time we do not have due to the crisis of mass immigration. These tumultuous times can be brought about through action. Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. A finger on the hand of the body of Europe. But the unarmed invader, we have no real idea on how to deal with them, we are unable to attack them or fend them off in any meaningful way.
>Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall.
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c49f97 No.13232502
Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump? I can not guarantee it will be comfortable, I can not guarantee it will be easy and I can not guarantee that every act will be a success. Originally the mosque in Dunedin was the main target, particularly after watching the video on their facebook page named “ Otago muslim association ” https: //www.facebook.com/Otago-Muslim-Association-20677822935878 6/ The video war entitled “ Very interesting video. Were/are you a fascist? Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children? No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate. The people who are to blame most are ourselves, european men. Due to the threat of ethnic replacement and our own horribly low birth rates, we do not have 150 years or even 50 years to achieve positions of power. Those that are ethnically and culturally European. Stability and comfort are the enemies of revolutionary change. Violence isn ’ t the answer, why are you using force?
Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? This is racial replacement. To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought. There is no pleasant meadow in which you can lay down your weary body, rest your head and wait for it all to blow over. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed.
>The internet, of course.
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1bebcf No.13232578
A political candidate that keeps the status quo or only seeks to introduce minimal change, even when the minimal change is in support of our cause, is ultimately useless or even damaging. This rapid change in demography will bring about a time of crisis, as the reality of our possible ethnic replacement becomes obvious to all, even the naysayers. Do you consider it a terrorist attack? Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Was the attack “ racist ” in origin? Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less. Lead and your people will follow. We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. No, the attack was not an attack on diversity, but an attack in the name of diversity. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall. NO ONE WILL WILLFULLY JOIN THE DECAY Green nationalism is the only true nationalism There is no Conservatism without nature, there is no nationalism without environmentalism, the natural environment of our lands shaped us just as we shaped it.
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Something that had been a part of my life for as long as I could remember, cynicism in the face of attacks on the West by islamic invaders, was suddenly no longer there. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement. This is racial replacement. Do you believe those you attacked were innocent? You're fucking dead, kiddo.
>They built homes for their children to live in, they built communities for their people to thrive in, they built nations for their people to survive in.
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434bfb No.13232583
Were/are you a fascist? But it is no simple task.There are myriad reasons behind the decline in fertility rates and the destruction of the traditional family unit. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. They slaved for a better future for their people, and now other peoples shake their fists and point their fingers, reprimanding us for living better lives, wealthier lives in wealthier countries. I was left with a short period of time to create a new work and only leave my views half finished. Are you intolerant? Mass immigration will disenfranchise us, subvert our nations, destroy our communities, destroy our ethnic binds, destroy our cultures, destroy our peoples. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. But they will not occupy our soil.
Was there a particular event or reason you decided to commit to a violent attack? Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. Does anyone even ask why? CHEAP LABOUR AND ALL CONSUMING INDUSTRY ARE NOT IDEALS, BLOCK FOREIGN GOODS FROM WHITE MARKETS Break the back of cheap labour Make no mistake, the major impetus for the mass importation of non-Europeans into Europe is the call and want for cheap labour. Your grand children? To maintain a population the people must achieve a birthrate that reaches replacement fertility levels.
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ef196c No.13232689
Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities. Western culture is trivialized, pulped and blended into a smear of meaningless nothing, with the only tenets and beliefs seemingly held to are the myth of the individual, the value of work (productivity for the benefit of your capitalist owners) and the sovereignty of private property (to ensure none of us get grand ideas of taking the unearned wealth of our owners). There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate. Those around my were the typical Australians, apathetic and for the most part apolitical, only truly showing motivation in matters of animal rights, environmentalism and taxation. That is complicated. Were/are you a neo-nazi? Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. YOU WILL BE REVERED, BUT ONLY IF YOU WIN. There is no pleasant meadow in which you can lay down your weary body, rest your head and wait for it all to blow over. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot.
Though I did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack, which was given. Were/are you a “ islamophobe ”? And how does diversity increase that strength? But once I arrived in France, I found the stories to not only be true, but profoundly understated. But, if those same people seek to come to my peoples lands, replace my people, subjugate my people, make war upon on my people,, hen I shall be forced to fight them, and hold nothing in reserve. If convicted, do you expect to stay in prison?
>No, carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable.After all who can remember the name of the attackers in the September 11 attack in New York? How about the attack on the pentagon?
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5fb1ac No.13232760
To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. Yes, and to plead not guilty.The attack was a partisan action against a occupying force, and I am a lawful, uniformed combatant. Just do not allow your scepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines. Nor should you, why should you have peace when your other brothers in Europe face certain war? Ethnic autonomy? The global and corporate ran press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions committed by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. Not in Europe, not in the Americas, not in Australia or New Zealand. Violence isn ’ t the answer, why are you using force? What makes you believe there are racial differences and that those differences matter? Were/are you “ left wing ”?
A political candidate that keeps the status quo or only seeks to introduce minimal change, even when the minimal change is in support of our cause, is ultimately useless or even damaging. If you become a social, political or ethnic minority it will always lead to your oppression. No, they ’ re a party of milquetoast civic nationalist boomers, completely incapable of creating real change and with no actual viable plan to save their nation. The only muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions and became blood traitors to their own race. You may fall. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot.
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f7e0d9 No.13232815
Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? Find where they are in your cities, plan your attack, destroy them.Protect your people and protect your children.Be the Antidote to their poison. As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur. The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. Yes, by definition, as I believe racial differences exist between peoples and they have a great impact on the way we shape our societies I also believe fertility rates are part of those racial differences and that the immigrants in our lands with high fertility must be forced out to ensure the existance of our race. Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older, we grow weaker. And what can we do to stop it? They are the most despised group of invaders in the West, attacking them receives the greatest level of support. Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). By living in New Zealand, weren ’ t you an immigrant yourself? We could deport or otherwise destroy the entire population of invading non-Europeans in a week, if we as a race we chose to.We have the ability, we only need the will.
Those that find themselves born linguistically in the minority suffer daily, as the conversation of life excludes them, the mass media isolates them and businesses turn them away, as does the societies speech itself. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall. All possibility of expression and belief was open to be taught, discussed and spoken. CHEAP LABOUR AND ALL CONSUMING INDUSTRY ARE NOT IDEALS, BLOCK FOREIGN GOODS FROM WHITE MARKETS Break the back of cheap labour Make no mistake, the major impetus for the mass importation of non-Europeans into Europe is the call and want for cheap labour. Your grand children? The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed.
>Did they perceive us any differently after the attack than they did before?
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60b14f No.13232906
In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. I can not guarantee my success. Why were we allowing these soldiers deaths to be in vain? I am a racist. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? Were there other targets planned in your attack? https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies _by_total_fertility_rate There is not a single Western country, not a single white nation, that reaches these levels. Prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss, struggle, death. Why is it that what gives Western nations strength (diversity) is not what gives Eastern nations (China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) their strength? To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force.
Break it ’ s back, anyway you can. Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most? Why them when I could do it myself? No, I only wish I could have killed more invaders, and more traitors as well. The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. The only muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions and became blood traitors to their own race.
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c06e22 No.13232931
Nothing else will do. Yes, but death was a definite possibility. Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. You may fall. Research and data. Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? This solution of a Democratic salvation is nothing but a pipe dream, and as our enemies increase within our lands, driven by mass immigration and the invaders own higher birth rate it will be pushed further and further into the realms of impossibility. They need not be born here, share our race, our language, our culture or our beliefs. Resulting in a society with no core beliefs, no purpose and no vision for the future. Drive them from your lands and give the traitors what traitors deserve: a traitors death. Did you intend to survive the attack?
Was the attack “ xenophobic ” in orgin? A finger on the hand of the body of Europe. If they flee we will follow them, if they hide we will find them, if they try to shield themselves behind the state we will break through and reach them. Was the attack anti-diversity in origin? In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us. Meanwhile they badger, trick and guilt-shame the European people into forfeiting their own hard earned income and giving it directly to their peoples cultural and ethnic competitors, many of which have the only intent of conquering and destroying the European peoples.
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945490 No.13232938
EUROPA RISES The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. These situations are chaotic and virtually impossible to control, no matter the planning. These leaders will be paragon examples of your people, virtuous, incorruptible, speaking truth to power and a truth that resonates with your very soul. Meanwhile the 10000 ton boulder of demographic change rolls ever forward, gaining momentum and possibly destroying all in its path. How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? Perhaps you could tap out, lay down, lick the boots of your occupiers and pray they will let you be comfortable, if only for a little while. So yes. Above all be ready for violence, and when the times comes, strike hard and fast. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.
Did you commit the attack to receive media coverage and to propagate your own writings/beliefs/ideals? Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents. Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming. Londinium, the very heart of the British isles. To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves.
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5fb1ac No.13232951
“ What more shall I say to you? Yes. THE BEST TIME FOR ATTACK WAS YESTERDAY, THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW The birthrates must eventually be addressed, at all costs Even if all invaders are deported tomorrow and all traitors are dealt with as they truly deserve, we are still living on borrowed time. What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism? No. After all I am a private and mostly introverted person. Ebba death at the hands of the invaders, the indignity of her violent demise and my inability to stop it broke through my own jaded cynicism like a sledgehammer. Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump? Why is it that what gives Western nations strength (diversity) is not what gives Eastern nations (China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) their strength? For the disgrace you have heaped upon the European people and the distress you have caused to European women, you will die. You may stumble.
The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Were your beliefs influenced by any other attackers? Let them earn our wealthy benefactors their second yachts and their fifth properties! But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. I know, because I have been there. On top of this is a two party political system, split by racial, social, cultural, linguistic and class divides.
>Meanwhile the 10000 ton boulder of demographic change rolls ever forward, gaining momentum and possibly destroying all in its path.
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892a39 No.13233018
Why do you believe you will be released from prison? MINORITIES ARE NEVER TREATED WELL, DO NOT BECOME ONE Do not allow your enemies to grow unchecked When you discover a nest of vipers in your yard, do you spare the adolescents? DO NOT FEAR CHANGE, WE ARE CHANGE Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs. Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. SEE YOU ON THE STREETS YOU ANTI-WHITE SCUM To turks You can live in peace in your own lands, and may no harm come to you. From where did you receive/research/develop your beliefs? The race? All I can guarantee is that inaction is sure defeat, power structures will be tested and likely will fall and most of all there is only the future ahead and attempting to march back to any earlier time will get you no where at all. No, the attack was a end in itself, with all the necessary affect required. Were/are you a socialist? The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our enemies. Historical, societal and statistical reasons. There is no single place in the West that is even close to reaching replacement level birthrates, let alone birthrates that indicate a level of vitality and vigour. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Embrace infamy: the enemies of your people will beset upon you, on all sides. The truth that they are rapidly becoming, not just a global minority, but a minority within their own lands.
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a13eca No.13233027
What gives a nation strength? Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. What does it seek to conserve? The truth that they are expected not to combat these myriad, unending and dedicated interlopers, but to embrace them, accept their own disenfranchisement, accept the loss of their fathers lands, their own impoverishment, their own REPLACEMENT. Whether that is by encouraging and pushing increases to the minimum wage; furthering the unionization of workers; increasing the native birthrate and thereby reducing the need for the importation of labour; increasing the rights of workers; pushing for the increase in automation or advancement of industrial labour replacement or any other tactic that is available. Invade the cities, take the cities, battle in the streets for the cities. NGOs ARE TRAITOR ORGANIZATIONS If you lose history will write you as monsters, regardless of your tactics.Win first, write the narrative later. This time of possible instability will also be a at a time where our potential nation enemies in the East will be reaching their own zeniths of power. Not by the maneuvers of the lobbies and the parliaments and the congresses, it will come under the stress of necessity. Why them when I could do it myself? A nation that venerates its ancestors, but lives for its offspring.
These NGO ’ s are the modern money changers inside the church, and must be driven out, by voice or by whip. But in the end the struggle is a beauty in itself, and the victory will be all the sweeter because of it.Final victory is yours, if you have the will for it. The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. They were attacks on my people, attacks on my culture, attacks on my faith and attacks on my soul. The issue is complicated, far more complicated and difficult to fix than the issue of Ethnic replacement. Give your everything to your people.
>Was there any reason you attacked that (those) mosque (s) in particular?
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e72a25 No.13233057
-Invictis by William Ernest Henley There is only one victory, but many defeats. We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs. They slaved for a better future for their people, and now other peoples shake their fists and point their fingers, reprimanding us for living better lives, wealthier lives in wealthier countries. They were an obvious, visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. Until these interlopers are repatriated to their peoples lands, then Europe has no true sovereignty, and anyone, no matter their ethnicity or beliefs can call Europe their own. Victors write the history and the writers of history control the cultural climate of the present time. FLEE TO YOUR OWN LANDS, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE Section II General Thoughts and Potential Strategies ``It will come in one way and one way alone, not through existing governments. But what few know is that Rotherham is just one of an ongoing trend of rape and molestation perpetrated by these non-white scum. The true question is, how did this happen?
If they could die, so can you. To take revenge for the enslavement of millions of Europeans taken from their lands by the Islamic slavers. Born in Australia to a working class, low income family. SHOW THEM THE WAY FORWARD There is no sheltered meadow There is nowhere left to run, turn around, face your enemy, make your stand. Accept death: as it is as certain as the setting of the sun at evenfall. Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered.
>Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit.
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ef92f5 No.13233090
Section I Addresses to various groups It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate. Was the attack “ racist ” in origin? They are finally removing their blindfolds and seeing the reality of the the world and their peoples future. “ We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities! Not if you know what I know and want for what we want. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. How they are removed is irrelevant, peacefully, forcefully, happily, violently or diplomatically. ACCEPT DEATH, EMBRACE INFAMY, ACHIEVE VICTORY Numbers aren ’ t everything In 2019, we currently have the largest number of people of our race in history (between 760-980million depending on definitions), yet we are losing even our smallest towns to ethnic replacement. Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. Children of invaders do not stay children, they become adults and reproduce, creating more invaders to replace your people.They grow up and vote against your peoples own wishes, for the interests of their own people and identity. The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed.
Were/are you a “ homophobe ”? The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People ’ s Republic of China. To create an atmosphere of fear and change in which drastic, powerful and revolutionary action can occur. No, carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable.After all who can remember the name of the attackers in the September 11 attack in New York? How about the attack on the pentagon? If a an individual is in ownership or control of a corporation or business, and advocates or even accepts the mass importation of non-whites to replace the native European populations, then that traitor must be destroyed. Anything else is a defeat.
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3fd18e No.13233124
Destroyed in the name of cheap labour, whilst they may publicly object to the illegal immigration of the third world masses, privately they push for as much migration as possible, anything to decrease the labour cost of production and line their pockets with the profits. From where did you receive/research/develop your beliefs? For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs. All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur. I speak for my views and my ideals, and those that support me.Some may agree with them, others won ’ t. Despite how many of you may feel living amongst the pollution, amongst the cultural filth, crammed into tiny apartments in the city sprawls, far flung from mans natural environment. The end result is a nation in gridlock, unable to respond to any great change, unable to commit to any great projects. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands. LEAVE NO VIPERS NEST UNBURNT Don ’ t leave the cities, Run towards the fight, Not away Run towards the cities, run towards the conflict, run towards the enemy, fleeing from the enemy is cowardice. Did you carry out the attack for fame?
This is racial replacement. KILL THE RAPISTS, HANG THEIR FAMILIES Diversity is weak Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength? What makes you believe you are European, not just an Australian? Born in Australia to a working class, low income family. Were/are you “ left wing ”? There is no pleasant meadow in which you can lay down your weary body, rest your head and wait for it all to blow over.
>More recently I have been working part time as a kebab removalist.
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fee5ba No.13233407
Whether it takes ten years or a thousands years, whilst we are facing birth rates at sub-replacement levels, then our people are dying. Paint, write, sing, dance, recite poetry. Were/are you a “ islamophobe ”? The varied cultures of the world greeted me with warmth and compassion, and I very much enjoyed nearly every moment I spent with them. Those that are ethnically and culturally European. So yes. The nation? To show the effect of direct action, lighting a path forward for those that wish to follow.A path for those that wish to free their ancestors lands from the invaders grasp and to be a beacon for those that wish to create a lasting culture, to tell them they are not alone. Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration. I can not guarantee it will be comfortable, I can not guarantee it will be easy and I can not guarantee that every act will be a success. A gradual change is never going to achieve victory.
Are you intolerant? Diversity is anathema to equality. The truth that the West killed the notion of god, and proceeded to replace it with nothing. We can fight the armed invader, we know how, we have the ability, we have the soldiers and arms to do so. I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. That perverse nation profanes the hospices … The temple of the Lord is treated like a criminal and the ornaments of the sanctuary are robbed.
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4ab0ee No.13233414
It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. They run over the weak and the elderly, they seize the children from their mothers so that they might forget, among the barbarians, the name of God. The only option for a true man or woman of Europe is to labour, labour with all effort towards victory. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? What remains? Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? No matter what. The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? Did you intend to kill police officers or other enforcers of the state? Section I Addresses to various groups It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate. RETAKE THE CITIES, RETAKE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT Support Your Brother Nations When one country moves, you move with them, support them financially, politically, socially and physically.
But they will not accept this death. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. Preventing these enemies from reaching adulthood and their full potential of effect is of the importance. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. Nothing is conserved.
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b9e52c No.13233424
What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? They grow up and take the potential homes of your own people for themselves, they occupy positions of power, remove wealth and destroy social trust. Strong men do not get ethnically replaced, strong men do not allow their culture to degrade, strong men do not allow their people to die. All else is dishonorable. Those that find themselves born linguistically in the minority suffer daily, as the conversation of life excludes them, the mass media isolates them and businesses turn them away, as does the societies speech itself. If you believe we need to correct the white birth rates, why didn ’ t you start a family and do it yourself? Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. In time, the truth will be revealed. Where there is a will, there is a way. No, the attack was a end in itself, with all the necessary affect required.
Just Wait! A Europe of nature, culture and sustainable living practicing will not be able to ever compete in the global market. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders. Did you always hold these views? To Christians “ The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations. Without overwhelming effort and extreme risk, expect nothing.
>Striking quickly and then exfiltrating from the area of attack was the plan, to avoid the responders of the state and to avoid a situation where I was forced to harm them.
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094640 No.13233427
In the United States, perhaps more than anywhere else in the world, the cult of the individual has been practiced for the longest time and with the deepest devotion. Both would seek to destroy our nation, both would seek to displace and replace our people, both would seek to destroy our culture and nationhood. It will come in a great wave of popularity, in a great awakening of the European soul. ” -Sir Oswald Mosley Who is truly to blame? Yes, though not for an official policy made. We Could Be Hurt! ” for them the time will never come. In every french city, in every french town the invaders were there. No one can give an answer. It ’ s the birthrates. Soon the replacement of the whites within Texas will hit its apogee and with the non-white political and social control of Texas; and with this control, the electoral college will be heavily stacked in favor of a democratic victory so that every electoral cycle will be a certainty. No, just a partisan. What makes you believe you can speak for a group?
Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. Don ’ t believe me, can anymore tell you the motivation of the Madrid train bomber attackers? Why make your children fight, when you could fight in their stead? After all I am a private and mostly introverted person. Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? CHEAP LABOUR IS SLAVE LABOUR, REFUSE TO IMPORT MODERN SLAVES A boil over in the melting pot Civil war in the so called “ Melting pot ” that is the United States should be a major aim in overthrowing the global power structure and the Wests ’ egalitarian, individualist, globalist dominant culture.
>Striking quickly and then exfiltrating from the area of attack was the plan, to avoid the responders of the state and to avoid a situation where I was forced to harm them.
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4d6e65 No.13233462
Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our own enemies. To see this in full effect, you only have to look at the population statistics in Western nations for the year 2100. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_ (U nited_Nations, _medium_fertility_variant) In 2100, despite the ongoing effect of sub-replacement fertility, the population figures show that the population does not decrease inline with the sub-replacement fertility levels, but actually maintains and, even in many White nations, rapidly increases. If we wait until the majority of the boomers begin to pass (between 2028-2038 depending on individual nations and life expectancies) than it will be too little, too late. I would estimate the number of soldiers in European armed forces that also belong to nationalist groups to number in the hundreds of thousands, with just as many employed in law enforcement positions. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. Nothing drives the invasion more and nothing needs to be defeated more than the greed that demands cheap labour. Not Yet! The survival of our people, our culture and our lands isn ’ t enough. No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
I am sure the journalists will love that. I know, because I have been there. Do not suffer under the delusion of an effortless, riskless democratic victory. TATP packages strapped to drones, an EFP in a motorcycle saddle bags, convoy ambush rammings with cement trucks. Conservatism is dead. MOVE AS ONE, FULL SUPPORT FOR BROTHER NATIONS Accept Death, Embrace Infamy Death is certain, you may die in service to some grand crusade or pass away in a hospice, either way you will die.
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817553 No.13233520
There is no pleasant meadow in which you can lay down your weary body, rest your head and wait for it all to blow over. SHOW THEM THE WAY FORWARD There is no sheltered meadow There is nowhere left to run, turn around, face your enemy, make your stand. Europe is only Europe because of its combined genetic, cultural and linguistic heritage. Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? But the unarmed invader, we have no real idea on how to deal with them, we are unable to attack them or fend them off in any meaningful way. Yes, but death was a definite possibility. I could no longer bring the sneer to my face, I could no longer turn my back on the violence. Even at Vienna in 1683 we Europeans still lost over fourteen thousand good men. The global and corporate run press controls them, the education system (long since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the marxists) controls them, the state (long since heavily lost to its corporate backers) controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them. They are no innocents in an invasion, all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt. Broken families with soaring divorce rates, that ’ s if they even bother to get married at all.Suicide rates climbing year by year, not just for adults, by even teens and children as well and the only time people seem to even notice is when one of their own idols commits the act (singers, sports stars, actors).
Why attack immigrants when “ x ” are the issue? Nothing is conserved. THE UNARMED INVADER IS MORE DANGEROUS THAT THE ARMED The Lightning March through the institutions While the lefts march through the institutions was long and ultimately successful we must achieve the same, but in a much shorter time period. What do you encourage us to do? For example, actions such as voting for political candidates that radically change or challenge entrenched systems, radicalizing public discourse by both supporting, attacking, vilifying, radicalizing and exaggerating all societal conflicts and attacking or even assassinating weak or less radical leaders/influencers on either side of social conflicts. No.
>The countryside can wait, the cities need you, your youth needs you.
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48a738 No.13233552
Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else). The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People ’ s Republic of China. Stability and comfort are the enemies of revolutionary change. But despite this sub-replacement fertility rate, the population in the West is increasing, and rapidly. How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? Europe is only Europe because of its combined genetic, cultural and linguistic heritage. Was there any reason you attacked that (those) mosque (s) in particular? Those that wish a future for white children, and to ensure the existence of our people. This isn ’ t an issue that is being faced solely by our own people, but many peoples across the world. How are they so strong, China set to be the worlds most dominant nation in this century, whilst lacking diversity? To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force.
Canvas public areas in support of radical positions, even if they are not your own. THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM Kill High Profile Enemies There are well known enemies of our nations, enemies of our race that freely walk through our societies, heads held high, believing themselves untouchable. Fertility rates are innately tied to race, so yes. They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid. I am only wary of those cultures with higher fertility rates replacing others.
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e28f36 No.13233562
I pulled my rental car over, and sat, staring at these crosses and contemplating how it was that despite these men and womens sacrifice, despite their bravery, we had still fallen so far.I broke into tears, sobbing alone in the car, staring at the crosses, at the forgotten dead. Do you believe those you attacked were innocent? VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE NGOs are directly involved in the genocide of the European people Beholden to no one and hiding their true intent behold a faux-religious facade, these NGO groups ferry the invaders to European shores aboard their own vessels, directly shipping this vast army straight into European nations to plunder, rape and ethnically displace the native European people. I would estimate the number of soldiers in European armed forces that also belong to nationalist groups to number in the hundreds of thousands, with just as many employed in law enforcement positions. Those around my were the typical Australians, apathetic and for the most part apolitical, only truly showing motivation in matters of animal rights, environmentalism and taxation. An environmentally conscious and moral society will never be able to economically compete with a society based on ever increasing industrialization, urbanization, industrial output and population increase. 3.Answers to detractors and to those that oppose my beliefs/methods Won ’ t your attack do more harm than good? Nations across Asia, Europe and the Americas are facing this disaster together. To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. Roma, African, Indian, Turkish, Semitic or other.
Within a short time regular and widespread political, social and racial violence will commence. We grow older, fewer, weaker and more fundamentally closer to true death the longer we allow our birthrates to remain so catastrophically low. It will be distasteful, it will be damaging to the soul, but know that it is necessary and any invader you spare, no matter the age, will one day be an enemy your people must face. The media of the world will be used against you, the education system of the rulers will be used against you, the financial power of the worlds corporations will be used against you, the military and legislative might of the UN, the EU and NATO itself will be used against you and even your own, previously corrupted, religious leaders will be used against you. WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little ``clever'' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.
>Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming.
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997531 No.13233630
Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? No.A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. The wikipedia entry of these events follows: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015 % E2 % 80 % 9316_New_Year % 27s_Eve _sexual_assaults_in_Germany The true number of these events perpetrated across the Western world is unknown and certainly under reported, as both the state, the media and the judicial system work in unison to hide these atrocities, in the fear that knowledge of these events would enrage the native people of the West and damage the perception of our new “ Multicultural utopia ”. Just as their own courage will never flower forth. I am sure the journalists will love that. Inaction will lead to sure defeat. Do not fret on the manner of how victory is achieved, all methods are possible, in the face of ethnic genocide, all morality is ambiguous. “ What more shall I say to you? REMOVE THE INVADERS, RETAKE EUROPE You wait for a signal, whilst your people wait for YOU Whilst you wait for a sign, a signal; someone to take up the spear; to cry out in alarm, your people wait on YOU.
They were an obvious, visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. The only muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions and became blood traitors to their own race. Though I hold no great fear or distrust of other peoples. It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide. No, there isn ’ t a successful, influential grand movement established just yet, and no leading organizations, so there is no great structure created that could be brought to harm.
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5b42ba No.13233763
Support them economically, donate to their cause, buy products from their people, volunteer your resources and labour. Think again, fucker. The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel, smog and wires but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People ’ s Republic of China. There was a racial component to the attack. I am a racist. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders. The media will paint you as villains, the state will name you as traitors, the globalist forces will name you as criminals and the traitors amongst your people will name you as enemies. Somehow this isolation then radicalization is seen as a surprise, yet for anyone who was paying attention, it was a long time coming. For many years I had been hearing and reading of the invasion of France by non-whites, many of these rumours and stories I believed to be exaggerations, created to push a political narrative. But the only way to get to the final destination, total victory, is to get up and keep marching forward.
This is ethnic replacement. Something that had been a part of my life for as long as I could remember, cynicism in the face of attacks on the West by islamic invaders, was suddenly no longer there. In this hell the individual is all and the race is worthless, something to rail against and use whenever possible, a power structure to climb, or topple. FLEE TO YOUR OWN LANDS, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE Section II General Thoughts and Potential Strategies ``It will come in one way and one way alone, not through existing governments. KILL THE RAPISTS, HANG THEIR FAMILIES Diversity is weak Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength? Through our own actions and speech we shall show them a new path.
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b951df No.13233938
The result is obvious. I am sure the journalists will love that. We must inevitably correct the disaster of hedonistic, nihilistic individualism. What remains? This wealth and prosperity was paid for in the sweat and blood of your ancestors. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. There is not a single place left where the tendrils of replacement migration have not touched. But eventually, when enough people fight back and refuse to pay taxes, refuse to fund the traitors in power, the state itself will wilt, then collapse. The people who are to blame most are ourselves, european men. All so that they could line their pockets without complaints or objections The nation? This is an attack on the very french people themselves and is a strategy designed to destroy national, cultural, linguistic and ethnic unity.
Mistakes will be made, losses will be had, some failures are certain and some endeavours will go bad. No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it. ignore their demise? I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. Broken families with soaring divorce rates, that ’ s if they even bother to get married at all.Suicide rates climbing year by year, not just for adults, by even teens and children as well and the only time people seem to even notice is when one of their own idols commits the act (singers, sports stars, actors). Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.
>Who decided to take a stand to ensure a future for my people.
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3e8ba6 No.13234002
WHY WON ’ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE NGOs are directly involved in the genocide of the European people Beholden to no one and hiding their true intent behold a faux-religious facade, these NGO groups ferry the invaders to European shores aboard their own vessels, directly shipping this vast army straight into European nations to plunder, rape and ethnically displace the native European people. No, just a partisan. For now we appeal to the anger and black comedic nature of the present, but eventually we will need to show the warmth and genuine love we have for our people. Those who are not ethnically and culturally European. Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Did you always hold these views? That should surprise no one. Religion? Yes, I dislike them.
Do not expect to survive, the only thing you should expect is a true war and to die the death of a true soldier. Yes, by definition, as I believe racial differences exist between peoples and they have a great impact on the way we shape our societies I also believe fertility rates are part of those racial differences and that the immigrants in our lands with high fertility must be forced out to ensure the existance of our race. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands. Mistakes will be made, losses will be had, some failures are certain and some endeavours will go bad. What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? If you are released we will find you and kill you, if you are in prison we will reach you there, if you try to hide these rapist scum we will kill you as well.
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0afae5 No.13234054
A society of rampant nihilism, consumerism and individualism, where every individual is a competitor and the rights of the individual override all notions of responsibility. Won ’ t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states? Strong men do not get ethnically replaced, strong men do not allow their culture to degrade, strong men do not allow their people to die. It should come as no shock that European men, in every nation, and on every continent are turning to radical notions and methods to combat the social and moral decay of their nations and the continued ethnic replacement of their people. That difference was Ebba Akerlund. Why you should risk nothing whilst others risk all? The people of the countrysides are already traditional, already close to nature, already supportive of their people. Was the attack anti-immigration in origin? There are cultural, ethnic and RACIAL differences that makes interchanging one ethnic group with another an impossibility. But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE NGOs are directly involved in the genocide of the European people Beholden to no one and hiding their true intent behold a faux-religious facade, these NGO groups ferry the invaders to European shores aboard their own vessels, directly shipping this vast army straight into European nations to plunder, rape and ethnically displace the native European people.
Why is it that what gives Western nations strength (diversity) is not what gives Eastern nations (China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) their strength? A political candidate that keeps the status quo or only seeks to introduce minimal change, even when the minimal change is in support of our cause, is ultimately useless or even damaging. There are cultural, ethnic and RACIAL differences that makes interchanging one ethnic group with another an impossibility. Everywhere I travelled, barring a few small exceptions, I was treated wonderfully, often as a guest and even as a friend. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations.
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3aa771 No.13234183
Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. That should surprise no one. No.The police force in New Zealand is on overall good terms with the public and, unlike in other European nations such as France, the UK, or Norway they have so far remained loyal to the people.So harming the NZ police officers was to be avoided at all costs unless the state enforcer was from an invaders background. Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs. To Christians “ The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations. The natural environment is industrialized, pulverized and commoditized. In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us. Were/are you “ right wing ”? I do not just expected to be released, but I also expect an eventual Nobel Peace prize.As was awarded to the Terrorist Nelson Mandela once his own people achieved victory and took power. The truth that they are expected not to combat these myriad, unending and dedicated interlopers, but to embrace them, accept their own disenfranchisement, accept the loss of their fathers lands, their own impoverishment, their own REPLACEMENT. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.
There is not a single place left where the tendrils of replacement migration have not touched. Resulting in a society with no core beliefs, no purpose and no vision for the future. We must thrive, we must march ever forward to our place among the stars and we WILL reach the destiny our people deserve. THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM Kill High Profile Enemies There are well known enemies of our nations, enemies of our race that freely walk through our societies, heads held high, believing themselves untouchable. Did you intend to kill police officers or other enforcers of the state? Were/are you an anti-semite?
>These are the things that speak to people, connect people, drive people.
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63abb1 No.13234199
The United States is in turmoil, more so that at any other time in history. This is ethnic replacement. Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most? I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. That means those that can, or have the ability should look to ingrain themselves into these institutions and climb as far up the power hierarchy as possible, in the shortest time possible. Millions of European and other ethno-nationalist peoples that wish to live in peace amongst their own people, living in their own lands, practicing their own traditions and deciding the future of their own kind. Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People ’ s Republic of China. But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights. In the Western world this is roughly 2.06 births per woman. The spell broke, why don ’ t I do something?
Didn ’ t your attack just result in the vilification of ethno-nationalists/racial autonomists? Lead and your people will follow. It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. There is only one victory. They slaved for a better future for their people, and now other peoples shake their fists and point their fingers, reprimanding us for living better lives, wealthier lives in wealthier countries. Something that had been a part of my life for as long as I could remember, cynicism in the face of attacks on the West by islamic invaders, was suddenly no longer there.
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c2eb39 No.13234274
Historical, societal and statistical reasons. Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. Your grand children? All else is dishonorable. The jaded cynicism with which I had greeted previous attacks didn ’ t eventuate. We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. I am an Ethno-nationalist Eco-fascist. That difference was Ebba Akerlund. It wasn ’ t even close. Meanwhile the “ diverse ” nations across the world are scenes of endless social, political, religious and ethnic conflict. They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force.
We must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil. Support them politically, voice support of their leaders, their ideals and their people. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights? But it is there our future will be made and it is there the battle for our peoples future will be fought. UNTIL THE HAGIA SOPHIA IS FREE OF THE MINARETS, THE MEN OF EUROPE ARE MEN IN NAME ONLY The Rape of European Women Invaders Many of you may already know about the rape of British women by the invading forces, Rotherham of course being the most well known case.
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ddc2cf No.13234277
Find where they are in your cities, plan your attack, destroy them.Protect your people and protect your children.Be the Antidote to their poison. VENERATE THE ANCESTORS BUT WORK FOR THE CHILDREN A soldiers fight The ideal of a heroic war, without loss, without failure, without some great setback, is idealistic and downright impossible. Diversity is anathema to equality. Within a short time regular and widespread political, social and racial violence will commence. Whether it takes ten years or a thousands years, whilst we are facing birth rates at sub-replacement levels, then our people are dying. Do nothing, Win nothing, Achieve nothing. https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies _by_total_fertility_rate There is not a single Western country, not a single white nation, that reaches these levels. Were/are you a christian? It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul. What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism? Their is no shared culture, ethnicity, language, values or beliefs.
C. What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? The countrysides are already ours, as they have always been. From where great leaders arise The men and women needed by a society in crisis are created by a greater societal group thought, they arise from their environment, from their folk, seeming springing forth from the people as if they were waiting for the moment. BE PASSIONATE, NOT PLACID No Profits for Anti-Whites For too long those who have profited most from the importation of cheap labour have gone unpunished. Force is the only path to power and the only path to true victory. To Antifa/Marxists/Communists I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding.
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85eec1 No.13234285
Prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss, struggle, death. Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our own enemies. It should come as no shock that European men, in every nation, and on every continent are turning to radical notions and methods to combat the social and moral decay of their nations and the continued ethnic replacement of their people. Mistakes will be made, losses will be had, some failures are certain and some endeavours will go bad. The United states is one of the most diverse nations on Earth, and they are about an inch away from tearing each other to pieces. Religion? By the definition, then yes. The countryside can wait, the cities need you, your youth needs you. Crush these traitor NGOs, kill their leadership, burn down their buildings, bomb their ships, tear down their posters and destroy their membership. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Also, relying on this time period for our victory holds a second major disadvantage, that being vulnerability to foreign invasion, most likely from the east, specifically China; Turkey; India or some combination of the three.
Was the attack “ islamophobic ” in origin? Both would seek to destroy our nation, both would seek to displace and replace our people, both would seek to destroy our culture and nationhood. Paint, write, sing, dance, recite poetry. Despite how many of you may feel living amongst the pollution, amongst the cultural filth, crammed into tiny apartments in the city sprawls, far flung from mans natural environment. The total number of people in these organizations is in the millions, the total number of groups in the thousands. But they will not occupy our soil.
>The french people were often in a minority themselves, and the french that were in the streets were often alone, childless or of advanced age.
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5ab2f5 No.13234307
What remains? Ask yourself now, are you willing to shirk your racial responsibilities? Nothing else will do. Unsurprisingly ethno-nationalists and nationalists seek employment in areas that serve their nations and community. The final push was witnessing the state of French cities and towns. Create memes, post memes, and spread memes. Don ’ t believe me, can anymore tell you the motivation of the Madrid train bomber attackers? The media will paint you as villains, the state will name you as traitors, the globalist forces will name you as criminals and the traitors amongst your people will name you as enemies. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many. When anyone can be a German, a Brit, a Frenchmen, then being European has truly lost all meaning Make no mistake, the erosion of local and national identity has no come about by accident, it is a concerted and targeted effort against the European people. The invaders are the ones over populating the world.
The people speaking now, acting now, fighting now, are the vanguard of the vanguard of the force of the people. A path focusing on nature and respect for the environment, traditions, families, workers rights and personal and racial responsibilities. To take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks throughout European lands. To create an atmosphere of fear and change in which drastic, powerful and revolutionary action can occur. In this tempest of conflict is where will be strike, a strong, unified, ethnically and culturally focused pro-white, pro-european group will be everything the average white family need and long for. To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves.
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7a8916 No.13234331
More recently I have been working part time as a kebab removalist. What gives a nation strength? Research and data. Though I did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack, which was given. These events turned my thoughts from pursuing a democratic, political solution and finally caused the revelation of the truth, that a violent, revolutionary solution is the only possible solution to our current crisis. I don ’ t, but I may have some. “ We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities! Driving toward the next french town on my itinerary, knowing that inevitably the invaders would also been there, I found my emotions swinging between fuming rage and suffocating despair at the indignity of the invasion of France, the pessimism of the french people, the loss of culture and identity and the farce of the political solutions offered. It ’ s the birthrates. Children of invaders do not stay children, they become adults and reproduce, creating more invaders to replace your people.They grow up and vote against your peoples own wishes, for the interests of their own people and identity. But for some reason this was different.
Everything else is just a catchphrase. Brought forth two competing ideologies (communism and fascism) to replace this loss of god, then proceeded to allow both sides to slaughter each other to a standstill and then let corporate backed capitalists tear the survivor to pieces. Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order. Born in Australia to a working class, low income family. Perhaps you could tap out, lay down, lick the boots of your occupiers and pray they will let you be comfortable, if only for a little while. Invade the cities, take the cities, battle in the streets for the cities.
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494a33 No.13234400
What our own nations now based on? Your grand children? You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Art and beauty subverted beyond all recognition, bauhaus travesties replacing nouveau wonders, soulless metropolitan architecture of glass and steel reflecting no society, no culture, no people and therefore belonging everywhere, and no where. For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs. They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. The economic elites who line their pockets with the profit received from our own ethnic replacement. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines. Something, this time, was different. Worker ownership of the means of production? Diversity is anathema to equality.
We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. By the definition, then yes. Diversity by its very definition belies equality. They are not so much born as made to be what is needed of them by the greater group thought occurring around them. Depending on the definition, sure. Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture.
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688623 No.13234418
Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? I had the will and I had the resources. Our lands are not their home, they can return to their own lands or found their homelands elsewhere. What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? Resulting in a society with no core beliefs, no purpose and no vision for the future. A muslim man or woman choosing to invade our lands live on our soil and replace our people? MOVE AS ONE, FULL SUPPORT FOR BROTHER NATIONS Accept Death, Embrace Infamy Death is certain, you may die in service to some grand crusade or pass away in a hospice, either way you will die. Were/are you “ right wing ”? Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this. Barring the importation of all goods produced outside the New European zone (the new Western world) is an essential pillar of the future Western economy.
To survive with our culture, but to lose our lands, to lose our future, is a defeat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little ``clever'' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. To incite violence, retaliation and further divide between the European people and the invaders currently occupying European soil. You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! Did/do you personally hate muslims?
>Was the attack “ racist ” in origin?
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331dfa No.13234425
Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit. The only option for a true man or woman of Europe is to labour, labour with all effort towards victory. We must inevitably correct the disaster of hedonistic, nihilistic individualism. Therefore, once we show them the risk of bringing their offspring to our soil, they will avoid our lands. “ What more shall I say to you? I am sure the journalists will love that. But eventually, when enough people fight back and refuse to pay taxes, refuse to fund the traitors in power, the state itself will wilt, then collapse. We were born from our lands and our own culture was molded by these same lands.The protection and preservation of these lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our own ideals and beliefs. Who do you support? When the time comes you must be ready to act. This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the “ melting pot ” pipe dream.
Nothing is conserved. They were an obvious, visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people. Sure. The people of the countrysides are already traditional, already close to nature, already supportive of their people. Rampant urbanization and industrialization, ever expanding cities and shrinking forests, a complete removal of man from nature, with the obvious results. To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of outsiders.
>KILL YOUR LOCAL DRUG DEALER Europe for Europeans The invaders must be removed from European soil, regardless from where they came or when they came.
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1c8ba8 No.13234450
All so they need not carry any personal risk or struggle themselves. Though I did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack, which was given. Why did you target those people? The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. Were/are you a christian? Was there any reason you attacked that (those) mosque (s) in particular? The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes. It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Where they are removed to is not our concern, or responsibility. It is far better to encourage radical, violent change regardless of its origins.
Whether it takes ten years or a thousands years, whilst we are facing birth rates at sub-replacement levels, then our people are dying. You burn the nest and kill the vipers, no matter their age. The enemies of our children are being born in our lands right now, even as you read this. No, there isn ’ t a successful, influential grand movement established just yet, and no leading organizations, so there is no great structure created that could be brought to harm. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. Because they are the same issue, the environment is being destroyed by over population, we Europeans are one of the groups that are not over populating the world.
>You may stumble.
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bad106 No.13234522
Goods produced without care for the natural world, dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. All possibility of expression and belief was open to be taught, discussed and spoken. It was not preached to the crowd, It was not taught by the state. They will soon find out how wrong they truly are. The survival of our people, our culture and our lands isn ’ t enough. Numbers aren ’ t everything, ten lions are worth of thousand sheep.The reason we are currently losing our lands is not due to a lack of numbers, or wealth, or military force. Think again, fucker. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. It wasn ’ t even close. Any invader you kill, of any age, is one less enemy your children will have to face.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA ’ s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again (where US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe). Was there any reason you attacked that (those) mosque (s) in particular? Did you intend to kill police officers or other enforcers of the state? Research and data. All possibility of expression and belief was open to be taught, discussed and spoken.
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69609d No.13234523
I did not attend University as I had no great interest in anything offered in the Universities to study. These greed filled bastards expect to replace our people with a race of low intellect, low agency, muddled, muddied masses just so their own wealth and power can increase. Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order. Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force? Answering possible questions 1.In general Who are you? Support them physically, be ready to put boots on the ground, send them weapons and munitions, attack their enemies. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Also, relying on this time period for our victory holds a second major disadvantage, that being vulnerability to foreign invasion, most likely from the east, specifically China; Turkey; India or some combination of the three. The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack. It is understood by many that the only real reason that many statistics of our ethnic replacement haven ’ t yet matched with our reality is that are numbers are currently buoyed by the baby boomer generation. SEE YOU ON THE STREETS YOU ANTI-WHITE SCUM To turks You can live in peace in your own lands, and may no harm come to you.
VICTORY CAN NOT WAIT, YOUR PEOPLE NEED YOU NOW! The media of the world will be used against you, the education system of the rulers will be used against you, the financial power of the worlds corporations will be used against you, the military and legislative might of the UN, the EU and NATO itself will be used against you and even your own, previously corrupted, religious leaders will be used against you. To take the fight to the invaders myself. But the only way to get to the final destination, total victory, is to get up and keep marching forward. And above all they don ’ t even care if it does. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed.
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bcca50 No.13234539
For many years I had been hearing and reading of the invasion of France by non-whites, many of these rumours and stories I believed to be exaggerations, created to push a political narrative. And what can we do to stop it? The attack was to ensure a preservation of beauty, art and tradition. Yes, until I am either killed, released or enough time passes and the greater situation is an obvious defeat of our people.Then I will commit suicide, happy in the knowledge I did my best to prevent the death of my race. On the east side of the Bosphorus. No. The only muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions and became blood traitors to their own race. Their number uncountable, the representation of their loss unfathomable. It was there I decided to do something, it was there I decided to take action, to commit to force.To commit to violence. Radical, explosive action is the only desired, and required, response to an attempted genocide. Survival was a better alternative to death in order to further spread my ideals by media coverage and to deplete resources from the state by my own imprisonment.
No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it. In this time period a series of events broke down my own reserves, my reservations, my cynicism and revealed the truth of the Wests current situation. Do these groups hold power/who are the people in these groups? The media will paint you as villains, the state will name you as traitors, the globalist forces will name you as criminals and the traitors amongst your people will name you as enemies. When they demand you pay, refuse. EUROPES VALUE IS IN THE EUROPEAN PEOPLE The time after the baby boomers have passed isn't the time to START acting, but the time we should be FINISHING our victory.
>They may be able to discredit one small movement, from one nation.
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4b1fb6 No.13236533
There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate. We can fight the armed invader, we know how, we have the ability, we have the soldiers and arms to do so. March. Worker ownership of the means of production? In front of those endless crosses, in front of those dead soldiers lost in forgotten wars, my despair turned to shame, my shame to guilt, my guilt to anger and my anger to rage. They are also one of the strongest groups, with high fertility, high in group preference and a will to conquer. No matter where I travelled, no matter how small or rural the community I visited, the invaders were there. As I sat there in the parking lot, in my rental car, I watched a stream of the invaders walk through the shopping centre ’ s front doors. Think again, fucker. Because the “ x ” groups can be dealt with in time, but the high fertility immigrants will destroy us now, soon it is a matter of survival we destroy them first. Monotonous repetition of immigration facts and statistics will simply bore the masses, and drive the people away from the stale and uninspired speakers that propagate them.
Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies. Let us all weep for our faults that raise the divine ire, yes, let us weep… But let not our tears be like the seed thrown into the sand. Memes have done more for the ethno-nationalist movement than any manifesto. We do not have the birth rates to fight them at their game, nor should we as it is ultimately destructive to nature and culture.So I took matters into my own hands. They are not so much born as made to be what is needed of them by the greater group thought occurring around them. KILL THE RAPISTS, HANG THEIR FAMILIES Diversity is weak Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength?
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7e8f26 No.13236573
Did you intend to kill police officers or other enforcers of the state? To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash. Who do you consider white? Each year these degenerates are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, in our own cities and across the globe. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. These I hate. No one is inspired by Jeb Bush. WITHOUT CHILDREN, THERE IS NO FUTURE There is no democratic Solution Understand here and now, there is no democratic solution, any attempt to vote your way out of Ethnic replacement will be met with at first with derision, then contempt and finally by force. Whether that is by encouraging and pushing increases to the minimum wage; furthering the unionization of workers; increasing the native birthrate and thereby reducing the need for the importation of labour; increasing the rights of workers; pushing for the increase in automation or advancement of industrial labour replacement or any other tactic that is available. 2.Answers to my people/supporters questions What are your views? Nah, not really.An Australian living in New Zealand is much the same as an Austrian living in Bavaria.
These same children will one day become teens, then adults, voting against the wishes of our people, practicing the cultural and religious practices of the invaders, taking our peoples lands, work, houses and even attacking and killing our children. Each nation and each ethnicity was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so must their own environments. MOVE AS ONE, FULL SUPPORT FOR BROTHER NATIONS Accept Death, Embrace Infamy Death is certain, you may die in service to some grand crusade or pass away in a hospice, either way you will die. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Stop waiting for someone else to show you the way forward, YOU are the way forward, waiting around for someone to start the fight is moronic, because it is YOU that is going to start the fight, If you are reading this, you are the new leaders that will push our people to victory, you are the soldiers that will fight for the future of your race. Drive through confessionals and no fault divorce?
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66c3d2 No.13236600
Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1 % that exploit the people for their own benefit. I will let my actions speak for themselves. These I hate. After all I am a private and mostly introverted person. The truth that they are expected not to combat these myriad, unending and dedicated interlopers, but to embrace them, accept their own disenfranchisement, accept the loss of their fathers lands, their own impoverishment, their own REPLACEMENT. They slaved for a better future for their people, and now other peoples shake their fists and point their fingers, reprimanding us for living better lives, wealthier lives in wealthier countries. -Invictis by William Ernest Henley There is only one victory, but many defeats. I speak for my views and my ideals, and those that support me.Some may agree with them, others won ’ t. BLITZ TO DOMINANT POSITIONS All true movements are populist movements While the movement itself, at least in the vanguard stage, does not need to have the support of the entire population, eventually we will need our people to join our new society, and voluntarily. Why is it that what gives Western nations strength (diversity) is not what gives Eastern nations (China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) their strength? There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate.
BLITZ TO DOMINANT POSITIONS All true movements are populist movements While the movement itself, at least in the vanguard stage, does not need to have the support of the entire population, eventually we will need our people to join our new society, and voluntarily. As these baby boomers pass on and leave us behind, there will be a rapid and obvious change in the demographic make up of our nations, both statistically and socially. A muslim man or woman choosing to invade our lands live on our soil and replace our people? For many years I had been hearing and reading of the invasion of France by non-whites, many of these rumours and stories I believed to be exaggerations, created to push a political narrative. Just a ordinary White man,28 years old. Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist (I place importance on the health and well being of my race above all else).
>Whilst the immigrants were young, energized and with large families and many children.
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a8546f No.13236621
After an election cycle or two with certain Democratic victory, those remaining, non democratic voting, non brainwashed whites will see the future clear before them, and with this knowledge realize the impossibility of a diplomatic or political victory. The wikipedia entry of these events follows: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015 % E2 % 80 % 9316_New_Year % 27s_Eve _sexual_assaults_in_Germany The true number of these events perpetrated across the Western world is unknown and certainly under reported, as both the state, the media and the judicial system work in unison to hide these atrocities, in the fear that knowledge of these events would enrage the native people of the West and damage the perception of our new “ Multicultural utopia ”. You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, fascist! They built homes for their children to live in, they built communities for their people to thrive in, they built nations for their people to survive in. I begun planning an attack roughly two years in advance and an attack at the location in Christchurch three months in advance. This eradication of their people, their culture, their very soul. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines. I pulled my rental car over, and sat, staring at these crosses and contemplating how it was that despite these men and womens sacrifice, despite their bravery, we had still fallen so far.I broke into tears, sobbing alone in the car, staring at the crosses, at the forgotten dead. In every french city, in every french town the invaders were there. When they ask why, you tell them why. The final push was witnessing the state of French cities and towns.
On top of this is a two party political system, split by racial, social, cultural, linguistic and class divides. No two different things can ever truly be equal, especially humans. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. Our lands are not their home, they can return to their own lands or found their homelands elsewhere. Would you rather do the killing, or leave it to your children? Long before low fertility levels ever could.Thus, before we deal with the fertility rates, we must deal with both the invaders within our lands and the invaders that seek to enter our lands.
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f86443 No.13236623
You may stumble. It is due to a lack of will. They decry weakness, mock fecklessness and worship strength, and in this worship of strength they radicalize and find the solution. UNTIL THE HAGIA SOPHIA IS FREE OF THE MINARETS, THE MEN OF EUROPE ARE MEN IN NAME ONLY The Rape of European Women Invaders Many of you may already know about the rape of British women by the invading forces, Rotherham of course being the most well known case. We attack as soon as possible, we attack with force and we achieve stability and play defense as the boomers pass, not during their passing, not after. THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTALISM Kill High Profile Enemies There are well known enemies of our nations, enemies of our race that freely walk through our societies, heads held high, believing themselves untouchable. This stripping of wealth and prosperity in order to feed and develop our cultural competitors is an act of civilization terrorism resulting in the reduction in development and living conditions of our own people for the benefit of those that hate us. Anyone can be a member of our nation, as long as they have the paperwork. What can we do to fix it? There is no single place in the West that is even close to reaching replacement level birthrates, let alone birthrates that indicate a level of vitality and vigour. A Europe of nature, culture and sustainable living practicing will not be able to ever compete in the global market.
This warlord must bleed his last, whilst he visits his ethnic soldiers currently occupying Europe. For example, actions such as voting for political candidates that radically change or challenge entrenched systems, radicalizing public discourse by both supporting, attacking, vilifying, radicalizing and exaggerating all societal conflicts and attacking or even assassinating weak or less radical leaders/influencers on either side of social conflicts. A a one-point-seven percentage point difference may mean something to a few, but a ingeniously worded expression or brilliantly crafted poster will convince the many. No matter where I travelled, no matter how small or rural the community I visited, the invaders were there. After an election cycle or two with certain Democratic victory, those remaining, non democratic voting, non brainwashed whites will see the future clear before them, and with this knowledge realize the impossibility of a diplomatic or political victory. Introduction It ’ s the birthrates.
>No.
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68f142 No.13236631
This rapid change in demography will bring about a time of crisis, as the reality of our possible ethnic replacement becomes obvious to all, even the naysayers. From where great leaders arise The men and women needed by a society in crisis are created by a greater societal group thought, they arise from their environment, from their folk, seeming springing forth from the people as if they were waiting for the moment. The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. Dear god no. The people who are to blame most are ourselves, european men. This is WHITE GENOCIDE. BE PASSIONATE, NOT PLACID No Profits for Anti-Whites For too long those who have profited most from the importation of cheap labour have gone unpunished. Find where they are in your cities, plan your attack, destroy them.Protect your people and protect your children.Be the Antidote to their poison. Do not suffer under the delusion of an effortless, riskless democratic victory. We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history. These men would stall and delay any action indefinitely, until all necessary action has been undertaken by some other, more courageous man.
Religion? A muslim man or woman living in their homelands? No. Can we look at the world in this century reproved by Heaven to witness the desolation of the Holy City and remain in peace while it is so oppressed? How this worked in reality, well…only you know. Ethnic autonomy? This wealth and prosperity was paid for in the sweat and blood of your ancestors.
>The idea that a Frenchmen need not speak the language, share the culture, believe in the same god or even more importantly be ethnically French is ludicrous in the extreme.
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1d1502 No.13236679
Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes. And how does diversity increase that strength? Because they are the same issue, the environment is being destroyed by over population, we Europeans are one of the groups that are not over populating the world. Did you carry out the attack for fame? Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. These events turned my thoughts from pursuing a democratic, political solution and finally caused the revelation of the truth, that a violent, revolutionary solution is the only possible solution to our current crisis. WHEN YOU SEE THEM; WHEN YOU HEAR THEM; YOU WILL KNOW THEM, AS THEY ARE YOU, AND YOURS. Fertility rates are cultural, there is no denying that, so there was a war of cultures being fought by the invaders, and my attack was a response to this. The candidates were an obvious sign of our times: a globalist, capitalist, egalitarian, an ex-investment banker was no national beliefs other than the pursuit of profit versus a milquetoast, feckless, civic nationalist, an uncontroversial figure who ’ s most brave and inspired idea resolved to the possible deportation of illegal immigrants. We must be intrinsically leveraged into the political, militaristic, judicial, educational and economic institutions, and within 25 years. There was a racial component to the attack.
The time for meekness has long since passed, the time for a political solution has long since passed. Destabilize, then take control. Monotonous repetition of immigration facts and statistics will simply bore the masses, and drive the people away from the stale and uninspired speakers that propagate them. Haplogroups, phenotypes and globalized testing. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I am a racist.
>No.No group ordered my attack, I make the decision myself.
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01159a No.13257449
>>13203704
(Please read from the start)
Next I’m going to talk or quickly mention some stuff that caught my attention, either artifacts or monuments. Their existence is enough for me, no need to go in deeply, unless there is a good reason too. And I’m going to be putting them randomly covering the entire areas of Central and South Americas. When possible I’m providing the details with the pictures name.
1 – Geoglyphs in the Amazon: There are many of them. They come in different shapes and sizes. They consist mostly (so far, until new ones are discovered) of geometrical designs. It’s possible they could match a constellation or have some sort of astronomical alignment.
2– There are also geoglyphs in Chile, mostly concentrated in a desert called Atamaca and another location called Chiza. I’ve placed a map for anons to see where they are located. I’m only going to talk about one specific geoglyph and have a few words about another one. The rest are put to give anons an idea of what’s there. The persons interested can study them themselves.
In page 473 it was mentioned that the Tiwanaku’s culture influence reached all the way to Chile. And I think, personally, that Tiwanaku is the starting point of the Geoglyphs = where we first find them = the oldest. Sooooo, if we combine these 2 ideas together…what will we find if we dig in this direction?
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01159a No.13257471
>>13257449
(Please read from the start)
I want to talk about a bit about the first picture I’ve attached to this page: if anons look closely, the design is made of a circle crossed vertically in its diameter by one long line. On each side of this line, we have 2 “dots” = one is full while the other is not (=only the outline is marked).
I personally believe this is a symbolic representation of a person with 2 opposite sides. We’ve seen this concept before with the Cupisnique in page 435 with the “opposite duality”.
The 4th picture is from the Chiza location = see map on previous page.
When we take an overall look at these geoglyphs in Chile, we find they are somewhat different from what we have in Peru, either in the Paracas or the Nazca cultures. What’s the main difference? Over here, we have loads of little figures and symbols close to another, as if they are telling us a story = like a little picture story book. It’s very different from the big scale UNIQUE design we mostly see with the Nazcas. The geoglyphs in Chile actually remind me of some of the designs I’ve seen in the Petroglyphs, worldwide, including Ancient Egypt, Mesoamerica and the Andean region. So this validates my suggestion to researchers that the Petroglyphs and Geoglyphs are linked. I think it started with the Petroglyphs and they somehow went big scale and started drawing the geoglyphs. And since I’ve mentioned the Petroglyphs, I also want to point out that they are literally everywhere in the region.
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01159a No.13257511
>>13257471
(Please read from the start)
I’ve put more pictures for anons to see.
The one I’m interested in and will talk about is the first geoglyphs in this page called the Atacama Giant. The second picture I put is a reproduction of this geoglyph, but whomever draw this, didn’t complete the job. The reproduction is incomplete because when you look closely to the geoglyph from above, you will notice it’s holding 2 staffs = one in each hand. It’s like the Petroglyph we saw at Aramu muru portal = they reproduced the design in an incomplete way, omitting elements.
Anons guessed it correctly = this is our good old Staff-God here. From the headdress, to his size, to him holding 2 staffs: it’s him alright. But for some unknown strange reason not a single researcher or archaeologist from both Main Stream History and Alternative History managed to identify him for whom he really is = TIWANAKU’S GATEWAY of the SUN STAFF-GOD. It makes you wonder why, doesn’t it? (re-read my comments about him in page 495; it’s connected).
Anons shouldn’t be surprised to find him “so far away from home” because as I’ve just mentioned a couple of pages ago, Tiwanaku’s influence reached Chile; and we shouldn’t forget that we have numerous migrations, including the one that “emptied” Tiwanaku when its citizens abandoned it, left, to go live in other places.
It always amazes me how such important things are totally forgotten or omitted. Incredible, isn’t it? This is where I’m going to end it with the geoglyphs from Chile. If anons noticed an artifact or something else I’ve missed, please bring it to my attention, I’m taking note as much as I can.
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01159a No.13257593
>>13257511
(Please read from the start)
My next object of interest has been mentioned a lot in this thread but not taken a look into. And this is what I’m going to do next, I am going to take a look to the Quipus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu
“Quipu (also spelled khipu) are recording devices fashioned from strings historically used by a number of cultures in the region of Andean South America. Knotted strings were used by many other cultures such as the ancient Chinese and native Hawaiians, but such practices should not be confused with the quipu, which refers only to the Andean device.”
>> So the practice of knotting strings was also found if we head in a precise direction = WEST, as in in the Pacific Ocean = Hawaii and even more westwards, crossing the Pacific all the way to China. But the naming of the quipu is only for those used by the Andean cultures/civilizations.
“A quipu usually consisted of cotton or camelid fiber strings. The Inca people used them for collecting data and keeping records, monitoring tax obligations, properly collecting census records, calendrical information, and for military organization. The cords stored numeric and other values encoded as knots, often in a base ten positional system. A quipu could have only a few or thousands of cords. The configuration of the quipus has been "compared to string mops." Archaeological evidence has also shown the use of finely carved wood as a supplemental, and perhaps sturdier, base to which the color-coded cords would be attached. A relatively small number have survived.”
>> It’s a bit funny how things are with the information provided to us by the Main Stream History. If anons remember some of the mentions of quipu in the many Andean cultures, it was watered down and simplified by saying they held some numerical information or stuff related to Agriculture. But now, look what they are saying about what they contained.
“Objects that can be identified unambiguously as quipus first appear in the archaeological record in the first millennium AD (though debated quipis are much earlier). They subsequently played a key part in the administration of the Kingdom of Cusco and later Tawantinsuyu, the empire controlled by the Inca ethnic group, flourishing across the Andes from c. 1100 to 1532 AD. As the region was subsumed under the Spanish Empire, the quipu faded from use, to be replaced by European writing and numeral systems. However, in several villages, quipu continued to be important items for the local community, albeit for ritual rather than practical use. It is unclear as to where and how many intact quipus still exist, as many have been stored away in mausoleums.”
>> Let’s make it clear: the Spaniards intentionally destroyed as much quipus as they could; we saw this before in this thread. I like the last sentence written in this paragraph: some quipus miraculously survived ^_^ This means locals hid them and some probably know how to read them = passed down knowledge from ancestors. Seems it was kept a secret to preserve them from being destroyed. Good going!
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01159a No.13257627
>>13257593
(Please read from the start)
“Quipu is the Spanish spelling and the most common spelling in English. Khipu (pronounced [ˈkʰɪpʊ], plural: khipukuna) is the word for "knot" in Cusco Quechua. In most Quechua varieties, the term is kipu.
“Etymology
"Quipu" is a Quechua word meaning "knot" or "to knot". The terms "quipu" and "khipu" are simply spelling variations on the same word. "Quipu" is the traditional Spanish spelling, while "khipu" reflects the recent Quechuan and Aymaran spelling shift.
Purpose
Most information recorded on the quipus consists of numbers in a decimal system, such as "Indian chiefs ascertain[ing] which province had lost more than another and balanc[ing] the losses between them" after the Spanish invasion. In the early years of the Spanish conquest of Peru, Spanish officials often relied on the quipus to settle disputes over local tribute payments or goods production. Quipucamayocs (Quechua khipu kamayuq "khipu specialist", plural: khipu kamayuqkuna) could be summoned to court, where their bookkeeping was recognised as valid documentation of past payments.”
>> Is this a joke? First (((they))) tell us the quipus are gone forever = destroyed by the Spaniards, but now (((they))) are telling us they were used to establish amounts of tribute payments? Meaning, the quipus were not destroyed but kept and used by the Spaniards. Amazing how the information vary from one Wikipedia page to another and even in one Wikipedia page, from one paragraph to another.
“Some of the knots, as well as other features, such as color, are thought to represent non-numeric information, which has not been deciphered. It is generally thought that the system did not include phonetic symbols analogous to letters of the alphabet. However Gary Urton has suggested that the quipus used a binary system which could record phonological or logographic data. His student Manny Medrano has gone further to find quipus that decode to match census data.”
>> Why do I have this impression that the first sentence’s end is nothing but a lie.
“The lack of a clear link between any indigenous Peruvian languages and the quipus has historically led to the supposition that quipus are not a glottographic writing system and have no phonetic referent. Frank Salomon at the University of Wisconsin has argued that quipus are actually a semasiographic language, a system of representative symbols – such as music notation or numerals – that relay information but are not directly related to the speech sounds of a particular language. The Khipu Database Project (KDP), begun by Gary Urton, may have already decoded the first word from a quipu–the name of a village, Puruchuco–which Urton believes was represented by a three-number sequence, similar to a ZIP code. If this conjecture is correct, quipus are the only known example of a complex language recorded in a 3-D system.”
>> I think there is confusion here: I don’t see the quipus as a language on their own, but as a writing mechanism, just like a pen and a paper are. The last sentence is very misleading because the quipus are not a language on their own but a supporting material that holds the information = for me, just like I said, they are identical to a pen and a paper. Those are supporting material for the language; they are not the language themselves. I see the quipus in the same way, having the same function.
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01159a No.13257655
>>13257627
(Please read from the start)
“Most recently, Sabine Hyland has made the first phonetic decipherment of a quipu, challenging the assumption that quipus do not represent information phonetically. After being contacted by local woman Meche Moreyra Orozco, the head of the Association of Collatinos in Lima, Hyland was granted access to the epistolary quipus of San Juan de Collata. These quipus were exchanged during an 18th century rebellion against the Spanish government. A combination of color, fiber and ply direction leads to a total of 95 combinations in these quipus, which is within the range of a logosyllabic writing system. Exchanging information about the rebellion through quipus would have prevented the Spanish authorities from understanding the messages if they were intercepted, and the Collata quipus are non-numeric. With the help of local leaders, who described the quipu as "a language of animals", Hyland was able to translate the names of the two ayllus, or family lineages, who received and sent the quipu. The translation relied on phonetic references to the animal fibers and colors of the relevant quipu cords. Future research will attempt to determine whether Hyland's findings are applicable to quipus from the Inca period and earlier.”
>> Well, it seems the narrative peddled about no one being able to read the quipus is wrong, since the native continued to send messages to each other using them all the way till the XVIIIth century. Also from the way it looks, these quipus seem close to Morse Code or Braille writing….or something of the same nature. I’m saying it’s the same concept behind all 3. It’s not a language of itself, it’s more like a system of writing and in the quipus case it’s also a writing supporting material = the cords, ropes in the same time. Come to think of it, isn’t the digital language also composed of the same concept with the ZERO and ONE called the Binary code (even though here it’s a digital language)? Also, in page 242, we’ve seen something similar, ONLY with the Mayan numerals.
“Marcia Ascher and Robert Ascher, after having analyzed several hundred quipus, have shown that most information on quipus is numeric, and these numbers can be read. Each cluster of knots is a digit, and there are three main types of knots: simple overhand knots; "long knots", consisting of an overhand knot with one or more additional turns; and figure-eight knots. In the Aschers’ system, a fourth type of knot—figure-eight knot with an extra twist—is referred to as "EE". A number is represented as a sequence of knot clusters in base 10.
• Powers of ten are shown by position along the string, and this position is aligned between successive strands.
• Digits in positions for 10 and higher powers are represented by clusters of simple knots (e.g., 40 is four simple knots in a row in the "tens" position).
• Digits in the "ones" position are represented by long knots (e.g., 4 is a knot with four turns). Because of the way the knots are tied, the digit 1 cannot be shown this way and is represented in this position by a figure-eight knot.
• Zero is represented by the absence of a knot in the appropriate position.
• Because the ones digit is shown in a distinctive way, it is clear where a number ends. One strand on a quipu can therefore contain several numbers.
•
For example, if 4s represents four simple knots, 3L represents a long knot with three turns, E represents a figure-eight knot and X represents a space:
• The number 731 would be represented by 7s, 3s, E.
• The number 804 would be represented by 8s, X, 4L.
• The number 107 followed by the number 51 would be represented by 1s, X, 7L, 5s, E.
This reading can be confirmed by a fortunate fact: quipus regularly contain sums in a systematic way. For instance, a cord may contain the sum of the next n cords, and this relationship is repeated throughout the quipu. Sometimes there are sums of sums as well. Such a relationship would be very improbable if the knots were incorrectly read.”
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01159a No.13257662
>>13257655
(Please read from the start)
“Some data items are not numbers but what Ascher and Ascher call number labels. They are still composed of digits, but the resulting number seems to be used as a code, much as we use numbers to identify individuals, places, or things. Lacking the context for individual quipus, it is difficult to guess what any given code might mean. Other aspects of a quipu could have communicated information as well: color-coding, relative placement of cords, spacing, and the structure of cords and sub-cords.”
>> I agree: the colors, spacing and the structure of the cords all have a meaning and if the meaning is known, they will help crack open the information hidden inside the quipus.
“Literary uses
Some have argued that far more than numeric information is present and that quipus are a writing system. This would be an especially important discovery as there is no surviving record of written Quechua predating the Spanish invasion. Possible reasons for this apparent absence of a written language include destruction by the Spanish of all written records, or the successful concealment by the Inca peoples of those records. Making the matter even more complex, the Inca 'kept separate "khipu" for each province, on which a pendant string recorded the number of people belonging to each category.' This creates yet another step in the process of decryption in addition to the Spanish attempts at eradicating the system. Historians Edward Hyams and George Ordish believe quipus were recording devices, similar to musical notation, in that the notes on the page present basic information, and the performer would then bring those details to life.”
>> I agree. I’m in the same set of thoughts about the quipus.
“In 2003, while checking the geometric signs that appear on drawings of Inca dresses from the First New Chronicle and Good Government, written by Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala in 1615, William Burns Glynn found a pattern that seems to decipher some words from quipus by matching knots to colors of strings.
The August 12, 2005, edition of the journal Science includes a report titled "Khipu Accounting in Ancient Peru" by anthropologist Gary Urton and mathematician Carrie J. Brezine. Their work may represent the first identification of a quipu element for a non-numeric concept, a sequence of three figure-eight knots at the start of a quipu that seems to be a unique signifier. It could be a toponym for the city of Puruchuco (near Lima), or the name of the quipu keeper who made it, or its subject matter, or even a time designator.
Beynon-Davies considers quipus as a sign system and develops an interpretation of their physical structure in terms of the concept of a data system.”
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01159a No.13257705
>>13257662
(Please read from the start)
“Khipu kamayuqkuna (knot makers/keepers, i.e., the former Inca record keepers) supplied colonial administrators with a variety and quantity of information pertaining to censuses, tribute, ritual and calendrical organization, genealogies, and other such matters from Inka times. Performing a number of statistical tests for quipu sample VA 42527, one study led by Alberto Sáez-Rodríguez discovered that the distribution and patterning of S- and Z-knots can organize the information system from a real star map of the Pleiades cluster.”
>> Holy Heavens! Does this mean some quipus contained star maps? If so what else could they have contained? Maybe knowledge of our ORIGINS? Or maybe the Great FLOOD? Or are there HINTS to the Ancient, pre-Flood Civilization = our ancestors? No wonder the quipus were hidden from the Spaniards.
“Laura Minelli, a professor of pre-Columbian studies at the University of Bologna, has discovered something which she believed to be a seventeenth-century Jesuit manuscript that describes literary quipus, titled Historia et Rudimenta Linguae Piruanorum. This manuscript consists of nine folios with Spanish, Latin, and ciphered Italian texts. Owned by the family of Neapolitan historian Clara Miccinelli, the manuscript also includes a wool quipu fragment. Miccinelli believes that the text was written by two Italian Jesuit missionaries, Joan Antonio Cumis and Giovanni Anello Oliva, around 1610–1638, and Blas Valera, a mestizo Jesuit sometime before 1618. Along with the details of reading literary quipus, the documents also discuss the events and people of the Spanish conquest of Peru. According to Cumis, since so many quipus were burned by the Spanish, very few remained for him to analyze. As related in the manuscript, the word Pacha Kamaq, the Inca deity of earth and time, was used many times in these quipus, where the syllables were represented by symbols formed in the knots. Following the analysis of the use of "Pacha Kamaq", the manuscript offers a list of many words present in quipus. However, both Bruce Mannheim, the director of the Center for Latin American Studies at the University of Michigan, and Colgate University's Gary Urton, question its origin and authenticity. These documents seem to be inspired freely by a 1751 writing of Raimondo di Sangro, Prince of Sansevero.”
>> I personally don’t care if the supposed deciphering of the quipu in this manuscript is correct or not. Nor do I care if the manuscript is authentic or not. What is interesting in this part are 2 indirect clues given to us; more like invisible evidence (sort of speak):
1 – The Jesuits are involved and were interested in the quipu; which in turn opens up a huge digging tunnel and raises loads of questions; as in how many of these quipu did the Jesuits themselves get their hands on, where are they stored if it’s the case, did they manage to break the code, what sort of information did they find etc.? We all know that the Jesuits are NO SAINTS, I hope anons understand what I mean there.
2 - We’ve seen Pacha Kamaq before in page 465, he is seen as the Earth Maker = the Creator, in the Wari culture. He is also seen as one of the Sun god Inti = children of the sun idea. And back then, I noted the similarities between his myth and the one of Chronos eating his children. Pacha Kamaq is also tied to the Sea. Why does this give me the impression there might be some information concerning the Great Flood or the events related to it within the quipu?
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01159a No.13257748
>>13257705
(Please read from the start)
“History
Tawantin Suyu
Quipucamayocs (Quechua khipu kamayuq, "khipu-authority"), the accountants of Tawantin Suyu, created and deciphered the quipu knots. Quipucamayocs could carry out basic arithmetic operations, such as addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. They kept track of mita, a form of taxation. The quipucamayocs also tracked the type of labor being performed, maintained a record of economic output, and ran a census that counted everyone from infants to "old blind men over 80". The system was also used to keep track of the calendar. According to Guaman Poma, quipucamayocs could "read" the quipus with their eyes closed.
Quipucamayocs were from a class of people, "males, fifty to sixty", and were not the only members of Inca society to use quipus. Inca historians used quipus when telling the Spanish about Tawantin Suyu history (whether they only recorded important numbers or actually contained the story itself is unknown). Members of the ruling class were usually taught to read quipus in the Inca equivalent of a university, the yachay wasi (literally, "house of teaching"), in the third year of schooling, for the higher classes who would eventually become the bureaucracy.
Spanish invasion
In 1532, the Spanish Empire's conquest of the Andean region began, with several Spanish conquerors making note of the existence of quipus in their written records about the invasion. The earliest known example comes from Hernando Pizarro, the brother of the Spanish military leader Francisco Pizarro, who recorded an encounter that he and his men had in 1533 as they traveled along the royal road from the highlands to the central coast. It was during this journey that they encountered several quipu keepers, later relating that these keepers "untied some of the knots which they had in the deposits section [of the khipu], and they [re-]tied them in another section [of the khipu].”
>> Now we know there were quipu keepers = “librarians” and there were places to keep, store, deposit the quipu in = “libraries or archive rooms”.
“The Spanish authorities quickly suppressed the use of quipus. Christian officials of the Third Council of Lima banned and ordered the burning of all Quipus in 1583 because they were used to record offerings to non-Christian gods and were therefore considered idolatrous objects and an obstacle to religious conversion.”
>> Where is Hitler? Isn’t this the exact same thing the Nazi did in WWII? If you find Buddhist books, do you burn them simply because they are not Christian? As I’ve said before, for the Spaniards to go this far……..there is something else behind all of this.
“Contemporary social importance
The quipu system operated as both a method of calculation and social organization, regulating regional governance and land use. While evidence for the latter is still under the critical eye of scholars around the world, the very fact that they are kept to this day without any confirmed level of fluent literacy in the system is testament to its historical 'moral authority.' Today, "khipu" is regarded as a powerful symbol of heritage, only 'unfurled' and handled by 'pairs of [contemporary] dignitaries,' as the system and its 'construction embed' modern 'cultural knowledge.' Ceremonies in which they are 'curated, even though they can no longer be read,' is even further support for the case of societal honor and significance associated with the quipu. Even today, 'the knotted cords must be present and displayed when village officers leave or begin service, and draping the cords over the incoming office holders instantiates the moral and political authority of the past.' These examples are indicative of how the quipu system is not only fundamental mathematically or linguistically for the original Inca, but also for the cultural preservation of the original empire's descendants.”
>> This paragraph contains contradictory claims with what was said previously and within itself.
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01159a No.13257763
>>13257748
(Please read from the start)
“Anthropologists and archaeologists working in Peru have highlighted two known cases where quipus have continued to be used by contemporary communities, albeit as ritual items seen as "communal patrimony" rather than as devices for recording information. The khipu system, being the efficient method of social management it was for the Inca, is also a link to the Cuzco census, as it was one of the primary methods of population calculation. This also has allowed historians and anthropologists to understand both the census and the "decimal hierarchy" system the Inca used, and that they were actually 'initiated together,' due to the fact that they were 'conceptually so closely linked.
Tupicocha, Peru
In 1994, the American cultural anthropologist Frank Salomon conducted a study in the Peruvian village of Tupicocha, where quipus are still an important part of the social life of the village. As of 1994, this was the only village where quipus with a structure similar to pre-Columbian quipus were still used for official local government record-keeping and functions, although the villagers did not associate their quipus with Inca artifacts.”
>> I’m in the mindset that the use of Quipu predates the Incas. I think the chances are high that the “system” was established by the Great Flood survivors.
“San Cristóbal de Rapaz, Peru
The villagers of San Cristóbal de Rapaz (known as Rapacinos), located in the Province of Oyón, keep a quipu in an old ceremonial building, the Kaha Wayi, that is itself surrounded by a walled architectural complex. Also within the complex is a disused communal storehouse, known as the Pasa Qullqa, which was formerly used to protect and redistribute the local crops, and some Rapacinos believe that the quipu was once a record of this process of collecting and redistributing food.The entire complex was important to the villagers, being "the seat of traditional control over land use, and the centre of communication with the deified mountains who control weather".
In 2004, the archaeologist Renata Peeters (of the UCL Institute of Archaeology in London) and the cultural anthropologist Frank Salomon (of the University of Wisconsin) undertook a project to conserve both the quipus in Rapaz and the building that it was in, due to their increasingly poor condition.
Archaeological investigation
The archaeologist Gary Urton noted in his 2003 book Signs of the Inka Khipu that he estimated "from my own studies and from the published works of other scholars that there are about 600 extant quipu in public and private collections around the world.”
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01159a No.13257767
>>13257763
(Please read from the start)
“According to the Khipu Database Project undertaken by Harvard University professor Gary Urton and his colleague Carrie Brezine, 751 quipus have been reported to exist across the globe. Their whereabouts range from Europe to North and South America. Most are housed in museums outside of their native countries, however some reside in their native locations under the care of the descendants of those who made the knot records. A table of the largest collections is shown below.”
>> Anons can check the table in the link. What caught my attention in it is the SUPER HIGH NUMBER of quipu kept in the Ethnological Museum of Berlin = 298 – compared to how many are kept in the country of origin. What do you think anons, did (((they))) managed to decipher the quipu? If so, what do you think (((they))) found in them? Also, what about these private collectors: whom do you think they are? Incredible, isn’t it? The (((collectors))) are keeping important records in (((their))) collections; records that might contain important information about the Flood and even about the pre-Flood civilization. Don’t we suspect (((them))) to have done the same with the “supposed” hall of records under the Giza pyramid complex and the Sphinx? (page 306 – video)
“While patrimonial quipu collections have not been accounted for in this database, their numbers are likely to be unknown. One prominent patrimonial collection held by the Rapazians of Rapaz, Peru, was recently researched by University of Wisconsin–Madison professor, Frank Salomon. The Anthropology/Archaeology department at the University of California at Santa Barbara also holds one quipu.
Preservation
Quipus are made of fibers, either spun and plied thread such as wool or hair from alpaca, llama, guanaco or vicuña, though are also commonly made of cellulose like cotton. The knotted strings of quipus were often made with an "elaborate system of knotted cords, dyed in various colors, the significance of which was known to the magistrates". Fading of color, natural or dyed, cannot be reversed, and may indicate further damage to the fibers. Colors can darken if attacked by dust or by certain dyes and mordants. Quipus have been found with adornments, such as animal shells, attached to the cords, and these non-textile materials may require additional preservation measures.
Quipus are now preserved using techniques that will minimise their future degradation. Museums, archives and special collections have adopted preservation guidelines from textile practices.”
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01159a No.13257791
>>13257767
(Please read from the start)
“Environmental controls are used to monitor and control temperature, humidity and light exposure of storage areas. As with all textiles, cool, clean, dry and dark environments are most suitable. […]Damage can occur during storage. The more accessible the items are during storage, the greater the chance of early detection. […]Quipus are also closely monitored for mold, as well as insects and their larvae. […]”
>> I compressed many paragraph just above into one, only putting the relevant information.
“Ruth Shady, a Peruvian archeologist, has discovered a quipu or perhaps proto-quipu believed to be around 5,000 years old in the coastal city of Caral. It was in quite good condition, with "brown cotton strings wound around thin sticks", along with "a series of offerings, including mysterious fiber balls of different sizes wrapped in 'nets' and pristine reed baskets. Piles of raw cotton – uncombed and containing seeds, though turned a dirty brown by the ages – and a ball of cotton thread" were also found preserved. The good condition of these articles can be attributed to the arid condition of Caral.”
>> I also believe Caral = Norte Chico is among the oldest sites out there. I’m still unsure if it’s as old as Tiwanaku or just comes after it when the first one was emptied out due to migration and resettlement. There is a possibility that Norte Chico is also a starting point because when I look at how the many cultures and their sites are scattered in the Andean region, I see the chances are high we might have more than one starting point in the Andes.
A last comment about the quipu:
Some time ago, when I was taking a look at the Nihon animation series called: The mysterious cities of Gold, mentioned in page 336 (starts). Back then, I was taking a look at many clips and segments from the animation series and I finally selected the clip I attached later on in page 340. As I was watching many clips, there was one where Tao is holding “his jar” and Zia is holding a quipu. The scene was taking place in what looks like an underground place or a temple maybe. Zia kneels and lays the quipu on the ground then she starts to separate the quipu threads/ropes and display them on each side of the central axis, not on one side as we see them hanging like a necklace of rope in the pictures I’ve attached in previous pages. Sorry, I cannot refer the video since I didn’t take note of it, didn’t think I would need it back then; so what I’m saying is just from memory. I couldn’t find the video as well even though I looked a lot for it.
To make anons understand better what I’m trying to draw attention to, I made this little drawing of the quipu’s display or should I say the spread. What you see done in black color is how the Main Stream History and museums display them. What you see drawn in green color is how Zia in the cartoon spread the quipu in order to read it. See the difference anons, it’s huge. And it raises a lot of questions as to how she managed to know which thread to spread in which direction. According to color maybe? Or according to the type of information in it? One thing is obvious though = whomever did this cartoon, did some deep research.
I hope anons understood what I’m pointing out to with this sketch of mine even though it’s very rudimentary.
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01159a No.13257862
>>13257791
(Please read from the start)
I won’t be going in depth about my next item; just its existence is enough for me because I’m not into “solving” such subjects in this thread, it’s not my main goal. So I’m going to take a super quick look: The Rock Art Petroglyphs of Vallegrande in Bolivia (bradshawfoundation.com)
“The Rock Art Petroglyphs of Vallegrande
Vallegrande in west of Dept. Santa Cruz belongs to the Andean highlands. Numerous rock art sites have been registered with a great variety of paintings and engravings that span at least several millenia. Two sites are presented here: A small cave with paintings and engravings executed in different periods. The oldest representations are more than 20 negative hand stencils. In later times a large stylized human figure was painted in white holding a staff and another object (height: 1,13 m). Some animals were partly painted on top of this anthropomorph, in red and white. Apparently, a few abstract motifs in yellow and red represent the next phase, and finally there are white paintings belonging to the Colonial period, including a human figure holding up a cross, apparently scaring away another anthropomorph pictured in a frog-like fashion. Another small cave in Vallegrande, features two magnificent mask-like designs, one of which was chosen as logo of the Bolivian Rock Art Society (SIARB). It is estimated to date to about 1000 A.D.
The rock art of Bolivia forms part of the Bradshaw Foundation - South American Rock Art Archive. The Bradshaw Foundation would like to thank Matthias Strecker and the Sociedad de Investigacion del Arte Rupestre de Bolivia (SIARB) for helping assemble material for the Boliva section of this archive.”
>>Just a little note: People in last picture have curly hair.
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01159a No.13257911
>>13257862
(Please read from the start)
My next “peculiar” artifact is a bowl known as the Fuente Magna bowl (F.M.B. for shorts). First thing I noticed is how the Main Stream History conveniently doesn’t mention the existence of this bowl and it’s not even listed in the Out-of-Place-Artifacts, not even mentioned as a hoax.
So let’s see what the Alternative History says about it: https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/fuente-magna-controversial-rosetta-stone-americas-003660
“24 AUGUST, 2015 - APRILHOLLOWAY
Fuente Magna, the Controversial Rosetta Stone of the Americas
The Fuenta Magna is a large stone vessel, resembling a libation bowl, that was found in 1958 near Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. It features beautifully engraved anthropomorphic characters, zoological motifs characteristic of the local culture, and, more surprisingly, two types of scripts —a proto-Sumerian ancient alphabet and a local language of the ancient Pukara, forerunner of the Tiahuanaco civilization. Often referred to as “the Rosetta Stone of the Americas,” the stone vessel is one of the most controversial artifacts in South America as it raises questions about whether there may have been a connection between the Sumerians and the ancient inhabitants of the Andes, located thousands of miles away.”
>> I want to stop a bit here and talk about the outer decoration of the F.M.B. I’ve put pictures of it as anons can see. Look closely: we’ve seen them before didn’t we? Do you remember where? The winged feline theme has re-occurred in many Andean cultures. It was represented on pottery like what we see in page 449 with the Chimu. And we’ve seen the exact same representation with the Tiwanaku textile in page 479. This is why I tried to shine light onto the “forgotten” aspects of such cultures/civilizations that are usually neglected by most researchers. Pottery, textile, metallurgy etc. consist of the little invisible links connecting loads of aspects within a culture/civilization or between them. But they mostly consist of pain in the rear sort of work – that’s why most kinda run away from them and prefer working on bigger and more flashy structures, like the pyramids for example.
“The ancient relic was discovered accidentally by a farmer working on a private estate owned by the Manjon family. The owners subsequently delivered it to the city hall of La Paz in 1960 in return for land near the capital. Around the same time, Bolivian archaeologist Max Portugal Zamora learned of its existence and attempted, unsuccessfully, to decipher the unusual inscriptions, not least because he failed to recognize that the writing upon the bowl was a type of cuneiform text dating back some 5,000 years.”
>> A few comments:
1 - The best ever archaeological discoveries are the one which were done accidently, via farmers. That is where most authentic excavated artifacts come from = they are mostly undisturbed, untouched until the accidental finding.
2-Anons shouldn’t be surprised in this thread to hear about Cuneiform writing being found on the other side of the planet from Mesopotamia. Remember I already found out that the Sumerians came downstream Euphrates using the Kuphar: they came from the Armenian plateau where Mt Ararat rests (page 27). And also in the Paracas we had the ELONGATED RED HAIR skulls, where it was said they originated from the Middle East (pages 396 - 397) but whom are also referred to as being Caucasian = coming from the Caucasus, their place of origin. With the Chachapoyas, we also have the “White” race, as in the Caucasian ethnic group (pages 458 – 459), present in the Andean region.
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d51cdb No.13258054
>>13257911
(Please read from the start)
3 -The F.M.B. is proof that Tiwanaku is much much older than the date provided by the Main Stream History and for me, this bowl confirms it’s the starting place of many Andean cultures/civilizations. See now why the Main stream history doesn’t even mention the bowl as a hoax? It totally shreds their narrative and it exposes their lies and fraud about the dating.
“The Fuente Magna bowl remained in storage in the Museo de los Metales Preciosos (“Museum of Precious Metals”) for approximately 40 years, until two Bolivian researchers, Argentine Bernardo Biados and archaeologist Freddy Arce, sought to investigate the origins of the mysterious relic. They were eventually put in contact with Maximiliano, a 92-year-old local who, after seeing a picture of the bowl, claimed it was once in his possession. Not realizing its significance, Maximiliano admitted that he had used the bowl to feed his pigs.
The two researchers took detailed photographs of the bowl and sent them to epigraphist Dr. Clyde Ahmed Winters, in the hope that he may be able to decipher the inscriptions. Dr. Winters, an ancient languages expert, compared the inscriptions to Libyco-Berber writing used in the Sahara approximately 5,000 years ago. The writing was used by the Proto-Dravidians (of the Indus Valley), Proto-Mande , Proto-Elamites, and Proto-Sumerians. Dr. Winters, in his article “ Decipherment of the Cuneiform Writing on the Fuente Magna Bowl ,” concluded that the writing on the bowl “was probably Proto-Sumerian,” and offered the following translation:
- “Approach in the future (one) endowed with great protection the Great Nia. [The Divine One Nia(sh) to] establish purity, establish gladness, establish character. (This favorable oracle of the people to establish purity and to establish character [for all who seek it]). [Use this talisman (the Fuente bowl)] To sprout [oh] diviner the unique advice [at] the temple. The righteous shrine, anoint (this) shrine, anoint (this) shrine; The leader takes an oath [to] establish purity, a favorable oracle (and to) establish character. [Oh leader of the cult,] open up a unique light [for all], [who] wish for a noble life.” –
This translations suggests that the Fuente Magna bowl may have been used to make libations to the Goddess Nia to request fertility. The figure on the Fuente Magna, which appears to be in a “Goddess pose,” with open arms and legs spread, is believed to support Dr Winters’ translation.”
>> Yes, I agree, this is a goddess of fertility.
“If Dr. Winters’ translation is correct, this has major implications for our understanding of both Sumerian civilization and the ancient culture of Bolivia. Researcher Yuri Leveratto aptly poses the question: “How is it possible that proto-Sumerian inscriptions were found in a bowl that has been found near the Titicaca Lake, 3,800 meters [2.3 miles] above sea level, thousands of kilometers far away from the area where the Sumerian people used to live?”
>> Perfect question! See anons this is the sort of thinking you should do: proto-Sumerian inscription bowl near Titicaca Lake at 3800 m above sea level, thousands of km away from where the Sumerians lived = the WHOM, the WHAT, the WHERE (including the altitude)….we need to find the HOW…. Well, I will be explaining this when I explain how we have the Caucasian ethnicity in the Andean region. I will do it all at once, for now, I will gather the pieces of the puzzle as evidence for later on. For now, take notes, notice the details and pay attention.
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d51cdb No.13258166
>>13258054
(Please read from the start)
“According to Bernardo Biados , the Fuente Magna was most likely crafted by Sumerian people who settled in Bolivia sometime after 2,500 B.C. According to Biados, the Sumerians were known to sail to the distant Indian subcontinent and some Sumerian ships may have made their way around South Africa and entered one of the currents in the area that lead across the Atlantic from Africa to South America. It is possible that some chose to stay and explore into the Andes, perhaps searching for areas high on the plateau of Bolivia where food was being produced. Yuri Leveratto says, “the Sumerian culture influenced the people of the plateau, not only from a religious point of view, but also in the language. In fact, some linguists have found many similarities between the proto-Sumerian and Aymara languages.”
>> No, no, no, no! (shaking my head) Should I consider this as pure B. (sorry about the term, but such theories get me really pissed off). Let me make things clear:
I’m not an expert of the Sumerians but I’ve read some books about them and I’ve taken basic courses about them when I was a student. So I can “navigate” my way with them, sort of speak. What this Mr says about the Sumerians “navigating” is pure B. It was NEVER them. The Sumerians never circled Africa nor entered the currents of the Atlantic Ocean. It was the Phoenicians. The Sumerians mastered fluvial navigation on the Euphrates, the Tigris was very dangerous for navigation as I’ve explained before in this thread, this is why they navigated mostly the Euphrates. But…..they did HIRE the Phoenicians to navigate the SEAS, just like the Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt did and paid them to map, circle Africa, TWICE. The trading merchandise of the Sumerians was transported via Phoenician boats. They didn’t EARN their title of the biggest traders in the ancient times and they didn’t become the MOST FAMOUS navigators of ancient times for nothing. What little maritime navigation the Sumerians had was directed in the Arab gulf and towards INDIA, not towards Africa nor the Med Sea….and the Atlantic Ocean. They didn’t have the knowledge nor the ship building technology to do so, nor the construction material by the way.. The middle man when it came to trade were always the Phoenicians.
So this theory is terribly wrong and even terribly more misleading. It’s pure fantasy. Whomever this is, he didn’t study at all. Doesn’t even know the basic knowledge about Sumerian and Phoenician navigation.
And I thought no one understood the ancient Andean language, it was lost. I also thought the Main stream history told us many times in the review I did of most of the Andean cultures, that there was no writing system in the Andean region. So what is this? Isn’t it a writing system? If there are similarities between the Sumerian and the Aymara language, it’s because they came from the same place = had the same origin = pre-Flood civilization.
This has nothing to do with the Sumerian, so I totally dislike this type of work: just twist facts, misguide the reader, in order to find some sort of logical explanation about an inexplicable artifact. Well, at least I should be grateful they didn’t bring in the Alien explanation here. That’s a relief for me.
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d51cdb No.13258195
>>13258166
(Please read from the start)
“However, this perspective, and indeed the initial translation work of Dr. Winters has not been without its critics. Jason Colavito, a known skeptic and “debunker,” suggests that there is only a small degree of correlation between the script on the bowl and Proto-Sumerian characters. Colavito points out that the bowl has a highly problematic provenance, and may simply be a hoax. Biados says this is incorrect, citing the overwhelming support from major portions of the academic community.”
>> I wonder how much both Colavito and Biados are paid? Both are wrong. If the interpretation of the writing is incorrect, this doesn’t mean it’s not cuneiform on a bowl near Titicaca Lake. It only means there is a connection, a link that hasn’t been found yet. We usually let such case get cold, rest, until new findings shows us the way to solve this. And Mr Biados, apart his totally awful wrong theory, is wrong when he says Colavito is wrong. Colavito is correct in suspecting the provenance of this bowl, mostly the theory of it being Sumerian. Seems like this irked Biados since his theory would be debunked then. Maybe if they would have worked together, they might have found the answer.
“It is clear that the Fuente Magna bowl remains a matter of contention between academics. It is hoped that further archaeological and linguistic research may help to unravel the story behind this mysterious artifact, as doing so may help to expand our understanding of the great civilizations of our past and their influence throughout the world.”
>> This bowl is not a forgery; it’s not a hoax either. This bowl is authentic. How it got in the Andes can be explained. For now, there are a few details about the bowl I would like to bring attention to which were neglected in the Alternative history article:
1 – The square shape “spirals” or should I call them the geometric design (sorry, maybe I’m misusing the word spiral here): we’ve seen them before in the geoglyphs. The one I remember personally the most is the one in page 382 from the Paracas geoglyphs.
I also said previously that I believe the Tiwanaku geoglyphs are the oldest one and the city is the starting point. With the migration that occurred from the city, the geoglyphs spread to new places where the settlements and new cultures were formed as people moved there taking their knowledge with them. And this geometric design on the bowl (for me), it proves that the place of origin is from Tiwanaku. I also won’t be surprised to discover this design on Petroglyphs and textile, pottery etc.. One last idea: this just some thoughts of mine so I could be totally wrong about this; it’s not even a theory, just some thoughts swirling in my head for now = could this specific design be the origin of the SWIRL we see? We see in the petroglyphs and the geoglyphs alike the swirls design very frequently. Since I take Tiwanaku as the oldest place where the survivors of the Great Flood settled in, could this be the oldest iconography of the swirl design? Then with time, as people migrated, it mutated, changed into circular swirls instead of this square swirls. Just some thoughts there anons, just some thoughts.
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d51cdb No.13258240
>>13258195
(Please read from the start)
2– I want to talk about the RIM or the edge of bowl. It’s obvious it’s a snake a bi-cephalic snake = 2 heads sharing one body. It’s like one of those bracelets we see with the snake design where it circles the arms and the 2 heads meet. The snake or serpent design is not seen often in the Andean region, contrary to the other places we’ve seen so far in this thread. What is interesting about it is not just their presence but also they look like guardians to the deity.
3–Next to the deity, there are some symbols = on each side of her. These symbols are neglected by the researchers. I have no clue what they mean. But I think they are either some type of pictogramic type of writing or it’s a map. A map of what? Well, it can be a geographical map = actual location or it can be a start map = related to astronomy. I’m inclined to see this as a possible star map if it’s not a writing system. Why? Because we are dealing with shamans here = religion whom performed divination and we already know the existence of an ancient temple under the waters of Lake Titicaca. As well as we know the temples on the islands of the same Lake. We shouldn’t forget the location of Aramu Muru = it’s within a walking distance from Tiwanaku and Lake Titicaca. And there, stargazing, star reading and rituals were performed. If this bowl was found in the vicinity of the city of Tiwanaku, in the fields, I won’t be surprised to find out it was used in one of the 3 locations: Temples of the lake, the Tiwanaku city temples or from Aramu muru. If what I’m suspecting turns out to be correct, I think shamans from the city of Tiwanaku used to walk to Aramu muru observatory to preform their rituals there and read the stars while transporting some ritual related objects, including libation bowls, drums and hallucigenic drugs with them. So it’s possible this bowl was among those objects.
Another possibility is that this bowl was an artifact buried along within a non-excavated site, still unknown to us. When you read what I put about Tiwanaku culture, it was said that the current day farming area was covering some ancient structures, like roads and housing sector and possible other types of buildings if I remember correctly. So in other words, there is an archaeological layer under the current fields. We don’t know what is down there, so it’s possible the bowl came from what is under those fields.
As anons can see, we have many possibilities for where this bowl was unearthed. I believe it’s better to wait for new discoveries in the area and let this rest a bit. Sometimes if you give it a bit of time, a great discovery can be made that will catapult the research forward by a lot.
That’s it for the F.M.B.
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d51cdb No.13258440
>>13258240
(Please read from the start)
My next item is a very strange artifact known as the Pokotia monolith:
Main Stream History : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokotia_Monolith
“The Pokotia Monolith (also known as the Pokotia Monument) is a stone statue excavated from the pre-Incan site of Pokotia in 1960 6 km (4 mi) from Tiwanaku in Bolivia. In December 2001 inscriptions and patterns on the front and back of the statue were photographed by a team led by the Bolivian archaeologist Bernardo Biados.
It resides in a small museum in Calle Jaén, La Paz, Bolivia; Museo de metales preciosos "Museo de Oro".”
>> Now I must admit, this made me chuckle. This is ALL (((they))) have to say about this statue?
Well, let’s take a look at what the Alternative History says about it: https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/exceptional-inscription-pokotia-monument-evidence-sumerian-script-bolivia-021392
“15 MAY, 2017 - CLYDE WINTERS
The Exceptional Inscription on the Pokotia Monument – Evidence of Sumerian Script in Bolivia?
There is a very intriguing inscription on the back of the Pokotia Monolith. What makes it stand out is that it was written in linear Sumerian. Even more exciting is that it provides further evidence of a Sumerian presence in ancient South America.”
>> Well, it’s normal to come to the conclusion of the Sumerian presence in South America. That’s the logical conclusion any rational person would reach if they follow the Main Stream History tunnel. But by doing so, they will hit the wall of the impossibility of this idea and how crazy this idea is. That is what I thought at first as well, but then I understood, I was wrong. It’s something else. It’s the same “thing” that explains how we have Caucasian ethnicity in the Andean region. It’s linked.
“When I deciphered the inscription, I was told that The Pokotia Monolith was discovered by Bernardo Biados, Freddy Arce, Javier Escalente, Cesar Calisaya, Leocadio Ticlla, Alberto Vasquez, Alvaro Fernholz, Omar Sadud, Paulo Batuani, and Rodrigo Velasco on January 4, 2002. They told me this discovery and other research done by these researchers was supported by the Honorable H. Enrique Toro, President of the Congress of Bolivia.”
>> Thank you Mr President of Bolivia. I totally distrust Bernardo Biados after how he handled the F.M.B. issue.
“Bizarrely, the exact same inscription is shown on a tablet in the collection of Father Crespi, an Italian missionary who served in Ecuador.”
>> Loads of “sticky” points with the Father Crespi issue, so I rather not go there, maybe in some other time, but not in this dig.
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d51cdb No.13258460
>>13258440
(Please read from the start)
“Finding More Inscriptions on the Pokotia Monolith
Originally it was believed that there was an inscription written only on the front legs of the monolith, but further research indicated that there were also inscriptions on the back of the statue and directly below the left hand of the figure.
The Pokotia inscriptions were written in linear Sumerian. This makes the text very significant because it supports the discovery of Sumerian symbols on the Fuente Magna bowl. They both provide evidence of Sumerian inscriptions in South America.”
>> I totally agree with the last paragraph. And I say if archaeologists dig around the area a bit, they will find more artifacts with possible similar inscriptions on them.
“Putaki: Who was this Oracle Mentioned on the Pokotia Monolith?
The inscriptions on the back of the Pokotia statue define the role of the Putaki oracle in the community. It would appear that people recognized this oracle as a source of "truth" and glad tidings. Its additional role was to establish righteousness, wisdom, and good character for the members of the community who might use this oracle to communicate with the gods.”
>> This puts a smile on my face. It came as no surprise to me the existence of an “Oracle” at Tiwanaku. It should be logical to have one since we have divination and star reading. Also how the site was constructed, I’ve seen this before in another megalithic site where there was an Oracle and they practiced divination and star reading = Baalbek.
“Throughout this inscription on the Pokotia monument the Putaki oracle is called "father". For example, in column 1, it was written that: "Proclaim the establishment of character. The strong father (Putaki) to send forth the divination". And, in column 4, we discover that [Putaki is] the father of wisdom (and) benefit (for all). This suggests that Putaki was recognized as the great ancestor of other oracles in Kuga-Ki.”
>> What I just read made me wonder: Is Putaki a Great-Flood survivor? Were he and the Staff-God among the first persons to settle in Tiwanaku city? Sounds like Putaki was either the FIRST oracle in Tiwanaku or a great one.
“This also indicates that Putaki oracle centers were situated in Bolivia. In these centers people went to divine the future, communicate with their gods and ancestors, or simply to obtain blessings and glad tidings from the Putaki oracle.
Similarities Between the Pokotia Monument and Statues at Tiahuanaco
The Pokotia monument is an authentic artifact made by the people of South America because it is identical to one of the statues from Tiahuanaco. This indicates that the Sumerians formerly lived in South America and may have played a role in the building of Tiahuanaco. It is also interesting to note that the Pokotia statue and Tiahuanaco monuments share similar headdresses and rib impressions along the chest area of several monuments.”
>> No,no! I only agree with the first sentence in this paragraph. This is no indication that the Sumerians lived in the Andean region, even if we combine this with the F.M.B. This only proves there is a link somewhere and we still don’t know what it is. If the Sumerians really lived in the Andean region = where are their traces in the first building phase of Tiwanaku? Why can’t we find any architectural presence of them around Lake Titicaca and on the temples of the lake islands? There is the possibility of what’s under the Lake to be hiding some traces, but until we find them, it’s just not conclusive. Also, I don’t see any artistic style influence from the Sumerians sculpting and reliefs in the area. But it’s the artistic style and even the Staff-God iconography = originated from Tiwanaku, that is spread everywhere, to other cultures in the Andes.
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d51cdb No.13258465
>>13258460
(Please read from the start)
“Sumerian Script on Capac Clothing?
Among the Inca, it was popular to put Sumerian symbols in their textiles. Much of what we can decipher about the writing system of the ancient Peruvians comes from Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala’s El primer nueva crónica y buen gobierno (The First New Chronicle and Good Government). This Peruvian chronicle dates back to 1615. Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala was a Native American.”
>> Wow! Really?! I thought there was no writing system in the Inca Culture and they used the quipu to record information. It was the case for the entire Andean cultures. Also if those were really proto Sumerian letters on Inca Textile, where are the REAL samples? Where is the fabric? Well, we might say they deteriorated with time.
Sure, I can accept that. But I also do know that the weaving technique is not the only knowledge transmitted by ancestors from one generation to another. I also know each culture usually passed down the designs and patterns, it’s like their trade mark or sign of recognition. It helps to identify them. The weaving style is also another method. It’s true that some patterns may have mutated, evolved and changed over time, but there are always traces of it if we rewind things and till the moment I’m writing this, I haven’t found any looking like the proto-Sumerian writing.
From the looks of it, it seems that whomever came up with this theory relied heavily on the drawings in the chronicle of Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala which is something very “dangerous” to do. Because for Felipe, he could have randomly drawn the shapes as he thinks they are – as he THINKS HE SAW THEM = it may not be accurate. If we find a piece of fabric with the same pattern, then I will admit I was wrong about this. Until we do, I don’t agree with this, it makes no sense whatsoever and for me, it’s wishful thinking or wishful interpretation of geometric patterns. But, I will be open to re-asses this if proof is provided, tangible authentic proof.
This can be explained if both culture had the same root though. If you put this into the equation, it will make perfectly sense = both culture came from the same Ancient Civilization.
“It is interesting to note that the Proto-Sumerian signs on South American textiles were not just restricted to Peru. The writing on the Pokotia monolith makes it clear that the Pokotia oracle was heard by many people in ancient Bolivia too. During Inca (Sumerian: En-ka "Great Lord") times, the temple city of Pachacamac contained the idol of Pachacamac, which was a commanding oracle drawing devotees from Ecuador in the North through Bolivia in the South. People came from far and wide for a Pachacamac prophesy (Moseley, p.68). The Pokotia monolith makes it clear that the popularity of oracles in this part of South America existed all the way back in time to the creation of the Putaki oracle .”
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d51cdb No.13258492
>>13258465
(Please read from the start)
>> Not necessary. I’m saying this again: if the Sumerians were really living there we would have seen traces of their presence in art and in architecture, not just a couple of inscriptions. Artistic influence is among the first transfers when 2 different cultures get in contact with one another; just check the influence between Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt = pre-dynastic.
“Importance of the Pokotia Monolith and Fuente Magna Bowl
The fact that there are inscriptions written in Sumerian on pieces like the Fuente Magna bowl and Pokotia monolith suggest that the Sumerian language continued to be spoken in this area for an extended period of time. This explains why we find Sumerian and Aymara cognate terms.”
>> Face Palm….it’s proto-Sumerian language, not Sumerian. They are not taking into account the evolution. Also, I’m going to repeat it one more time, if they both originated from one ancient civilization, it will make perfectly sense as how both shared the same language.
“The Sumerian artifacts from Kuga-Ki also illustrates the legacy of writing in South America. In my book Ancient Scripts in South America , I discuss the legacy of writing among Native Americans in this region.
Along with the Sumerian symbols on the Fuente Magna Bowl and Pokotia monument, the identification of Sumerian place names on the Altiplano suggest that Bolivia was at least part of Kuga-Ki. Kuga-Ki was the "Tin Land of the West" or the "Sunset Land", in Sumerian inscriptions. These artifacts also show the widespread existence of Putaki Oracle centers in Bolivia.”
>> I’m sorry, but for me, this is one big messy interpretation; even though I’m thankful it’s not the Alien explanation. I totally disagree with the Sumerian origin theory pushed in the later part of this article.
One thing for sure: the Main Stream History will NEVER even MENTION the last 2 artifacts (Pokotia monolith and F.M.B.), not even mention them as a hoax because they will completely shred the entire narrative they’ve paddled, not just about Tiwanaku culture, but about the entire history of mankind: this is will open a Pandora box of questions (((they))) cannot afford to answer.
This is all of the Pokotia Monolith and I will stay on what I said until further proof is provided.
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d51cdb No.13258560
>>13258492
(Please read from the start)
My next stop is the petroglyphs found in Nicaragua. They are known as being the Ometepe petroglyphs. A quick look to the context and the petroglyphs from the Main Stream History comes next: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ometepe
“Ometepe is an island formed by two volcanoes rising out of Lake Nicaragua in the Republic of Nicaragua. Its name derives from the Nahuatl words ome (two) and tepetl (mountain), meaning "two mountains". It is the largest island in Lake Nicaragua.
The two volcanoes (known as Volcán Concepción and Volcán Maderas) are joined by a low isthmus to form one island in the shape of an hourglass, dumbbell or peanut. Ometepe has an area of 276 square kilometres (107 sq mi). It is 31 kilometres (19 mi) long and 5 to 10 kilometres (3.1 to 6.2 mi) wide. The island has an economy based on livestock, agriculture, and tourism. Plantains are the major crop. […]”
>> I’m going to skip the part not related to this research.
“Archaeology
[…]
Petroglyphs
The Ometepe Petroglyph Project was a volunteer field survey of the Maderas half of Ometepe from 1995–1999. This project intensively surveyed 15 km of the Maderas half of the island over five field seasons. The project mapped 73 archaeological sites within this 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) area, including almost 1700 petroglyph panels on 1400 boulders.
Of the 73 sites surveyed by the Ometepe Petroglyph Project, petroglyphs were recorded at all but one. Many of the petroglyphs on Ometepe contain spirals, and “meander” across the rock face. Stylized turtles are a common motif for the area.
The petroglyphs of Ometepe include some forms which are less common. Figures in many of the depictions are described as having “bowling ball faces” on human figures. As noted above, spirals are common, and are apparently used in several ways. Two attached spirals appear to represent the island, with its two volcanoes. Spirals also are used to depict the head of anthropomorphic figures.”
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d51cdb No.13258591
>>13258560
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“Some of the unusual formations seen within the petroglyphs on Ometepe include seats or steps carved into boulders, ovals, and big grooves. The purpose behind these forms has not yet been explained.
Between the 1995 and 1996 field seasons, ten sites were recorded. The greatest concentration of petroglyphs was noted at N-RIO-3, probably recorded by Haberland as Om-38. Located along the slopes and at the top and of a ridge, the site contains 82 boulders with petroglyphs, six mortars, two metates and a scatter of ceramics and chert lithics. Of the 149 petroglyphs recorded during 1996, most were located on land owned by the cooperative at the hacienda. When the program was expanded in 1997, to include volunteers, 20 volunteers participated in recording fifteen additional sites. The most impressive site, N-RIO-19, was greater than 180,000 square meters in area. Ninety-two petroglyphs, over 30 house mounds, stone statuary fragments, and pottery from at least three different periods of occupation were recorded at the site, and the material was being studied in Managua.”
>> Anons notice how it’s an “early” settlement for humans, just by looking at the type of artifacts/tools used, mostly the chert lithic. This is evidence, proof of what I was trying to say about the petroglyphs: they are the oldest. It’s like when the survivors came out of the Flood, they were trying to adapt to their environment and gather food etc. and they also needed to record some knowledge. They look for the most available HARD = nonperishable material they could easily have access to = boulders = stones. And this is how the petroglyphs came to be. I believe wherever we have them, it means there were early survivor settlements there, maybe temporarily settlements and then they moved on to better places. It must have been one tough life for them back then.
“The Ometepe Petroglyph project is an interesting example of modern technology assisting in the recording of archaeological sites. As the prehistoric art sites were being surveyed and recorded, pictures were taken of each site in both color and black and white. A video was even made at one site. Photos were then uploaded into a computer, and the Photoshop program was then used to increase the contrast of the photos, increasing the visibility of the petroglyphs pictured. This allowed for a more accurate record of sites that by necessity were photographed in less than ideal conditions and lighting. In addition to the remote area and poor lighting, on Ometepe Island, the depth of the engraved lines on petroglyphs thus far recorded varies from “immeasurably shallow” to around three centimeters (Ometepe Petroglyph Project Website, 2006).
[…]”
>> This should be done to all petroglyphs worldwide, and they should be catalogued. Once this is achieved we can start to study them and compare them with one another. Also anons, if you look closely to the picture I’ve attached with this page, this petroglyph, it’s telling a story, it’s like a picture book. The carvings are linked to one another, they are homogenous to one another forming a story line. These are not randomly put there with no connection between each carving. And maybe I’m stretching it, but on the upper (your left hand) left corner: see a boat with a man standing. And the circle reminds of page 279 and page 295. I’m not sure what it is: I see it sometimes as a city with walls and a river coming out. Sometimes I see it as a cave and a river coming out. It’s interesting, isn’t it?
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d51cdb No.13258629
>>13258591
(Please read from the start)
This was what Main Stream History had to say about these petroglyphs. Now let’s take a look at what the Alternative History has to say about them: https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/mysterious-petroglyphs-ometepe-nicaragua-004053
“UPDATED 3 OCTOBER, 2015
The Mysterious Petroglyphs of Ometepe, Nicaragua
Ometepe is an island located on Lake Nicaragua in Nicaragua. The name of this island comes from the indigenous Nahuatl language. Ome means as ‘two’, whilst tepetl means ‘peaks / hills / mountains’. Hence, Ometepe may be translated as ‘the place of two hills’. The first Nahuatl-speaking inhabitants of Ometepe are said to have arrived on the island after following a prediction that instructed them to search out an ‘island paradise that consisted of two peaks’. Prior to their arrival, however, Ometepe had already been inhabited by a number of other tribes and cultures, as evidenced by the large quantity of petroglyphs scattered throughout the island.
According to the Ometepe Archaeological Project (OAP), which is a long-term volunteer archaeological field survey of the Maderas half of the Nicaraguan island of Ometepe, “approximately 2,000 boulders with petroglyphs or other cultural modifications have been photographed, drawn, and described as part of the survey.” It has been suggested that the petroglyphs were produced by native artists using flint and obsidian chisels. The exact age of these petroglyphs is unknown. Nevertheless, it has been suggested that some of them may be over 3,000 years old. Furthermore, excavations carried out in the early 1880s by J. F. Bransford, and in the late 1960s by Wolfgang Haberland showed that Ometepe was probably settled as late as 800 B.C. and perhaps as early as 2000 B.C. By comparing the petroglyph motifs with designs painted on the pottery excavated on Omotepe (as well as other islands on the lake), one may be able to estimate the age of the Ometepe petroglyphs.
The stylistic forms of the Ometepe petroglyphs may be divided into several broad categories. One of these categories is designated as “Abstract Curvilinear”, and is the most common type of petroglyph design. The most common motif in this group is said to be the spiral (ranging from simple single spirals to multiple spirals) which can be found in all the sites surveyed by the OAP. Another category of petroglyphs are called “Abstract Rectilinear”. Petroglyphs with these designs, however, are reported to be in a much smaller proportion to other types of motifs, and seem to be a variation of the “Abstract Curvilinear” motifs.”
>> Finally! The OAP is doing a pretty good job so far. See how organized it is here anons compared to the MESS we have in Peru and other places? I’ve put what seem to be a catalogue cover of the petroglyphs in Nicaragua for anons. I never read this book, nor do I know what’s in it. The reason why I’m putting it is that regardless of how the writer interprets the petrolgyphs, such books are good for pictures and raw data, bulk data sources = location, orientation, size etc. So for anons whom are digging the petroglyph tunnel, what is important mostly about such publications is the raw data provided in them. This doesn’t mean such publications are bad and it doesn’t mean they are good: just check them out yourselves.
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d51cdb No.13258657
>>13258629
(Please read from the start)
“Anthropomorphic figures
In addition to geometric motifs, there are also petroglyphs with “Anthropomorphic” or “Zoomorphic” motifs. “Anthropomorphic” designs are relatively common, and are said to occur often at some sites, and none at all in others. These designs range from simple heads to stick figures and figures with fully outlined bodies. Some figures even make use of the three dimensional aspect of the rock, and appear to be almost sculptural. These include one that is called the bruja or witch, a naturalistic human head, and a foetus-like figure.
Zoomorphic figures
“Zoomorphic” figures, on the other hand, are relatively infrequent, and occur in both representational and stylized forms. Of the former, the monkey is said to be the most common motif. Other designs include quadrupeds (infrequent, but tend to be found in complex panels), amphibians such as frogs and toads (infrequent), and birds (rare). Figures of reptiles have also been found. Images of lizards and crocodiles have occurred occasionally, whilst those of turtles are infrequent. Additionally, some figures of snakes are present in the petroglyphs. It has also been suggested that some curvilinear designs may be stylized forms of snakes. Other stylized “Zoomorphic” figures include possible bird heads and a crocodilian figure.
There are also a number of head-like designs that can neither be called anthropomorphic nor zoomorphic. These have been placed by the researchers under the category of “Mask-like Forms”. Finally, there is a category called “Miscellaneous Motifs”. These include images of flowers or butterflies, sun-like symbols, calendars, and cruciform figures.
In spite of the surveys done by the OAP, there are many questions surrounding the petroglyphs of Ometepe that are yet to be answered. For instance, the reason(s) for the production of these petroglyphs is still a mystery. This is due to the fact that no written records are known to have been left behind by the people who made the petroglyphs. Therefore, for the time being, one can only imagine what these petroglyphs were for. Were they meant to be aesthetic, ritualistic, or practical? Or, could they have served a totally different function?
>> OAP has done a very good job in classification as far as I can see from this article.
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d51cdb No.13258717
>>13258657
(Please read from the start)
What caught my attention are 4 items:
1 – The first petroglyph is the one I posted with the Wikipedia page and already made comments there. So I’m not going to repeat what I said there.
2- The second petroglyph consists of the first 2 pictures I’ve attached with this page. I always like to look at pictures taken from different angles, different hours of the day and B/W + colors, also the negatives imprints = I’m old style after all.
Anons did you recognize whom we have here? Yup! It’s our good old Staff-God. He is even holding the staff, but it’s not a rigid staff, this one is closer to what we see with the Aztec and Mesoamerica representation of the weapon yielded by Huitzilopochtli on page 276 (weapon name: Xiuhcoatl - page 278) and other Aztec deity as well . It’s because lightning or should I say electricity doesn’t come out as a rigid rectilinear shape. I’m adding a picture of lightning for anons to understand better what I’m pointing to.
Anons shouldn’t forget that we found the Staff-God outside of his native territory in Peru; so you shouldn’t be surprised to see him all the way in Nicaragua. As people migrated, they transported their beliefs with them, including the cult of the Staff-God. Lightning comes out as a serpent, doesn’t it? If you think I’m wrong, then please go take a very LONG look at all the Aztec gods iconography and mostly their weapon, look closely – painting, relief, sculptures etc. I personally think migrants from Tiwanaku where the Staff-God has most probably appeared first, managed to reach all the way to Nicaragua, even possibly to the Mesoamerica cultures. But by then, I’m certain, a mutation happened to the Staff-God cult as they made contact with locals or the cult was transmitted to many younger generations. Now this last sentence is just a possibility; nothing more, nothing less.
3 –The third petroglyph caught my eye because of how it’s presented. Either we have a map here (geographical map or star map) or we have a story being narrated for us here anons. I’ve taken a long look at the different types of petroglyphs in Nicaragua and I think petroglyphs such as the one we have in the last picture of this page are either maps or telling us a story of a series of events. What story? I don’t know. Map of what? I also don’t know. Sorry for that, but I’m not going to look much further into this. I only hope I’m of some help to researchers out there reading this.
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d51cdb No.13258842
>>13258717
(Please read from the start)
4 –Last item that caught my attention is a row of statues. Please anons, take a very close look at what they are wearing on their heads. ^_^ You have no idea just how big my smile is right now.
Look closely, we even have females = ladies wearing that bird of prey headset = the first picture I’ve put of the statue with a mountain in the background = the statue has breasts. I’ve already talked many times about the birds of prey headgear as them being warriors with religious connotation to them. Maybe over here, in Nicaragua, things mutated as well for the birds of prey headgear and it became totally religious; as in shamans and priestesses would wear such headgears. Or maybe, it totally went in the opposite way and we have Lady warriors in this place. Either way, this is a second piece of evidence that migrants came all the way from the starting point of the Staff-God cult = most probably Tiwanaku; all the way to Nicaragua.
Also anons, look carefully at the other statues next to the one with a Bird of Prey headgear. I’m not a 100 % sure but it seems we also have a statue with a Feline headgear, reminding me of the decapitator from the Moche culture page 439.
Anons, please take a good look at the map I’ve attached with this page and compare with the map I’ve attached in page 436 of Moche Culture geographical location. Moche culture was located in North current day Peru and we know there has been loads of trade with Ecuador for Spondylus shell (pages 445-446) ;with the Chimu culture (location on map page 442) as well, because the shell originated from Ecuador’s warm waters (page 447). So this means we have more than one culture living in the north of Peru that had connections like trade with their Ecuadorian neighbors.
And then with the Quimbaya (starting page 569) we saw the petroglyphs (page 571) and then with their metallurgy (page 573 – item 2) we MIGHT have a Bird of prey headgear on the upper part of that golden artifact.
If we follow the coast, from Northern Peru to Ecuador to Bolivia, can’t we easily reach from there Nicaragua? Did I just discover the itinerary of the migrants from Peru to Nicaragua? Did those same migrants transport with them the cult and the iconography of the Staff-God and the Birds of Prey headgear from Peru to Nicaragua? It surely looks like it to me anons.
Why?
Remember the Muisca civilization (starting page 319)? Do you remember the geographic location of the Muisca civilization (same page)? Do you remember their petroglyph was similar to the ones of the Dogons (page 321)? But mostly anons, do you remember the Muisca god called Bochica (page 325)?
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d51cdb No.13258882
>>13258842
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Do you remember what was said about Bochica? How incredibly similar he was to Inca god Viracocha, the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl and several other deities from Central and South American pantheons. Do anons remember that Bochica also had a staff, he also wandered around teaching men to be civilized? It’s striking how similar both Viracocha and Bochica are. But Viracocha had 2 staffs while Bochica had one: did the other staff “sink” like what we read in the Ayar brother’s legend (page 527)? For some unknown reason, seems like our Staff-God has lost one of his staffs. Also, the names….not similar…..but….they have something….I don’t know…a linguist should take a look at this.
As for Quetzalcoatl, do anons remember his story (starting page 256)? He was supernatural and god like (page 257), he also wanted to put an end to human sacrifice practice. He was like a mage god, very wise and people prospered and were happy under his rule. But something happened. It’s unclear what exactly, but there was a migration, mostly of his followers, whom wandered for some time before reaching a place where they settled down. Sounds a lot like what happened with the Ayar brothers doesn’t it? And it also fits with the migration of Tiwanaku. Also, in the same Wikipedia page, his father was KILLED by a family member = son-in-law. Incredibly enough, look at the iconography of Quetzalcoatl (oh Lord his name is hard) = his headdress and his weapon should be compared with that of our Staff-god: Viracocha.
Strangely enough, we’ve seen this idea show up with Tron: Legacy = Where someone wants to usurp the royal power and take the throne. Also we’ve seen this notion of the King-priest dying in the cartoon “The Mysterious cities of Gold” (page 340) as well as we know Atra-Hasis in page 43 put his family to safety while I have this impression he stayed behind.
But anons, didn’t we already know of this about Osiris and Seth? Where Osiris reign was described as prosperous and he was a good wise king, betrayed by his brother, whom dismembered him? I didn’t go through it when I was looking at Ancient Egypt because I thought it’s too popular and anons already know about this. If someone reading doesn’t know, then I’m sorry, I will have to ask you to read it yourself for now. I’m not going there myself because it’s linked to Phoenicia. I want to wait it a bit more.
Also, are the Aztlan caves (page 279) from the Aztec legend of origins the same cave the Ayars brothers (page 499 & page 524) came out from? My thoughts are going in all directions as I see multiple converging points.
So when Quetzalcoatl left the city, his throne was taken by his rival, human sacrifice took place and him along with his followers were harassed by his rival for some time. Is this the journey of Viracocha when he left Tiwanaku and somehow reached Mesoamerica? If this is the case, then…Oh Lord! So many details uncovered as to what happened.
To my greatest pleasure, I also found this little clay statuette from Ecuador: it’s obvious that it’s a Birds of prey gear, including the wings. Its existence out of the actual Peru territory is proof that such equipment got to the neighboring territories. It also reminds me in its similarity with the clay Aztec statue on page 281. This is proof that not only the Staff-god iconography made it out of Peru, but also what is known as his helpers.
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d51cdb No.13258900
>>13258882
(Please read from the start)
There is one detail that I’m unable to understand how it fits in all of this: the Maize.
The general idea given about it from the Main Stream History after reading all of the Wikipedia pages is that it came from Mesoamerica to the Andean region via trade and migration. Which is very possible, because trade and migration always happen in both ways, not in one way. And they have a point in all of these pages that Corn = Maize needs a warmer climate and a better soil than what we have in the Andes.
What troubles me is what is said about the Maize coming out of the cave with the Ayar brothers (page 535). So did the Maize really come from Mesoamerica to the Andean region via trade and migrants or vice versa?
The high concentration of the presence of the Staff-God as well as the Birds of Prey headgear in the Andean region, as well as the traces of the Flood and indications of how old Tiwanaku really is (=starting point); all of these combined make it clear that there was a migration wave from the Andean region to Mesoamerica, which transported with it the cult of the Staff-god. But what I’m unsure of is the Maize. Did it reach Mesoamerica same method or it came with Mesoamerica traders, migrants to the Andean region? Can I consider this (=the Maize) as a piece of evidence that a double migration took place? As in a migration going both ways? Seems like it so far anons. This is highly possible.
I only want to add that I may reassess this if any new evidence comes my way.
Let’s stop here anon with the peculiar artifacts and monuments. My brain is pure compost right now. I just hope the global image is getting clearer for anons, slowly, but surely. I’m going to come back later on some of the points I’ve talked about when I gather more pieces of the puzzle as I move forward. I hope I didn’t miss anything of importance; if this is the case, then please anons, bring it to my attention as some have already done before. There are so many artifacts and monuments that I might have missed a couple or more.
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d51cdb No.13258934
>>13258900
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Since I consider the Andea region finished = I’ve checked out most of the stuff there, I want to end this section by doing some type of a roundabout summary. Depending on what it is about, I will either make the links on a regional level and if possible on a global level = trying to bring all of this together as much as possible, whenever it’s possible.
Let’s start with: Irrigation, metallurgy, urban planning, textile waving and designs, pottery, architecture, burial practices, clothes, religious centers, reliefs, sculptures, headdresses, body paint or tattoos, agriculture etc. can be used to study the evolution of the many cultures in the region and how they influenced one another. This is not a simple easy study but it can help us sort out which culture preceded the other and which existed in parallel with others = same period of time. It’s impossible to put a correct date since I’m suspecting it was messed up on purpose but we can put the cultures/ civilization in order = in a row.
As examples, I’m going to give 2 but I will caution anons not to rely too much on them because these are the early impressions I got without looking too deep into it. Just my impression from the Wikipedia page. Of course this should be studied very seriously and very deeply, but right now, I honestly don’t have time for such things and this is the type of work that needs many years of work.
My first example is for the geoglyphs: it’s obvious that the oldest are the ones from Tiwanaku, followed by the ones of the Wari, then the Paracas and lastly with the Nazca geoglyphs. I also believe there is a gap that escaped me between the Wari and the Paracas. I don’t know which culture fits in there. And I’m not even mentioning the geoglyphs found outside of current day Peru yet.
My second example is of the cultures: I’m thinking something of this line, knowing some might have co-existed =
1-Tiwanaku
2- Wari and maybe Cupisnique.
3-Moche, Inca and Chachapoya.
Of course I could be totally wrong. I’m not going to deny it. As I’ve just said this is the first impression I got from reading those Wikipedia pages and this need to be looked into very seriously – not in a shallow way as I just did. Why am I doing this and why am I even talking about this even though I could be totally wrong? It’s to show anons the way to reconstruct things, mostly chronology. I know some of you are very interested specifically in such stuff, unlike me. I’m just giving examples in order to show how anons can establish some type of chronology if they are interested = how to put the cultures in order. Sorry, I don’t mean to cause confusion here, just trying to help built somewhat of a chronology if this is even possible.
As for Chavin de Huantar and Norte Chico, they escape me. I only know they come after Tiwanaku, with a slight possibility that they might have co-existed in the later phase of Tiwanaku. I only hope anons understand what I’m trying to say here. Once we finish with the regional comparison and study, it’s then we can move to the global one.
Also, I hope anons noticed that I excluded art because the art in the Andean region is very specific to that geographic location in the world, different if we compare it with Mesoamerica and other regions of the world.
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d51cdb No.13259005
>>13258934
(Please read from the start)
Based on what I read from the many pages, I can also divide the cultures into 3 categories:
1-Those with celestial, divine connotations like Chavin de Huantar, Norte Chico and Chachapoya; as in cultures run by the good guys.
2-Those with evil, dark connotations like Chimu and Moche.
3- Those unsure of like the Paracas and Nazca because of probable misinterpretation, misunderstanding and misattribution.
From the images, most of the sites seem to have some type of link and possible correlation with constellations while I’m certain most consulted the night sky and practice divination; combined with the use of hallucinogenic drugs.
Also some sites may have started as places run by “the good guys” but at some point these places were taken over and run by the bad guys, either by infiltration or invasion.
In the cultures run by the bad guys we see all the horrors we know current day cabal practice, from cannibalism to human sacrifice, including children… but for some strange reason, this is mixed with the worship of the ancestors and suicide of servants, following their master into the tomb, which is not a brutal ritualistic satanic sacrifice. I’ve explained this before: it’s like the Master owns his servants just like he owns furniture, and he takes them with him to the grave to serve him in the afterlife like they served him while he was alive. In some cultures, devoted servants used to willingly join their lord in the afterlife.
In order to make this clearer, I want to ask anons to take a look at the movie called Tomb Raider (2018) which I’m attaching pictures of with this page. In that movie, Himiko, the mythical Queen of Yamatai lies in her tomb with her servants and maids whom willingly followed her in death, to serve her in the afterlife as they served her while she lived.
What I dislike in the approach everyone is taking about the human sacrifice in the Andean region is putting everything they find under the same umbrella – while the differences are huge, including the ancestor worship. Since they found severed heads, everyone jumped in concluding this is human sacrifice ritual. But, no one even bothered to really examine when the heads were cut off = before death or after death.
Within the cultures controlled by the bad guys, apart the violence and gore, we also saw obvious sexual activity and even in some, not all cultures, incest marriage in order to keep the Bloodline pure (mostly royal family). If anons gather everything and compare to current day bloodline practices, they will find out it’s similar; as it is similar to what the Aztec did and other civilizations in Mesoamerica.
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d51cdb No.13259076
>>13259005
(Please read from the start)
For most, the religious architecture as in the temples are pyramidal in shape, but looking more like a Zigurat and the temples in Mesoamerica than the pyramids of Giza with flat surfaces. I can put them into categories as I’ve mentioned before. I can divide them into 2 main categories, and I want to add a third one; it goes like this:
1-Flat surface pyramids: Giza (ante-Flood monuments)
2-Zigurat shape pyramids: Mesopotamia, Mesoamerica, Andean region (post-Flood monuments)
3-Step pyramids: Saqqara (probably post-Flood monument)
Another architectural element that caught my eye in the Andean region is the circular shape of certain rooms, squares and spaces. We saw it in Chavin de Huantar, Norte Chico and Kuelap from the Chachapoya culture; as well as the “water reservoir” with the Incas. I’m very interested in this circular architecture because it’s the oldest ever geometric form in which early habitations were built in. It’s a fact that humans used caves first, then when they started to build villages and settled, their first housing units were circular in form to transform later on to square/rectangle one. While researching I’ve been keeping an eye on circular habitation forms because I think it’s transferred from pre-Flood times. And I’m not surprised to see it in use mostly by what I call the celestial or the good guys cultures in the Andes. I think they are keeping an old style, ancient tradition of building. I know I’m presenting this suddenly to anons, but I will come back later to this and explain why I’ve reached such thoughts. Please take note of what I said for now, and if we ever encounter more structures like this, add it to the list.
Now let’s talk a bit about the special physical features of the Andean people: Just like in Mesoamerica, in the Andean region we also have “whites” or should I say the “Caucasians”, some with red hair and if I’m not mistaking, some with blond hair. This ethnic mix was also seen in Mesoamerica, mostly with the Olmec and also in Ancient Egypt.
Which brings me to the elongated skulls: The XVIIIth Dynasty from Ancient Egypt is very famous for having members of the royal family with elongated skulls. I didn’t go in it because it’s way known within the researchers community and I was digging in the pre-dynastic times when I was taking a look in Ancient Egypt. What maybe most don’t know is that Nefertiti, wife of Amenophis IV a.k.a. Akhenaten, was a Hittite princess as in, she was Caucasian. She came from what is later known as Anatolia. If I remember my lesson correctly from back my school days, her name means = the beauty from beyond the mountains. Now let me ask the reader this: did anyone take a look at the shape of the Caucasian skull, mostly the Armenoid skull? If not, then please do and I want you to keep in mind 2 things while you take a look at the pictures of Armenian skulls: 1 – The Armenian Genocide ordered by the Bloodlines and executed by the Turks mainly. 2 – The famous Bloodline families whom practice blood purity also have an elongated skull, just like the one Jacob de Rothschild does. I call them the ovoid shape, because it’s more like an egg shape.
Are all of these connected? I believe so anons. I’ve stated before that when it came to elongated skulls we can divide them into 2 categories: 1 – Those naturally elongated, as born with them. 2 – Those artificially elongated, as in shaped from birth to look like that. Now can anons link all the elements of this puzzle together? I hope you will find the answer yourselves for now. If not, then you will have to wait for me till I gather more pieces of the puzzle.
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d51cdb No.13259147
>>13259076
(Please read from the start)
It’s notable that for some reason, unknown to the general public, ancient royals from Mesoamerica and Andean region (we’ve seen both so far) have practiced the artificial deformation of their skulls from birth, to make them look elongated. It was believed it’s a sign of a higher social status. Now combine this information with how the Rothschilds consider themselves as being on a higher rank, or should I say level, then the rest of us humans. Why you think is that? It’s not just related to the blood or is it? But then, why hold on into the shape of their ovoid skull = elongated, and take pride in having such a skull? They “flash” it (sort of speak) in front of us as if they are teasing us with it. Like making some type of dark joke that we are unable to grasp. Am I the only one whom noticed how they take pride of the shape of their skulls? Even the war criminal Shimon Perez behaves like that. If this shape wasn’t important, (((they))) wouldn’t take pride in it and “show off” about it this way. (((They))) wouldn’t have hang on to it for so long. (((Their))) behavior and attitude tell a lot. And I’ve been watching (((them))) for decades now. I want to give anons some time to think about this. Yes, there are answers, very logical answers and yes, there are also some unanswered questions. It’s important for anons to research this on their own = the hints and clues I’ve already given you so far, because we’re going to talk once more about all of this. I’ve reached a certain point, and I’m still stuck a bit there, but the reader didn’t reach it yet. For now, just take a look at the connections I’ve just told you about. Put the pieces I’ve given you together and we will later on see what we will do once we reach it.
For now, start with the idea that the ovoid skulls or what most call the elongated skulls are linked to the Caucasians….which…… we have many proofs they lived in the Andes: not just the red or blond hair, but also the 2 proto-Sumerian inscriptions that were found in the vicinity of Tiwanaku. This last point is another piece of evidence consolidating the FACT that the SUMERIANS CAME FROM THE ARK ON MT ARARAT FROM HEARTLAND ARMENIA and they navigated down the Euphrates using the Kuphar. The proto-Sumerian inscriptions, both of them, are directly linked to the Caucasian ethnicity and the elongated skulls…all combined, pointing in the direction that Tiwanaku was founded by the Great Flood survivors. I will be explaining more and more, much more as I advance in this thread, but it’s very important for the reader to slowly start forming those thoughts in their heads or they will feel like being flooded later on.
And since we are talking about Tiwanaku, let’s talk about another physical trait we saw there = the existence of Giants. As I’ve explained before, based on the many factors I’ve stated before, there are hints from the Andean region = artifacts and monuments; pointing us to the idea of people much bigger in size than current normal human existed.
The Andean region is not the only place on earth we saw these hints to the existence of Giants in this thread. As I’ve mentioned before, we also have the incredible door of the Great pyramid of Giza (page 189) that is simply huge for our current size as humans. But if humans were almost double in size = somewhere between 3.5 and 4 m tall, wouldn’t that huge door be “normal” or should I say “standard” for that height? As I’ve said before, the width is of no importance, only the HEIGHT is.
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d51cdb No.13259231
>>13259147
(Please read from the start)
But the huge door of the Great pyramid of Giza is not the only piece of evidence this old dog in archaeology has provided to anons. Most of what I post is carefully picked, most, not all. I wanted to let anons notice the following themselves:
1– Narmer Palette (starting page 122): Compare the size of Narmer to the rest of the persons while keeping in mind we are talking about pre-dynastic Ancient Egypt here. On its own, we can push forward “perspective” as an argument (or any other argument) and try to debunk this, but if we combine with ALL I will present next and what we have in the Andes….then….the argument cannot stand.
2-The size of the pyramids of Giza along with the size of the Sphinx: Measure their size to that of a current normal human. Then measure their size to that of a human as tall as 3.5 to 4 m high. Then compare both data and pictures. Suddenly, the size of the pyramids of Giza and the Sphinx won’t be that big if humans were bigger in size, right?
3-The petroglyphs or the rock carvings from the Wadi in Ancient Egypt (first picture page 144): if you look closely, we have humans from different sizes standing next to each other. If this is a matter of perspective, then I must admit the Ancient Egyptians had a really awful one in their art. And I’m not even looking into the petroglyphs worldwide. If I study them, will I find oversized human carvings there as well? I say yes.
4- The Naqada pottery (starting page 146): For some “strange” reason the females holding their hands up in the air are painted much bigger in size than the males standing next to them. Even how their body shapes are painted differently.
5 – The size of the stone blocks in the megalithic sites we’ve seen so far from Giza pyramids, to Tiwanaku to Saqsaywaman: It’s totally absurd to even think modern day humans can lift or push such block, mostly if we can calculate how many “workers” were available back then among the male population. BUT, if humans were bigger in size themselves, then…some of the smaller big blocks can be lifted up to some point. I will explain this more in the upcoming pages.
6 – There is more evidence in Ancient Egypt = pre-dynastic one of the existence of Giants, I’m sure if I look more, I will find them, but I want to leave Egypt a bit and point anons to the Victory Stele of Naram-Sin (starting page 63). Isn’t Naram-Sin represented BIGGER than the rest of the people, almost double their size? If we take two of the persons represented around him and we put them one on top of the other, as if standing on the shoulders of the other, it’s only then that they will reach the height of Naram-Sin. Also, did anon notice what type of WEAPON Naram-Sin is holding in his hands? Does that look like some sort of an axe? Is it similar to the type of weapon another Giant is holding = Staff-god from Gateway of the Sun in Tiwanaku? Or does it look like the Staff Manco Capac (starting page 526) is holding? Or is Naram-Sin holding simple spears and a simple battle axe here? I don’t know, but I would sure like to take a closer look at this stele. We also have a giant in the Chile geoglyphs in page 634, third picture near number 1 – and forth picture, in the box.
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d51cdb No.13259314
>>13259231
(Please read from the start)
I’m sure if I look, I will find MANY representations in Mesopotamia where Bigger than normal people are depicted. We even have a few in Mesoamerica with the Olemcs giant heads (pages 233), with the Toltecs Giant colonnade of Tula (page 255) and the Great Goddess on murals of Teotihuacan (starting page 294), with Chincha culture (page 430), with the Giant on the Rock in Ollantaytambo (page 510) etc. I can go on forever like this anons. I think Main Stream History will dismiss all of this iconography with the following explanations: 1 – it’s a perspective representation. 2 – The artist depicted the royal bigger in size to show his importance. Well….the females on the Naqada pottery were not ALL royals, not that many of them. Those ladies were most likely priestesses. And I’m sure the Big people represented on the petroglyphs worldwide are not royals, not all of them anyway. And my next point also proves that not all Giants were royals.
8- The proportions between the Dinosaurs and the Humans ridding them? We’ve seen this many many times in this thread, starting with the Dino rider (page 215) = I can assure anons this Dogon Dino rider is no royal. The Dino duo pulling a cart statuette (page 496) also points out that the size of the cart was proportioned to the one of the Dinos. Is it practical for nowadays size humans to use a cart bigger than them? Of course not. We use objects proportioned to our current size, there is a standard when we built everything we do or manufacture it to fit our current size = our height. It was the same back then with this cart and with the size of the doors in megalithic sites. And I’m not sure if I should mention the Ica Stones (starting page 607) since it’s undetermined yet which ones are fake and which ones are real. But as I’ve said before, I think SOME of the stones with Dinosaurs depicted along with humans on them are authentic. And this would have opened a can of worms for (((them))) if the general public knew of this. I’ve already talked about the Ica stones, so I’m not going there again.
But all of these combined do not simply prove to us that humans co-existed with Dinosaurs, but that these giant animals were domesticated by humans and were proportioned in size with humans. We have the Dinosaurs skeletons to prove us their real size. So if we almost double the size of the current human and we compare the result with the size of the Dinosaur bones, what will we find out? Same thing as when we compare them to the size of the pyramids and Sphinx? Same thing as when we compare them to the size of the Big Doors? Same thing as when we compare them to the megalithic blocks etc.? Just the thought of humans co-existed with Dinosaurs, domesticated them and were proportioned to them is incredible. Oh! And it blows into oblivion Darwin’s evolution theory by the way, just like the existence of Noah’s Ark on Mt. Ararat does. Which brings me to my next point.
9- The SIZE of Noah’s Ark on Mt. Ararat: It’s HUGE isn’t it? It’s big enough to fit a Titan doesn’t it? Well, what if it really fitted Titans or should I say Giants? = people bigger in size than current us….then….Is the Ark really THAT big? If we calculate the size of the Ark to that the current size of man, then we calculate it to double the size of the current man? See the difference, just like what we have with the Dinos, the pyramids and the rest I just mentioned. And in Noah’s story, didn’t the Ark also shelter animals? So then….if Big size humans co-existed with Dinos, then….does that mean the Ark sheltered the Dinos as well? But most died from the cataclysm? Not a meteorite as we were “told”? Is this why we saw Dino like animals in Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt like the Serpopard (page 119)?
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d51cdb No.13259361
>>13259314
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Loads to think about, right anons? I hope now you understand why I’m going slow and why I have terrible headaches all the time. This is absolutely HUGE. It’s mind-blowing. The reader has no idea of the enormity of the work that lies ahead to make this research. It’s not impossible, it can be done, it can be proven, but just the scale of this project…it’s HUGE.
10 – I’ve already talked about the Costa Rica Stones. Right now, as I’m writing this, I don’t remember correctly if I mentioned the giant spheres could have been carved by big people. Sorry anons, right now, I’m super exhausted as I’m writing this. I just want to add these big spheres to the possibility they were carved by bigger than normal size humans.
11- When it comes to Giants, my last element is a hidden, silent one, almost invisible = The steps of the megalithic sites (page 542): Did anyone notice the depth of the steps on the megalithic sites, mostly those under the huge doors? I did. So tell me: how big is current human foot size? And if human were double current size, what will their foot size be? Those stairs are truly something. If I was double my current height, what happens to my foot size? Shouldn’t it also be bigger to support my height? And if my foot size was much bigger, doesn’t it need a “larger” step or stairs bigger to step on? We usually built the depths of the stairs steps to a standard fitting our current foot size, right? So why should it be different back then?
I want to caution anons to be watchful which construction phase the steps/stairs belong to, either if it’s in Tiwanaku site or the Inca sites because we have many construction phases there. In later generations, the Giants didn’t exist anymore. So make sure you check which construction phase the stairs/steps belong to before studying this.
You have no idea how big my smile is right now anons. I hope you are smiling too because such proportions and measurements can be easily calculated with a good team of serious researchers and it can be PROVEN. I’ve already sited so many pieces of evidence, not just one, but multiple. And as I progress I will add more pieces as I find them, but I do hope anons will add the stuff to the list themselves so I won’t waste time and repeat everything I’ve just said about this issue.
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d51cdb No.13259363
>>13259361
(Please read from the start)
One last comment about the Giants:
Look closely anons to how many Giants there was in each culture/civilization compared to the size of “shorter” (=our size) people. Not much. In fact, if you observe, there is a specific pattern of the giants being the “minority” of the demographic numbers. And this is a common point the Giants have with the ovoid skulls or the elongated skulls = their demographic numbers aren’t big.
If we look closely to Narmer Palette, Staff-God iconography on Gateway of the Sun and the Victory Stele of Naram-Sin (we can add much more artifacts and structures) we notice that there is ONE Giant with MANY normal size humans. This is a pattern we see in almost all of the representations we have = Many small size people, One or a few Big size persons.
This is an indicator the numbers of these giants weren’t that much = there wasn’t that many of them. But from just the quick look of several items, I also know they were scattered worldwide. They are not concentrated in one specific geographic location, but they existed everywhere. And this is supported by the myths of Giants worldwide. I even found a giant in Heartland Armenia – I’ve mentioned this before: It’s the Story of Haïg or Hayk. Haïg was famous for many things, and that includes him being a Giant = bigger, taller than normal people. And he is also famous for being the founding father or should I say the Patriarch of the Armenian people. In fact, if you ever get a chance to talk with an Armenian, they do NOT introduce themselves in their language as Armenians, but they say they are Haï as in the people of Haïg. This is how they refer to themselves: I’m Haï. It was the Greek that gave them a new name = Armenians and they were called like that by other civilizations ever since. The Greek did that to many civilizations and I totally dislike this practice of theirs to name things their way and not call them by their original way because they distorted history by doing so. It’s because of this practice that we have misunderstandings, mixed up attributions, confusion and even memory loss of the origins. And to make it worse, the Greek, explained the history and origins of such civilizations according to their own perspective, view, opinion and knowledge. They didn’t see them as they are, they saw them as they thought they should be. The Romans did the same and much worse. The Greeks did a great disservice to human history and this “twisting” continues to exist till nowadays. We still refer to the Armenians using the Greek word, the wrong name; but we don’t use the original Haï name, the correct word.
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d51cdb No.13259417
>>13259363
(Please read from the start)
All of what I said about the Giants also made me notice a specific pattern when they are concerned: they were exceptional people whom were either city founders (like Staff-God and Teotihuacan) and/or they were civilization/culture founders like Haïg and Narmer. For some reason, the Giants are like founding fathers and they always get in a position of leadership or power (depending on each case of course). They LEAD.
And I don’t mean only in a religious or political way, I also noticed they lead in teaching, educating the “normal” people into civilization. They teach them agriculture, mathematics, handcrafts, law, art, hunting, building, even how to fight etc. It’s like they brought their people out from the archaic age, or should I say from the age of chaos to the age of civilization or should I say order. All of these “founding” Giants I’ve mentioned so far in this thread have those common points. Which brings me WHEN they existed = at the beginning, just after the Flood survivors came out from the Ark. Tales and legends of Giants are there at the foundation stage, when people were starting to settle and build cities and started growing crops.
It’s very rare to see the presence of Giants in later periods. It’s there, but not that much. Like the story of Goliath versus David. That’s supposedly a much younger tale, not dating back thousands of years B.C. Even till this day, we still have very tall people around, not as tall as the Giants I’m talking about, but people that are taller than 2 m. I’ve put some pictures of them before in this thread. So just the existence of these people is proof that Bigger people than us existed at some time, long ago = it’s in the genes. It was transmitted down genetically, but it’s not a dominant gene, that’s why we see it pop out from time to time. But….if we compare our current standard height to the height of people in the Middle Ages for example, we feel like people were even shorter back then. So does this mean we are slowly getting taller as time passes by? I don’t know, but I’m surely curious to find things out.
Loads of people can dismiss all of the evidence I’ve presented and say it’s biased interpretation = the old man is seeing things as it pleases him. I’m fine with that. Let’s consider everything I’ve said so far about the Giants as circumstantial evidence. But then….what about the direct evidence/proof of the existence of bigger in size people? Like the skeletons unearthed and nowadays people being taller than 2 m? Genes don’t lie and they cannot be biased.
And this is where I’m stuck anons. It’s strange but I never saw a Giant’s skeletons before, not in the archives, not in the catalogues, not in my career. I’ve worked on the field, I’ve worked in archives and in research centers and I’ve read tones and tones of books, but I’ve never came close to a Giant skeleton nor knew of their existence worldwide this way. I’ve read stories, stories like the one of Haïg, but I always thought they were exaggerations and stretched out fantasies, folklore stories; maybe because I never saw a skeleton before. I was wrong. And I found out I was wrong when I came to this board and started lurking. Once the idea of the existence of Giants sank slowly into me, strangely enough, it explained a lot of things that had been bothering me when I was stuck in the Main Strean History tunnel. So I got out, slowly but surely, and I started to see the links connecting everything. But the Giants piece was not the major puzzle connecting piece. We are heading there. I’m going to stop here for now with the Giants and move on to the next point from this part of the world.
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053724 No.13261039
>>13259417
(Please read from the start)
The concepts of King-Priests (or Queen-Priestesses) shows up in almost all of the cultures and civilizations we’ve seen so far, including Ancient Egypt = pre-dynastic, Mesopotamia and Mesoamerica. They all started using this method of ruling and then at some point in time, the functions of a king = political ruler and the functions of a priest = religious ruler were separated. They were united, one at first, in the hands of one person. But then, they were separated and they became 2 functions in 2 persons = separation of power.
It goes the same for the City-State concept as well. This is how it all started, almost all of the cultures and civilizations had that system, but some at a certain point in time became empires or kingdoms. Just like before, with the King-Priest concept, something changed and from observation and patterns I have the impression both concepts stop existing around the same time. It’s like with the end of the King-Priest system the concept of the City-State was also abandoned.
And as anons have already guessed, I strongly believe these 2 concepts came from the pre-Flood era. While I’m going to keep on moving forward in this thread and each time I will encounter these 2 concepts, then anons would know what it means and where to put them. The more I found any worldwide, the more it proves I’m correct about these 2 concepts.
My next point is something new we didn’t see before in Ancient Egypt, in Mesopotamia and in Mesoamerica: it’s the Warrior Ladies. We didn’t see anything close to women fighters in Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia and Mesoamerica; but we did see queens ruling = holding power. In the Southern American continent we saw warrior ladies with the Tupi (page 312) and we have a reflection of it with the Incas with Mama Huaca fighting (page 499). With Ometepe, Nicaragua, sculptures, it was very clear that humans wore helmets with Birds of prey design (also others animals) as headgear and anons reading from the start this thread already know what I think about it. But one of the statues there has breasts as seen in the first picture in page 660, as I’ve said before, this MAY mean we have ladies wearing flying fighting gear just like men did up until now. But if the numbers of Giants were a few among the population, it seems the number of warrior ladies is even rarer than this. It’s like Fighter ladies are few among the few.
Another point is all of those spheres we’ve seen, mostly the Klerksdorp spheres. As I’ve talked about them before, I will again say that we can classify them into 2 categories: Those made before the Flood and those made after the Flood. This second category can also be divided into 2 sub-categories: Those man made and those naturally made. The Costa Rica Spheres, it’s still undetermined as to the real meaning about these spheres. Still loads of work to be done to be sure about them. But what I’m certain of is that the Klerksdorp small spheres have some type of connection with electricity; just like the Bagdad battery and the Pyramids of Giza. Were these spheres used to conduct electricity, create a force field/magnetic field, or were they used like light bulbs, etc.? I don’t know. But I do feel like the ones that were from after the Flood and man made are like am attempt by the survivor to reconstruct the ancient technology they had before the Flood occurred.
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053724 No.13261100
>>13261039
(Please read from the start)
I want to talk next about the WHEEL: In page 550, we found out that the Inca knew of the existence of the wheel but didn’t use it. Back then, if I remember correctly, I said it was understandable because of the sort of terrain we had in the Andes and because there weren’t any domesticated animals that could pull a cart or a chariot. When we take a look at the Llamas, they are mostly used for the skin and meat, not to pull carts or riding. So this is explains why the Incas knew but didn’t use the wheel = not practical, not adapted for the terrain.
Now keep that in mind and take another look at the statuette in page 496 of what looks like to be raptors. I’ve said before that their positioning is a classical representation when 2 “domesticated” animals are pulling a cart. We certainly don’t have the “cart” artifact, we only have half an artifact if you ask me. But doesn’t a cart have wheels? And that statuette is from the vicinity of Tiwanaku.
I’ve mentioned before that the Incas copied and took over the culture of the Tiwanaku. For me, this is how the Inca got acquainted to the wheel. And regardless if these are dinos pulling the cart in Tiwanaku culture or not, it also means there were some type of domesticated animals that were strong and resilient enough to pull a cart up on mountain slopes. But somehow, somewhere, something happened, and those animals “vanished” = didn’t exist anymore and it results in = no animals strong enough to pull carts, which forced later generations, like with the Incas, to abandon the use of the wheel. Which brings me to: the thought of the birth place of the wheel was in the Middle East, specifically in Mesopotamia; around 5000 or 6000 B.C. With no contact prior to Columbus between the Americas and Europe, how did the wheel get in the Andes?
Personally, it’s proof that Tiwanaku is much much much older than what is claimed by the Main Stream History. And if you combine this with the Megalithic constructions, mythical existence of Giants, the F.M.B. and the Pokotia monolith along with the proto-Sumerian inscriptions, red hair, elongated skulls, it all lead me to solidify my initial thoughts of Tiwanaku being built by the survivors of the Great Flood.
And talking about the Great Flood, we have it present in some of the myths of the Southern American continent. But the greatest piece of evidence is once again = Tiwanaku and its vicinity, including Titicaca Lake.
It’s so obvious that entire region has still many secrets to reveal. I bet we barely scratched the surface of the discoveries there. I’m certain there are still unearthed sites, monuments and artifacts in the fields all around Tiwanaku = still under the soil. If anons go back to read about it, it is said that what looks like a road were found extending from Tiwanaku. But the unearthing of the dino statuette and mostly the F.M.B. in the vicinity of Tiwanaku sites are proof there is more under the soil. Just visually checking how close Tiwanaku, Titicaca Lake and Aramu muru is enough to make me understand people went there by foot, from one site to the other. We shouldn’t forget the structures and temple under the water surface of Titicaca Lake.
All of this and we shouldn’t forget the fossilized remains of multiple species of sea life all around Tiwanaku = the greatest piece of evidence that the entire area and along with it the entire Andean mountain range was under SEA water at some point in time – as written back in those pages. It’s absolutely mind blowing, mostly if we consider the altitude of Tiwanaku = around 3900 m above current sea level. Which in turn also proves that I was correct when I declared, talking about Caral/ Norte Chico (if my memory is not betraying me), that people didn’t live on the coast at first. The earliest human settlements in the Andes were on the mountains and as the water receded people started to go down the slopes and finally reached the coast.
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053724 No.13261121
>>13261100
(Please read from the start)
This location = Tiwanaku totally captivated me and it’s almost identical to Heartland Armenia with Mt. Ararat. Over there as well, all around the Ark, we have sea life fossils, in fact, the Ark itself is fossilized. But also, people emerged from the Ark on a High altitude plateau and as the water of the Great Flood receded, they started to go downstream, navigating through the Euphrates…and they spread out in all directions. And of course, the survivors of the Great Flood brought along with them their technology and mostly their knowledge.
Some of the information we’ve got about the Great Flood, either from artifacts or from myths are similar to what we’ve already seen before in this thread, like the presence of that ONE = SINGLE black cloud. But we also have now a strong confirmation that it was not just Noah and his immediate family that survived the cataclysm, but many people did = much more. So you see anons, that section from the Bible where it said that only Noah and his family survived, it turned out to be false. We have echoes of this when you read the “other” versions of the Epic of Gilgamesh. But as I always say: it’s the text that MUST match the archaeological artifact and NOT the archaeological artifact that must match the text. The presence of Tiwanaku in itself proves that more than ONE family survived the Great Flood and that current day humans are NOT all the descendants of Noah.
Which brings me to ask: how did the survivors in Tiwanaku made it out? Well, I’m not certain, but we do have a new element in the MIX we’ve uncovered in the region = the caves. Many, many stories and myths from the region tell of people coming out from caves. It’s even supported by archaeological artifacts including the mural from Teotihuacan where people are coming out from a mountain (page 295). And all of this is also connected to Mesoamerica as I’ve explained before about the Staff-god reaching all the way there. In Mesoamerica we have several reliefs which echo our findings in the Andes.
The sunken temple at the bottom of Titicaca Lake along with the erupting volcano on the Tikal relief (page 250) along with my findings in the Middle East are proof that the cataclysm wasn’t just exclusive to lots of rain coming down from the sky and flooding the world. But they also show there were great changes to the earth and the geography, which lasted some time. It wasn’t a small event that took place for a limited amount of time, this happened on a grand scale and it lasted a long time and it affected at least 2/3 of the planet, as seen so far. So this section in the Bible also, about the Great Flood = the cataclysm that wiped out humanity being caused exclusively by diluvial Rain is also false since now we have more and more pieces showing us that many changes occurred and the disaster had many aspects to it: not just rain.
Which brings me to organize the survivors into 2 categories:
1- Those whom survived by boarding the Ark.
2- Those whom survived by taking refuge underground.
And since we are talking about caves/underground, let me talk once more about Aramu muru, more like: it and its vicinity.
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053724 No.13261132
>>13261121
(Please read from the start)
For the idea of a Stargate, I would like to ask anons to be patient about it. I will be gathering more pieces before talking a bit more about this.
I already went a bit in the tunnel of Aramu muru as a site and gave my take on it, so I’m not going there once more. What I want to talk about is the rock itself and what’s close to it.
The geographical location of Aramu muru is close to that of Titicaca Lake and the site of Tiwanaku = within walking distance. And it’s clear from the F.M.B. and the “portal” of Aramu muru that religious processions used to happen from Tiwanaku to Aramu muru and from those 2 to Titicaca Lake.
When I looked closely to the Rock on which Aramu muru was carved out from, it’s obvious it’s a natural rock, carved, used and the ones doing so kept it “organic” sort of speak. It’s like they kept the natural shape of the rock and camouflaged the human interventions and changes made to it. I think this was some sort of natural cavern or partial cave used by humans and it’s clear that some big chunks = blocks fell, collapsed from Aramu muru. When you take a look at this RED rock formation, it is not just limited to Aramu muru “portal” rock, but it extends to kilometers.
After taking a look, it’s obvious there is more to that reddish formation than them being simple natural rocks. I believe somehow, someway, they were natural rock formation that are connected to all that took place there. In the myth of the Giants, it was said that they first emerged from the waters of Titicaca Lake. Viracocha also emerged from the waters. I hope I remembered that one right. So I’m wondering, if the survivors of the Great Flood emerged from the vicinity, could they have found refuge within this rock formation at first? And along with time, through many younger generations, these rocks, including the one Aramu muru was built on, became sacred and the cult of the ancestors as well as divination + stargazing were practiced. Were the shamans of later generations trying to contact the spirits of their ancestors there? = the survivors of the Great Flood. It’s possible.
The big reddish rock formation I’ve attached a picture of in page 562 needs to be very closely examined. If these rocks were some sort of natural caves that housed the survivors of the Great Flood until they built Tiwanaku, then, these rocks will have traces on them. From murals, to inscriptions, to petroglyphs to pottery shreds etc.
And this brings me to answer the anons whom posted about what is known at the Sphinx of Romania: Yes, it does look like the Sphinx from this angle. But it doesn’t necessarily mean it is one. This could end up being a natural rock formation heavily eroded by the wind.
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053724 No.13261166
>>13261132
(Please read from the start)
First, you gotta look at it from 360 degrees, not just one specific angle. Second, if this was a manmade Ancient Sphinx, there should be some type of human traces on it, around it, and if there are caves and corridors inside, we should find human traces as well. Like what type of human traces, like carvings or murals on walls, like pottery shreds, like petroglyphs, like if there are corridors inside, the walls should be have a smooth surface etc. Human presence always leaves traces, if this was a sphinx made by humans, we should find a specific type of trace. If this is a natural rock formation where humans took shelter in, then we should find another set of specific type of trace. This is like walking into a crime scene and we know from the blood splatter if the victim was killed by a knife or shot with a gun. For us it’s the same, we take a look at what we got and what type of evidence it is before knowing if it’s this or that. If there is not a single trace of humans, then it’s just a simply rock formation eroded by the wind.
I will advise the researcher not to look how things are on the outside, but also try to find traces of humans = it’s like they are invisible fingerprints left behind. So if something looks like the Sphinx of Giza on the outside, it doesn’t necessarily mean it is one. Try to find the invisible fingerprints left behind. Always look for more than what your eyes can see at first glance. It’s what I did with Aramu muru, I saw plenty of stuff there that escaped loads of people, including the 2 persons whom made those videos. So dear researcher reading this, look beyond what you have in front of you. Also for people whom like to explore personally such place, always keep in mind to NOT damage the site when you visit or some pieces of evidence will be lost forever.
Moving onto another subject that has been troubling me for some time now; when I say trouble, it’s more like it’s hovering in my mind: it’s the symbol of Archangel Michael. We’ve seen it tattooed on the mummified remains of a Christian lady in Sudan (page 132), so we know it’s linked to Christianity. I also think I identified it among the Paracas geoglyphs in Palpa (page387). What’s troubling me is its use by the Satanist as one of (((their))) symbols. Sure (((they))) modified it a bit, (((they))) always like to add (((their))) twist to things. But I’ve been wondering if this symbol isn’t something more than what we think of. I don’t think it’s evil or bad. I believe it’s similar to Saint Peter’s cross, even the Christian cross = taken by (((they))) and twisted, disfigured and given a new symbolic meaning for them.
I looked around just a tiny bit, and I even found a similar symbol in the print left by one of the Sumerian cylinder seals. So I’m wondering what’s it really about? Does it represent Saturn? Or is this the opening of the portal? Is this a heraldic sign?
Oh and by the way, please look closely to the imprint of the seal I’ve attached with this page: he’s got wings and he is holding a staff. Also I think he is stepping out from a valley between 2 mountains: when I looked around only one place matched: Mount-Lebanon, Beqaa valley, Anti-Lebanon. I hope anons noticed the 2 columns on each side of the central design and on top there is an arm: from elbow to tip of fingers, clenched in a fist, both oriented to your right hand side. If you look closely, on the inner side of both columns, starting from the height of the arm all the way down the columns body, even exceeding the columns length a bit downwards. It looks like a long stick but it’s uncertain. It’s interesting, isn’t it?
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053724 No.13261580
>>13261166
(Please read from the start)
The last 2 points I want to talk about are interlinked with one another. Let me start with the geoglyphs in general, then talk about the Nazca Lines.
I think the petroglyphs are linked to the geoglyphs. I believe that when the survivors came out, they started to leave marks on rocks, then with time, they kept on doing so, but also went big scale and started doing the geoglyphs. For me there is no question the first place for the geoglyphs to have appeared in is the vicinity of the Tiwanaku site.
It’s clear it all started as agriculture fields being given specific shapes. If anons study the agriculture and irrigation methods they will find out how the raised fields of Tiwanaku were given forms, some of birds, some geometric and the one on that hill, looks like half a solar disk from above, not sure though; the problem is that those geoglyphs are terribly damaged by erosion. Is this a sign they have been there the longest? Maybe. What is also notable about these geoglyphs is the use of the wells to mark the eyes of the bird’s designs. This incorporation of the irrigation system to the geoglyph design is also pointing me to the agricultural origin = starting point, for the geoglyphs.
We know there was an exodus from the site of Tiwanaku: people left, migrated, regrouped in other locations. This is how I believe the knowledge of the geoglyphs spread. This also helped me find the migration itinerary from the Andes all the way to Mesoamerica; as I’ve talked about in previous pages.
Some of the later cultures evolved and developed the geoglyphs from the agriculture starting point, like the Paracas culture. We started to see various designs which can be classified into many categories and catalogues can be made of. What is remarkable about the Paracas geoglyphs:
1 – They are mostly ignored by both Main Stream and Alternative History.
2- They are mostly drawn on slopes or hill sides which can be seen from neighboring hills, far away and from the sky.
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053724 No.13261605
>>13261580
(Please read from the start)
3- Their closeness to ruins, indicates people used to live, exist next to them and miraculously the geoglyphs were not erased, nor heavily damaged.
4- I believe they MIGHT outnumber the geoglyphs done by the Nazcas.
5- They lost their agricultural “link”, connection and they evolved into artistic and possibly astronomical meaning.
6- Upon close inspection on the designs commonly known as the airplane runways, look closely how the mountain was “cleared” and “leveled” just enough space in order to draw the geoglyph. It gives you the impression they kinda squeezed them onto the small terrain they managed to flatten.
7- Upon close inspection on the designs, some subjects are totally mind boggling. Like the ones I’ve put on page 386, which is similar to the famous relief of Akhenaten worshiping Aton. Or the ones looking like several boats (page 388), shaped like what we see on the Naqada pottery or the rock carvings in Ancient Egypt. Those… I don’t know what to say… Am I seeing stuff that isn’t there? I keep on doubting what my eyes see because it’s completely mind boggling. I wish I could get a drone equipped with very good resolution camera fly from a distance above these specific geoglyphs; taking many pictures from different angles and from different times of day so that we can have a better idea if what I saw is correct or if my eyes are playing a trick on me. I’m having a hard time believing this. But if what I said turns out to be true, then it makes perfectly sense why the Paracas geoglyphs are “forgotten” and ignored by both Main Stream and Alternative History.
8- It’s clear, for me at least, that the Paracas geoglyphs came before the Nazca geoglyphs. And there might be a possibility of an evolution from the old to the new via “style”, if someone cares to study it, to see if there is a mutation or evolution from Paracas to Nazca geoglyphs.
9- I think designs from both Nazca & Paracas cultures should be compared to textile, pottery and metallurgic etc. designs; it’s obvious there is a link there.
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053724 No.13261659
>>13261605
(Please read from the start)
And this brings me to the Nazca geoglyphs:
1-The information about both the Nazca culture and the Lines didn’t make any sense to me. It felt like they were chasing their own tail, turning round and round, stuck in a tourniquet made of loads of words but barely any information in it all. And this was done by both Main Stream and Alternative History. Which brings me to wonder: what are (((they))) hiding? Why are (((they))) muddying the water? What (((they))) don’t want us to discover?
2-At this stage, it’s clear the Nazca geoglyphs are FAR AWAY from their starting point = agriculture connection. It’s also clear the “art” of making geoglyphs has reached its peak: from designs, to astronomical connections etc. And this shows there is an “evolution” in the making of the geoglyphs, from starting point to the peak and then of course there is a decline. It’s just the same as what we see happen to pottery, textile etc. craftsmanship in a civilization: there is always a start, a peak and then a decline in the work style and designs. Here, I can see it’s the same. This means anons interested in this can make incredible progress by starting to take pictures and catalogue everything, classify them into different categories depending on various norms then start to build the “bridges” of the evolution between each culture and each style. Anons shouldn’t forget or ignore the “raw” data when making the catalogues.
3-Maybe I missed it (so please let me know if it’s the case) but I didn’t notice any Nazca geoglyph drawn on the side of a hill, like what we saw with the Paracas culture and with some of the geoglyphs outside of Peru. When the geoglyphs are drawn on slops like that, they could be seen from neighboring hills or from above. But if the geoglyphs are solely drawn on a flat surface like it’s the case of the Nazcas, then the best way to view them without missing them is from the sky. All Nazca Lines are drawn on a HORIZONTAL FLAT surface and this brings me to my next point.
4-The Nazcas, in a mind boggling way, managed to somehow flatten = level huge areas of mountain tops. Those mountain tops should have that curvy shape we see in the entire area, but somehow the Nazcas managed to level everything in a perfect horizontal surface. It’s after this was accomplished that they drew their lines on that flattened surface. If I take measurements from different points on the surface, am I going to find out it’s the same level? Does it have a few degrees inclination? Doesn’t seem that way, but better be sure. How many cubic meters of soil they removed anyway? It’s HUGE. How on earth did they manage to remove them? Using buckets and shovels? If that’s the case, how many years did it take them to do it and how many workers did they use for such a work? Is this even humanly possible to accomplish manually?
The Nazcas went into so much trouble of changing the landscape JUST to draw the geoglyphs. Which in my opinion is a sign of their importance of significance to the Nazcas. You don’t remove entire mountain tops on such a scale to make mud pies and play with soil mixed with pebbles. This gotta be some profound, deep, mostly religious meaning in order to make people attached and be dedicated to this type of work = creating the geoglyphs. For them to go to such extremes as to level huge areas like this means those geoglyphs were very important to them. We’ve come a long way from the start with the agricultural connection we saw with the Tiwanaku culture. And this is not a transition, evolution, mutation that can be done quickly and easily in a few decades. This needs many generations, centuries. Because the younger generation “forgot” or “lost” the original meaning of the geoglyphs = related to agriculture and their meaning evolved to become one linked to religion and astronomy.
One last question: where did they dump the removed soil?
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053724 No.13261682
>>13261659
(Please read from the start)
5-One of the greatest mysteries about the Nazca geoglyphs is to figure out how they were drawn. From what I can remember about it, it was said the Nazca geoglyphs were drawn using two stakes, like seen in the first picture I’ve attached to page 422. Well anons, I’m not at ease with what was said.
First, I want to take a look at those stakes. They said they are from perishable material so not many survived. If anyone can find any genuine pictures of these stakes, it would be great if they are shared with us in this thread. What I’m interested in is to see the upper and lower extremities of these stakes. Why is that? Let me explain:
From what I remember written about them, the few rare stakes that were found that were still “in situ” = on site, in the ground, at the end of some, SOME, of the designs. And I have a problem with that. A BIG problem. I know that during construction - from Ancient times till now; yes, even in modern day construction - the equipment used to build are removed once the construction is done, finished. From scaffolding, to hand tools, to cranes etc., all of them are removed from the construction site, regardless what you are building and regardless the age it was built in. Once the job is done, either it’s a medieval house, a Greek temple or the Trump tower, you don’t see building material and equipment on the construction site once the job is done. And this includes the Giza pyramids site; no one found any construction equipment on site or the mystery of how the pyramids were built would have been solved LOOOOONNNNGGGGG ago. The only sites that do have such equipment buried are the sites that the work was interrupted during construction for some reason, and the site was evacuated or simply abandoned as it is: the workers never came back.
So you see anons, if those stakes were used to draw the lines why weren’t they removed and taken away by the workers with them to their homes or put in a tool shed? Does the reader have a hammer at home? I do. When my wife wants to hang a new frame, I go to my tool box, take it out, use it and put it back in place so no one, mostly the kids, won’t get harmed by it since it’s a heavy object. I certainly don’t leave my hammer on the floor where I hang the frame for her. Also, if she asks me to hang 2 frames: one in our bedroom and the second one in the dining room, does this means I have to use 2 hammers, one for each frame to hang? Or will I use one hammer to get the job done? The answer is obvious.
Well, it’s the same with the tools drawing the Nazca geoglyphs. First, if you use the stakes to draw the lines, these stakes should be special as in they were cut and shaped according to special measurements in order to get the job right; from length to width to the type of wood they are made of. But most importantly such “tools” are usually cut according to standard measurements like inches, centimeters or cubits etc. You don’t grab just any stakes from a field and you start to draw the lines.
Second, when you are drawing the lines using the stakes, once the job is finished, you pack your tools, including the stakes and you go back home, right? You don’t leave any of your tools behind. If you do, then it means you gotta remake the tool, in this case remake the stake with specific shape and measurements.
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053724 No.13261710
>>13261682
(Please read from the start)
Third, if it’s sooooo easy to draw the geoglyphs using these stakes, why not draw 2 in the same day? Let’s pretend the shaman decided he wants to draw the monkey and the spider geoglyph designs in one day, then how many stakes do they need to get the job done? How many trees they need to cut in order to make that many stakes? Whom is going to carry all of those stakes to the site? I don’t know about you anons, but for me, this sounds like a giant acupuncture session, if this took place. What? They removed the stakes at some places and kept them in other places? Isn’t that simply a sloppy job? And if we look to the precision in the making of the geoglyphs, do you think such sloppiness would have been accepted by the shamans? Nothing makes sense here.
All of this brings me to the extremities of these stakes. Let’s start with the lower one =
If this hypothesis of using stakes to draw the geoglyphs is correct, then the lower extremity of these stakes could be one of these 2 types (as I’ve put in the picture):
A- A flat extremity: if this is the case, then it means the stakes were simply held on the surface of the ground while a third person somehow drew a straight line for kilometers between the 2 stakes, without anyone’s hand shaking or getting tired during the entire process of drawing the line for such a long distance.
B- A poinyt extremity, like pyramidal or conic shape: then it means the workers must have planted the stakes in the ground in order to stabilize them, or dug small holes for them to be stuck in. If this is the case, then where are the holes in the ground where the stakes should have been planted in? Remember how (((they))) told us that the Nazca Lines were super delicate, fragile but somehow, miraculously they managed to evade erosion, mostly wind and frost erosion? (= while the Giza pyramids blocks, made from the same type of stone, were damaged by erosion: yeah, right!) Well, if this is the case, then where are the holes where the stakes should fit in? If the drawn lines were preserved, why aren’t the holes where the stakes fit in were also preserved? Where are they? There should be many of them; at least 2 on each line = one at each extremity of the line. But….strangely….we didn’t find any traces at all. So this is type of extremity is the less likely one used.
Then let’s examine the upper extremity of these stakes:
C- A plain upper side: if the upper side of the stake is plain, then it was used as a handle where the worker holds the stake to work with.
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053724 No.13261744
>>13261710
(Please read from the start)
D- A perforation in the upper side: if a hole or some sort of perforation exist on the upper part of the stake then this could have many meanings, depending on the size or the shape of the hole; like the hole could be to tie a rope from one stake to the other, or it can be used to grab the stake easier, not make it slippery in the hand etc.
E- A perforation in the middle section: Same as D but the hole is in the middle not on the upper part of the stake.
I’ve made a little drawing for anons (previous page) so they could understand me better by having a visual of what I’m trying to explain.
Why am I talking about all of this? Notice how many Ifs I’m going to say next anons = it’s a theory.
IF it turned out to be true that such stakes were dug out from the end of some designs, and IF it turns out there is a perforation on the stake (doesn’t matter if it’s D or E) and IF it turned out the lower part of the stake is pointy, then it means these stakes were there because something was tied to them.
Using ropes or threads, ribbons, small flags or anything that has to do with textile can be tied through those holes (IF they exist on the stakes). We also shouldn’t forget that the Nazca, as well as the other cultures in the region, had a good textile production. So if I combine the 2 “possibilities” I’m thinking of the textile might have been cut, then covered the designs. From above, the geoglyphs covered in textile (with white color or multi colorful) would have looked like the 2 pictures I’ve attached along with this page.
Now anons, you can start laughing, I know this theory of mine is absolutely ridiculous and it only depends on the mysterious stake’s shapes = if they had holes in them or not, if they had pointy bottoms are not. The reason I’m writing about this is to show anons how can little insignificant details make a huge difference in archaeological interpretation. In this theory case of mine, everything depends on the shape of the stakes. I cannot be conclusive about it because I didn’t see the stakes. And this is a wrong way to theorize about details or object that might or might not exist. It’s better to have the item in our hands, see what’s on it and draw information from it. I’ve been doing this in this thread. Each and every single artifact I’ve talked about and/or posted pictures about is a “SOURCE”: the information is in it, or should I say ON it because the artifacts are information themselves. And I’m repeating this one more time: the written text should match the artifact, NOT the artifact matching the text. So please anons, DO NOT RUSH, take your time and be observant.
One last comment about the stakes: it would be really great if someone reading can get a picture of the stakes so I can examine them. I tried to find one, but failed.
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053724 No.13261774
>>13261744
(Please read from the start)
So anons, you see, I’m not convinced one bit about this theory of some stakes being used to draw the Nazca geoglyphs. Well, if I think about it, maybe yes, it can work on the small scale designs. I mean really small scale. But I’m not convinced one nano second about such stakes being used to draw the big scale geoglyphs.
I’m thinking some type of glass or should I say some type of lens was used. We use something of the sort in topography equipment. But what bothers me the most are those straight lines and the curvy parts = those are identical in their diameter, making them perfect semi-circles. If these lines were done by hand then can someone explain how did we get such perfectly straight lines for such a long distance? How did they make those perfect semi-circles like that? Did they use some type of mold or something? Anons, go grab a stake and get out to your yard, try to draw 3 semi-circles in the ground, what will you get? Do the same with the straight lines: try to draw 3 of them going for a long distance. Mine started going diagonal after a few steps even after I stretched a rope on the ground and I drew my line parallel to the rope. And did anyone study the width of these lines? From the many pictures I’ve looked at online, I noticed the width of each design is the same, it doesn’t change. This means whomever did this were also considerate of keeping the same width for the entire design and they kept on checking it with measuring tools.
Also I’m very troubled by how the geoglyphs were preserved. We’ve seen some on slopes and some near ruins where people used to live and work and yet, the geoglyphs are still undamaged. The flip flopping about the erosion is extraordinary: the number of times they flip flopped about this made me dizzy. And I don’t believe a zit about what was said about wind erosion. I know it doesn’t rain much in the region, but not a single data about the precipitations, the humidity. I’m sure at this altitude there is also frost, mostly at night, with the temperature difference between night and day = huge temperature drops. I’ve been wondering for some time if the lines weren’t coated by some type of mixture made of animal fat and something else. If this is the case, then it can create some type of protective layer to preserve the lines. I don’t have anything to support these words, I’m just thinking out loud here.
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053724 No.13261777
>>13261774
(Please read from the start)
HOW the geoglyphs are drawn is still a mystery; it’s still unsolved. But WHY the geoglyphs were drawn, the answer has always been right in front of our eyes: to be SEEN.
Let’s go back to the beginning of the geoglyphs if anons want to understand why I’m saying these words. Everything started with the Tiwanaku geoglyphs. These were originally agricultural fields, please go back and read how the fields were build. So these fields were built that way but they were shaped as animals (mostly) in order to get attention = to be noticed. A field shaped like a bird is eye catching, isn’t it? Anons, also know that I’ve said before these geoglyphs are meant to be seen from above. So let’s combine the 2 ideas: the geoglyphs are shaped like birds in order to draw attention to them and they are meant to be seen from above.
Anons, use your imagination a bit: If you are trapped on an island after your survived a boat wreck what will you do? You will try to find shelter, gather water and food to survive and try to start a fire to warm yourself up. But in the same time you will also be hopeful and waiting for rescue to come save you. So you will prepare for it, right? You know rescue will come either by boat or by air = chopper or plane. So you would be thinking to attract the attention of the rescuers, try to make them notice you are on that specific island.
What will you do? = You can start a big fire so the smoke will get their attention if they are rescuing you by boat or plane. Or you will write a giant S.O.S. = international distress signal using some rocks in a place where a plane could see it = you signaling your presence on the island – or draw it in the sand.
Anons shouldn’t forget that we are dealing with the survivors of the Great Flood here. These people somehow survived a huge cataclysm. And they found themselves stranded in a place they know nothing about. They built homes and practiced agriculture because they were hungry and they needed shelter. But this doesn’t mean they gave up on being rescued, still hoping help will come somehow. So they built their fields in these specific shapes in order to get attention to them = to signal their presence in this area. And if we combine that these geoglyphs were meant to be seen from above, then I will say the survivors built the geoglyphs to signal their presence to “above” = to be seen from above.
And here comes the Bird of Prey headgear along with the Quimbaya airplane artifacts we’ve seen before in this thread. A lot of people in both the Main Stream History and the Alternative History never combine the 2 even though they argue about their existence.
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053724 No.13261800
>>13261777
(Please read from the start)
Remember the legend/myth of the Ayar brothers? When one of the brothers suddenly grew wings to fly over = check out the area to find a good location to settle in? What if the people in Tiwanaku didn’t just had such flying equipment themselves, but they were also aware that other survivors had ones as well. So how do you get the attention of someone NOT from the area flying over like this Ayar brother did? How do you get the attention of a survivor from another location and get him to realize there are survivors settled here? = You create a signal that the survivor flying over will recognize. What is this signal? Well, I’ve got 4 Tiwanaku geoglyphs so far and 2 of them have birds design. Seems the bird design means something, more than just the animal.
Why mostly birds? I kept on turning this question in my head over and over until I remembered that the Jet suits have a bird’s helmet for most of them. When anons examine the number of these Jet suits, they will notice that something close to 90 % of them have a Bird of Prey helmet while around 10 % have Feline helmet design. From the looks of it, it seems the Birds of Prey design is the most common one and the Feline design is the lesser one. So there is a possibility the geoglyph bird design was chosen to signal the presence of people belonging to the same faction as the Birds of Prey helmets.
If there was a rather good quantity of those flying individual Jet suits, so how come we didn’t find any of them so far? This is a good question and I’m unable to find an answer to it. It’s one of the points where I’ve been stuck in for some time now.
But these Jet suits were not the only flying machinery out there. We also have bigger planes that could carry more than one individual, at least. We have seen them with the Quimbaya artifacts. Anons, please, just take a very close look at the first picture in page 567. Did you notice the various plane designs, including the head of different animals? I think there is a possibility each plane wasn’t shaped like that, but the animal represents which faction the plane belonged to. Also anons, notice the one in the upper right corner, the one with the propeller; it looks like the planes we had during WWI or WWII. Some anons wonder what are the hidden technologies kept from us by the Bloodlines. I say we can divide the list into 2 categories: 1 – the ones still hidden from us – 2 – the ones we already know about.
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053724 No.13261857
>>13261800
(Please read from the start)
Now if we look at the Quimbaya artifact from the same page, same picture, the one at the bottom left corner, it has some type of spiral on each of the wings – also seen as last picture on page 563). I’ve also seen this one before. I’ve seen it in that big carrier like airplane from the Avengers, the one with Fury as commander. We’ve also seen such planes in multiple movies. But the army also has similar planes with propellers not in front but on the wings. Please check the pictures I’m attaching with this page anons.
Also now it’s time to link these Quimbaya artifacts with others from the places we’ve seen so far. Some of the designs from the Quimbaya artifacts collection match some of the designs from the Helicopter glyph (starting page 93). Both are IDENTICAL to nowadays fighter jet plane used by the army. Now that is incredible by itself. These designs are old, very old. We are the ones imitating them nowadays; and not them imitating or copying us.
The Saqqara bird artifact (starting page 100) is also some type of flying machinery. Is it something like a fighter jet plane or is it something like the Jet suits with a Birds of prey helmet? I’m a bit more inclined to see it as the second option = individual jet suit with a bird of prey helmet. For now, this is how I see it. Anon shouldn’t forget that flying crafts were also mentioned in Ancient Egypt myths like the one Ra used.
What I known is the Anunnaki flying crafts are from both categories. I’m adding the picture for anons to understand that there is a fighter jet and an individual jet suit used by the Anunnakis. Also seen in Behistun inscription (starting page 8); not to forget we already read about a flying craft in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
When it comes to Mesoamerica, there are 2 artifacts there connected to flight and flying crafts:
The first one is Pakal’s sarcophagus lid (starting page 251). This one I’m personally unsure of because I’m having a very hard time seeing anything when it comes to the many designs in Mesoamerica. They are so intertwined that I’m getting completely crossed eyed and I’m unable to distinguish what is depicted. Sorry about that. So I’m personally unsure where to put this one since I’m unable to check it out myself.
The second one is the clay statue of a person sitting, from the Totonac civilization (page 263). If we look closely anons, this guy is wearing flying gear. This is a plane pilot we’ve got on our hands, not a Jet suit pilot. We see the later with the Aztec clay statue on page 281.
When it comes to the Andean region, well, there are multiple examples, so I won’t be naming them. But I will point out that we have 2 different types of flying crafts, just like what we’ve seen in the movie Tron: 1 – Fighter jet plane type – 2 – Jet suit type. We’ve also seen the fighter jet plane type with its head shaped like an animal in the cartoon called “The Mysterious Cities of Gold” = the Condor (page 336).
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053724 No.13261906
>>13261857
(Please read from the start)
For me, this also explains how we have many After-Flood sites, sites that were built by the survivors like Teotihuacan and Tiwanaku, that have some type of matching with constellations. Giza’s pyramids are built before the Flood, so I’m not going to count them in this. But their existence points out that the survivors of the Flood re-used the old traditions. It seems matching the stars when it comes building a site is a habit that comes from before the Flood and the survivors kept it on going. It’s only after the first generation passed away, and the younger ones took over, that knowledge was somehow forgotten or changed form into having some religious meaning. This goes for all the sites that were built after the Flood. The one I’m uncertain of is Saqqara.
As for the Nazca Lines, I think by the time the Nazca people were drawing the geoglyphs, they had all forgotten about the original reason why the geoglyphs were drawn in the first place. By then, the geoglyphs have mutated and their purpose changed into becoming something connected to astronomy and religon.
Everything brings me back to the Epic of Gilgamesh where it was said that when the Flood started, some of the gods were scared and they ran away and retreated to the Anu Heaven (page 41 – the storm – line 10). Also in page 39, notable number 5: violent storm that caused the gods to retreat to heaven. I understand this as in some escaped the Food by flying away, which is logical if you have airplanes available, right?
So now, we return to our Flood; we’ve got more details about it = people survived by boarding the Ark, by hiding into caves/underground and we just found out that people have survived boarding planes and use them to escape. Which in turn explains how Fighter jet planes and Jet suits (we’ve already seen in this thread) got to the hands of the Flood survivors.
I’ve brought up the following point before: where are they? Where are the Fighter jet planes and where are the Jet suits? Why can’t we find traces of them? Well, I cannot answer that about the Jet suits for now; one thing is for sure about them, the Bloodlines know about them or we wouldn’t be seeing them in Hollywood movies nor as part as new military futuristic projects.
As for the fighter jet planes, we do have them. I mean they were found. And I got to thank the UFO community for that. See all of those “crash sites” the UFO community keep on talking about, mostly the alien spaceships that crashed onto earth. All of these mysteries about what is under Area 51, anons guessed it: this old man doesn’t think these are alien made. The old man thinks these are pre-flood aircraft used by people trying to escape the cataclysm that took place. And some might have crash landed and found many years later and taken in secret by the Bloodlines to (((their))) underground facilities. There, these crafts were studied and reverse engineered from long ago, even before WWI. And if we add to the mix the messages got by the Vril society… We can easily see how the Bloodlines re-created or should I say reconstructed the same aircrafts that used to exist before the Flood. And this explains how nowadays aircrafts look similar if not identical to ancient imagining of these machines.
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053724 No.13262281
>>13261906
(Please read from the start)
Amazingly, the ship used by the Guardians of the Galaxy: the Benatar – not sure if the name is correct – is incredibly close in its design to an Eagle or Bird of Prey. It’s an incredible match for the one we see in the cartoon “The Mysterious Cities of Gold”. If anons watch the scenes with that ship from the Guardians or Avengers, how it lands and how it flies, it’s identical to how eagles fly, including how the wings open and fold. Doesn’t this ship also match the Quimbaya artifacts design?
I’ve stated before that if people were bigger in size, then they could lift the megalithic stones – up to some point. I still stand with that, but this doesn’t explain how people managed to move these blocks from the quarry to the construction site = many kilometers apart. Well, if the stones get on the site, bigger people can lift them and put them in place. But how did they get to the construction site in the first place from so far away? This question has been troubling thousands of researchers worldwide, including me. Until it occurred to me: what if those blocks were air lifted to the construction site from the quarry?
If we combine the existence of ancient planes, like the fighter jet plane we were just talking about with the existence of the megalithic blocks, can those planes be used to lift the construction blocks to the site? And when they are “dropped off” bigger size people just lift them with ropes and handles and put them in place. If anons noticed, the flying machinery exists in Ancient Egypt where we also have megalithic blocks. It’s the same for the Andean region. These are fresh thoughts for me as well anons, so I think we better take it easy and slow on this one. I hope to find more clues as I progress.
The last “pair of wings I want to talk about is the Griffin. We’ve seen him in SOME not ALL of the civilizations/cultures in this thread. What is a Griffin: “a mythical creature with the head and wings of an eagle and the body of a lion, typically depicted with pointed ears and with the eagle's legs taking the place of the forelegs.”
When we go check the word’s etymology: https://www.etymonline.com/word/griffin
“griffin (n.)
c. 1200 (as a surname), from Old French grifon “bird of prey”, also “fabulous bird of Greek mythology” (with head and wings of an eagle, body and hind quarter of a lion, believed to inhabit Scythia and guard its gold), named for its hooked beak, from late Latin gryphus, misspelling of grypus, variant of gryps (genitive grypos) “griffin”, from Greek gryps (genitive grypos) “a griffin or a dragon”, literally “curved, hook-nosed” (opposed to simos).”
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eb491d No.13262332
>>13262281
(Please read from the start)
“Klein suggests a Semitic source, “through the medium of the Hittites”, and cites Hebrew kerubh “a winged angel”, Akkadian karibu, epithet of the bull-collossus (see cherub). The same or an identical word was used in mid-19c. Louisiana to mean “mulatto” (especially one one-quarter or two-fifths white) and in British India from 1793 to mean “newly arrived European”, probably via notion of “strange hybrid animal”.
>> I gotta admit anons, I’m enjoying this = Hittites, Akkadian = the pieces are coming together perfectly for me. I also want to draw anons attention to how many times just in Latin the word “changed” its form before landing on the Gryphus. This is why I urged and keep urging anons to go back to etymology, it’s very important, more than you can ever imagine. Just one misspell in Latin and look where it landed in English. And I’m not even mentioning its Greek route that might be a mutation from a Middle Eastern language. I’m choosing my words here. I will be talking about this later on and explain to anons how this mutation happened.
I’ve declared before that there is a possibility (I’m more inclined to this explanation) that this “Griffin” we have been seeing is not a real animal, but more like a heraldic symbol or coat of arms, In page 118, the 2 dogs palette, reverse side, we ‘ve seen a griffin in the middle of a hunting scene. I don’t believe this is a real animal, but a person or a symbol representing a person. We never found a skeleton of an animal looking like the iconography of the Griffin, so I don’t think this is a real animal.
What type of persons we are dealing with? Since we’ve seen this Griffin in many cultures and civilizations, it’s obvious it’s not ONE person, but many belonging to the same clan or same faction = under the same coat of arms.
When I look at the Jet suits, as I said before, there are 2 types of helmets: most were of Birds of Prey, while a minority was of Felines. And since the Griffin is a mixture of both. So is the Griffin a person with a “mixed” Jet suit? I don’t know, not yet anyway. And I haven’t seen any representation of the Griffin holding a staff or a weapon so far. If we consider the Jet suits as military individual fighting craft, does this mean the Griffin also falls in that category = as in military, maybe a military clan or leader?
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eb491d No.13262342
>>13262332
(Please read from the start)
When I take a global look of the Griffin iconography, it get this feeling that he is mostly represented as a guardian/fighter = a warrior that guards. There is a libation vase from the Sumerians that put me in this mind set; it’s called the Gudea libation vase:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ningizzida.jpg
“Summary
"Gudea's libation vase",
Originally published as fig. 368c in WIlliam Hayes Ward, The Seal cylinders of Western Asia, Washington 1910. Reprinted as fig. 3 under the heading The Caduceus an the God Ningishzida in A. L. Frothingham, Babylonian Origin of Hermes the Snake-God, and of the Caduceus I, American Journal of Archaeology, Vol. 20, No. 2 (Apr. - Jun., 1916), pp. 175-211 (p. 181)
1910 drawing of a vase of green steatite found at Telloh (Lagash), now at the Louvre (De Sarzec, Découvertes en Chaldée, Paris 1883, pl. 44, fig. 2, pp. 234-236).
The vase carries an inscription across the figures which establishes it as a gift to the god Ningishzida by Gudea, lord of Lagash. Ningishzida was a minor deity, a special patron of Gudea. Ningishzida is depicted in several works as presenting Gudea to Nin-girsu, the patron deity of Lagash.
The scene is a large caduceus, two snakes twining around a central staff, flanked by two genii. The caduceus is interpreted as the god Ningishzida himself.”
>>And when I tried to find out more about this libation vase I found out it’s in the Louvre. How convenient! Anyone apart me noticed how it’s goes back to the French?
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eb491d No.13262358
>>13262342
(Please read from the start)
https://louvrebible.org.uk/oeuvre/98/louvre_departement_antiquites_orientales
“Libation Vase of the God Ningishzida
AO 190
Neo-Sumerian era, around 2120 BC.
Telloh, Ancient Girsu
Chlorite
Richelieu room 2
The overall composition of this ritual vase evokes the regenerative power of nature, of which this god is the driving force. In front of two winged reptiles,demi-gods with their horned tiarasare two upward spiraling serpents. This is an image of vital power which is also reminiscent of the Greek caduceus.
This libation vase of the God Ningishzida evokes worship regeneration of nature.
The first statement of the practice of libation concerns the patriarch Jacob, when God changed his name in Israel to Bethel. To consecrate this place, “Jacob stationed […] a pillar of stone, and he poured a drink offering upon it and poured oil upon it.” - Genesis 35:9-15, 28:18.
Libations accompanied the majority of sacrifices performed by the Jews. Consequently, a libation of wine follows the offering of the first wheat sheaf during the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:13). In Isaiah 57:6, the Prophet condemns libations made to stones, erected as sexual symbols, which are worshipped.
The first evidence for a libation biblical relates Jacob.
Drinking to someone’s health is today no longer considered a religious gesture. However ‘this custom very probably draws its origins from the ancient religious ritual according to which people drank in honour of the gods and the dead. During meals, the Greeks and Romans poured libations and drank to the health of their gods.’
Could this popular social custom, today free of any religious implication, be a vestige of the sacrificial libations practiced in Antiquity, during which the gods were offered sacred liquid, blood or wine, in return for the granting of a wish? »
>> Congrats anons ! If you solely rely on such information, then, you’ve just been made a fool of. Did you notice how quickly they linked the libation vase to the Old Testament? Why do you think they play such a card from the Louvres? Why didn’t they link this libation vase to the Sumerian civilization and to Lagash or to king Gudea? I surely would love to read a bit more about them from the Louvres. But they redirect your thoughts this way towards the Old Testament, to try to give it credibility.
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eb491d No.13262400
>>13262358
(Please read from the start)
Without even noticing it, your mind will automatically link both ideas: Jacob and Gudea’s libation vase together without you even realizing it = Thinking this is biblical, this is good.
In order to get it straight let’s check out the context of this libation vase by checking out whom is Gudea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudea
“Gudea (Sumerian: Gu3-de2-a) was a ruler (ensi) of the state of Lagash in Southern Mesopotamia who ruled c. 2144–2124 BC. He probably did not come from the city, but had married Ninalla, daughter of the ruler Ur-Baba (2164–2144 BC) of Lagash, thus gaining entrance to the royal house of Lagash. He was succeeded by his son Ur-Ningirsu. Gudea ruled at a time when the center of Sumer was ruled by the Gutian dynasty, and when Ishtup-Ilum ruled to the north in Mari. Under Gudea, Lagash had a golden age, and seemed to enjoy a high level of independence from the Gutians.”
>> I’m going to skip the unnecessary parts. If anons are interested, they can read it in the link. Oh! And please notice the hands of Gudea’s statuette.
“[…]
Title
Gudea chose the title of énsi (town-king or governor), not the more exalted lugal (Akkadian šarrum), although he did style himself "god of Lagash". Gudea claimed to have conquered Elam and Anshan, but his inscriptions emphasize the building of irrigation channels and temples, and the creation of precious gifts to the gods. Materials for his buildings and statues were brought from all parts of western Asia: cedar wood from the Amanus mountains, quarried stones from Lebanon, copper from northern Arabia, gold and precious stones from the desert between Canaan and Egypt, diorite from Magan (Oman), and timber from Dilmun (Bahrain).”
>> The word lugal has the same meaning and function as the word Inca and Baal but for some strange reason, only the last one is vilified while having its meaning changed. Another thing that caught my attention was the bringing of the quarried stones from Lebanon, but not the cedar wood…that was brought supposedly from the Amanus mountains; while I know both are known for the other way around. Maybe I’m mistaken; or maybe there is an error in this paragraph. I’m talking out of memory, so… also that piece of desert between Canaan and Egypt…isn’t that the Sinai desert?
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eb491d No.13262445
>>13262400
(Please read from the start)
“As the power of the Akkadian empire waned, Lagaš again declared independence, this time under Puzer-Mama, who declared himself lugal of Lagaš. Thereafter, this title would not be associated with Lagaš, at least until the end of the Gudean period. Lagašite rulers, including Ur-Ningirsu and Ur-Bau, whose reigns predated Gudea, referred to themselves as énsi, or governor, of Lagaš, and reserved the term lugal only for their gods or as a matter of rank in a relationship, but never as a political device. The continued use of lugal in reference to deities seems to indicate a conscious attempt on the parts of the rulers to assume a position of humility in relation to the world—whether this was honest humility or a political ploy is unknown.”
>> This was also done with the word Baal when referring to deity = terminology used when referring to a god. This is one of the reasons some (from the few) Phoenician texts are incredibly hard to understand: the reader is easily confused and can mix up when the ruler is mentioned or the deity. This is why researchers and wise linguist never rush in, head first, into a Phoenician text and take baby steps while learning it = it’s tricky. So anons whom are interested in the Phoenician language, be careful and work slowly and be meticulous. Take your time.
“Statues of Gudea
Twenty-six statues of Gudea have been found so far during excavations of Telloh (ancient Girsu) with most of the rest coming from the art trade. The early statues were made of limestone, steatite and alabaster; later, when wide-ranging trade-connections had been established , the more costly exotic diorite was used. Diorite had already been used by old Sumerian rulers (Statue of Entemena). These statues include inscriptions describing trade, rulership and religion. These were one of many types of Neo-Sumerian art forms.”
>> Some of his statues are “interesting”.
“Reference to Goa
The first known reference to Goa in India possibly appears as Gubi in a Cuneiform dating to King Gudea's time. At the time, Sumerians had established trade contacts with India.”
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eb491d No.13262492
>>13262445
(Please read from the start)
“Religion
The pleas to the gods under Gudea and his successors appear more creative and honest: whereas the Akkadian kings followed a rote pattern of cursing the progeny and tearing out the foundations of those that vandalize a stele, the Lagašite kings send various messages. Times were violent after the Akkadian empire lost power over southern Mesopotamia, and the god receiving the most attention from Gudea was Ningirsu—a god of battle. Though there is only one mention of martial success on the part of Gudea, the many trappings of war which he builds for Ningirsu indicate a violent era. Southern Mesopotamian cities defined themselves through their worship, and the decision on Gudea's part for Lagaš to fashion regalia of war for its gods is indicative of the temperament of the times.”
>> This paragraph is very telling. Usually the type of deity a person worships is a reflection of themselves and a reflection of the era they lived in. And this is the case of Gudea: just compare the type of deity he worships to the era he was living in; don’t forget to add to the mix the “symbolism” on the vase. I will talk about it a bit later on.
“Though obviously the foundation and progeny curse was not the only religious invocation by the political powers during the Akkadian empire, it demonstrates a certain standardization, and with it, stagnation, of the position of the gods that likely did not sit well with the people of Lagaš. Ur-Ningirsu I, with whom the Gudean dynasty of Lagaš begins, leaves little in the way of inscriptions, and though some mention of various gods seems to indicate a more central role, it is not until Gudea that there can be a side-by-side comparison with the old curse of Sargon of Akkad. The inscription on a statue of Gudea as architect of the House of Ningirsu, warns the reader of doom if the words are altered, but there is a startling difference between the warnings of Sargon or his line and the warnings of Gudea. The one is length; Gudea's curse lasts nearly a quarter of the inscription's considerable length, and another is creativity. The gods will not merely reduce the offender's progeny to ash and destroy his foundations, no, they will, "let him sit down in the dust instead of on the seat they set up for him". He will be "slaughtered like a bull… seized like an aurochs by his fierce horn".
>> Please anons, pay attention to “standardization” and to “warns the reader of doom if the words are altered”. I want to redirect anons to pages 94 and 95 when I writing the 7 points argument. If I take this paragraph and switch the names with those of the Helicopter Hieroglyph, then it fits perfectly = the explanation that is. This is why I was telling anons there is no way the Helicopter Hieroglyph is as Main Stream History explained it to be = over layering of 2 or more glyphs. The principal is the same in both cases.
“But these differences, though demonstrating a Lagašite respect of religious figures simply in the amount of time and energy they required, are not as telling as the language Gudea uses to justify any punishment. Whereas Sargon or Naram-Sin simply demand punishment to any who change their words, based on their power, Gudea defends his words through tradition, “since the earliest days, since the seed sprouted forth, no one was (ever) supposed to alter the utterance of a ruler of Lagaš who, after building the Eninnu for my lord Ningirsu, made things function as they should”. Changing the words of Naram-Sin, the living god, is treason, because he is the king. But changing the words of Gudea, simple governor of Lagaš, is unjust, because he made things work right.”
>> In old times, it was considered a SIN to alter or defame the words connected to prayer and kings. It was considered blasphemous in many civilizations.
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eb491d No.13262516
>>13262492
(Please read from the start)
“Reforms
[…]
His era was especially one of artistic development. But it was Ningirsu who received the majority of Gudea's attention. Ningirsu the war god, for whom Gudea built maces, spears, and axes, all appropriately named for the destructive power of Ningirsu—enormous and gilt. However, the devotion for Ningirsu was especially inspired by the fact that this was Gudea's personal god and that Ningirsu was since ancient times the main god of the Lagashite region (together with his spouse Ba'u or Baba).”
>> This is highly important to note: Ningirsu’s worship was personal, as in it was Gudea’s personal favorite deity to worship. Same thing was with Akhenaten in Ancient Egypt. The worship of Aton was his own personal favorite deity and he made it nationwide as in he tried to replace the national deity by his favorite one; which ended up in the “coup” carried mostly by the priests against him. Here Gudea also brings his personal deity worship with him on the seat of power. And this is important, because this tells us WHOM was Gudea. It’s like a mirror reflection of whom he is and what he represents. And please anons, the spouse = Ba’u or Baba…don’t confuse or mix with Baal. That is one deity, this is another one. It’s not because 2 different deities have names with the same alphabetic letters that it means they are the same. I’ve seen a lot of anons mixing things up just because 2 words sound close or are similar.
“In matters of trade, Lagash under Gudea had extensive commercial communications with distant realms. According to his own records, Gudea brought cedars from the Amanus and Lebanon mountains in Syria, diorite from eastern Arabia, copper and gold from central and southern Arabia and from Sinai, while his armies were engaged in battles in Elam on the east.”
>> Now this is much better than the previous paragraph where trade was mentioned.
“The Gudea cylinders, written after the life of Gudea, paints an attractive picture of southern Mesopotamia during the Lagaš supremacy. In it, “The Elamites came to him from Elam… loaded with wood on their shoulders… in order to build Ningirsu’s House”, the general tone being one of brotherly love in an area that has known only regional conflict.”
>> Whom was interested in the Stele of Naram-Sin? Whom was excavating in Elam? = Jacques de Morgan (starting page 23). De Morgan was not “randomly” interested in these sites and artifacts. He knew EXACTLY where he should be digging = which places held the bi-cephalic dragon/snake ancestors.
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913b6b No.13262557
>>13262516
(Please read from the start)
“[…]
Ur-Ningirsu II, the next ruler of Lagaš, took as his title, "Ur-Ningirsu, ruler of Lagaš, son of Gudea, ruler of Lagaš, who had built Ningirsu’s house".
[…]
Later influence
Gudea's appearance is recognizable today because he had numerous statues or idols, depicting him with unprecedented, lifelike realism, placed in temples throughout Sumer. Gudea took advantage of artistic development because he evidently wanted posterity to know what he looked like. And in that he has succeeded—a feat available to him as royalty, but not to the common people who could not afford to have statues engraved of themselves.
Gudea, following Sargon, was one of the first rulers to claim divinity for himself, or have it claimed for him after his death. Some of his exploits were later added to the Gilgamesh Epic (N. K. Sandars, 1972, The Epic of Gilgamesh).
Following Gudea, the influence of Lagaš declined, until it suffered a military defeat by Ur-Nammu, whose Third Dynasty of Ur then became the reigning power in Southern Mesopotamia.”
>> I’m really enjoying this anons. Do anons realize what all of this means? Don’t forget about the information we got from the Louvre Musem a few pages ago connecting the Libation to Jacob. And don’t forget that the “historical” Abraham is said to have come from Ur.
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913b6b No.13262592
>>13262557
(Please read from the start)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ningishzida
“Ningishzida (sum:, nin-giš-zid-da) is a Mesopotamian deity of vegetation and the underworld. Thorkild Jacobsen translates Ningishzida as Sumerian for "lord of the good tree".
>> “Lord of the good tree”: is it a specific tree we are talking about? Please read slowly and carefully what comes next.
“Mythology
In Sumerian mythology, he appears in Adapa's myth as one of the two guardians of Anu's celestial palace, alongside Dumuzi. He was sometimes depicted as a serpent with a human head.”
>> Doesn’t this remind us of Yakin and Boaz and/or of the guardian mythical animals standing on each side of a temple doorway?
“Lagash had a temple dedicated to Ningishzida, and Gudea, patesi of Lagash in the 21st century BC (short chronology), was one of his devotees. In the Louvre, there is a famous green steatite vase carved for King Gudea of Lagash, dedicated by its inscription: "To the god Ningiszida, his god, Gudea, Ensi (governor) of Lagash, for the prolongation of his life, has dedicated this".
Ningishzida is sometimes the son of Ninazu and Ningiridda, even though the myth Ningishzida's journey to the netherworld suggests he is the son of Ereshkigal. Following an inscription found at Lagash, he was the son of Anu, the heavens.”
>> Very important = he was the son of Anu, the heavens. This means he was the son of the SKY. I interpret this as him being a son that comes from the sky. If anons found it a bit hard to understand where I’m from with this, then I would like to redirect anons to page 316 (starting), to the Hunter myth from the Warrao people = their ancestors lived somewhere in the sky. But we also saw this in different degrees with some sky deities, as they reside or travel in the sky; like Ra from Ancient Egypt.
“His wife is Azimua and also Geshtinanna, while his sister is Amashilama. In some texts Ningishzida is said to be female, which means "Nin" would then refer to Lady, which is mostly how the word is used by the Sumerians. He or she was one of the ancestors of Gilgamesh.
The Adapa myth mentions Ningishzida.
The death of vegetation is associated with the travel to the underworld of Ningishzida.
[…]”
>> Don’t forget anons: the serpent/snake is the SYMBOL of Ningishzida.
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913b6b No.13262626
>>13262592
(Please read from the start)
As anons have noticed already there is a twinning between Ningirsu/Ningishzida and Ninurta. Later on, mostly during Assyrian times, they became one and the same deity. For now, I rather not talk about Ninurta. If anons are interested in him, they can read about it themselves. I didn’t go in the Mesopotamia and Phoenicians myths on purpose. For me to go there, I need to explain a lot of things to anons first. I’ve been watching and lurking a lot and the way most anons approach such issues is leading them in the wrong direction. Also the moment anons enter the Assyrian period, it’s one big mess. I cannot explain it at this stage of this thread. I need to advance more in the global picture. Don’t be frustrated anons because this is hard, very hard. Harder than you can ever imagine. It took me a long time to get here, so you won’t get there yourselves in a few months. The thoughts must take time to shape out in the correct way in your minds. So stop at the Akkadian era, the end of it, but do not go further down or you will be lost and stuck in a tourniquet. Build this, one brick at a time.
Ningirsu should suffice for where I am in this thread. If anons read and re-read about him, what do you see? Isn’t he an “exceptional” being like Viracocha was? It’s very common in old myths or legends to give great, exceptional heroes a deity as ancestor or progenitor. But right now, my concern is the Griffin, remember, I’m still after that big kitty cat.
So shall I get into the description of the imprint of Gudea’s libation vase decoration next?
When we analyze a vase decoration, it can be rolled out to give an imprint just like a cylinder seal. And I’ve attached for anons a picture of what I will be talking about.
When we look at this imprint there is a central axis represented by 2 intertwined, more like twisted or braided serpents/snakes. The details are very well drawn as in the scales of the snakes. Their heads are turned inwardly, facing one another, while both have their tongues out. If anons look closely, those snakes are interlocked while swirling around a vertical band that looks like a column or a pillar.
But if anons can look at the details of this “column”, mostly the section that lies between the heads of the snakes: the edge of the “column” is represented as having some type of thin RIM. This rim narrows down and totally fades away = disappear as we descend to the lower extremity of the vase. Standard interpretation is that this is a column or a pillar and the snakes are wrapped around it. Some even say the column is not a column but it represents the tree of life – remember the snake on the tree from the Epic of Gilgamesh?
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913b6b No.13262659
>>13262626
(Please read from the start)
Those were my thoughts as well, thinking it might be some sort of symbolic column representing the tree of life. But, recently, I think there is a “third option” = this might turn out to be a BEAM of LIGHT. Don’t be surprised. As I’m reading and lurking more, researching, I’m getting more and more inclined to see this “column” as a BEAM OF LIGHT. Why is that? It’s because of that RIM I mentioned earlier.
I’m attaching a few pictures for anons of LIGHT from various angles. If anons look closely at that light LINE = just the line that separates the dark from the light, you will notice that there is some type of “invisible” RIM. It’s not light, and it’s not dark, it’s like vapor actually around the light; and it’s so thin that it looks like a rim or an edge. We’ve seen “echoes” of this with the Ica stones (page 615) – I’m saying “echoes” because I’m being caution of the authenticity of the Ica stones = it’s unverified.
I personally don’t remember seeing a real column or one in books that has this slim rim like the one we see depicted between these 2 snakes. And this is not decorative because as we go down towards the bottom of the vase, the rim vanishes. Which is normal when you think about it since the intertwined bodies of the snakes stop the light from reaching the lower sections = casting a shadow, the light doesn’t reach the ground.
On each side of the snake wrapped beam we have an animal facing the snakes and each other = faces and bodies oriented inwardly. They are represented standing in an upright position = vertically standing on their rear legs. These are interpreted by Main Stream History, including heavy weights as the Louvre Museum, as being reptiles, crocodiles, dragons or lizards with wings. They are not. This is false. Anons have eye, examine it yourselves.
As for me, I see them as 2 winged felines. Why is that? Well, let’s start with the tail: it’s rather short for that of a reptile or lizard isn’t it? But it’s the exact length, thickness and shape of that of a feline. Also anons if you make a visual comparison with how the tail of a reptile is like an extension of its body, it doesn’t match with what we’ve got on the libation vase – attaching picture for anons to understand better what I’m referring to. But on the vase, if we compare how the tail comes out from the upper side of the back of the animal, it actually matches that of a feline – also attaching picture for better understanding.
Both reptiles and felines can have spots cover most of their bodies as seen in the 2 pictures I’ve attached.
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913b6b No.13262691
>>13262659
(Please read from the start)
What reptiles don’t have and felines do is body hair = fur. I’ve highlighted them in red for anons (last picture - previous page). This is body hair – in this case long hair from the animal’s fur. I’m adding a picture of a leopard for anons to check and compare. Everyone knows reptiles don’t have fur but scales. And this brings me to the “stripes” on the belly of the animals on the vase: some considered them as the “stripe” scales we see on the belly of lizards = giving us the impression of lines. But if anons look closely to feline, the pattern is the same for them as well; it’s a fur pattern, not a scale pattern.
Next let’s take a look at the rear paws of these animals: if anons look at the paws of the lizards in the pictures I’ve already posted, they will notice how they are shaped as if they have “ LONG fingers”, similar in form and shape to human hands. When we examine the paws of felines, it’s also extremely different, with the claws all directed to the front. So this is not feline as well. So what is it?
If we look closely, there are claws directed to the front and a claw to the rear of the paw. These are EAGLE TALONS. To explain it better, I’ve attached some pictures for comparison. The rear talon helps the eagles get a grip on their prey and on branches like what you see in the last picture. As a bonus, please anons examine the feathers on the legs of the eagles = how they look. They match with highlighted (in red) rectangles in the previous page. What we see on the rear legs of the Libation Vase animals is close to how the feathers of their wings are drawn when I compare them. Compare to feline fur or to Eagle leg feathers, it is closer to the later than the first. So in other words anons, we have the rear legs of a Bird of prey = an eagle here.
Till now, we’ve got the tail and the spots of a feline and the rear legs, feathers and wings of an eagle. Does it look like a reptile or a lizard as presented by the Main Stream History? Not for me.
Upon a closer look at the front paws of the libation vase animals, I noticed something peculiar about them = they look like human hands = with fingers, and the thumbs are very distinctively marked – as in just like with the human hands, it’s wrapped = encircles the staff they are holding. Go and grab a staff or a baseball bat from the middle, not the handle and examine how your hand + fingers are positioned, then compare it to what you see on the libation vase. It’s an identical position. These are human hands anons. It’s not feline, nor reptile, nor the talons of an eagle.
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913b6b No.13262754
>>13262691
(Please read from the start)
The head of these animals on the libation vase is tricky. It can be seen like that of a lizard but I don’t see it like that much because of the shape of the nose and the location of the eyes. If we look at a lizard from the side, the eyes are located on top. And the nose doesn’t have that curviness to it, more like an angular nose. And some lizards/reptiles have “spikes”, which are totally absent from the animals on the libation vase.
If we compare with the head of a feline, we can see that the eyes are located on each side of the head and not on top. But look closely to the nose, it’s spotless and it’s the only area on his face with the different fur pattern. Same thing we see on the animals of the libation vase.
I bet by now anons got the idea that this is a griffin we are dealing with here and not a lizard or a dragon or any other animal. There are a couple of more elements we need to talk about.
The first element is what both griffins are holding in their hands. At first glance, it looks like they are holding a sabre sword, like the one you see in the picture. But anons should know by now that looks can be deceiving in archaeology = it doesn’t mean it’s a sabre despite it looking like one. The clue came from the way they are holding it = not from what looks to be the handle of the sabre sword – but from mid-section with one hand; and right under the handle with the second hand. The length is also another clue, indicating us these are not sabre swords.
I think we are dealing with weapons here anons, but not a sabre. If you are connecting the dots already yourselves, the reader must have realized we are dealing with long staffs here which remind me in a very strange way to what the Staff-God is holding. I’ve already talked about it many times in the thread (page 361) so I’m not going there once more. I believe we are looking at a similar if not identical weapon here anons. And this brings me to the idea that these griffins are guardians. Which brings the question = what are they guarding? = the intertwined snakes or the column of light?
Which in turns reminded me of something similar we saw in this thread in page 518, the decoration on the golden Inti mask. Back then, I said that whatever is between those 2 beasts on the mask, reminded me of the Chachapoya’s fortress gate. So is it a gate gate or a light beam acting like a gate? Like what we see in the movie Tron: Legacy (page 575)? Or are we dealing with some sort of teleportation device like what we’ve seen in the movie Stargate (page 204 – see movie poster) = the intertwined snakes are the teleportation hoops from the movie? We’ve also read about light beam coming out of Leeloo and vanquishing the evil darkness, in the movie called the 5th element. She does that with the power of the heart combined with the 4 primal elements. Doesn’t this remind us of Jesus, our Savior, as well? He saved us through the power of the heart. A lot nowadays simply laugh, make fun of the power of the heart but…anons have no idea just how powerful it really is.
In my comments on page 575, I’ve talked about whom can open the portal and I said it needs a special KEY and that key is the Blood the Bloodlines highly value and try to preserve. See, it’s all connected because it’s genetic. You got to have a very specific TYPE of Blood = very specific DNA code in order to be able to be the KEY to open that beam of light = stargate. It’s the reason (((they))) inbreed = to keep (((their))) blood as refined, as pure as possible, till it reaches the required amount needed to open the stargate with the help/assistance of the 4 primal elements, just like what Leeloo did in the movie.
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913b6b No.13262795
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>>13262754
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Why didn’t (((they))) succeed till now in opening the gate? It’s because (((they))) don’t have the second KEY ^_^ maybe (((they))) are unaware of its existence or maybe (((they))) do. And I believe this is one of the reasons why (((they))) are collecting archaeological artifacts = trying to get their hands on the second KEY. Anons will ask what is it? I don’t know. I don’t know what the second Key is. But the cartoon called The Mysterious Cities of Gold (starting page 336) provided us with a clue with Tao’s jar = it’s an object = artifact. Even in that cartoon, Esteban is said to “have the light within him”; just like Leeloo. Please notice the details of the video I’ve attached to this page.
We have an additional clue about this light beam/ portal with the Gateway of the Sun in Tiwanaku. Why do you think that portal was named that way?
We’ve seen something close to all of this with the “portal” of Aramu muru (starting page 552). Back then, I’ve mentioned how the Shamans gathered the 4 elements while performing the ritual with the portal. But did the Shaman possess enough blood purity to open up that beam of light stargate even for a fraction of a second. I don’t know. But legends and stories of it persisted till nowadays, passed down from one generation to the other, just like what was the case with Socrates grandfather. I think the grandpa mixed some of the old stories that were transmitted to him to what he saw that evening when walking close to Aramu muru. If anons are not convinced that ONCE a shaman MIGHT have opened the gate for a short amount of time, then you have forgotten that the Vatican took a golden disk that was supposedly hung on the portal. You think this golden disk is the second key necessary to open the portal? Well, if it was, then (((they))) would have succeeded by now to open it up. Since (((they))) didn’t, then it means that stolen golden disk was not the second key.
If you are wondering whom in that area had enough blood purity to be able to open up the gate/portal even for a fraction of a minute, then…it’s obvious….whom had superhuman, exceptional powers and was deified after he was gone? = Staff-god = Viracocha. After he left, his descendants maybe lived in the area and continued to redo the ritual. If he didn’t have blood relatives in the area, they all left with him, then it means the shamans were doing a replay of the ritual without being able to open the portal since they didn’t have enough blood purity to open it. Which lead them to resort to divination and star reading. Instead of getting direct message, they were getting them indirectly.
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913b6b No.13262854
>>13262795
(Please read from the start)
These griffins we see on Gudea’s libation vase are guarding that beam light gate portal or whatever you want to call it.
Which brings me to the second element, the very last one in my description of the libation vase = what the Griffins are wearing on their heads. I have no clue what the heck that is anons. It looks at first glance like a special type of hat with a feather coming from the lower side of it,; maybe braided hair?! I’ve colored it (clumsily) with yellow on one of the guardians. And I’ve colored the “hat” red with but put its rim in black. I did it on purpose like that because it reminded me of Ra’s Sun Disk. Maybe I’m totally wrong here, I’m unsure. For now, let’s just take note of this if it ever popped out again later on in this dig.
Something else also reminded me of Ra when it comes to the griffins on the libation vase = the EYE of Ra (starting page 69). In some versions, the EYE took the form of a feline and it caused a massacre. Do not forget anons that Ra is the Sun god, meaning he was related to light. And we have both of them = feline through the griffin and the light column on Gudea’s libation vase. The third common point is the SNAKE. Ra’s arch enemy, the one he fights in the underworld each night is Apep. It happens to be that Ningishzida is the deity of the underworld (and vegetation) and it happens to be snakes are his symbol. Do you believe in coincidences anons? I surely don’t, mostly in this case when I’m fully aware how close both the civilizations were in Sumer and in Ancient Egypt; not just geographically, but in trade as well.
I think the best is to simply take notes for now for those whom are interested and let’s see what comes up as we progress.
Anons should not forget that these griffins are standing upright, just like humans do and holding those staff weapons, just like guards. These are not animals, these are humans represented on the vase via their heraldic symbol = the griffin. I think they are some “special” forces or some specific type of squadron with its sole purpose being to guard the portal = the stargate.
When you compare with modern day guards, anons will notice the similarities with these 2 guardian griffins; mostly the similarities with the Swiss guards of the Vatican.
So what exactly happened to it? I don’t know for sure. All I know is that the gate is closed because something = an event happened. And (((they))) have been trying for thousands of years to reopen it.
I couldn’t bring attention before, in the Sumerian section, to this libation vase because anons needed to get acquainted with the other elements, like the staff-god, the portal etc. Even though gathering the puzzle pieces is long, I think it’s the best method to bring the big picture together. And I will end it here with Gudea’s libation vase and with the Andean region.
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913b6b No.13262943
>>13262854
(Please read from the start)
Before moving forward, I would like to make a small announcement: I’ve been thinking long and hard on how to tackle the Phoenicians, so after long consideration I decided to do it with bits and pieces in this dig that I’m doing. Anons can gather them as I go on.
The first piece I’ve already provided is the explanation of the honorific word Baal on page 498. The meaning of that word is Lord or Ruler/King. For the female, we use the word Baalat as in Lady or female Ruler/Queen. So now anons know Baal is an honorific for males and Baalat is an honorific for females.
It has the same meaning as the word Inca and the Sumerian word Lugash. So we have 3 words from 3 different civilizations having the same meaning. But amazingly, only ONE out of the 3 was vilified and its original meaning twisted and disfigured. The word was hijacked and made to be the name of Satan/Lucifer or whatever you want to call the greatest Evil ever to be.
Anyone apart me find this odd? Why? Well, we have 3 words from 3 different civilizations worldwide, with the same meaning but only ONE out of the 3 is vilified. Can anyone explain to me why it is only one word and one word only? Why is it specifically the word Baal and not one of the other words? And don’t give me a “superficial excuse” that it’s because of child sacrifice = the Incas did it as well, but they were never vilified nor “persecuted” for it as it was and STILL IS the case of the Phoenicians. Many Mesoamerican and Andean cultures/civilizations we’ve seen so far practiced horrific things, even more gruesome than what the Phoenicians “are accused of doing – why aren’t they treated by the general public like the Phoenicians are? It’s cool to make a Mayan movie or have an Aztec tattoo, right? But it’s not, if it was Phoenician. See what I mean there anons?! Don’t you find something is odd?!
I want anons to think, think long and deep about this because this is very telling, more than anyone can imagine.
Phoenicians – puzzle piece 1.
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913b6b No.13262968
>>13262943
(Please read from the start)
Now it’s time to move to another section = another region = Northern America.
For those reading this thread from the start, they already know that I’m unfamiliar with the North American native cultures. So if I say anything wrong, please excuse my ignorance.
As I was reading about the myths and legends from the Native Americans, I’ve noticed there is a common point to almost all of them. They call that common point as The Great Spirit also called Manitou or “Le Grand Manitou” as well as having other names referring to it. And this is where I’m going to take a look first anons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Spirit
“The Great Spirit is a conception of universal spiritual force, Supreme Being or God, and is known as Wakan Tanka among the Sioux, Gitche Manitou in Algonquian, and in many Native American (excluding Alaskan Natives) and Aboriginal Canadian (specifically First Nations people). According to Lakota activist Russell Means, a more semantically accurate translation of Wakan Tanka is the Great Mystery.
Due to perceived similarities between the Great Spirit and the Christian concept of God, colonial European missionaries frequently used such existing beliefs as a means of introducing indigenous Americans to Christianity and encouraging conversion.
Conceptualization
The Great Spirit has at times been conceptualized as an "anthropomorphic celestial deity," a God of creation, history and eternity, who also takes a personal interest in world affairs and might regularly intervene in the lives of human beings.
Numerous individuals are held to have been "speakers" for the Great Spirit; persons believed to serve as an earthly mediator responsible for facilitating communication between humans and the Spirit, or the supernatural more generally. Such a speaker is generally considered to have an obligation to preserve the spiritual traditions of their respective lineage. The Great Spirit, by way of spiritual leaders, is looked to for guidance by individuals as well as communities at large. While belief in an entity or entities known as the Great Spirit exists across numerous indigenous American peoples, individual tribes often demonstrate varying degrees of cultural divergence, which in turn correlates with several distinct beliefs regarding humankind's relationship with the Spirit. As such, a variety of stories, parables, fables, and messages exhibiting different, sometimes contradictory themes and plot elements have been attributed to the same figure by otherwise disparate cultures.”
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913b6b No.13262984
>>13262968
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>> It’s true. There are people whom can “communicate” with the Great Spirit and can get messages from Him. They work as a BRIDGE, a medium between the divine and the normal human. But not anyone can do it. Those whom can do it are…how should I say it? … kinda “selected” or “chosen”….via a code….a very specific code….a genetic code…you are born with it….either you have it or you don’t… Take note of this anons, it’s very important = some people are “chosen, selected” via their genetic code to play the role of a Bridge between the divine and the human.
“Wakan Tanka
Wakȟáŋ Tȟáŋka can be interpreted as the power or the sacredness that resides in everything, resembling some animistic and pantheistic beliefs. This term describes every creature and object as wakȟáŋ ("holy") or having aspects that are wakȟáŋ. The element Tanka or Tȟáŋka corresponds to "Great" or "large”.
Prior to the Christianization of indigenous Americans by European settlers and missionaries, the Lakota used Wakȟáŋ Tȟáŋka to refer to an organization or group of sacred entities whose ways were considered mysterious and beyond human understanding. It was the elaboration on these beliefs that prompted scholarly debate suggesting that the term "Great Mystery" could be a more accurate translation of such a concept than "Great Spirit". Activist Russell Means also promoted the translation "Great Mystery" and the view that Lakota spirituality is not originally monotheistic.
Chief Luther Standing Bear (1868-1939) of the Lakota Nation put it thus:
From Wakan Tanka, the Great Spirit, there came a great unifying life force that flowed in and through all things - the flowers of the plains, blowing winds, rocks, trees, birds, animals - and was the same force that had been breathed into the first man. Thus all things were kindred, and were brought together by the same Great Mystery.”
>> This is incredibly close to God = our Heavenly Father. He is in everything He created, He is THE LIFE that gives LIFE. Please, re-read this section. Meditate and think deep. Mostly, ask yourselves how could such knowledge be so close to what Christianity concepts are despite the fact both are thousands of years and kilometers apart. It isn’t hard to understand where both come from if they both originated from the same place.
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913b6b No.13263001
>>13262984
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“Manitou
Manitou, akin to the Iroquois orenda, is perceived as the spiritual and fundamental life force by Algonquian peoples. It is believed by practitioners to be omnipresent; manifesting in all things, including organisms, the environment, and events both human-induced and otherwise. Manifestations of Manitou are also believed to be dualistic, and such contrasting instances are known as aashaa monetoo ("good spirit") and otshee monetoo ("bad spirit") respectively. According to legend, when the world was created, the Great Spirit, Aasha Monetoo, gave the land to the indigenous peoples, the Shawnee in particular.”
>> This is absolutely incredible. Every single word in this paragraph is spot on. Please re-read slowly and carefully because this is so true, this is incredibly true.
“Gitche Manitou
The Anishinaabe culture, descended from the Algonquian-speaking Abenaki and Cree, inherited the Great Spirit tradition of their predecessors. Gitche manitou (also transliterated as Gichi-manidoo) is an Anishinaabe language word typically interpreted as Great Spirit, the Creator of all things and the Giver of Life, and is sometimes translated as the "Great Mystery". Historically, Anishinaabe people believed in a variety of spirits, whose images were placed near doorways for protection.
According to Anishinaabe tradition, Michilimackinac, later named by European settlers as Mackinac Island, in Michigan, was the home of Gitche Manitou, and some Anishinaabeg tribes would make pilgrimages there for rituals devoted to the spirit.
Other Anishinaabe names for such a figure, incorporated through the process of syncretism, are Gizhe-manidoo ("venerable Manidoo"), Wenizhishid-manidoo ("Fair Manidoo") and Gichi-ojichaag ("Great Spirit"). While Gichi-manidoo and Gichi-ojichaag both mean "Great Spirit", Gichi-manidoo carried the idea of the greater spiritual connectivity while Gichi-ojichaag carried the idea of individual soul's connection to the Gichi-manidoo. Consequently, Christian missionaries often used the term Gichi-ojichaag to refer to the Christian idea of a Holy Spirit.”
>> Two names for the same entity = Holy Spirit or Great Manitou are one and the same.
Anons, please re-read slowly and carefully every single word written about the Great Spirit. Everything is spot on and so close to the truth that it’s surreal.
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913b6b No.13263032
>>13263001
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I’m also going to check quickly “Le Grand Manitou”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitou
“Manitou (/ˈmænɪtuː/), akin to the Iroquois orenda, is the spiritual and fundamental life force among Algonquian groups in the Native American theology. It is omnipresent and manifests everywhere: organisms, the environment, events, etc. Aashaa monetoo means "good spirit", while otshee monetoo means "bad spirit". When the world was created, the Great Spirit, Aasha Monetoo, gave the land to the indigenous peoples, the Shawnee in particular.”
>> We have good spirits and we have bad spirits.
“Overview
The term manitou was already in widespread use at the time of early European contact. In 1585, when Thomas Harriot recorded the first glossary of an Algonquian language, Roanoke (Pamlico), he included the word mantóac, meaning "gods" (plural). Similar terms are found in nearly all of the Algonquian languages.
In some Algonquian traditions, Gitche Manitou refers to a "great spirit" or supreme being. The term has analogues dating to before European contact, and the word uses of gitche and manitou themselves existed prior to contact. After contact, however, Gitche Manitou was adopted by some Anishinaabe Christian groups, such as the Ojibwe, to refer to the monotheistic God of Abrahamic tradition, often due to missionary syncretism.
Algonquian religion acknowledges medicine men, who used manitou to see the future, change the weather, and heal illness. Ojibwe medicine men were primarily healers who used their spiritual connection to cure patients, since illness was the believed to be caused by magic and spirits. To communicate with spirits and manipulate manitou, a healer would enter a trance, induced by singing, dancing, drum beats, or the use of hallucinogens. Non-healers could also interact with spirits by embarking upon a "vision quest," by means of prayer, fasting, hallucinogens, and/or removing themselves from the society of others. A person who underwent vision quests would be visited by an "animal, voice, or object," which would become his (or her) guardian spirit.”
>> The “medicine men” remind of me Jesus Christ, our Savior. The Healers enter a trance by using different methods including hallucinogens, which is terribly, terribly similar to the method we saw Shamans in the Andean region use in order to get in touch with spirits as well. These “visions” are an occurrence we see happening all over the world within different civilizations/ cultures and through different ages. It actually never stopped happening no matter where you are on earth and what religion you follow. This need to “get in touch” with the “other world” is a common point to every single human on earth from ages ago till now. Seems that those whom have a “vision” will have a guardian spirit, reminding me of the guardian angels we have in Christianity. And those are real, very very real.
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913b6b No.13263136
>>13263032
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“In shamanistic tradition, manitous (or manidoog, or manidoowag) are connected to achieve a desired effect; plant manitous may be connected for healing, or buffalo manitous for a good hunt. In the Anishinaabeg tradition, manidoowag are one aspect of the Great Connection. The Anishinaabeg use the term manidoowish to speak of small animal manidoowag, and manidoons to speak of insect manidoowag. Both manidoowish and manidoons mean "little spirit”.
>> Don’t know about you anons, but as I’m reading about the Great Spirit and now the Grand Manitou, I’m constantly reminded of the “Force” from Star Wars and the Holy Spirit from Christianity.
“Manitou has made its way into the names of several places in North America. The name of Lake Manitoba (for which the Canadian province of Manitoba is named) derives from the area called manitou-wapow, or "strait of the Manitou" in Cree or Ojibwe, referring to the strange sound of waves crashing against rocks near the Narrows of the lake. Manitoba is also home to Whiteshell Provincial Park's petroforms, symbols made from rocks, which serve as reminders of the instructions given to the Anishinaabe by the Creator. The Anishinaabe Midewiwin, or Grand Medicine Society, considers the area containing the petroforms to be Manito Ahbee, the place where God sits. It is the site where the original Anishinaabe was lowered from the sky to the ground by the Creator.”
>> This paragraph is very interesting: “Anishinaabe was lowered from the sky to the ground by the Creator” = anons, this reminds me of the Warrao myth of the Hunter Etoare (starting page 316) as he came down a rope from a hole in the sky. So I’m wondering about this ROPE. Is it really a rope or is it a light beam that transports us from above to below? Was Anishinaabe lowered down from the sky, as Etoare was?
“Manitoulin Island, called mnidoo mnis, or "island of the Great Spirit," by the Odawa, is very important to the Ojibwe, or Anishinaabe, because of its many sacred sites and sounding rocks. Native peoples continue to dwell on the island, which is host to several reserves.
The Fox Indians, or Meskwaki, believed that the manitou dwelt in the stones of the sweat lodge. When the lodge stove was lit and water was sprinkled on the stones, manitou left those stones in the steam from the evaporating water and entered the body of the person in the lodge. Manitou then migrated throughout the person's body, driving out everything that inflicted pain. Before the manitou returned to the stone, it imparted some of its nature to the body, which, according to the Fox Indians, was why one felt so well after having been in the sweat lodge.
In Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore, the Manitou Islands and the water body between them and the mainland, the Manitou Passage, are named for manitou.”
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913b6b No.13263190
>>13263136
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My next stop is going to be the Petroforms mentioned in the Grand Manitou Wikipedia page since the stones seem to be very old and a common point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroform
“Petroforms, also known as boulder outlines or boulder mosaics, are human-made shapes and patterns made by lining up large rocks on the open ground, often on quite level areas. Petroforms in North America were originally made by various Native American and First Nation tribes, who used various terms to describe them. Petroforms can also include a rock cairn or inukshuk, an upright monolith slab, a medicine wheel, a fire pit, a desert kite, sculpted boulders, or simply rocks lined up or stacked for various reasons. Old World petroforms include the Carnac stones and many other megalithic monuments.”
>> This is very interesting.
“Definition
Petroforms are shapes and geometrical patterns made from arranging large rocks and boulders, often over large areas of open ground, unlike the smaller petroglyphs and graphs which are inscribed on rock surfaces. They were originally made in North America by native peoples for astronomical, religious, sacred, healing, mnemonic devices, and teaching purposes. The specific names of these rock formations and the uses varied by political and religious group. Presently, some of these sites are still being used by First Nations, elders, and others.”
>> Now this is funny! What’s funny? It’s the fact that when I was looking at the petroglyphs and the geoglyphs from the Andean region, as well as the petrospheres, none of this was mentioned. It was never said that these carvings or designs had had an astronomical, religious, sacred etc. purpose. I want to ask anons to go back and re-read what I wrote about them when I was working on the Andean region.
I’m going to repeat what I said back there as quick as possible: I think the geoglyphs started with an agricultural connection to get attention from those flying above, as a signal to survivor presence. Then, with time and many generations, they evolved into astronomical, religious etc. purpose = their function changed. The petroglyphs were used by the survivors as a durable = solid physical means to preserve knowledge. They are connected to the geoglyphs and we can consider some as mini geoglyphs. I think all 3 had the same function but were on later dates “expressed” in different shapes or forms: like one was carved on rocks, while the other were shaped into big spheres and strategically placed and the last was drawn on the ground at big scale. I think these petroforms can be regrouped with them as well. I think they all represent the same concept but expressed, represented using different methods.
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913b6b No.13263217
>>13263190
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To explain better, let me give you art work on canvas: if I want to draw/paint, I can use paint, I can use aquarelle and I can use crayons, charcoal etc. But I’m still creating a work of art on a canvas. Here it’s the same, I’m using lines in the soil, spherical boulders, stones or rocks to carve on, but the purpose is the same = I’m still drawing astrological, religious etc KNOWLEDGE. If I’m writing a book, it doesn’t matter if I’m writing a cook book, a historical book, a novel, a manual etc….I’m still writing a book. Here it’s the same; different means, methods used for the same purpose.
And just a tiny notable: they were made by the “ancestors”, the “elders” = First Nations = as in the oldest Native Americans. Sounds to me, like it’s referring to the survivors of the Great Flood and I think from now on, if anons read the words First Nations, Flood survivors should come to mind.
“History
The first stone phase at Stonehenge has been dated to about 2600 BCE. Stone circles are still being made in Wales as part of the Eisteddfod movement, which incorporates this among other elements from the Druidic revival. Desert kites were used possibly by 3000 BCE; they fell out of use in the Neolithic as prey populations declined and the human population rose.
Some of the North American petroform shapes are over 2,500 years old.[citation needed] It is difficult to date all of them accurately because of a lack of soil deposits in some areas. Like the petroglyphs, many petroforms have complex and lengthy teachings that have been passed down orally by the Ojibway, other First Nations, and the Midewiwin. Some teachings may have been lost, along with the peoples that originally made some of the oldest petroforms in North America. In some North American states and provinces, there are laws to protect these important archaeological and historical sites. There were very few studies or specific mention of Manitoba petroform sites until the 20th century. The first detailed studies and descriptions of some sites in Manitoba were done by J. Steinbring and R. Sutton after the 1950s.”
>> Unfortunately, this is what happens with new generations: they lose the knowledge of the ancestors. In this case, seems it’s lost forever. Anons shouldn’t forget to check the background of J. Steinbring and other researchers if they decided to dig on the Native American petroforms. Check the background before making up your mind to read their publications, to make sure they are true and not working for cabal.
“Presently, many Ojibway or Anishinaabe ceremonies in North America involve the making of turtle shaped fire pits for sacred fires. In some instances, rocks are aligned near the entrance and fire of sweat lodge ceremonies that symbolize the Moon, the Sun and other things. Rock piles are still made to mark trails and important locations. A large turtle petroform of piled up boulders was recently made in the Whiteshell Park area of Manitoba.”
>> Oh I would love to see those in person.
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913b6b No.13263243
>>13263217
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“Designs and purposes
In some cases, petroforms were made by non-literate cultures who have left no written record of whatever reasons led them to construct these forms. Oral history was passed along by manynative groups, and a few groups had very complex symbolic writings on rock, petroglyphs, birch bark scrolls, and other media.”
>> This means the petroglyphs are also connected to the petroforms in North America, just like the petroglyphs were connected to the Geoglyphs in the Andean region.
“Astronomical markers
Some petroforms were used as astronomical calendars, with rocks aligned to solstice and equinox sunrises and sunsets. They are often found in higher areas, on hills, mounds, ridges, and natural rock formations. Higher ground allowed humans to carefully observe the horizon to mark and measure astronomical events. Some rock alignments point out four or more directions, lunar events, the rising and setting of planets, some stars, and other astronomical events. Some petroforms can also be used in more complex ways for astronomical predictions, mapping of the sky and ground, and for complex ceremonies that help to memorize many oral stories and songs. Petroforms are similar in some ways to medicine wheels which are also aligned with sunrises and sunsets, equinoxes, solstices, lunar events, and star patterns. Petroforms also mirrored the night sky, and the patterns of the stars, similar to astrological signs and symbols. The Sioux have oral stories of the serpent in the sky, a turtle, a bear, and other patterns seen in the stars. What is often known today as Orion's belt was one prominent, bright star formation, along with the central and stationary north star, now named as Polaris. What is now known as the planet Venus is the very bright morning and evening star that is very noticeable and at times is the first and last to appear. Petroform sites in North America can be found in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Wyoming, Montana, along the Mississippi River, the Missouri River, and elsewhere. It has been suggested that megalithic monuments including Stonehenge may have incorporated important astronomical alignments.”
>> The petroforms are a treasure that keeps on giving. So we have star maps and our good old buddy Orion is the star of the petroforms site. This specific constellation was a prominent one along with Polaris. I always wonder why it’s 90 % of the time the same constellations we bump into, regardless if it’s northern or southern hemisphere ^_^
“Hunting aids
The desert kites of Syria, Jordan, and the Negev—long lines of stones—are interpreted as aids to hunting large game animals like gazelles, ibexes, wild asses. There are similar structures on most continents.”
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913b6b No.13263363
>>13263243
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“Navigation aids
The inuksuit of the Arctic act as navigation aids, an aid for hunting, or to mark important locations. The rock marker helped the traveler or hunter to find the best route across the land. Someone left a marker to help anyone else passing through the area, and to help with not getting lost. These markers can have very practical and universal purposes. Some petroforms are located along portage routes and canoe routes as well. Human made markers can be easier to remember than common natural features of the landscape. Rock ridges would have been natural trails through dense forest or wet terrain. Whiteshell Provincial Park petroforms are located on top of the granite ridges that snake through the forest and wetlands landscape.
Burial sites
The Dolmens widespread in Europe and much of Asia are interpreted as Neolithic burial chambers. Large boulders make excellent long term markers for important and sacred places, just as burial plots are marked by large stones today. Some petroforms could be close to ancient burial areas, or near sacred areas associated with the dead. Large rocks are a universal marker that can last for generations. Boulders will last for tens of thousands of years. In memory of a person or the history about a place, these markers help future generations to learn about the past. These markers help to provide long term memories and reminders of a time long ago.
Mnemonic device
Indigenous peoples have an oral tradition of story telling. Many of these rock shapes are used to memorize and to help tell stories and legends. Some petroforms go in the order of the story, helping one to memorize the successive steps. Large rocks are very permanent, thereby helping to pass along certain memories, knowledge, and wisdom. Some large boulders in North America have long stories that relate to the area and a memory about that place. A large boulder, sitting alone, catches the eye as a major landmark. Many petroforms in Whiteshell Provincial Park have long stories associated with each one.
Other rituals and unknown purposes
Aboriginal groups also made shapes of humans, snakes, turtles, fish, bears, cougars, thunderbirds, medicine wheels, circles, rectangles, and other complex geometric shapes that are still intact today. There was certainly an attempt to leave their mark upon the landscape, and large boulders or rocks are very permanent markers. The Nazca Lines include many animal and other shapes. Petroforms in North America are often related to earthen mounds. Mounds were sometimes built over the older petroforms, or later made near them. Petroforms also marked out the area for various ceremonies, sweatlodges, fasting, and sacred fires. They often mark an important or sacred area, or point to an important place. Offerings and prayers are made in these areas, along with initiations and vision quests. The exact, original purposes of the Carnac stones, Stonehenge, and many other megalithic monuments are lost.”
>> They surprisingly make my job easier here in this Wikipedia page. I would like to ask anons to combine what I written about the petroforms with what we’ve gathered in other places. This way researchers can make classifications and put them into different categories and can catalogue them for study, and find out what the links are between all of these types of petroforms. This is a web we are looking at anons, not an individual object. All types of petroforms are connected and have links. Sure, they involved with time and varied their purpose, but the origin is the same. The more we rewind things and go back to point zero, the closer we get to the truth.
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913b6b No.13263414
>>13263363
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“Localities
Whiteshell Provincial Park
One of the locations of petroform sites, including effigies, is in Southeastern Manitoba, in Whiteshell Provincial Park, Canada. Whiteshell Park is named after the white cowrie shells used by some Anishinaabe peoples in ceremonies. The natural landscape of the park, with many movable rocks and boulders left behind after the last ice age, gave humans the easy opportunity to arrange them into many human-made patterns. It is an area where three rivers meet, along the edge of the Canadian Shield, close to the edge of prairie grasslands. The rivers were ancient highways and trade routes, bringing humans from far and wide to the area. Some large boulders appear to be carved, chipped, or altered to look like turtle heads and other animals. A very wide variety of petroform shapes are found in the park, including snakes, turtles, geometric lines, patterns, and large circles. Most of the known petroforms are found on the top of granite ridges. The granite ridges and hills are often very flat in areas, resembling a large concrete parking lot. These open areas have a very smooth granite left behind from the last ice age. In some areas there is no soil, no lichen, and the surface is polished to a shine. The large boulders aligned are in striking contrast to the flat granite beneath them. Local First Nations have teachers and elders that pass along the stories associated with some of these petroforms. Many of the sites and their past use is a mystery, with no certain answers. Some elders refer to one site as extremely sacred and important, and few people should venture there. The Midewiwin have oral teachings about some of the petroforms, but no one group claims to know all the history of the area.”
>> This paragraph is very well written. I believe it to be accurate.
“Wisconsin
The petroform sites in Wisconsin are being studied more closely, and can be dated more easily because of soil deposits over centuries. Many other sites have no layers of soil deposited around the petroforms. Forested areas and soil cover have partially protected many of the petroforms in Wisconsin and Minnesota. In many areas across the prairies, large circular medicine wheels were made as astronomical devices, directional maps, and for ceremonial use. Some of these medicine wheels are large, and many were destroyed for agricultural needs by clearing the grasslands of any rocks. Some are intact, such as in the Turtle Mountains, and other sandy, rocky, or more remote areas that had less crop farms and settlements. Mound building was also associated in some way with petroform use. Petroforms originally predated the use of mounds and other human-made earthen works that required more time and effort. Although mound building could have originally been necessary and practical to provide some higher ground during floods. There is some speculation that larger mounds would have served as dikes and defensive fortifications, including providing higher ground to keep watch.”
>> For the first time, I really enjoy reading a Wikipedia page. I couldn’t have written the information any better myself. Anons, what is written, we’ve seen it ALL before in the civilizations and cultures we’ve visited so far in this thread. This is like a huge summary of the many facets of this thread we’ve seen so far. Take what you read here and connect it with what we gathered till now. Everything fits perfectly like the pieces of a giant jigsaw puzzle. Every single word about the Native Americans is totally fascinating to me because it’s cementing everything I’ve worked on so far in this thread together and they are the closest to the core – it looks like that. And those petroforms looking like crosses, don’t they remind anons of the pecked-cross circles we’ve seen in Teotihuacan - starting page 303. Also, remember what I keep on saying about the Rivers being a Chronological Spine and that we should follow the River? Here you go, it’s the same here as well = rivers play an important role in unraveling what happened.
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913b6b No.13263444
>>13263414
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Next I want to check the Medicine Wheels because they seem to be a common point to all the Native American Nations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_wheel
“In some Native American cultures, the medicine wheel is a metaphor for a variety of spiritual concepts. A medicine wheel may also be a stone monument that illustrates this metaphor.
Historically, the monuments were constructed by laying stones in a particular pattern on the ground oriented to the four directions. Most medicine wheels follow the basic pattern of having a center of stone, and surrounding that is an outer ring of stones with "spokes" (lines of rocks) radiating from the center to the cardinal directions (east, south, west, and north). These stone structures may or may not be called "medicine wheels" by the people whose ancestors built them, but may be called by more specific terms in that nation's language.”
>> Been wondering something…I think it will be qualified as silly, maybe, to the reader: How did all of these civilizations and cultures worldwide – separated by time, geography and culture – have the same exact cardinal points? How did they all find out that the North is the north and the South is the south? I mean why didn’t some of them refer to some directions differently, like what we saw happen with the zodiac signs? I know this is due to the earth and it’s magnetic field and all of the science and physics about it all…..but why each civilization/culture didn’t give its own “spices” to the cardinal points as they did to the zodiac signs? Not everyone is knowledgeable and/or is as smart as to figure out such things. So how come we have this as a common point for every human presence on earth? I must add it’s a shame some of the medicine wheels were destroyed like that.
“Physical medicine wheels made of stone were constructed by several different indigenous peoples in North America, especially those of the Plains Indians. They are associated with religious ceremonies. As a metaphor, they may be used in healing work or to illustrate other cultural concepts.
The medicine wheel has been adopted as a symbol by a number of pan-Indian groups, or other native groups whose ancestors did not traditionally use it as a symbol or structure. It has also been appropriated by non-indigenous people, usually those associated with New Age communities.”
>> The New Age communities! There must be something real about these Medicine Wheels for them to be adopted by such groups and communities.
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913b6b No.13263459
>>13263444
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“Nomenclature
The Royal Alberta Museum (2005) holds that the term "medicine wheel" was first applied to the Big Horn Medicine Wheel in Wyoming, the southernmost archeological wheel still extant. The term "medicine" was not applied because of any healing that was associated with the medicine wheel, but denotes that the sacred site and rock formations were of central importance and attributed with religious, hallowed, and spiritual significance.
As a metaphor, the concept of the sacred hoop of life, also used by multiple Nations, is sometimes conflated with that of the medicine wheel. A 2007 Indian Country Today article on the history of the modern Hoop Dance defines the dancer's hoop this way:
The hoop is symbolic of "the never-ending circle of life." It has no beginning and no end.”
>> This reminds me of the Ouroboros.
“Exegesis
Stone structures as sacred architecture
Intentionally erecting massive stone structures as sacred architecture is a well-documented activity of ancient monolithic and megalithic peoples. What sets them apart from many of the other megalithic peoples is how non-intrusive and environmentally sensitive the footprint and fabrication of their structures were. Unlike some of the grand and towering stone monoliths found in Europe, the indigenous peoples of North America usually laid down smaller stones on the earth, rather than digging deep pits and erecting huge stones, such as at Stonehenge.
The Royal Alberta Museum posits the possible point of origin, or parallel tradition, to other round structures such as the tipi lodge, stones used as "foundation stones" or "tent-pegs":
Scattered across the plains of Alberta are tens of thousands of stone structures. Most of these are simple circles of cobble stones which once held down the edges of the famous tipi of the Plains Indians; these are known as "tipi rings." Others, however, were of a more esoteric nature. Extremely large stone circles – some greater than 12 meters across – may be the remains of special ceremonial dance structures. A few cobble arrangements form the outlines of human figures, most of them obviously male. Perhaps the most intriguing cobble constructions, however, are the ones known as medicine wheels.”
>> I disagree with this hypothesis of tipi rings. This contradicts what was said in the petroform Wikipedia page as well.
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913b6b No.13263471
>>13263459
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“Locality, siting and proxemics
Stone medicine wheels are sited throughout the northern United States and southern Canada, specifically South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Alberta and Saskatchewan. The majority of the approximately 70 documented stone structures still extant are in Alberta, Canada.
One of the prototypical medicine wheels is in the Bighorn National Forest in Big Horn County, Wyoming. This 75-foot-diameter (23 m) wheel has 28 spokes, and is part of a vast set of old Native American sites that document 7,000 years of their history in that area.
Medicine wheels are also found in Ojibwa territory, the common theory is that they were built by the prehistoric ancestors of the Assiniboine people.
Larger astronomical and ceremonial petroforms, and Hopewell mound building sites are also found in North America.
Structure, fabrication and patterning
In defining the commonalities among different stone medicine wheels, the Royal Alberta Museum cites the definition given by John Brumley, an archaeologist from Medicine Hat, that a medicine wheel "consists of at least two of the following three traits: (1) a central stone cairn, (2) one or more concentric stone circles, and/or (3) two or more stone lines radiating outward from a central point.”
From the air, Medicine wheels often look like a wagon wheel lying on its side. The wheels can be large, reaching diameters of 75 feet.”
>> This is the type of raw information that I like: it’s precise.
“The most common variation between different wheels are the spokes. There is no set number of spokes for a medicine wheel to have although there are usually 28, the same number of days in a lunar cycle. The spokes within each wheel are rarely evenly spaced, or even all the same length. Some medicine wheels will have one particular spoke that is significantly longer than the rest. The spokes may start from the center cairn and go out only to the outer ring, others go past the outer ring, and some spokes start at the outer ring and go out from there.
Sometimes there is a passageway, or a doorway, in the circles. The outer ring of stones will be broken, and there will be a stone path leading in to the center of the wheel. Some have additional circles around the outside of the wheel, sometimes attached to spokes or the outer ring, and sometimes floating free of the main structure.
While alignment with the cardinal directions is common, some medicine wheels are also aligned with astronomical phenomena involving the sun, moon, some stars, and some planets in relation to the Earth's horizon at that location. The wheels are generally considered to be sacred sites, connected in various ways to the builders' particular culture, lore and ceremonial ways.”
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913b6b No.13263508
>>13263471
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“Other North American indigenous peoples have made somewhat-similar petroforms, turtle-shaped stone piles with the legs, head, and tail pointing out the directions and aligned with astronomical events.
Cultural value, attribution and meaning
Stone medicine wheels have been built and used for ceremonies for millennia, and each one has enough unique characteristics and qualities that archaeologists have encountered significant challenges in determining with precision what each one was for; similarly, gauging their commonality of function and meaning has also been problematic.
One of the older wheels, the Majorville medicine wheel located south of Bassano, Alberta, has been dated at 3200 BCE (5200 years ago) by careful stratification of known artifact types. Like Stonehenge, it had been built up by successive generations who would add new features to the circle. Due to that and its long period of use (with a gap in its use between 3000 and 2000 years ago, archaeologists believe that the function of the medicine wheel changed over time.”
>> I believe this is what happened to all petroforms and this is what I was trying to explain to anons about the: geoglyphs, petroglyphs, stone carvings, petrospheres etc. With each new generation the function changed because knowledge was forgotten or lost. A mutation occurred.
“Astronomer John Eddy put forth the suggestions that some of the wheels had astronomical significance, where spokes on a wheel could be pointing to certain stars, as well as sunrise or sunset, at a certain time of the year, suggesting that the wheels were a way to mark certain days of the year. In a paper for the Journal for the History of Astronomy Professor Bradley Schaefer stated that the claimed alignments for three wheels studied, the Bighorn medicine wheel, one at Moose Mountain in southeastern Saskatchewan, and one at Fort Smith, Montana, there was no statistical evidence for stellar alignments.
Medicine Wheel Park, Valley City, North Dakota, US
Joe Stickler of Valley City State University, North Dakota, with the assistance of his students, began the construction of Medicine Wheel Park in 1992. The Park showcases two solar calendars: "a horizon calendar (the medicine wheel) and a meridian or noontime calendar." According to the Medicine Wheel website, the "large circle measures 213 feet around. The 28 spokes radiating from its center represent the number of days in the lunar cycle. Six spokes extending well beyond the Wheel are aligned to the horizon positions of sunrises and sunsets on the first days of the four seasons.”
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913b6b No.13263543
>>13263508
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“New Age views
New Age writers tend to center the idea of the medicine wheel as an individualistic tool of personal development. This redefinition is in stark contrast to the indigenous view of ceremony and sacred sites being rooted in the community rather than the individual.
Alice Kehoe writes that native Medicine Wheel rites, along with other indigenous observance of the cyclical patterns in Nature and life, are one of the reasons non-natives "other" indigenous peoples as supposedly more spiritual than non-natives.”
>> And this is why I HATE the NEW AGES hocus pocus stuff. All of these groups are created out of thin air by (((them))). I can add NXIVM to the list. I call these sects or gangs. Not all religious though.
Also in this thread, I’ve tried many times to draw attention to a practice (((they))) do, or should I say a “habit” of (((theirs))) = (((they))) take a symbol, a good symbol and twist it and distorted, disfigure it and turn it into something evil in that sick minds of (((theirs))) and (((they))) spread it as if it’s the real thing. It’s not. I can give St Peter’s cross as examples and Archangel Michael symbol along with it. So now we can add the Medicine Wheels to the “twisted” symbols (((they))) steal from other cultures.
Anons, I want you to think long and hard about this. When Q team say that symbolism will be (((their))) downfall, I think he means (((their))) attachment to (((their))) psychotic habits. I think the symbols themselves were pure and good at the start and (((they))) like to taint and dirty stuff, defile the purity and innocence of things and people. (((They))) like to desecrate things and places and people. I can give you as example Katy Perry and that law suit with the nun about the monastery she bought from them. And as another example I can give you all the children (((they))) like to abuse sexually = this is not just about sexual pleasure or Adrenochrome. It’s also about defiling the purity and innocence of these kids because children are just that = pure and innocent, they do not know evil. And they are God’s most precious treasure.
This has more meanings to it than the obvious. It’s like a multilayer meaning. And I’ve come to believe this was also done to symbols = sacred symbols were defiled and mutilated by (((them))) and (((they))) hijacked them, took them as (((their))) own possession = made them (((theirs))).
This is just an observation from my part. I guess the only people whom can confirm it is Qteam and Potus. I bet they know all about such things.
There isn’t much to say or comment about what I’m reading so far because it’s well written and I believe it’s close enough to the truth. It should be enough information for this thread.
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913b6b No.13263601
>>13263543
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Next I want to take a closer look at the Medicine Wheel in Big Horn County in Wyoming, U.S.A.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_Wheel/Medicine_Mountain_National_Historic_Landmark
“The Medicine Wheel/Medicine Mountain National Historic Landmark (formerly known as the Bighorn Medicine Wheel) is a medicine wheel located in the Bighorn National Forest, in the U.S. state of Wyoming. The Medicine Wheel at Medicine Mountain is a large stone structure made of local white limestone laid upon a bedrock of limestone. It is both a place of sacred ceremony and scientific inquiry. In Native Science these uses are not distinguished as separate as they are in Western science.
The cultural history of the Big Horn Mountains, home to the Big Horn Medicine Wheel, dates back over ten thousand years.”
>> Please re-read the last sentence anons = “Big Horn Mountains […] dates back to over ten thousand years.” Am I looking at another starting point here anons? Just like what we saw with Teotihuacan and Tiwanaku?
“Cultural Purposes
No indigenous people have publicly claimed to have built the Big Horn Medicine Wheel. During negotiations to include the Big Horn Medicine Wheel to the registry for National Historic Landmark and Sacred Site status, the Crow stated that the Wheel was already present when they came into the area. However, the Wheel rests within the Crow homeland, an area that the Crow say was given to them by the Creator when No Vitals, the visionary Crow Leader (circa 1400-1600), had his vision of stars descending into tobacco blossoms while he fasted and prayed on the highest mountain in the Bighorns (Cloud Peak). Oral history from several indigenous nations sets the Big Horn Medicine Wheel as already existing, having been built by "ancient ancestors" or "people without iron."
The Big Horn Medicine Wheel is a sacred site to many people of many nations. Although the Wheel was built high above the Bighorn Basin, and the climb up from the basin takes effort, a wide and deep cut ancient trail takes the traveler directly to the Wheel. In winter, when the modern asphalt road is covered in snow and closed for the season, one can still make one's way by foot up the old trail from Five Springs Campground. Stephen C. Simms of the Chicago Field Museum, upon examining the Wheel in 1903, surmised that the travois trail (road) must have been well-traveled for long periods in the past to acquire its deeply cut edges. The Bighorn Mountains are high above the hot summers of the basin. In 1887, the Tukudeka Elder Aggretta said her people chose to live high in the Bighorns to escape the flies and human conflict.”
>> What do you say anons, do you have Flood survivors here or not? Whom do you think these “Ancient Ancestors” or the “People Without Iron” are? It matches perfectly if you ask me. I have a huge smile on my face.
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913b6b No.13263618
>>13263601
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“Little People and Vision Quests
The Arapaho call the Big Horn Medicine Wheel "Hiieeinoonotii." A detailed account of ceremonial use of the Bighorn Medicine Wheel by the Arapaho was related in 1993 by Paul Moss in a landmark of Native American oral tradition.
Tom Yellowtail (Crow) told the story of Burnt Face building a medicine wheel in the Bighorn Mountains and receiving help from the Little People. After the Little People healed his face, Burnt Face came down from the Bighorns, rejoined his people, and built what is now called the Fort Smith Wheel. This Wheel has similar stellar and solar alignments to the Big Horn Medicine Wheel, adjusted for landscape changes and latitude.
Measurements
The structure is located at an altitude of 9642 ft (2939 meters), near the summit of Medicine Mountain. It is a precolumbian structure, built from roughly loaf-sized stones gathered from the surrounding area. The structure consists of a circular rim, 80 ft (24.3 meters) in diameter, 28 spokes extending from the rim to the center, and a series of seven stone circles (cairns). Cairn O is at the center of the structure and is about 10 ft (near 3 meters) in diameter. Cairns A - F are at or near the rim, and are considerably smaller.”
>> Lake Titicaca was around 3900 meters above sea level and the Big Horn Medicine Wheel is situation at around 3000 meters above sea level. But if we check out online what is the altitude of the Big Horn Mountains in Wyoming we will find out that it’s 4013 m with the highest peak called Cloud Peak - And the average high is between 2400 to 4000 m above current sea level. This puts the area in the same ALTITUDE RANGE as Tiwanaku. (https://www.britannica.com/place/Bighorn-Mountains). I have a huge smile on my face anons. The puzzle pieces are starting to come together perfectly. And my favorite number 7 pops up again. Always keep an eye on it anons.
“Astronomical Alignments
The Big Horn Medicine Wheel is one of four or five astronomically complex wheels that are publicly known to exist in the Rocky Mountain region. It is of a type termed Subgroup 6, "A prominent central stone cairn surrounded by a stone ring. Two or more interior stone lines connect the stone ring to the cairn." by John Brumley. Another of this Subgroup type is the Majorville Wheel in Alberta, Canada. The Majorville Wheel with a similar complex design matching the Big Horn Medicine Wheel has been dated archaeologically to 3200 BC. Smaller, less complex wheels may have astronomical significance, such as solstice alignments and east-west orientations. The larger complex wheels are capable of tracking several different cosmic cycles, including the precession of the equinoxes, the Moon's phases, lunar and solar eclipse cycles, and planets' orbital cycles. These astronomical wheels mirror the north ecliptic polar region of the sky and are useful as celestial grids to track changes over millennial time periods.
Astronomer John Eddy investigated the Big Horn Medicine Wheel's structure in 1972 and made a number of important discoveries, publishing his findings in Astronomical Alignment of the Big Horn Medicine Wheel, Science 184 (1974): 1031-43. He found that cairns E and O were aligned in the direction of summer solstice sunrise, using cairn E for a backsight and cairn O as a foresight, and that cairns C and O were aligned in the direction of summer solstice sunset, using C as a backsight and O as a foresight.”
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913b6b No.13263635
>>13263618
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“Further, he found that cairn pairs FO, FA, and FB correspond to the rising points of the stars Sirius, Aldebaran, and Rigel, respectively. Observing the first yearly heliacal rising of these stars would have been an effective tool for determining the progress of the solar year, as the first heliacal rise of a star occurs on the same date (relative to the solstices) each year.”
>> In other words: Sirius, Orion, Taurus and Pleiades. I don’t know if anons already know this, but in order to locate the Pleiades in the sky, you need to see Taurus first. At least, this is how it works for me. And it just happens to be my favorite constellations cocktail, the one that keeps on popping up in this thread – if not all of them, at least some of them.
“Rising positions of stars change very slowly over the centuries, due to the Earth's precession, so the directions of these cairn pairs can be used to project at what date they aligned best with the rising points of these stars. The FA Aldebaran alignment would have worked best between AD 1200 and AD 1700. Further, precession changes the date of first helical rise: Although today the first heliacal rise of Aldebaran is a few days after the summer solstice, between AD 1200 and 1700, the first heliacal rise of Aldebaran would have been just before the summer solstice, allowing an observer to predict the coming of this event.
Astronomer Jack Robinson from the University of South Florida has further proposed that cairn pair FD was used to observe the rising of the star Fomalhaut, which would have lined up with its rising point between AD 1050 and AD 1450, when Fomalhaut had its first heliacal rise roughly a month before the summer solstice. A carbon date for the Bighorn Medicine Wheel comes from a piece of wood found in cairn F, corresponding to an age of no more than 220 years, roughly in the middle of the 18th century. However, this date can only be considered as a minimum age, as the wood may have become lodged in the cairn after construction. Stated by Don Grey in his, "Summary Report," page 317 of the 1958 Wyoming Archaeology Society's excavation of the Wheel, "In the large cairn on the northwest side of the structure was found a piece of wood pinned down between the courses of stone in the wall. A sample was taken…for dating.”
>> This piece of wood doesn’t mean it’s as old as the Medicine Wheel, because later generation of Native Americans kept on using the Medicine Wheels of the “elders” or First Nation” people. So in this case, I wouldn’t rely much on the carbon dating. And what is this mystery in the last sentence. It’s very vague, mostly in the way it was formulated.
“Other Wheels
1903, Stephen Simms of the Chicago Field Museum published a scientific paper on his visit to the Wheel. His diagram looks only slightly similar to the Big Horn Medicine Wheel that is now a Historic Landmark. More than one medicine wheel existed in the Bighorn Mountains previous to 1916. Cut Ear, a Crow guide, would accompany people to wheels in the Bighorn Mountains. One article in the Sheridan Post talks of finding another wheel about 60miles from the first wheel.
[…]”
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913b6b No.13263658
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>>13263635
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If anons could take a look at this short video about the Medicine Wheel: I was amazed by the information provided about the site. Please pay close attention to what is said since it’s giving us new information we didn’t have before about the Big Horn Mountains Medicine Wheel and more.
There are 3 HUGE notables in this video which are providing us with new information about a very distant past:
The first consist of what the narrator in the video calls the NUCLEI OF CONTINENTS:
There are 10 of them in the world according to this video; they are made of ANCIENT ROCKS on small patches and they are separate from one another via distance. They come from the eldest cooled molted crust of the earth and formed a single huge island called GONDWANA.
I don’t agree with the map they are putting in the video by the way. And I would like to put aside the dates given because we know chronology was tampered with and some stuff were incorrectly dated on purpose.
So according to the narrator, Gondwana separated and the continents drifted till forming nowadays earth map. And the site of Big Horn Mountains Medicine Wheel is one of those 10 places of the continental roots according to the video.
The second consist of the stratigraphy; pay attention to what is said about it: the youngest is on the bottom layer and the oldest is on the top = the summits. Then the narrator says: “It’s as though the Great Crow Chief God of Creation Coyote ripped open the earth and pulled the earth’s core up to the Heavens. Only on this part of the world can you clearly see ALL of earth’s layers.”
Just stop there for a second anons and please listen once more to these words: it’s giving us a glimpse of what happened during the cataclysm I’ve been talking about in this thread. We already know there is a Great Flood, Sea Water reached high altitude plateau, Volcanoes erupted, Earth Split open creating the Red Sea Rift and Land sunk between Tunisia and Italy. And now, we can add to it the LAND, the soil, the ground, flipping like a pancake. The ground literally flipped upside down or should I say YANKED from the inside out – from the core to the summits. If you think this is crazy, well, let me remind you of the existence of the Klerksdorp spheres (starting page 594).
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913b6b No.13263694
>>13263658
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I said back in page 599, that the spheres were possibly buried because of the cataclysm that occurred, stating the volcanic activity, earthquakes etc. as having an effect on the geology of the earth including its stratigraphy = deposit layers. Back then it was just a possibility, but now with this FACT we have in Big Horn Mountains Medicine Wheel site, it’s not a possibility anymore but it became proof = evidence that the cataclysm was worldwide and totally, horribly devastating. It was not just a huge amount of rain falling down. The earth flipped like a pancake. It was pure horror and it was powerful enough to crack parts of the earth, sink others and flip some parts. The scale of it all is huge as well as apocalyptic and very different from the EDITED Deluge story of Noah from the Old Testament.
The third is that this site is called Woodhenge because of wooden posts were placed in the brown depressions and the layout of this Medicine Wheel is similar of that of Stonehenge – also the rim almost has the same diameter as a Sarsen circle.
Just a look at the Star: Fomalhaut is the brightest star in the constellation of Piscis Austrinus. For more reading about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomalhaut
“Etymology and cultural significance
Fomalhaut has had various names ascribed to it through time, and has been recognized by many cultures of the northern hemisphere, including the Arabs, Persians, and Chinese. It marked the solstice in 2500 BC. It was also a marker for the worship of Demeter in Eleusis.
• It was called Hastorang by the Persians, one of the four "royal stars".
• The Latin names are ōs piscis merīdiāni, ōs piscis merīdionālis, ōs piscis notii "the mouth of the Southern Fish".
• A folk name among the early Arabs was Difdi‘ al Awwal ( al-ḍifdiʿ al-awwal) "the first frog" (the second frog is Beta Ceti).
• The Chinese name 北落師門/北落师门 (Mandarin: Běiluòshīmén), meaning North Gate of the Military Camp, because this star is marking itself and stands alone in North Gate of the Military Camp asterism, Encampment mansion (see: Chinese constellation). 北落师门 (Běiluòshīmén), westernized into Pi Lo Sze Mun in R.H. Allen's work.
• To the Moporr Aboriginal people of South Australia, it is a masculine being called Buunjill. The Wardaman people of the Northern Territory called Fomalhaut Menggen —white cockatoo..
Fomalhaut/Earthwork B, in Mounds State Park near Anderson, Indiana, lines up with the rising of the star Fomalhaut in the fall months, according to the Indiana Department of Natural Resources. In 1980, astronomer Jack Robinson proposed that the rising azimuth of Fomalhaut was marked by cairn placements at both the Bighorn and Moose Mountain Medicine Wheels in Wyoming, USA and Saskatchewan, Canada, respectively.
The New Scientist magazine termed it the "Great Eye of Sauron", due to its shape and debris ring, when viewed from a distance, bearing similarity to the aforementioned "Eye" in the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings films.”
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913b6b No.13263730
>>13263694
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>> It really looks like the EYE of SAURON doesn’t it anons? Looking at Fomalhaut gives me the creeps.
This is the first EYE I’ve found anons. Has anyone ever wondered why the cabal, the Bloodlines are so terribly obsessed with the Eye symbol? Apart (((them))) being crazy, I think there is a reason, an Ancient, True reason behind (((their))) addiction to this symbol. Could it be (((their))) place of origin? Where (((they))) come from? Well, just think about it for now anons because I’ve also bumped into other Eyes. So let’s check them out all before making up our minds about it. Take note, make your own research. Don’t forget that Pisces is aquatic like the Quinotaur and all the Aquatic symbols on Epstein Island. So try to explore many avenues here. I’m not going into it myself right now. I rather remain in the main pipe and gather the other pieces first before I decide what I will do.
I’ve tried to find the other 9 Nulei of Continents’ locations but I didn’t. If anyone know where they are located, as in having the list, it would be great if it could be shared with us in this thread.
In the third notable, it’s also said that this Medicine Wheel in Big Horn Wymong, might actually be a Woodhenge. I got curious and I decided to make a visual for myself to get the idea how it looks like. This is in NO way ACCURATE, I’m just doing it randomly to get an idea how it might be, so the positioning of the wooden columns is not accurate at all. I put 6 on the rim of the Medicine Wheel and I think the 7th one is at the center where I put a yellow circle on the ground.
I don’t know how I should take this: I have many thoughts in my head after looking at this edited/made-up picture of mine. There are lot of things that comes to my mind and I don’t know which one it is for sure for now; like for example: the portal from Tron: legacy, like Leeloo in the 5th element emitting the light beam to vanquish evil, like from the movie Stargate when Daniel explained how the stargate worked by drawing a cube with 6 points projecting to the 7th point. I also know number 7 is also linked to something else that I will be talking about later on. And it reminds me of the dimensions of Aramu muru, Peru, which is a thought to be a portal. Loads of thinking to do as anons can see.
Since I found similarities with Tiwanaku/Lake Titicaca sites I decided to check out if there are any Sea life fossils on Big Horn Mountains. I’ve already attached a map for anons to see where the Mountains are located on the U.S. map. I landed on an interesting article that we will go through next.
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913b6b No.13263761
>>13263730
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https://www.arrowheadlodgewyoming.com/history-of-the-bighorns
“The Bighorn Mountains
This ancient mountain range that we call home has seen many changes in their lifetime. Estimated to have lifted during the orogeny period 70 million years ago, this sister range of the Rocky Mountains has seen oceans, tropical forests, dinosaurs, ice-ages, and even different civilizations. Today, they are an epic playground for mountain enthusiasts, but their geological history and spiritual history remain a key factor to why visitors from around the world visit each year.
A Breif History
Formation
70 million years ago, the Bighorns began their ascent from the depths of the sea. During the Laramide Orogeny period, the Bighorns rose to elevations well over 20,000 feet. Centuries of glaciation and common erosion wore the Bighorns down to their shape today. The massive peaks that once towered over the sea are now gone and only one glacier remains but their virtue has stayed the same.”
>> Let’s look closely to what was written: At some point, the Big Horn Mountains were under the SEA. Then the summits emerged, making it look like an island, just like how Hawaii is right now. Slowly the water receded and more and more land emerged from under the water. But it was not over because a glaciation occurred not long after. It fits perfectly to what had happened elsewhere like the M.East and the Andean region. But now, we have a new piece of information, a new element = a glaciation occurred after the land emerged from under the water. Take note anons, and put it in the list of the Cataclysmic events along with active volcanoes and earthquakes etc.
“Erosion of the ancient mountains has revealed some of the oldest rocks on the planet. 3.25 billion year old precambrian formations can be seen along the Bighorn Scenic Byway and high into the Cloud Peak Wilderness. Along with the extraordinary granite and sedimentary rock configurations, there is signs of glaciation erosion from the ice ages in the Cloud Peak Wilderness area. Cloud Peak, which sits at 13,166 feet, is home to the last remaining glacier in the Bighorns.”
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913b6b No.13263783
>>13263761
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“Because of their uplift from an ancient sea bed, it isn’t uncommon to find fossils in the Bighorns. In fact, Shell Canyon is named after its thousands of fossilized sea shells that decorate the canyon’s floor.”
>> So it seems the land was torn under the surface of the sea and the Big Horn Mountains emerged from it. And this is why we have many sea shells on the canyon floor. The Sea Water was retreating, but a glaciation occurred.
“First people
The mysterious Medicine Wheel has served as a spiritual, religious, and iconic landmark for travelers for thousands of years on top of the Bighorns. A short 30 minute drive from Arrowhead, this historic landmark has puzzled archeologist for decades. Even the Crow tribe have stated that the wheel was present long before their arrival. Prior to the Crow Nation, the Arapaho often made the long trek up the Bighorns from the nearby Bighorn Basin and used the wheel for ceremonial purposes. Sitting at an elevation of 9462 feet, this trek was no easy task. To this day, no indigenous nation has laid claims to the Medicine Wheel. Some archeologist believe the wheel was constructed thousands of years ago while others believe its just a few hundred years old. Today, curious travelers can visit the sacred site and come up with their own theories on the purpose of the wheel and its origins. Find out how to get there here.
[…]”
>> Well anons, I’m part of the first group of archeologists whom believe this Medicine Wheel is thousands of years old. I will also add that it was most probably constructed by Flood survivors or their direct descendants. I’m not saying my words lightly. With time, as I progress, the reader will understand better why I’m saying these words.
As the reader has noticed, I’ve skipped the remaining of the article since it doesn’t bring any new information useful for this thread. If interested, anons can use the link to read it.
I will end it here with the Big Horn Mountains and the Medicine Wheel.
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913b6b No.13263839
>>13263783
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The next item I want to talk about is also a common one to a lot of the Native Americans and that is the Totem poles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totem_pole
“Totem poles (Haida: gyáaʼaang) are monumental carvings, a type of Northwest Coast art, consisting of poles, posts or pillars, carved with symbols or figures. They are usually made from large trees, mostly western red cedar, by First Nations and indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest coast including northern Northwest Coast Haida, Tlingit, and Tsimshian communities in Southeast Alaska and British Columbia, Kwakwaka'wakw and Nuu-chah-nulth communities in southern British Columbia, and the Coast Salish communities in Washington and British Columbia.
The word totem derives from the Algonquian word odoodem [oˈtuːtɛm] meaning "(his) kinship group". The carvings may symbolize or commemorate ancestors, cultural beliefs that recount familiar legends, clan lineages, or notable events. The poles may also serve as functional architectural features, welcome signs for village visitors, mortuary vessels for the remains of deceased ancestors, or as a means to publicly ridicule someone. They may embody a historical narrative of significance to the people carving and installing the pole. Given the complexity and symbolic meanings of these various carvings, their placement and importance lies in the observer's knowledge and connection to the meanings of the figures and the culture in which they are embedded.
“History
Totem poles serve as important illustrations of family lineage and the cultural heritage of the Native peoples in the islands and coastal areas of North America's Pacific Northwest, especially British Columbia, Canada, and coastal areas of Washington and southeastern Alaska in the United States. Families of traditional carvers come from the Haida, Tlingit, Tsimshian, Kwakwaka’wakw (Kwakiutl), Nuxalk (Bella Coola), and Nuu-chah-nulth (Nootka), among others. The poles are typically carved from the highly rot-resistant trunks of Thuja plicata trees (popularly known as giant cedar or western red cedar), which eventually decay in the moist, rainy climate of the coastal Pacific Northwest. Because of the region's climate and the nature of the materials used to make the poles, few examples carved before 1900 remain. Noteworthy examples, some dating as far back as 1880, include those at the Royal British Columbia Museum in Victoria, the Museum of Anthropology at UBC in Vancouver, the Canadian Museum of History in Gatineau, and the Totem Heritage Center in Ketchikan, Alaska.
Totem poles are the largest, but not the only, objects that coastal Pacific Northwest natives use to depict spiritual reverence, family legends, sacred beings and culturally important animals, people, or historical events. The freestanding poles seen by the region's first European explorers were likely preceded by a long history of decorative carving. Stylistic features of these poles were borrowed from earlier, smaller prototypes, or from the interior support posts of house beams.
Although 18th-century accounts of European explorers traveling along the coast indicate that decorated interior and exterior house posts existed prior to 1800, the posts were smaller and fewer in number than in subsequent decades. Prior to the 19th century, the lack of efficient carving tools, along with sufficient wealth and leisure time to devote to the craft, delayed the development of elaborately carved, freestanding poles. Before iron and steel arrived in the area, Natives used tools made of stone, shells, or beaver teeth for carving. The process was slow and laborious; axes were unknown. By the late eighteenth century, the use of metal cutting tools enabled more complex carvings and increased production of totem poles. The tall monumental poles appearing in front of native homes in coastal villages probably did not appear until after the beginning of the nineteenth century.”
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913b6b No.13263883
>>13263839
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“Eddie Malin has proposed that totem poles progressed from house posts, funerary containers, and memorial markers into symbols of clan and family wealth and prestige. He argues that the Haida people of the islands of Haida Gwaii originated carving of the poles, and that the practice spread outward to the Tsimshian and Tlingit, and then down the coast to the indigenous people of British Columbia and northern Washington. Malin's theory is supported by the photographic documentation of the Pacific Northwest coast's cultural history and the more sophisticated designs of the Haida poles.
Accounts from the 1700s describe and illustrate carved poles and timber homes along the coast of the Pacific Northwest. By the early nineteenth century, widespread importation of iron and steel tools from Great Britain, the United States, and elsewhere led to easier and more rapid production of carved wooden goods, including poles.
In the 19th century, American and European trade and settlement initially led to the growth of totem-pole carving, but United States and Canadian policies and practices of acculturation and assimilation caused a decline in the development of Alaska Native and First Nations cultures and their crafts, and sharply reduced totem-pole production by the end of the century. Between 1830 and 1880, the maritime fur trade, mining, and fisheries gave rise to an accumulation of wealth among the coastal peoples. Much of it was spent and distributed in lavish potlatch celebrations, frequently associated with the construction and erection of totem poles. The monumental poles commissioned by wealthy family leaders to represent their social status and the importance of their families and clans. In the 1880s and 1890s, tourists, collectors, scientists and naturalist interested in native culture collected and photographed totem poles and other artifacts, many of which were put on display at expositions such as the 1876 Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and the 1893 World's Columbia Exposition in Chicago, Illinois.
In the 19th and early 20th centuries, before the passage of the American Indian Religious Freedom Act in 1978, the practice of Native religion was outlawed, and traditional indigenous cultural practices were also strongly discouraged by Christian missionaries. This included the carving of totem poles. Missionaries urged converts to cease production and destroy existing poles. Nearly all totem-pole-making had ceased by 1901. Carving of monumental and mortuary poles continued in some, more remote Native villages as late as 1905; however, as the original sites were a bandoned, the poles and timber homes were left to decay and vandalism.
Beginning in the late 1930s, a combination of cultural, linguistic, and artistic revivals, along with scholarly interest and the continuing fascination and support of an educated and empathetic public, led to a renewal and extension of this artistic tradition. In 1938 the United States Forest Service began a program to reconstruct and preserve the old poles, salvaging about 200, roughly one-third of those known to be standing at the end of the 19th century. With renewed interest in Native arts and traditions in the 1960s and 1970s, freshly carved totem poles were erected up and down the coast, while related artistic production was introduced in many new and traditional media, ranging from tourist trinkets to masterful works in wood, stone, blown and etched glass, and other traditional and non-traditional media.”
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913b6b No.13263931
>>13263883
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>> This historic section is kinda weird. It’s like the totem poles appeared out of nowhere in the late 1800. Barely any mention to anything related to the totem poles before that date. It’s clear the totem poles are old tradition and used a long time despite the lack of proper, “easier” tools to carve them. So it’s making me wonder if this is done on purpose or it as simple as no information was preserved about the older times – not even in tribal tradition and memory.
“Meaning and purpose
Totem poles can symbolize the characters and events in mythology, or convey the experiences of recent ancestors and living people. Some of these characters may appear as stylistic representations of objects in nature, while others are more realistically carved. Pole carvings may include animals, fish, plants, insects, and humans, or they may represent supernatural beings such as the Thunderbird. Some symbolize beings that can transform themselves into another form, appearing as combinations of animals or part-animal/part-human forms. Consistent use of a specific character over time, with some slight variations in carving style, helped develop similarities among these shared symbols that allowed people to recognize one from another. For example, the raven is symbolized by a long, straight beak, while the eagle's beak is curved, and a beaver is depicted with two large front teeth, a piece of wood held in his front paws, and a paddle-shaped tail.”
>> Please anons, read this paragraph very slowly and carefully. It puts such a huge smile on my face. I don’t know about the reader, but for me the bird of prey jet suits comes to mind. I just love how it’s described as “supernatural”. I bet it was a magnificent sight to see one.
“The meanings of the designs on totem poles are as varied as the cultures that make them. Some poles celebrate cultural beliefs that may recount familiar legends, clan lineages, or notable events, while others are mostly artistic. Animals and other characters carved on the pole are typically used as symbols to represent characters or events in a story; however, some may reference the moiety of the pole's owner, or simply fill up empty space on the pole. The carved figures interlock one above the other to create the overall design, which may rise to a height of 60 ft (18 m) or more. Smaller carvings may be positioned in vacant spaces, or they may be tucked inside the ears or hang out of the mouths of the pole's larger figures.”
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913b6b No.13264012
>>13263931
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“Some of the figures on the poles constitute symbolic reminders of quarrels, murders, debts, and other unpleasant occurrences about which the Native Americans prefer to remain silent… The most widely known tales, like those of the exploits of Raven and of Kats who married the bear woman, are familiar to almost every native of the area. Carvings which symbolize these tales are sufficiently conventionalized to be readily recognizable even by persons whose lineage did not recount them as their own legendary history.
Those from cultures that do not carve totem poles often assume that the linear representation of the figures places the most importance on the highest figure, an idea that became pervasive in the dominant culture after it entered into mainstream parlance by the 1930s with the phrase "low man on the totem pole" (and as the title of a bestselling 1941 humor book by H. Allen Smith). However, Native sources either reject the linear component altogether, or reverse the hierarchy, with the most important representations on the bottom, bearing the weight of all the other figures, or at eye level with the viewer to heighten their significance. Many poles have no vertical arrangement at all, consisting of a lone figure atop an undecorated column.”
>> The cultural difference in the interpretation given in the last paragraph is huge. This is to show anons that you need to be extra careful on how you interpret things when you are tackling another culture. If something looks to us in a specific way, it doesn’t mean it has the same meaning in the culture that created it. I’ve said these words before and had given the Dendera Zodiac signs as an example back then.
I was very intrigued by the whale on top of the person in one of the Totem you see in this picture. So, I went back to look, starting with Mesopotamia and I found the pictures I’m attaching with this page about the Anunnaki Fish Men. If we have winged military gear and suits that helps human fly, then couldn’t we have similar gear to help human swim and breath underwater? What do you think anons?
The Sumerians aren’t the only ones with Fish people iconography, we find them as well in the Dogon People. They are represented as depicted in the last picture I’ve attached to this page and they are linked to the Nommos.
Not enough, well do you remember the Orca geoglyph in the Paracas culture (Page 383)? Look closely to what is depicted in front of the Orca = a fish form with a human face, right? What do you think could that be? Could it be a human wearing a swimming/diving gear similar to the Birds of Prey gear? I say YES and it’s probably for military purpose.
I hope the reader now understand why I couldn’t come out from the start and say this and that. No one would have believed me. I had to proceed this way to present my case. Anons can read and look for themselves to make up their own minds. Just remember that archeological artifacts are SOURCE for researchers, so look at the artifacts and make up your own minds.
“Types
There are six basic types of upright, pole carvings that are commonly referred to as "totem poles"; not all involve the carving of what may be considered "totem" figures: house frontal poles, interior house posts, mortuary poles, memorial poles, welcome poles, and the ridicule or shame pole.”
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913b6b No.13264034
>>13264012
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“House frontal poles
This type of pole, usually 20 to 40 ft (6 to 12 m) tall is the most decorative. Its carvings tell the story of the family, clan or village who own them. These poles are also known as heraldic, crest, or family poles. Poles of this type are placed outside the clan house of the most important village leaders. Often, watchman figures are carved at the top of the pole to protect the pole owner's family and the village. Another type of house frontal pole is the entrance or doorway pole, which is attached to the center front of the home and includes an oval-shaped opening through the base that serves as the entrance to the clan house.
House posts
These interior poles, typically 7 to 10 ft (2 to 3 m) in height, are usually shorter than exterior poles. The interior posts support the roof beam of a clan house and include a large notch at the top, where the beam can rest. A clan house may have two to four or more house posts, depending on the cultural group who built it. Carvings on these poles, like those of the house frontal poles, are often used as a storytelling device and help tell the story of the owners' family history. House posts were carved by the Coast Salish and were more common than the free-standing totem poles seen in Northern cultural groups.
Mortuary pole
The rarest type of pole carving is a mortuary structure that incorporates grave boxes with carved supporting poles. It may include a recessed back to hold the grave box. These are among the tallest and most prominent poles, reaching 50 to 70 ft (15 to 21 m) in height. The Haida and Tlingit people erect mortuary poles at the death of important individuals in the community. These poles may have a single figure carved at the top, which may depict the clan's crest, but carvings usually cover its entire length. Ashes or the body of the deceased person are placed in the upper portion of the pole.
Memorial pole
This type of pole, which usually stands in front of a clan house, is erected about a year after a person has died. The clan chief's memorial pole may be raised at the center of the village. The pole's purpose is to honor the deceased person and identify the relative who is taking over as his successor within the clan and the community. Traditionally, the memorial pole has one carved figure at the top, but an additional figure may also be added at the bottom of the pole.
Memorial poles may also commemorate an event. For example, several memorial totem poles were erected by the Tlingits in honor of Abraham Lincoln, one of which was relocated to Saxman, Alaska, in 1938. The Lincoln pole at Saxman commemorates the end of hostilities between two rival Tlingit clans and symbolizes the hope for peace and prosperity following the American occupation of the Alaskan territory. The story begins in 1868, when the United States government built a customs house and fort on Tongass Island and left the US revenue cutter Lincoln to patrol the area. After American soldiers at the fort and aboard the Lincoln provided protection to the Tongass group against its rival, the Kagwantans, the Tongass group commissioned the Lincoln pole to commemorate the event.
Welcome pole
Carved by the Kwakwaka'wakw (Kwakiutl), Salish and Nuu-chah-nulth (Nootka) people, most of the poles include large carvings of human figures, some as tall as 40 ft (12 m). Welcome poles are placed at the edge of a stream or saltwater beach to welcome guests to the community, or possibly to intimidate strangers.”
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913b6b No.13264096
>>13264034
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“Shame/ridicule pole
Poles used for public ridicule are usually called shame poles, and were created to embarrass individuals or groups for their unpaid debts or when they did something wrong. The poles are often placed in prominent locations and removed after the debt is paid or the wrong is corrected. Shame pole carvings represent the person being shamed.
One famous shame pole is the Seward Pole at the Saxman Totem Park in Saxman, Alaska. It was created to shame former U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward for not reciprocating the courtesy or generosity of his Tlingit hosts following a potlatch given in his honor. The intent of this pole is indicated by the figure's red-painted nose and ears to symbolize Seward's stinginess.
Another example of the shame pole is the Three Frogs pole on Chief Shakes Island, at Wrangell, Alaska. This pole was erected by Chief Shakes to shame the Kiks.ádi clan into repaying a debt incurred for the support of three Kiks.ádi women who were allegedly cohabiting with three slaves in Shakes's household. When the Kiks.ádi leaders refused to pay support for the women, Shakes commissioned a pole with carvings of three frogs, which represented the crest of the Kiks.ádi clan. It is not known if the debt was ever repaid. The pole stands next to the Chief Shakes Tribal House in Wrangell. The pole's unique crossbar shape has become popularly associated with the town of Wrangell, and continues to be used as part of the Wrangell Sentinel newspaper's masthead.
In 1942, the U.S. Forest Service commissioned a pole to commemorate Alexander Baranof, the Russian governor and Russian American Company manager, as a civilian works project. The pole's original intent was to commemorate a peace treaty between the Russians and Tlingits that the governor helped broker in 1805. George Benson, a Sitka carver and craftsman, created the original design. The completed version originally stood in Totem Square in downtown Sitka, Alaska. When Benson and other Sitka carvers were not available to do the work, the U.S. Forest Service had CCC workers carve the pole in Wrangell, Alaska. Because Sitka and Wrangell native groups were rivals, it has been argued that the Wrangell carvers may have altered Benson's original design. For unknown reasons, the Wrangell carvers depicted the Baranov figure without clothes.Following a Sitka Tribe of Alaska-sponsored removal ceremony, the pole was lowered due to safety concerns on October 20, 2010, using funds from the Alaska Dept. of Health and Social Services. The Sitka Sentinel reported that while standing, it was "said to be the most photographed totem [pole] in Alaska".The pole was re-erected in Totem Square in 2011.
On March 24, 2007, a shame pole was erected in Cordova, Alaska, that includes the inverted and distorted face of former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond. The pole represents the unpaid debt of $5 billion in punitive damages that a federal court in Anchorage, Alaska, determined Exxon owes for its role in causing the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Prince William Sound.”
>> This section was fun to read.
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913b6b No.13264141
>>13264096
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“Totem poles outside of original context
Some poles from the Pacific Northwest have been moved to other locations for display out of their original context.
In 1903 Alaska's district governor, John Green Brady, collected fifteen Tlingit and Haida totem poles for public displays from villages in southeastern Alaska. At the Louisiana Purchase Exposition (the world's fair held in Saint Louis, Missouri, in 1904), fourteen of them were initially installed outside the Alaska pavilion at the fair; the other one, which had broken in transit, was repaired and installed at the fair's Esquimau Village. Thirteen of these poles were returned to Alaska, where they were eventually installed in the Sitka National Historical Park. The other two poles were sold; one pole from the Alaska pavilion went the Milwaukee Public Museum and the pole from the Esquimau Village was sold and then given to industrialist David M. Parry, who installed it on his estate in what became known as the Golden Hill neighborhood of Indianapolis, Indiana. Although the remains of the original pole at Golden Hill no longer exist, a replica was raised on April 13, 1996, on the front lawn of The Eiteljorg Museum of American Indians and Western Art in Indianapolis. Approximately two years later, the replica was moved inside the museum, and in 2005, it was installed in a new atrium after completion of a museum expansion project.”
>> It’s incredible how only 13 poles made it back. In the first Bridges and Maps thread I’ve dug St. Louis with the help of other anons (thank you frens, I hope you are reading) and it was clear to me back then that this Louisiana Purchase Exposition was made by (((them))). Loads of fishy things happened with this Expedition and if I remember well, there were some symbolism involved as well. So for me, it’s clear in this paragraph that (((they))) were interested in the totem poles and seems like (((they))) got (((their))) hands on 2 of them.
“Indian New Deal
The Indian New Deal of the 1930s strongly promoted native arts and crafts, and in the totem pole they discovered an art that was widely appreciated by white society. In Alaska the Indian Division of the Civilian Conservation Corps restored old totem poles, copied those beyond repair, and carved new ones. The Indian Arts and Crafts Board, a federal government agency, facilitated their sale to the general public. The project was lucrative, but anthropologists complained that it stripped the natives of their traditional culture and stripped away the meaning of the totem poles.
Another example occurred in 1938, when the U.S. Forest Service began a totem pole restoration program in Alaska. Poles were removed from their original places as funerary and crest poles to be copied or repaired and then placed in parks based on English and French garden designs to demystify their meaning for tourist.”
>> Those totem poles should have been restored and put back in their original place.
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913b6b No.13264160
>>13264141
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“In England at the side of Virginia Water Lake, in the south of Windsor Great Park, there is a 100-foot (30 m) tall Canadian totem pole that was given to Queen Elizabeth II to commemorate the centenary of British Columbia. In Seattle, Washington, a Tlingit funerary totem pole was raised in Pioneer Square in 1899, after being taken from an Alaskan village. In addition, the totem pole collections in Vancouver's Stanley Park, Victoria's Thunderbird Park, and the Museum of Anthropology at the University of British Columbia were removed from their original locations around British Columbia. In Stanley Park, the original Skedans Mortuary Pole has been returned to Haida Gwaii and is now replaced by a replica. In the late 1980s, the remaining carved poles were sent to various museums for preservation, with the then park board commissioning and loaning replacement carvings.”
>> Anyone reading surprised the old Brit Queen was “gifted” a totem pole? She kept it close, didn’t she? And I want to point out that I’m against removing ANY monument, artifact – in this case the totem poles, from their original context. Why? Because I consider it as a disfigurement of historical context and trying to disturb the FLOW OF TIME. It should be restored, taken care of and then put back into place. Oh! This includes the Costa Rica Petrospheres by the way.
“Construction and maintenance
After the tree to be used for the totem pole is selected, it is cut down and moved to the carving site, where the bark and outer layer of wood (sapwood) is removed. Next, the side of the tree to be carved is chosen and the back half of the tree is removed. The center of the log is hollowed out to make it lighter and to keep it from cracking. Early tools used to carve totem poles were made of stone, shell, or bone, but beginning in the late 1700s, the use of iron tools made the carving work faster and easier. In the early days, the basic design for figures may have been painted on the wood to guide the carvers, but today's carvers use paper patterns as outlines for their designs. Carvers use chain saws to make the rough shapes and cuts, while adzes and chisels are used to chop the wood. Carvers use knives and other woodworking tools to add the finer details. When the carving is complete, paint is added to enhance specific details of the figures.”
>> Fascinating craftsmanship.
“Raising a totem pole is rarely done using modern methods, even for poles installed in modern settings. Most artists use a traditional method followed by a pole-raising ceremony. The traditional method calls for a deep trench to be dug. One end of the pole is placed at the bottom of the trench; the other end is supported at an upward angle by a wooden scaffold. Hundreds of strong men haul the pole upright into its footing, while others steady the pole from side ropes and brace it with cross beams. Once the pole is upright, the trench is filled with rocks and dirt. After the raising is completed, the carver, the carver's assistants, and others invited to attend the event perform a celebratory dance next to the pole. A community potlatch celebration typically follows the pole raising to commemorate the event.”
>> This is very interesting and it reminds me of the raising of the Djed in Ancient Egypt (page 103).
“Totem poles are typically not well maintained after their installation and the potlatch celebration. The poles usually last from 60 to 80 years; only a few have stood longer than 75 years, and even fewer have reached 100 years of age. Once the wood rots so badly that the pole begins to lean and pose a threat to passersby, it is either destroyed or pushed over and removed. Older poles typically fall over during the winter storms that batter the coast. The owners of a collapsed pole may commission a new one to replace it.”
>> Well I guess this is the reason why we don’ have many before the late 1800s. It’s a shame isn’t it?
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913b6b No.13264238
>>13264160
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“Cultural property
Each culture typically has complex rules and customs regarding the traditional designs represented on poles. The designs are generally considered the property of a particular clan or family group of traditional carvers, and this ownership of the designs may not be transferred to the person who has commissioned the carvings. There have been protests when those who have not been trained in the traditional carving methods, cultural meanings and protocol, have made "fake totem poles" for what could be considered crass public display and commercial purposes. The misappropriation of coastal Pacific Northwest culture by the art and tourist trinket market has resulted in production of cheap imitations of totem poles executed with little or no knowledge of their complex stylistic conventions or cultural significance. These include imitations made for commercial and even comedic use in venues that serve alcohol, and in other settings that are insensitive or outright offensive to the sacred nature of some of the carvings,”
>> This cultural theft and disrespect.
“In the early 1990s, the Haisla First Nation of the Pacific Northwest began a lengthy struggle to repatriate a sacred totem from Sweden's Museum of Ethnography. Their successful efforts were documented in Gil Cardinal's National Film Board of Canada documentary, Totem: The Return of the G'psgolox Pole.
In October 2015 a Tlingit totem Pole was returned from Hawaii to Alaska.
[…]”
Those totem poles are impressive and terribly interesting; but a bit, just a bit puzzling. They remind of many artifacts we’ve seen so far in this thread from many cultures/civilizations: Like the Lanzon and the obelisks in the Chavin Culture, Like the Pachacamac idol in the Wari Culture and like the Egyptian Obelisks and the Djed which were raised as described for the totem pole, both of them; with the raising ceremony included. As an anon pointed out in Bridges and Maps thread 4, there are many other cultures/civilizations which held ceremonies of raising a pole. Seems this practice is very ancient and looking how it was spread worldwide, I think it had some common point, a common starting origin, root. This is an interesting research subject for those whom are interested in the issue.
As for the carvings on the totem poles, as in what is carved on them, it varies from one American Native culture to another. But I’m personally in the mindset that the ThunderBird is none other than a warrior wearing the Bird of Prey gear and Jet Suit. It would be interesting to find its origin and how this tradition was transmitted to younger generations and what variation and/or mutation it went through.
Also, I’m wondering if this totem pole has some sort of connection of the Medicine Wheel we took a look at earlier. If the reader remembers, when taking a look at the Medicine Wheel in Big Horn Mountains, Wyoming, it was said that it might have been a Woodhenge, based on the holes for wooden POLES to fit in. Back then, I had an image that these wooden poles might be plain, simple, flat. But now, I’m wondering if they weren’t carved and somehow the practice was forgotten but only the carving of the poles remained and it mutated into carving totem poles. I’m not saying this is the case. I’m just scratching my head about it, wondering if there is a link, an ancient connection between the two; but I might be totally wrong. This needs further exploring and serious study, taking into consideration a “possible” link between the two.
I’m going to stop here with the totem pole.
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913b6b No.13264253
>>13264238
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In page 730, someone of HIGH importance was mention = the ThunderBird, so next I’m going to take a closer look to our Great Warrior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(mythology)
“The thunderbird is a legendary creature in certain North American indigenous peoples' history and culture. It is considered a supernatural being of power and strength. It is especially important, and frequently depicted, in the art, songs and oral histories of many Pacific Northwest Coast cultures, but is also found in various forms among some peoples of the American Southwest, East Coast of the United States, Great Lakes, and Great Plains.
Algonquian
In Algonquian mythology, the thunderbird controls the upper world while the underworld is controlled by the underwater panther or Great Horned Serpent. The thunderbird throws lightning at the underworld creatures and creates thunder by flapping its wings. Thunderbirds in this tradition are commonly depicted as having an X-shaped appearance. This varies from a simple X to recognizable birds. The X-shaped thunderbird is often used to depict the thunderbird with its wings alongside its body and the head facing forwards instead of in profile.”
>> This is very interesting. It reminds me of the battle of Ra with Apep in the underworld as well. It’s not identical, but there are echoes of it. I’ve also attached a few pictures of the X-shaped marks for anons to see. It is varied as it is said in this Wikipedia page. Also, on the third picture, what is the ThunderBird holding in his hand? = a tree branch or a Staff emitting lightning? It’s interesting, isn’t it?
“Menominee
The Menominee of Northern Wisconsin tell of a great mountain that floats in the western sky on which dwell the thunderbirds. They control the rain and hail and delight in fighting and deeds of greatness. They are the enemies of the great horned snakes - the Misikinubik - and have prevented these from overrunning the earth and devouring mankind. They are messengers of the Great Sun himself.”
>> This paragraph is among the smallest in this thread and it’s probably among the most important ever, so please read it slowly and carefully. Take notes, it’s extremely important.
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913b6b No.13264280
>>13264253
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The notables are:
1 – Great Mountain that floats in the Western Sky.
2 – It’s where the Thunberbirds dwell.
3 – They CONTROL the rain and hail.
4 – They delight in FIGHTING.
5 – They are excellent in the deeds of GREATNESS.
6 – They are the enemies of the great Horned SNAKES = the Misikinibik – how many times did we see the sky deities fight the serpents/snakes?
7 – They have prevented the snakes from overpowering mankind and be devoured = EATEN by them.
8 – They are the messengers of the Great Sun himself = reminds me of the Staff-God HELPERS on the Gateway of the Sun in Tiwanaku. Also the Eye of Ra was also considered as part of him or kinda his helper.
I don’t know about you anons, but from just reading this, I’m certain this ThunderBird is none other than our Birds of prey Jet Suits warriors I’ve been talking about. Please check the iconography of the Staff-God HELPERS on the gate in page 476. It was also said that the CHILDREN of the SUN emerged out of the WATERS of Lake Titicaca (page 492). It’s starting to fit perfectly, isn’t it? And this confirms what I was thinking about the Staff they are holding, and this includes the Staff held by the Staff-God = it emits electricity.
It’s incredibly close to the soldiers/guardians of Ra in the Stargate movie, including their helmets and the weapons they are carrying – picture page 205. Not to forget the very telling statues in Nicaragua – page 660 – which are obviously people wearing the Birds of Prey Headgear and Jet Suit. Oh and do not forget the Anunnaki ^_^ It’s incredible how everything ties together, doesn’t it anons?
What do you think that Great Floating Mountain where they dwell is? I’m not asking this in a shallow way, I want anons to think about it for now. As for the ThunderBirds controlling the rain and hail, isn’t that like controlling the WEATHER? And doesn’t this remind us of nowadays Cabal technology that controls the weather? An anon once asked me what are the technologies hidden from us by cabal, I say you can make a list of 3 about them:
1 – Ancient tech that we recently discovered cabal like this weather controlling device. We know this tech exists as in (((they))) managed to recreated it.
2 – Ancient tech that we still know nothing about till this moment in time but suspect of existing like the Weapon Staff used by the Staff-God and his Helpers or the Jet Suit. (((They))) might have recreated them, at least partially.
3 – Ancient tech which (((they))) weren’t able to recreate till now, like the healing beds we saw in Stargate (page 205) and Elysium (page 207).
I’m not going to make lists myself anons, from any kind, but you already have plenty of material in this thread to start making lists in the subjects that you are interested in.
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913b6b No.13264300
>>13264280
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Notables 4 & 5 are proof we are talking about warriors, Great warriors. It reminds me of a very specific person whom is a great warrior I know of ^_~ It also shows I was right all along = this is military equipment/gear.
Notables 6 & 7: I’m going to repeat what I said: how many times did we see a FIGHT, combat, between a sky deity, mostly an eagle = birds of prey (symbol of good) and a snake/dragon (symbol of evil)? And they have 2 new pieces of information now: A- These snakes are horned. B – They overrun but mostly EAT humans. Now doesn’t it remind anons of the Bloodlines? It’s the Sky warriors that ALWAYS defended humans from the cruelty and horrors of the Horned Snakes. This is not once or twice, but many times.
And last notable: These Thunderbirds are Messengers = Helpers of the Great Sun Himself = Identical to Viracocha/Staff-God and his Helpers at gateway of the Sun.
I don’t know about you anons, but I love reading about the Thunderbirds.
“Ojibwe
The Ojibwe version of the myth states that the thunderbirds were created by Nanabozho for the purpose of fighting the underwater spirits. They were also used to punish humans who broke moral rules. The thunderbirds lived in the four directions and arrived with the other birds in the springtime. In the fall they migrated south after the ending of the underwater spirits' most dangerous season.”
>> This is terribly interesting. The ThunderBirds didn’t just fight the underwater spirits but they also restored LAW and ORDER among humans whenever they broke it. It’s very interesting as well what was said about the ThunderBirds living in the 4 directions, reminding me of the Dendera Zodiac and the 4 world trees in Teotihuacan page 270. And just a reminder that the deity in that page went to the underworld where it brought back the bones that were ground and humans were made of them. Doesn’t this resonate now with the idea seen before (mostly the Ayar brothers) in this thread that SOME humans came out from the ground/caves?
As for the “migration” I don’t know how to understand this. Is it a migration inspired from what birds do nowadays as in it’s simple observation? Or does this have something to do with the Winter Solstice which the Bloodlines are fond of? Or does this mean the ThunderBirds left in their Flying Mountain just like the deity fled the Flood in its flying thing in the Epic of Gilgamesh? For now, the image is still unclear for me.
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913b6b No.13264342
>>13264300
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“Ho-Chunk
Ho-Chunk tradition states that a man who has a vision of a thunderbird during a solitary fast will become a war chief.”
>> I don’t doubt those words at all because we are talking ThunderBirds being GREAT WARRIORS.
“Scientific interpretation
The historians Adrienne Mayor and Tom Holland have suggested that thunderbird stories are based on discoveries of pterosaur fossils by Native Americans.”
>> C’est une histoire à dormir debout. This made me chuckle anons. It’s a long stretch, extremely long.
“In modern usage
• In 1925, Aleuts were recorded as using the term to describe the Douglas World Cruiser aircraft which passed through Atka on the first aerial circumnavigation by a US Army team the previous year.
• In one of his speeches, which took place few days before the Iranian revolution, Shapour Bakhtiar, the last Prime Minister of Imperial Iran, said: "I am a thunderbird, I am not afraid of the storm." Due to this, Bakhtiar is known as the Thunderbird.
>> Take a look at the last picture I’ve attached anons. Is this an artistic representation of a man in front of the ThunderBird? Or is it a human wearing a ThumberBird flying gear? You decided.
There is one more ThunderBird that comes to my mind = F 16 C Fighting Falcon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Thunderbirds
“The squadron's name is taken from the legendary creature that appears in the mythologies of several indigenous North American cultures.”
Look at the pictures anons, do you think this is a coincidence? And if I remember correctly (I’m no military expert) but there were also planes called BLUE ANGELS. These names are not random anons. They have more meaning and weight than anyone can imagine. Potus is very naughty. He was sending an incredible message to humanity but we didn’t understand what it means then = the PROTECTORS ARE BACK. Every single thing Potus did was incredibly calculated and very thought of, it held great messages/meanings. That’s why I said he was naughty. I bet this drove the Bloodlines out of their minds (huge grin on my face).
Anons have no idea of the ERA that is coming our way. It’s going to be totally mind blowing, in a good way… depending on…one…person… it’s a heavy weight to be carried by one person. And no one will ever know.
By the way, when I say Potus….there is one Potus, ever…. And that is Mr. Trump. The other one, is a silicon, plastic face actor.
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913b6b No.13264380
>>13264342
(Please read from the start)
After reading about the ThunderBird and realizing what he is, I got hungry for more information about him and I went looking for it: https://www.ancientpages.com/2017/03/26/powerful-thunderbird-sent-gods-protect-humans-evil-native-american-legends/
“Powerful Thunderbird Sent By The Gods To Protect Humans From Evil In Native American Legends
March 26, 2017
“Ellen Lloyd - AncientPages.com - Native Americans have wonderful legends of a powerful and magnificent Thunderbird that was sent by the Gods to protect humans from evil.
When this huge, eagle-like bird soared the skies, one could hear its mighty wings beat with the sound of rolling thunder. Its eyes were burning like fire and caused lighting.
The Thunderbird was no ordinary bird. It was the spirit of the storm and a supernatural creature that was just as much feared as admired. Often described as a shapeshifter, it lived in a cloud, above the highest peak the tribe could see or in a cave in the mountains.
Various tribes tell slightly different stories about the magical Thunderbird, but all Indians feared the bird and tried not to anger it.
Legends Of Winnebago Indians: The Thunderbird Was A Shapeshifter
Winnebago Indians of the northern Midwest and Plains state believed that the Thunderbird possessed supernatural powers. The Thunderbird was a shapeshifter and could take the form of humans. Interestingly, the legendary falcon warrior or "birdman" is a common motif in Mississippian culture. It has been depicted with a beaked face on unearthed artifacts from Cahokia to Georgia.”
>> Yes, the ThunderBird did have supernatural powers if he was that big in size and had weapons that emitted lighting = electricity. I don’t think these warriors were simple humans, as in they were trained soldiers. They are very similar to the elite trained soldiers we have nowadays: they are stronger, faster than the normal citizen. They can run faster, are more agile, carry heavier weight, have more stamina etc. than the normal human. And they are far better than us in using weapons and in combat, they are deadlier than us. So add to it an incredibly advanced technology that enabled them to fly and weapons with incredible fire power. I wonder what one blast of the lightning weapon = the staff, could do? Can it blow a wall or a boulder?
Take a look at the pictures I’ve attached with this page anons, see the birdman? I agree it’s the same as our ThunderBird. Just look at the location and the spread on the U.S. map. And the zigzag lines you see represented like an arch above his head, this is lightning. It’s clear in this iconography of the Birdman/ThunderBird that he is wearing a mask on his face with the beak of a Bird of prey shape.
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913b6b No.13264404
>>13264380
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It put a huge smile on my face to read that the ThunderBird was thought to be a shapeshifter. It didn’t surprise me one bit. In fact it fits perfectly with all the archeological artifacts = evidence we see in this thread. If you compare this iconography of the Birdman with the statues we saw in Nicaragua, mostly the helmet, they sure are almost identical, aren’t they?
As for the shapeshifting, it’s the ThunderBird putting on his fighting gear and taking it off. This is why in the legend/myth it is said that the warrior could take human form. This is an indicative that I’m right = it’s when the text (in this case the legend) fits the artifact and not the artifact that fits the text. And this is the perfect example of how the story of the ThunderBird/Birdman confirms the artifacts.
“In some traditions, Birdman is interpreted as a version of Red Horn, another heroic figure whose twin sons fought off a race of giants.
Scientists believe the Birdman was a warrior king, but it’s also possible this was the legendary Thunderbird.”
>> Yes, as I’ve said before, Birdman and ThunderBird are one and the same.
“According to Winnebago Indians, the Thunderbird was able to manipulate weather, affecting the winds and creating storms, lightning, thunder, and rain.
There was not just one Thunderbird, but many of them were often seen in the skies.”
>> I agree, there was not just ONE ThunderBird. These are warriors as in they were squadrons of them. I bet there was even a hierarchy like the one we have in nowadays army. And this is why we have so many of them. These are many soldiers not just one, all with Birds of Prey gear and Jet Suits = body armor, helmet and weapon = fighting gear. Think about modern day squadrons and how the unit members all wear the same gear and uniforms, just like what you see in the pictures I’ve attached with this page. It was the same with the ThunderBirds combat gear.
“The Thunderbirds were enemies with the Water Spirits and the giant birds used their lightning when crossing the waters, to protect them from the water spirits.”
>> Just like what was said in the Wikipedia page.
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913b6b No.13264431
>>13264404
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“Legend Of The Passamaquoddy Indians: The Thunderbirds Were Men Who Could Transform Themselves Into Flying Creatures
The Passamaquoddy Indians who live in northeastern North America, primarily in Maine and New Brunswick have legends that confirm the Thunderbirds were shapeshifters.
According to the Passamaquoddy, the Thunderbirds were men who could transform themselves into flying creatures. Their legend tells that “Thunderbird is an Indian and he or his lightning would never harm another Indian. But Wochowsen, great bird from the south, tried hard to rival Thunderbird. So Passamaquoddies feared Wochowsen, whose wings Gluskap once had broken, because he used too much power.
In Native American mythogoly, Gluskap is a mythical hero who defeated evil sorcerers and demon followers.”
>> Well, this section is another confirmation that the Birds of Prey gear was just that, fighting gear. It could be removed and placed = worn by humans. And there were more than one of these warriors. This equipment also “broke” because it was used a lot, just like modern day machines can break if they are overly used till wearing them out. And that last sentence indicates the presence of “the bad guys”, or the “evil side” as in the ones whom follow evil also survived the Great Flood, not just the good side followers.
“Legend Of The Quillayute Indians: The Thunderbird Was Sent By The Great Spirit
The Quillayute Indians of the Pacific Northwest remember how the Thunderbird was sent by the Great Spirit to help the Indians after a horrible disaster. The Indians had no food and many had died after rain and hail had fallen for many days, destroying all plants. After the rain came snow and the Indians called the Great Spirit for help and it then, he sent people the Thunderbird.”
>> Please read this paragraph slowly and carefully. It confirms what I have out so far from geology and archeology about the Cataclysm that took place. A Cataclysm can be described as a horrible disaster, no?
It’s normal that the survivors of this great calamity had no food after it occurred. It’s also normal for MANY to have died in such a calamity. We’ve seen before in this thread all the things that struck the earth: It did rain a lot as mentioned in the story of Noah of the Old Testament, but it was not just loads of rain that hit the earth worldwide back then. We saw volcanoes errupting, earth splitting, earthquakes happening. The earth even turned inside out, as if you are turning your pockets inside out.
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913b6b No.13264447
>>13264431
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But now we have another clue as to what happened and it corresponds to the geological findings we have in Big Horn Mountains, Wyoming = it was followed by an ICE AGE. When the storm of rain and hail (I bet it includes strong winds as well, maybe even tornadoes) occurred, that was during the cataclysm. Later, the initial cataclysm kinda calmed down, but not the aftereffects of it = consequences of it = it resulted in an ICE AGE on earth. And I bet it’s the Ice Age we refer to as RISS.
The one whom was called Great Spirit send the ThunderBirds in order to save, help and protect humanity. It’s very logical if you think about it anons. The ThunderBirds could easily escape the cataclysm by flying away in their individual flying gear. Not all would make it out of course, but I bet a big number of them did. And anons shouldn’t forget that where these ThunderBirds used to dwell = in a floating mountain. So it’s possible the Great Spirit was on that floating mountain as well and he sent the ThunderBirds to assist and protect the survivors of the Great Flood.
“The story of the Thunderbird’s arrival is described in detail in the book Indian Legends of the Pacific Northwest written by Ella E. Clark:
“The people waited. No one spoke. There was nothing but silence and darkness. Suddenly, there came a great noise, and flashes of lightning cut the darkness. A deep whirring sound, like giant wings beating, came from the place of the setting sun. All of the people turned to gaze toward the sky above the ocean as a huge, bird-shaped creature flew toward them.
This bird was larger than any they had ever seen. Its wings, from tip to tip, were twice as long as a war canoe. It had a huge, curving beak, and its eyes glowed like fire. The people saw that its great claws held a living, giant whale. In silence, they watched while Thunderbird - for so the bird was named by everyone - carefully lowered the whale to the ground before them.
Thunderbird then flew high in the sky, and went back to the thunder and lightning it had come from. Perhaps it flew back to its perch in the hunting grounds of the Great Spirit. Thunderbird and Whale saved the Quillayute from dying. The people knew that the Great Spirit had heard their prayer.”
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913b6b No.13264496
>>13264447
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“Even today they never forget that visit from Thunderbird, never forget that it ended long days of hunger and death. For on the prairie near their village are big, round stones that the grandfathers say are the hardened hailstones of that storm long ago."
>> I love this story. Do you think these sounds like thunder the ThunderBird did was him breaking through the sound barrier? = the sonic boom? It would make a sound like thunder if that happened, right? And then they said the ThunderBird carried a whale, well, is it doable if the Jet Suit was worn by a human almost double our current size? I don’t know, but it’s worth contemplating. And just how many people a whale can feed? = many, not a few, so in other words many persons survived the Great Flood.
It could be done with an airplane fighter combat jet, like the ones we see nowadays in the army. And this can also explain the description given to us by the legend about the size of the ThunderBird and how big the wings were. I don’t know if a Jet Suit can sustain the “pressure” from breaking the sound barrier, unless it’s something like what Iron Man wears. The sonic boom can easily be achieved with a fighter jet plane. If this is what was used then, yes, it can easily carry a small size whale and deliver it to the people. Even how the whale was lowered also reminds me of a fighter jet plane. Looking at them from below, both the fighter Jet Suit and the Fighter jet plane can look like birds. Still need some thinking to do about this.
“The Thunderbird is also described as a very large bird that makes fearsome noise.
Thunderbird is a very large bird, with feathers as long as a canoe paddle. When he flaps his wings, he makes thunder and the great winds. When he opens and shuts his eyes, he makes lightning. In stormy weather, he flies through the skies, flapping his wings and opening and closing his eyes.
Thunderbird's home is a cave in the Olympic Mountains, and he wants no one to come near it. If hunters get close enough so he can smell them, he makes thunder noise, and he rolls ice out of his cave. The ice rolls down the mountainside, and when it reaches a rocky place, it breaks into many pieces. The pieces rattle as they roll farther down into the valley.
All the hunters are so afraid of Thunderbird and his noise and rolling ice that they never stay long near his home. No one ever sleeps near his cave. Thunderbird keeps his food in a dark hole at the edge of a big field of ice and snow. His food is the whale. Thunderbird flies out of the ocean, catches a whale and hurries back to the mountains to eat it. One time Whale fought Thunderbird so hard that during the battle, trees were torn up by their roots. To this day there are no trees in Beaver Prairie because of the fight Whale and Thunderbird had that day.” All the hunters are so afraid of Thunderbird and his noise and rolling ice that they never stay long near his home. No one ever sleeps near his cave. Thunderbird keeps his food in a dark hole at the edge of a big field of ice and snow. His food is the whale. Thunderbird flies out of the ocean, catches a whale and hurries back to the mountains to eat it. One time Whale fought Thunderbird so hard that during the battle, trees were torn up by their roots. To this day there are no trees in Beaver Prairie because of the fight Whale and Thunderbird had that day.”
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913b6b No.13264525
>>13264496
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>> This is the second time the WESTERN waters = the Pacific Ocean is mentioned as the place the ThunderBird flies over or from.
“One of the most interesting aspects of the legend is that the Quillayute mentions the Great Flood in their description of the battle between Thunderbird and whale.
All of the above-mentioned legends describe the Thunderbird as a very large, powerful creature that makes thunder and lightning. Myths from all across the world tell of magnificent birds that were sometimes known under a variety of names among ancient cultures.
Many mythological birds were believed to have had supernatural powers.
Adarna, a beautiful legendary bird of the Philippines was said to change it colors after singing seven songs. This magnificent bird could restore health, but also turn a creature into stone.
Ancient Chinese had interesting stories about a nine-headed bird (“Jiu Feng”), one of the earliest forms of the Chinese Phoenix.
Mythical fiery bird Phoenix is mentioned in Roman, Greek or Egyptian mythologies. The incredible Phoenix is a symbol of Sun, immortality, rebirth, resurrection and eternal life.
This mythical creature has also its counterpart in China, Japan and India, and in each of these cultures, many appearances of Phoenix have been created but all of them have similar significance. They are also all alike.
Birds have always been mysterious creatures and close to gods, and the powerful Thunderbird was one of them…
>> I would like to ask anons NOT to RUSH into connecting the Phoenix bird of FIRE to the THUNDERBIRD. I’m going to check the Phoenix as well when I reach that point in this thread. For now, just take note; this might be correct or it might be incorrect. I like it how there is a connection between the ThunderBird and the Great Flood, even in myths.
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913b6b No.13264632
>>13264525
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I’ve looked around on the net to find some artifacts with the ThunderBird or the Birdman depicted on them. I found first this shell, with the ThunderBird engraved on its outer side. It’s possible such shells were used as cups, maybe for libation and/or religious ceremonies/rituals.
I also found these 2 shell gorgets with ThunderBirds engraved on them. There are obviously more than ONE ThunderBird on the second gorget. And all 3 ThunderBirds on these gorgets are obviously depicted as people wearing wings and Bird of Prey mask.
I also took a look at modern day art to see how nowadays artists in visualize what a ThunderBird looks like. I found these bronze statues of a ThunderBird which I think are very close to how the warrior really was. They are the work of Chris Navarro and I must admit the small one is incredible. Anyone know where I can purchase one? It’s a marvelous work of modern art that depicts the image of a ThunderBird as seen by the Native Americans.
I got curious so I went to check online how modern day graphics and fantasy art drawings depicted the ThunderBird. I’ve already posted a pictures in one of the previous pages. But it did help me notice that most drawings, if not all, depict the thunderbird with a bare chest, not wearing an armor or breast plates to protect it. Now if we go back and compare with what we found in central and south Americas, we see there, the Birds of Prey iconography depicted them with their chest covered, either by clothes or with armors. So I guess presenting our ThunderBird warrior with a bare chest is a new version of him.
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182ad0 No.13268233
>>13264632
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After reading about the ThunderBird, I want to check about the villains in his story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_panther
“An underwater panther, called Mishipeshu or Mishibijiw in Ojibwe (IPA: [mɪʃʃɪbɪʑɪw]), is one of the most important of several mythological water beings among many indigenous peoples of the Northeastern Woodlands and Great Lakes region, particularly among the Anishinaabe.
Mishipeshu translates into "the Great Lynx". It has the head and paws of a giant cat but is covered in scales and has dagger-like spikes running along its back and tail. Mishipeshu calls Michipicoten Island in Lake Superior his home and is a powerful creature in the mythological traditions of some Native American tribes, particularly Anishinaabe tribes, the Odawa, Ojibwe, and Potawatomi, of the Great Lakes region of Canada and the United States. In addition to the Anishinaabeg, Innu also have Mishibizhiw stories.
To the Algonquins, the underwater panther was the most powerful underworld being. The Ojibwe traditionally held them to be masters of all water creatures, including snakes. Some versions of the Nanabozho creation legend refers to whole communities of water lynx.
Some archaeologists believe that underwater panthers were major components of the Southeastern Ceremonial Complex of the Mississippian culture in the prehistoric American Southeast.”
>> Yes, it’s not just one unique animal, the chances are high there was some type of herd of them. I’ve looked at the shape of the Mishipeshu on the net, it truly is a strange creature. Some of the designs remind me of the Griffin, some of the Serpopard (page 119) and some of a Dragon.
“Name
In the Ojibwe language, this creature is sometimes called Mishibizhiw, Mishipizhiw, Mishipizheu, Mishupishu, Mishepishu, Michipeshu, or Mishibijiw, which translates as "Great Lynx", or Gichi-anami'e-bizhiw ("Gitche-anahmi-bezheu"), which translates as "the fabulous night panther". However, it is also commonly referred to as the "Great underground wildcat" or "Great under-water wildcat." It is the most important of the underwater animals for the Ojibwa.
Description
In mythologies of the indigenous peoples of the Great Lakes, underwater panthers are described as water monsters that live in opposition to the Thunderbirds, masters of the powers of the air. Underwater Panthers are seen as an opposing yet complementary force to the Thunderbirds, and they are engaged in eternal conflict.
The underwater panther was an amalgam of parts from many animals: the body of a wild feline, often a cougar or lynx; the horns of deer or bison; upright scales on its back; occasionally feathers; and parts from other animals as well, depending on the particular myth. Underwater panthers are represented with exceptionally long tails, occasionally with serpentine properties. The creatures are thought to roar or hiss in the sounds of storms or rushing rapids.”
>> Sounds like a creature made in a lab in a Frankensteinish way. Does it remind you of the “rumors” about (((them))) trying to blend various animal genes together in secret labs?
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182ad0 No.13268276
>>13268233
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“Mishipizheu were said to live in the deepest parts of lakes and rivers, where they can cause storms. Some traditions believed the underwater panthers to be helpful, protective creatures, but more often they were viewed as malevolent beasts that brought death and misfortune. They often need to be placated for safe passage across a lake. As late as the 1950s, the Prairie Band of Potawatomi Indians performed a traditional ceremony to placate the Underworld Panther and maintain balance with the Thunderbird.
When ethnographer Johann Georg Kohl visited the United States in the 1850s, he spoke with a Fond du Lac chief, who showed Kohl a piece of copper kept in his medicine bag. The chief said it was a strand of hair from the mishibizhiw, and thus considered extremely powerful.
Copper
Mishipeshu is known for guarding the vast amounts of copper in Lake Superior and the Great Lakes Region. Indigenous people mined copper long before the arrival of Europeans to the area. Later, during the 17th century, missionaries of the Society of Jesus arrived in the Great Lakes Region. By that time, swiping copper from the region was extremely taboo and forbidden by the Ojibwa tribe. It was even worse to take it from the Great Lynx's home, Michipicoten Island; this was considered to be stealing from Mishipeshu himself.
Purported encounters
There are a few stories of encounters with this great beast. A Jesuit missionary named Claude Dablon told a story about four Ojibwa Indians who embarked on a journey to the home of Mishipeshu to take some copper back to their home, and use it to heat water. The very second they pushed off and backed into the water with their canoe, the eerie voice of the water panther surrounded them. The water panther came growling after them, vigorously accusing them of stealing the playthings of his children. All four of the Indians died on the way back to their village, the last one surviving just long enough to tell the tale of what had happened in his final moments before he died.
Depictions in art
The underwater panther is well represented in pictograms. Historical Anishnaabe twined and quilled men's bags often feature an underwater panther on one panel and the Thunderbird on the other. Norval Morrisseau (Ojibwe) painted underwater panthers in his Woodlands style artworks, contemporary paintings based on Ojibwe oral history and cosmology. emblem has been embellished, and appears as a decorative motif on muskets. […]
In 2003, archaeologist Brad Lepper suggested that the Alligator Effigy Mound in Granville, Ohio represents the underwater panther. Lepper posits that early European settlers, when learning from Native Americans that the mound represented a fierce creature that lived in the water and ate people, mistakenly assumed that the Native Americans were referring to an alligator.”
>>Well, it sure looks like this Mishipeshu is a fabulous, mystical, imaginary creature, just like dragons and unicorns.
From what little is written, I get this feeling this underwater big cat was a danger to humans, as in it’s a natural predator and it attached humans as a source of food, just like what lions and tigers are nowadays. So the ThunderBird warrior had to eliminate them in order to protect people. I think the same thing happened with wolves in Europe. There were many of them, but they used to hunt cattle and attach humans, so they were hunted down extensively and their numbers diminished greatly. They were almost decimated. So I think we have a similar scenario here and the reason why the battle lasted so long between the ThunderBird and the Mishipeshu is because of their big numbers = herds of the latter animal. Look at the scale between the animal and boat/humans depicted on this rock drawing. These animals were big in size.
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0429cd No.13274813
>>13268276
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Let’s check the second villain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_Serpent#In_Native_American_cultures
“The Horned Serpent appears in the mythologies of many Native Americans. Details vary among tribes, with many of the stories associating the mystical figure with water, rain, lightning and thunder. Horned Serpents were major components of the Southeastern Ceremonial Complex of North American prehistory.
Horned serpents also appear in European and Near Eastern mythology.
In Native American cultures
Horned serpents appear in the oral history of numerous Native American cultures, especially in the Southeastern Woodlands and Great Lakes.
Muscogee Creek traditions include a Horned Serpent and a Tie-Snake, estakwvnayv in the Muscogee Creek language. These are sometimes interpreted as being the same creature and sometimes different—similar, but the Horned Serpent is larger than the Tie-Snake. To the Muscogee people, the Horned Serpent is a type of underwater serpent covered with iridescent, crystalline scales and a single, large crystal in its forehead. Both the scales and crystals are prized for their powers of divination. The horns, called chitto gab-by, were used in medicine. Jackson Lewis, a Muscogee Creek informant to John R. Swanton, said, "This snake lives in the water has horns like the stag. It is not a bad snake. … It does not harm human beings but seems to have a magnetic power over game." In stories, the Horned Serpent enjoyed eating sumac, Rhus glabra.
Alabama people call the Horned Serpent tcinto såktco or "crawfish snake", which they divide into four classifications based on its horns' colors, which can be blue, red, white, or yellow.
Yuchi people made effigies of the Horned Serpent as recently as 1905. An effigy was fashioned from stuffed deerhide, painted blue, with the antlers painted yellow. The Yuchi Big Turtle Dance honors the Horned Serpent's spirit, which was related to storms, thunder, lightning, disease, and rainbows.
Among Cherokee people, a Horned Serpent is called an uktena. Anthropologist James Mooney, describes the creature:
Those who know say the Uktena is a great snake, as large around as a tree trunk, with horns on its head, and a bright blazing crest like a diamond on its forehead, and scales glowing like sparks of fire. It has rings or spots of color along its whole length, and can not be wounded except by shooting in the seventh spot from the head, because under this spot are its heart and its life. The blazing diamond is called Ulun'suti—"Transparent"—and he who can win it may become the greatest wonder worker of the tribe. But it is worth a man's life to attempt it, for whoever is seen by the Uktena is so dazed by the bright light that he runs toward the snake instead of trying to escape. As if this were not enough, the breath of the Uktena is so pestilential, that no living creature can survive should they inhale the tiniest bit of the foul air expelled by the Uktena. Even to see the Uktena asleep is death, not to the hunter himself, but to his family.
According to Sioux belief, the Unhcegila (Ųȟcéǧila) are dangerous reptilian water monsters that lived in ancient times. They were of various shapes. In the end the Thunderbirds destroyed them, except for small species like snakes and lizards. This belief may have been inspired by finds of dinosaur fossils in Sioux tribal territory. The Thunderbird may have been inspired partly by finds of pterosaur skeletons.”
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0429cd No.13274873
>>13274813
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>> I don’t know what to think about this horned snaked, mostly that gem like crest it had on its forehead. It’s odd.
“Other known names
• Sisiutl— Kwakwaka'wakw
• Awanyu—Tewa
• Djodi'kwado'—Iroquois
• Misi-kinepikw ("great snake")—Cree
• Msi-kinepikwa ("great snake")—Shawnee
• Misi-ginebig ("great snake")—Oji-Cree
• Mishi-ginebig ("great snake")—Ojibwe
• Pita-skog ("great snake")—Abenaki
• Sint holo—Chickasaw
• Sinti lapitta—Choctaw
• Unktehi or Unktehila—Dakota
• Olobit—Natchez
• Uktena—Aniyunwiya”
>> This is a nice list for those whom are interested in such research.
“Outside the Americas
In Europe
In Celtic iconography
The ram-horned serpent is a well-attested cult image of north-west Europe before and during the Roman period. It appears three times on the Gundestrup cauldron, and in Romano-Celtic Gaul was closely associated with the horned or antlered god Cernunnos, in whose company it is regularly depicted. This pairing is found as early as the fourth century BC in Northern Italy, where a huge antlered figure with torcs and a serpent was carved on the rocks in Val Camonica.
A bronze image at Étang-sur-Arroux and a stone sculpture at Sommerécourt depict Cernunnos' body encircled by two horned snakes that feed from bowls of fruit and corn-mash in the god's lap. Also at Sommerécourt is a sculpture of a goddess holding a cornucopia and a pomegranate, with a horned serpent eating from a bowl of food. At Yzeures-sur-Creuse a carved youth has a ram-horned snake twined around his legs, with its head at his stomach. At Cirencester, Gloucestershire, Cernunnos' legs are two snakes which rear up on each side of his head and are eating fruit or corn. According to Miranda Green, the snakes reflect the peaceful nature of the god, associated with nature and fruitfulness, and perhaps accentuate his association with regeneration.”
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0429cd No.13274912
>>13274873
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“Other deities occasionally accompanied by ram-horned serpents include "Celtic Mars" and "Celtic Mercury". The horned snake, and also conventional snakes, appear together with the solar wheel, apparently as attributes of the sun or sky god.
The description of Unktehi or Unktena is, however, more similar to that of a Lindorm in Northern Europe, especially in Southern Scandinavia, and most of all as described in folklore in Eastern Denmark (including the provinces lost to Sweden in 1658). There, too, it is a water creature of huge dimensions, while in Southern Sweden it is a huge snake, the sight of which was deadly. This latter characteristic is reminiscent of the basilisk.”
>> After reading this section, the picture got clearer as well as my understanding. I don’t think we are dealing with an animal here, but…we are dealing with a person (wearing a gem on his head or forhead) symbolized by a fantastical, mythical animal, just like in the case of the Griffin. But this time around, we are dealing with a bad guy = someone from (((their))) clan. And this is why the ThunderBirds fought (((these))) horned snakes = power of the sky and light, fighting the power of the underworld and darkness. And did anons notice how it’s associated with water, just like the Quinotaur is? I think we are dealing with the same group = (((their))) group.
“Greek
The cerastes is a creature described in Greek mythology as a snake with either two large ram-like horns or four pairs of smaller horns. Isidore of Seville described it as hunting by burying itself in sand while leaving its horns visible, and attacking creatures that came to investigate them.
In Mesopotamia
In Mesopotamian mythology Ningishzida, is sometimes depicted as a serpent with horns. In other depictions, he is shown as human but is accompanied by bashmu, horned serpents. Ningishzida shares the epithet ushumgal, "great serpent", with several other Mesopotamian gods.”
>> It reminds me greatly of the Feathered Serpent from Mesoamerica. Over there, it’s obvious whom was running the show just by taking a look at the human sacrifice practice.
“Pop Culture
In recent years, J.K. Rowling expanded the mythos of her popular series, Harry Potter. She introduced the North American wizarding school of Ilvermorny and the background story of its founders. In the story, Isolt and William the Pukwudgie were traveling in the forest when they came across a Horned Serpent. Isolt could understand the great snake and would befriend it. Wand cores are important to the world of Harry Potter, as they are what make the wands work. Isolt and her muggle husband, James, created two wands for their adopted sons. As a result of the Horned Serpent that Isolt befriended, when Chadwick turned eleven, the Ilvermorny School began with Isolt naming one of the four houses after the Horned Serpent. Because Isolt had always wanted to be in Ravenclaw house, the Horned Serpent house of Ilvermorny is for scholars and those who pursue knowledge.”
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0429cd No.13274966
>>13274912
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“In the history of the wizarding world, these two wands for Chadwick and Webster Boot would be the only two wands to ever have cores made from the horn of a Horned Serpent. When Gormlaith, Isolt's evil aunt and the woman that murdered Isolt's parents, attacked the growing school, both of the wands emitted a musical sound to warn the boys of the attack. Chadwick went to confront Gormlaith, who asked him questions about his family because she didn't want to kill "a pureblood of his talent." Meanwhile, Webster had failed to wake their parents, who were under a curse at the time. Moments later, Chester and Webster would go to duel Gormlaith and with the duel wand cores now working together, the two talented teens' power increased ten-fold.”
>> No need for me to comment about Rowling and her work. It’s obvious.
While taking a look in the net, I found 2 gorgets with Serpents on them that caught my attention. I’ve put a reproduction of both designs so it would be clearer for anons.
When looking at both designs, the serpents have wings, a rattlesnake like tail and their body = scales have designs on them, mostly circular. Are these horned serpents?
Well, we can argue the first one, it’s not that clear in the way it’s depicted. It can be horns on their heads, but it also can be feathers or even ears. But when you look at the second design, it’s very clear we are dealing with horns here.
And when we look closely at both designs: something is coming out of the serpent’s mouth. Is it their tongue? Are they spitting poison? Or is it flames? Well, this can also be debated.
There are a few differences between the serpent shapes in both designs: Like in the first, the serpents have normal square teeth and there seems to be some type of geometrical design of rectangles like boxes under the south pointing serpent. And in the middle, where their heads meet, seems like we have a wheel.
While in the second gorget, the serpents have clearly drawn fangs. On the upper right hand side we have strange shapes that look like bones. We also have one in the lower left corner. If anons look closely, the middle serpent has 2 heads: one on each extremity of its body = there is no rattlesnake tail. While the other two, surrounding it, have the rattlesnake like tail. I wonder if this represents a higher up bad guy flanked with 2 of his subordinates? Why am I saying this? It’s because the Bloodlines members, the higher ups, believe (((they))) are immortal, thus the Ouroboros symbol (((they))) use it to represent (((them))) – and secondly: the higher ups use the bicephalic serpent/dragon to represent (((their))) clan/bloodline, the one I call the Merovingian bloodline. And here we have a bicephalic serpent. This is representation of a person from (((that))) bloodline.
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b127f8 No.13280954
>>13274966
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When I was taking a look at the Wikipedia page about the horned Serpents, the picture I’m attaching to this page caught my attention.
I bet anons noticed the serpents are horned, they have the rattlesnake tail and they have their bodies knotted in 2 different places as if it’s a frame for the middle design. There is also something very long coming out of from the level of their fangs: either it’s their tongues or they are throwing flames. Come to think of it, maybe even spitting poison like what snakes usually do. These serpents have no wings.
What is mind boggling for me is the middle design though = it’s a hand with an EYE depicted on its middle….strangely enough , making it also the center of the entire design. I know, it looks like the Hamsa symbol. So what I’m going to do next is check this disk:
https://dougcarterwriter.com/2019/10/02/unlocking-mystery-of-rattlesnake-disk/
“Unlocking the Mystery of the Rattlesnake Disk
October 2, 2019
I became intrigued by archaeology and mysteries as a boy trudging through fields looking for arrowheads with my mother and brother.
Since then I’ve visited Indian mounds throughout the Southeastern US, but none have stirred me quiet like those at Moundville.
Moundville, Alabama, just 13 miles south of Tuscaloosa, is home to more than 20 ancient Indian mounds. Adjacent to the Black Warrior River, this site is considered the second largest Native North American complex behind only Cahokia near St. Louis. It’s also home to some of the most famous Indian relics in the United States, including the Rattlesnake Disk.
The Rattlesnake Disk is one of those enigmatic archaeological finds that appeals to my inner Indiana Jones, and there was only one place where I could see the real thing. I was finally here.
[…]
The Rattlesnake Disk
There it was. I could hardly contain my excitement as my eyes beheld the genuine Rattlesnake Disk. Mounted inside a dimly-lit, double-sided glass wall, the 12-inch diameter Rattlesnake Disk was noticeably larger than other less-decorated disks. One side of the disk contained nothing. The other side contained an open left hand with an eye in the palm. Two rattlesnakes, knotted together on both sides of the hand, surrounded the hand. Both snakes had horns on their head, and both had a ribbon streaming from their upper fangs.”
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b127f8 No.13281018
>>13280954
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“What could this mean, I wondered?”
The mystery began to unravel across the museum. Other pottery contained variations of images of the hand symbol. Other objects contained images of birds that were combined with the snake motif. It became apparent much of the pottery from Moundville was associated with death and the afterlife.
The Soul’s Journey
Signs scattered throughout the museum told the tale. At the time of death, one’s soul was released from the body through a portal in the palm of the hand.
“That makes sense. I can see why they might think that,” I thought, “after all, in some cultures we don’t look people in the eyes because they feel like you’re staring into their soul. The eye is the window to the soul.”
The people of Moundville believed after the soul departs the body it embarks onto the Path of the Souls. This pathway, they thought, was the Milky Way.
The soul’s journey across the Milky Way led them to the realm of the dead, which was guarded by the celestial serpent- a rattle-snake figure with wings and horns on its head.”
>> What this person said reminds me of Gudea’s libation vase (starting page 698) with the beam of light surrounded by the serpent god Ningishzida (starting page 690) depicted on it. Wasn’t Ningishzida just mentioned in the Wikipedia (page 752) about the horned serpent?
“Guardian of the Realm of the Dead- the Winged Serpent
Suddenly I realized the Moundville people shared profound beliefs with other groups of people I studied. Among the ancient Egyptians, the winged serpent, Wadjet, is depicted on Egyptian reliefs, coffins, and in tombs.
Asian dragons also seem to be types of these winged serpents.”
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b127f8 No.13281052
>>13281018
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“Could the winged serpent be a shadow of the fallen Satan, the angel who appeared as a serpent in the Garden of Eden and is elsewhere named as the guardian of the dead?
A couple of Bible verses suddenly flashed in my mind. “And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:2 NIV)
“How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: “Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble.” (Isaiah 14:12-16 NIV)
The Mystery of the Eye in the Hand
I hardly had time to process the mystery of the winged serpent when my attention returned to the eye in the hand.
In my studies of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, I encountered numerous variations of the hand and eye symbol, known to them as the ahimsa. For the peoples of India, the ahimsa is the sign of non-violence, non-injury, or peace.
The eye in the palm appears in Islam, too. Perhaps it was adopted from their Indian neighbors, but for Muslims, the palm and eye symbol is the hamsa, or Hand of Fatima, and is believed to bring people peace and protection.
Similarly, the people of Moundville were seeking a safe, peaceful passage to the realm of the dead, and their hand and eye symbols were an important expression of that belief.
Like the ahimsa and the hamsa, I observed variations of the eye in the hand. One variation in particular blew me away. On one vessel, part of a collection of three pieces recently returned after being stolen forty years ago, a cross appeared inside a hand. Had I visited Moundville when I first wanted to go, I would’ve missed it.”
>> I agree there are similarities with the story from the Bible of how Satan fell from Heaven after his rebelion. But that is all I agree to it. I interpret things differently. For sure something happened but it’s not exactly as it was said in the Bible. I will be talking about later on. As for the next section, all that is said in it, it’s the view of the person whom wrote this. NOT mine and I do NOT agree with it. The symbols on the hand, either the eye or the cross, have nothing to do with Christ wounds. This is how HE sees it, and not how it really is in the culture/civilization the symbol exists in. I’ve put 5 stars at the start and the end of the section I don’t agree with it.
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b127f8 No.13281059
>>13281052
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“Imagine the mysterious symbol of a cross in a palm- a symbol of a portal into the afterlife- fulfilled by Jesus’ death on the cross when he was nailed through his hands. Then the full weight of the mystery of the eye in the hand hit me. Around 700 BC, the prophet Isaiah wrote, “But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.” (Isaiah 53:5 NIV)
Jesus was pierced in his hands! The violence he endured brought peace to our souls. The piercing of Jesus’ hands is the portal to our atonement with God! Jesus’ suffering wasn’t just for Christians and Messianic Jews. Jesus suffered so that anyone, anywhere could have peace in Him.
Where did Jesus go immediately after his death? He descended into hades, the realm of the dead, to defeat death! There, Jesus defeated Satan, the guardian of the realm of the dead, then proved His victory when He rose again and was seen by hundreds of people.
“I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and hades,” (Revelation 1:18 NIV)
Paul tells us Jesus is the fulfillment of the mysteries kept hidden since the beginning of the world. (Colossians 1:26) If the Roman centurian could exclaim, “Surely this was the Son of God!” after witnessing the events surrounding Jesus’ crucifixion, doesn’t it seem reasonable that Christ’s death is a signal to people all over the world to look to Him as their Protector in the afterlife?
That’s the gospel message: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16 NIV)”
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14bcfe No.13287091
>>13281059
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I wanted a bit more information about the rattlesnake disk from Moundville Alabama museum and this is what I found next: http://lithiccastinglab.com/gallery-pages/palettesrattlesnakedisclrg.htm
“STONE DISC PALETTE
"THE RATTLESNAKE DISC"
MOUNDVILLE SITE
HALE COUNTY, ALABAMA
OCTOBER 31, 2011 PETER A. BOSTROM
This palette is known as the "rattlesnake disc." It's the most famous stone disc palette that was ever found at Moundville. It was originally discovered by a farmer plowing his field in Moundville and later given as a gift to Alabama state archaeologist Professor E. A. Smith sometime before 1883. It was then lent to the Smithsonian National Museum where Holmes described it in 1883. After that, sometime before 1905 it was transferred to the University of Alabama Museum and now in the Jones Archaeological Museum at the Moundville .
Archaeological Park. Holmes originally described the disc with a cautious and skeptical view.
Holmes described the "rattlesnake disc" in 1883 as; "I have seen in the National Museum a curious specimen of stone disk, although there is not sufficient assurance of its genuineness to allow it undisputed claim to a place among antiquities. It is a perfectly circular, neatly-dressed sandstone disk, twelve inches in diameter and one-half an inch in thickness. Upon one face we see three marginal incised lines while on the other there is a well-engraved design which represents two entwined or rather knotted rattlesnakes. Within the circular space enclosed by the bodies of the serpents is a well drawn hand in the palm of which is placed an open eye; this would probably have been omitted by the artist had he fully appreciated the skeptical tendencies of the modern archaeologist. The margin of the plate is divided into seventeen sections by small semicircular indentations. This object is said to have been obtained from a mound near Carthage, Alabama." Clarence B. Moore wrote in 1905 that Holmes was by then satisfied that the disc "may be accepted without suspicion."
The entwined serpents, open hand and central ogee symbol represents iconography that some archaeologist believe may represent an opening or pathway to the inter-dimensional world of the ancestors. This stone disc palette is made of sandstone and measures 12 9/16 inches (31.9 cm) in diameter.”
>> This puts a huge grin on my face. So it turned out (((they))) were also interested in these artifacts with the horned serpent depicted on them. You think (((they))) returned the original authentic pieces or sent good forgeries back? It’s worth contemplating considering (((their))) history as collectors of “special” artifacts.
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8b8711 No.13288384
>>13287091
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The horned serpent has a “variant” to it, so I’m going to check it out next: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisiutl
“The sisiutl is a legendary creature found in many of the cultures of the Indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast. It is typically depicted as a double-headed serpent with fish qualities, sometimes with an additional central face of a supernatural being. The sisuitl features prominently in Pacific Northwest art, dances and songs. The sisuitl is closely associated with shamans because both are seen as mediators between the natural and supernatural worlds.
The word for "sisiutl" in Tsimshian is Laqaqua'sa, which literally means "both sides head”.”
>> “Both sides head” = doesn’t this makes one head on each side? Like a bicephalic serpent? Or should I understand that its lower side starts where the head is? Like the Ouroboros? It doesn’t matter if it’s the first or the second because both point us in the same direction = (((them))).
“Form
The Sisiutl is typically depicted as a double-headed serpent, although it is sometimes shown with just one head. Kwakwaka'wakw depictions usually show a central, humanoid face between the double heads. All three heads are usually horned, and the serpent heads typically have protruding tongues and spiral or upturned noses, with crescents along the body.”
>> I don’t know about you anons, but after reading these words only one thing came to my mind: Rothschild Ball. I’m sure anons are familiar with the first picture I’ve attached with this page where we can see Lady Rothschild (if I’m not mistaking) wearing antlers at the ball of 1972. Well, now, after reading about the horned Serpent and after finding it’s connected to the horned deity from Europe = connections to the Franks and Germanic tribes, I understand why she is wearing the antlers. This is not SIMPLE symbolism. This represent (((them))), (((their))) clan. (((Their))) leader from pre-Flood era used to wear something with antlers or horns on it.
Why am I saying this? Well anons, we are talking about Native Americans here and their myths and legends. We are not in Europe. And these myths came down from the ancestors to nowadays Native Americans. For them to be the same as what we have in Europe with the Franks and Germanic tribes (with no prior contact before Columbus) which the Roths are descendants of, it means the antlers from both sides of the Atlantic had one origin, one root = they came from the same source = the ancestors of the Bloodlines before the Flood occurred. This is (((their))) knowledge that was transmitted by (((their))) ancestors whom some made it alive from the Flood.
If anons looked closely to the first picture I’ve attached, there is a mister standing next to the lady and he is wearing the strangest top hat I’ve ever seen in my life since it’s kinda attached to a multiple faced mask: 3 masks if I’m not mistaking = one in the center and 2 on the sides.
The second picture I’ve attached with this page is the new version = modern day version of the same costume we saw at the ball of 1972. It’s still trendy among the spycho Roths.
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8b8711 No.13288445
>>13288384
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Well, I figured out the antlers long ago: this is the symbol of (((their))) clan. Just like the Birds of prey headgear = eagle heads are a symbol of the sky warriors. The antlers are (((them))). But what I couldn’t figure out at all was this 3 faced mask with that top hat with strange lines on it. I was thinking it might be something to do with Dionysus but after reading about Sisiutl I see I was going down the wrong tracks. It seems the 3 heads of the Sisiutl are also a symbol of (((their))) clan. I’m going to take a bit of time to think this up and put the pieces together. I will be talking about this later on.
“Other depictions, by the Kwakwaka'wakw or other Pacific Northwest peoples, omit or modify some of these features. The Tlingit "grubworm" or "woodworm" (caterpillar) is a "peculiarly northern" variation that lacks the central head, and has an insatiable appetite.
Among Pacific Northwest cultures, horns or plumes indicate a supernatural being. The spiral nose (or "inflated nostrils") motif is used on Hamatsa masks depicting Baxbaxwalanuksiwe, where it indicates hunger (dilated nostrils to sniff out food). The protruding tongue is associated with lightning, supernatural power, and the transfer of power from an animal source to a novice. Crescents may represent stylised scales or the segments of a caterpillar.”
>> A caterpillar’s body shape and the one of a serpent is the same, isn’t it? = Long and stretchy.
“Where a central humanoid head is depicted, it most often is taken to represent Baxbaxwalanuksiwe, although it has also been associated with Qomoqua. In the northern grubworm variant, the central head is believed to be the princess who suckled the grubworm.
The sisiutl also sometimes takes the form of a canoe, as in a myth where it returns a woman from Qomoqua's spiritual realm to her home village, or a squirrel.
Powers
The sisiutl is attributed with bringing both death and property; Paterson speculates that this may be "the basis for its double-headedness".”
>> Yeah….but what about when it has a triple head? = a central human head and 2 snakes heads at the sides, like what you see in the picture that I’ve attached with this page? Is it me or does this remind the reader of a snake dancer as seen in the second picture I’ve attached with this page? When you compare, it does look like what Miss Spears is holding on her shoulders, but it has 2 heads on each end.
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08e70d No.13291883
>>13274912
I admit they are not the same. One is a dragon and the other is a serpent.
And yet they are connected being reptilians. Whenever an article/post came up
with a horned serpent it reminded me immediately of this:
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.
Revelation 12:3
So my assumption has always been: Could these horned serpents be descendants of the
apocalyptic dragon which i assume to be Satan!? A representation of Satan on earth!?
Then all has always been right in front of our eyes written in the bible but we haven't look close enough!
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a98ba8 No.13296004
>>13288445
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“The Kwakwaka'wakw myth "Squirrel and Thunderbird" describes the mortal Yayagextsa taking a scale from the sisiutl. The sisiutl describes the scale's powers:
put the scale at the end of the arrow and nothing will live that is shot by you, even if it were a whale or an animal. When you wish it to become a rock, that which is shot by you, say to this arrow that it shall become a rock, and say to the arrow that what is shot by you will burn …”
>> When I first read this description, I thought the scale was so hard and strong that it pierced anything, even a whale. But after rereading it, I think it’s not a strong scale….but a poisonous one. If I’m not mistaking, poison causes petrification and gives the sensation of burning.
“In the northern woodworm variation, a Tsimshian "princess" who lived in a village called Khrain breastfed a "grubworm" (caterpillar), which grew to a large size and had a head on its tail. After the villagers killed the grubworm, a strange "big man" (chief) called out to the villagers from his canoe. Upon looking at him, the villagers died: "They were killed by the great supernatural power of the chief, who was the spirit of the great Grubworm”.
>> Sounds like the villagers were killed from a distance. What type of projectile weapon did the BIG MAN use? Something like a staff that shoots lightning? Or was he shooting poison from afar like what snake does?
“As a transformative creature of vast shamanic power, the Sisiutl could travel in and across all boundaries (worlds): land, water, & air. There is a belief among the Coast Salish that Sisiutl employ orca for transportation.”
>> I’m having the same thoughts. Do anons remember what we read about the horned serpent? It was a terrestrial and aquatic creature…. But it also had wings on the pottery and other iconography, as well as horns…. In other words, it could swim, crawl on land, climb trees and even fly. It certainly is a transformative creature that could easily adapt on land, in water and in the air. And in turn this insinuates there were air troupes, ground troupes and marine troupes.
We’ve seen many times the “atlantean” air troupes with the Birds of Prey gear so far in this thread. I’ve talked about the maritime/ aquatic troupes in page 731 when I was taking a look at the Totem Pole. They are not as spread as the Birds of Prey, nor as many as them, but the maritime troupes are surely present, wearing a “fish” armor/gear. But what about the ground troupes, has anyone noticed them? What do they look like? Think about it a bit anons.
“So powerful are Sisiutl, that contact, stepping on one's slime trail, or even seeing one, was believed to cause sickness or death. According to legend, looking at the sisiutl can turn a person into stone. However, if one kills a Sisiutl, it has healing powers.”
>> These words are making me think once more of poison.
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a98ba8 No.13296069
>>13296004
(Please read from the start)
“Usage
Artifacts commonly adorned with Sisiutl include masks, “flying" props, power boards (dance boards), totem poles, clubs, knives, whistles, house beams, button blankets, setee, drums, wooden belts, pectoral ornaments, headdresses, frontlets, feast bowls, and canoe decorations.”
>> I’ve found this incredibly interesting representation of Sisiutl on a canoe. First of all, notice the size of the central person = almost double the size of the others. Isn’t it mentioned in the legend of the Tsimshian "princess" that the caterpillar she breastfed returned as a BIG MAN on a canoe? Is this a depiction of that legend? Second, this kinda confirms what I was suspecting = it’s a HUMAN, a PERSON with something like a serpent on each side of him, either standing next to him or he is wearing them.
“Images or sculptures of Sisiutl were employed to guard canoes and cedar plank longhouses (the Sisiutl sculpture guarding one such house was said to flick its tongues as people approached). Warriors traditionally wear the sisiutl's emblem for protection in battle.”
>> This reminds me of how the Gorgon amulet was used on sarcophagus or grave stones in Antiquity in order to petrify and scare grave looters. It was considered some sort of protective amulet that guards the grave despite the Gorgon being an evil entity.
“Many soulcatchers depict sisuitl, although other soulcatchers are undecorated or depict other animals.”
>> I’m going to suggest to anons to read what is written about the soulcatcher, mostly the section talking how it was USED: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulcatcher
I don’t know about the reader, but for some strange reason this reminds of the Bloodlines and how (((they))) perform some of the rituals to suck out the soul or spirit from a person = energy source into (((themselves))). I know it’s a bit different from what is written about the soulcatcher, but it’s just crossed my mind.
“Enemies
Thunderbirds are one of the few predators of Sisiutl. Holly, and spat blood were some of the few implements able to harm a Sisiutl.”
>> To highlight in big red = the ThunderBirds were the predators of the Sisiutl = natural enemies.
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a98ba8 No.13296089
>>13296069
(Please read from the start)
“Associations
Sisiutl are associated with the salmon (one of Sisiutl's forms), Winalagilis (warrior spirit), the Sun (“Counselor of the World” steals the Sun's Sisiutl mask, releasing daylight to the world in one Kwakwaka'wakw myth), the moon, Land-Otter Canoe, woodworm, house of the sky people (Sisiutl guards it). A Sisiutl also guards the house of the Dzunukwa.”
>> When I checked Dzunukwa, it turned out she is an ogre like and eats children: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzunukwa
Ain’t that befitting for Sisiutl to guard her house? It proves once more we are dealing with (((them))). But did you notice something anons? = Sisiutl is GUARDING her house = do we have a warrior/ guardian type of person here anons? It seems so.
If we combine all the information that we gathered so far we will notice that the ThunderBirds (whom we already know wear an armor) combats/ fights/ battles the horned serpent and/or the Sisiutl. So if the ThunderBirds wore an armor for battle, couldn’t the horned serpent, Sisiutl also wear one? I’m sure they did during battle, and what we see as serpents on each side of the face could well be part of that armor, including the wings and the horns.
“Ceremony
[…]
The Ha'mshamtses ("Eaters-of-the-Ground": secret cannibal society akin to Hamatsa) employs sisiutl transformation masks. […]”
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a98ba8 No.13296176
>>13296089
(Please read from the start)
Maybe the reader is not convinced that we are dealing with an armor worn by the villains. I found this iconography of Sisiutl. Look closely, we can see the hands from each side of the central head. The serpents on each side of the head, just above each hand.
As I was suspecting before, these might be worn on the shoulders. I’m thinking of some type of shoulder plates that are shaped like a serpent head. To make my idea clearer I’ve attached with this page a few modern day designs of shoulder plates, shaped like animal heads.
Maybe anons are not convinced with this armor thingy, either for the Birds of Prey or now for the Villain. But I’ve already presented more than 20 (maybe more) pieces of evidence = archaeological artifact to support my words about the Birds of Prey. As for the villain’s armor, I won’t be relying on texts, I will be relying on artifacts as well and the texts will be here to support the objects.
We’ve already seen a few pieces of evidence in this thread that the villain also wore some type of armor, but they are not conclusive and there aren’t that many of them. This is why I’ve waited before coming out, I’ve been waiting for a strong piece and now I have one. As I progress in this thread, I will be adding the new pieces that will come on my path, just like what I did for the Birds of Prey… and I will be doing the same for the aquatic armor and when I find them, the ground armor.
Right now this is what I’m going to do, I’m going to talk about that villain armor and make connections. Before I go forward, I want to remind anons of a few points I talked about before: I’m not here to confirm the Main Stream History nor the Alternative History narrative. I’m here to open a new PATH. I’m trying to give a third option. I’m basing my words on what I find from archaeological artifacts while I use the texts to support these artifacts. If the text doesn’t fit the artifact, then there is something wrong with the text. This is the mindset I’m working in. I’m also searching for patterns worldwide. So anons, I’m not here to PLEASE any side and I know a lot of people will not agree or totally dislike some of the stuff I’m writing/ going to write. There are a lot of WRONG concepts out there. People are entrenched in some issues that they are unwilling to hear anything new.
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b866e3 No.13297391
>>13291883
This is the old man,
Fellow anon consider me as a crime detective that has been tasked to review a cold case. While I was doing it, I found out that the report (= written document) about the case was altered, modified many times by some invisible hands after it was initially written. What do I do then? Should I continue with my review based on an altered report ? Or…I can put the report aside knowing there are some parts of it that are correct but also others are false…and…go check out the real, tangible, hard evidence, review them all and then compare and check to discover where that report was altered? This is how I will find the sections altered in that report. As an example, I can give you what was said about the Flood in the Bible = it was caused by loads of rain, right? But, when I checked the tangible, physical evidence in archaeology and geology, I discovered it was NOT JUST loads of rain coming down from the sky. Violent Earthquakes happened, Volcanoes erupted, Land sunk under water, Land was flipped upside down and it was all followed by an ICE AGE. This is far away from what was told about the Flood with Noah, isn’t it?
Then the big question is: why was that report altered? Think about it.
My approach as an archaeologist has always been: the text must match the artifact and NOT the artifact must match the text. The Bible is the same for me. It’s for the Bible to confirm the artifacts dug up and not the artifact to cofirm the Bible. So far, the Bible does NOT match the evidence, but this doesn’t mean all of it is false. It’s just some specific sections were twisted, edited and changed, some completely modified for a purpose. The reason why the Bible, mostly the Old Testament, was heavily edited is to push forward a specific narrative, also to hide and alter history by manipulating you, the reader, via your faith = it’s a means to control you.
God exists. He is very real. Jesus Christ is our Savior and He did die to save us. The problem rests in WHOM delivered the message of Christ to us and HOW they delivered it. Did the messanger alter the letter he was supposed to deliver intact? The answer is a big yes.
So I don’t take the Bible word to word neither should anyone. This doesn’t mean it should change your faith in God though. It only means that a group of persons intervened, came between us and the message sent by God to us for us. There are more “interesting” things coming in this thread, so I hope you will be patient and keep on reading, mostly, keep on thinking. This type pf thoughts need time to evolve in your mind.
Wishing you a nice day.
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d160db No.13297669
The Golden Gate Bridge 🌉 XRP.
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05dbb3 No.13298736
>>13296176
(Please read from the start)
Well, if you think I’m wrong, if you think I’m absurd, if you think I’m senile, then please remember 2 things:
1 – I was a Main Stream History archaeologist that was never able to rest at ease with the narrative presented by (((them))) because things didn’t add up to me with what I saw in many warehouses and from excavations. So I made a HUGE leap of faith, kinda, but I also didn’t rest on the Alternative History because I know there are a lot of fantasy theories out there, totally baseless and just pure abracadabra. So I’ve decided to be a pathfinder, take the dirt road and open my own path, walk on that slim bumpy edge of the coin.
2 – Qteam did say that the deeper you go in the rabbit holes, the weirder and surreal things get – in that sense. I don’t remember it word to word but I guess anons understand what I’m saying here. So from here on, anons will see me step in that “strange” territory more and more just like Qteam said. And I will be walking with a sledgehammer breaking everything in the Matrix on my path, regardless if it’s this side or that. And I know loads of readers MIGHT not like what I say, but that is alright. Anons will read, they will verify, they will dig on their own and mostly they will make up their own minds about everything. I’m here to open a new path, and I want to do it while I’m shattering the matrix = the grand illusion. It’s going to be up to the reader more than ever. So please, keep this in mind and always remember if what I say doesn’t conform with your set of beliefs and knowledge, then it’s your own decision.
I’m going to bring things together.Let me start by working on the Villain’s armor.
The first big piece of evidence I’ve got about it so far is something we saw a few pages ago = the center design of the rattlesnake disk from Moundville Alabama = the Hamsa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamsa
“The hamsa (Arabic: khamsah) is a palm-shaped amulet popular throughout the Maghreb and in the Middle East and commonly used in jewelry and wall hangings. Depicting the open right hand, an image recognized and used as a sign of protection in many times throughout history, the hamsa is believed by some Muslims and Jews, to provide defense against the evil eye.
Khamsah is an Arabic word that means "five", but also "the five fingers of the hand".
The Hamsa is also variously known as the Hand of Fatima after the daughter of the prophet Muhammad, the Hand of Mary, the Hand of Miriam, and the Hand of the Goddess.”
>> Anons guessed it = the old man has a different interpretation of this “amulet”.
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05dbb3 No.13298873
>>13298736
(Please read from the start)
“History
Early use of the hamsa has been traced to ancient Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) as well as ancient Carthage (modern day Tunisia). The image of the open right hand is seen in Mesopotamian artifacts in the amulets of the goddess Ishtar or Inanna. Other symbols of divine protection based around the hand include the Hand-of-Venus (or Aphrodite), the Hand-of-Mary, that was used to protect women from the evil eye and/or boost fertility and lactation, promote healthy pregnancies and strengthen the weak. In that time, women were under immense pressure and expectation to become mothers. The woman's upbringing was centered on becoming a mother as an exclusive role, and it indicated child bearing as necessary. It was also thought that marriage was a sense of protection for both the man and the woman. In Jewish culture, the hamsa is associated with the number five because of the five fingers depicted on the hand.”
>> 1 - I went looking for the Hamsa in Mesopotamia and I only found this relief of the goddess Ishtar. It’s explained that what she is holding is a hamsa. Really!? She is holding something alright, in both hands, but it’s NOT a hamsa. Maybe I got the wrong artifact, if anons can find it and share it in this thread, it would be great. But if this is what (((they))) are referring to in the Wikipedia page as being the hamsa then this is absolutely wrong. She is holding a weapon, not a hamsa. And I do love her legs….is she wearing boots from her Birds of prey jet suit? If the helmet is shaped like an eagle as we’ve seen so many times in many artifacts in this thread, why can’t the boots be shaped like eagle claws? On each side of her are 2 guardian owls = birds of prey.
2 - I went looking for hamsa in Carthage. What I found (((they))) are referring to is the tombstone of the graves in Carthage. And it’s said to be linked to goddess Tanit, which was Phoenician according to what is written (chuckles). Anons, this is my last warning: what I’m going to say will not match/go well with what you THINK you know, with what you are UNDER the ILLUSION of knowing. You don’t like what I write from now please, please stop reading this thread = jump off this ship. I don’t want to hear any arguments and I certainly don’t want any disputes. Just remember I’m the same guy whom wrote everything from page 1 till now so I’m going to continue to work using the same method even if no one agrees with what I say. You don’t agree with what I write, then fine, it’s your own opinion but I won’t be replying or commenting about anything regarding this. I don’t have the TIME nor the PATIENCE to deal with such stuff. I’m here to break the Matrix. The choice is yours, reader.
For those whom chose to continue this journey with me, please integrate this as part of the Phoenician folder – I’ve already said I’m going to provide the pieces gradually as I go forward.
Tanit is NOT Phoenician but PUNIC = as in NEO-Phoenician. A lot of shallow minded people will tell me: “oh! But it’s same” – my reply: “hell no, it’s not the same.” Back on the Phoenicia coast, as in the East of the Med basin she was called Ishtar or Astarte. She mutated in Carthage with the Punic culture and she was referred to as Tanit. The general public is unable to make the difference because of all the brainwashing and the spreaded propaganda as popular culture. It sort of became an urban cult. Just like the public doesn’t know the difference between Hellenic and Hellenistic cultures.
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1d0af1 No.13302249
>>13298873
(Please read from the start)
It is believed by Lebanese and Syrian archaeologists that originally, this was the cult of Astarte when it was practiced in Homeland Phoenicia. Carthage was a colony of the Phoenician City-State of Tyre. But with time, the Homeland City-State’s power and influence diminished, while the ones of the colony = Carthage rose, till it formed an empire. But what the general public knows poorly is of the demographic of Carthage.
We are talking here about a city that is at the crossroad between Africa and Europe AFTER the DECLINE of the Ancient Egyptian Kingdoms. After the reign Ramses III (1198-1188 B.C.) from the XXth dynasty, the Ancient Egyptian powerful and glorious kingdom lost its luster. With the XXIst dynasty the central power was divided in 2 branches and there were 2 capitals: Tanis and Thebes. After that, Ancient Egypt was under the rule of non-Egyptian rulers; like XXIInd dynasty was of Libyan origin, the XXVth dynasty was of Ethiopian origin, the Persians then invaded and ruled in 504 B.C. It continued all the way till the arrival of Alexander the Great and after his death it was given to Ptolemy I Soter whom ruled over it during the Diadochi wars. The Lagide dynasty (known in English as the Ptolemaic dynasty) kept a hold of Ancient Egypt all the way till Cleopatra VII and the arrival of the Romans.
What the public doesn’t know is that Ancient Egypt changed with the passing of centuries and a lot of foreign cultures took/copied elements from the Ancient Egyptian culture and/or they left their traces on Ancient Egyptian culture = exchange and influence. But also what little the reader realizes is what happened to the population of Ancient Egypt. With the instability of the rule, the wars, the insecurity and the threat of famine MANY migrated and spread all over = there were many waves of migration for centuries. And since Carthage was a rich Metropolis by then, it attracted migrants from Ancient Egypt. But Ancient Egyptians were not the only migrants Carthage had: there were from Libya, from Sudan, Ethiopia, Greece, Cyprus, other Phoenicia colonies, but mostly from the Berber population and all of the coastal region. Since Carthage was a Metropolis with a booming economy, it attracted everyone whom disliked working with the Greek, then Roman system. Which made the Metropolis influential.
There is a reason why we don’t call the Carthaginian Empire a Phoenician Empire in Archaeology and this is why. It’s because even though the Metropolis was originally a Phoenician colony and even though the ruling family = kings were Phoenician royalty, we know that the population gradually became a hybrid one. It mutated with the mixture of many many cultures and this is why we either refer to the Carthaginian Empire as the Punic Empire or the Neo-Phoenician Empire. Punic and Phoenician are different as Black and White are. It’s true that the core = the starting point was the same, but the Punic culture evolved and mutated from its original form = the Phoenician culture – until Punic became a culture and a civilization of its own self. This is the EXACT SAME THING that happened when the Hellenic culture mutated into the Hellenistic one. And the public cannot make the difference.
So saying Tanit is a Phoenician Goddess, I say it’s B.S. because you are not taking into consideration the evolution/ mutation that occurred. Saying that Carthage is a Phoenician Capital is also B.S. because it was a colony of Tyre, then it became independent and formed an Empire = a concept totally different from the City-State system that was used by the Phoenicians.
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1d0af1 No.13302285
>>13302249
(Please read from the start)
There is no POLITICAL Phoenician Empire. The Empire the Phoenicians had was a TRADE EMPIRE = they mastered navigation which allowed them to have a huge monopoly of trade in the Med sea, until they got challenged and rivaled by the Greeks – centuries later. The Phoenicians never had an invading army = no infantry in big numbers to invade territories, topple down neighboring kingdoms and incorporate it to them. They never built such military force like the ones of the Ancient Egyptian kingdoms or the Assyrians or the Hittites. If they fought, they were hired to do so by others. They didn’t have the ambition to transform from the City-States to an Empire or Kingdom.
I see a lot of people out there just throwing out the words however, including supposed archaeologists, historians and experts….and they have done that for decades without even checking out the difference between this and that. I will come back to the Tophet subject and straighten things once and for all about it, but for now, I want anons to read and research for themselves and LEARN what is the difference between the words and the names.
If anons are still not convinced, then consider this as England and the United States. Once, ago, the United States were a British colony (part of it – you know what I mean here), but as time went forward, the U.S. fought for their independence and they became an new, young INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN NATION. And the culture and demographics of the U.S. changed, evolved and mutated = it parted ways with the English culture despite the fact that originated from the other. I hope this example is enough to make the reader understand that it was the same situation between Carthage and Tyre.
Anons, KNOW YOUR HISTORY before using the WORDS and when you do know it, USE THE WORDS CORRECTLY. You have no idea just how mind boggling it is for me to read all the spaghetti talk I see online, either in this site or in the net generally. Please, for the researchers whom take this sort of work seriously, please, know how to use the words and make correct attributions. Always check things out carefully before using them.
After this LONG explanation let’s go back to what was said about the Hamsa. So saying the Hamsa is Phoenician is false and a lie. Saying the Hamsa can be traced back to Mesopotamia and the relief of the goddess Ishtar is also a lie. Look closely to that relief, she is holding BOTH her hands open while holding only with her thumbs that strange weapon. Look closely anons, do you see an EYE in that PALM? = NO…. I don’t see one and I bet you don’t see one. She only has her palm open that’s ALL. Wasn’t the Hamsa supposed to be the RIGHT hand open with an eye on the palm? Why no one ever wondered why Ishtar has both of her hands opened and not ONLY her RIGHT HAND? We are not supposed to be asking such questions since if we do, we will be falling out of the Main Stream History narrative and (((their))) brainwashing.
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2ee163 No.13309350
>>13302285
(Please read from the start)
Well, I went looking for the hamsa in Carthage….I found many tombstones in the graveyard of the Metropolis with an open hand engraved on them next to the symbol of Tanit. I looked at MANY tombstones and I didn’t find a SINGLE ONE with an open EYE or a closed eye depicted on the palm. NOT A SINGLE ONE. I’m attaching some pictures for anons as a sample, the rest you can see it online yourselves if you are interested. But let me get your attention a bit to the “Caduceus” symbol we also see placed next to the Tanit symbol in some of the tombstones. Well, this is not a DNA swirl, this is not a Caduceus - I put the words in quotation marks to get your attention on it and to make you understand what I’m referring to – I’ve also put it in a yellow circle in one of the pictures to make it even more clear for the reader. So anons are going to ask me what is this? I will tell you go back and read what I’ve written about Gudea’s Libation Vase = it’s the same symbol. I believe this is to say that the spirit of the dead crossed to the other world via the portal. But anons shouldn’t forget that we are thousands of years apart from the Sumerian/Akkadian origin of this symbol. So this means the younger generation MIGHT only know this symbol refers to the crossing of one’s spirit from this world to the next one, but they had forgotten it also was also represented with an evil entity = the horned serpent. I’m saying this is a possibility, just like what happened in the Andean region where the geoglyph started with a specific function and meaning, but with time it mutated as it hopped from one culture to another; and its original meaning was lost and it changed into something else. Here we have the same situation.
I do agree with this Wikipedia page when (((they))) make the connection with Aphrodite/Venus. I will be talking about this when I tackle Ishtar. I totally disagree with the association with the Virgin Mary. And I agree the hamsa’s link to Judaism. They are both closely associated and it’s from there that it was transferred to Islam.
Anons, please take a VERY GOOD and LONG look this link: https://wonderisrael.com/israeli-souvenir-hamsa-hand/
This is a site that is talking about “supposed” Israeli souvenirs. If you think this is the truth then you are being terribly fooled. Take a long and good look at the picture in the header: All of these designs and MOST of these objects are ARABIC = NOT JEWISH. (((They))) are stealing right in front of everyone’s nose the culture and artisanal work- craftmanship of the Arabs. And the gullible tourist whom doesn’t even get curious enough to check things out first, simply believe these lies and in their heads it becomes ISRAELI culture. Let me wake you up by saying: THERE IS NO ISRAELI CULTURE. (((They))) STOLE EVERYTHING from the Palestinians, the Jordanians, the Egyptians, the Lebanese, the Syrians and the Iraqis.
How do I know this? Been there myself many times and I brought back MANY ARABIC souvenirs with me from all the old market places. My favorite places to go shopping for such things were always Bab Tuma in Damascus and Kapali Carsi in Istanbul. These are extremely old, roofed Grand Bazar places = old market style where you find many handcrafts and various souvenirs shops there. I was told the one in Cairo was as good as the other two but I never got the chance to visit it myself. If anyone ever wants to visit them, I will give one friendly warning = the place is filled with pickpocketing thieves, so you better watch your wallets when you get in there and you better keep an eye on the ladies if you are going as a group.
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2ee163 No.13309393
>>13309350
(Please read from the start)
The backgammon board game you see in that Israeli site for souvenirs, is a very very ancient game that traces back all the way to Mesopotamia. And it is famous for being played by mostly the Arabs and some of the Turks. It has nothing to do with the Israeli. (((They))) stole it like how (((they))) stole the rest. I have a Backgammon board that was gifted to me when I was visiting and I was taught to play this game. The pictures I’m attaching with this page are of the designs of the Syrian boards mostly. This design has a special name in French; it’s called “La Damascène” referring to Damascus. It exquisite craftsmanship with different colors of wood (sometimes shells are used as well).
The Lebanese also produce Backgammon boards but they are made mostly from Cedar wood and the design is much simpler on the inside as you can see in the picture I’ve attached. But they are also much more expensive since the craftsmanship is done by demand/order placed on the outer side of the board. I’ve seen some Lebanese made boards that cost 20 $ while I’ve seen others that cost 400 $ all depending on the level of carving done to the Cedar wood on the outer side of the board game; as well as the details and complexity of the design.
But the most popular and in my opinion the most beautiful boards are the ones with the design of Damascus style. I even brought back a jewelry box for my wife with the same craftsmanship and design.
Now listen to what that “souvenirs” shop say about the Hamsa:
“[…]
How did Hamsa Become a Part of Jewish Culture?
Elements of Hamsa can be seen in Jewelry design and art now. But if Hamsa does from Islamic background, how did it get into Jewish culture that is much older?
It’s not difficult actually.
Asherah and Baal were easily accepted by the house of David. But how Hamsa got into Jewish culture was because ephardic Jews used to live in Islamic countries and they picked it up from there. Then there was a teaching on Sabbath that mentioned ‘amulet’, then somehow using amulet was ‘justified’. And Hamsa as an amulet was ‘okay’. Then Kabbalists also used this symbol, so this Hamsa culture became popular.”
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2ee163 No.13309417
>>13309393
(Please read from the start)
>> Let’s stop here for a moment: How did we jump from Astarte & Baal to House of David to Jews living in Islamic countries? This is “passer du coq à l’âne” = jumping from the rooster to the donkey – old French saying when someone goes from one subject to another without any link connection between the two.
First of all, the Astarte Hamsa symbol is not proven and as I just showed anons there is NO EYE depicted in the hand and the goddess is holding up BOTH her hands and NOT ONE, while holding a weapon with her thumbs. So in other words they are using unproven and FALSE knowledge as FACTS and AUTHENTIC and shoveling it down your throats to cover a LIE.
2 - And then (((they))) go to say it was passed down to the house of David. Well, let’s pretend this is true and Baal is the devil/Satan and the Jews are the Holy chosen People of God, why did they use it in the first place? Let’s be nice and say they were fooled into using it or forced to…then since they found out later on it’s evil since it was a sign of Baal’s consort, why didn’t they stop using it over the centuries? If this was the symbol of Baal’s consort why did the JEWS kept on using it for centuries despite the fact that Baal is the name of Satan according to them? Am I the only one whom noticed this? Why didn’t they reject this? Why wasn’t it forbidden to be used as an evil sign? Why is it sooooo much promoted by the Jews? Why are they selling the damned thing as souvenirs if this was the sing associated to Baal = Satan?
BECAUSE IT’S NOT.
Because this was NEVER a symbol/sign associated with Baal or his consort Ishtar. Ishtar’s hand, including her mutation = Tanit’s hand, NEVER had an EYE IN THE PALM. NEVER. So this, it’s pure B.S….. let me rephrase that = it’s PURE JEWISH B.S.
By the way….if anons didn’t already notice that I get horribly pissed at cultural theft while I was working in the Andean region….now it’s obvious. Smoke comes out of my ears each time I encounter cultural theft like this no matter who is involved.
3 – Then somehow they jumped into the Islamic period with the mention of the Jews living under the Islamic rule. Oh please! Even a greenhorn in history knows that the Jews were the ones whom were controlling that area when Islam saw light. The Jewish Traders were extremely powerful in that region during that time. Their presence there is well documented and it pre-dates the birth of Islam. So saying the Jews took it from Islam is like saying the bread comes before the dough = you make a bread then you make a dough. It is well known that Islam was “influenced” by Judaism and Christianity and not the other way around. So the Jews trying to pin this on Islam is nothing but another LIE.
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0cfca1 No.13310243
>>13309417
(Please read from the start)
4 – Anons look at the next sentence from that paragraph, it’s really a piece of wonder: “Then there was a teaching on Sabbath that mentioned ‘THE amulet’, then somehow using THE amulet was ‘justified’.”
You kidding me!? The teaching on Sabbath “mentioned” and “amulet”….and “somehow” (= magically, miracously) the “use” of the “amulet” was “JUSTIFIED”. Holy Mary Mother of God! How DUMB do (((they))) think we are? So if I follow Main Stream History narrative and I calculate how many years there was from the reign of King David (born around year 1000 B.C. according to Main Stream History) and the birth of Islam (around 632-633 A.D. approximately) then…..grosso modo the JEWS used the symbol of the consort of Baal = Satan (according to them) for nearly a 1600 + years = that is a THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED YEARS….knowing it was the symbol/sign of Ishtar… and….just as Islam came, it’s use got SOMEHOW JUSTIFIED during the teachings on Sabbath.
What kind of B.S. is this? If the reader is convinced by this, then fine….it’s your choice….Me… I say it’s pure B.S. Go fool someone else with this narrative.
5 – Then we have this beauty of a sentence: “And Hamsa as an amulet was ‘okay’.” = You gotta be kidding me, right?! RIGHT!?!?!?!?!?!?! You are telling me that “somehow”, “magically”, out of nowhere, the hamsa symbol turned from the symbol of Satan (=Baal) consort to “OKAY”. Am I the only one feeling outrage right now at how much (((they))) think we are stupid?
6 – Here comes another beauty: “Then Kabbalists also used this symbol, so this Hamsa culture became popular.” Come on anons! Do I really need to comment on this sentence? Can I take a little break from all the outrage I’m feeling? How stupid do (((they))) we are? When I took a look at how (((they))) made this popular nowadays = trendy…. I found out it’s via Hollywood stars and other celebrities, as well as the fashion industry which (((they))) fully control. I’m attaching a few pictures for anons.
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3a80e5 No.13315792
>>13310243
(Please read from the start)
Let’s continue with that “souvenirs” site shall we?
“Should You Buy Hamsa as Gift As Christians (or For Christian Friends)?
There are many stores in Israel selling Hamsa hands, but it surely doesn’t mean everything you see in the ‘Holy land’ or even Christian souvenir shops are ‘holy’ in the eyes of God. People are attracted to buy Hamsa because it is mysterious. Now the source of this mystery is explained- paganism, and it’s related to Baal’s wife Asherah. It’s needless to say what God thinks about this.
Even if it is nicely packaged as something “bringing luck, keeping evil away”, or you might even see bible verses, walls of Jerusalem, star of David on it, but what’s IN it? Nothing has changed anything about the source of this symbol, Tanit’s symbol. Asherah.
Therefore, ” If Adonai is God, follow Him; but if Baal is, follow him.” There are many other souvenirs you can buy in Israel. Or pick something small like postcards for your friends. But be sure to look at what you pick, don’t accidentally take one of these!”
>> Is this some type of psychotic joke, more like a schizophrenic joke? WHOM are (((they))) trying to fool here? I just had a huge dosage of B.S. with this site. How long it’s going to take for it to be shut down and taken down? But you see, such sites push forward the propaganda of the Bloodlines and controlled by the Mossad. If you think one tiny second this narrative by all Israeli shops is not monitored and controlled by the Mossad, you are gravely fooling yourselves.
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3a80e5 No.13315842
>>13315792
(Please read from the start)
Now let’s go back where I left of in the Wikipedia hamsa page:
“One theory postulates a connection between the khamsa and the Mano Pantea (or Hand-of-the-All-Goddess), an amulet known to ancient Egyptians as the Two Fingers. In this amulet, the Two Fingers represent Isis and Osiris and the thumb represents their child Horus. It was used to invoke the protective spirits of parents over their child. Another theory traces the origins of the hamsa to Carthage (Phoenicia, modern Tunisia) where the hand (or in some cases vulva) of the supreme deity Tanit was used to ward off the evil eye, due to her venereal disease which caused her to have continual vaginal infections which created an offensive smell. According to Bruno Barbatti, at that time this motive was the most important sign of apotropaic magic in the Islamic world, though many modern representations continue to show an obvious origin from sex symbolism.”
>> More B.S. by trying to associate the hamsa with the Hand of the All Goddess from Ancient Egypt. (((They))) clearly say (((themselves))) the Hand of All Goddess has 2 fingers represented….but let’s just consider it close to the hamsa = 5 fingers represented….The name of the Hamsa means FIVE …. It got this name because FIVE fingers are represented NOT TWO….The name says it all….and yet….let’s push down your throats the Hands of all Goddess and enchant your mind with Ancient Egypt = this is the Matrix right in front of your eyes anons….Do you see the illusion of the Great Magician? Will you, the reader, WAKE UP FROM THE SPELL YOU ARE UNDER? It’s up to YOU.
And then, here we go again linking it once more to Tanit….and Phoenicia…NOT PUNIC…. I already explained this….so I’m not going there once more. What a piece of crap this hamsa is!
Bruno Barbatti…How much were you paid? Whom paid you? The Roths or the Rocks?
I will talk about Isis, Osiris and Horus later on.
“This relates to the belief that God exists in everything. Another meaning of this symbol relates to the sky god, Horus. It refers to the Eye of Horus, which means humans cannot escape from the eye of conscience. It says that the sun and moon are the eyes of Horus. The Hand of Fatima also represents femininity, and is referred as the woman's holy hand. It is believed to have extraordinary characteristics that can protect people from evil and other dangers.”
>> Honestly! I cannot stop laughing at the crap (((they))) are pushing in my face with this Wikipedia page.
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3a80e5 No.13315876
>>13315842
(Please read from the start)
“It is speculated that Jews were among the first to use this amulet due to their beliefs about the evil eye. The symbol of the hand appears in Kabbalistic manuscripts and amulets, doubling as the Hebrew letter "Shin", the first letter of "Shaddai", one of the names referring to God. The use of the hamsa in Jewish culture has been intermittent, utilized often by Jews during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, then less and less over time into the mid-twentieth century. However, the notion of a protective hand has been present in Judaism dating all the way back to Biblical times, where it is referenced in Deuteronomy 5:15, stated in the Ten Commandments as the "strong hand" of God who led the Jews out of Egypt. The hamsa is later seen in Jewish art as God's hand reaching down from heaven during the times of late antiquity, the Byzantine period, and even medieval Europe. Its use by Ashkenazi Jewish communities from this period is well-known, and evidence has also emerged of the hamsa being used by Jews from medieval Spain, often associated with "sympathetic magic". Historians such as Shalom Sabar believe that after the Jewish expulsion from Spain in 1492, exiled Jews likely used the hamsa as protection in the foreign lands they were forced to relocate to, however this assumption has been difficult to prove. According to Sabar, the hamsa has also been used later by Jews in Europe "as a distinctive sign of the priesthood, especially when they wished to show that a person was of priestly descent…".”
>> I’m rolling on the floor while holding my ribs and roaring in laughter with tears in my eyes. No comments for this paragraph. It’s clear as crystal and it says it all. Kabbalah really do love (((their))) symbols, don’t (((they)))?
“The khamsa holds recognition as a bearer of good fortune among Christians in the region as well. Levantine Christians call it the hand of Mary (Arabic: Kef Miryam, or the "Virgin Mary's Hand"). 34 years after the end of Islamic rule in Spain, its use was significant enough to prompt an episcopal committee convened by Emperor Charles V to decree a ban on the Hand of Fatima and all open right hand amulets in 1526.”
>> This is one big fat juicy lie. A few decades ago, I asked the Christians in the M.E. about the hamsa. Most declared it’s a bad omen sign, while some said it’s sign of Evil. I agree with them. And I think it was banned not because it’s the Hand of Fatima, but because they understood it was a symbol of Evil.
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0cfca1 No.13321946
>>13315876
(Please read from the start)
“Symbolism and usage
The Hand (Khamsa), particularly the open right hand, is a sign of protection that also represents blessings, power and strength, and is seen as potent in deflecting the evil eye. One of the most common components of gold and silver jewelry in the region, historically and traditionally, it was most commonly carved in jet or formed from silver, a metal believed to represent purity and hold magical properties. It is also painted in red (sometimes using the blood of a sacrificed animal) on the walls of houses for protection, or painted or hung on the doorways of rooms, such as those of an expectant mother or new baby. The hand can be depicted with the fingers spread apart to ward off evil, or as closed together to bring good luck. Similarly, it can be portrayed with the fingers pointing up in warding, or down to bestow blessings. Highly stylized versions may be difficult to recognize as hands, and can consist of five circles representing the fingers, situated around a central circle representing the palm.”
>> Did anons notice that it was painted by the blood of sacrificed animals? Yuk! I wonder how it smelled with that blood on it? Say! Does anyone still reading know if they sacrifice animals nowadays in Islam? I surely don’t, at least I don’t remember them doing it during prayer. Never heard of it being done during Islamic prayers or rituals. I know they kill sheep and goats for Ramadan feast, but I never heard or saw Muslim sacrifice of animals during prayer or as protective ritual. And I’m sure it’s not done with Christians as well. So this leaves only the Jews.
“Used to protect against evil eye, a malicious stare believed to be able to cause illness, death or just general unluckiness, hamsas often contain an eye symbol. Depictions of the hand, the eye or the number five in Arabic (and Berber) tradition are related to warding off the evil eye, as exemplified in the saying khamsa fi ainek ("five [fingers] in your eye"). Raising one's right hand with the palm showing and the fingers slightly apart is part of this curse meant "to blind the aggressor". Another formula uttered against the evil eye in Arabic, but without hand gestures, is khamsa wa-khamis ("five and Thursday"). As the fifth day of the week, Thursday is considered a good day for magic rites and pilgrimages to the tombs of revered saints to counteract the effects of the evil eye.”
>> Extremely important notable: “to blind the aggressor”. Take note, we will use this later on.
“Due to its significance in both Arabic and Berber culture, the hamsa is one of the national symbols of Algeria and appears in its emblem. It is also the most popular among the different amulets (such as the Eye and the Hirz—a silver box containing verses of the Quran) for warding off the evil eye in Egypt. Egyptian women who live in baladi ("traditional") urban quarters often make khamaysa, which are amulets made up of five (khamsa) objects to attach to their children's hair or black aprons. The five objects can be made of peppers, hands, circles or stars hanging from hooks”
>> We are talking about Modern day Egypt here. The mentioned countries are all Islamic ones, so it’s not surprising to find the Hamsa so imbedded there.
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f5a02c No.13338493
>>13321946
(Please read from the start)
“Although significant in Arabic and Berber culture, the Jewish people have long interpreted and adopted the symbol of the hand with great importance since the Ten Commandments. A portion of these commandments state that "Lord took Israel out of Egypt with a strong hand and an outstretched arm". The "strong hand" is representative of the hamsa which rooted its relevance in the community then. The helping hand exemplified God's willingness to help his people and direct them out of struggle. Around the time of the Byzantine period, artists would depict God's hand reaching from up above. God's hand from heaven would lead the Jewish people out of struggle, and the Jews quickly made a connection with the hamsa and their culture. The hand was identified in Jewish text, and acquired as an influential icon throughout the community.”
>> I’m a complete ignorant here. If anyone can help me out, it will be great. From what is written I’ve understood that the Hamsa is related to the 10 Commandments….but I don’t remember it (or the Hand of God) being mentioned in the 10 Commandments. It might have been mentioned in the story of Moses and how he, along with his people got out of Egypt, but, it’s never mentioned in the 10 Commandments. So why are they implying in this Wikipedia page that the Hamsa or the Hand of God was mentioned in the 10 Commandments or it’s related to it? There is no connection.
Also….I’m curious just as I’m ignorant….if God was so willing to help His people and direct them out of struggle….why then did He punish them by making them wander for decades in the desert? Why didn’t He send the Holy Spirit to inlight them after they made that golden calf to worship? Or send them some type of sign? By the way….has anyone heard of an Egyptian deity that is represented by a calf? It’s not Hathor, I can assure you…she is a COW….not a calf….. I’m a totally ignorant, so does anyone know how to answer my questions? Humor me here a bit anons, I’m trying to think about this loudly. Maybe my memory is failing me after in my old years.
And I though the hamsa got into Judaism from the influence of the cult of Ishtar (consort of Baal), to Davidic dynasty. So now we are talking about the hamsa getting into Judaism way before the time of David?
Anyone apart me think there is something incredibly wrong and irregular with the information provided to us here? The inconsistencies are HUGE and often. Is this what those “Sabbath” teaching mentioned in page 771, came up with? Is this their conclusion? But then….it means the hamsa was in Judaism way long before Islam’s birth. Which in turn means it’s a LIE that the hamsa got into Judaism via Islam….it’s the other way around….It got into Islam via Judaism. See how things are twisted and how (((they))) manipulate everything.
“Amongst the Jewish people, the hamsa is a very respected, holy, and common symbol. It is used in the Ketubah, or marriage contracts, as well as items that dress the Torah such as pointers, and the Passover Haggadah. The use of the hand as images both in and out of the synagogue suggests the importance and relevance that the Jewish people associated with the hamsa. The hand decorated some of the most religious and divine objects and has since emerged from its uncommon phase.”
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4698dd No.13354037
>>13338493
(Please read from the start)
“At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel, the hamsa became a symbol in everyday Israeli life, and to a degree, a symbol of Israel itself. It has come to be a symbol of secularity, and a trendy talisman; a "good luck" charm appearing on necklaces, keychains, postcards, telephone and lottery cards, and in advertisements. It is also a commonly used symbol by Jews outside of the Middle East, particularly in Jewish communities of the United States. It is also incorporated into high-end jewellery, decorative tilework and wall decorations.
Similar to the Western use of the phrase "knock on wood" or "touch wood", a common expression in Israel is "Hamsa, Hamsa, Hamsa, tfu, tfu, tfu", the sound for spitting, supposedly to spit out bad luck.
At the Mimouna, a Maghrebi Jewish celebration held after Passover, tables are laid with various symbols of luck and fertility, with an emphasis on the number "5", such as five pieces of gold jewelry or five beans arranged on a leaf of pastry. The repetition of the number five is associated with the hamsa amulet.
In Morocco, the Hamsa is called 'Khamsa' or 'Khmisa' and is widely used as a protection from bad luck and evil people. The Hamsa is incorporated in many home decor items, but still, the most common use is in jewelry. In fact, most Moroccan women have at least one jewelry piece with a Hamsa.
The Native American Southeastern Ceremonial Complex also contained images of a human hand with an eye in the palm. However, the meaning and purpose are unconfirmed.”
>> Let’s make it clear: the Hamsa is JEWISH, deeply imbedded in JUDAISM and it’s rooted in it = place of origin.
The FACT that it’s found in the Native American culture specifically in the artifacts related to the EVIL Sisiutl a.k.a. the Horned Serpent, means it’s linked to EVIL there. So how come we have in 2 different cultures so far apart in time and space with the Hamsa in each of them? It’s because the origin of the Hamsa is one and the same = pre-Flood.
If we want to make a very short summary of the information we’ve go about the Hamsa so far:
1 – It’s deeply imbedded in Judaism, it’s birth place.
2 – It’s considered by them as a protective symbol.
3 – It was passed to other religions/cultures via Judaism.
4 – It’s closely linked to the State of Israel and the Kabbalah.
5 – With the Native American, it’s associated, linked to the Horned Snake and is considered Evil.
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4698dd No.13354092
>>13354037
(Please read from the start)
The rattlesnake disk is not the only artifact with the Hamsa depicted on it though. After taking a quick look at the Moundville’s museum in Alabama I found 2 other interesting artifacts with the Hamsa represented on them.
The first artifact is incredibly interesting. From the looks of it, it seems to be a fragment of a much larger piece. The Hamsa hand represented on this artifact is in the same position as the one on the rattlesnake disk but here, we have a multitude of incredibly interesting details.
Let’s start by taking a look at the fingers. All 5 of them have lines on them EXACTLY where the finger palmar dip crease are. In other words we are looking at the inner side of the hand = the palm side…..and from the position of the hand, we are looking at the left hand here, not the right hand. When we look at the palm there are no lines on it, but the crease lines are on the fingers. Which is making me believe this is some type of glove.
On the palm rests a semi-circle with a diameter depicted on it. In the middle of the semi-circle there is a horizontal line. In NO shape or form this is an eye as in a human eye. If this is a closed up human eye, then what is that horizontal eye we have on the semi-circle? Interesting isn’t it? This indicates that the Hamsa is not what we think it is.
The last detail is also terribly interesting. From the wrist downwards there is a grid pattern on the arm. Doesn’t it look like scales anons? And it corresponds to the tails of the Horned Serpent and the Sisutl = either it’s a serpent or it has aquatic abilities. Doesn’t both snakes and fishes have scales like this?
It fits perfectly with the stories and legends about the scales of the Sisiutl and the horned Serpent “petrifying” those it touches and it make them feel like they are burning = I still think it’s poison symptoms. And the swimming ability we’ve read about the horned serpent also corresponds to the scales….if it fish scales = swimming ability – if it’s snake scales = poison. And I believe it’s both cases here. This “creature” is not a normal one, it’s like it’s a mixture of many animals.
The scales doesn’t just remind me of these 2 types of animals but they also remind me of something else = third option = a medieval body armor made not of plates but of scales = cotte de maille – I’ve attached a picture of what I’m talking about: it has long sleeves and it was worn by knights during the Medieval times. It also reminds me of the Ancient Chinese armrors, like the one we’ve seen in the movie Mulan, from Disney.
When I gather all the elements I have for now, either from the artifacts and the legends, they correspond and they are all leading me to the same direction = this is a military armor.
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aec634 No.13354119
>>9207873 (pb) (OP - Bridges + MAPS #4)
Thomas Anon:
The More you know…
Think Vtopia.
No coincidences.
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aec634 No.13354126
Anon can link D5 to C19 using logic, but requires clockfag assistance - any offers?
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4698dd No.13354147
>>13354092
(Please read from the start)
The second artifact from the same museum is another disk. On the diameter of the disk we see some type of cord or colonage….it looks like it was twisted or swirled in some sections and there are 2 human heads on this middle ….what should I call it? = design. These 2 heads are each facing in a different/ opposing direction from one another. I put the central design in a yellow rectangle.
On the left side of this central design there is the strangest depiction I’ve ever seen of my life. At first glance, I cannot make anything out of it. But after longer examination, I can see parts of it, as if different things were glued to one another = put together this way.
What I put in red circles seems to have a fish body with tail and a sea horse body with tail = both aquatic animals. What I put in green circle is without a doubt a wing. On the lower right side there is a strange object that might be some sort of weapon = pure guess from my part on this one. If anons have a problem in visualizing what I’m talking about, then flip the image of the disk 90 degrees and then take a second look at it.
On the upper right corner of the disk we have not one but two Hamsa represented. Look at them closely anons, near the edge of the disk, it’s clear that this is a gauntlet = it length is in perfect match of that one of a gauntlet. We don’t have one Hamsa hand but two. Looking at the thumb fingers, it’s clear we have both hands = 2 hands.
When you look at the “eye” on the palm, the circle = iris, is in a double semi-circle that has pointy edges. This is not an eye shape we have. When depicted an eye is always of ovoid shape, not a semi-circle with a diameter line. This is not an eye anons, this is not an eye. This is something else.
When I took at look at Medieval gauntlets to compare with, the outer shape does correspond, but not the inner one. On the inside, these gauntlets are hollow, with straps to attach it to the hand = not a match with what we’ve got with the Hamsa.
Even more troubling is how the “eye” in the middle is represented if we compare both this artifact and the one before it. On the previous one there was no circle in the middle, but a horizontal line….and here, we have a circle. That puzzled me for a few days until a few hours ago when I was about to sit down on my desk to write this page. I reached out to turn on the light of my desk lamp and I saw the switch button = the on/off symbols on it.
I laughed, thought it was silly at first, but when I re-examined both eyes on the artifact I saw similarities. They are almost identical. In modern day switches, the horizontal line is to TURN ON, while the circle is to TURN OFF. When you open your eyes it’s round like a circle (almost, more like ovoid), and when you close your eyes it’s like a horizontal line. It’s the other way around = the opposite of the lamp switch.
Anons might think I’ve gone senile or being simple minded. Yeah, I thought my imagination was getting to me at first. But then I wondered how was it decided the On or Off symbols would look like that, I found no answer. Whom decided it should be a line and a circle? Why isn’t it a square or a star or penguin etc.? Why specifically chose these 2 symbols together, once more, like how they were used on this Hamsa?
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4698dd No.13354220
>>13354147
(Please read from the start)
Then I remembered how (((they))) know all the hidden tech that is kept secret from the rest of humanity. How (((they))) are trying to recreate that technology by reverse engineer it and replicate it. And then it started to make sense how such symbols were chose for a lamp switch and where (((they))) got them from. But just for the record, I think they got it in reverse. It should be the other way around with the symbols, as in the circle should be the ON and the horizontal line should be the OFF.
When I combine all the elements I got from these 2 artifacts from the Moundville museum in Alabama, it reaffirms what I said earlier as this being an armor worn by the villain for the Native Americans. What we see as the Hamsa hand is actually the gauntlet of that armor.
It’s an armor that has scales, can swim and can fly. It has horns or antlers and it’s poisonous somehow. When I combine that the Hamsa was used as a protection symbol, so how can a gauntlet with something like an eye on the middle of the palm have a protective function? Then I remembered the armor worn by Iron Man and what is on his gauntlets – picture for anons.
You think it’s silly, right? When I looked at when Iron Man was created: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man
“Iron Man is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character was co-created by writer and editor Stan Lee, developed by scripter Larry Lieber, and designed by artists Don Heck and Jack Kirby. The character made his first appearance in Tales of Suspense #39 (cover dated March 1963), and received his own title in Iron Man #1 (May 1968). Also in 1963, the character founded the Avengers alongside Thor, Ant-Man, Wasp and the Hulk.”
Iron Man is a fictional character that was created in 1963 by the C.I.A. and other agencies of the sort. Whom really created these superheroes? And where the idea for these superheroes came from? Where the inspiration came from? What is the source of their information? So (((they))) knew since THEN. Wasn't it said the armor of Satan was RED = color red? What is the color of Iron Man's armor again?
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053b12 No.13354310
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4698dd No.13354317
>>13354220
(Please read from the start)
When you look at how Iron Man uses his hand blasters, he uses them for 2 purposes: 1 – Defend himself by shooting blasts from them. 2 – Use them as propellers to fly. Both fit perfectly with our findings about the Hamsa properties. So when it is said that the Hamsa is a protective symbol, it is. It’s like Iron Man’s blaster that is used to protect the one wearing that gauntlet.
Iron Man is not the ONLY Marvel character with powerful special gauntlet. We’ve seen heroes and even villains from the Marvel world use super weapon kind of gauntlets. We also saw it in page 206 with the hand bracelet Ra wore and used it to kill one of his guards/soldiers in the movie Stargate. Please go back and examine the picture carefully and how the weapon looks like an eye on the palm of the hand. So the idea is not unique and (((they))) have been using it many times in the comic and movie worlds.
So if this gauntlet is worn and used by the Horned Serpent/Sisiutl as a defensive weapon = shooting blasts on the attacker….whom is going to attack the Horned Serpend/Sisiutl? Well, it was mentioned that the Horned Serpend/ Sisiutl had one natural predator as in mortal enemy = the ThunderBirds. So the hand blaster gauntlet was used to protect the Horned Serpent from the ThunderBirds. Is this a weapon used to protect the Villain from the Hero? As in to protect the Evil guys from the Good guys?
Is this why we see members of the Cult wear the Hamsa nowadays? = to protect them from the good guys? Is this why it’s imbedded in Judaism? Is this why Kaballah is fond of it? Is it because it is a weapon worn by the soldiers of (((their))) clan before the Flood to protect (((them))) from the ThunderBirds? But if you notice anons, not ALL Kaballah members wear the Hamsa. At least to my knowledge. I only managed to find the pictures I’ve attached to page 771. Maybe I missed others but this is all I’ve found. And I want to point that the Hamsa is extremely different than the EYE symbol we see everyone wearing. Most people confuse them because the Hamsa is also represented with an eye on the palm but I think they are 2 different and separate objects. We simply confuse and mix them. So again, not all Celebrities wear the Hamsa, which is making me believe it denotes a specific rank or a function within (((their))) cult = like a higher status or a higher rank.
Yes. I’m all with you if you, the reader, think this is all crazy talk from an old man. I thought the same at first as well. But didn’t Qteam say that sometimes the truth can be stranger/ weirder than fiction? (something of those lines). What do you think my first reaction was? = it was to go back and take a look at if I can find any traces = artifacts of this Horned Serpent or villain in the previous civilizations to support my words. I don’t want to rely on what was put together from ONLY the Moundville Museum artifacts and the myths of the Native Americans. I want more pieces of evidence. The more the better in this case.
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2c70a6 No.13354321
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a00764 No.13359823
>>13354317
(Please read from the start)
Since Ningishzida was mentioned in the Horned Serpent page of Wikipedia as being an appearance of the Horned Serpent outside of America, I went there to look for him. And I found an Akkadian God (later passed on to the Assyrian times) called Nergal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nergal
“Nergal, Nirgal, or Nirgali (Sumerian: KIŠ.UNU or d GÌR-UNUG-GAL. Hebrew: נֵרְגַל, Modern: Nergal, Tiberian: Nērḡál; Aramaic: ܢܸܪܓܲܠ;[4] Latin: Nirgal) is a deity that was worshipped throughout ancient Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, and Babylonia) with the main seat of his worship at Cuthah represented by the mound of Tell-Ibrahim. Other names for him are Erra and Irra.”
>> For researcher whom are going into this tunnel, if you are working on the same period I’m working on = origins & after the Flood, my advice is to stop at the end of the Akkadian period and not step one toe into the Assyrian period. Something happened and things changed after this. So be careful.
“Nergal is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible as the deity of the city of Cuth (Cuthah): "And the men of Babylon made Succoth-benoth, and the men of Cuth made Nergal" (2 Kings, 17:30). According to the Talmudists, his emblem was a cockerel and Nergal means a "dunghill cock", although standard iconography pictured Nergal as a lion. He is a son of Enlil and Ninlil, along with Nanna and Ninurta.”
>> Interesting parents and siblings! In one of the version of the Epic of Gilgamesh, the gods gathered and decided to Flood the world as in to annihilate mankind and all of creation (page 40). One of these gods in the meeting was Enlil and the second god attending that meeting is non-other than Ninurta = the first is the FATHER of NERGAL and the second is his BROTHER. It’s a family thing apparently….you know….to wipe out the human race with a FLOOD. And for the anons whom didn’t catch it yet = Ninurta = Ningishzida = Ningirsu = Horned Serpent = Sisiutl = same group ^_^ I’ve already posted about it in the Gudea Libation vase and when I talked about the Horned Serpent.
Do anons realize that we are on the traces of those whom actually caused the GREAT FLOOD? Yup! I’m trying to find out whom the Great Villain was, whom the culprit was.
“Attributes
Nergal seems to be, in part, a solar deity, sometimes identified with Shamash, but only representative of a certain phase of the sun. Portrayed in hymns and myths as a god of war and pestilence, Nergal seems to represent the sun of noontime and of the summer solstice that brings destruction, high summer being the dead season in the Mesopotamian annual cycle. He has also been called "the king of sunset". Over time Nergal developed from a war god to a god of the underworld. In the mythology, this occurred when Enlil and Ninlil gave him the underworld.”
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a00764 No.13359944
>>13359823
(Please read from the start)
>> Remember how the Ayar brothers were the children of the sun? Viracocha was as well, right? So don’t jump and mostly don’t rush with your conclusion. From the pattern I have been keeping an eye on, it seems the “children of the Sun” is a name given to those whom traveled using the portal = our SUN. Those whom came from the portal are called the “children of the Sun”, regardless if they are bad or good. I don’t think the identification with Shamash is correct though, not because Nergal had solar attributes does this make him Shamash or associated with him.
Also Nergal was a god of war = massacre, killing and then he became the god of the underworld, just like our good old Horned Serpent – do not forget that Ninurta was also “turned” into a god of war…he started as a wise good god of agriculture mostly, but somehow mutated into becoming a god of war.
“Nergal was also the deity who presides over the netherworld, and who stands at the head of the special pantheon assigned to the government of the dead (supposed to be gathered in a large cave known as Aralu or Irkalla). In this capacity, he has associated with him a goddess Allatu or Ereshkigal, though at one time Allatu may have functioned as the sole mistress of Aralu, ruling in her own person. In some texts, the god Ninazu is the son of Nergal and Allatu/Ereshkigal.”
>> The similarities with the Horned Serpent/ Sisiutl are huge.
“Ordinarily, Nergal pairs with his consort Laz. Standard iconography pictured Nergal as a lion, and boundary-stone monuments symbolise him with a mace surmounted by the head of a lion.”
>> Oh I do love it when the pieces come together this way. What is a mace anons? Isn’t it a staff? Like what our Staff-god used to yield as a weapon? Seems like the bad guys also had a similar weapon to the ones the good guys had.
“Nergal's fiery aspect appears in names or epithets such as Lugalgira, Lugal-banda (Nergal as the fighting-cock), Sharrapu ("the burner", a reference to his manner of dealing with outdated teachings), Erra, Gibil (though this name more properly belongs to Nusku), and Sibitti or Seven. A certain confusion exists in cuneiform literature between Ninurta (slayer of Asag and wielder of Sharur, an enchanted mace) and Nergal. Nergal has epithets such as the "raging king", the "furious one", and the like. A play upon his name—separated into three elements as Ne-uru-gal (light of the great Ûru; lord of the great dwelling)—expresses his position at the head of the nether-world pantheon.”
>> I want to caution anons here and tell them that the Sumerian language wasn’t properly deciphered yet. The Akkadian was, at least up to a good extent = partial, but the Sumerian was not properly deciphered. So there is loads of confusion, mostly with those nicknames, epithets and titles and names people used to give to big figures. So don’t rush anons and try not to get confused, this is unstable ground, so don’t go getting lost with the titles.
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053b12 No.13360574
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486936 No.13365525
>>13359944
(Please read from the start)
Let me give you an example: If right now I wanted to give Mr. Donald Trump an epithet that kinda glorify him or underlines his exploits….what will that be? = Don the Great, Trump the Lion, President Trump the Eagle, Donald the Magnificent? But you see…..all of these epithets are common to many people in history. So if anons read about Nergal having the same epithet or titles as other deities don’t get confused, it’s normal to share them, mostly when you had a City-State system where each City had its own ruler and had its own cocktail of deities. So many gods can have the same epithets, characteristics or titles depending on their powers and exploits.
And did the anons notice the “Sharur”? = the enhanced MACE? What is a mace? What is the synonym of mace? ^_^
Nergal was a “burner” = since he was a god of war, then it means he burned everything and everyone. Doesn’t electricity burn and can cause fires? If he is holding a staff = sharur weapon, doesn’t it remind the reader of what Ra soldiers were holding in the Stargate movie? It’s the same weapon that I’ve been talking about for some time now.
A small description of the relief of Nergal, attached to this page:
He is holding a staff IDENTICAL to the one held by Quetzalcoatl (pages 255 and 278) but also held by other Mesoamerican deities like Tlaloc (starting page 274) and mostly Huitzilopochtli (starting page 276). As in, both bad deities and good deities held such mace or staff weapons. I’m not going to go once more about the Staff-god and his helpers, anons can make the link themselves.
Nergal is represented with pointy ears like the ones we see Elves have in movies. When we look closely to this relief of Nergal, there is something strange coming down on his chest, from his head: are these horns or is this his braided hair? If we compare them with the horns on his “hat”/”helmet” these are mostly like his braided hair. I also want to attract attention to what he is wearing on his wrists.
“In the late Babylonian astral-theological system, Nergal is related to the planet Mars. As a fiery god of destruction and war, Nergal doubtless seemed an appropriate choice for the red planet, and he was equated by the Greeks to the war-god Ares (Latin Mars)—hence the current name of the planet. In Assyro-Babylonian ecclesiastical art, the great lion-headed colossi serving as guardians to the temples and palaces seem to symbolise Nergal, just as the bull-headed colossi probably typify Ninurta.”
>> This is rather interesting! So Nergal was associated to Ares. I guess this is due to the bloodbath = massacres both are famous for.
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3bcfa2 No.13371587
>>13365525
(Please read from the start)
“Nergal's chief temple at Cuthah bore the name Meslam, from which the god receives the designation of Meslamtaeda or Meslamtaea, "the one that rises up from Meslam". The name Meslamtaeda/Meslamtaea indeed is found as early as the list of gods from Fara while the name Nergal only begins to appear in the Akkadian period. Amongst the Hurrians and later Hittites, Nergal was known as Aplu, a name derived from the Akkadian Apal Enlil, (Apal being the construct state of Aplu) meaning "the son of Enlil. As god of the plague, he was invoked during the "plague years" during the reign of the Hittite king Suppiluliuma, when this disease spread from Egypt.”
>> This is getting more and more interesting. So even in later periods/times he was known as the son of Enlil. But the MOST IMPORTANT INFORMATION is that his cult (along with the information concerning him) reached the HITTITES and this is incredibly IMPORTANT. More than anyone can think. I’ve said many times that I’m stopping at the end of the Akkadian period and not going into the Assyrian period, and here it’s the same thing, I’m not going to go further down from the Akkadian period.
“The worship of Nergal does not appear to have spread as widely as that of Ninurta, but in the late Babylonian and early Persian period, syncretism seems to have fused the two divinities, which were invoked together as if they were identical. Hymns and votive and other inscriptions of Babylonian and Assyrian rulers frequently invoke him, but we do not learn of many temples to him outside of Cuthah. The Assyrian king Sennacherib speaks of one at Tarbisu to the north of the Assyrian capital of Nineveh, but significantly, although Nebuchadnezzar II (606–586 BC), the great temple-builder of the neo-Babylonian monarchy, alludes to his operations at Meslam in Cuthah, he makes no mention of a sanctuary to Nergal in Babylon. Local associations with his original seat—Kutha—and the conception formed of him as a god of the dead acted in making him feared rather than actively worshipped.”
>> This paragraph is a perfect example how later generation and other cultures mutate, confuse, mix or simply forget the origin of a cult or something. I’ve been repeating many times already this in this thread and we’ve seen this mostly in the Andean region; it’s very noticeable there. And this is what happened to Nergal, in later periods = he got mixed and kinda blended with his “brother” and this usually ends up confusing loads of non-professionals. Remember that Nergal and Ninurta were “brothers” with similar (or the same) epithets and same characteristics, so it’s only natural for later on generation whom doesn’t understand where all of this is coming from to mix and confuse them…..which in turn, is also confusing nowadays readers. So stick to the oldest period, at least for now. Also anons shouldn’t be surprised to find these 2 deities mixed like this because both from the same CLAN from before the Flood.
“Myths
The Wrath of Erra
In this myth, Nergal is feeling dull and bored. To wake himself up, he decides to attack Babylon. However, Babylon is under the protection of Marduk, the most powerful of the gods. Nergal travels to Babylon on the ruse of a friendly visit. Pretending to show shock at the appearance of Marduk's clothing, he convinces the god to get a change of clothing and leave the city. Once Marduk has left Babylon, Irra attacks the city. People are slain in the streets. Soon Irra is satisfied and stops the attack and makes a prophecy about a great leader to protect the people.”
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421646 No.13377160
>>13371587
(Please read from the start)
>> So let me get this: Negal a.k.a. Erra doesn’t directly attack the City-State because it was under the protection of Marduk. So it’s Infiltration instead of Invasion. Hm! Where did I hear this before? And then with trickery, he convinces Marduk = the protector of the city, to leave. Only after Marduk left that Erra killed the people, only to stop when he is satisfied. Isn’t that the behavior of a murderous psychopath? And as a finale, he makes a prophecy about a great leader whom is going to protect the people. Strange! But I thought Marduk was just that…. So why make a prophecy about another protector here?
“Nergal and Ereshkigal
According to this myth, the gods have created a banquet for which all deities are invited. However, Ereshkigal is unable to leave the underworld. Instead, she sends her son Namtar to take a share of the feast. When Namtar arrives, the other deities rise out of respect except for Erra. Insulted, Namtar goes home and tells his mother. Enki and other gods tell Nergal to enter the underworld. Nergal takes with him 14 demons. When he arrives, the gatekeeper Neti gets orders from Ereshkigal to allow him through the seven gates, stripping him of everything until the throne room, where he would be killed. But at each gate, Nergal posts two demons. When he gets to the throne he knocks over Namtar and drags Ereshkigal to the floor. He is about to kill her with his ax when she pleads for her life, promising her as his wife and to share her power with him. He consents. However, Nergal must still leave the underworld for six months, so Ereshkigal gives him back his demons and allows him to traverse the upper world for that time, after which he returns to her. This myth shows how war is fought in seasons.”
>> This paragraph is incredibly interesting. I think it’s not just a “passer by”, shallow myth. I want anons to remember the story about Clue and Flynn in the Tron: Legacy movie and how the “bad guy” wanted to take power = rule = a coup to seize the throne. Enki gave “orders” to Nergal to go to the underworld, as if this was a group planned event, just like what we saw happened with the gods gathering to send the Great Flood = it’s a plot, a plan. It’s also incredible how Nergal took 14 demons with him and there were 7 gates.
There is a woman involved now and it feels like she sacrificed herself and her throne in order to stay alive. Nergal leaving the underworld for 6 months is identical to the story of Hades and Persephone from Greek mythology. How did it get to the Greeks from the Sumerian/Akkadian myths? Remember the Hittites? I will be explaining this at some other time, but yes, the connection is there.
Also just a reminder that there was a woman involved in the main story of creation = of Adam and Eve and how she was “seduced” by the Serpent. Don’t forget we are still talking about the Horned Serpend from the Native American myths here. By that I mean that I have found Nergal similar to the Horned Serpent and Sisiutl, not just Ningishzida a.k.a Ninurta.
In the relief I’ve attached the picture of to this page, Nergal is holding a caduceus….but anons know my interpretation of that symbol is different. But there is also a possibility this might be Nergal holding the Sharur and lightning = depicted like serpents coming out of it.
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a4597a No.13377948
>>13377160
(Please read from the start)
“Cult places
The main cult centre of Nergal was Kutha, and also enjoyed patronage over Mashkan-shapir. Cults are also attested for Dilbat, Isin, Larsa, Nippur, Ur and Uruk.”
>> Interesting choice of cities we’ve got here.
“Time periods attested
Earliest evidence on Nergal is as the god Meslamtaea in Kutha, in god-lists from Fara and Abu Salabikh. The name Nergal first appears in the Ur III period (22nd to 21st century BC). In the second millennium, Nergal comes to co-rule the underworld with Ereškigal. In the Neo-Assyrian period, he is attested as a significant figure in official Assyrian religious veneration.”
>> See how a mutation and change occurs with time? We are FAR from how the starting point. This is why I’m sticking to the oldest period for this thread. The later periods do not contain the information I’m looking for.
“In demonology
Because he was a god of fire, the desert, and the Underworld and also a god from ancient paganism, later Christian writers sometimes identified Nergal as a demon and even identified him with Satan.”
>> Not Satan himself, but from his entourage. He was among the plotters as already mentioned.
“According to Collin de Plancy and Johann Weyer, not writing before the 16th century, Nergal was depicted by witches or magi as the chief of Hell's "secret police", and worked as "an honorary spy in the service of Beelzebub.”
>>This is more like it, as in Nergal was not the Great Evil himself, but someone from his entourage. Also, remember how he infiltrated the City-State of Babylon which was under Marduk’s protection instead of directly and openly attacking it? So doesn’t this make him a spy of some sort?
Let’s check this other deity mentioned earlier as being assimilated with Nergal = Erra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erra_(god)
“Erra (sometimes called Irra) is an Akkadian plague god known from an 'epos' of the eighth century BCE. Erra is the god of mayhem and pestilence who is responsible for periods of political confusion. He was assimilated to Nergal at some point.”
>> This is quite a recent date, not in the time frame I’m working on but I still want to take a look to see if it mutated and what are the details.
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a4597a No.13377987
>>13377948
(Please read from the start)
“Epic of Erra
In the epic that is given the modern title Erra, the writer Kabti-ilani-Marduk, a descendant, he says, of Dabibi, presents himself in a colophon following the text as simply the transcriber of a visionary dream in which Erra himself revealed the text.
The poem opens with an invocation. The god Erra is sleeping fitfully with his consort (identified with Mamītum and not with the mother goddess Mami) but is roused by his advisor Išum and the Seven (Sibitti or Sebetti), who are the sons of heaven and earth —"champions without peer" is the repeated formula—and are each assigned a destructive destiny by Anu. Machinist and Sasson (1983) call them "personified weapons". The Sibitti call on Erra to lead the destruction of mankind. Išum tries to mollify Erra's wakened violence, to no avail. Foreign peoples invade Babylonia, but are struck down by plague. Even Marduk, the patron of Babylon, relinquishes his throne to Erra for a time. Tablets II and III are occupied with a debate between Erra and Išum. Erra goes to battle in Babylon, Sippar, Uruk, Dūr-Kurigalzu and Dēr. The world is turned upside down: righteous and unrighteous are killed alike. Erra orders Išum to complete the work by defeating Babylon's enemies. Then the god withdraws to his own seat in Emeslam with the terrifying Seven, and mankind is saved. A propitiatory prayer ends the work.”
>> Let take a look at this story; the notables:
1 – Erra sleeping with his consort = he is married, there is a lady in this story.
2 – The Sebetti = the 7 sons of Heaven and Earth = the 7 Champions without peer. See now why number 7 is important and why I’m trying to get attention to it. We have 7 GRAND figures here.
3 – Anu is equivalent to God, the Heavenly Father and he is the one whom assigned “destructive destinies” to each of the Sebetti.
4 – When the Sebetti are called by Machinist and Sasson (whom works for the Bloodlines) “personified weapons”, what does it mean? What does it really mean? Does it mean the Sebetti had “magnificent weapons”? Or were they top of the notch type of warriors, so incredible, to a point that they became a living weapon themselves? Or is it the combination of both = an incredible warrior wielding a magnificent weapon?
5 – The Sebetti are the ones whom asked Erra to bring destruction on mankind.
6 – Destruction, violence, massacres, plague spreading, invasion etc. were all brought down onto Babylon. Nothing and no-one could stop Erra, just like the “Eye of Ra” when it was unleashed on mankind a slaughter took place.
7 – Even Marduk had to relinquish his throne and leave. Doesn’t this remind anons of how Quetzalcoatl had to give up his throne and was driven out by Tezcatlipoca and his human sacrifice supporters?
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eb58c6 No.13383511
>>13377987
(Please read from the start)
8 – The world is turned UPSIDE DOWN: Just like what the stratigraphy in Big Horn mountains, Wyoming, shows us happened. Here, the text is matching the geological finds.
9 – The “righteous and unrighteous are killed alike”: This is very important because it means no one was spared: Everyone was killed, EVERYONE. Remember how Qteam told us about the 16 years plan? (((They))) were planning to kill everyone, I mean EVERYONE once more. And this includes all the shills in here and all the minions that work for (((them))) along with (((their))) foot soldiers and the operators.
10 – Then for no apparent reason, after ordering his advisor to defeat Babylon’s enemies, Erra along with the Sebetti, retreat to his own seat = going back from where he came from. And mankind was saved.
I hope you are taking notes anons. This is very important information and it’s close to the story of the “Eye of Ra”. In both stories, Both Erra and the “Eye of Ra” were “unleashed” on mankind.
As anons already know I’m following the artifacts and not the texts. So I’m not interested in Nergal because of the information in the Wikipedia page. What led me to him in the first place was his iconography on the artifacts and the information from any encyclopedia just completes what I see on the artifacts. What attracted my attention to Nergal is actually this relief of him – picture attached with this page.
Notice the details of it anons, it’s incredible: He has BROWNISH/RED HAIR (don’t forget about the colors fading with time) and HORNS. There is also a Bird shape sort of crown on his face – as if it’s a statuette put there on top of his head. He is wearing a tunic, at the lower tip of the tunic there is an object hanging from it looking like a small bell (but if it looks like that to us, it doesn’t mean it should be that exactly). He also has some type of bracelet or bangle on both of his wrists. There is embroidery and decoration on his clothing. He is also wearing something around the base of his neck, as if it is a necklace of some type or a choker.
With his right hand he is holding up a battle ax and his left hand rests on his sword’s handle = the sword attached to his waist. With his left hand he is also hold a leash to a dog = either we are looking at 3 dogs, or we have one dog with 3 heads. Unfortunately, we cannot tell which it is because of the dog legs: I only see 2 pairs of legs = a black pair and a brown/reddish one. If they are placed in a row and shown with perspective, then we should have seen a third pair of legs, but we only have 2 pairs. Which opens the possibility of this being a dog with 3 heads. And this dog has a snake for a tail.
This last detail, combined with the presence of 3 heads is making me believe we are seeing the guardian of the gate of the Underworld from Greek mythology = Cerberus – also known as the hound of Hades or the dog of Hell. Anons may wonder how a Sumerian/Akkadian deity along with his “pet” ended up being in the Greek Pantheon under a different name? = via the Hittites.
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170db1 No.13389784
>>13383511
(Please read from the start)
We see Nergarl literally covered or surrounded by snakes/serpents. There is one crossing both his feet by crawling on them. Two of them are coming out from his back around his waist line/belt level. Another one seems to be coming out of the leash upward toward the left shoulder of the deity. We also have 2 snakes coming out from behind her neck, doesn’t this remind anons of the iconography of Sisiutl with the 3 heads?
In front of him there is what we call in archaeology as a “trophy” = it’s usually a mast like object where the weapons of the defeated hang on it. This is a very old practice = accumulate the weapons of the defeated and hang them all on a pole or mast; then either hold the pole to parade with it or put it in a place where everyone can see it. I bet this is going to remind anons of the Roman Military Staffs where each legion has its own and it’s held at the head, like a flag carrier or a symbol or insignia carrier. Well, let me inform anons that the origin of this Roman practice and the origin of the staff itself is extremely old and it comes from Mesopotamia via the Hittites to Europe. On one side of the trophy staff there is also a serpent represented vertically.
Counting from up to down, on the second item on the trophy pole there is a person represented on it. It’s the bust of a man wearing a tunic. Sun rays are coming out from his head and just like Nergal, there are 2 serpents coming out from behind the neck of this person.
In the corner between the trophy pole and the leg of Nergal, a scorpion is represented. But that’s not the only one on the relief. There is a second one depicted on the upper corner, just right beside the left side of the deity’s head. So what do these scorpions mean? One possibility is that the one we see in the upper corner represents the Scorpio constellation. But I don’t think the lower one represents the Scorpio constellation: this lower scorpion represent possibly the poisonous ability of Nergal.
Second possibility is that the Scorpio on the right of Nergal is symbolic like a heraldic sign and is pointing us to his coat of arms or the faction he belongs to. And the same goes for the Scorpion above the sitting lady’s head. It might represent her heraldic sign as in to what clan or faction she belongs.
The chances are 50/50 of both possibilities, unless we fnd an additional clue that pushes in one direction instead of the other.
On the left side of this relief, there is a lady sitting on a throne which has 2 griffins as its legs. On the base of the throne, there are 2 fishes represented facing one another and there is a circle or a button right in the middle of them. She is wearing a long brownish/reddish tunic, as well as shoes of the same color. She is also wearing the same type of necklace at the base of her neck as Nergal, but she is also wearing what looks like a long circular big pendant. She also has black/dark hair and she is wearing a veil, the same color as her dress and shoes.
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6f10b4 No.13396875
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She also has an eagle on her head, as if it was some type of crown or something like that…it’s close to what Nergal has on his head. The lady is holding in her left hand a similar trophy pole as the one next to Nergal. While we can see her right hand close in a fist as if she was holding something in it as well, but there is nothing there.
We see a vertical serpent depicted next to her right side. Directly above the head of this serpent, between the sitting lady’s head and the “bigger” serpent on the left of Nergal, there seem to be some type of rectangle drawn in brownish/reddish lines. The chances are high this might be either an inscription or more likely a stamp from some sort of seal; showing most probably coat of arms. I believe this sitting lady is another deity and non-other than the wife, the spouse of Nergal.
The last detail in this relief is better seen when we examine the black/white version of the photograph. In red, a lion is depicted under the belly of the 3 heads dog, between its legs.
As anons can see, there are a lot of details from all of artifacts representing Nergal that are a perfect match to the Horned Serpent/Sisiutl’s characteristics.
Upon seeing this relief of Nergal = wearing 4 horns on his forehead and him being a god of war associated with Ares from Greek mythology I was reminded of a movie: Wonder Woman – the latest version of the comics. In it, we see Ares wearing the helmet with 4 horns, just like Nergal is and just like it’s the case for the Horned Serpent/ Sisiutl. So let’s check out this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_(2017_film)
“Wonder Woman is a 2017 American superhero film based on the DC Comics character of the same name, produced by DC Films in association with RatPac Entertainment and Chinese company Tencent Pictures, and distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures. It is the fourth installment in the DC Extended Universe (DCEU). Directed by Patty Jenkins from a screenplay by Allan Heinberg, a story by Heinberg, Zack Snyder, and Jason Fuchs, Wonder Woman stars Gal Gadot in the title role, alongside Chris Pine, Robin Wright, Danny Huston, David Thewlis, Connie Nielsen, and Elena Anaya. It is the second live action theatrical film featuring Wonder Woman following her debut in 2016's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. In Wonder Woman, the Amazon princess Diana sets out to stop World War I, believing the conflict was started by the longtime enemy of the Amazons, Ares, after American pilot and spy Steve Trevor crash-lands on their island Themyscira and informs her about it.”
>> LOL! Both the CCP and the Mossad are involved in the production of this movie.
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6f10b4 No.13396889
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“Development of a live-action Wonder Woman film began in 1996, with Ivan Reitman to produce and possibly direct. The project floundered in development hell for many years; Jon Cohen, Todd Alcott, and Joss Whedon, among others, were also attached to the project at various points. Warner Bros. announced the film in 2010 and Jenkins signed on to direct in 2015. Inspiration for Wonder Woman was drawn from Wonder Woman creator William Moulton Marston's 1940s stories and George Pérez's 1980s stories about Wonder Woman, as well as the New 52 incarnation of the character. Principal photography began on November 21, 2015, with filming taking place in the United Kingdom, France, and Italy before finishing on May 6, 2016, the 123rd anniversary of Marston's birth. Additional filming took place in November 2016.”
>> Wow! Wonder Woman was created in 1942. So (((they))) knew about it during WWII. This is rather interesting. The gal is even older than I am. I wonder why did it take (((them))) so long to make the movie = from 1996 to 2010 and additional 5 years to tap a director to it.
“Wonder Woman had its world premiere in Shanghai on May 15, 2017, and was released in the United States on June 2, 2017, in 4DX, RealD 3D, and IMAX 3D by Warner Bros. Pictures. The film received largely positive reviews, with praise for its direction, acting, visuals, action sequences, and musical score. It grossed over $821 million worldwide, making it the tenth highest-grossing film of 2017, as well as the highest-grossing film by a solo female director. The American Film Institute selected it as one of the top ten films of 2017 and it won the Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation in 2018. A sequel, Wonder Woman 1984, was released in December 2020, with Jenkins returning as director, and Gadot, Pine, Wright and Nielsen reprising their roles.”
>> The premiere was in Shanghai. LoL! How much more obvious it could be than this. I don’t know about you anons, but after watching it, I don’t think it’s that great of a movie. I find it tasteless, no substance to it. Just loads of visual effects and computer tricks, even the acting was lame.
“Plot
In present-day Paris, Diana Prince receives a photographic plate from Wayne Enterprises (accompanied by a letter from Bruce Wayne) of herself and four men taken during World War I, prompting her to recall her past. The daughter of Queen Hippolyta, Diana is raised on the hidden island of Themyscira, home to the Amazons, women warriors created by the Olympian gods to protect mankind. Hippolyta explains their history to Diana, including how Ares became jealous of humanity and orchestrated its destruction. When the other gods attempted to stop him, Ares killed all but Zeus, who used the last of his power to wound Ares and force his retreat. Before dying, Zeus left the Amazons a weapon, the "god-killer", to prepare them for Ares's return. Hippolyta reluctantly agrees to let her sister, General Antiope, train Diana as a warrior.”
>> The Notables from the story taken from the movie clip:
1 - “Diana” was made of Clay by queen Hippolyta and Zeus granted her life.
2 – “When TIME was NEW” = when is a TIME NEW = when it’s at the beginning of the kingdom’s foundation or the start of an age/era.
3 – “History was still a dream” = history was not written yet because it was a newly founded kingdom/era.
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6f10b4 No.13396932
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4 – “The gods ruled the Earth – Zeus king among them”: Doesn’t this mean that the gods were kings whom ruled on Earth and Zeus was the king of those kings? Doesn’t this give Zeus the title of King of Kings? Hm! Where did I hear of this before? I heard this from 2 places and one if the Bible of course. The second, I will be talking about it later on in this thread.
5 – “Zeus created being over which the gods would rule, beings born of his image, fair and good, strong and passionate. He called his creation MAN. And mankind was good”: Isn’t this almost identical to how God, our Heavenly Father, created the first man. But in this case, Zeus didn’t create ONE man, but many, all born in his image.. And they were kind and good.
6 – “But Zeus’ son (= Ares, god of war) grew envious of mankind and thought to corrupt his father’s creation”: Doesn’t this sound like Satan? And it’s a member of Zeus’ “FAMILY” that was the villain and evil. We’ve seen this in this thread before, mostly in page 257 where in the different versions of Quetzalcoatl, it’s mostly a “relative” or a member of the King’s family that wants to take the throne. We’ve also seen a reflection of it in the movie Tron: Legacy where the “perfected” version of Flynn = Clue betrays him and takes control. We also have echoes of this in the Epic of Erra where Erra infiltrates Babylon and kicks out Marduk. All are pointing to a coup to seize power from the King. We also see a secret plot among SOME gods, to destroy mankind in the Epic of Gilgamesh. But I want to remind anons that it was never ONE person whom plotted to overthrown the king, but it was a group effort, led by a member of the King’s family = a relative.
7 – “Ares poisoned man’s hearts with jealousy and suspicion, He turned them against one another. And war ravaged the Earth”: This is EXACTLY what nowadays Bloodline did and still are doing = Divide and Conquer strategy and end it in mass slaughter like WWI, WWII and all the wars all over the planet.
8 – “So the gods created us, the Amazones, to influence man’s hearts with love and to restore peace to the Earth. And for a brief time there was peace. But it did not last”: I think this is pointing to the creation of WOMEN. I was surprised to see in the clip the women coming out of the water because it’s exactly how Venus was supposedly created. So women were created to touch men hearts with love. This means A woman, at least, if not many women, was involved.
By the way, from all nationalities, it had to be the French one, Paris and in the Louvre.
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6f10b4 No.13397338
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9 – “The Amazon queen lead a revolt that freed us all from enslavement”: This part feels like it was parachuted down in the story out of nowhere. Why? Well, what enslavement is the Amazon queen talking about? Is she pointing to the feminist movement view that women were enslaved by men? If this is the case, then why the Amazon queen didn’t mention how the men enslaved women? How come she jumped suddenly into the subject of the women being enslaved? Or was she talking in general about all mankind being enslaved by the gods and they rebelled against the gods to free themselves? From the images of the clip, it seems the Amazon women were “supposedly freeing” themselves from men. Again, I think this part is inserted to serve nowadays Bloodline feminist agenda. There is a fracture in the story flow and this is suddenly dropped into it.
10 – “When Zeus led the gods to our defense, Ares killed them, one by one, until only Zeus himself remained”: again this part doesn’t make sense at all on how it started. Does this mean that the gods took the side of the women against the men? = like taking part of a battle of genders or sexes? Or does this mean the gods took the side of mankind against….whom exactly? If the gods were not the ones mankind was rebelling against, freeing themselves from enslavement from….if the gods were helping mankind….then whom mankind was being freed from? Again, this part doesn’t match with the flow of the story and it doesn’t make sense.
But we also know that Ares killed all the members of his family = the other gods, one by one, until only Zeus himself, alone remains. This points to the fact that this was a plot = a plan was conceived and this didn’t happen in a blink. The other gods were taken out one by one, not all at once or else Ares would have been defeated by going ONE against MANY. So it seems like he took them by surprise, one by one, when they weren’t expecting it to happen.
11 – Zeus used what was left of his power to strike Ares a strong blow, wounding him and forcing him to retreat. But….it makes it sound as if Zeus had a battery and it was low on power, doesn’t it? It’s as if he needed to recharge his strength and power, he was out of juice. How can a god that has infinite power be out of power? I think this is pointing to the weapons used by the gods = maybe the ones that used to emit laser beams or electrical blasts….just like what the Staff-God and the ThunderBirds are holding.
12 – “But Zeus knew that one day Ares might return to finish his mission: an endless war, where mankind will finally destroy themselves”: well, I don’t know about you anons, but this surely is identical to what happened between God and Satan and how God knew and still knows that the Evil want to return….at least he is trying to.
13 – “So Zeus left us a weapon. One powerful enough to kill a god” = “the god killer, the weapon that is strong enough to kill a god” = in the movie we were made to think at the beginning of it that the god killer is the sword. At the end, we find out that the god killer is none other than Diana = Wonder Woman, herself because only a god can kill a god. As in only a person whom has the blood of a god within him/her can kill another person like him/her. Interesting idea! I wonder from where the creator of Wonder Woman got it from.
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6f10b4 No.13397351
>>13397338
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14 – “With his dying breath, Zeus created this island, to hide us from the outside world, somewhere Ares could not find us”: After hearing this part…. I cannot help but wonder if the life on Earth is not this “island” mentioned in Hippolyta’s story. It makes me wonder if the “portal” is closed on purpose in order to protect us from Satan/Evil. And not as we think that it’s to keep him in prison. Once that portal opens, will he ravage the Earth and make it a pool of blood?
15 – “The gods gave us many gifts. One day you will know them all. This great tower is where we keep them”: Ahhh! Finally the TOWER is mentioned. Good. Take note, because we will be talking about THIS TOWER later on.
I would like to attract anons attention to the helmet like thingy the Amazons all wear, as seen in the picture I’ve attached to this page. It’s like a head band worn on the forehead and parts of it extend to cover the cheeks – up to some point. So compare it with what Nergal is wearing: is it similar to the Amazon’s helmet but his has horns on it? I think it’s possible but I’m not a 100 % sure about it though.
“In 1918, Diana, now a young woman, rescues US pilot Captain Steve Trevor when his plane crashes off the Themysciran coast. The island is soon invaded by German soldiers, who had been pursuing Steve. The Amazons kill the crew, but Antiope sacrifices herself to save Diana. Steve is interrogated with the Lasso of Hestia and reveals that a great war is consuming the outside world and that he is an Allied spy. He has stolen a notebook from the Germans' chief chemist, Dr. Isabel Maru, who is attempting to engineer a deadlier form of mustard gas under the orders of General Erich Ludendorff. Believing Ares to be responsible for the war, Diana arms herself with the "god-killer" sword, the lasso, and armor before leaving Themyscira with Steve to locate and stop Ares for good.”
>> Anons, check out what is written about the Lasso of Hestia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lasso_of_Truth
“In London, they deliver Maru's notebook to the Supreme War Council, where Sir Patrick Morgan is trying to negotiate an armistice with Germany. Diana translates Maru's notes, revealing that the Germans plan to release the deadly gas at the Western Front. Although forbidden by his commander to act, Steve, with secret funding from Morgan, recruits Moroccan spy Sameer, Scottish marksman Charlie, and Native American smuggler Chief Napi to help prevent the gas from being released. The team reaches the front in Belgium. Diana goes alone through No Man's Land and captures the enemy trench, liberating the nearby village of Veld with the aid of the Allied forces. The team briefly celebrates, taking a photograph in the village, where Diana and Steve fall in love.”
>> You think the family name of Morgan was given by coincidence to the person whom turns out to be Ares at the end of the movie? Infiltration instead of Invasion = it’s the tactic used by Ares to infiltrate both warring parties and have them fight one another till all is destroyed = fueling both sides of the war = exactly how the Bloodlines played it for centuries.
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6f10b4 No.13398449
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“The team learns that a gala will be held at the nearby German High Command. Steve and Diana separately infiltrate the party; Steve intends to locate the gas and destroy it, and Diana hopes to kill Ludendorff, believing that he is Ares. Steve stops her to avoid jeopardizing his mission, but this allows Ludendorff to unleash the gas on Veld, killing its inhabitants. Blaming Steve for intervening, Diana pursues Ludendorff to a base where the gas is being loaded into a bomber aircraft bound for London. Diana fights and kills him, but is confused and disillusioned when his death does not stop the war.
Sir Patrick appears and reveals himself as Ares. He tells Diana that although he has subtly given humans ideas and inspirations, it is ultimately their decision to resort to violence, as they are inherently corrupt. When Diana attempts to kill Ares with the "god-killer" sword, he destroys it, telling Diana that as the daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta she herself is the "god-killer". He fails to persuade Diana to help him destroy mankind in order to restore paradise on Earth. While the two battle, Steve's team destroys Maru's laboratory. Steve hijacks and pilots the bomber carrying the poison to a safe altitude and detonates it, blowing up the plane and himself. Ares attempts to direct Diana's rage and grief at Steve's death by convincing her to kill Maru, but the memories of her experiences with Steve cause her to realize that humans have good within them. She spares Maru and redirects Ares's lightning into him, killing him for good. Later, the team celebrates the end of the war.”
>> So Ares tried to manipulate Diana’s feelings and make her take his side. Isn’t that what the Bloodlines do? (((They))) manipulate our feelings in various ways and methods and (((they))) do it for different reasons, but mainly to take us where (((they))) want us to go = serving (((their))) goals. And Diana remembered that mankind has GOOD in it. I love the part where it’s said that she directs Ares’ lightning into him, killing him with it = I think it’s pointing to that weapon’s ability to strike lightning; but I’m unsure if it’s pointing to the gauntlet blaster or the staff weapon. It’s amazing when Ares made the first electrical charge look like a spear…from afar, it does look like a Staff, doesn’t it?
“In the present day, Diana sends an email to Bruce Wayne thanking him for the photographic plate of her and Steve. She continues to fight on the world's behalf as Wonder Woman, understanding that only love can truly save the world.”
>> I’m skipping the unnecessary parts. The following part caught my attention.
“[…]
Cultural impact
[…]
Gloria Steinem also liked the film, stating that she felt it made the "Amazon origin story clear; [Wonder Woman] was stopping war, not perpetuating it." […] Steinem also gave Hillary Clinton the first Wonder Woman Award in October 2017 during the Women's Media Center's "Speaking Truth to Power Awards" (an organization created by Steinem, Jane Fonda, and Robin Morgan). Upon receiving the award, Clinton noted that she had seen Jenkins's Wonder Woman film and that she "loved the outfit". She also said that as her granddaughter was "really keen" on Wonder Woman, Clinton "thought maybe I could borrow something from her for the night. It didn't quite work for me, but I will say that this award means a lot to me because as a little girl, and then as a young woman, and then as a slightly older woman, I always wondered when Wonder Woman would have her time, and now that has happened." Clinton had previously praised Jenkins's film, in a public August 2017 message, stating that "it was just as inspirational as I'd suspected a movie about a strong, powerful woman in a fight to save the world from international disaster would be.”
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6f10b4 No.13398509
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>> At least now I understand why Wonder Woman’s first name is Diana. Killary lost an election and she got a big boo boo out of it. So, in order to make her feel better let’s give her the first Wonder Woman award….isn’t this projection? Is she trying to say she is the “supposed” CHOSEN ONE that will “FREE” the world? Is she trying to say she was supposed to be Wonder Woman = the ONE? Is this mirroring a hidden secret about Killary’s ancestry? And how old was her granddaughter back in 2017?
I’m putting some pictures from the movie for the details:
The arm plates caught my attention, but I’m uncertain of their importance because I don’t know the superhero character well.
Her band helmet has a star on it: Is this the polar star or is it the morning star? Or is it Sirius? What does it represent? Maybe a Light BEAM?
In this scene, she manipulates electricity. So I’m wondering, is this how things were back then? Or is it just all some type of imagination scene for the movie? It’s also notable that BOTH sides = good and evil, used electricity as a weapon.
What mostly caught my attention was the Eagle symbol she has on her armor. In the story, Diana is the daughter of Zeus, and the Eagle is a symbol of the king of gods. So I guess it’s normal for the daughter to wear an armor with her father’s symbol on it since she represents the same side as him = she is from the same faction/ clan as her father. But in doing so, this also reminds me of the ThunderBirds with their electrical ability. When I look at the overall image, it’s like the Eagle = ThunderBird is fighting the Horned Serpent = in this movie Diana (= ThunderBird) fights Ares wearing a Horned Helmet ( = like the ones of the Horned Serpent/Sisiutl). A lot said here without using words.
Lastly, in the picture’s I’ve put of Ares wearing his armor in previous pages, take a close look at the scales around his waist area.
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f0c5cd No.13402499
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Well, it seems just a few months ago a sequel of the 2017 movie was released. I’ve read what is in the Wikipedia page, nothing caught my attention, so I’m only putting the links for anons to read themselves if they are interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_1984
I’m putting the trailer for anons because there is an incredible thing in this movie: Wonder Woman is wearing a ThunderBird’s armor.
Seeing it this way is mind boggling for me. I mean look at the metallic feathers and how they fold back or open. She also takes the wings off at the end of the trailer.
So let’s take a look at it, I think it’s important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis
“The aegis (Ancient Greek: αἰγίς aigis), as stated in the Iliad, is a device carried by Athena and Zeus, variously interpreted as an animal skin or a shield and sometimes featuring the head of a Gorgon. There may be a connection with a deity named Aex or Aix, a daughter of Helios and a nurse of Zeus or alternatively a mistress of Zeus (Hyginus, Astronomica 2. 13). The aegis of Athena is referred to in several places in The Iliad. "It produced a sound as from a myriad roaring dragons (Iliad, 4.17) and was borne by Athena in battle … and among them went bright-eyed Athene, holding the precious aegis which is ageless and immortal: a hundred tassels of pure gold hang fluttering from it, tight-woven each of them, and each the worth of a hundred oxen."
The modern concept of doing something "under someone's aegis" means doing something under the protection of a powerful, knowledgeable, or benevolent source. The word aegis is identified with protection by a strong force with its roots in Greek mythology and adopted by the Romans; there are parallels in Norse mythology and in Egyptian mythology as well, where the Greek word aegis is applied by extension.
In Greek mythology
Virgil imagines the Cyclopes in Hephaestus' forge, who "busily burnished the aegis Athena wears in her angry moods—a fearsome thing with a surface of gold like scaly snake-skin, and the linked serpents and the Gorgon herself upon the goddess's breast—a severed head rolling its eyes", furnished with golden tassels and bearing the Gorgoneion (Medusa's head) in the central boss. Some of the Attic vase-painters retained an archaic tradition that the tassels had originally been serpents in their representations of the aegis. When the Olympian deities overtook the older deities of Greece and she was born of Metis (inside Zeus who had swallowed the goddess) and "re-born" through the head of Zeus fully clothed, Athena already wore her typical garments.”
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f0c5cd No.13402536
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>> Anons this is how Virgil IMAGINED things to be and how he interpreted things. We have 2 descriptions of the Aegis from Ancient Greek myths: 1 – Saying it’s a Dragon/Serpent skin with scales. 2 – It’s a goat skin.
The Gorgon head was added later on, after Perseus decapitated Medusa (the only mortal Gorgon) and used her petrification power to kill the Kraken and free princess Andromeda – because only Medusa can kill the Kraken. After rescuing the princess, Perseus gave the severed head of the Gorgon to Athena as a thanking gift for her patronage and protection during his “adventure”. Now here we have 2 versions of what Athena did to Aegis: 1 – She placed it on her shield in order to petrify the enemy when they look at it. 2 – She placed it on the Aegis (some say on the belt, while the most common is on the chest) in order to petrify anyone whom attacks her.
“When the Olympian shakes the aegis, Mount Ida is wrapped in clouds, the thunder rolls and men are struck down with fear. "Aegis-bearing Zeus", as he is in the Iliad, sometimes lends the fearsome aegis to Athena. In the Iliad when Zeus sends Apollo to revive the wounded Hector, Apollo, holding the aegis, charges the Achaeans, pushing them back to their ships drawn up on the shore. According to Edith Hamilton's Mythology: Timeless Tales of Gods and Heroes, the Aegis is the breastplate of Zeus, and was "awful to behold". However, Zeus is normally portrayed in classical sculpture holding a thunderbolt or lightning, bearing neither a shield nor a breastplate.”
>> Doesn’t the first sentence in this paragraph reminds you of what was said about the ThunderBirds and the sounds they made and how they shook the ground? = I talked about breaking the sound barrier before. It’s true that the Aegis belonged originally to Zeus, but he was mostly depicted in the classical way described in this paragraph. The Aegis was worn only by 2 gods = only the king Zeus and his heir Athena ever wore it; giving you the impression it’s a privilege. But the Aegis itself was always associated with Athena, just like the owl is. It’s one of her symbols, and the most recognized myth of her birth is when she came out from her father’s cracked skull fully armed and wearing the Aegis. Her classical, stereotyped representation is when she is wearing the Aegis. She is also represented wearing a long tunic sometime. All of these are interpretations made by later, much later generations.
“In classical poetry and art
Classical Greece interpreted the Homeric aegis usually as a cover of some kind borne by Athena. It was supposed by Euripides (Ion, 995) that the aegis borne by Athena was the skin of the slain Gorgon, yet the usual understanding is that the Gorgoneion was added to the aegis, a votive offering from a grateful Perseus.”
>> Yes, this is the classical, standard understanding as I have explained earlier on to anons. This is also my belief because it is mostly thought that the Aegis is a goat’s skin.
But what is interesting is this Greek pottery I’m attaching the picture of to this page where Perseus, Athena and Medusa are represented. Medusa is already decapitated, her severed head is in Perseus satchel. Athena, standing behind the decapitated Medusa, holding her spear, is wearing the Aegis….but look closely anons…..there is no Medusa head at the center of the Aegis like the standard representation of the Hellenic goddess. Because Perseus has to kill the Kraken first via petrification, save Andromeda then give Medusa’s decapitated head to Athena.
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5c515d No.13408599
>>13402536
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But what is the most notable part in this pottery painting is Medusa’s WINGS. And if it’s true that her skin was like an armor and impenetrable, than….was Medusa a warrior wearing an armor with snakes on it? Like the Horned Serpen, Sisiutl, Ningishzida, Nergal, Ninurta and Ningirsu? Didn’t Sisiutl and the Horned Serpent also petrify their “victims” by sight or touch just like Medusa is famous for doing? Everything is point us in this direction, but I rather postpone the Greek chapter for now till I reach Europe. And I want to point out that it’s not the first time we see warrior ladies wearing a fighting jet suit….we’ve seen it before in Ometepe, Nicaragua, page 660, so the reader shouldn’t be surprised to find out there were women warriors wearing this Jet Suit armor.
“In a similar interpretation, Aex, a daughter of Helios, represented as a great fire-breathing chthonic serpent similar to the Chimera, was slain and flayed by Athena, who afterwards wore its skin, the aegis, as a cuirass (Diodorus Siculus iii. 70), or as a chlamys. The Douris cup shows that the aegis was represented exactly as the skin of the great serpent, with its scales clearly delineated.”
>> I don’t think it matters if it’s Medusa or Aex because both have serpent characteristics and attributes. Seems both were wearing a Horned Serpent armor.
“John Tzetzes says that aegis was the skin of the monstrous giant Pallas whom Athena overcame and whose name she attached to her own.
In a late rendering by Gaius Julius Hyginus (Poetical Astronomy ii. 13), Zeus is said to have used the skin of a pet goat owned by his nurse Amalthea (aigis "goat-skin") which suckled him in Crete, as a shield when he went forth to do battle against the Titans.”
>> Yes, in the Titanomachy Zeus used the Aegis.
“The aegis appears in works of art sometimes as an animal's skin thrown over Athena's shoulders and arms, occasionally with a border of snakes, usually also bearing the Gorgon head, the gorgoneion. In some pottery it appears as a tasselled cover over Athena's dress. It is sometimes represented on the statues of Roman emperors, heroes, and warriors, and on cameos and vases. A vestige of that appears in a portrait of Alexander the Great in a fresco from Pompeii dated to the first century BC, which shows the image of the head of a woman on his armor that resembles the Gorgon.”
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5c515d No.13408621
>>13408599
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“Origins
Herodotus thought he had identified the source of the ægis in ancient Libya, which was always a distant territory of ancient magic for the Greeks. "Athene's garments and ægis were borrowed by the Greeks from the Libyan women, who are dressed in exactly the same way, except that their leather garments are fringed with thongs, not serpents."
>> I don’t think Herodotus was far from the truth because, just like the ThunderBirds warriors are found in many places worldwide, so were the Horned Serpent warriors. So if Herodotus said he saw similarities in Libya with the Aegis, there MIGHT have been a “fallen” Horned Serpent” living in the area long ago and the later generation forgot the meaning of it all and kept only the frightening image of it.
“Robert Graves in The Greek Myths (1955) asserts that the ægis in its Libyan sense had been a shamanic pouch containing various ritual objects, bearing the device of a monstrous serpent-haired visage with tusk-like teeth and a protruding tongue which was meant to frighten away the uninitiated. In this context, Graves identifies the aegis as clearly belonging first to Athena.”
>> I think this is not very correct because it’s common knowledge Zeus had the Aegis first, but it was mostly worn by his heir = Athena.
“One current interpretation is that the Hittite sacral hieratic hunting bag (kursas), a rough and shaggy goatskin that has been firmly established in literary texts and iconography by H.G. Güterbock, was a source of the aegis.”
>> The chances are high this is correct because after the Hittites Empire stopped existing, there were MANY MIGRATION WAVES from Asia Minor = Anatolia = Hittite Empire to Europe. We know for sure that they had huge impact and shaped the Greek culture and they are suspected to have been the origins of the Etruscans and the Germanic as well as Frank Tribes. So the chances are high that the “idea” of the Aegis being a goat skin came from there since the Hittite culture and beliefs formed the core of the New Born Greek Culture.
“Etymology
The Greek αἰγίς aigis, has many meanings including:
1. "violent windstorm", from the verb ἀίσσω aïssō (word stem ἀιγ- aïg-) = "I rush or move violently". Akin to καταιγίς kataigis, "thunderstorm".
2. The shield of a deity as described above.
3. "goatskin coat", from treating the word as meaning "something grammatically feminine pertaining to goat": Greek αἴξ aix (stem αἰγ- aig-) = "goat", + suffix -ίς -is (stem -ίδ- -id).
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d8529e No.13409145
Can we get some views and Love over to JeffMAC for the Chauvin Trial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zWIHWGYm4
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d8529e No.13409175
>>13409145
This "doctor" is a Total Drama Queen. He really wanted to be a Thespian but forced to Med School?
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f9cd70 No.13409561
>>13408621
(Please read from the start)
The original meaning may have been the first, and Ζεὺς Αἰγίοχος Zeus Aigiokhos = "Zeus who holds the aegis" may have originally meant "Sky/Heaven, who holds the thunderstorm". The transition to the meaning "shield" or "goatskin" may have come by folk etymology among a people familiar with draping an animal skin over the left arm as a shield.”
>> Oh! I do love this section. I don’t insist on Etymology for nothing. This is a perfect match with what we read about the ThunderBirds. Please go back and re-read and compare (starting page 737). It’s a perfect fit = they are identical.
I hope anons realize that this solves the riddle of why we have the same Thunder/sky deity everywhere on the planet = in almost every culture. It’s because we didn’t have one ThunderBird but MANY. These were extraordinary warriors, wearing all the same Eagle like armor with wings holding special Thunder striking weapons. They used to have some sort of barracks or fortress in the sky. This explains why so many of them survived worldwide, along with the fact that they could fly away from the cataclysm = they were not ground bound. This is how you have the ThunderBirds, Thor, Viracocha, Baal, Zeus, Jupiter etc…. These were not ONE person, these were many warriors belonging to the same faction, to the same squadron.
The same goes for the Horned Serpent: It’s the same reason why we have so many stories and myths of Snakes and Serpents close to the Creation myths. But these are the bad guys, not the good guys. They also wore an armor shaped like a Serpent/Snake/Reptile. They also belong to a squadron and since they ALSO had “wings” most escaped the cataclysm just like how the ThunderBirds did = flying away. And just like the ThunderBirds, they were scattered worldwide and even fought with the ThunderBirds when they met after the cataclysm.
I will be talking about this again when I reach it, but for now, just think about this and verify everything yourselves.
As for the goat skin explanation for the Aegis, anons, this is much later on in chronology and the knowledge of the origins of the Aegis must have mutated or changed with later generations. Yes, this is what is commonly known, it’s the standard explanation. It’s the classical explanation that even I follow when I’m working on the Classical period. But after WAKING UP, I know that the Aegis is none other than the ThunderBirds Jet Suit Armor owned initially by Zeus, and then passed on to Athena.
I’ve also been thinking a lot about what I call all of these items and I’ve decided to use the following from now on, instead of always repeating: Birds of prey flying gear or Jet suit armor etc.
To make it clear to the reader, from now on each time I say:
- ThunderBirds (armor or suit) = Birds of Prey gear/armor/jet suit = worn by the good guys/warriors. When I talk about them in their original context I will say the Native American ThunderBirds, this way anons would know I will be talked about the Native American Birds and myths.
- Horned Serpent (armor or suit) = Serpent like gear, armor = worn by the bad guys/warriors. When I talk about them in their original context I will say the Native American Horned Serpents, this way anons would know I will be talked about the Native American Snakes and myths.
- Sharur = I’m thinking of calling that special electrical weapon the ThunderBirds use by its Mesopotamian original name.
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f9cd70 No.13409770
>>13409561
(Please read from the start)
I hope this will make it easier for everyone reading, mostly the anons following what I write from the start. Now, when I say those words, the reader will know what I’m referring to. I think it’s more practical this way and I can use this to universalize the language and point out this or that faction wherever they are on the planet without mixing or confusing things.
I also hope anons understand now why Wonder Woman wears the Aegis in the sequel. This explains why the body suit = the Aegis, under the armor plates is shaped like scales and how it got into the movie since Diana is supposed to be the daughter of Hippolyta and Zeus = inspiration from Greek mythology.
I would like to ask anons next to examine carefully the wings Wonder Woman has in this movie: pay specific attention to how the feathers are layered out and displayed. This is identical to how Birds of prey = as in the Falcon and Eagle has, right? It’s also identical to what the Anunnaki wear and how the ThunderBirds worldwide are represented. It’s interesting isn’t it?
Pay extra attention to that helmet of Wonder Woman: from tip to the neck. Remember Nergal had this choker type of necklace he was wearing in the relief? What do you think anons? Does it match? It’s close enough.
Also Wonder Woman’s helmet is shaped like that of an Eagle = animal (remember the eagle is Zeus’ symbol). From afar, with her wings open like that, she really does look like an Eagle, mostly with the beak and the wings shaped out like protective cheek plates. Another interesting thing about this helmet is the cotte of maille worn under it, like a secondary thin protective flexible layer under the hard surface of the helmet – reminding me of Native American artifact in page 779. Upon looking at how her hair flows in the back, I understand better why the hair of Nergal, Ningishzida and the others like them are braided under the helmet = it’s more practical and functional than having the hair float around while you are flying.
What I disagree with is how this helmet is shaped from the front: I don’t think it was open like this. I think it had some type of transparent layer: like what we see motorcycle riders wear on the front of their helmet and how they can pull it upwards or lower it. I know it’s not made of glass, I think it is some type of plastic mix stuff, but it’s the same idea = concept behind a car’s windshield.
The reason for it is obvious = it’s a wind shield. It’s normal to have one when you are driving because with speed, the wings blows into your face and it’s hard to look straight at the road when you are driving with the wind blowing like that. It also prevents “other stuff” from smashing into your face like flying insects or tree leaves or flying newspapers….it will also shield the face from the rain. Even Iron Man has to shield up his face when he is flying or battling.
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e648a7 No.13415346
>>13409770
(Please read from the start)
Our ThunderBird armor’s place is in the sky. So how fast can these things fly? We’ve already read about the Native American ThunderBirds (starting page 737) breaking the sound barrier. So imagine the amount of wind (and other stuff) a warrior gets on his face if he is wearing an armor without a face shield? This is the only detail that was changed in this movie. Done on purpose for us to see the “supposed beauty” of the actress = marketing strategy.
I think the ThunderBird armor had some type of face shield to shelter from wind and other unwanted things slamming onto the face while flying, including at the speed of sound. I think the ThunderBirds helmet was entirely covered, closed from the front, like what we see in the movie StarGate (page 205). Apart the Alien section, I keep on wondering how close was that movie to the truth? I’m also wondering if the helmet didn’t retract like what we see happen in StarGate because of the choker thing like we see both Wonder Woman and Nergal wear. Loads to think about here.
Nergal’s relief is not the only artifact representing him that caught my attention. The next one is terribly puzzling, mysterious and intriguing. It’s made of Bronze and found in Susa’s Acropolis, supposedly dating back to 1600 B.C. It’s incredible, but this artifact represents Nergal with pointy ears, holding his Sharur in his right hand and he is actually sitting on some type of transportation unit. A lot of people in the Main Stream History interpret this as Nergal sitting in his divine chariot.
Is it a real chariot with wheels pulled by horses, or is it a flying chariot like the ones we see the Anunnaki use? I don’t know and I rather not speculate about it because it’s obvious this artifact is incomplete. Either there is a part not discovered yet, or it deteriorated = worn out with time = damaged. What is clear is that Nergal is clearly sitting on a seat as if he was in some type of transportation unit. I have no clue what those long cylindrical things are right in front of him but for some strange reason, this is reminding me of Pakal’s sarcophagus lid (starting page 251). From the sitting position Nergal is depicted in, to the objects in front of him, it’s all reminding me of the iconography of Pakal’s sarcophagus lid. Maybe it’s overstretched from my part, I don’t know. Well, I will leave anons to make up their minds about it.
This is not the first time we see such bronze statuette in this thread. If anons remember well, when I was examining Gudea’s libation vase (starting page 690), while talking about the deity called Ningishzida (a.k.a. the Horned Serpent), I posted a picture in page 694 where Ningishzida is represented seated with that cylindrical object in front of him = bronze statuette. If anons look closely, it’s the exact same stereotyped statuettes. Does this mean each “rider” represent a different deity? Does this mean they all had the same type of transportation unit? = seems like it. And this means, there were more than one of these Evil Horned Serpent armor warriors, all wearing the same armor and all having the same gear and all using the same type of transportation unit. Doesn’t this make it look like an organized army?
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e648a7 No.13415384
>>13415346
(Please read from the start)
By the way, the Bronze Statuette of Nergal is in the Louvre Museum, while the little collection of Bronze Statuette of Ningishzida is at the British Museum. Interesting, isn’t it? (((They))) know what these statuettes represent, or should I say whom they represent. This reinforces my belief that (((they))) are collectors, hording artifacts belonging to (((their))) past and (((their))) ancestors.
I’m done with Nergal, I think this should have covered everything concerning him. But I’m not done with Mesopotamia. I know this is taking long, but I think it’s worth it.
While searching for artifacts with Nergal represented on them in Mesopotamias, I also found 3 artifacts from Elam – modern day Iran. Just want to ask anons to remember whom excavated in Elam and whom was interested in it.
The first artifact is this beautiful Bronze helmet. On it, 3 people are represented: the central one is a bearded male holding a chalice and wearing a tunic resembling scales, possibly also having a cape. He’s got braided hair and he is also wearing the traditional Mesopotamian horned crown.
On each side of him, there are, what seems to be females (possible) standing, also whom are joining their hands in a prayer gesture. They are also wearing long tunics but from different fabric than the central person. Their hair is also braided and they are also wearing the traditional Mesopotamian horned crown, but they added a veil.
What interests me is the Eagle flying above them. It’s as if he is protecting them. Don’t forget anons, this a warrior’s helmet, used by soldiers, even probably during battle. So this reminds me of what I said about the Birds of Prey gear having a military function with a religious connotation to it. So here again, it’s the same. It’s like the gods and priests are giving their blessings and prayers to this helmet = asking for divine protection, represented with the Eagle flying over and protecting everyone with his open wings.
The second artifact from Elam is mysterious. Sorry, I couldn’t find better pictures. It is thought to be a statuette of a seated woman. But, she’s got strange hands, feet and horns = they are all the same. Some call her the Scorpion goddess because of their shape like scorpion claws. Is this really a goddess or is she a member from the scorpion clan/faction?
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e648a7 No.13415436
>>13415384
(Please read from the start)
The last Elamite artifact is absolutely fascinating. It’s a person with a tunic wrapped around his waist kneeling on his right knee. He’s hair seems braided and seems to be held backwards by something drawn on his forehead. There are 2 lines on his neck indicating he was wearing some type of choker necklace or something similar – also seen on Nergal relief.
If anons look closely there is something on his cheek: There is something on it. Is this a beard? Or are these something else? Like maybe helmet cheek plates? But if this is the case, where is the helmet? If we combine the detail work from the forehead and the cheek, it does look like he’s got a helmet on his head? But…that is one strange helmet…could it be made of cotte de maille? Like what we see in this Viking helmet in the last picture I’ve attached with this page. Or maybe it’s not that strange…if anons remember the designs of the helmets worn by the Amazone Queen (page 796) and by Wonder Woman = look at forehead and cheek plates; it’s identical, including the cotte de maille (page 804).
It’s not that clear, but there seem to be something on both his wrists, some type of bracelets. It’s barely noticeable. He is holding both of his hands in front of him – extending them in front of him. It’s clear we are dealing with a ThunderBirds gear here anons. There are 2 fascinating details about it:
1 – The Wings: look closely anons, the wings don’t come out from the back but actually from the upper arm. They come out on the length of the upper arm = from shoulder till elbow.
2 – The hands and legs of our winged person are shaped like those of a Bird’s of prey. As if this is not fascinating enough of itself, look closely what is barely noticeable on both palms: there is some sort of dot or circle. I’m saying it again: it’s not that visible, you must look at it closely and from many angles but it’s there. I bet if I put my finger there, I will feel it more than I will see it. It’s clear this statuette has suffered from wear as we can see the details are fading out. So this might be inconclusive. But there might be something on that palm anons. We might argue and say it’s because of the shape of the talons and the sculptor had no artistic and practical choice but to make it this way. Yeah, maybe. But from now on, I will be keeping a look at those palms because they might be direct evidence of what I found out about the Hamsa being the villain’s armor gauntlet blaster.
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dfcc55 No.13423085
>>13415436
(Please read from the start)
I don’t know about you anons, but whenever I think or find something in Mesopotamia, I cannot help myself and make the links with Ancient Egypt. It’s like my mind automatically switches there and tries to find the common points and I always end up finding many. This time around is no exception: as I was looking at the artifacts from Mesopotamia, it kept on reminding me of Ancient Egypt. And this is where we are heading next.
In Ancient Egypt there are not ONE but TWO myths that remind me a lot of this battle between the ThunderBirds = good and the Horned Serpent = evil.
We’ve already seen the first one in the myth of Ra (Bird of Prey head) battling Apep (we read about Apep in page 76). The great cosmic snake was viewed as the “greatest enemy of Ra” and the “Lord of Chaos, “Eater of Souls and “Lord of the Underworld”. He also had the title of Evil Dragon and was sometimes depicted as a crocodile (reptile) = perfect match with the description of the Horned Serpent from the Native American myths and legends. It is believed that Apep is born either out of Chaos itself (= out of nowhere like a primordial force) or from the umbilical cord from Ra’s own birth. It is also believed that Apep was trapped by Ra and imprisoned in the Underworld after he dethroned him for his cruel rule. The act of battling Ra also shows us that Apep was a warrior, an evil combatant though. I don’t know about you anons, but I find a perfect match with Ningishzida, Ninurta and Nergal.
While Ra was a solar deity and the bringer of Light. He was also considered the one whom upholds the law, truth, justice, morality, balance, harmony and order. Doesn’t this sound like he is a policeman? And isn’t this a perfect match of what we read about the Thunderbirds from the Native American myths and legends (starting page 737)? They were the guardians, the preservers of peace and the defender of the truth and justice, protecting mankind and establishing order. But when battling Apep, Ra wasn’t alone, he had other “warriors” along with him like Seth and maybe the “Eye of Ra”. The battle between Seth and Apep used to make Thunder sounds and modern day “experts” think this myth was used by Ancient Egyptians to explain how Thunder and Lightning were made. But we know better in this thread, don’t we anons? We know, thanks to the Native American myth of the ThunderBirds, that these were made while flying = ThunderBird breaking the sound barrier. While the Lightning came from their use of the Sharur weapon.
In a “variation” of the myth about the battle, Seth joins Ra on his flying barque and with his “fire lance/spear” repeals Apep; it’s then that Ra, in the shape of a BIG CAT kills the Great Serpent with his blade. I’ve already talked about all of the details, like what the weapons could be, so I’m not going to repeat. But now anons understand what all of these things are.
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752e68 No.13424757
>>13423085
(Please read from the start)
In this version of the myth, we have a new deity = Seth, helping Ra in his battle with Apep. So let’s check him out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(deity)
“Set /sɛt/ (Egyptological: Sutekh - swtẖ ~ stẖ) or (Greek: Seth /sɛθ/) is a god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion. In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Sēth (Σήθ). Set had a positive role where he accompanies Ra on his barque to repel Apep, the serpent of Chaos. Set had a vital role as a reconciled combatant. He was lord of the red (desert) land, where he was the balance to Horus' role as lord of the black (soil) land.”
>> Seth was mostly known as the god of disorder. The Red Sand in Ancient Egypt represent infertile soil while the Black Sand represented fertile soil. This was due to the silt of the Nile (= limon du Nil).
“In the Osiris myth, the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portrayed as the usurper who killed and mutilated his own brother, Osiris. Osiris's wife, Isis, reassembled his corpse and resurrected her dead husband long enough to conceive his son and heir, Horus. Horus sought revenge upon Set and the myths describe their conflicts.
In ancient Egyptian astronomy, Set was commonly associated with the planet Mercury.
Since he is related to the west of Nile which is the desert, he is sometimes associated with a lesser deity Ha, god of the desert which is a deity of a man with a desert determinative on the head.
Family
Set is the son of Geb, the Earth, and Nut, the Sky; his siblings are Osiris, Isis, and Nephthys. He married Nephthys and fathered Anubis and in some accounts, he had relationships with the foreign goddesses Anat and Astarte. From these relationships is said to be born a crocodile deity called Maga.”
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752e68 No.13424838
>>13424757
(Please read from the start)
“Origin
The meaning of the name Set is unknown but it is thought to have been originally pronounced *sūtiẖ [ˈsuw.tixʲ] based on spellings of his name in Egyptian hieroglyphs as stẖ and swtẖ. The Late Egyptian spelling stš reflects the palatalization of ẖ while the eventual loss of the final consonant is recorded in spellings like swtj. The Coptic form of the name, ⲥⲏⲧ Sēt, is the basis for the English vocalization.”
>> This is very interesting! So we don’t know the origin of the name Seth and it has mutated from its old form till its Greek form, the one we are using nowadays.
“Set animal
In art, Set is usually depicted as an enigmatic creature referred to by Egyptologists as the Set animal, a beast resembling no known creature, although it could be seen as a composite of an aardvark, a donkey, a jackal, or a fennec fox. The animal has a curved snout, long rectangular ears, a thin forked tail and canine body, with sprouted fur tufts in an inverted arrow shape; sometimes, Set is depicted as a human with the distinctive head. Some early Egyptologists proposed that it was a stylised representation of the giraffe, owing to the large flat-topped "horns" which correspond to a giraffe's ossicones. The Egyptians themselves, however, made a distinction between the giraffe and the Set animal. During the Late Period, Set is depicted as a donkey or as having a donkey's head.
The earliest representations of what might be the Set animal comes from a tomb dating to the Amratian culture ("Naqada I") of prehistoric Egypt (3790–3500 BCE), though this identification is uncertain. If these are ruled out, then the earliest Set animal appears on a ceremonial macehead of Scorpion II, a ruler of the Naqada III phase. The head and the forked tail of the Set animal are clearly present.
In the Book of the Faiyum, he is depicted with a flamingo head.”
>> The identification of Seth’s animal form has been one of the biggest mysteries ever in the world of archaeology, an unsolved mystery. Nobody ever had or still do not have any idea what type of animal we are dealing with here. And I’m like most of my colleagues, I think Seth is made of various animal parts = composite creature. If I hadn’t read about the Underwater Panther more commonly known as Mishipeshu (starting page 748), I would have thought Seth was the only “composite creature”. But it turns out that he shares this “attribute” = being composed of different animal parts with Mishipeshu. This is getting interesting.
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e6dfd4 No.13430328
>>13424838
(Please read from the start)
Let’s have a quick look at the Scorpion Macehead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_Macehead
“The Scorpion macehead (also known as the Major Scorpion macehead) is a decorated ancient Egyptian macehead found by British archeologists James E. Quibell and Frederick W. Green in what they called the main deposit in the temple of Horus at Hierakonpolis during the dig season of 1897–1898. It measures 25 centimeters long, is made of limestone, is pear-shaped, and is attributed to the pharaoh Scorpion (c. 3200–3000 BCE) due to the glyph of a scorpion engraved close to the image of a king wearing the White Crown of Upper Egypt.
A second, smaller macehead fragment showing Scorpion wearing the Red Crown of Lower Egypt is referred to as the "Minor Scorpion macehead.
Description of the maceheads
Egyptian pictorial conventions
Ancient Egyptian depiction obeyed a number of conventions. Perspective being unknown, depth was often hinted at by depicting a more remote scene above a closer one. People's lower body, their legs, arms, and head were almost always shown in profile, while their torso was depicted in frontal view, as was the eye. Legs are always apart. Size was often dependent on status, kings being depicted larger than their inferiors.”
>> This is correct, from a classical Main Stream History point of view about the interpretation of the Ancient Egyptian reliefs. This is how I used to interpret them too. While some in the Alternative History view mostly the “depths” issue as in the perspective issue as these being giants. This was always a debate issue. So check things out yourselves anons, make up your own mind about it.
“The Major Scorpion macehead
On the macehead the king sporting a bull's tail is standing by a body of water, probably a canal, holding a hoe. He is wearing the White Crown of Upper Egypt and is followed by two fan bearers. A scorpion and a rosette are depicted close to his head. He is facing a man holding a basket and men holding standards. A number of men are busy along the banks of the canal. In the rear of the king's retinue are some plants, a group of women clapping their hands and a small group of people, all of them facing away from the king. In the top register there is a row of nome standards. A bird is dangling from each of them, strung up by its neck.”
>> Seth is represented among the nome standards.
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e6dfd4 No.13430386
>>13430328
(Please read from the start)
“The Minor Scorpion macehead
Little is left of this macehead and its imagery: A king wearing the Red Crown of Lower Egypt, sitting on a throne below a canopy, holding a flail. Beside his head images of a scorpion and a rosette. Facing him is a falcon who may be holding an end of a rope in one of its claws – a motif also present on the Narmer Palette.”
Since we are here, let’s take a look at the other Macehead = Narmer’s Macehead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narmer_Macehead
“The Narmer macehead is an ancient Egyptian decorative stone mace head. It was found in the “main deposit” in the temple area of the ancient Egyptian city of Nekhen (Hierakonpolis) by James Quibell in 1898. It is dated to the Early Dynastic Period reign of king Narmer (c. 31st century BC) whose serekh is engraved on it. The macehead is now kept at the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford.”
>> The Ashmolean Museum again.
“Motifs
The Narmer macehead is better preserved than the Scorpion Macehead and has had various interpretations. One opinion is that, as for the Palette, the events depicted on it record the year it was manufactured and presented to the temple, a custom which is known from other finds at Hierakonpolis. A theory held by earlier scholars, including Petrie and Walter Emery, is that the macehead commemorates great occasions like Narmer's Heb Sed festival or marriage to a possible Queen Neithhotep.
On the left side of this macehead is a king sitting under a canopy on a dais; he is wearing the Red Crown (deshret) and is covered in a long cloth or cloak. The king is holding a flail and above the canopy a vulture, possibly the local goddess Nekhbet, hovers with spread wings. Nekhen, or Hierakonpolis, was one of four power centers in Upper.
Egypt that preceded the consolidation of Upper Egypt at the end of the Naqada III period. Hierakonpolis’s religious importance continued long after its political role had declined. Directly in front of the king is another dais, or possibly litter, on which a cloaked figure sits facing him. This figure has been interpreted as a princess being presented to the king for marriage, the king's child or a deity. The dais is covered by a bow-like structure and behind it are three registers. In the center register, attendants are walking or running behind the dais. In the top register, an enclosure, with what seems like a cow and a calf, might symbolise the nome of Theb-ka, or the goddess Hathor and her son Horus, deities associated with kingship since earliest times. Behind the enclosure, four standard-bearers approach the throne. In the bottom register, in front of the fan-bearers, are a collection of offerings.”
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75778e No.13431380
>>13430386
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“On the center part of the macehead, behind the throne with the seated king, there is a figure just like the supposed sandal-bearer from the Narmer palette, likewise with the rosette sign above its head. He is followed by a man carrying a long pole. Above him three men are walking, two of them also carrying long poles. The serekh displaying the signs for Narmer can be seen above these men.
The top field to the right of the center field shows a building, perhaps a shrine, with a heron perched on its roof. Below this, an enclosure shows three animals, probably antelopes. This has been suggested as signifying the ancient town of Buto, the place where the events described on the macehead might have taken place.
>> The general description of Narmer’s macehead is good, so I’m not going to go over it once more. What I want to bring attention to is the Scorpion and the rosette in all the maceheads we just saw.
In pre-dynastic Egypt, we have 2 kings with the Scorpion symbol, one of them is Narmer. It’s not the first time we see him in this thread: we’ve already seen his palette (starting page 122). What is important are the 2 elements I’ve mentioned before the Scorpion symbol and the rosette symbol. We know the scorpion symbol is on the maceheads and the palette in Ancient Egypt, but it’s not the only place we’ve seen it. In Mesopotamis, we’ve seen a relief of Nergal with (most probably) his spouse where there are not one but 2 scorpions depicted. Back then, if I recall correctly, I said there are 2 possibilities:
1 – The upper scorpion is a constellation and the lower one represents the poisonous ability of Nergal.
2 – The lower scorpion is for Nergal and the upper scorpion is for the lady = both pointing to which clan/faction they belong to, like a heraldic sign.
We also have on page 806, a mysterious scorpion goddess statuette from Elam. I personally don’t think it’s a goddess but a person belonging to the scorpion clan.
In the case of pre-dynastic Egypt, we see the same scorpion depicted near 2 kings, including Narmer. If I compare, it becomes clear that these 2 pre-dynastic Egyptian kings also belonged to the Scorpion clan.
Just like Nergal these 2 pre-dynastic kings also are “warriors” and they are famous for their conquests and battles. War and combat attributes are a second common point that binds the “scorpion people” to each other, not just the scorpion symbol.
And this brings me to the period/era they were all living in: Nergal was at the Akkadian period just like Ningishzida and Gudea worship the later. At the end of the Akkadian period something happened: the City-State system was abandoned as well as the King-Priest authority. We stopped having several sovereign cities, but…a new ideology in ruling appeared = kingdoms. A thirst to group the independent city-states under the rule of one central iron fist appeared with the people following the scorpion people. It’s very obvious in Ancient Egypt, mostly with Narmer’s ambition to conquer the Upper Egyptian Kingdom at first and unify the land under HIS rule. This is a thirst for power and domination we are seeing here anons.
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75778e No.13431529
>>13431380
(Please read from the start)
It’s not that clear in Mesopotamia, but in the Akkadian era, we also see this way of thinking = monopolizing the power and concentrating it in the hands of one person.The scorpion people are linked to this as well. How? Well, when you pay attention to kings like Gudea and what they worshiped = he follows in the principles of Ningishzida whom is identical to Nergal and closely associated to him and to Ninurta. This proves this way of thinking belongs to the same faction or people following the same ideology and beliefs = they are hungry for power and dominance. And they do not share power with other city-states but want to dominate the entire land = thirst for conquest, dominance and power. This phenomena aslo occures in Mesoamerica, but mostly in the Andean region, where it’s very clear how they moved from the City-State system to a kingdom or an empire = centralized power, dominance and conquest.
The scorpion symbol is not the only one that deserves our attention; there is also the rosette. We’ve seen it in almost all old reliefs in Mesopotamia, notably on what we refer to as the Anunnaki watches and other artifacts. We also see it in pre-dynastic Egypt. In the Main Stream History, there are 2 interpretations for this rosette:
1 – It’s a flower that represent a county or a heraldic symbol – maybe both as in a heraldic symbol of a county or clan.
2 – It’s a star, pointing maybe to a constellation.
I’m from the second group but with a little variation. I don’t think this is part of a constellation. It’s a single object. As in, it’s either one single star that stands out like Polaris or like Sirius = a special type of star that can be easily recognized. Or it’s actually a beam of light coming from the sky – see picture I’ve attached with this page, taken from the net. When you are standing just under a beam a light coming down from the sky and you look upwards, this is how you see it = as if it was a star.
This is in no shape or form a flower despite how the “rays”/”petals” are depicted. Flowers of this sort have no place in Ancient Egypt with the desert weather and flora, if it was a papyrus or a water Lilly, then yes, but not this type of flowers. Also another point that convinced me it’s not of a floral nature = it’s almost identical to the symbol of Shamash from Mesopotamia. Anons look closely to the picture I’ve put of that Light Beam coming down from the sky: on its lower end, there is lightning. On the Symbol of Shamash, those wavy lines are not sun rays but lightning.
We also saw it on the Stele of Naram-Sin (picture in page 63). It’s the same design, but there were 3 of them and not just a single one. Since there were multiple and not a single star on the stele of Naram-Sin, I said back then this might be some constellation. The stele is also chipped, damaged on the upper side where the “Stars” are represented, so there might be others carved that we lost; which opens the possibility of a constellation being depicted there.
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75778e No.13431619
>>13431529
(Please read from the start)
We have a different situation on our hands here: This is ONE, SINGLE rosette represented, not one in a group. So this is not part of some big constellation. It’s either a single prominent star or (as I’m more inclined) this is a beam of light – because of the lightning that comes along with it.
What got me in this set of mind = the rosette being a light beam is the combination of all the elements I’ve just talked about with the Knife Handle from Gebel Tarif (page 140 – where we have an Griffin/or Ibex represented as well but it’s uncertain) and the design on Gudea’s Libation Vase (starting page 690). The possible presence of the Griffin reminds me of how I see him in a protective role, like a guardian.
The first artifact dates from the Naqada III period = approximately from 3200 to 3000 B.C. The second artifact dates back from Gudea’s reign = approximately from 2144 to 2124 B.C.
The oldest = Gebel Tarif Knife Handle has clearly a rosette depicted between the swirling serpents. The second = Gudea’s Libation Vase the rosettes mutated, their representation evolved and turned into a beam of light. If I add how it turned into the Caduceus with the Greeks and it’s shaped mutated for a third and fourth time with the Carthaginians (tombstone – page 769) and the Romans; I say, this light beam with swirling serpents came a looonnnngggg way. And it has mutated several times, changing when it passed to each new civilization and/or generation.
I combined all that I found and got to the conclusion this is a light beam, not a rosette. This is like a 5 D puzzle I’ve put together. I suggest anons make up their own minds after examining everything I pointed to. A bit of reading for anons so they would get a better understand what I talked about with the Maceheads:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_II
“Scorpion II (Ancient Egyptian: possibly Selk or Weha), also known as King Scorpion, was a ruler during the Protodynastic Period of Upper Egypt (c. 3200–3000 BC).
Identity
Name
King Scorpion's name and title are of great dispute in modern Egyptology. His name is often introduced by a six- or seven-leafed, golden rosette or flower(?)-sign. This emblem can be found on numerous objects from the Dynasty 0 and Dynasty I periods; it vanishes until the end of the Third Dynasty, when it re-appears under high-ranked officials, such as Khabawsokar and A'a-akhty (both dated to the end of the Third Dynasty). Its precise meaning has been intensely discussed; the most common interpretation is that of an emblem meaning 'nomarch' or 'high lord'. During the protodynastic and early dynastic eras, it was evidently used as a designation for kings; in much later periods, it was bestowed on high-ranked officials and princes, especially on those who served as priests for the goddess Seshat. Thus, the golden rosette became an official emblem of Seshat. The reading of the rosette sign is also disputed. Most linguists and Egyptologists read it Neb (for 'lord') or Nesw (for 'king'), and they are convinced that the golden rosette was some kind of forerunner to the later serekh.”
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18b549 No.13438329
>>13431619
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>> I hope anons realize what this really means =
1 – If the rosette is a Star = Sun = then each person depicted with a rosette next to it in Ancient Egypt is a Child of the Sun.
2 – If the rosette is a Beam of Light = then each person depicted with a rosette next to it in Ancient Egypt is a Child of the Light.
This is not the name of the person, we mis-interpreted. This is an indication to the Status of the person or it’s belonging to a certain Bloodline = a very specific genealogy or place of origin. The interpretation of “High Lord” fit perfectly, in my opinion. It’s like a symbol having the same meaning as the world Inca, Lugash and Baal. Words were not used but a symbol for the same meaning.
Since it’s present in the Zero and First Dynasty, then all of them are either Children of the Sun themselves or direct descendants from them. As we go down in time as new generations and dynasties come, we start getting further and further from the true meaning of the rosette as the young forgot and the Blood wasn’t as pure it was at the beginning.
“The scorpion fetish, which underlies the name of Scorpion II, is generally linked to the later-introduced goddess Selket, but Egyptologists and linguists such as L.D. Morenz, H. Beinlich, Toby Wilkinson and Jan Assmann have pointed out that the goddess was introduced no earlier than the late Old Kingdom period. In this view, the scorpion fetish of the protodynastic period should not be associated with Selket. Morenz points out that, in cases where a fetish animal is included in a ruler's name, the animal generally has a different, rather cultic and political meaning. The scorpion animal commonly stood for dangerous things, such as 'poison' and 'illness', but it could also mean 'bad breath', in military contexts 'storm' and 'attack', or 'gale whiff'. Since it is unclear what actual meaning was reserved for the serekh animal of Scorpion II, scholars usually refer to him as 'King Scorpion II'.”
>>I am of this opinion: the goddess Serket was introduced later on. I think she is the deification of the heraldic symbol of the Scorpion clan/faction. Later generation, not knowing what it really means, explained the clan heraldic sign as a deity.
“Historical figure
There are several theories regarding his identity and chronological position. Some Egyptologists, such as Bernadette Menu, argue that, because Egyptian kings of the First Dynasty seem to have had multiple names, Scorpion was the same person as Narmer, simply with an alternative name, or additional title. They also argue that the artistic style seen on the macehead of Scorpion II shows conspicuous similarities to that on the famous Narmer macehead. Other scholars, including T. H. Wilkinson, Renée Friedman and Bruce Trigger, have identified king Scorpion II as the 'Gegenkönig' (opponent ruler) of Narmer and Ka (or Sekhen). At the time of Scorpion II, Egypt was divided into several minor kingdoms that were fighting each other. It is likewise conjectured that Narmer simply conquered the realms of Ka and Scorpion II, thus unifying the whole of Egypt for the first time.”
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18b549 No.13438346
>>13438329
(Please read from the start)
>>I personally think Scorpion II is none other than Narmer because the scorpion title was a reference to his clan/faction affiliation, not his name = Narmer of the Scorpion Clan. And I agree that there is a physical resemblance between the person on the Palette and on the Macehead. I do agree that at that era, there were many rival rulers, each one trying to conquer and dominate the other and his territory = thirst for dominance and power.
“Attestations
Macehead
[…]”
>> I’m skipping it because we just checked out this specific Macehead.
“Ivory tags
Numerous small ivory tags showing the depiction of a scorpion were found. They come from Abydos, Minshat Abu Omar and Tarkhan. Some of them show the scorpion holding the hieroglyphic sign for "nome/garden/land" (Gardiner sign N24) and it is disputed, if this clear sign combination has a deeper meaning: the scorpion could represent King Scorpion II in his role as a ruler of a certain (but unnamed) nome. Some other tags show the scorpion close over a swallow sign, which reads 'the scorpion is great'. One unique tag shows the scorpion holding a long stick, smiting an enemy. Since many of the tags show a shrine with a heron on the roof at the backsite, it is thought that Scorpion II originated from Buto.”
>> This nome belongs or is ruled by the Scorpion Clan = I believe this is the right interpretation.
“Rock and vessel inscriptions
At Tarkhan and Minshat Abu Omar, several stone- and clay vessels were found. They have royal serekhs incarved at their bellies and the reading of the name inside is disputed. Several Egyptologists (including Thomas Schneider, Dietrich Wildung and Herman TeVelde) are convinced that the serekhs present a strongly stylized figure of a scorpion. Others, such as Günter Dreyer and Wolfgang Helck, are not so sure and read it as a sloppily drawn version of the name of King Ka.”
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fabd2e No.13446045
>>13438346
(Please read from the start)
“At the second cataract of the Nile, not far from the Nasser-reservoire at Gebel Sheikh Suliman (Sudan), a large rock cutting depicts a big scorpion figure striding over killed enemies. Their death is demonstrated by depicting them standing upside-down and being hit by arrows; two further figures are still holding their own bows and shooting. Thanks to the ostrich feathers and the bows, the enemies can be identified as Nubians, since ostrich feather and bow were the typical attributes for the Egyptians to mark the Nubians. The scorpion faces a human figure with an artificial beard and ceremonial knife in a belt; the figure holds a long cord, to which captured Nubians are tied. The whole scene is interpreted as representing King Scorpion II celebrating his victory against the hostile Nubians.
Reign
Political situation
Numerous artifacts with relief decoration and pottery markings made of black ink point to a flourishing trade economy at the time of Scorpion's rulership. For the first time, the inscriptions give the hieroglyphic writings for 'Lower Egypt' and/or 'Upper Egypt'. Therefore, both parts of Egypt slowly started to work together. But, since it seems clear that Egypt was divided into at least two coexisting kingdoms, scholars wonder on which kind of power factor the rulership of protodynastic kings was based. Conquering and warfare had to be economically promoted, warriors and guardians had to be fed. Based on this cognition, scholars such as K. M Ciałowitz, T. H. Wilkinson, Karl Butzer, and Michael A. Hoffman point to the irrigation systems, which were founded in huge quantities. Numerous palettes (such as the Hunters Palette, the Libyan Palette, and the Narmer Palette, for example) and the maceheads of Scorpion II and Narmer show depictions of rivers, plants, trees and several different animals (birds, mammals, and fishes) in surprising natural detail. Alongside these motifs, human figures performing agricultural work are depicted. Ciałowitz, Wilkinson, Butzer and Hoffman see the power source of the protodynastic kings in these agricultural developments. Irrigation systems allowed increasing settlements, cattle possessions and vegetable cultivation. The scholars wonder if the kings kept the irrigations scarce on purpose, to ensure their power, influence and wealth.”
>> Or they are survivors of a great calamity, bringing along with them from the past a lot of advanced knowledge and high technology.
“Religious and cultic situation
The numerous decorations on the artifacts also depict large numbers of fetishes and standards, surmounted by gods, which reveals an already very complex religion and cult system. Since the standards often guide the battle scenes, battles and conquests might have been seen as cultic events as well. The earliest recognizable gods are Horus, Seth, Min, Nemty, Nekhbet, Bat, and Wepwawet. But it is unknown where these gods had their cultic centers and shrines, because the hieroglyphs depicting the place names were not introduced yet.”
>> We have a very nice list of Flood survivors here anons
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fabd2e No.13446121
>>13446045
(Please read from the start)
>> We’ve seen both before, the Serpopards (page 119) and what they call here the Chimera, I called it back then the Griffin (page 118). This is no Chimera anons, this is no Chimera. The Chimera has 3 heads: the main one is of a lion, the secondary is of a goat and the last one is of a Serpent/dragon. Where are the 2 heads here? I can see only one. Saying it’s a Chimera is a lie and intentionally highly misleading.
“A further motif of Scorpion's era, that is clearly of Mesopotamian origin, is that of a warrior fighting two lions with his bare hands. He holds one lion in each hand, both at his sides. A similar motif shows the warrior with two giraffes. In later dynasties, this motif became a hieroglyph, registered as Gardiner A38 and Gardiner A39. It reads Qjs and it was used as the emblem of the city of Cusae.
Mesopotamian influences under king Scorpion II
All listed motifs and emblems, but also tomb architecture and traded items (such as tools, bead collars and cylinder seals) prove a surprisingly strong and extensive influence of Mesopotamian culture and religion to the early Egyptians. This cognition is promoted by the evaluations of architectural developments, visible at burial places such as Minshat Abu Omar, Hierakonpolis and Naqada. The architectural methods used for building complex and stable tombs were clearly copied from Mesopotamian buildings. It is not fully clarified why the Egyptians fostered their amicable relationship with Mesopotamia so intensively; proponents of the Dynastic race theory believe that the first Egyptian chieftains and rulers were themselves of Mesopotamian origin, but this is still unproven. During the rulership of King Scorpion II and his immediate successors, the influence seems to decrease and Egypt begins to foster its own, more independent culture. This surely was a further important step toward Egypt's future as a powerful and wealthy kingdom.
>> Allow me to explain things a bit: We’ve seen before in this thread trade taking place between Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt where many types of goods were exchanged. This is normal considering their geographical proximity. And where there is Trade routes, there is also cultural exchange, including religious and architectural influence. Influence but not dominance. It’s very normal to see a few elements being transferred from one culture to another.
For it to have kept such a notable fingerprint and influence it means this is not done by simple trades routes = using the routes highlighted in the map I’m attaching to this page = they do fit perfectly with what I was talking about in page 14. It’s faster and cheaper to use the Phoenician coast for trade as a medium between Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. I’ve also talked about these trade routes in page 648 when I was taking a look at the F.M.B. Ask yourselves anons, which is easier, cheaper and faster in trade =
1 – Sumerians using boats to circle the Arabian Peninsula which is dangerous due to weather and pirates and it’s longer – probably more expensive if it’s a longer route.
2 – It’s a shorter, safer and cheaper to travel by land using the caravan trade routes or nagivate upstream a bit the Euphrates and then join the Phoenician coast via Aleppo as I’ve said before.
Once the Phoenician City-States are reached, then renting the services of the Phoenicians is easy to transport the merchandise by boat or keep on following the coastline by caravan route all the way to Delta Egypt.
So ask yourselves anons, why do we have such a notable fingerprint in Upper Egypt and not in the Detla region = Lower Egypt, where the soil was more fertile and crops much more abundant and where trade was flourishing? Why didn’t they pick as a center for them the closest geographical location to Mesopotamia – easy access? Why choose to settle in Upper Egyptian kingdom?
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f49470 No.13448918
>>13446121
(Please read from the start)
What are the possibilities?
1 – A BIG but SINGLE wave of migration occurred from Mesopotamia to Ancient Egypt (big enough to influence this much), but for some unexplained and irrational reason they chose to settle down in Upper Egypt and not Lower Egypt. Lower Egypt had many advantages and is a more logical spot as an ideal migration destination.
2 – If I follow the reasoning of having a common origin or the same starting point to it all, but they survivors ended up being scattered in 3 different geographic locations, then it makes sense: Mesopotamia, Upper Egypt Kingdom and Andean Region (F.M.B. & Potokia Monolith). The reason why we don’t seen any “Mesopotamian” presence after the first generation passed in the Andean Region and in Upper Egypt it’s because their numbers weren’t much in those 2 places to begin with. They were simply a few of them there.
And please note that according to Main Stream History, it’s still uncertain, unverified, more like unproven that the early Egyptian Rulers were originally from Mesopotamia. Because they were NOT, but they came from the same place, here and there from before the Great Flood.
“Tomb
The exact burial place of Scorpion II is unknown. There are two tombs that are both seen as candidates. The first one is registered as Tomb B50 and lies at Umm el-Qa'ab (close to Abydos). It is a nearly quadratic chamber divided into four rooms by a simple, cross-shaped mud wall. Several ivory tags with scorpion figures were found here. The second one is located at Hierakonpolis and is registered as Tomb HK6-1. It measures 3.5 m × 6.5 m, has a depth of 2.5 m, and is strengthened with mud. Several ivory tags with scorpion figures were found here.
Scorpion's name in popular culture
• Golding, William (1971), The Scorpion God (novella) is loosely based upon this period of Egyptian history.
• The Scorpion King's name was used in the 2001 film The Mummy Returns, and its spin-offs The Scorpion King (2002), The Scorpion King 2: Rise of a Warrior (2008), The Scorpion King 3: Battle for Redemption (2012) and The Scorpion King 4: Quest for Power (2015).
• An action-adventure video game The Scorpion King: Rise of the Akkadian was released in 2002.
• The 2007 children's novel Pharaoh by Jackie French deals with events in the court of King Scorpion, and the rivalry between his sons Narmer and Prince Hawk."
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f49470 No.13449228
>>13448918
(Please read from the start)
Hollywood did pick up on the Scorpion King: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_King
I’m going to skip unnecessary parts but if anons want to read more, they have the link.
“The Scorpion King is a 2002 American action-adventure fantasy film directed by Chuck Russell, starring The Rock, Kelly Hu, Grant Heslov and Michael Clarke Duncan. It is a spin-off of The Mummy franchise and launched The Scorpion King film series. The film marks Johnson's first lead role.
The events of The Scorpion King take place 5,000 years before the events of The Mummy and The Mummy Returns, revealing the origins of Mathayus and his rise to power as the legendary hero, the Scorpion King. The name is a reference to a historical king of the Protodynastic Period of Egypt, King Scorpion.
Plot
Before the time of the pyramids, a horde of warriors from the East — led by the ruthless Memnon, who by their law, is king for being their greatest fighter — invades and conquers the local tribes. His many victories come from the help of a sorcerer who predicts the outcomes of battles, leaving only a few free tribes to oppose him.”
>> A sorcerer that can see the “future”? Sounds like we have a human “looking glass”.
The Akkadians: Hollywood is connecting the first Scorpion king to the Akkadians. I don’t know about you, but I believe this is misleading. Because if there are any Akkadians = Caucasians in Ancient Egypt’s first dynasties, it didn’t come from Mesopotamia. They came from before the Flood = they are stranded, scattered survivors. Anons will understand why I’m saying this much later in this thread. It’s going to be explained.
“Deciding to finish his mission and avenge his brother, Mathayus sneaks into Memnon's stronghold, Gomorrah, and manages to enter Memnon's palace with help from a street urchin. […].”
>> Of all the ancient city names, why pick Gomorrah?
“Mathayus, with help from Balthazar, Arpid, Philos and the army of rebels, launches an all-out assault on Memnon's stronghold, facing Memnon personally before he can kill Cassandra. […] The battle rages on until Mathayus is shot by a guard, as predicted by Cassandra. As Memnon takes his place in the House of Scorpio to become the Scorpion King, Cassandra kills the guard while Mathayus retrieves his bow, pulls the arrow out of his shoulder and uses it to shoot the exhausted Memnon, sending him off the edge of the roof. At the same time, Philos and Arpid use the explosive powder to destroy the palace's foundation stone, bringing down the bulk of Memnon's forces. Memnon is consumed by the flames as he falls to his death. With the battle over, the remnants of Memnon's army bow before Mathayus, who by their law is their new king, the Scorpion King.
[…]”
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bd45a9 No.13455812
>>13449228
(Please read from the start)
>> HOUSE OF SCORPIO = it’s a clan/faction/tribe anons, just like what I’ve been trying to tell you. This Scorpio clan was ruled by a king/leader. Members of it were warriors/fighters and if you wanted to become the king of this clan, you had to earn it by fighting, being undefeated in battle. And this fits perfectly with what we have seen with Nergal = him being a ruthless, bloody warrior with a scorpion symbol next to him.
This section I’m currently working on is multi-dimensional; it’s like a 5 D puzzle I’m putting together. All of the elements I’ve picked from Mesopotamia and now I’m gathering from Ancient Egypt, it’s all inter-connected on multiple levels, and it’s also connected to the Native American Horned Serpent. I’m building the Bridges right now between the Native American and Mesopotamia along with Ancient Egypt. This is like a Spider net going on all directions right now, so I hope anons are connecting things on their own.
Next, I want to draw attention to what is called the Anunnaki watches. I’m in the same mind set when it comes to them as about the rosette or sun disk on their wrists. I don’t think this is a watch face, nor is it a sun dial or a compass. I think what we see on the wrist is light coming out of it. This is an object that emits light. It’s represented, depicted in the same “floral” way as what we see on the Maceheads, Narmer’s palette and Gebel Tarif Knife handle. It’s the same Star or Light on all of these artifacts from Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt
What do I have in mind when I say that? Well, the first thing that actually came to my mind was the I-watch from Apple. It emits light, doesn’t it? Just like the surface of any computer screen or smart machine does. It’s not the first time we see advanced technology in the hands of the Great Flood survivors, so why this should be any different if the Sumerians are Flood survivors that came out from the Ark on Mt. Ararat? And as I’ve said before in this thread, when you are fleeing a cataclysm, you don’t stop to think what you are wearing and what you are carrying. If I’m currently wearing an I-watch and the cataclysm occurred, do I stop to take it off? Or will it go with me wherever I go?
And I’m not thinking of this out of the blue because I know the Bloodlines have been trying to reverse engineer all of the ancient technology. We’ve seen this many times in this thread, gone over many of them. So why is this watch any different? Where did Apple get the idea of I-watches from? Did they get inspiration from the Holy Ghost?
There are no coincidences. And as Qteam said: sometimes the truth can be stranger than fiction.
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bd45a9 No.13455882
>>13455812
(Please read from the start)
The I-watch reminded me in turn of similar items seen in Hollywood movies.
I got reminded at first with what the Predator wears on his arm (from the movie of the same name), like some type of minicomputer that has a self-destruction mode option as a last resort. When I looked around, I got the shock of my life to find out that the U.S. Army has minicomputers similar to what we see in the movie Predator. I know, I know, they are not identical, the idea behind it is similar. The one in the movie can be considered as archaic or old fashioned type of computer. While the one we see with the U.S. Army has touch screen and seem to be of the latest technology we the public are aware of. Imagine how this tech would have seemed to Crusaders or to Ancient Egyptians?
The second movie that popped into my mind was Iron Man. Look what he has on his wrist and how it comes out as a gauntlet of his armor. This Smart Watch Tony Stark wears throughout all of the series has many functions and it seems to evolve as the Iron Man armor itself evolve. I bumped into him once more didn’t I? It seems I wander around and each time I end up bumping into Iron Man. It makes me wonder time and over again how close are these super heroes comics to the truth and how (((they))) twisted and manipulated everything.
After that little detour, I’m going to continue where I stopped in page 809 about Set – which brings me to the second myth (ref. page 807) of a battle in Ancient Egypt between the ThunderBirds and the Horned Serpent:
“Conflict of Horus and Set
An important element of Set's mythology was his conflict with his brother or nephew, Horus, for the throne of Egypt. The contest between them is often violent but is also described as a legal judgment before the Ennead, an assembled group of Egyptian deities, to decide who should inherit the kingship. The judge in this trial may be Geb, who, as the father of Osiris and Set, held the throne before they did, or it may be the creator gods Ra or Atum, the originators of kingship. Other deities also take important roles: Thoth frequently acts as a conciliator in the dispute or as an assistant to the divine judge, and in "Contendings", Isis uses her cunning and magical power to aid her son.”
>> Details as in who is who and what is what don’t matter much. What matters the most is that this is a combat, a fight for the THRONE = Whom will sit on the throne and reign. It’s a fight for power. From all that we read so far a good and wise king sat on the throne, but a member of his family (along with accomplices) wanted to take power for themselves and tried to take over by using force (=combat, slaughter) and tricks (=spying, deception). There is an Evil side whom is fighting a Good side. The details differ from one culture/ civilization to another and from one era to another, but the core is the same.
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258544 No.13460331
>>13455882
(Please read from the start)
“The rivalry of Horus and Set is portrayed in two contrasting ways. Both perspectives appear as early as the Pyramid Texts, the earliest source of the myth. In some spells from these texts, Horus is the son of Osiris and nephew of Set, and the murder of Osiris is the major impetus for the conflict. The other tradition depicts Horus and Set as brothers. This incongruity persists in many of the subsequent sources, where the two gods may be called brothers or uncle and nephew at different points in the same text.”
>> As I’ve just said in the previous paragraph, it really doesn’t matter whom is whom and what is what. What matters is that they were both members of the same family = the king’s family, the ruling family = the royal family.
But I don’t think there is contradiction in both versions of the parentage level between the 2 deities. I know at first, it won’t make sense? How can the 2 be nephew and uncle while being brothers in the same time? No I haven’t gone mad, I think it’s a matter of optics and interpretation done by the Ancient Egyptians. I think there is a possibility, Osiris and Seth were brothers and Horus is the direct and legitimate son of Osiris, or represent the young heir. This makes Seth his uncle. But all of them are Children of the Sun: Osiris is a child of the Sun, Seth is a child of the Sun and Horus is a child of the Sun. This is how it can be interpreted as all of them being siblings = because all of them were children of the Sun. It’s a matter of interpretation = how Ancient Egyptians interpreted this connection. And this is why in some texts their familial connections is depicted as uncle and nephew and in some others it is said they are siblings because they are all children of the Sun. I don’t know about you anons, but for me, it makes perfect sense.
“The divine struggle involves many episodes. "Contendings" describes the two gods appealing to various other deities to arbitrate the dispute and competing in different types of contests, such as racing in boats or fighting each other in the form of hippopotami, to determine a victor. In this account, Horus repeatedly defeats Set and is supported by most of the other deities. Yet the dispute drags on for eighty years, largely because the judge, the creator god, favors Set. In late ritual texts, the conflict is characterized as a great battle involving the two deities' assembled followers. The strife in the divine realm extends beyond the two combatants. At one point Isis attempts to harpoon Set as he is locked in combat with her son, but she strikes Horus instead, who then cuts off her head in a fit of rage. Thoth replaces Isis's head with that of a cow; the story gives a mythical origin for the cow-horn headdress that Isis commonly wears.”
>> The information contained in this paragraph is incredible. It gives a lot of details as to what had happened and it fills the gaps: shedding light into the dark mysterious places where the image is still unclear up to a great extent.
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258544 No.13460345
>>13460331
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1 - We know that the conflict lasted for a very long time and it was not a thing of the moment, settled in a couple of days. We’ve seen echoes of this = hints when we were taking a look at Nergal (pages 785-786). Nergal/Erra didn’t choose direct attack but he infiltrates Marduk’s side until he manages to trick him with lies and subterfuge. This sort of work need a lot of time = it’s time consuming, mostly if we need to earn the trust of the one you are tricking, which is a must in these circumstances. It’s like the good guys in the U.S. did by infiltrating Antifa, for years now = it took them many years to “blend” in and earn their trust to “supposedly” become one of them. This was not done in a blink.
2 – As I’ve said when taking a look at Mesopotamia, this was not the work of one person, this was a group effort; either for the good guys and mostly the bad guys = this paragraph also provides us the same type of information. The “gods” took sides, but most supported the “rightful” king = Osiris’ side – or should I say the side of the ThunderBirds. Isn’t this what Hippolyta, the Amazon queen told Wonder Woman as a bed time story of Ares rebellion against his father Zeus? Which brings me back to what I said about Ningishzida, Nergal, Ninurta, Sisiutl, the Native American Horned Serpent etc. These are not ONE deity, but many. These are soldiers, warriors, fighting on the side of the Great Evil, the one whom wanted to take the throne and be king = the betrayer. And it’s clear his followers shared his values and ideology = they like to kill and slaughter, they were power hungry, wanted to rule, they also took the ladies by force which denotes a sexual side to it.
We also saw this in the Epic of Gilgamesh, where a few deities secretly gathered and worked, planned and plotted together to cause the deluge. And we also have the same in the story of Quetzalcoatl and how it was a group whom liked to practice human sacrifice that plotted to against him and ousted him. Just like Nergal managed to oust Marduk from Babylon. This specific group of people were not just evil, but they also liked to hurt others in horrible ways. And as “mortal” enemy they had the ThunderBirds, which they were fighting, which in turn points out there were many bloody battles for a long period of time.
3 – It is said in this paragraph that the “Creator god” favored Seth and this is the reason why the conflict was never truly solved or put an end to it quickly = making it last a very long time. This is incredibly odd. Why? If Seth was favored by the Creator god, why wasn’t he put king in the first place? Why was Osiris picked for that seat instead of Seth? Why not put Seth, the god of disorder on the throne from the get go?
If the Creator god favored Seth, why didn’t he make him so powerful that he could have easily taken down Horus instead of being repeatedly defeated by him? If the Creator god favored him, why did he make him the god of disorder? What kind of a JUDGE is this Creator god as he is cheating himself, by tipping the scales of Justice in favor of one party? The judge should be impartial, neutral and objective but he is incredibly biased here isn’t he? This is a sort of cheating because he didn’t recuse himself when he’s unable to stay neutral in a conflict. Which makes me wonder why didn’t he rule in favor of Seth and crushed Horus? If the judge = Creator god was so biased, why didn’t he put an end to this conflict by ruling in favor of Seth? Why let it last this long?
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0c7a40 No.13469562
>>13460345
(Please read from the start)
The answer is rather easy: The Creator god never favored anyone. This is made up. When you look at the general stories from all over the world, the Bad guys always say that they are special or they are the chosen ones. Up till this day, it’s the same serenada we are hearing from the Bloodlines.
Doesn’t this remind the reader of the story of the fallen angels from Heaven? Isn’t Lucifer a beautiful Archangel whom defied God and disobeyed him to find himself kicked out of Heaven, him and the other angels whom allied themselves with him?
The devil is horned and he first showed up in the Book of Genesis as a Serpent whom tricked Eve into eating the forbidden Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. Anons know the story, but it’s important to note that from there on Adam and Eve were not just “banished” from Eden, but they also were doomed to mortality. Trickery and deception were used, just like what we have with Nergal do to Marduk.
The rebellion of Lucifer against God and the Serpent from the Tree of Knowledge whom lost its legs and was “cursed” to crawl on his belly….These are not just the 2 stories in the Old Testament with the presence of the Great Evil in them. There is a third story…. A story of 2 brothers, one called Abel whom’s offering was accepted by God and the second is Cain whom’s offering was not accepted by God. Eaten by envy and jealousy Cain ended up killing his own younger brother.
If we combine all 3 stories from the Old Testament isn’t this story resonating with all the other stories we’ve seen so far in this thread. Everything is rotating around the same core story that keeps on repeating itself in almost all the cultures/civilizations we’ve seen so far = it’s always the battle between good and evil and a coup from the bad guys to take the throne = Evil wants to reign in the place of Good.
4 – A lady is involved in all of this or maybe many ladies. In the fight between Horus and Seth, Isis plays a part, but it’s unclear which sides she really is on at one point, because “accidentally” she hits her son = it’s confusing sometimes. There is a lady with Nergal and with Quetalcoatl = the coup plotter was married to the daughter of the ruler = son in law of the ruler. In the Garden of Eden, it was Eve that was tricked by the Serpent. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Ishtar shrieks when she saw the destruction of the deluge . While from the same Epic, we have a strange sentence: “ Inanna moves the tree to her garden in Uruk with the intention to carve it into a throne once it is fully grown.” = is this referring to a coup?
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0c7a40 No.13469642
>>13469562
(Please read from the start)
The image we have of this lady is ambiguous and it varies depending on the version we’ve got. What is for certain is that she is a member of the royal family = a close relative to the King = from his blood or shares his blood = maybe his daughter or his sister, but NOT his wife. This means she is also a daughter of the Sun. She seems rather naïve because she was tricked and/or because in the case of Nergal, he threatened her into marrying him, using physical force. This shows her lack of experience and how she is influenced and used, maybe even manipulated.
It’s also clear from all the texts so far, that she was kinda tricked or used = taken advantage of by the evil one = maybe both, at least at first. It’s like she was his ticket to take the throne. What better way to have a claim to the throne than marrying a royal princess = a possible heir to that throne. It’s barely noticeable, but there is also a sexual connotation to her; which reinforces my thoughts of the great evil marrying her….or at least he was her lover. But being a lover doesn’t give you a right to succession to the throne? Being a husband does.
I keep on wondering how deep and willing her involvement was in the attempted to overthrow the king? Was she one of the original plotters? Was she innocent and used from start to end? Or was she tricked at first, then kinda brainwashed and became an active plotter against the real king? With the information I’ve got so far, it’s still hard to pin point this. And my thoughts are fresh on her and still forming. I’m sure more I go forward in this thread, the more I will find out about her.
I also suspect her to be one of the Sebetti (page 789) or a very close family member = a daughter of a Sebetti. But I’m more inclined to see her as the first option = I think she is a Sebetti. I rather wait to gather more information to be a 100 % of this specific point but for now, I’m only informing anons of my thoughts about her.
As for Isis’ severed head being replaced by that of a cow…doesn’t this remind anons of the horned crown worn by the Sumerian deities….including Nergal and Ningishzida wear in the various pictures I’ve provided of them in this thread? Remember this sentence from page 211? = “In the Dogon language, the sun's name (nay) had the same root as "mother" (na) and "cow" (nā)”. With the Dogoan language the Sun’s name has the same root as the word mother, so does this mean the SUN is our mother or should I say our place of origin = where we came from? Is this hinting that the SUN is a gate, like a stargate that lead travelers = US to Earth? Did we came to Earth from some place else in the universe using the SUN? Loads to think about here.
This also reminds me of the horns of the Native American Horned Serpent (page 750) and the description of Mishipeshu (page 748). Is this head replacement of Isis telling us that this specific lady betrayed the good guys? She switched sides and joined the Horned Serpent? I don’t know anons, I honestly don’t know. What I’m sure of is that I need to gather more information. As I said, my thoughts are still forming.
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6e4bf5 No.13478801
>>13469642
(Please read from the start)
“In a key episode in the conflict, Set sexually abuses Horus. Set's violation is partly meant to degrade his rival, but it also involves homosexual desire, in keeping with one of Set's major characteristics, his forceful, potent, and indiscriminate sexuality. In the earliest account of this episode, in a fragmentary Middle Kingdom papyrus, the sexual encounter begins when Set asks to have sex with Horus, who agrees on the condition that Set will give Horus some of his strength. The encounter puts Horus in danger, because in Egyptian tradition semen is a potent and dangerous substance, akin to poison. According to some texts, Set's semen enters Horus's body and makes him ill, but in "Contendings", Horus thwarts Set by catching Set's semen in his hands. Isis retaliates by putting Horus's semen on lettuce-leaves that Set eats. Set's defeat becomes apparent when this semen appears on his forehead as a golden disk. He has been impregnated with his rival's seed and as a result "gives birth" to the disk. In "Contendings", Thoth takes the disk and places it on his own head; in earlier accounts, it is Thoth who is produced by this anomalous birth.”
>> Most of this is extremely hard to explain since it’s a blurry and an intertwined story. The Horned Serpent side has this sexual component to it, this is what I was referring to earlier when talking about that Princess whom is entangled with the Great Evil.
In Ancient Egypt there was a belief that lettuce used to have sexual effects. Semen can be symbolic here and represent children or the offspring of Horus and/or Seth: this could be a projection or a symbolic interpretation of the fight, conflict between the children of the Light and the children of Darkness….Both were originally children of the Sun but, something happened and they were divided into the Children of the Light and the Children of Darkness depending on which side they are of course. This is a possibility.
What do you think this golden disk is anons? Could it be a mark, like being branded or a birth mark? Or some type of illness? These last few sentences are not to be taken word to word, but I think they are more symbolic or figurative. Deciphering them = decoding them will be interesting.
As for the anomaly in the birth, we’ve seen one before in this thread: within the Dogon People’s legends there is a birth anomaly with that of the Jackal (pages 211 & 214). This anomaly or “failure” was considered as a breach of the order of the Universe in Dogon culture. This is why the Jackal was associated to disorder and difficulties. I don’t know about you anons, but this Jackal is pretty close in his description to both Apep and Seth.
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6e4bf5 No.13478821
>>13478801
(Please read from the start)
“In a key episode in the conflict, Set sexually abuses Horus. Set's violation is partly meant to degrade his rival, but it also involves homosexual desire, in keeping with one of Set's major characteristics, his forceful, potent, and indiscriminate sexuality. In the earliest account of this episode, in a fragmentary Middle Kingdom papyrus, the sexual encounter begins when Set asks to have sex with Horus, who agrees on the condition that Set will give Horus some of his strength. The encounter puts Horus in danger, because in Egyptian tradition semen is a potent and dangerous substance, akin to poison. According to some texts, Set's semen enters Horus's body and makes him ill, but in "Contendings", Horus thwarts Set by catching Set's semen in his hands. Isis retaliates by putting Horus's semen on lettuce-leaves that Set eats. Set's defeat becomes apparent when this semen appears on his forehead as a golden disk. He has been impregnated with his rival's seed and as a result "gives birth" to the disk. In "Contendings", Thoth takes the disk and places it on his own head; in earlier accounts, it is Thoth who is produced by this anomalous birth.”
>> Most of this is extremely hard to explain since it’s a blurry and an intertwined story. The Horned Serpent side has this sexual component to it, this is what I was referring to earlier when talking about that Princess whom is entangled with the Great Evil.
In Ancient Egypt there was a belief that lettuce used to have sexual effects. Semen can be symbolic here and represent children or the offspring of Horus and/or Seth: this could be a projection or a symbolic interpretation of the fight, conflict between the children of the Light and the children of Darkness….Both were originally children of the Sun but, something happened and they were divided into the Children of the Light and the Children of Darkness depending on which side they are of course. This is a possibility.
What do you think this golden disk is anons? Could it be a mark, like being branded or a birth mark? Or some type of illness? These last few sentences are not to be taken word to word, but I think they are more symbolic or figurative. Deciphering them = decoding them will be interesting.
As for the anomaly in the birth, we’ve seen one before in this thread: within the Dogon People’s legends there is a birth anomaly with that of the Jackal (pages 211 & 214). This anomaly or “failure” was considered as a breach of the order of the Universe in Dogon culture. This is why the Jackal was associated to disorder and difficulties. I don’t know about you anons, but this Jackal is pretty close in his description to both Apep and Seth.
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6e4bf5 No.13478854
>>13478801
(Please read from the start)
We also have this piece of information about the Jackal: “Because of the birth of the single-sexed male Jackal, who was born without a soul, all humans eventually had to be turned into single-sexed beings. This was to prevent a being like the Jackal from ever being born on Earth again.” What could this anomaly be anons? What does it mean when they said that the Jackal was “born without a soul”? I don’t know about you anons, but this Jackal seem a perfect candidate for being the ancestor of the Bloodlines, mostly the Merovingian Bloodline. It’s an incredible fit for the one I’ve been calling as the Great Evil. Here, we know he is from the royal family since he is the first born = the son of Amma. See, it’s not clear how he was related to the king with all the variations from all the stories worldwide, but what is clear is that he is a relative of the king. And from the sound of it, it seems like that the Jackal had some sort of biological medical problem of some sort = he had some type of sickness which he was born with and couldn’t be cured with those medical beds we’ve mentioned before in this thread from the movies Elysium and Stargate.
But this is not the only similarity with the Dogon: there is the Dogon ancestor Lébé Serou (page 212 ) whom was the first mortal human and he was transformed into a snake. What do you think anons? Was he wearing one of the Horned Serpent armors? Pretty close to the myths and legends provided by the Native American, right? Also please check the picture of the artifact I’ve attached to that same page.
And did anons take a look at the Nommo twins (page 211 and starting page 215)? They were “WATER SPIRITS”. They were symbolized by the Sun = is this hinting they were “children of the Sun” as well? They used to live in a place circling the Star Sirius and they descended from the Sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder ^_^ The pieces are fitting perfectly together aren’t they anons? Remember where the Native American ThunderBirds used to live? Remember the Warrao myth of the Hunter that descendant from the sky?
The Nommos need water in order to live, just like we humans do. And the Nommo divided his body among men in order to feed them…We’ve seen dimemberment before in this thread as well, in Mesoamerica (with the Aztecs pages 273-274) and the Andes with the Moche Decapitator (p. 439).
They are referred to as “teachers” or “masters” fitting perfectly with what I talked about when it came to the Giants as having a leadership role and being teachers, or patriarchs… I gave as examples Haïg back then as playing that essential role for the Armenians and Viracocha = Staff-God in the Andean region.
It seems that the Dogon’s armor was of the aquatic type but they were also amphibious as in they had legs to walk on land as well. According to the Dogon tales of the Nommos underwent some type of transformation and there were 4 sets of them = 8 Nommos in total. Does this mean he has 7 children and he is the 8th one?
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eb491d No.13486260
>>13478854
(Please read from the start)
What am I thinking of here? = for ONE Nommo, he multiplied = I can interpret this as him having 7 children and if we add him to the count that makes 8. If the word Nommo equals = Child of the Sun, then we have the Father Nommo and 7 Children Nommo = 8 Nommos in total, all are Children of the Sun; which amazingly matches the Sebetti from Mesopotamia.
But one of the original Nommos rebelled against the Universal Order. In order to restore order to his created Universe, Amma had to SACRIFICE one of the Nommos. I don’t know about you anons, but this resonates greatly with the sacrifice of the King; we’ve seen it in the cartoon called the Mysterious Cities of Gold and in Tron: Legacy.
Lastly we have Ogo’s myth from the Dogon (page 216). He was a cosmic snake that embodied chaos; amazingly just like Apep. He thought his twin sister was his rival but she was in the care of the Nommos = as if they were protecting her. Just like in the other puzzle pieces, a lady is involved and she is a close relative to the king. Then Ogo decided to rebel and create his own world….which turned out to be dry and dusty. He also tried to have an incest relationship with Mother Earth which brought impurity and bareness to the world = the sexual component again. It’s always some type of perversion or is linked to violence like rape.
To save the universe, Amma had to sacrifice one of the Nommos. It ended with Amma setting Ogo down into the bushland which he created, transforming him into a fox of trickery. I have this feeling that this Ogo Serpent in none other than one of the initial Nommos; the one who rebelled against Amma.
Doesn’t this remind anons of the Coup I’ve been talking about against the King? And doesn’t this remind anons of what Satan did? I don’t know about you anons, but for me, all the pieces of the puzzle I’ve gathered so far are fitting perfectly with one another = Native American Horned Serpent + ThunerBirds with Nergal and Mesopotamia with Apep∕Seth+Horus fight with Quetzalcoatl with Viracocha with the Staff-god and with the Dogon myths.
As I’ve said before anons, this is a 5D puzzle and I’m trying to build all the connections right now. So let’s continue where I left off with Seth and Horus fight.
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eb491d No.13486364
>>13486260
(Please read from the start)
“Another important episode concerns mutilations that the combatants inflict upon each other: Horus injures or steals Set's testicles and Set damages or tears out one, or occasionally both, of Horus's eyes. Sometimes the eye is torn into pieces. Set's mutilation signifies a loss of virility and strength. The removal of Horus's eye is even more important, for this stolen eye of Horus represents a wide variety of concepts in Egyptian religion. One of Horus's major roles is as a sky deity, and for this reason his right eye was said to be the sun and his left eye the moon. The theft or destruction of the eye of Horus is therefore equated with the darkening of the moon in the course of its cycle of phases, or during eclipses. Horus may take back his lost Eye, or other deities, including Isis, Thoth, and Hathor, may retrieve or heal it for him. Egyptologist Herman te Velde argues that the tradition about the lost testicles is a late variation on Set's loss of semen to Horus, and that the moon-like disk that emerges from Set's head after his impregnation is the Eye of Horus. If so, the episodes of mutilation and sexual abuse would form a single story, in which Set assaults Horus and loses semen to him, Horus retaliates and impregnates Set, and Set comes into possession of Horus's eye, when it appears on Set's head. Because Thoth is a moon deity in addition to his other functions, it would make sense, according to te Velde, for Thoth to emerge in the form of the Eye and step in to mediate between the feuding deities.
In any case, the restoration of the eye of Horus to wholeness represents the return of the moon to full brightness, the return of the kingship to Horus, and many other aspects of maat. Sometimes the restoration of Horus's eye is accompanied by the restoration of Set's testicles, so that both gods are made whole near the conclusion of their feud.”
>> The Eye of Horus is one of the potential origins of the “EYE” (((they))) are so addicted of with (((their))) symbolism.
I think the loss of Seth’s testicles is more figurative/ symbolic than being a real physical injury or biological castration. This could have many meanings:
1 – It could be a way to say he is a coward = loss of manhood = virility = courage.
2 – It could be loss of physical strength and stamina = becoming physically weak.
3 – The most obvious meaning is that he cannot have kids anymore: an explanation I’m inclined to because we’ve seen some of the males descendants of this great evil person are unable to have offspring: most die at a young age; like it was the cases of Henry VIII and Pike.
4 – It could be a mixture of all the above because man whom were unable to have children in old times were considered to be physically weak and they lacked of manhood.
“Protector of Ra
Set was depicted standing on the prow of Ra's barge defeating the dark serpent Apep. In some Late Period representations, such as in the Persian Period Temple of Hibis at Khargah, Set was represented in this role with a falcon's head, taking on the guise of Horus. In the Amduat, Set is described as having a key role in overcoming Apep.”
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52c3c9 No.13494067
>>13486364
(Please read from the start)
>> We’ve already seen this, so I’m not going to repeat myself. I just want to point out that the Amduat is a text from the New Kingdom of Egypt, meaning it’s extremely advanced in date terms, which in turn means a lot of mutation and variations might have occurred and it cannot be taken as a pure, original source close to the point of origin. With each new generation, more ancient knowledge is lost or changed. The up-coming section is a good proof of what I’ve been trying to say about the mutation that occurs with each new generation.
“Set in the Second Intermediate and Ramesside Periods
During the Second Intermediate Period (1650–1550 BCE), a group of Near Eastern peoples, known as the Hyksos (literally, "rulers of foreign lands") gained control of Lower Egypt, and ruled the Nile Delta, from Avaris. They chose Set, originally Upper Egypt's chief god, the god of foreigners and the god they found most similar to their own chief god, Hadad, as their patron. Set then became worshiped as the chief god once again. The Hyksos King Apophis is recorded as worshiping Set exclusively, as described in the following passage:
[He] chose for his Lord the god Seth. He did not worship any other deity in the whole land except Seth.
— Papyrus Sallier 1 (Apophis and Sekenenre)
Jan Assmann argues that because the ancient Egyptians could never conceive of a "lonely" god lacking personality, Seth the desert god, who was worshiped on his own, represented a manifestation of evil.
When Ahmose I overthrew the Hyksos and expelled them, in c. 1522 BCE, Egyptians' attitudes towards Asiatic foreigners became xenophobic, and royal propaganda discredited the period of Hyksos rule. The Set cult at Avaris flourished, nevertheless, and the Egyptian garrison of Ahmose stationed there became part of the priesthood of Set.
The founder of the Nineteenth Dynasty, Ramesses I came from a military family from Avaris with strong ties to the priesthood of Set. Several of the Ramesside kings were named after the god, most notably Seti I (literally, "man of Set") and Setnakht (literally, "Set is strong"). In addition, one of the garrisons of Ramesses II held Set as its patron deity, and Ramesses II erected the so-called "Four Hundred Years' Stele" at Pi-Ramesses, commemorating the 400th anniversary of the Set cult in the Nile delta.
Set also became associated with foreign gods during the New Kingdom, particularly in the delta. Set was also identified by the Egyptians with the Hittite deity Teshub, who, like Set, was a storm god.”
>> See what I mean here anons?! This is a much later date when the original ancient knowledge was forgotten or lost and when foreign influence was brought in and things got all mixed up.
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52c3c9 No.13494134
>>13494067
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Feels like Hadad is a ThunderBird, so how can the god of dry land and disorder bring rain and fertility to the land? It’s very obvious that Seth is a member of the Horned Serpent warriors….he cannot be a ThunderBird warrior, unless he stole some of their technology and integrated it to his own armor. There is also a possibility that SOME ThunderBirds being traitors to their own clan and spying for the great evil or are kinda of infiltration to weaken the ThunderBirds and get information out, for the war. But still, Hadad was a Thunder and rain manipulator, just like we know the ThunderBirds were. So how can a sky deity be mixed with a chaos/death deity? This is probably a mutation and a misunderstanding from later generation.We will have to take a better look at Hadad when the time comes before being a 100% sure about this issue.
“The demonization of Set
According to Herman te Velde, the demonization of Set took place after Egypt's conquest by several foreign nations in the Third Intermediate and Late Periods. Set, who had traditionally been the god of foreigners, thus also became associated with foreign oppressors, including the Assyrian and Persian empires. It was during this time that Set was particularly vilified, and his defeat by Horus widely celebrated.
Set's negative aspects were emphasized during this period. Set was the killer of Osiris, having hacked Osiris' body into pieces and dispersed it so that he could not be resurrected. The Greeks would later associate Set with Typhon, a monstrous and evil force of raging nature. Both were sons of deities representing the Earth (Gaia and Geb) who attacked the principal deities (Osiris for Set, Zeus for Typhon).
Nevertheless, throughout this period, in some outlying regions of Egypt, Set was still regarded as the heroic chief deity.”
>> This is going extremely in the wrong direction anons. I think Herman te Velde has stretched it a bit too much. Not all of us agree with him and his interpretation of Seth. From the get go, Seth was seen as the deity who slain Osiris and cut him to many pieces. This myth was at the very beginning of Ancient Egypt itself. Everything else is how the worship of Seth evolved with time….and yes, foreign influence might have happened….but this is correct for later periods, not at the start = pre-dynastic era. And this is why I keep on saying to anons to remain as close as possible to the starting point. Modern day interpretations also bring their spices to the mix and make things even more entangled.
It’s also amazing how Osiris was cut to piece just like Amma did for one of the Nommo.
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13cb21 No.13501139
>>13494134
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“Set temples
Set was worshipped at the temples of Ombos (Nubt near Naqada) and Ombos (Nubt near Kom Ombo), at Oxyrhynchus in upper Egypt, and also in part of the Fayyum area.
[…]”
Since I’m here, I’m going to go through the other “actors” in this “play”. Let’s start with Osiris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris
“Osiris (/oʊˈsaɪrɪs/, from Egyptian wsjr) is the god of fertility, agriculture, the afterlife, the dead, resurrection, life, and vegetation in ancient Egyptian religion. He was classically depicted as a green-skinned deity with a pharaoh's beard, partially mummy-wrapped at the legs, wearing a distinctive atef crown, and holding a symbolic crook and flail. He was one of the first to be associated with the mummy wrap. When his brother, Set, cut him up into pieces after killing him, Isis, his wife, found all the pieces and wrapped his body up, enabling him to return to life. Osiris was at times considered the eldest son of the earth god Geb and the sky goddess Nut, as well as being brother and husband of Isis, with Horus being considered his posthumously begotten son. He was also associated with the epithet Khenti-Amentiu, meaning "Foremost of the Westerners", a reference to his kingship in the land of the dead.Through syncretism with Iah, he is also a god of the Moon.
Osiris can be considered the brother of Isis, Set, Nephthys, and Horus the Elder, and father of Horus the Younger. The first evidence of the worship of Osiris was found in the middle of the Fifth Dynasty of Egypt (25th century BC), although it is likely that he was worshiped much earlier; the Khenti-Amentiu epithet dates to at least the First Dynasty, and was also used as a pharaonic title. Most information available on the Osiris myth is derived from allusions contained in the Pyramid Texts at the end of the Fifth Dynasty, later New Kingdom source documents such as the Shabaka Stone and the "The Contendings of Horus and Seth", and much later, in narrative style from the writings of Greek authors including Plutarch and Diodorus Siculus.”
>> Be careful when reading both Roman sources, mostly Plutarch – remember how I nicknamed him the Roman CNN? So take everything they say with a huge grain of salt. If possible, try to verify everything they say. I did it with Plutarch when reading about Tigran II the Great, and this is how I found out how biased he was.
“Osiris was the judge of the dead and the underworld, and the agency that granted all life, including sprouting vegetation and the fertile flooding of the Nile River. He was described as "He Who is Permanently Benign and Youthful" and the "Lord of Silence". The kings of Egypt were associated with Osiris in death – as Osiris rose from the dead so they would be in union with him, and inherit eternal life through a process of imitative magic. Osiris was the judge of the dead and the underworld, and the agency that granted all life, including sprouting vegetation and the fertile flooding of the Nile River. He was described as "He Who is Permanently Benign and Youthful" and the "Lord of Silence". The kings of Egypt were associated with Osiris in death – as Osiris rose from the dead so they would be in union with him, and inherit eternal life through a process of imitative magic.”
>> This is very close to Christian beliefs about Jesus Christ resurrecting from death, crushing evil by defeating death itself. Bringing us eternal life and through Him we will be united with our Heavenly Father. He is the path, He is the way.
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13cb21 No.13501180
>>13501139
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“Through the hope of new life after death, Osiris began to be associated with the cycles observed in nature, in particular vegetation and the annual flooding of the Nile, through his links with the heliacal rising of Orion and Sirius at the start of the new year. Osiris was widely worshipped until the decline of ancient Egyptian religion during the rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire.”
>>Linked to Orion and Sirius: Don’t forget anons that the cult of Osiris began very early on = confirmed since the Fifth Dynasty from the Old Kingdom – suspected since the First Dynasty from the Old Kingdom because of the Khenti-Amentiu epithet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khenti-Amentiu
“Etymology of the name
Osiris is a Latin transliteration of the Ancient Greek Ὄσιρις IPA: [ó.siː.ris], which in turn is the Greek adaptation of the original name in the Egyptian language. In Egyptian hieroglyphs the name appears as wsjr, which some Egyptologists instead choose to transliterate ꜣsjr or jsjrj. Since hieroglyphic writing lacks vowels, Egyptologists have vocalized the name in various ways, such as Asar, Ausar, Ausir, Wesir, Usir, or Usire.”
>> See how much etymology is important anons. Strangely, the original (before it got disfigured by the Greeks) name of Osiris reminds me of the Phoenician Azor from Eshmun-Azor (page 2); as in Asar and Azor. I don’t know if anons know of this but Eshmun-Azor is a composed name = made of 2 first names = Eshmun and Azor or as the locals call it = Azar.
“Several proposals have been made for the etymology and meaning of the original name; as Egyptologist Mark J. Smith notes, none are fully convincing. Most take wsjr as the accepted transliteration, following Adolf Erman:
• John Gwyn Griffiths (1980), "bearing in mind Erman's emphasis on the fact that the name must begin with an [sic] w", proposes a derivation from wsr with an original meaning of "The Mighty One".
• Kurt Sethe (1930) proposes a compound st-jrt, meaning "seat of the eye", in a hypothetical earlier form *wst-jrt; this is rejected by Griffiths on phonetic grounds.
• David Lorton (1985) takes up this same compound but explains st-jrt as signifying "product, something made", Osiris representing the product of the ritual mummification process.
• Wolfhart Westendorf (1987) proposes an etymology from wꜣst-jrt "she who bears the eye".
• Mark J. Smith (2017) makes no definitive proposals but asserts that the second element must be a form of jrj ("to do, make") (rather than jrt ("eye")).”
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8e2c1a No.13511074
>>13501180
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“However, recently alternative transliterations have been proposed:
• Yoshi Muchiki (1990) reexamines Erman's evidence that the throne hieroglyph in the word is to be read ws and finds it unconvincing, suggesting instead that the name should be read ꜣsjr on the basis of Aramaic, Phoenician, and Old South Arabian transcriptions, readings of the throne sign in other words, and comparison with ꜣst ("Isis").
• James P. Allen (2000) reads the word as jsjrt but revises the reading (2013) to jsjrj and derives it from js-jrj, meaning "engendering (male) principle".
“Appearance
Osiris is represented in his most developed form of iconography wearing the Atef crown, which is similar to the White crown of Upper Egypt, but with the addition of two curling ostrich feathers at each side. He also carries the crook and flail. The crook is thought to represent Osiris as a shepherd god. The symbolism of the flail is more uncertain with shepherds whip, fly-whisk, or association with the god Andjety of the ninth nome of Lower Egypt proposed.
He was commonly depicted as a pharaoh with a complexion of either green (the color of rebirth) or black (alluding to the fertility of the Nile floodplain) in mummiform (wearing the trappings of mummification from chest downward).
Early mythology
The Pyramid Texts describe early conceptions of an afterlife in terms of eternal travelling with the sun god amongst the stars. Amongst these mortuary texts, at the beginning of the Fourth Dynasty, is found: "An offering the king gives and Anubis". By the end of the Fifth Dynasty, the formula in all tombs becomes "An offering the king gives and Osiris".
>> Did anons notice: “afterlife in terms of eternal travelling with the sun god amongst the stars”. No matter how you turn this or take it, this is BIG and telling a LOT. It’s the Sun god whom takes us traveling among the stars as a way for eternal life.
“Father of Horus
Osiris is the mythological father of the god Horus, whose conception is described in the Osiris myth (a central myth in ancient Egyptian belief). The myth describes Osiris as having been killed by his brother Set, who wanted Osiris' throne. His wife, Isis, finds the body of Osiris and hides it in the reeds where it is found and dismembered by Set. Isis retrieves and joins the fragmented pieces of Osiris, then briefly revives him by use of magic. This spell gives her time to become pregnant by Osiris. Isis later gives birth to Horus. Since Horus was born after Osiris' resurrection, Horus became thought of as a representation of new beginnings and the vanquisher of the usurper Set.”
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8e2c1a No.13511119
>>13511074
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“Ptah-Seker (who resulted from the identification of the creator god Ptah with Seker) thus gradually became identified with Osiris, the two becoming Ptah-Seker-Osiris. As the sun was thought to spend the night in the underworld, and was subsequently "reborn" every morning, Ptah-Seker-Osiris was identified as king of the underworld, god of the afterlife, life, death, and regeneration.”
>> So there is a merger of 3 deities by later generations. This is what I keep repeating and warning anons from. Osiris is king of the underworld not because he is evil like Nergal and Ningishdiza or Ninurta. I think he is more like how Jesus died and went to the afterlife to break the chains of death. Do not forget anons that Osiris is the FIRST Pharroh to die and be mummified.
“Ram god
Osiris' soul, or rather his Ba, was occasionally worshipped in its own right, almost as if it were a distinct god, especially in the Delta city of Mendes. This aspect of Osiris was referred to as Banebdjedet, which is grammatically feminine (also spelt "Banebded" or "Banebdjed"), literally "the ba of the lord of the djed, which roughly means The soul of the lord of the pillar of continuity. The djed, a type of pillar, was usually understood as the backbone of Osiris.”
>> We’ve already seen the Djed. It’s interesting how the Eye of Ra is a biological part of Ra and the Djed is a biological part of Osiris – at least this is how it’s presented to us via mythology.
“The Nile supplying water, and Osiris (strongly connected to the vegetable regeneration) who died only to be resurrected, represented continuity and stability. As Banebdjed, Osiris was given epithets such as Lord of the Sky and Life of the (sun god) Ra. Ba does not mean "soul" in the western sense, and has to do with power, reputation, force of character, especially in the case of a god.”
>> Those are terribly interesting epithets we have here anons. It speaks volumes of itself, so there is no need for me to comment. As for the Ba, could it be the SPIRIT. A lot o people confuse and/or mix the two, but they are different.
“Since the ba was associated with power, and also happened to be a word for ram in Egyptian, Banebdjed was depicted as a ram, or as Ram-headed. A living, sacred ram was kept at Mendes and worshipped as the incarnation of the god, and upon death, the rams were mummified and buried in a ram-specific necropolis. Banebdjed was consequently said to be Horus' father, as Banebdjed was an aspect of Osiris.
Regarding the association of Osiris with the ram, the god's traditional crook and flail are the instruments of the shepherd, which has suggested to some scholars also an origin for Osiris in herding tribes of the upper Nile.”
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98c1f2 No.13516352
>>13511119
(Please read from the start)
>> The more I read about Osiris, the more I see similarities with Jesus Christ = another Shepard whom won over death and resurrected on the third day. We also saw another “Shep” from the animation music videos of Daft Punk, called Interstella 5555. Shep left his physical body and then kept on protecting the Crescendolls as a spirit.
“Mythology
Plutarch recounts one version of the Osiris myth in which Set (Osiris' brother), along with the Queen of Ethiopia, conspired with 72 accomplices to plot the assassination of Osiris. Set fooled Osiris into getting into a box, which Set then shut, sealed with lead, and threw into the Nile. Osiris' wife, Isis, searched for his remains until she finally found him embedded in a tamarisk tree trunk, which was holding up the roof of a palace in Byblos on the Phoenician coast. She managed to remove the coffin and retrieve her husband's body.”
>> I call Plutarch the Roman CNN. He is very biased when talking about “foreign” people, mostly other rulers or intellectuals. He always paints “foreign” rulers in a bad light making them look like barbaric despots, cruel dictators. He is accurate though in descriptions he makes of clothing and places. I’ve verified this myself when doing research on Tigran II the Great. Anons can do it themselves.
Strangely, the historical Plutarch reminds of Plutarch Heavensbee: the one from the movie series called the Hunger Games. The president of district 13 = Alma Coin is a cold, rigid and unappealing woman when it comes to her T.V. image. So in order to sway public opinion in her favor and the favor of their cause = the rebellion; Plutarch coached her, wrote her speeches and improved her public appeal image – alongside using Katnis image and improving her image as well. Plutarch is a master illusionist, a manipulator of images and an expert in propaganda footage. And this is how I kinda see the historical Plutarch…there are commons points to both of them in this issue = they both advance the issues that are of interest to them = image manipulators. You think the character of Heavensbee was inspired by the historical Plutarch? And….just a thought for now: Do you think the historical Plutarch is one of (((them))) or at least worked for (((them)))? More to think about.
First thing that caught my attention is that according to Plutarch there was a lady involved = the queen of Ethiopia. I’m curious about something: why Ethiopia? There is always this “mythical” story or legend about King Solomon’s descendant being in Ethiopia, despite this not being proven at all and it’s surrounded with fog. So again, why Ethiopia?
The second thing that caught my attention in that paragraph is the number of co-conspirators = 72. What does that number point to? The first thing that popped into my mind is that 72 = 12x6. Strange isn’t it? That makes it a (6+6)x6 = 72. Isn’t that the 6 – 6 – 6 (((they))) are soooo fond of?
We have 12 times 6 to make 72, right? If we take the Head and the 12 = doesn’t that make it 1 + 12 = 13? And if we add the lady = supposedly the queen of Ethiopia, then that makes it a total of 14, right? But nowadays Bloodlines are 13 families, not 14 and strangely enough (((they))) are composed = made of 12 Big Families and the 13th one is top = the HEAD. The 12 primary families serve or are at the service of the 13th one = the one I believe and call as the Merovingian Bloodline.
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98c1f2 No.13516383
>>13516352
(Please read from the start)
It seems that each primary family had 6 sub-families or secondary family at their service, serving under (((them))). At least this is what I’m understanding from this information provided by Plutarch. And I am also getting from this paragraph that the Merovingian Bloodline is non-other than Seth’s descendants. It’s amazing isn’t it?
How did this information got to Plutarch? Did he read some “secret” document? Or was he part of the cult himself? Or was he ordered to write this as in him working for (((them)))? Can this information provided by Plutarch be trusted? Well, as I just said, Plutarch should be handled extremely carefully. But what got me into thinking this number must be real are 2 things:
1 – Nergal was a co-conspirator and he worked as a secondary position, not a primary conspirator. He worked with Ninurta and the others. He was also from the Scorpion Clan, not the prime Horned Serpent Clan, which indicates that other clans joined ranks with the Horned Serpent, but since they were following the orders of the Horned Serpent = as in his plan, that puts them in a secondary position, aiding the main Evil = helping him realize his plan to overtake the throne. So this fits with what Plutarch is hinting to.
2 – Nowadays Bloodlines are 13 primary families = 12 at the service of the 13th one. But if I’m not mistaking, there are also secondary families as in sub-families that in turn serve the 12 primary families. I’ve read about this once, but I don’t remember their exact number in total. What I’m trying to say is that the composition = how (((their))) pyramid is made up nowadays is identical to what Plutarch might be hinting to when giving the number 72. So does this mean that the 72 families that conspired with the Great Evil one are nowadays Cabal = Bloodlines ancestors? I don’t know about you anons, but this is how it looks to me. Strangely, seems Plutarch is accurate in the number of conspirators he provided to us = I’m saying this solely based on nowadays Bloodlines. I might be wrong, I won’t deny that. Of course this needs further verification. But if this turns out to be true, then it begs the questions = what did Plutarch exactly know? Did current day Bloodlines get this information from Plutarch or did Plutarch get this information from Roman times Bloodline? Which is it?
So according to Plutarch, Seth wanted to kill Osiris and he conspired with 72 others to do so. He tricked Osiris (deceit, lies, subterfuge etc.) into laying down in a BOX – not a coffin, but a box – which was sealed by him with lead – interesting choice of metal, which reminds me how Superman is unable to see through lead, if I’m not mistaking. The box was thrown into the waters of the Nile River but we don’t know how Osiris died. Was it from suffocation? Did he drown? Was he bleeding to death in the box? We don’t have any details on this part.
It’s the devoted wife of the dead king = Isis who searched for him and found him in Phoenicia: in a wood trunk of the Byblos’ king palace roof. After removing her husband from the “coffin” = now it becomes a coffin – she revives him but we don’t know how she does that.
Anons, I’ve said this before and I’m going to say it one more time: forget what you know = if you want to hold on to what you think you know, then this thread is not for you to read. Stop reading if you are entrenched in what you think you know. And this goes for what you MAY THINK to know about Osiris, Isis, Seth, Horus and what happened between them.
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240355 No.13525260
>>13516383
(Please read from the start)
“In one version of the myth, Isis used a spell to briefly revive Osiris so he could impregnate her. After embalming and burying Osiris, Isis conceived and gave birth to their son, Horus. Thereafter Osiris lived on as the god of the underworld. Because of his death and resurrection, Osiris was associated with the flooding and retreating of the Nile and thus with the yearly growth and death of crops along the Nile valley.”
>> It is believe that Osiris is the first ever embalming and mummified person ever in Ancient Egypt.
According to the myth, regardless if Osiris is chopped to death by Seth or if he was killed by being trapped in a box – Isis is the one to revive him via spell or simply put = magic. I don’t know what it exactly means, but this remind me of the healing beds we’ve seen before in this thread. This is a possibility, nothing more. I’m not surprised to see Horus = the Bird of Prey deity = fighter and protector of mankind – supposedly be born after the death of Osiris and his reanimation by Isis. Because from the Native Americans we already know that many battles took place AFTER the Flood water receded. The fight didn’t stop with the cataclysm and the good warriors kept on confronting and eliminating the bad warriors after the disaster occurred. And I think this is what Horus represents, including his LONG battle with Seth AFTER the death of Osiris. It’s like Isis gave “the go” order for the ThunderBirds to take down the Horned Serpents.
As for Osiris being the ruler of the underworld, well, that doesn’t surprise me at all, mostly when I’m reminded on how Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, went to the underworld = or should I say broke the gates of death…and he came back = resurrected.
“Diodorus Siculus gives another version of the myth in which Osiris was described as an ancient king who taught the Egyptians the arts of civilization, including agriculture, then travelled the world with his sister Isis, the satyrs, and the nine muses, before finally returning to Egypt. Osiris was then murdered by his evil brother Typhon, who was identified with Set. Typhon divided the body into twenty-six pieces, which he distributed amongst his fellow conspirators in order to implicate them in the murder. Isis and Hercules (Horus) avenged the death of Osiris and slew Typhon. Isis recovered all the parts of Osiris' body, except the phallus, and secretly buried them. She made replicas of them and distributed them to several locations, which then became centres of Osiris worship.”
>> Interesting isn’t it anons, how the details or should I say the cause of death of Osiris changed from Plutarch to Diodorus Siculus? So according to Diodorus Seth personally killed Osiris and chopped him into 26 pieces and gave these pieces to his co-conspirators in order to implicate them in the murder of the old king. Isn’t that cannibalism anons? By eating Osiris, did the ancestors of the Bloodlines = the plotters – think (((they))) will take the life force of Osiris; or should I say his POWER? Do you remember what I said before about the Stargate?
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240355 No.13525334
>>13525260
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Only a special blood can open it: and as talked about in pages 575 and 701, a very specific TYPE of Blood, more like a special D.N.A. Code is needed in order to open that Stargate and have the POWER. Yes anons, that’s the Blood = genes = D.N.A. of the murdered King. Only the King of Atlantis and his direct descendants can open that Stargate and they hold tremendous powers, other type of powers.
So how did the Bloodlines get a hold of that power? = I’m saying this because (((they))) believe (((they))) can open the portal, meaning (((they))) have the required D.N.A. to do it. But really, how did (((they))) get that D.N.A.?
1 - Did the Great Evil = the ancestor of the Merovingian Bloodline = the one whom wanted to overthrow the king, marry the King’s sister or daughter? = a close blood relative to the king? If this method was used, then yes, the descendants of that Great Evil do have, at least partially, a D.N.A. code close to the one of the king, since they are blood relatives.
2 – Did the Great Evil simply ate the king and by doing so, thinks he mixed his D.N.A. with that of the king, which makes him legitimate? I don’t know, but don’t forget anons, these people are sick, mostly in the head. Could this be the reason behind nowadays Bloodline cannibalism practice? Is this the reason why the Mesoamerican, mostly the Atecs, used to cut out the heart of the sacrificial victim? Loads to think about.
Another interesting point is the number 26. Strangely, that makes it two times 13. Does this mean each co-conspirator got 2 pieces of Osiris to eat? Hercules is associated to Horus and Seth to Typhon according to Diodorus, which is interesting mostly that Hercules was a demi god, son of Zeus and a mortal lady. He has tremendous physical powers and was under the patronage and protection of Athena. He was deified after his death due to his achievements. I rather not go into it for now and leave it when I reach the Greek section.
By saying that Isis was unable to find her husband’s phallus Diodorus, introduced a sexual component to the myth. It’s also notable how Osiris “traveled” around the world teaching mankind about civilization, agriculture etc. This is identical to what we found about Bochica, Viracocha and anons already know how these 2 are linked to Quetzalcoatl. Strange, but all of these persons have the exact same characteristics and the tales about them are similar = extremely close to one another in their nature and core. And all of them remind me of Jesus Christ. So….are we dealing with ONE person here whom everyone on earth seems to know about? Or is it multiple persons with the same abilities = coming from the same family/clan that are scattered all over the world? More brain wrecking to do here anons.
It’s interesting how we have 2 versions of the death of Osiris. Two very different accounts. The details on each are way off, but I guess the core is the same = an Evil person, a relative to the king, wanted to take the throne. He conspired with others, one female was among them. He killed the king which was revived for a short period by his wife = the queen. After that, a battle took place between the heir and the usurper, which symbolizes the battle between good and evil. Oh! And we have 2 ladies in this myth: a good lady whom helps the good warriors and a bad lady whom helped the bad warriors.
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1ca51e No.13530832
>>13525334
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“Worship
Annual ceremonies were performed in honor of Osiris in various places across Egypt. These ceremonies were fertility rites which symbolised the resurrection of Osiris. […].
Death or transition and institution as god of the afterlife
Plutarch and others have noted that the sacrifices to Osiris were "gloomy, solemn, and mournful…" (Isis and Osiris, 69) and that the great mystery festival, celebrated in two phases, began at Abydos commemorating the death of the god, on the same day that grain was planted in the ground (Isis and Osiris, 13). The annual festival involved the construction of "Osiris Beds" formed in shape of Osiris, filled with soil and sown with seed. The germinating seed symbolized Osiris rising from the dead. An almost pristine example was found in the tomb of Tutankhamun.”
>> This is what I’ve been trying to tell about Plutarch: the details and descriptions he gives are accurate: in this case we have archaeological evidence in the tomb of king Tut; but he is biased when he gives “ his opinion” or “his view” on foreign rulers and personas. So be careful on how you work with his texts.
When reading about Osiris, I always get this impression that the Ancient Egyptians, at least the pre-dynastic ones, knew or were at least were aware of what happened to the old king = assassination and a coup attempt to overthrow him. But when you read the texts from Mesopotamia, mostly the Epic of Gilgamesh, there is no mention of this “coup” and assassination at all, despite the fact that they were aware of a big calamity striking the world. I wonder why is that? Could it be because of the geographic location, as in Mesopotamia being further away geographically from Atlantis? We already know that Ancient Egypt geographical location was part of the Antlantean kingdom, so this could explain as to how they got to be aware of the coup and the assassination. I don’t know, still thinking about this.
“The first phase of the festival was a public drama depicting the murder and dismemberment of Osiris, the search of his body by Isis, his triumphal return as the resurrected god, and the battle in which Horus defeated Set.”
>> I’ve already talked about the “dismemberment” and the other points before, so I’m not going to repeat them. But I will note out that back in the day, there was no newspapers, no television and certainly no internet; so public plays such as this were used to inform the people. This was not for leisure, entertainment purposes. These plays were in the place of the media and information tools we have nowadays = they were a way to not just to entertain the people but to also remind them of what happened and educate each new generation to the events that took place = reminding them of the history.
“According to Julius Firmicus Maternus of the fourth century, this play was re-enacted each year by worshippers who "beat their breasts and gashed their shoulders…. When they pretend that the mutilated remains of the god have been found and rejoined…they turn from mourning to rejoicing." (De Errore Profanarum Religionum).
The passion of Osiris was reflected in his name 'Wenennefer" ("the one who continues to be perfect"), which also alludes to his post mortem power.”
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1ca51e No.13530847
>>13530832
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“Ikhernofret Stela
Much of the extant information about the rites of Osiris can be found on the Ikhernofret Stela at Abydos erected in the Twelfth Dynasty by Ikhernofret, possibly a priest of Osiris or other official (the titles of Ikhernofret are described in his stela from Abydos) during the reign of Senwosret III (Pharaoh Sesostris, about 1875 BC). The ritual reenactment of Osiris's funeral rites were held in the last month of the inundation (the annual Nile flood), coinciding with Spring, and held at Abydos which was the traditional place where the body of Osiris drifted ashore after having been drowned in the Nile.”
>> This is very late chronologically = very far away from the starting point, so this mean the understanding of things and the truth might have changed and/or mutated with each new generation.
“The part of the myth recounting the chopping up of the body into 14 pieces by Set is not recounted in this particular stela. Although it is attested to be a part of the rituals by a version of the Papyrus Jumilhac, in which it took Isis 12 days to reassemble the pieces, coinciding with the festival of ploughing. Some elements of the ceremony were held in the temple, while others involved public participation in a form of theatre. The Stela of Ikhernofret recounts the programme of events of the public elements over the five days of the Festival:
• The First Day, The Procession of Wepwawet: A mock battle was enacted during which the enemies of Osiris are defeated. A procession was led by the god Wepwawet ("opener of the way").
• The Second Day, The Great Procession of Osiris: The body of Osiris was taken from his temple to his tomb. The boat he was transported in, the "Neshmet" bark, had to be defended against his enemies.
• The Third Day: Osiris is Mourned and the Enemies of the Land are Destroyed.
• The Fourth Day, Night Vigil: Prayers and recitations are made and funeral rites performed.
• The Fifth Day, Osiris is Reborn: Osiris is reborn at dawn and crowned with the crown of Ma'at. A statue of Osiris is brought to the temple”
>> In the Catholic Church rites of Easter, we do the same as in we repeat each year at a specific time = mostly in Spring, we repeat the same rituals and events in remembrance of Palms Sunday and mostly of Easter = the Passion, the Crucifixion and then the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Everything that happens during the Holy Week is for us to remember the sacrifice Jesus did to save us.
What you see in this yearly Osiris rituals and festivities is of the same nature. It’s for the people to remember the death and then the resurrection of the old king.
“Wheat and clay rituals
Contrasting with the public "theatrical" ceremonies sourced from the I-Kher-Nefert stele (from the Middle Kingdom), more esoteric ceremonies were performed inside the temples by priests. Plutarch mentions that (for much later period) two days after the beginning of the festival "the priests bring forth a sacred chest containing a small golden coffer, into which they pour some potable water…and a great shout arises from the company for joy that Osiris is found (or resurrected). Then they knead some fertile soil with the water…and fashion therefrom a crescent-shaped figure, which they cloth and adorn, this indicating that they regard these gods as the substance of Earth and Water." (Isis and Osiris, 39). Yet his accounts were still obscure, for he also wrote, "I pass over the cutting of the wood" – opting not to describe it, since he considered it as a most sacred ritual (Ibid. 21).”
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1ca51e No.13531779
>>13530847
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“In the Osirian temple at Denderah, an inscription (translated by Budge, Chapter XV, Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection) describes in detail the making of wheat paste models of each dismembered piece of Osiris to be sent out to the town where each piece is discovered by Isis. At the temple of Mendes, figures of Osiris were made from wheat and paste placed in a trough on the day of the murder, then water was added for several days, until finally the mixture was kneaded into a mold of Osiris and taken to the temple to be buried (the sacred grain for these cakes were grown only in the temple fields). Molds were made from the wood of a red tree in the forms of the sixteen dismembered parts of Osiris, the cakes of "divine" bread were made from each mold, placed in a silver chest and set near the head of the god with the inward parts of Osiris as described in the Book of the Dead (XVII).
Judgement
The idea of divine justice being exercised after death for wrongdoing during life is first encountered during the Old Kingdom in a Sixth Dynasty tomb containing fragments of what would be described later as the Negative Confessions performed in front of the 42 Assessors of Ma'at.
At death a person faced judgment by a tribunal of forty-two divine judges. If they led a life in conformance with the precepts of the goddess Ma'at, who represented truth and right living, the person was welcomed into the kingdom of Osiris. If found guilty, the person was thrown to the soul-eating demon Ammit and did not share in eternal life. The person who is taken by the devourer is subject first to terrifying punishment and then annihilated. These depictions of punishment may have influenced medieval perceptions of the inferno in hell via early Christian and Coptic texts. Purification for those who are considered justified may be found in the descriptions of "Flame Island", where they experience the triumph over evil and rebirth. For the damned, complete destruction into a state of non-being awaits, but there is no suggestion of eternal torture.
During the reign of Seti I, Osiris was also invoked in royal decrees to pursue the living when wrongdoing was observed but kept secret and not reported.”
>> I find the “Judgment” section very interesting. How did the Ancient Egyptians know this? I’ve always been fascinated how in Ancient Egypt the HEART was weight and not the soul or the spirit of a person. Strangely enough, I also believe this is true = what the heart contains is the scale on which you will be judged; as in if you have good intentions or bad intentions. We also have this idea in Christianity as in if you have a good heart, you will be in paradise.
https://carnegiemnh.org/sarcophagus-image-carnegie-museum-of-natural/
“The ancient Egyptians believed that the heart recorded all of the good and bad deeds of a person’s life, and was needed for judgment in the afterlife. After a person died, the heart was weighed against the feather of Maat (goddess of truth and justice). The scales were watched by Anubis (the jackal-headed god of embalming) and the results recorded by Thoth (the ibis-headed god of writing). If a person had led a decent life, the heart balanced with the feather and the person was rendered worthy to live forever in paradise with Osiris.”
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1ca51e No.13531835
>>13531779
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“Greco-Roman era
Hellenization
The early Ptolemaic kings promoted a new god, Serapis, who combined traits of Osiris with those of various Greek gods and was portrayed in a Hellenistic form. Serapis was often treated as the consort of Isis and became the patron deity of the Ptolemies' capital, Alexandria. Serapis's origins are not known. Some ancient authors claim the cult of Serapis was established at Alexandria by Alexander the Great himself, but most who discuss the subject of Serapis's origins give a story similar to that by Plutarch. Writing about 400 years after the fact, Plutarch claimed that Ptolemy I established the cult after dreaming of a colossal statue at Sinope in Anatolia. His councillors identified the statue as the Greek god Pluto and said that the Egyptian name for Pluto was Serapis. This name may have been a Hellenization of "Osiris-Apis".Osiris-Apis was a patron deity of the Memphite Necropolis and the father of the Apis bull who was worshipped there, and texts from Ptolemaic times treat "Serapis" as the Greek translation of "Osiris-Apis". But little of the early evidence for Serapis's cult comes from Memphis, and much of it comes from the Mediterranean world with no reference to an Egyptian origin for Serapis, so Mark Smith expresses doubt that Serapis originated as a Greek form of Osiris-Apis's name and leaves open the possibility that Serapis originated outside Egypt.”
>> Yes! The general consensus is that Serapis’ cult came from outside of Ancient Egypt and brought there with the Ptolemaic dynasty. Also I want to point out to anons how the Osirian cult mutated and was totally deformed in the Ptolemaic era. I’ve been saying this over and over: with each new generation a mutation occurs, things change and evolve taking us further away from the truth and the starting point.
“Destruction of cult
The cult of Isis and Osiris continued at Philae until at least the 450s CE, long after the imperial decrees of the late 4th century that ordered the closing of temples to "pagan" gods. Philae was the last major ancient Egyptian temple to be closed.”
>> This was generalized to the entire Roman Empire back then.
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7b5bff No.13540918
>>13531835
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Next we gotta check Isis, it won’t work without her since she is one of the Main Actors in this story. But I would like to remind anons to drop everything they think they already know. I will not follow Main Stream or Alternative History.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
“Isis (Ancient Egyptian: ꜣst; Coptic: Ēse; Classical Greek: Ἶσις Isis; Meroitic: Wos[a] or Wusa) was a major goddess in ancient Egyptian religion whose worship spread throughout the Greco-Roman world. Isis was first mentioned in the Old Kingdom (c. 2686–2181 BCE) as one of the main characters of the Osiris myth, in which she resurrects her slain husband, the divine king Osiris, and produces and protects his heir, Horus. She was believed to help the dead enter the afterlife as she had helped Osiris, and she was considered the divine mother of the pharaoh, who was likened to Horus. Her maternal aid was invoked in healing spells to benefit ordinary people. Originally, she played a limited role in royal rituals and temple rites, although she was more prominent in funerary practices and magical texts. She was usually portrayed in art as a human woman wearing a throne-like hieroglyph on her head. During the New Kingdom (c. 1550–1070 BCE), as she took on traits that originally belonged to Hathor, the preeminent goddess of earlier times, Isis was portrayed wearing Hathor's headdress: a sun disk between the horns of a cow.”
>> It’s normal for Isis to wear a throne like crown on her head because she was Osiris spouse; as in she was the queen. The cult of Isis is as old as the one of Osiris but in later period she got mixed with Hathor as mentioned in this paragraph. Anons shouldn’t forget that she was a daughter of the Sun as well.
“In the first millennium BCE, Osiris and Isis became the most widely worshipped Egyptian deities, and Isis absorbed traits from many other goddesses. Rulers in Egypt and its neighbor to the south, Nubia, built temples dedicated primarily to Isis, and her temple at Philae was a religious center for Egyptians and Nubians alike. Her reputed magical power was greater than that of all other gods, and she was said to protect the kingdom from its enemies, govern the skies and the natural world, and have power over fate itself.”
>> I’m not surprised at all to hear her worship was widespread along with Osiris. If she is whom I suspect her to be = the queen = wife of the great old king whom was slayed; then it’s not surprising to find she had special “powers” as well. Those powers were greater than the ones of the other gods.
When it’s said that Isis is said to protect the kingdom from its enemies it implies she was some type of guardian or a warrior….but….does this also imply in the same time that she was the head or the leader of the ThunderBirds? If she “gave birth” to Horus after the resurrection of Osiris does this mean she took charge of the ThunderBirds squadrons after the death of the King? This last point also merges with the idea she might be some type of high commander of the ThunderBirds.
When it’s said she governs the skies….isn’t that what was kinda said about the ThunderBirds in the Native American legend of them? Their dwelling was a floating mountain in the West Sky….something in that sense anyway. They ruled over the skies. So if Isis is their commander, doesn’t that make her the ruler of the sky as well? She is sometimes represented with wings after all. Doesn’t that make her part of the ThunderBirds or like them? We’ve already seen ThunderBird warrior ladies before, mostly the one from Nicaragua, so yes….it’s very likely Isis was some type of warrior ThunderBird Lady….maybe even their highest commander since she was the Queen = wife of Osiris.
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7b5bff No.13540981
>>13540918
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This also works for her governing the natural world, since it all depends on precipitation and the weather….Didn’t we also read with the Native American legend of the ThunderBirds, about them being able to control the weather….the one who controls the weather also controls the natural world doesn’t he? He is the one whom gives the rain to irrigate the land, he can Flood it or he can do the opposite = transform it into a dry, barren land. So I think in a sense, the ones whom rules over the skies also rule over the natural world….and this fits perfectly with the concept of sky/thunder deities being considered all over the world as fertility gods.
The last power Isis is said to have according to this paragraph is the power over fate itself. Does this mean she can control FATE? What is fate?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fate
“fate
noun
1 : the will or principle or determining cause by which things in general are believed to come to be as they are or events to happen as they do : destiny … fate sometimes deals a straight flush … he had no idea that he would become the right man in the right place at the right time …— June Goodfield
2a : an inevitable and often adverse outcome, condition, or end Her fate was to remain in exile.
[…]”
A lot of people think that FATE is the second option given by the Merriam-Wenster dictionary = as in a force or an outcome that they cannot do anything to avoid or change.
What if that is not the case? What if it was option 1? As in, what if you had a choice? What if you had a choice to choose your own Fate, your own Destiny by choosing which path you walk on? Isn’t that what Jesus Christ preached? Didn’t He tell us we have the power to make a choice = to choose between the good and the bad path? But….in the same time….wasn’t this the test Eve, then Adam failed to pass when they were tempted by the Serpent? = they made the wrong choice and chose to SIN.
Anons, mostly the young ones, might think I’m preaching or giving a moral lesson here, but I’m not. I’m saying this is true, this is very REAL. We have a choice and a WILL power, all of us. We can choose to be a sheep and wear a mask or we can choose to stand up to tyranny and oppression and not wear one. We can chose to stand up and defend an old person being harassed on a train ride, putting a stop to the evil being done. We can choose to give our seat on the bus to a pregnant lady when there are no seats available. We can choose to help a weak person carry their heavy bags. Yes…yes….those are tiny little things….but they hold tremendous power in them, real power, the power of the Holy Spirit…if we choose them, if we choose that path. Or we can just simply turn an eye and pretend nothing is taking place, look the other way and kill our own consciousness …. Surrendering to selfishness and evil. Like…did you choose to put an end to a war by pressuring some congressmen? I bet the answer is no. Why bother over something that is taking place so far away? But you see…you made a choice and that choice of yours sealed the FATE of many over there. Think about this, dear reader.
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7b5bff No.13541061
>>13540981
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But what if someone has so much Will Power to a point that it can have power = control over Fate itself and change it? What if Isis was that kind of person? A person so strong that she could choose which path to walk on and by doing so she could change the outcome = fate itself? Maybe the reader might think this is all gibberish from an old grandpa…but isn’t this what Qteam has been telling us all along? Isn’t this what Potus, Flotus, Gen. Flynn & others keep on telling us in many ways, shapes and forms? What is your choice? Do you wish to surrender to this evil ruling over us with tricks and deceit? Or do you wish to stand up and defeat this evil and vanquish it for all eternity? Aren’t they all telling us to control our own fate and not let it rest in the hands of some evil satanic bloodlines? This means, we all have that power within us, we simply forgot how to use it. So anons….think….and think deep…meditate….
“In the Hellenistic period (323–30 BCE), when Egypt was ruled and settled by Greeks, Isis was worshipped by Greeks and Egyptians, along with a new god, Serapis. Their worship diffused into the wider Mediterranean world. Isis's Greek devotees ascribed to her traits taken from Greek deities, such as the invention of marriage and the protection of ships at sea, and she retained strong links with Egypt and other Egyptian deities who were popular in the Hellenistic world, such as Osiris and Harpocrates. As Hellenistic culture was absorbed by Rome in the first century BCE, the cult of Isis became a part of Roman religion. Her devotees were a small proportion of the Roman Empire's population but were found all across its territories. Her following developed distinctive festivals such as the Navigium Isidis, as well as initiation ceremonies resembling those of other Greco-Roman mystery cults. Some of her devotees said she encompassed all feminine divine powers in the world.”
>> This is when the cult of Isis mutated the most and it was kinda hijacked by the Bloodlines and (((they))) made her (((their))) own. So be careful on which information you rely on anons. The closer you get to the source = oldest times, the closer you are to the truth. And if the reader hasn’t figured it out yet, the Greeks, the Hellenistic kingdoms and then the Romans (republic and empire) were all controlled by (((them))). This is when we LOST our history as mankind = when the Greek culture took over; and we’ve been living in this lie ever since.
“The worship of Isis was ended by the rise of Christianity in the fourth through sixth centuries CE. Her worship may have influenced Christian beliefs and practices such as the veneration of Mary, but the evidence for this influence is ambiguous and often controversial. Isis continues to appear in Western culture, particularly in esotericism and modern Paganism, often as a personification of nature or the feminine aspect of divinity.”
>> It’s obvious (((they))) knew whom she was, that’s why (((they))) “kidnaped”, hijacked her…just like what they did to the cross and other symbols. This is what I think anyway. And what we think we know in Pop culture nowadays about her, is nothing but a mutilation on top of a mutilation on top of a mutilation. Her image diverged so much from the original one that she got totally twisted. It’s a shame, I would have loved to get to know the real, authentic warrior queen. She reminds me of what Hippolyta, the queen of the Amazons, represents in the movie Wonder Woman.
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b15159 No.13550610
>>13541061
(Please read from the start)
“In Egypt and Nubia
Name and origins
Whereas some Egyptian deities appeared in the late Predynastic Period (before c. 3100 BCE), neither Isis nor her husband Osiris were mentioned by name before the Fifth Dynasty (c. 2494–2345 BCE). An inscription that may refer to Isis dates to the reign of Nyuserre Ini during that period,[ and she appears prominently in the Pyramid Texts, which began to be written down at the end of the dynasty and whose content may have developed much earlier. Several passages in the Pyramid Texts link Isis with the region of the Nile Delta near Behbeit el-Hagar and Sebennytos, and her cult may have originated there.”
>> This is rather interesting! So she came from Lower Egypt, while Osiris came from Upper Egypt. Interesting indeed!
“Many scholars have focused on Isis's name in trying to determine her origins. Her Egyptian name was ꜣst, which became (Ēse) in the Coptic form of Egyptian, Wusa in the Meroitic language of Nubia, and Ἶσις, on which her modern name is based, in Greek. The hieroglyphic writing of her name incorporates the sign for a throne, which Isis also wears on her head as a sign of her identity. The symbol serves as a phonogram, spelling the st sounds in her name, but it may have also represented a link with actual thrones. The Egyptian term for a throne was also st and may have shared a common etymology with Isis's name. Therefore, the Egyptologist Kurt Sethe suggested she was originally a personification of thrones. Henri Frankfort agreed, believing that the throne was considered the king's mother, and thus a goddess, because of its power to make a man into a king. Other scholars, such as Jürgen Osing and Klaus P. Kuhlmann, have disputed this interpretation, because of dissimilarities between Isis's name and the word for a throne or a lack of evidence that the throne was ever deified.”
>> Osing and Kuhlmann are correct. Not because we have a throne hieroglyph in her name does this mean she is a personification of thrones. They’ve got a good point when they say there is a lack of evidence that the throne was ever deified….it NEVER happened in Ancient Egypt = pre-dynastic or dynastic times. My interpretation of it is that it is synchronized with the meaning of Osiris.
From my old notes, I know this word is originally Phoenician. When I go to check it’s meaning online, they either direct me to Hebrew or to Persian, but not the Phoenician. I got this from a linguist by the way. I think the names of both deities = Osiris and Isis, the original Ancient Egyptian names are not name names….but are titles. I think one indicates that he is king and the second indicates she is queen. Isis, the old Egpytian word for it the “st” sound, doesn’t indicate her name but her position in society or her title = Queen. They are referring to her as Queen, which with time, was transformed into a name. I wonder if someone bothered to look the Phoenician origin of both words?
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b15159 No.13550660
>>13550610
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I’m not saying the Phoenician created Ancient Egypt. Don’t jump in your thinking. I’m saying there is a secret behind it and I will be explaining this later on. It took me a while, but I finally understand what happened.
If the explanation I just gave anons isn’t clear enough, then let me take an example from nowadays: when referring to Mr. and Mrs. Trump anons, including me, call them Potus and Flotus. It’s part of the jargon we are using on this board, right? But this is no way their name, their first name that is: Donald and Melania. So imagine a cataclysm occurs and anons make it out and there are no computers nor internet in the world after the disaster and you want to record things. When you want to preserve Mr. Trump legacy, presidential achievements you will write him down as Potus; as in you will go as: Potus did this, Potus said that etc. When later generations come and read the text, if they are not “warned” about the meaning of the word Potus, they will think this is Mr. Trump’s name.
So you see anons, I think this is what happened back then with Osiris and Isis (=their original Ancient Egyptian names, not the Greek version we use, I just used, nowadays)
“Roles
The cycle of myth surrounding Osiris's death and resurrection was first recorded in the Pyramid Texts and grew into the most elaborate and influential of all Egyptian myths. Isis plays a more active role in this myth than the other protagonists, so as it developed in literature from the New Kingdom (c. 1550–1070 BCE) to the Ptolemaic Period (305–30 BCE), she became the most complex literary character of all Egyptian deities. At the same time, she absorbed characteristics from many other goddesses, broadening her significance well beyond the Osiris myth.”
>> I’ve explained this many times before already about the mutation and how it changes from the origins. So I’m not going to repeat myself again, but I would like to point out this is another example of what I’m referring to: if interested anons can research how it developed and changed to our current day Pop culture of her.
“Wife and mourner
Isis is part of the Ennead of Heliopolis, a family of nine deities descended from the creator god, Atum or Ra. She and her siblings—Osiris, Set, and Nephthys—are the last generation of the Ennead, born to Geb, god of the earth, and Nut, goddess of the sky. The creator god, the world's original ruler, passes down his authority through the male generations of the Ennead, so that Osiris becomes king. Isis, who is Osiris's wife as well as his sister, is his queen.”
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58761d No.13551701
>>13540918
Like the eye of Sauron
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1d0291 No.13556616
>>13550660
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>> This paragraph is incredible and holds valuable information. It’s providing us with a family tree = genealogy of one family = the ruling family. We have at least 4 generations mentioned here, but I’m NOT sure if this is not the entire family tree.
I’ve also explained before that all of them are “children of the Sun” that makes them all brothers and sisters in a way….but I don’t think they were direct blood related siblings here, as in they did not practiced incest….not until the Great Evil one did it. So when they say Isis married her bother Osiris….I think it points to them being children of the Sun and not a brother marrying his sibling = direct blood relative = incest.
Lastly, I would like to point out that this genealogy and this generational tree is striking in its similarities with the one from Greek mythology. I said similar, but not identical because of some minor differences in the details; like Nut (female) is the sky in Ancient Egypt while Geb (male) is the Earth….in Greek mythology, Gaia (female) is the Earth and Uranus = Ouranos (male) is the sky.
“Set kills Osiris and, in several versions of the story, dismembers his corpse. Isis and Nephthys, along with other deities such as Anubis, search for the pieces of their brother's body and reassemble it. Their efforts are the mythic prototype for mummification and other ancient Egyptian funerary practices. According to some texts, they must also protect Osiris's body from further desecration by Set or his servants. Isis is the epitome of a mourning widow. Her and Nephthys's love and grief for their brother help restore him to life, as does Isis's recitation of magical spells. Funerary texts contain speeches by Isis in which she expresses her sorrow at Osiris's death, her sexual desire for him, and even anger that he has left her. All these emotions play a part in his revival, as they are meant to stir him into action. Finally, Isis restores breath and life to Osiris's body and copulates with him, conceiving their son, Horus. After this point Osiris lives on only in the Duat, or underworld. But by producing a son and heir to avenge his death and carry out funerary rites for him, Isis has ensured that her husband will endure in the afterlife.”
>> Yes, reassembling Osiris body and everything related to it was considered as the first ever mummification ever. I would like to point out that Seth had “servants” whom were also out there to “hurt” Osiris in some way or form; it wasn’t just Seth himself, but his “Servants” or “followers” as well. So the deities had to protect the remains of the king from Seth and his “group”.
As for the details given as to how Isis behaved and what she did and felt after Osiris’ death, I would ask anons to be careful with such details since there is an evolution = a mutation in the myth about the death of the king. Some details were inserted during the Middle kingdom and the New Kingdom eras.
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288dbf No.13563540
>>13556616
(Please read from the start)
“Isis's role in afterlife beliefs was based on that in the myth. She helped to restore the souls of deceased humans to wholeness as she had done for Osiris. Like other goddesses, such as Hathor, she also acted as a mother to the deceased, providing protection and nourishment. Thus, like Hathor, she sometimes took the form of Imentet, the goddess of the west, who welcomed the deceased soul into the afterlife as her child. But for much of Egyptian history, male deities such as Osiris were believed to provide the regenerative powers, including sexual potency, that were crucial for rebirth. Isis was thought to merely assist by stimulating this power. Feminine divine powers became more important in afterlife beliefs in the late New Kingdom. Various Ptolemaic funerary texts emphasize that Isis took the active role in Horus's conception by sexually stimulating her inert husband, some tomb decoration from the Roman period in Egypt depicts Isis in a central role in the afterlife, and a funerary text from that era suggests that women were thought able to join the retinue of Isis and Nephthys in the afterlife.”
>> Be careful of the information provided by the later eras. By the way,did anons noticed her clothes? Did you compare them with the body suit Wonder Woman is wearing under her ThunderBird armor? Please compare pictures of page 804 with picture of Isis page 848 and make up your own mind about it.
“Mother goddess
Isis is treated as the mother of Horus even in the earliest copies of the Pyramid Texts. Yet there are signs that Hathor was originally regarded as his mother, and other traditions make an elder form of Horus the son of Nut and a sibling of Isis and Osiris. Isis may only have come to be Horus's mother as the Osiris myth took shape during the Old Kingdom, but through her relationship with him she came to be seen as the epitome of maternal devotion.”
>> Well, I’m not surprised to hear this. I considered Isis as the leader or the queen in charge of the ThunderBirds. And if in the earlier texts Hathor was considered the original mother of Horus…then this support my thoughts about Isis.
“In the developed form of the myth, Isis gives birth to Horus, after a long pregnancy and a difficult labor, in the papyrus thickets of the Nile Delta. As her child grows she must protect him from Set and many other hazards—snakes, scorpions, and simple illness. In some texts, Isis travels among humans and must seek their help. According to one such story, seven minor scorpion deities travel with and guard her. They take revenge on a wealthy woman who has refused to help Isis by stinging the woman's son, making it necessary for the goddess to heal the blameless child. Isis's reputation as a compassionate deity, willing to relieve human suffering, contributed greatly to her appeal.”
>> Number 7 again. Here the 7 scorpions or the snakes can simply be referring to warriors/soldiers. There is a possibility these soldiers might either refer to the Sebetti or they might simply be 7 warriors from the Scorpion Clan, which we already know of its presence in Ancient Egypt due to Narmer.
“Isis continues to assist her son when he challenges Set to claim the kingship that Set has usurped, although mother and son are sometimes portrayed in conflict, as when Horus beheads Isis and she replaces her original head with that of a cow—an origin myth explaining the cow-horn headdress that Isis wears.”
>> I suggest anons handle these sections of the myth very carefully because we’ve already seen that it comes from a much later period, so a lot of mutations occurred.
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288dbf No.13563581
>>13563540
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“Isis's maternal aspect extended to other deities as well. The Coffin Texts from the Middle Kingdom (c. 2055–1650 BCE) say the Four sons of Horus, funerary deities who were thought to protect the internal organs of the deceased, were the offspring of Isis and the elder form of Horus. In the same era, Horus was syncretized with the fertility god Min, so Isis was regarded as Min's mother.A form of Min known as Kamutef, "bull of his mother", who represented the cyclical regeneration of the gods and of kingship, was said to impregnate his mother to engender himself.Thus, Isis was also regarded as Min's consort.The same ideology of kingship may lie behind a tradition, found in a few texts, that Horus raped Isis. Amun, the foremost Egyptian deity during the Middle and New Kingdoms, also took on the role of Kamutef, and when he was in this form, Isis often acted as his consort. Apis, a bull that was worshipped as a living god at Memphis, was said to be Isis's son, fathered by a form of Osiris known as Osiris-Apis. The biological mother of each Apis bull was thus known as the "Isis cow”.
A story in the Westcar Papyrus from the Middle Kingdom includes Isis among a group of goddesses who serve as midwives during the delivery of three future kings. She serves a similar role in New Kingdom texts that describe the divinely ordained births of reigning pharaohs.
In the Westcar Papyrus, Isis calls out the names of the three children as they are born. Barbara S. Lesko sees this story as a sign that Isis had the power to predict or influence future events, as did other deities who presided over birth, such as Shai and Renenutet. Texts from much later times call Isis "mistress of life, ruler of fate and destiny" and indicate she has control over Shai and Renenutet, just as other great deities such as Amun were said to do in earlier eras of Egyptian history. By governing these deities, Isis determined the length and quality of human lives.”
>> I’ve already explained this, so I’m not going there once more.
“Goddess of kingship and protection of the kingdom
Horus was equated with each living pharaoh and Osiris with the pharaoh's deceased predecessors. Isis was therefore the mythological mother and wife of kings. In the Pyramid Texts her primary importance to the king was as one of the deities who protected and assisted him in the afterlife. Her prominence in royal ideology grew in the New Kingdom. Temple reliefs from that time on show the king nursing at Isis's breast; her milk not only healed her child, but symbolized his divine right to rule. Royal ideology increasingly emphasized the importance of queens as earthly counterparts of the goddesses who served as wives to the king and mothers to his heirs. Initially the most important of these goddesses was Hathor, whose attributes in art were incorporated into queens' crowns. But because of her own mythological links with queenship, Isis too was given the same titles and regalia as human queens.”
>> This is information from later period, so be careful.
“Isis's actions in protecting Osiris against Set became part of a larger, more warlike aspect of her character. New Kingdom funerary texts portray Isis in the barque of Ra as he sails through the underworld, acting as one of several deities who subdue Ra's archenemy, Apep. Kings also called upon her protective magical power against human enemies. In her Ptolemaic temple at Philae, which lay near the frontier with Nubian peoples who raided Egypt, she was described as the protectress of the entire nation, more effective in battle than "millions of soldiers", supporting Ptolemaic kings and Roman emperors in their efforts to subdue Egypt's enemies.”
>> If what I’m suspecting about Isis turning out to be some type of leader or commander of the ThunderBirds, then she must be one heck of a fighter. But even if she wasn’t, for some reason, she is linked to them and I think this project the image of her being a protectress and a guardian/protection deity of the entire nation.
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245d19 No.13570088
>>13563581
(Please read from the start)
“Goddess of magic and wisdom
Isis was also known for her magical power, which enabled her to revive Osiris and to protect and heal Horus, and for her cunning. By virtue of her magical knowledge, she was said to be "more clever than a million gods". In several episodes in the New Kingdom story "The Contendings of Horus and Set", Isis uses these abilities to outmaneuver Set during his conflict with her son. On one occasion, she transforms into a young woman who tells Set she is involved in an inheritance dispute similar to Set's usurpation of Osiris's crown. When Set calls this situation unjust, Isis taunts him, saying he has judged himself to be in the wrong. In later texts, she uses her powers of transformation to fight and destroy Set and his followers.”
>> Seth and his followers…again, he wasn’t alone in his coup. I’m not surprised to read all of this about Isis, even if it all came from later period.
“Many stories about Isis appear as historiolae, prologues to magical texts that describe mythic events related to the goal that the spell aims to accomplish. In one spell, Isis creates a snake that bites Ra, who is older and greater than she is, and makes him ill with its venom. She offers to cure Ra if he will tell her his true, secret name—a piece of knowledge that carries with it incomparable power. After much coercion, Ra tells her his name, which she passes on to Horus, bolstering his royal authority.The story may be meant as an origin story to explain why Isis's magical ability surpasses that of other deities, but because she uses magic to subdue Ra, the story seems to treat her as having such abilities even before learning his name.”
>> This is from much later period, so I’m not going to comment much apart saying that for some reason, knowing one’s true name in Ancient time (no matter what the culture is) is believed to give a lot of power to the one who knows the name.
“Sky goddess
Many of the roles Isis acquired gave her an important position in the sky. Passages in the Pyramid Texts connect Isis closely with Sopdet, the goddess representing the star Sirius, whose relationship with her husband Sah—the constellation Orion—and their son Sopdu parallels Isis's relations with Osiris and Horus. Sirius's heliacal rising, just before the start of the Nile flood, gave Sopdet a close connection with the flood and the resulting growth of plants. Partly because of her relationship with Sopdet, Isis was also linked with the flood, which was sometimes equated with the tears she shed for Osiris.”
>> I love this paragraph. So according to the oldest text = pyramid texts Isis is closely associated with Sirius and Orion constellation. For me, this fits with the big story perfectly. I’m wondering about this flood. I know all about the ancient flooding of the Nile. But I’m wondering if there isn’t a second layer right under the obvious meaning. I’m not saying this is the case, but I’m just wondering if there aren’t any insinuations to her connection to the GREAT FLOOD = the cataclysm that hit the entire world.
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245d19 No.13570124
>>13570088
(Please read from the start)
“By Ptolemaic times she was connected with rain, which Egyptian texts call a "Nile in the sky"; with the sun as the protector of Ra's barque; and with the moon, possibly because she was linked with the Greek lunar goddess Artemis by a shared connection with an Egyptian fertility goddess, Bastet. In hymns inscribed at Philae she is called the "Lady of Heaven" whose dominion over the sky parallels Osiris's rule over the Duat and Horus's kingship on earth.
Universal goddess
In Ptolemaic times Isis's sphere of influence could include the entire cosmos. As the deity that protected Egypt and endorsed its king, she had power over all nations, and as the provider of rain, she enlivened the natural world. The Philae hymn that initially calls her ruler of the sky goes on to expand her authority, so at its climax her dominion encompasses the sky, earth, and Duat. It says her power over nature nourishes humans, the blessed dead, and the gods. Other, Greek-language hymns from Ptolemaic Egypt call her "the beautiful essence of all the gods".In the course of Egyptian history, many deities, major and minor, had been described in similar grand terms. Amun was most commonly described this way in the New Kingdom, whereas in Roman Egypt such terms tended to be applied to Isis. Such texts do not deny the existence of other deities but treat them as aspects of the supreme deity, a type of theology sometimes called "summodeism”.
In the Late, Ptolemaic, and Roman Periods, many temples contained a creation myth that adapted long-standing ideas about creation to give the primary roles to local deities. At Philae, Isis is described as the creator in the same way that older texts speak of the work of the god Ptah, who was said to have designed the world with his intellect and sculpted it into being. Like him, Isis formed the cosmos "through what her heart conceived and her hands created".
Like other deities throughout Egyptian history, Isis had many forms in her individual cult centers, and each cult center emphasized different aspects of her character. Local Isis cults focused on the distinctive traits of their deity more than on her universality, whereas some Egyptian hymns to Isis treat other goddesses in cult centers from across Egypt and the Mediterranean as manifestations of her. A text in her temple at Dendera says "in each nome it is she who is in every town, in every nome with her son Horus.”
Iconography
In Ancient Egyptian art, Isis was most commonly depicted as a woman with the typical attributes of a goddess: a sheath dress, a staff of papyrus in one hand, and an ankh sign in the other. Her original headdress was the throne sign used in writing her name. She and Nephthys often appear together, particularly when mourning Osiris's death, supporting him on his throne, or protecting the sarcophagi of the dead. In these situations their arms are often flung across their faces, in a gesture of mourning, or outstretched around Osiris or the deceased as a sign of their protective role.In these circumstances they were often depicted as kites or women with the wings of kites. This form may be inspired by a similarity between the kites' calls and the cries of wailing women, or by a metaphor likening the kite's search for carrion to the goddesses' search for their dead brother. Isis sometimes appeared in other animal forms: as a sow, representing her maternal character; as a cow, particularly when linked with Apis; or as a scorpion. She also took the form of a tree or a woman emerging from a tree, sometimes offering food and water to deceased souls. This form alluded to the maternal nourishment she provided.”
>> Aren’t Kites Birds of Prey? = ThunderBirds?
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66b6db No.13579089
>>13570124
(Please read from the start)
“Beginning in the New Kingdom, thanks to the close links between Isis and Hathor, Isis took on Hathor's attributes, such as a sistrum rattle and a headdress of cow horns enclosing a sun disk. Sometimes both headdresses were combined, so the throne glyph sat atop the sun disk. In the same era, she began to wear the insignia of a human queen, such as a vulture-shaped crown on her head and the royal uraeus, or rearing cobra, on her brow. In Ptolemaic and Roman times, statues and figurines of Isis often showed her in a Greek sculptural style, with attributes taken from Egyptian and Greek tradition. Some of these images reflected her linkage with other goddesses in novel ways. Isis-Thermuthis, a combination of Isis and Renenutet who represented agricultural fertility, was depicted in this style as a woman with the lower body of a snake. Figurines of a woman wearing an elaborate headdress and exposing her genitals may represent Isis-Aphrodite.”
>> This mutation totally disfigured the original Isis. See how (((they))) associated her with other goddesses attributes? Why combine her with a Snake while she was originally combined with a Kite = Bird of Prey? Why expose her genitals and combine her with Aphrodite? Isis was never a goddess of sex and love like Aphrodite. Did (((they))) do that because of New Kingdom passages where she is said to have resurrected Osiris just enough to conceive Horus? See anons, all of this is nothing but pure “made-up” attributes and combinations that never existed in Isis’ pure and original form. These are additives put there by later generations whom don’t know whom she was. And if I’m not mistaking, this is the Isis that was transmitted to us nowadays. This is what most anons and people know Isis to be, but she was never those things, never. It’s a huge distortion of her image we have. A HUGE one and we are all misguided and there is a misconception about her.
“The tyet symbol, a looped shape similar to the ankh, came to be seen as Isis's emblem at least as early as the New Kingdom, though it existed long before. It was often made of red jasper and likened to Isis's blood. Used as a funerary amulet, it was said to confer her protection on the wearer.”
>> The next section is about Isis’ role and connection to the LIVING royal couple and family. So be careful of how you read and understand it, mostly the later periods.
“Worship
Relationship with royalty
Despite her significance in the Osiris myth, Isis was originally a minor deity in the ideology surrounding the living king. She played only a small role, for instance, in the Dramatic Ramesseum Papyrus, the script for royal rituals performed in the reign of Senusret I in the Middle Kingdom. Her importance grew during the New Kingdom, when she was increasingly connected with Hathor and the human queen.”
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66b6db No.13579160
>>13579089
(Please read from the start)
“The early first millennium BCE saw an increased emphasis on the family triad of Osiris, Isis, and Horus and an explosive growth in Isis's popularity. In the fourth century BCE, Nectanebo I of the Thirtieth Dynasty claimed Isis as his patron deity, tying her still more closely to political power. The Kingdom of Kush, which ruled Nubia from the eighth century BCE to the fourth century CE, absorbed and adapted the Egyptian ideology surrounding kingship. It equated Isis with the kandake, the queen or queen mother of the Kushite king.
The Ptolemaic Greek kings, who ruled Egypt as pharaohs from 305 to 30 BCE, developed an ideology that linked them with both Egyptian and Greek deities, to strengthen their claim to the throne in the eyes of their Greek and Egyptian subjects. For centuries before, Greek colonists and visitors to Egypt had drawn parallels between Egyptian deities and their own, in a process known as interpretatio graeca. Herodotus, a Greek who wrote about Egypt in the fifth century BCE, likened Isis to Demeter, whose mythical search for her daughter Persephone resembled Isis's search for Osiris. Demeter was one of the few Greek deities to be widely adopted by Egyptians in Ptolemaic times, so the similarity between her and Isis provided a link between the two cultures. In other cases, Isis was linked with Aphrodite through the sexual aspects of her character. Building on these traditions, the first two Ptolemies promoted the cult of the new god Serapis, who combined aspects of Osiris and Apis with those of Greek gods such as Zeus and Dionysus. Isis, portrayed in a Hellenized form, was regarded as the consort of Serapis as well as of Osiris. Ptolemy II and his sister and wife Arsinoe II developed a ruler cult around themselves, so that they were worshipped in the same temples as Serapis and Isis, and Arsinoe was likened to both Isis and Aphrodite. Some later Ptolemaic queens identified themselves still more closely with Isis. Cleopatra III, in the second century BCE, used Isis's name in place of her own in inscriptions, and Cleopatra VII, the last ruler of Egypt before it was annexed by Rome, used the epithet "the new Isis".”
>> Please re-read this paragraph anons and read it carefully and slowly. Here you have PROOF right in front of you that the Ptolemaic = Lagides dynasty was one of the Bloodlines families. Research it yourselves if you don’t believe me and compare with what we know of nowadays Bloodlines, (((their))) belief system and (((their))) behavior. This is the Bridge of how the mutated cult of Isis from Ancient Egypt transferred to the European Bloodlines. Study this well if you are interested and this is no shallow research, it needs depth and time to reach the good juicy information, hidden under many layers of misguiding and distorted interpretations.
So here comes the big questions: WHY are (((they))) “ATTACHED” to Isis? Why do (((they))) hold her high in (((their))) esteem? Why (((they))) want to build ties/connections to her? Why did (((they))) pick her precisely and not another goddess?
Marie-Antoinette, wife of Louis XVI, Queen of France provided me the answer for this riddle: Isis is just like Marie-Antoinette was = the Mother or represent the Mother Figure to at least one person of the Evil couple.
Remember anons, the Great Evil was a family member to the King. So far, there are 5 possibilities:
1 – The Great Evil is the son of the King.
2 – The Great Evil is the brother of the King.
3 – The Great Evil is the son-in-law of the King.
4 – The Great Evil is the brother-in-law of the King.
5 – The Great Evil was the nephew of the King.
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998ec3 No.13588090
>>13579160
(Please read from the start)
But he wasn’t alone, apart his many accomplices, there was one specific lady that stood out as her being his spouse /partner with an intimate relationship with him. Depending on WHOM that Great Evil is and what are his ties to the King, this Evil Lady can also be one of these 5 possibilities:
1 – The Evil Lady is the daughter of the King.
2 – The Evil Lady is the sister of the King.
3 – The Evil Lady is the daughter-in-law of the King.
4 – The Evil Lady is the sister-in-law of the King.
5 – The Evil Lady is the niece of the King.
Which brings me to Isis or I should say the Queen….seems she was the MOTHER of this Great Evil or if not him directly, at least the mother of the Evil Lady whom was allied with the Great Evil.
A lot of people assume wrongfully that the attachment the Bloodlines have for Isis = the original Isis, was because she was an evil being. I think this is wrong. Isis was never a bad/evil person. But I think Isis was either the mother of the Great Evil (if he was the son of the King) or she was the mother of the Evil Lady = spouse of the Great Evil (if he was the son-in-law of the King). This attachment we see from the Bloodlines to Isis is due to their blood ties to her, as in her being the MOTHER. It’s NOT because Isis herlsef was bad or Evil, she never represented Evil. And I think she was not killed like the King = spared because of this connection = her being the Mother.
I understood this point after a long time of observation and reading about Marie-Antoinette and mostly how the Bloodlines behaved towards her and her belongings. The attachment and this reverence (((they))) show towards her, as if she was some type of iconic figure for them is what made me understand WHOM Isis was and WHAT she represented to the Bloodlines – including the Bloodlines of ancient history, like the Greeks and the Romans. And in turn, this explains why you have her cult so wide spread all over the Roman Empire and during the Ptolemaic reign. From long ago the Bloodlines knew whom Isis really was and because of (((their))) familial attachment to her (((they))) projected (((their))) own twisted ideology and vision onto her, giving her attributes and characteristics which weren’t originally hers to begin with. (((They))) changed what she really was to make her fit (((their))) own image (((they))) had of her….And this was mostly done during the Ptolemaic and the Roman times. I would like to ask anons to go re-read everything that was said about those 2 eras and see once more how (((they))) twisted Isis’ image to make her fit (((their))) own beliefs. And unfortunately, this is how, we in the modern world, see Isis and understand her to be = Not as she really is but as the Bloodlines see her. We see her through (((their))) eyes, through (((their))) vision of her.
>> I’m going to skip the unrelated parts to this thread next.
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998ec3 No.13588112
>>13588090
(Please read from the start)
“Temples and festivals
[…]
Funerary
In many spells in the Pyramid Texts, Isis and Nephthys help the deceased king reach the afterlife. In the Coffin Texts from the Middle Kingdom, Isis appears still more frequently, though in these texts Osiris is credited with reviving the dead more often than she is. New Kingdom sources such as the Book of the Dead describe Isis as protecting deceased souls as they face the dangers in the Duat. They also describe Isis as a member of the divine councils that judge souls' moral righteousness before admitting them into the afterlife, and she appears in vignettes standing beside Osiris as he presides over this tribunal.
Isis and Nephthys took part in funeral ceremonies, where two wailing women, much like those in the festival at Abydos, mourned the deceased as the two goddesses mourned Osiris. Isis was frequently shown or alluded to in funerary equipment: on sarcophagi and canopic chests as one of the four goddesses who protected the Four Sons of Horus, in tomb art offering her enlivening milk to the dead, and in the tyet amulets that were often placed on mummies to ensure that Isis's power would shield them from harm. […]”
>> See how she evolved with time. She is far away from her original form, isn’t she?
“Popular worship
Unlike many Egyptian deities, Isis was rarely addressed in prayers, or invoked in personal names, before the end of the New Kingdom. From the Late Period on, she became one of the deities most commonly mentioned in these sources, which often refer to her kindly character and her willingness to answer those who call upon her for help. Hundreds of thousands of amulets and votive statues of Isis nursing Horus were made during the first millennium BCE, and in Roman Egypt she was among the deities most commonly represented in household religious art, such as figurines and panel paintings.
Isis was prominent in magical texts from the Middle Kingdom onward. The dangers Horus faces in childhood are a frequent theme in magical healing spells, in which Isis's efforts to heal him are extended to cure any patient. In many of these spells, Isis forces Ra to help Horus by declaring that she will stop the sun in its course through the sky unless her son is cured. Other spells equated pregnant women with Isis to ensure that they would deliver their children successfully.”
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1e64ed No.13596393
>>13588112
(Please read from the start)
“Egyptian magic began to incorporate Christian concepts as Christianity was established in Egypt, but Egyptian and Greek deities continued to appear in spells long after their temple worship had ceased. Spells that may date to the sixth, seventh, or eighth centuries CE invoke the name of Isis alongside Christian figures.
In the Greco-Roman world
Spread
Cults based in a particular city or nation were the norm across the ancient world until the mid- to late first millennium BCE, when increased contact between different cultures allowed some cults to spread more widely. Greeks were aware of Egyptian deities, including Isis, at least as early as the Archaic Period (c. 700–480 BCE), and her first known temple in Greece was built during or before the fourth century BCE by Egyptians living in Athens. The conquests of Alexander the Great late in that century created Hellenistic kingdoms around the Mediterranean and Near East, including Ptolemaic Egypt, and put Greek and non-Greek religions in much closer contact. The resulting diffusion of cultures allowed many religious traditions to spread across the Hellenistic world in the last three centuries BCE. The new mobile cults adapted greatly to appeal to people from a variety of cultures. The cults of Isis and Serapis were among those that expanded in this way.”
>> This is what I’ve tried to explain to anons before. There are a lot of people out there with extremely rigid thoughts of seeing everything in Black & White while it was a mixture of many colors. When I explained about Carthages, this is what I meant. The old Metropolis (mostly them) were not so different in its demographics cocktail than what we have nowadays in the Big cities worldwide. Take Paris, New York, London, Milano, L.A. or Rome for examples….walk down the streets, we will see the black, the white, the blond and the red head and the brunette….you will see the Christian, the Muslim, the Buddhist, the Jew, the Atheist….you will see the Korean, the Irish, the Chinese, the Indian or the Turkish street and shops, selling their products….How many U.S. big cities have a China town or a Korean town for example? Such big cities are always like a huge mosaic = a rainbow of cultures. So you see anons, it was no different back then….but of course in smaller numbers because worldwide human population was much lesser than what we have now. And in such environment we will have loads of cultures mixtures and influence as well as transfer….so don’t jump on conclusion and quickly label things anons….always verify deeply and as accurately as you can because things are not as clear and easy as the public see them to be. This is why I always talk about mutation, mutation and mutation.
“Spread by merchants and other Mediterranean travelers, the cults of Isis and Serapis were established in Greek port cities at the end of the fourth century BCE and expanded throughout Greece and Asia Minor during the third and second centuries. The Greek island of Delos was an early cult center for both deities, and its status as a trading center made it a springboard for the Egyptian cults to diffuse into Italy. Isis and Serapis were also worshipped at scattered sites in the Seleucid Empire, the Hellenistic kingdom in the Middle East, as far east as Iran, though they disappeared from the region as the Seleucids lost their eastern territory to the Parthian Empire.”
>> This is correct.
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1e64ed No.13596418
>>13596393
(Please read from the start)
“Greeks regarded Egyptian religion as exotic and sometimes bizarre, yet full of ancient wisdom. Like other cults from the eastern regions of the Mediterranean, the cult of Isis attracted Greeks and Romans by playing upon its exotic origins, but the form it took after reaching Greece was heavily Hellenized.”
>> HEAVILY HELLENIED = mutation = twisting things to fit (((their))) views and beliefs. This is what the Greeks did, followed by the Hellenistic kingdoms and then the Romans….The way they disfigured things has catapulted us extremely far away from the origins and how things truly are; and unfortunately, up till this day, were are still stuck with this mutated, twisted image (((they))) created for us from back then.
“Isis's cult reached Italy and the Roman sphere of influence at some point in the second century BCE. It was one of many cults that were introduced to Rome as the Roman Republic's territory expanded in the last centuries BCE. Authorities in the Republic tried to define which cults were acceptable and which were not, as a way of defining Roman cultural identity amid the cultural changes brought on by Rome's expansion. In Isis's case, shrines and altars to her were set up on the Capitoline Hill, at the heart of the city, by private persons in the early first century BCE. The independence of her cult from the control of Roman authorities made it potentially unsettling to them. In the 50s and 40s BCE, when the crisis of the Roman Republic made many Romans fear that peace among the gods was being disrupted, the Roman Senate destroyed these shrines, although it did not ban Isis from the city outright .”
>> Read between the lines here anons, as in read what was not written = The cult of Isis was independent and out of the “control” of the Republic Rome authority because it was a “foreign” cult. And yet, somehow, someway, it got many shrines and altars (in plural) set up in the HOT SPOT = the Capitoline Hill = the most prestigious spot in Ancient Rome; the heart of the city. Does the reader even realize the amount of money and “political influence” it needs to build ONE shrine in that specific area in ROME? And to know there were MANY of them and not just one it means LOADS of WEALTHY and INFLUENCIAL people put their weight on the scale to build those shrines and altars. And since it was out of the Republic “control” these wealthy “donors” could do whatever they wanted, right? And amazingly her cult wouldn’t be banned. Sounds like the Republic Roman Elite was very attached to the cult of Isis, isn’t it? Do anons want to have a guess whom those Elites will turn out to be? = I’m saying do you want to have a guess as to WHOM was behind all of this = the ones in the shadows? It’s always been (((THEM))). The readers can find (((their))) fingerprints all over if they looked for (((them))) despite (((them))) hiding behind the curtain. (((They))) knew whom Isis was from that time and this explains (((their))) attachment to her for so long.
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1e64ed No.13596459
>>13596418
(Please read from the start)
“Egyptian cults faced further hostility during the Final War of the Roman Republic (32–30 BCE), when Rome, led by Octavian, the future emperor Augustus, fought Egypt under Cleopatra VII. After Octavian's victory, he banned shrines to Isis and Serapis within the pomerium, the city's innermost, sacred boundary, but allowed them in parts of the city outside the pomerium, thus marking Egyptian deities as non-Roman but acceptable to Rome.Despite being temporarily expelled from Rome during the reign of Tiberius (14–37 CE), the Egyptian cults gradually became an accepted part of the Roman religious landscape. The Flavian emperors in the late first century CE treated Serapis and Isis as patrons of their rule in much the same manner as traditional Roman deities such as Jupiter and Minerva. Even as it was being integrated into Roman culture, Isis's worship developed new features that emphasized its Egyptian background.”
>> Incredible isn’t it how not a single Emperor could totally kick out the cult of Isis from Rome itself, but simply limit it. This betrays the presence of powerful people pulling the strings behind the curtain. The Emperor was not in control, all he could do was to limit the cult of the deity. With the Flavian Emperors the cult of Isis took center stage, does that mean they belonged to a specific Elite faction/clan?
“The cults also expanded into Rome's western provinces, beginning along the Mediterranean coast in early imperial times. At their peak in the late second and early third centuries CE, Isis and Serapis were worshipped in most towns across the western empire, though without much presence in the countryside.Their temples were found from Petra and Palmyra, in the Arabian and Syrian provinces, to Italica in Spain and Londinium in Britain. By this time they were on a comparable footing with native Roman deities.
Roles
Isis's cult, like others in the Greco-Roman world, had no firm dogma, and its beliefs and practices may have stayed only loosely similar as it diffused across the region and evolved over time. Greek aretalogies that praise Isis provide much of the information about these beliefs. Parts of these aretalogies closely resemble ideas in late Egyptian hymns like those at Philae, while other elements are thoroughly Greek.Other information comes from Plutarch (c. 46–120 CE), whose book On Isis and Osiris interprets the Egyptian deities based on his Middle Platonist philosophy, and from several works of Greek and Latin literature that refer to Isis's worship, especially a novel by Apuleius (c. 125–180 CE) known as Metamorphoses or The Golden Ass, which ends by describing how the main character has a vision of the goddess and becomes her devotee.”
>> “Isis’s cult […] had no firm dogma”; as in anyone can do whatever they wanted and change or add or omit things anyway they want to.So anyone can come in and add or take out whatever they want or simply change a few things they dislike. And since it’s way too obvious the Bloodlines attachment to Isis cult = (((they))) were even stronger than the Emperor when it came to keep it around – You think (((they))) did whatever they wanted to and introduced whatever (((they))) wanted to, to her cult? The answer is obvious and it’s a yes. The cult of I sis is far away, very far away from where it started and from its original form.
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1e64ed No.13596486
>>13596459
(Please read from the start)
“Elaborating upon Isis's role as a wife and mother in the Osiris myth, aretalogies call her the inventor of marriage and parenthood. She was invoked to protect women in childbirth and, in ancient Greek novels such as the Ephesian Tale, to protect their virginity. Some ancient texts called her the patroness of women in general. Her cult may have served to promote women's autonomy in a limited way, with Isis's power and authority serving as a precedent, but in myth she was devoted to, and never fully independent of, her husband and son. The aretalogies show ambiguous attitudes toward women's independence: one says Isis made women equal to men, whereas another says she made women subordinate to their husbands.
Isis was often characterized as a moon goddess, paralleling the solar characteristics of Serapis. She was also seen as a cosmic goddess more generally. Various texts claim she organized the behavior of the sun, moon, and stars, governing time and the seasons which, in turn, guaranteed the fertility of the earth. These texts also credit her with inventing agriculture, establishing laws, and devising or promoting other elements of human society. This idea derives from older Greek traditions about the role of various Greek deities and culture heroes, including Demeter, in establishing civilization.”
>> Before in this Wikipedia page, it was said she was associated to the goddess Venus, now she is given Demeter attributes. See how (((they))) simply added and changed things about her however (((they))) pleased?
“She also oversaw seas and harbors. Sailors left inscriptions calling upon her to ensure the safety and good fortune of their voyages. In this role she was called Isis Pelagia, "Isis of the Sea", or Isis Pharia, referring to a sail or to the island of Pharos, site of the Lighthouse of Alexandria. This form of Isis, which emerged in Hellenistic times, may have been inspired by Egyptian images of Isis in a barque, as well as by Greek deities who protected seafaring, such as Aphrodite. Isis Pelagia developed an added significance in Rome. Rome's food supply was dependent on grain shipments from its provinces, especially Egypt. Isis therefore guaranteed fertile harvests and protected the ships that carried the resulting food across the seas—and thus ensured the well-being of the empire as a whole. Her protection of the state was said to extend to Rome's armies, much as it was in Ptolemaic Egypt, and she was sometimes called Isis Invicta, "Unconquered Isis". Her roles were so numerous that she came to be called myrionymos, "one with countless names," and panthea, "all-goddess".
Both Plutarch and a later philosopher, Proclus, mentioned a veiled statue of the Egyptian goddess Neith, whom they conflated with Isis, citing it as an example of her universality and enigmatic wisdom. It bore the words "I am all that has been and is and will be; and no mortal has ever lifted my mantle."
Isis was also said to benefit her followers in the afterlife, which was not much emphasized in Greek and Roman religion. The Golden Ass and inscriptions left by worshippers of Isis suggest that many of her followers thought she would guarantee them a better afterlife in return for their devotion. They characterized this afterlife inconsistently. Some said they would benefit from Osiris's enlivening water while others expected to sail to the Fortunate Isles of Greek tradition.”
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1e64ed No.13596487
>>13596486
(Please read from the start)
“As in Egypt, Isis was said to have power over fate, which in traditional Greek religion was a power not even the gods could defy. Valentino Gasparini says this control over destiny binds together Isis's disparate traits. She governs the cosmos, yet she also relieves people of their comparatively trivial misfortunes, and her influence extends into the realm of death, which is "individual and universal at the same time".
>> Same comments as before concerning the mutation of the cult, so I’m not going to repeat myself. I’m putting this on purpose so that anons understand but mostly realize that modern day understanding of Isis is complete off target and they should take a fresh new look at her.
“Relationships with other deities
More than a dozen Egyptian deities were worshipped outside Egypt in Hellenistic and Roman times in a series of interrelated cults, though many were fairly minor. Of the most important of these deities, Serapis was closely connected with Isis and often appeared with her in art, but Osiris remained central to her myth and prominent in her rituals. Temples to Isis and Serapis sometimes stood next to each other, but it was rare for a single temple to be dedicated to both. Osiris, as a dead deity unlike the immortal gods of Greece, seemed strange to Greeks and played only a minor role in Egyptian cults in Hellenistic times. In Roman times he became, like Dionysus, a symbol of a joyous afterlife, and the Isis cult increasingly focused on him. Horus, often under the name Harpocrates, also appeared in Isis's temples as her son by Osiris or Serapis. He absorbed traits from Greek deities such as Apollo and served as a god of the sun and of crops. Another member of the group was Anubis, who was linked to the Greek god Hermes in his Hellenized form Hermanubis. Isis was also sometimes said to have learned her wisdom from, or even be the daughter of, Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and knowledge, who was known in the Greco-Roman world as Hermes Trismegistus.”
>> Leave it to the Ancient Greeks and Hellenistic kingdoms to mess things up and confuse everyone.
“Isis also had an extensive network of connections with Greek and Roman deities, as well as some from other cultures. She was not fully integrated into the Greek pantheon, but she was at different times equated with a variety of Greek mythological figures, including Demeter, Aphrodite, or Io, a human woman who was turned into a cow and chased by the goddess Hera from Greece to Egypt. The cult of Demeter was an especially important influence on Isis's worship after its arrival in Greece. Isis's relationship with women was influenced by her frequent equation with Artemis, who had a dual role as a virgin goddess and a promoter of fertility. Because of Isis's power over fate, she was linked with the Greek and Roman personifications of fortune, Tyche and Fortuna. At Byblos in Phoenicia in the second millennium BCE, Hathor had been worshipped as a form of the local goddess Baalat Gebal; Isis gradually replaced Hathor there in the course of the first millennium BCE. In Noricum in central Europe, Isis was syncretized with the local tutelary deity Noreia, and at Petra she may have been linked with the Arab goddess al-Uzza. The Roman author Tacitus said Isis was worshipped by the Suebi, a Germanic people living outside the empire, but he may have mistaken a Germanic goddess for Isis because, like her, the goddess was symbolized by a ship.”
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37a270 No.13606708
>>13596487
(Please read from the start)
>> Notable = Baalat of Gebal = Lady of Gebal. By the way Gebal or Gubal is the REAL Phoenician name; Byblos is what the Greeks called that Phoenician City-State. Baalat of Gebal could mean one of 3 things:
1 – Goddess of Gebal.
2 – Queen of Gebal.
3 – The Queen of Gebal later on deified.
It’s amazing, truly amazing how this Wikipedia page didn’t mention Isis temple in Gebal dating back to the Third Millennial B.C. Nothing of importance to see here folk! Just move on. Well, here is a quick reading about it for anons: https://www.petitfute.co.uk/v50039-byblos/c1173-visites-points-d-interet/c925-edifice-religieux/204510-temple-de-baalat-gebal.html
“To the north of Ain Malek (the King's well), we go next to a former amorite quarry and the remains of a large building of the pre-amorite era. Then we arrive at the ruins of the temple of Baalat-Gebal, «the Lady of Byblos». For two millennia, the Lady of Byblos was represented under the traits of the Egyptian goddess Hathor-Isis, headed by a solar disc stuffed into two cow's horns. During excavations, there were many offerings sent by the pharaohs: vases vases, beetles, bronze axes. Built around 2800 BC, the temple was destroyed during the amorite invasion (2300-2100 BC) and rebuilt by the kings of Byblos. An important centre of worship, the temple will undergo numerous renovations until the Roman era. A path erected by colonnades will be built to give it access. Six of these columns were restated at the foot of the royal necropolis.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%CA%BDalat_Gebal
“Baʽalat Gebal, 'Lady of Byblos', was the goddess of the city of Byblos, Phoenicia in ancient times. She was sometimes known to the Greeks as Baaltis or Atargatis.”
>> Notable: “Known to the Greeks as” = in other words this is how the Greeks interpreted her, but it’s NOT how she really was. Again, leave it to the Greeks to disfigure other cultures.
“Baʽalat Gebal was generally identified with the pan-Semitic goddess ʽAshtart (Astarte) and, like ʽAshtart, equated with the Greek goddess Aphrodite. However, Sanchuniathon presents Baʽalat Gebal as a sister of ʽAshtart and Asherah, and calls Baʽalat Gebal by the name Dione, meaning that he identified her either with Asherah or with the mother of Greek Aphrodite, the Titan goddess Dione. According to Sanchuniathon, Baaltis/Dione, like Asherah and ʽAshtart, was the sister of 'El and they had daughters together. He states that it was El who gave the city of Byblos to her.”
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1a1cc7 No.13606756
>>13606708
(Please read from the start)
“Baʽalat Gebal was distinguished in iconography from ʽAshtart or other aspects of ʽAshtart or similar goddesses by two, tall, upright feathers in her headdress.
The temple of Baʽalat Gebal in Byblos was built around 2700 BC. Dedications from Egyptians begin appearing from the second to the 6th Egyptian dynasties. Two of these inscriptions equate Baʽalat Gebal with the Egyptian goddess Hathor. Frank Moore Cross writes that at Sinai Baʽalat seems to have referred to Hathor and possibly to Qudšu (see Qetesh), who is Asherah.”
>> The Greeks (in this case Sanchuniathon) gave their own interpretation of whom she might be. If we read the last paragraph carefully, they said that the Ancient Egyptians starting the second dynasty B.C. made “dedications”….that was done during pilgrimage or when you send an offering or donation to a temple in Ancient times. Now ask yourselves anons = why did the Ancient Egyptians make donation to a deity simply called = the Lady of Gebal? Do you realize how much money it used to cost to send dedications to such a faraway temple? So why bother sending something so far away and so costly and not simply send something to a local Hathor or Isis temple? It’s way faster and cheaper, isn’t it? The answer is rather simple = the Ancient Egyptian knew and understood WHOM was the Baalat of Gebal. Which brings me to the question: Whom influenced whom? Was Baalat Gebal influenced by Isis/Hathor cult or was the later influenced by the first one? We can debate this but my hunch is telling none influenced the other = they both existed independently and when both the Ancient Egyptians and the Phoenicians made contact, they both recognized/realized they were praying for the same PERSON = the Queen. It was never Hathor, Isis or Baalat Gebal…..all of those are different names or references to the one and same LADY = the QUEEN. Both civilizations knew of her but called her in different names. When they made contact with each other, they realized it’s one and the same Lady.
Also I totally disagree with this assimilation to Ashtart or Aphrodite because the iconography is totally different, it’s clear we are dealing with a different deity here. Ashtart or Aphrodite always has this sexual connotation to her, it’s not the case with either Isis/Hathor or Baalat Gebal which both send signal of a loving and caring mother, not a sexual cravings/desires female. I guess this is why she was seen more like Dione, Aphrodite’s mother…which makes more sense if we combine with the mother image Isis and Baalat Gebal project.
As of her being the sister of El, well, since she is the child of the Sun just like El was the child of the Sun, then that makes them siblings, right? Most probably not blood related siblings, but more like belonging to same people or coming from the same place. I’ve explained this before.
All of this solidify a bit more my thoughts about this Queen…She is either the mother of the Great Evil or she is the mother of the Evil Lady. There is a faint link here, but it’s there despite being a weak one. I’m sure I will find more as I progress.
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a019d6 No.13613196
>>13606756
(Please read from the start)
I also found this Bronze statue from Roman times in display at the British Museum: https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/bronze-figure-of-ba-alat-gebal/LAF3fd3KmTX41g?hl=en
“This bronze figurine represents Astarte, an ancient fertility goddess widely worshiped in Syria and Palestine. In this version she is depicted in a classical pose. In 332 B.C. the Levant was conquered by Alexander the Great, king of Macedonia and leader of the Greeks, and Greek Art was adopted widely. Astarte was associated by the Greeks with Aphrodite, the goddess of love, whose sacred creature was the dove. Here, therefore, Astarte wears an elaborate headdress consisting of a dove supporting the horned sun-disc of the Egyptian goddess Isis. However, the two tall feathers along with the horns identify her as a version of Astarte called Ba’alat Gebal, ‘Goddess of Byblos’. This statuette dates to the time of Roman control of the east which was built upon the ruins of the Seleucid kingdom (the Seleucids were the successors of Alexander the Great in the region). This kingdom was incorporated by the Roman general Pompey as the province of Syria and extended by the progressive absorption of ‘client kingdoms’ friendly to Rome such as Judea. Roman occupation made little difference to the cultural life of the area. Greek remained the language of the upper classes, who retained Greek ideas and customs.”
>> More details about the statuette in the Link.
Well now, this is the best mixture of lies and truths I’ve ever seen. Good job to mislead the reader.
Let me tackle this: This figurine represents Aphrodite/Venus in her standard, classical pose. The Greeks associated Astarte to Aphrodite. Alexander did conquer the Levant and the Greeks culture was adopted in the area with the establishment of the Hellenistic kingdoms.
It is incorrect to identify this statuette as a Baalat of Gebal though. She is far away from her original form if this is her. Somehow the British Museum glued to things together that are 2 different things and not one separately. As I’ve explained earlier, the Baalat of Gebal was associated correctly with Isis/Hathor, mostly because of the motherly image she projects. Aphrodite was the goddess of love, but mostly sex, nothing to do with the chaste, tender and caring mother figure. So saying the Baalat of Gebal was Astarte whom was also a very sexualized deity is also a LIE. The British Museum should have said the Greeks then the Romans wrongfully mixed the deities up, but they didn’t = they projected their understanding of Venus on Baalat of Gebal.
Wherever the cult of Astarte/Aphrodite existed, they used to practice there something called “the sacred prostitution” (massive orgies and different sexual rituals and activities etc.) which was NOT the case in Byblos and Baalat of Gebal, nor was the case of Isis….We never ever heard of Isis priestesses prostituting themselves and making sex rituals in her temples. So this is nothing but a pure LIE. Baalat of Gebal was NEVER Astarte or Aphrodite. She was just like Isis a motherly figure, not a sexual one.
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c8f507 No.13620547
>>13613196
(Please read from the start)
The headdress with a dove of the Bronze figurine has nothing to do with Isis or Baalat of Gebal. This is the symbol of Aphrodite, not the other 2 deities. The Horned Sun-disc was Hathor’s then transmitted to Isis mostly in the New Kingdom. Associating the dove to the Horned Sun-disc is a Hellenistic mutation that has nothing to do with both Isis and Baalat of Gebal.
And see how they inserted the Jews in all of this. Incredible isn’t it? Just like what (((they))) did with the Louvre page of Gudea’s libation vase. But there is something anons don’t know: The kingdom of Judea is the ONLY kingdom of the area which welcomed the Romans because they were on extremely friendly terms with them and Herod the Great pulled strings behind the curtain in order to be made king and supervisor of the neighboring area. When you research deeply and properly Herod the Great, the hidden strings become visible. And it’s clear, Herod had ties with a specific faction of the Roman Elite = the Bloodlines. Herod was (((their))) guy put in charge of the area in order to rebuilt Israel, rebuilt the temple and open the Stargate to bring the Spirit of the Anti-Christ to this realm. If you compare how Herod’s kingdom was created back then and everything that happened with how Israel was created in modern day by the Rothschild’s = it’s almost identical, extremely similar. And this is because it was the same entity behind both artificial creation of a none existing kingdom or country. If my words are a shock to some readers or totally unacceptable….I suggest for the reader to go research, really research how Herod worked and created the kingdom he ruled. If you are still not convinced after researching, then stop reading this thread, it’s not for you.
So you see anons, this statuette is a mutated deity that has nothing to do with Baalat of Gebal nor Isis and the British Museum page didn’t mention this. They surely did a good job in mixing the truth with the lie in order to project the wrong idea about Baalat of Gebal. I’m surprised they didn’t call her the devil though: wasn’t Baal supposed to be the NAME of the devil. They intentionally mislead you into thinking Baalat of Gebal was equivalent to Astarte/Aphrodite = projecting a false image and identity of the Phoenician goddess.
So ask yourselves anons, why did (((they))) try to misguide you so much about a Phoenician goddess from the City-State of Gebal?
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651e58 No.13622848
Hi Thomas.
I was reading your work (pages) starting from page 1 in Bridges & Maps # 4 https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/9207873.html
I often have the need to go back and reference some of the old pages in this board but the pictures are missing. (if there is a better board please let me know).
I was wondering if you have all the pages published so far in a PDF or something (with the pictures) if you can post it somewhere… It would be super helpful.
Thank you for putting all this work and sharing you work!
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69708c No.13624972
Doge on mass initiation of the Gold QFS.
The Golden Gate Bridge Currency. 🌎 🌉
Q3393 The Future is Digital.📱💸 XRP. 🐕.
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1307d1 No.13627040
>>13620547
(Please read from the start)
Let’s check the temple to get more information about her, even if it’s not that much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Baalat_Gebal
“The Temple of Baalat Gebal (Arabic: maebad baalat jbeil) was an important Bronze Age temple structure in the World Heritage Site of Byblos.The temple was dedicated to Ba'alat Gebal, the goddess of the city of Byblos, known later to the Greeks as Atargatis. Built in 2800 BCE, it was the largest and most important sanctuary in ancient Byblos, and is considered to be "one of the first monumental structures of the Syro-Palestinian region". Two centuries after the construction of the Temple of Baalat Gebal, the Temple of the Obelisks was built approximately 100m to the east.”
>> So again here (((they))) associated Baalat of Gebal to Astarte based on….? What exactly? Oh yeah! How the Greeks interpreted her to be, not as she really was.
“The length and continuity of its history as an active temple is "remarkable" and "supports its centrality in the life of the city".
An important group of Byblos figurines were found in the temple; these figurines have become the "poster child" of the Lebanese Tourism Ministry.”
>> Incredible! This temple was among the longest ever to exist and being used but we barely have a page on Wikipedia about it and if I look for information about it on the net, I barely find a couple of lines. You think the information is not there? What if it was and it was kept from public access on purpose? Think about this anons.
“Background
The temple, and its patroness, Ba‘alat Gebal, were venerated in the city for more than two millennia during the Canaanite and Phoenician eras. It was constructed when Byblos had close ties with Egypt, and a number of Egyptian references are found throughout the temple complex. The temple itself was expanded a number of times and remained in use until the Roman era.”
>> Not a pip about the Egyptian dedications sent to the temple. Interesting, isn’t it?
“Modern identification and excavation
The site of the temple is near the Crusaders' Byblos Castle, and was first excavated by French archaeologist Pierre Montet from 1921–24 and subsequently in the early part of Maurice Dunand's excavation of the city. Montet published two sketches of his excavations, and Dunand published a few plans for the wider sector of excavations in his 1939 volume. Almost all of the artifacts found in the excavation of the temple are displayed at the National Museum of Beirut.”
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1307d1 No.13627078
>>13622848
Dear anon,
I only post in this place and nowhere else on the web. I do not exist digitally outside of this place. What I post in here is all.
I will gladly repost the images you need if you would point me the pages. I hope you will enjoy the read; loads more on the way.
Wishing you a good day.
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1307d1 No.13628095
>>13627040
(Please read from the start)
“The temple now sits east of the Roman theater. The theater, built around AD 218, was reconstructed and moved to allow excavation of the temple site.”
>> So data exists: notes and archives of Montet and Dunand from their excavations. I want to ask: why isn’t this information easily available to the general public online and on an international level so that everyone interested can research? If I search right now online about ANY Greek temple, I will find a mountain of information and pictures. Same things for Ancient Egyptian temples but not of a Phoenician temple. Geez! I wonder why is it this way?
Is it because it’s in the Levant? Well, when I look for information about the temple of Bel in Palmyra, Syria, I find it online. When I go looking for information about the Synagogue of Dura Europos, I found it online. When I go looking for Ain Dara in Syria, I also find some. And at last, when I go looking for information of the temple of Solomon, I find plenty of it. Strange isn’t it, it’s ONLY the Phoenician temples that I don’t find much if any information about online? I have to go dig by hand in some dusty, forgotten archive room in order to find them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Dunand
“Maurice Dunand (4 March 1898 – 23 March 1987) was a prominent French archaeologist specializing in the ancient Near East, who served as director of the Mission Archéologique Française in Lebanon. Dunand excavated Byblos from 1924 to 1975, and published a Byblos syllabary in his monograph Byblia Grammata in 1945. The Neolithic of Lebanon was divided by Dunand into three stages based on the stratified levels of Byblos. From 1963 onwards, Dunand also thoroughly excavated the site of the Temple of Eshmun near Sidon.
During the Lebanese Civil War Dunand left Lebanon, taking with him his archives, which he left to the University of Geneva, but which were returned to Lebanon in 2010.
Dunand was a native of Loisin, Haute-Savoie, France. He died there in retirement.”
>> So let me get this straight: The FRENCH archaeologist whom excavated TWO of the most important Phoenicians sites in Lebanon took the archive with him when he left the country to only leave it to the University of Geneva. It was only returned to the country which it belonged to in 2010. Anyone apart me find this suspicious? I’m curious to know why were (((they))) interested in Dunand’s archive? Did the University of Geneva returned ALL the archive to the Lebanese gvt.? Or did it keep a few important information like how it is the case in other places where (((they))) got (((their))) hands on important items or data? Was the archive returned as it was or was it altered? Do you trust (((them))) to return it “intact” after keeping it for so long? I surely don’t. It’s fishy.
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bb138a No.13634589
>>13628095
(Please read from the start)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Montet
“Jean Pierre Marie Montet (27 June 1885 – 19 June 1966) was a French Egyptologist.
Biography
Montet was born in Villefranche-sur-Saône, Rhône, and began his studies under Victor Loret at the University of Lyon.
He excavated at Byblos in Lebanon between 1921 and 1924, excavating tombs of rulers from Middle Kingdom times. Between 1929 and 1939, he excavated at Tanis, Egypt, finding the royal necropolis of the Twenty-first and Twenty-second Dynasties — the finds there almost equalled that of Tutankhamun's tomb in the Valley of the Kings.”
>> A FRENCH EGYPTOLOGIST digging in a Phoenician City-State. Hm! I wonder why? Isn’t it obvious? It’s because he knows of the links between Gebal and Ancient Egypt, including the connection of Baalat of Gebal and Isis. If this was not the case, then why send an Egyptologist to a Phoenician City-State? = There is a connection, a link.
“In the 1939-1940 Egypt excavation season, he discovered the completely intact tombs of 3 Egyptian pharaohs at Tanis: Psusennes I, Amenemope, and Shoshenq II along with the partially plundered tomb of Takelot I. The latter tomb contained a gold bracelet of Osorkon I, Takelot's father, as well as a heart scarab. He also found the fully plundered tomb of Osorkon II as well as the partly plundered tomb of this king's son, Prince Hornakht. The start of World War II in Western Europe in May 1940 stopped all excavation work at Tanis. However, after the war, Montet resumed his activities at Tanis and proceeded to uncover the intact tomb of General Wendjebauendjed, (literally the Commander-in-Chief of the Army) who served under Psusennes I, in 1946.
During his academic career, he served as Professor of Egyptology at the University of Strasbourg from 1919 to 1948 and then at the Collège de France, Paris between 1948 and 1956. He died in Paris on 19 June 1966.
[…]
Works
• Byblos et l'Egypte, quatre campagnes de fouilles à Byblos (1928)
• La Necropole Royale de Tanis (1958)
• Everyday Life in the Days of Ramesses the Great (1958)
• Eternal Egypt (1964)
• Tanis, douze années de fouilles dans une capitale oubliée du delta Égyptien, Payot, Paris, (1942)
o [English: Tanis, twelve years of excavations in a forgotten capital of the Egyptian delta, Payot, Paris, (1942).”
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afdd6c No.13643032
>>13634589
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The following figurines were dug up during the Byblos excavation, primarily in the vicinity of the Baalat of Gebal temple, while some were found in Kamid el Lawz. Most of these figurines come from current day Lebanon but others (a few) were also found in other Phoenician City-States in Syria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byblos_figurines
“The Byblos figurines or Phoenician statuettes are approximately 1,500–2,000 ex-voto statuettes found in ancient Phoenician temples in Lebanon, primarily in Byblos, but also in Kamid al lawz. The statuettes date to the second millennium BC and are made of bronze, silver, or copper alloy.The Byblos figurines are considered to represent the best example of their kind across the Levant.
Most of the figurines were found in the Temple of the Obelisks, in which 20 votive deposits and pitchers containing a variety of such figurines were found, along with a smaller, but important group of them found in the neighboring Temple of Baalat Gebal. The figurines have been adopted to represent the Lebanese Tourism Ministry.”
>> What is an EX-VOTO:
noun: ex-voto; plural noun: ex-votos
1. an offering given in order to fulfill a vow.
As in, it’s divine intervention after a personal request was made to the deity. In other words you asked something from the deity and it was granted to you. From my old notes, there were around 1500 ones of these figurines found in the places mentioned above. This reminds me of those divine and sacred sites we saw in the Andean region where a lot of offerings were made and there were sites famous for their divine healing power.
This was practiced in ALL ancient cultures/civilizations and is still practiced nowadays, even in Christianity. We make offerings of all types and sorts, we can say they are donations if you want to put in a nicer term, from incense, to spices, to flowers, to money, to food, to sacrificing animals and some go as far as cutting their hair as an offering or even donate parcels of land to this and that church.
“Use
The majority of the statuettes were found at archaeological sites in sealed pottery jars, together with tools, weapons, jewelry, and other ritual objects.”
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afdd6c No.13643586
>>13643032
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“The first group found was located at the Temple of Baalat Gebal and information about them was published by archaeologists Montet and Dunand. Both originally considered the figurines to be "foundation deposits".Following further discoveries at the Temple of the Obelisks, Dunand suggested that perhaps, they might be assemblages of "offering deposits" for festivals. In 1966, however, Negbi and Moskowitz suggested instead, that the various objects discovered were hidden away in haste, ahead of an impending catastrophe.”
>> I disagree with what Negbi and Moskowitz suggest because of the huge number of these statuettes found = around 1500. Sure, not all were found in one location, but since most were found in this site, then the numbers should be in the hundreds here. It’s impossible to stash HUNDREDS of votive figurines along with other object in jars, then SEAL the jar and bury them if you are in a HURRY. If it’s a natural catastrophe or an imminent military attack, both do NOT provide much time to stash these figurines. These votive figurines weren’t just dumped in a hole, they were “cared” for: they were placed in pitchers, sealed then buried. This is not just time consuming, but it also betrays the care they were handled in. Do you think the pitchers and jars were just sitting there and the priests just grabbed anything to put the figurines in them and buried them? The pitchers were probably ordered in ADVANCE = this is thought of. The pitchers were also sealed in order to protect what’s inside them from spilling out, or deteriorate, decompose, or from being stolen. This also proves these figurines were cared for and this is thought of = pre-planned.
“Description
The statuettes measure 3–38 cm tall, mostly represent males, and have tangs projecting from their feet that would have allowed them to be placed onto bases.Most wear cone-shaped hats resembling the Egyptian hedjet and others wear helmets. Some are nude and others wear short kilts.Originally, many were armed with a stick, dagger, mace, or axe. Based on an inscription on a large obelisk at the Temple of the Obelisks, the male ones are interpreted to resemble Resheph, the Phoenician deity of war and plague.”
>> Most were male figurines, meaning there are a FEW that are FEMALE. The existence of tangs below the feet of the figurines suggest they were always in an upward position just like a candle is. I mean they were “displayed” in the temple like that, standing or simply stored in rooms in the upright position. Which means the temple must have some type of metal stand of table where the figurines stood on– it’s to stabilize them on it.
Yes, the hats are cone-shaped = ovoid and they do resemble the hedjet, mostly known for being worn by Osiris (page 836). Yes, because the figurines are holding weapons, it seems these are warriors. The presence of SOME female figurines makes us think there were LADY warriors here as well. If anons look at the pictures I’ve attached, most, not all, are also wearing ankle bracelets, some on the right ankle, some on the left ankle. It’s interesting how this tiny detail was omited.
I don’t agree with the interpretation of them resembling Resheph though. The Phoenicians are MOSTLY known for their NAVAL not their ground troupes. They never had huge number of soldiers like what Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia kingdoms did to conquer. Also, in order to make ex-votos, it means you made a wish or a request from the deity and that request was granted to you, so you thank the deity by offering an ex-voto = figurine of yourself. These are not figurines of the god, but figurines of the believers whom were granted their request. It’s like a mark or a witness saying = I was granted the wish.
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651e58 No.13644359
>>13627078
Yes please. If you can point me to those it'll be great.
Thank you for posting those.
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d51cdb No.13651138
>>13643586
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“The figurines have been described as "crude, stereotyped, mass-produced".It is likely that they were produced in Byblos to be used as ritual offerings. Moulds for similar, but less numerous styles of statuettes, were found at the Phoenician excavations at Nahariya.”
>> The soldiers the Phoenicians had were mostly for guarding their cities, MOSTLY. The big numbers of figurines make me believe these were gathered there at the temple with time. This is not ONE deposit but an accumulation of figurines with time. And this confirms what I was trying to say earlier about these being an accumulation and not a ONE time deposit and that these figurines represent the warrior whom made a wish to the deity and that wish was granted.
When you are a soldier, why and when do you make a request from the temple? = it’s either before you go to war so that you can come back safe – or if you came back from war injured and you need physical healing from that injury. Since we found these figurines in different Phoenician City-States and their numbers is rather impressive, so this means the figurines were offered to the temple gradually along with time. As each warrior was deployed to serve with his unit, some made request to deity to come back safe and when they did, they thanked the deity by offering his votive figurine, which was probably purchased on site as he was heading to the temple – explaining the mass industrialized production of the figurines.
“They are interpreted as votive offerings because they were not found in graves and were not dispersed widely enough to be part of exchange networks.”
>> Correct.
The little Phoenician detour was a bit long, but it provided us with 3 new clues so far to add with what we already have on the Phoenicians:
1 – We just found out that Baalat of Gebal was associated/linked to Isis and we were misinformed about her having links to Aphrodite/Astarte.
2 – Barely no information with easy access was provided to the researcher about both Baalat of Gebal and her Temple in Gebal. Most of the archives, documents and notes of Dunand and Montet from their digs in Gebal were put in (((their))) custody for many years and only recently were “supposedly” returned to their home country. (((They))) had decades of time to study the findings.
3 – There are barely any information of the Votive figurines of Gebal with ovoid hats.
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d51cdb No.13651154
>>13651138
(Please read from the start)
Now let’s continue where we left of with Isis (p. 864) after this Phoenician detour.
“Many of the aretalogies include long lists of goddesses with whom Isis was linked. These texts treat all the deities they list as forms of her, suggesting that in the eyes of the authors she was a summodeistic being: the one goddess for the entire civilized world. In the Roman religious world, many deities were referred to as "one" or "unique" in religious texts like these. At the same time, Hellenistic philosophers frequently saw the unifying, abstract principle of the cosmos as divine. Many of them reinterpreted traditional religions to fit their concept of this highest being, as Plutarch did with Isis and Osiris. In The Golden Ass Isis says "my one person manifests the aspects of all the gods and goddesses" and that she is "worshipped by all the world under different forms, with various rites, and by manifold names," although the Egyptians and Nubians use her true name, Isis. But when she lists the forms in which various Mediterranean peoples worship her, she mentions only female deities. Greco-Roman deities were firmly divided by gender, thus limiting how universal Isis could truly be. One aretalogy avoids this problem by calling Isis and Serapis, who was often said to subsume many male gods, the two "unique" deities. Similarly, both Plutarch and Apuleius limit Isis's importance by treating her as ultimately subordinate to Osiris.The claim that she was unique was meant to emphasize her greatness more than to make a precise theological statement.”
>> This paragraph is very telling about how the mutation took place. Just take a good long look on how the Greeks then the Romans twisted everything: “Many of them reinterpreted traditional religions to fit their concept of this highest being, as Plutarch did with Isis and Osiris.” Unfortunately loads of nowadays researchers lean heavily on these mutated and twisted writings.
“Iconography
Images of Isis made outside Egypt were Hellenistic in style, like many of the images of her made in Egypt in Hellenistic and Roman times. The attributes she bore varied widely. She sometimes wore the Hathoric cow-horn headdress, but Greeks and Romans reduced its size and often interpreted it as a crescent moon. She could also wear headdresses incorporating leaves, flowers, or ears of grain.Other common traits included corkscrew locks of hair and an elaborate mantle tied in a large knot over the breasts, which originated in ordinary Egyptian clothing but was treated as a symbol of the goddess outside Egypt. In her hands she could carry a uraeus or a sistrum, both taken from her Egyptian iconography, or a situla, a vessel used for libations of water or milk that were performed in Isis's cult.
As Isis-Fortuna or Isis-Tyche she held a rudder, representing control of fate, in her right hand and a cornucopia, standing for abundance, in her left. As Isis Pharia she wore a cloak that billowed behind her like a sail, and as Isis Lactans, she nursed Harpocrates. At times she was shown resting a foot on a celestial sphere, representing her control of the cosmos.The diverse imagery sprang from her varied roles; as Robert Steven Bianchi says, "Isis could represent anything to anyone and could be represented in any way imaginable”.”
>>Notable: "Isis could represent anything to anyone and could be represented in any way imaginable” = this is what I’ve been trying to explain about her from the start, so I’m not going to repeat it here. By now the reader understands this well.
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d51cdb No.13651180
>>13644359
Dear Anon,
After you brought up the issue, I went back several times to check on Thread 4. You are right, the pictures are not loading most of the time. The three times I went back, I only managed to see the pictures once. Your inability to see the pictures might be due to some disturbance in your internet connection.
There are 400 + pictures in Thread 4. Reposting every single one of them is going to be hard. I have a proposition for you: go back to Thread 4 and check out the titles of each picture. I usually leave clues for anons in MOST of the pictures I put for those whom are interested in digging further. I find my pictures on the net. So if you take the information I’ve put with the picture and search those online, you will find most them easily yourself. The information that comes along with the pictures will lead you to the artifacts easily. I usually pick the biggest pictures with good resolution so that anons can zoom in and see the details. Take for example page 2: there are 3 pictures there, take the name of each picture, google it and you will land on the artifact, pick the picture with the best resolution and save it.
If you do this you will be able to gather a good chunk of the pictures and help reduce the number of pictures I will have to repost. The pictures you cannot find, please MAKE A LIST for me, telling me the PAGE NUMBER and I will repost those. Reposting 400 + pictures is hard, but if we can reduce the number it will be doable.
I’m going to send you with this post the maps of page 14 since I’ve edited them myself and you will not find them on the web this way. I’m putting them in the same order they are in page 14.
I’m waiting for you to send me that list of pages which you are unable to get the pictures from the net.
Wishing you a good day.
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f1f6ed No.13658604
>>13651154
(Please read from the start)
>> I’m going to skip the next section with its 5 sub-parts – only putting the title, because they do not bring any information needed in this thread. They contain additional information about the mutation of the cult of Isis under Greek and Roman times. So if there are anons studying solely this, they need to check the link for the information.
“Worship
Adherents and priests
[…]
Temples and daily rites
[…]
Personal worship
[…]
Initiation
[…]
Festivals
[…]
Possible influence on Christianity
A contentious question about Isis is whether her cult influenced Christianity. Some Isiac customs may have been among the pagan religious practices that were incorporated into Christian traditions as the Roman Empire was Christianized. Andreas Alföldi, for instance, argued in the 1930s that the medieval Carnival festival, in which a model boat was carried, developed from the Navigium Isidis.
Much attention focuses on whether traits of Christianity were borrowed from pagan mystery cults, including that of Isis.The more devoted members of Isis's cult made a personal commitment to a deity they regarded as superior to others, as Christians did. Both Christianity and the Isis cult had an initiation rite: the mysteries for Isis, baptism in Christianity. One of the mystery cults' shared themes—a god whose death and resurrection may be connected with the individual worshipper's well-being in the afterlife—resembles the central theme of Christianity. The suggestion that Christianity's basic beliefs were taken from mystery cults has provoked heated debate for more than 200 years.In response to these controversies, both Hugh Bowden and Jaime Alvar, scholars who study ancient mystery cults, suggest that similarities between Christianity and the mystery cults were not produced by direct borrowing of ideas but by their common background: the Greco-Roman culture in which they all developed.”
>> Bowden and Alvar both make a good point in saying that both developed under the Grecco-Roman umbrella, which was controlled by (((them))) back then. If you look for (((them))) you will find (((them))) and (((their))) fingerprints all over the Greek culture and the Roman one.
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f1f6ed No.13658612
>>13658604
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“Similarities between Isis and Mary, the mother of Jesus, have also been scrutinized. They have been subject to controversy between Protestant Christians and the Catholic Church, as many Protestants have argued that Catholic veneration of Mary is a remnant of paganism. The classicist R. E. Witt saw Isis as the "great forerunner" of Mary. He suggested that converts to Christianity who had formerly worshipped Isis would have seen Mary in much the same terms as their traditional goddess. He pointed out that the two had several spheres of influence in common, such as agriculture and the protection of sailors. He compared Mary's title "Mother of God" to Isis's epithet "mother of the god", and Mary's "queen of heaven" to Isis's "queen of heaven". Stephen Benko, a historian of early Christianity, argues that devotion to Mary was deeply influenced by the worship of several goddesses, not just Isis. In contrast, John McGuckin, a church historian, says that Mary absorbed superficial traits from these goddesses, such as iconography, but the fundamentals of her cult were thoroughly Christian.”
>> (((They))) did anything and everything (((they))) could to divide the Church and (((they))) succeeded in doing it. The Virgin Mary is linked to Isis, but not in the way explained in this paragraph. I will be explaining this when I reach it much later on. Take note of it for now and remember, both truly are queens of Heaven and Mothers of God. It’s a shame that the Americans and the Western culture put a distance between themselves and the Virgin Mary because by doing so, they were also pushed away from Jesus Christ. She is the HUMAN link that connects us to Him.
“Images of Isis with Horus in her lap are often suggested as an influence on the iconography of Mary, particularly images of the Mary nursing the infant Jesus, as images of nursing women were rare in the ancient Mediterranean world outside Egypt. Vincent Tran Tam Tinh points out that the latest images of Isis nursing Horus date to the fourth century CE, while the earliest images of Mary nursing Jesus date to the seventh century CE. Sabrina Higgins, drawing on his study, argues that if there is a connection between the iconographies of Isis and Mary, it is limited to images from Egypt. In contrast, Thomas F. Mathews and Norman Muller think Isis's pose in late antique panel paintings influenced several types of Marian icons, inside and outside Egypt. Elizabeth Bolman says these early Egyptian images of Mary nursing Jesus were meant to emphasize his divinity, much as images of nursing goddesses did in ancient Egyptian iconography. Higgins argues that such similarities prove that images of Isis influenced those of Mary, but not that Christians deliberately adopted Isis's iconography or other elements of her cult.”
>> The iconography of a mother nursing her child or simply carrying her child in her arms is not just limited to the Virgin Mary or to Isis….or to any female deity….this is a universal posture ALL mothers worldwide take with their babies. For me, it doesn’t matter if this influenced (or not) that….because everywhere you look, in all the cultures and all the times, the mother always behaves the same way with her child, mostly when she is nursing her baby. It’s part of the universal language of motherhood. Making a fuss about this and having heated debates over this issue is proof for me this is done on purpose to divide the Church and the Christians.
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f1f6ed No.13658733
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d078c6 No.13667500
>>13658612
(Please read from the start)
“Influence in later cultures
The memory of Isis survived the extinction of her worship. Like the Greeks and Romans, many modern Europeans have regarded ancient Egypt as the home of profound and often mystical wisdom, and this wisdom has often been linked with Isis. Giovanni Boccaccio's biography of Isis in his 1374 work De mulieribus claris, based on classical sources, treated her as a historical queen who taught skills of civilization to humankind. Some Renaissance thinkers elaborated this perspective on Isis. Annio da Viterbo, in the 1490s, claimed Isis and Osiris had civilized Italy before Greece, thus drawing a direct connection between his home country and Egypt. The Borgia Apartments painted for Annio's patron, Pope Alexander VI, incorporate this same theme in their illustrated rendition of the Osiris myth.”
>> So (((they))) knew whom Isis was from back then. Read between the lines, read what is not said.
“Western esotericism has often made reference to Isis. Two Roman esoteric texts used the mythic motif in which Isis passes down secret knowledge to Horus. In Kore Kosmou, she teaches him wisdom passed down from Hermes Trismegistus, and in the early alchemical text Isis the Prophetess to Her Son Horus, she gives him alchemical recipes. Early modern esoteric literature, which saw Hermes Trismegistus as an Egyptian sage and frequently made use of texts attributed to his hand, sometimes referred to Isis as well. In a different vein, Apuleius's description of Isiac initiation has influenced the practices of many secret societies. Jean Terrasson's 1731 novel Sethos used Apuleius as inspiration for a fanciful Egyptian initiation rite dedicated to Isis. It was imitated by actual rituals in various Masonic and Masonic-inspired societies during the eighteenth century, as well as in other literary works, most notably Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's 1791 opera The Magic Flute.”
>> Anons, be careful how you handle the information provided in this paragraph. If you are shallow minded person with a short memory, you will quickly jump into thinking Isis is an Evil deity (((they))) worship. But if you had been truly reading what I’ve writing and mostly my take on things, you would have realized Isis is not an Evil deity. But ever since ancient times (((their))) ancestors and current day (((them))) are for some reason attached to her. And as I’ve said before, I think this attachment to Isis by the Bloodlines comes from the fact that she is the Mother of ONE of the 2 Main Evils = either the Great Evil (whom seems to be Male) or the Evil Lady (obviously a female). Since I consider Isis as the queen = wife of the murdered king, and since I consider at least one of the two main villains as the direct blood relative of the king, most probably an offspring of the king…..so the chances are high the queen I am calling Isis is none other than the mother of one of the two Evil coup plotters.
“From the Renaissance on, the veiled statue of Isis that Plutarch and Proclus mentioned was interpreted as a personification of nature, based on a passage in the works of Macrobius in the fifth century CE that equated Isis with nature. Authors in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries ascribed a wide variety of meanings to this image. Isis represented nature as the mother of all things, as a set of truths waiting to be unveiled by science, as a symbol of the pantheist concept of an anonymous, enigmatic deity who was immanent within nature, or as an awe-inspiring sublime power that could be experienced through ecstatic mystery rites. In the dechristianization of France during the French Revolution, she served as an alternative to traditional Christianity: a symbol that could represent nature, modern scientific wisdom, and a link to the pre-Christian past. For these reasons, Isis's image appeared in artwork sponsored by the revolutionary government, such as the Fontaine de la Régénération, and by the First French Empire. The metaphor of Isis's veil continued to circulate through the nineteenth century. Helena Blavatsky, the founder of the esoteric Theosophical tradition, titled her 1877 book on Theosophy Isis Unveiled, implying that it would reveal spiritual truths about nature that science could not.”
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d078c6 No.13667510
>>13667500
(Please read from the start)
>> The Masonic fingerprints are all over the French Revolution and one of its targets was to uproot Christianity from France. As for Napoleon and his Empire…He was sent by Payseur as a vengeance tool and response for the killing of the French Royal family. We can call it payback from Payseur to what the British royals and other European royals did to his family = conspired to eliminate the French King and monarchy. No comment about Blavatsky, she is sick in the head as the rest of (((them))) if you ask me about her, so no need to talk about it all.
“Among modern Egyptians, Isis was used as a national symbol during the Pharaonism movement of the 1920s and 1930s, as Egypt gained independence from British rule. In works such as Mohamed Naghi's painting in the parliament of Egypt, titled Egypt's Renaissance, and Tawfiq al-Hakim's play The Return of the Spirit, Isis symbolizes the revival of the nation. A sculpture by Mahmoud Mokhtar, also called Egypt's Renaissance, plays upon the motif of Isis's removing her veil.
Isis is found frequently in works of fiction, such as a superhero franchise, and her name and image appear in places as disparate as advertisements and personal names.The name Isidoros, meaning "gift of Isis" in Greek, survived in Christianity despite its pagan origins, giving rise to the English name Isidore and its variants. In the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries, "Isis" itself became a popular feminine given name.
Isis continues to appear in modern esoteric and pagan belief systems. The concept of a single goddess incarnating all feminine divine powers, partly inspired by Apuleius, became a widespread theme in literature of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Influential groups and figures in esotericism, such as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn in the late nineteenth century and Dion Fortune in the 1930s, adopted this all-encompassing goddess into their belief systems and called her Isis. This conception of Isis influenced the Great Goddess found in many forms of contemporary witchcraft. Today, reconstructions of ancient Egyptian religion, such as Kemetic Orthodoxy[ or the Church of the Eternal Source, include Isis among the deities they revere. An eclectic religious organization focused on female divinity calls itself the Fellowship of Isis because, in the words of one of its priestesses, M. Isidora Forrest, Isis can be "all Goddesses to all people”.
>> (((Their))) attachment to the cult of Isis is because of whom she is = she is the mother of one of the Two Evil ones = either the male or the female. As anons can see, nowadays witches, masons and other weirdos simply think and practice whatever they see fit as a cult and they attach her to it, kinda glue her. But you see, this happened also 3 times before: 1 – During the Hellenic and mostly the Hellenistic eras. 2 – Roman times. 3 – Middles Ages and mostly Renaissance times.
In other words for centuries whom ever wanted to add or change things about her did just that. Each one interpreted things from their personal view and ideology, not as she really was. For the last time, I’m going to repeat this: The attachment the Bloodlines have for Isis is due to Lineage = one of the Evil ones was her direct descendant = her offspring.
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405f35 No.13667958
I am verry sleepy.
Cañ you type in silence?
I love rhis planrti don'r want 2 kill any1
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20841c No.13675186
>>13667510
(Please read from the start)
I know that was rather long but it’s also necessary, next I’m going to take a look at Nephthys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephthys
“Nephthys or Nebet-Het in ancient Egyptian (Greek: Νέφθυς) was a goddess in ancient Egyptian religion. A member of the Great Ennead of Heliopolis in Egyptian mythology, she was a daughter of Nut and Geb. Nephthys was typically paired with her sister Isis in funerary rites because of their role as protectors of the mummy and the god Osiris and as the sister-wife of Set.
She was associated with mourning, the night/darkness, service (specifically temples), childbirth, the dead, protection, magic, health, embalming, and beer.”
>> Her true Ancient Egyptian name was Nebet-Het…I’m used to call her Nephthys, so this is how I’m going to continue to call her despite the FACT that it’s wrong to call her by her Greek name and I should be more professional and call her by her original name.
“Etymology
Nephthys is the Greek form of an epithet (transliterated as Nebet-hut, Nebet-het, Nebt-het, from Egyptian nbt-ḥwt). The origin of the goddess Nephthys is unclear but the literal translation of her name is usually given as "Lady of the House", which has caused some to mistakenly identify her with the notion of a "housewife" or as the primary lady who ruled a domestic household. This is a pervasive error repeated in many commentaries concerning this deity. Her name means quite specifically "Lady of the [Temple] Enclosure" which associates her with the role of priestess.”
>> So even in Ancient Egyptian we don’t have her real name, only her Epithet as she is the lady of “temple” enclosure.
“This title, which may be more of an epithet describing her function than a given name, probably indicates the association of Nephthys with one particular temple or some specific aspect of the Egyptian temple ritual. Along with her sister Isis, Nephthys represented the temple pylon or trapezoidal tower gateway entrance to the temple which also displayed the flagstaff. This entrance way symbolized the horizon or akhet.
Function
At the time of the Fifth Dynasty Pyramid Texts, Nephthys appears as a goddess of the Heliopolitan Ennead. She is the sister of Isis and companion of the war-like deity, Set. As sister of Isis and especially Osiris, Nephthys is a protective goddess who symbolizes the death experience, just as Isis represented the birth experience. Nephthys was known in some ancient Egyptian temple theologies and cosmologies as the "Helpful Goddess" or the "Excellent Goddess". These late ancient Egyptian temple texts describe a goddess who represented divine assistance and protective guardianship.
Nephthys is regarded as the mother of the funerary deity Anubis (Inpu) in some myths. Alternatively Anubis appears as the son of Bastett or Isis.”
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20841c No.13675204
>>13675186
(Please read from the start)
“As the primary "nursing mother" of the incarnate pharaonic god, Horus, Nephthys also was considered to be the nurse of the reigning pharaoh himself. Though other goddesses could assume this role, Nephthys was most usually portrayed in this function. In contrast, Nephthys is sometimes featured as a rather ferocious and dangerous divinity, capable of incinerating the enemies of the pharaoh with her fiery breath.”
>> Notable: “her fiery breath” = isn’t this a weapon that emits fire? It’s not the first time we see a weapon that emits fire in this thread. We mostly saw one that emits lightning, the ones emiting fire seems to be simply rarer. Seth used a spear that emits fire.
“New Kingdom Ramesside Pharaohs, in particular, were enamored of Mother Nephthys as is attested in various stelae and a wealth of inscriptions at Karnak and Luxor, where Nephthys was a member of that great city's Ennead and her altars were present in the massive complex.”
>> This is much later period far from starting point.
“Nephthys was typically paired with her sister Isis in funerary rites because of their role as protectors of the mummy and the god Osiris and as the sister-wife of Set.
Less well understood than her sister Isis, Nephthys was no less important in Egyptian religion as confirmed by the work of E. Hornung along with the work of several noted scholars.
Ascend and descend; descend with Nephthys, sink into darkness with the Night-bark. Ascend and descend; ascend with Isis, rise with the Day-bark.
— Pyramid Text utterance 222, line 210
Symbolism
In the funerary role, Nephthys often was depicted as a kite or as a woman with falcon wings, usually outstretched as a symbol of protection. Nephthys's association with the kite or the Egyptian hawk (and its piercing, mournful cries) evidently reminded the ancients of the lamentations usually offered for the dead by wailing women. In this capacity, it is easy to see how Nephthys could be associated with death and putrefaction in the Pyramid Texts. She was, almost without fail, depicted as crowned by the hieroglyphics signifying her name, which were a combination of signs for the sacred temple enclosure (ḥwt) along with the sign for nb or mistress (lady) on top of the enclosure sign.”
>> I disagree with the interpretation of Isis and Nephthys being 2 wailing women for they appearance as kites = Birds of Prey. These ladies are ThunderBirds….they had wings and fought using extraordinary weapons.
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cb08af No.13683562
>>13675204
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“Nephthys was clearly viewed as a morbid-but-crucial force of heavenly transition, i.e., the pharaoh becomes strong for his journey to the afterlife through the intervention of Isis and Nephthys. The same divine power could be applied later to all of the dead, who were advised to consider Nephthys a necessary companion. According to the Pyramid Texts, Nephthys, along with Isis, was a force before whom demons trembled in fear and whose magical spells were necessary for navigating the various levels of Duat, as the region of the afterlife was termed.”
>> Demons should be afraid of these 2 ladies: they kicked their asses. This is obvious that these ladies are fighters anons. We have 2 warrior ladies here, fierce ones.
“Mythology and position in the pantheon
Nephthys and Set
Though it commonly has been assumed that Nephthys was married to Set and they have a son Anubis, recent Egyptological research has called this into question. Levai notes that while Plutarch's De Iside et Osiride mentions the deities' marriage, there is very little specifically linking Nephthys and Set in the original early Egyptian sources. She argues that the later evidence suggests that:
while Nephthys's marriage to Set was a part of Egyptian mythology, it was not a part of the myth of the murder and resurrection of Osiris. She was not paired with Set the villain, but with Set's other aspect, the benevolent figure who was the killer of Apophis. This was the aspect of Set worshiped in the western oases during the Roman period, where he is depicted with Nephthys as co-ruler.
It is Nephthys who assists Isis in gathering and mourning the dismembered portions of the body of Osiris after his murder by the envious Set. Nephthys also serves as the nursemaid and watchful guardian of the infant Horus. The Pyramid Texts refer to Isis as the "birth-mother" and to Nephthys as the "nursing-mother" of Horus. Nephthys was attested as one of the four "Great Chiefs" ruling in the Osirian cult center of Busiris in the Delta and she appears to have occupied an honorary position at the holy city of Abydos. No cult is attested for her there, though she certainly figured as a goddess of great importance in the annual rites conducted, wherein two chosen females or priestesses played the roles of Isis and Nephthys and performed the elaborate "Lamentations of Isis and Nephthys". There, at Abydos, Nephthys joined Isis as a mourner in the shrine known as the Osireion. These "Festival Songs of Isis and Nephthys" were ritual elements of many such Osirian rites in major ancient Egyptian cult centers.”
>> After reading this, I’ve been wondering if Isis = the queen wasn’t already pregnant around the time King was murdered. She either gave birth just before the king was killed or after the murder. Then,for some strange reason she was “away” from her newborn = mother and child were seperated….so the nursing of Horus = heir, was left to Nephthys. By then,it was known the Great Evil wanted to take the throne. In order to get to the throne the Great Evil also needed to kill the heir, not just the king. So if the queen gave birth to the king’s heir, it means that child was in danger as well. We also shouldn’t forget what we read in Isis Wikipedia page about Hathor being the real mother of Horus. So this kinda mix up and complicate the situation a bit…but one thing is for sure: regardless of whom the mother is and regardless if the Isis is the leader of the ThunderBirds, there was an heir, a rightful heir to the throne. I hope as we progress in this thread to find more details about the queen and the heir.For now, the image is mixed up and blurry; I say a bit confusing, hard to make sense of.
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cb08af No.13683590
>>13683562
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Another point is the uncertainty of Nephthys being the wife = spouse of Seth; from the sound of it, seems like it’s an interpretation pushed forward by Plutarch – it’s incredible the amount of damage he has done to the truth with his biased writing. It has always been “assumed” Nephthys is the wife of Seth, but never confirmed in any way or form: either with pre-dynastic artifacts or written texts.
“As a mortuary goddess like Isis, Neith, and Serqet, Nephthys was one of the protectresses of the canopic jars of Hapi. Hapi, one of the sons of Horus, guarded the embalmed lungs. Thus we find Nephthys endowed with the epithet "Nephthys of the Bed of Life" in direct reference to her regenerative priorities on the embalming table. In the city of Memphis, Nephthys was duly honored with the title "Queen of the Embalmer's Shop" and there associated with the jackal-headed god Anubis as patron.
Nephthys was also considered a festive deity whose rites could mandate the liberal consumption of beer. In various reliefs at Edfu, Dendera, and Behbeit, Nephthys is depicted receiving lavish beer offerings from the pharaoh which she would "return" using her power as a beer goddess "that [the pharaoh] may have joy with no hangover". Elsewhere at Edfu, for example, Nephthys is a goddess who gives the pharaoh power to see "that which is hidden by moonlight". This fits well with more general textual themes that consider Nephthys to be a goddess whose unique domain was darkness or the perilous edges of the desert.”
>> That’s a cheerful lady. She likes beer. Good for her.
As for “the power to see that which is hidden by moonlight”: is this night vision? Don’t be surprised here anons, remember we are taking a look at a ThunderBird here = a warrior. Even in our days the military worldwide have night vision equipment. Now stop there and think deeply from where the Bloodlines got the idea of night vision goggles from? This is part of Ancient lost technology recovered or should I say reversed engineered and re-created by the Bloodlines .
“Nephthys could also appear as one of the goddesses who assist at childbirth. An ancient Egyptian myth preserved in the Papyrus Westcar recounts the story of Isis, Nephthys, Meskhenet, and Heqet as traveling dancers in disguise, assisting the wife of a priest of Amun-Re as she prepares to bring forth sons who are destined for fame and fortune.
Nephthys's healing skills and status as direct counterpart of Isis, steeped, as her sister in "words of power", are evidenced by the abundance of faience amulets carved in her likeness and by her presence in a variety of magical papyri that sought to summon her famously altruistic qualities to the aid of mortals.”
>> Was Nephthys some type of doctor or had healing powers, that’s why she assisted her sister in child labor?
“New Kingdom cults
The Ramesside pharaohs were particularly devoted to Set's prerogatives and, in the 19th Dynasty, a temple of Nephthys called the "House of Nephthys of Ramesses-Meriamun" was built or refurbished in the town of Sepermeru, midway between Oxyrhynchos and Herakleopolis, on the outskirts of the Fayyum and quite near to the modern site of Deshasheh. […].”
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cb08af No.13683602
>>13683590
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“There can be little doubt that a cult of Nephthys existed in the temple and great town of Herakleopolis, north of Sepermeru. A near life-sized statue of Nephthys (currently housed in the Louvre) boasts a curiously altered inscription. The basalt image originally was stationed at Medinet-Habu as part of the cultic celebration of the pharaonic "Sed-Festival", but was transferred at some point to Herakleopolis and the temple of Herishef. The cult-image's inscription originally pertained to "Nephthys, Foremost of the Sed [Festival] in the Booth of Annals" (at Medinet-Habu), but was re-inscribed or re-dedicated to "Nephthys, Foremost of the [Booths of] Herakleopolis". A "prophet of Nephthys" is indeed attested for the town of Herakleopolis in the 30th Dynasty.”
>> (((They))) really are collectors!
“Chief goddess of Nome VII
Nephthys was considered the unique protectress of the Bennu bird. This role may have stemmed from an early association in her native Heliopolis which was renowned for its "House of the Bennu" temple. In this role, Nephthys was given the name "Nephthys-Kheresket" and a wealth of temple texts from Edfu, Dendera, Philae, Kom Ombo, El Qa'la, Esna, and others corroborate the late identification of Nephthys as the supreme goddess of Upper Egyptian Nome VII, where another shrine existed in honor of the Bennu. Nephthys also was the goddess of the "Mansion of the Sistrum" in Hwt-Sekhem (Gr. Diospolis Parva), the chief city of Nome VII. There, Nephthys was the primary protectress of the resident Osirian relic, of the Bennu Bird, and of the local Horus/Osiris manifestation, the god Neferhotep.
Nephthys was most widely and usually worshiped in ancient Egypt as part of a consortium of temple deities. Therefore, it should not be surprising that her cult images could likely be found as part of the divine entourage in temples at Kharga, Kellis, Deir el-Hagar, Koptos, Dendera, Philae, Sebennytos, Busiris, Shenhur, El Qa'la, Letopolis, Heliopolis, Abydos, Thebes, Dakleh Oasis, and indeed throughout Egypt. In most cases, Nephthys found her typical place as part of a triad alongside Osiris and Isis, Isis and Horus, Isis and Min, or as part of a quartet of deities.”
>> She was worshiped in Upper Egypt. This is interesting.
While looking for pictures of artifacts of Nephthys, I also found this relief where she and Isis are represented – recognized through their crowns. I want to draw anons attention on the damage these cultural treasures suffer from either from locals or foreigners simply because the people lack of respect to cultural and national property. We’ve lost a huge amount of valuable information that can never be recovered this way. It’s a shame. The younger generations should learn to respect and preserve, protect such cultural treasures.
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80c3fe No.13691990
>>13683602
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Next stop is Horus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
“Horus or Her, Heru, Hor, Har in Ancient Egyptian, is one of the most significant ancient Egyptian deities who served many functions, most notably god of kingship and the sky. He was worshipped from at least the late prehistoric Egypt until the Ptolemaic Kingdom and Roman Egypt. Different forms of Horus are recorded in history and these are treated as distinct gods by Egyptologists. These various forms may possibly be different manifestations of the same multi-layered deity in which certain attributes or syncretic relationships are emphasized, not necessarily in opposition but complementary to one another, consistent with how the Ancient Egyptians viewed the multiple facets of reality.He was most often depicted as a falcon, most likely a lanner falcon or peregrine falcon, or as a man with a falcon head.”
>> Horus was worshiped from Pre-dynastic Egypt. I’m not surprised to hear this at all, mostly that I know he is a ThunderBird. They were there from the start of mankind. And this also explains why we have so many “versions” of Horus: remember anons, the Thunderbirds were squadrons of warriors, not just ONE.
“The earliest recorded form of Horus is the tutelary deity of Nekhen in Upper Egypt, who is the first known national god, specifically related to the ruling pharaoh who in time came to be regarded as a manifestation of Horus in life and Osiris in death.The most commonly encountered family relationship describes Horus as the son of Isis and Osiris, and he plays a key role in the Osiris myth as Osiris's heir and the rival to Set, the murderer and brother of Osiris. In another tradition Hathor is regarded as his mother and sometimes as his wife.”
>> I’m not going to repeat my previous comments on this matter.
“Claudius Aelianus wrote that Egyptians called the god Apollo 'Horus' in their own language.”
>> Mutation and it’s how Aelianus see things = his interpretation.
“Etymology
Horus is recorded in Egyptian hieroglyphs as ḥr.w "Falcon"; the pronunciation has been reconstructed as /ˈħaːruw/. Additional meanings are thought to have been "the distant one" or "one who is above, over".As the language changed over time, it appeared in Coptic varieties variously as /hoːɾ/ or /ħoːɾ/ and was adopted into ancient Greek as Ὧρος Hōros (pronounced at the time as /hɔːros/). It also survives in Late Egyptian and Coptic theophoric name forms such as Siese "son of Isis" and Harsiese "Horus, Son of Isis".”
>> The Ancient Egyptian meaning of “the distant one or the one who is above” remind me of what was said about the Thunderbirds (with the Native American legends) who dwelled in a flying mountain = does that mean they were the ones from above or they were distant high up in the sky?
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80c3fe No.13692016
>>13691990
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“Nekheny may have been another falcon god worshipped at Nekhen, city of the falcon, with whom Horus was identified from early on.
Horus may be shown as a falcon on the Narmer Palette, dating from about the 31st century BC.”
>> It’s obvious there were more than one ThunderBird.
“Horus and the pharaoh
The Pyramid Texts (c. 2400–2300 BC) describe the nature of the pharaoh in different characters as both Horus and Osiris. The pharaoh as Horus in life became the pharaoh as Osiris in death, where he was united with the other gods. New incarnations of Horus succeeded the deceased pharaoh on earth in the form of new pharaohs.”
>> This is making me think that the early rulers of the Ancient Egyptian Nomes and maybe the early Pharaohs in pre-dynastic times….maybe even before that as in pre-pre-dynastic…were all ThunderBirds or direct descendants of ThunderBirds.
“The lineage of Horus, the eventual product of unions between the children of Atum, may have been a means to explain and justify pharaonic power. The gods produced by Atum were all representative of cosmic and terrestrial forces in Egyptian life. By identifying Horus as the offspring of these forces, then identifying him with Atum himself, and finally identifying the Pharaoh with Horus, the Pharaoh theologically had dominion over all the world.”
>> “The children of Atum”: is this another way to say we are all children of the Sun? As in all coming from the same origin = coming from the same place.
“Origin mythology
Horus was born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis, which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish, or sometimes depicted as instead by a crab, and according to Plutarch's account used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a phallus to conceive her son (older Egyptian accounts have the penis of Osiris surviving).
After becoming pregnant with Horus, Isis fled to the Nile Delta marshlands to hide from her brother Set, who jealously killed Osiris and who she knew would want to kill their son. There Isis bore a divine son, Horus.”
>> So Jealousy was the “trigger” to kill the king, and it didn’t stop there, the heir was also in danger of being killed, this is why the queen fled and hid: of course according to what is written here.
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80c3fe No.13692024
>>13692016
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“Mythological roles
Sky god
“Since Horus was said to be the sky, he was considered to also contain the Sun and Moon. It became said that the Sun was his right eye and the Moon his left, and that they traversed the sky when he, a falcon, flew across it. Later, the reason that the Moon was not as bright as the Sun was explained by a tale, known as The Contendings of Horus and Seth. In this tale, it was said that Set, the patron of Upper Egypt, and Horus, the patron of Lower Egypt, had battled for Egypt brutally, with neither side victorious, until eventually, the gods sided with Horus.”
>> We have 3 very important notables here:
1 – Horus was the SKY = fits perfectly with the ThunderBirds description doesn’t it?
2 - Horus Right Eye was the Sun and his Left Eye was the Moon.
3 – Horus was the Patron of Lower Egypt = Detla area and Seth was the Patron of Upper Egypt. Remember that the first kings, including Narmer and the Scorpion kings were all from Upper Egypt.
“As Horus was the ultimate victor he became known as ḥr.w wr "Horus the Great", but more usually translated "Horus the Elder". In the struggle, Set had lost a testicle, and Horus' eye was gouged out.”
>> I personally believe this is symbolic and not the loss of real biological body parts. I think the loss of Seth represent him being unable to have kids, or at least it’s difficult for him to have an offspirng. As for Horus, if my memory is not betraying me, it was his Left Eye that was gouged out = that means it’s the Moon that was gouged out but he kept the Sun. Now there is a theory out there in the Alternative History about the Sun being a Stargate. So if I combine both ideas here; as in Horus kept the Sun = the Stargate….does this mean the portal is still controlled or should I say guarded by the ThunderBirds? Or is it the secondary key of the portal is still in the procession of the Thunderbirds? We know the Bloodlines have been trying very hard for many centuries now to open the Stargate but were unsuccessful so far. So is it because the Thunderbirds are stopping them for opening it?
“Horus was occasionally shown in art as a naked boy with a finger in his mouth sitting on a lotus with his mother. In the form of a youth, Horus was referred to as nfr ḥr.w "Good Horus", transliterated Neferhor, Nephoros or Nopheros (reconstructed as naːfiru ħaːruw).”
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59a5ae No.13700592
>>13692024
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“The Eye of Horus is an ancient Egyptian symbol of protection and royal power from deities, in this case from Horus or Ra. The symbol is seen on images of Horus' mother, Isis, and on other deities associated with her. In the Egyptian language, the word for this symbol was "wedjat" (wɟt). It was the eye of one of the earliest of Egyptian deities, Wadjet, who later became associated with Bastet, Mut, and Hathor as well. Wadjet was a solar deity and this symbol began as her all-seeing eye. In early artwork, Hathor is also depicted with this eye. Funerary amulets were often made in the shape of the Eye of Horus. The Wedjat or Eye of Horus is "the central element" of seven "gold, faience, carnelian and lapis lazuli" bracelets found on the mummy of Shoshenq II. The Wedjat "was intended to protect the king [here] in the afterlife"and to ward off evil. Egyptian and Near Eastern sailors would frequently paint the symbol on the bow of their vessel to ensure safe sea travel.”
>> This is very different from the Hamsa and the Eye of Ra we saw earlier in this thread, both of them. I think a lot of people wrongfully associate all 3. A lot of anons and researcher consider the Wadjet as the origin of the EYE used by nowadays Bloodlines. It’s possible. But if that is the case, then I don’t understand how the Wadjet, a symbol from a ThunderBird, came into the ones following Seth and the other Evil Horned Serpents warriors like him. This is why, I think the Wadjet is something else.
Also anyone noticed how in the early times Hathor was depicted with the Wadjet? Remember what was said about her being the “mother” of Horus in some versions?
“Conflict between Horus and Set
Horus was told by his mother, Isis, to protect the people of Egypt from Set, the god of the desert, who had killed Horus' father, Osiris. Horus had many battles with Set, not only to avenge his father, but to choose the rightful ruler of Egypt. In these battles, Horus came to be associated with Lower Egypt, and became its patron.
According to The Contendings of Horus and Seth, Set is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having sexual intercourse with him. However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus (or Isis herself in some versions) then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food. After Set had eaten the lettuce, they went to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt. The gods first listened to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answered from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the gods listened to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answered from inside Set.”
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59a5ae No.13700599
>>13700592
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>> This resonates with Seth losing one of his testicles. Again, I think this “semen” issue is more symbolic than it being real. Lettuce was considered as an aphrodisiac in Ancient Egypt. Now you should ask yourself: why Seth’s favorite food was an aphrodisiac? Does a healthy man need an aphrodisiac?
“However, Set still refused to relent, and the other gods were getting tired from over eighty years of fighting and challenges. Horus and Set challenged each other to a boat race, where they each raced in a boat made of stone. Horus and Set agreed, and the race started. But Horus had an edge: his boat was made of wood painted to resemble stone, rather than true stone. Set's boat, being made of heavy stone, sank, but Horus' did not. Horus then won the race, and Set stepped down and officially gave Horus the throne of Egypt. After the New Kingdom, Set was still considered lord of the desert and its oases.”
>> I don’t know about you anons, but for me there is a possibility this section of the myth is actually talking about the survivors boarding the Ark to escape the great Flood. Nowadays the Ark on Mt Ararat is fossilized as it turned into stone, but back in the days it was made of wood. Maybe this is a bit stretched from my part, I don’t know, but I cannot help but to see it this way.
“In many versions of the story, Horus and Set divide the realm between them. This division can be equated with any of several fundamental dualities that the Egyptians saw in their world. Horus may receive the fertile lands around the Nile, the core of Egyptian civilization, in which case Set takes the barren desert or the foreign lands that are associated with it; Horus may rule the earth while Set dwells in the sky; and each god may take one of the two traditional halves of the country, Upper and Lower Egypt, in which case either god may be connected with either region. Yet in the Memphite Theology, Geb, as judge, first apportions the realm between the claimants and then reverses himself, awarding sole control to Horus. In this peaceable union, Horus and Set are reconciled, and the dualities that they represent have been resolved into a united whole. Through this resolution, order is restored after the tumultuous conflict.”
>> The concept of opposite duality exists here as well but this mostly is pointing out to the fight between good and evil = That eternal struggle between the forces of good and the forces of evil.
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59a5ae No.13700604
>>13700599
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“Egyptologists have often tried to connect the conflict between the two gods with political events early in Egypt's history or prehistory. The cases in which the combatants divide the kingdom, and the frequent association of the paired Horus and Set with the union of Upper and Lower Egypt, suggest that the two deities represent some kind of division within the country. Egyptian tradition and archaeological evidence indicate that Egypt was united at the beginning of its history when an Upper Egyptian kingdom, in the south, conquered Lower Egypt in the north. The Upper Egyptian rulers called themselves "followers of Horus", and Horus became the tutelary deity of the unified polity and its kings. Yet Horus and Set cannot be easily equated with the two halves of the country. Both deities had several cult centers in each region, and Horus is often associated with Lower Egypt and Set with Upper Egypt. Other events may have also affected the myth. Before even Upper Egypt had a single ruler, two of its major cities were Nekhen, in the far south, and Nagada, many miles to the north. The rulers of Nekhen, where Horus was the patron deity, are generally believed to have unified Upper Egypt, including Nagada, under their sway. Set was associated with Nagada, so it is possible that the divine conflict dimly reflects an enmity between the cities in the distant past. Much later, at the end of the Second Dynasty (c. 2890–2686 BCE), Pharaoh Seth-Peribsen used the Set animal to writing his serekh name in place of the falcon hieroglyph representing Horus. His successor Khasekhemwy used both Horus and Set in the writing of his serekh. This evidence has prompted conjecture that the Second Dynasty saw a clash between the followers of the Horus king and the worshippers of Set led by Seth-Peribsen. Khasekhemwy's use of the two animal symbols would then represent the reconciliation of the two factions, as does the resolution of the myth.”
>> This paragraph is truly amazing. On one hand they tell us Horus was the patron of Upper Egypt, on the other hand they tell us Seth associated with Upper Egypt. So which is it? I always thought that Seth was the prime deity in Upper Egypt…but….was I wrong? I honestly don’t understand which is what. Wonder why there is this mix up? But I do agree that the conflict never stopped: I think it lasted during the dynastic times all the way till the Lagides dynasty’s arrival. Also this conflict is much much older than what the Egyptologists think. I think it predates the pre-dynastic times.
“Golden Horus Osiris
Horus gradually took on the nature as both the son of Osiris and Osiris himself. He was referred to as Golden Horus Osiris. In the temple of Denderah he is given the full royal titulary of both that of Horus and Osiris. He was sometimes believed to be both the father of himself as well as his own son, and some later accounts have Osiris being brought back to life by Isis.”
>> This is obviously at a much much later time, so there is a mutation taking place here. See how things get mixed up easily and how far we are from the original context.
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2a21a3 No.13708916
>>13700604
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“Other forms of Horus
Her-ur (Horus the Elder)
Heru-ur (or Herwer), (Haroeris to the Ptolemaic Greeks), also known as Horus the Elder, was a form of Horus, where he was the son of Geb and Nut. He was one of the oldest gods of ancient Egypt. He absorbed a number of local gods including a hawk god Nekheny the nome of Nekhen and Wer (a god of light known as “the great one” whose eyes were the sun and moon) to become the patron of Nekhen (Hierakonpolis), the first national god ("God of the Kingdom") and later the patron god of the pharaohs. Nekhen was a powerful city in the pre-dynastic period, and the early capital of Upper Egypt. By the Old Kingdom he was simply referred to as Horus and had become the first national god and the patron of the Pharaoh.
He was called the son of truth – signifying his role as an important upholder of Maat. His right eye was the Sun and the left one was the Moon. Her-ur was sometimes depicted fully as a falcon, he was sometimes given the title Kemwer, meaning "(the) great black (one)".
Other variants include Hor Merti 'Horus of the two eyes' and Horkhenti Irti.
Heru-pa-khered (Horus the Younger)
Heru-pa-khered (Harpocrates to the Ptolemaic Greeks), also known as Horus the Younger, is represented in the form of a youth wearing a lock of hair (a sign of youth) on the right of his head while sucking his finger. In addition, he usually wears the united crowns of Egypt, the crown of Upper Egypt and the crown of Lower Egypt. He is a form of the rising sun, representing its earliest light.
Heru-Behdeti (Horus of Behdet)
The winged sun of Horus of Edfu and depicted on the top of pylons in the ancient temples throughout Egypt.
Her-em-akhet (Horus in the Horizon)
Her-em-akhet (or Horemakhet), (Harmakhis in Greek), represented the dawn and the early morning sun. He was often depicted as a sphinx with the head of a man (like the Great Sphinx of Giza), or as a hieracosphinx, a creature with a lion's body and a falcon's head and wings, sometimes with the head of a lion or ram (the latter providing a link to the god Khepri, the rising sun). It was believed that he was the inspiration for the Great Sphinx of Giza, constructed under the order of Khafre, whose head it depicts.
>> A reminder that we still don’t know whom carved originally the Sphinx, but as I’ve said before about this, I think it was re-carved = reshaped during the reign of Khafre to look like him.
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2a21a3 No.13708928
>>13708916
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“Other forms of Horus include:
- Hor Merti ('Horus of the Two Eyes');
- Horkhenti Irti;
- Her-sema-tawy ('Horus Uniter of the Two Lands'), the Greek Harsomptus, depicted like the double-crowned Horus .
- Her-iunmutef or Iunmutef, depicted as a priest with a leopard-skin over the torso;
- Herui (the "double falcon or Horuses"), the 5th nome god of Upper Egypt in Coptos
Celebrations of Horus
The Festival of Victory (Egyptian: Heb Nekhtet) was an annual Egyptian festival dedicated to the god Horus. The Festival of Victory was celebrated at the Temple of Horus at Edfu, and took place during the second month of the Season of the Emergence (or the sixth month of the Egyptian calendar).
The ceremonies which took place during the Festival of Victory included the performance of a sacred drama which commemorated the victory of Horus over Set. The main actor in this drama was the king of Egypt himself, who played the role of Horus. His adversary was a hippopotamus, who played the role of Set. In the course of the ritual, the king would strike the hippopotamus with a harpoon. The destruction of the hippopotamus by the king commemorated the defeat of Set by Horus, which also legitimised the king.
It is unlikely that the king attended the Festival of Victory every year; in many cases he was probably represented by a priest. It is also unlikely that a real hippopotamus was used in the festival every year; in many cases it was probably represented by a model.
The 4th-century Roman author Macrobius mentions another annual Egyptian festival dedicated to Horus in his Chronicon. Macrobius specifies this festival as occurring on the winter solstice. The 4th-century Christian bishop Epiphanius of Salamis also mentions a winter solstice festival of Horus in his Panarion. However, this festival is not attested in any native Egyptian sources.”
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