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2ee6e2  No.10398

Hey, anons.

I'm fairly into politics and conspiracies on a casual level, and others have attempted to redpill me on this Qanon stuff for the past several months. I've done research into the theory and there are some really basic things that I can't reconcile. As a disclosure, I do believe that there is secret pedophilic rings that do need to be exposed and shut down (and I think that Epstein is the real issue), and I do believe the DNC (and RNC) is completely and hopelessly corrupt.

To be brief, I'll only hit on my main questions, which I am sure has been asked before, but due to the nature of the board it's difficult to find the answers.

From what I understand, Q said that disinformation was essential in the positing that they are doing in an effort to mislead the enemies that are also following the drops.

If *any* of the information that he has given could be telegraphing "the plan" and how "the storm" will play out, then wouldn't his compromise the entire plan? I don't understand why you would attempt to mislead and give misinformation to those following the plan, as this could have substantial consequences and backfire. I know most of the anons here are level-headed, but about once a month there is a story of someone that got hyper-redpilled and did something in the real world that led to some real life consequences.

If I were planning an attack on someone, I would keep every single detail of the plan in complete secret until the plan was executed. I would not want there to be the smallest chance that my enemy would find out any part of my actual plan, and if I did reveal any information it would be 100% misinformation to throw my target off. I don't know of any military action where the plan to overthrow or disrupt an opposing force by giving them accurate information of how the plan was going to go down, or give them any kind of information to be decoded.

All information posted by Q is 100% public. The anons that bake the crumbs, do so in a public space, and put the conclusions up publicly. As dedicated and devoted as the anons here are, the supposed "deep state" has billions of dollars and significantly more man-power than the anons here have, and would be able to crack codes just as fast (or faster) than the anons on the board.

I've heard that the reason that the plan hasn't been put into action because it would cause was hysteria, and that the plan is being

executed currently, but they are using "clones" to further make the appearance of these people (which, honestly sounds really silly to me). You all know how cancel culture works in America right now, and if someone outed Hilary Clinton as a pedophile and arrested her, her base would turn on her overnight, and those people would be rabid supporters of the plan. It wouldn't cause, panic, it would cause unification.

The other nagging part that keeps me from believing in the Qanon movement is the first(!) post that Q made was misinformation. They stated that Clinton's passport had been seized, but she was able to travel outside of the country shortly thereafter.

tl;dr:

Q puts confidential information involving the execution of the plan to take down the "deep state" by publicly telling them what the plan is. Why do they do this?

Q's first post was disinformation and says that giving the followers of their movement continued misinformation in with the true information. Why follow someone who's initial guidance is not true?

Help me believe, anons. I want to see the corruption in the US end, so bad. I want to see criminals brought to justice.

Thanks, anon!

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ebb9af  No.10401

>>10398

First post did exactly what it was supposed to do. Get people’s attention, get involved, awaken the masses. Following along from the beginning, many, many, many, Q proofs given. So many it is now mathematically impossible to not be true. Lurk moar. You will be rewarded with a restored faith in our President, our Military, and Patriots! WWG1WGA,

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2ee6e2  No.10402

>>10401

I think it's pretty clear that the President follows Q. Looking through the Q proofs, the majority of them is the president signaling that he has read the posts.

With Flynn and the president's son obviously engaging in the Qanon community, I don't think it's a stretch that the president does this as well.

I can't say I've read through every Q proof (and I continue to so with another tab open while I wait for replies), and I'll continues to read through more.

I think there is also a possibly that the president is signaling to Qanon to continue the grassroots narrative to further his campaign. It would be fantastic viral advertising.

Thank you so much for the reply!

Still, the question remains, why broadcast the plan to the public when the enemy is listening?

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203b1c  No.10408

>>10398

> Deep State has significantly more man-power

That's where you're wrong, kiddo, especially on an IQ X number of persons front.

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6ea5d8  No.10414

>>10398

"I don't understand why you would attempt to mislead and give misinformation to those following the plan"

Ever play chess?

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2ee6e2  No.10445

>>10414

I have played chess quite a bit I was in some tournaments when I was younger. I can understand the idea misleading the opponent in order to get advantage, and that makes sense.

But with Q drops specifically, the misinformation is being given to /allies/, and not just the opponent. If I assume that the writers of Q are posting in good faith and that the over-arching messages they are sending are true, it would be beneficial to give the readers clear, transparent, true information that would not have an impact on Ops.

The military would not give the troops false information to attack the enemy, and from what I understand the current thought in the Q community is that the anons are the "Digital Soldiers" for the fight against the deep state.

Also, the ways that Q drops need to be decoded seems to be questionable (at least from an outsider perspective). Again, from an outsider, it seems like the writers are attempting to create plausible deniability for when things do not come true by putting messages in difficult to understand, need to be decoded and by stating that misinformation is part of the Q campaign. That way (from an outsider view) the Q team can boost the theories that were created from the posts when the events come to pass.

For example, anyone could take a stab at something that is likely to happen with a timeframe that could be interpreted in different ways, and then when it happens, repost the "predictive post" and say "future proves past."

In terms of coding, if I was trying to save a loved one, I wouldn't give them a puzzle to have them figure it out so they could get the vial information to keep them safe, I would be as clear as I could be in order to make sure they are saved.

As a side note, I notice in a lot of drops that the Q team instructs the reader to figure things out for themselves, and to not blindly trust (which I am 100% on board with). The irony is that once the Q drops are decoded, they get churned into the Q social media community and others follow this blindly without dissecting the posts themselves (which I have been trying to do, and it often proves difficult).

Thanks for the reply. I am very interested in this community, and all of the Q people I've engaged with online have been super nice.

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4bde0f  No.10447

The plan fundamentally requires shaking the hold that corporate media has on the public and awakening the public to the truth. This requires providing them information countering corporate media. Thus, Q must post. It is unavoidable.

Second, Q must provide the public hope in the face of seemingly hopeless odds. Thus, Q must post some information about the plan being implemented. It is unavoidable.

Third, while Q posts true information to awaken the public and give them hope, the logistics of the plan being implemented cannot be revealed to adversaries. Thus, Q must post misinformation about the logistics itself. Sometimes this cuts against objective #2 above (because posts revealed to be misinformation cause doubt in the public's mind), but again, it is necessary.

That's my best guess.

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c3bed6  No.10478

I think disclosure is coming this fall. Not only we are getting visitors from above,but below. Government has lied to us about the truths. They don't think we can handle the truth. Let us decide and God will handle the rest.

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9aa01d  No.10553

My take on this is:

1. Q needs separate channel from MSM for practical reasons (censorship) and plausible deniability in case of libel lawsuit etc. OK

2. It scares enemy and emboldens patriots...hinting at MI involvement i.e. 'You are surrounded' Scared people make mistakes. OK

3. It calms Patriots - everything is under control, no boogaloo BS OK

4. You just need enough breadcrumbs to keep enthusiasm going without giving much away. OK

5. Misinformation is part of it - psyop is needed OK

6. Before you can do anything substantial you need to have your people in the right places OK

7. It takes time. You need Q to keep enthusiasm/trust going. OK

BlackPill:

In the end, we know nothing. It can be just publicity op to keep support going, even if nothing is happening in order to secure 2020 - then cut some deals, prosecute some small fish and secure nice positions with established elite for selected few i.e. family and friends will be now part of Washington pantheon.

Or it can be another messianic cult (Jared) or even foreign interests infiltrating Deep State with unwitting support of Patriots. Mossad and/or FSB double bluff.

Bottom line:

Even if only small fish get punished, still better than Podesta in WH. Even if no policy changes are made - still better than increasingly Maoist Dems/Soros changes.

If we can't trust high ranking military personnel to be able to sniff out foul game, then we are doomed anyway.

By the fruits you will know them. We will see.

I think USA got infiltrated by Commies essentially. Seeking to to use USA to weaken national states worldwide (and USA itself) and establish World SocDem Government. Same plan with EU in 80's. USSR becomes more liberal, EU becomes compatible with USSR (EU structures model those of USSR) and it merges - peace and unicorns on Earth. That dream didn't die. China becomes more liberal, USA becomes more socialistic and they will merge one day under OSN.

USSR collapsed, KGB knew about the plan, that's why Putin went national and wary of the West. China finally realized that you can't liberalize Communism (it crumbles immediately if people are not under bayonets 24/7).

Then you have Israel interests fighting with Commies over WH to secure Israel future. And Saudis who play both sides because of Iran etc... total mess.

Get rid of Commies, tell Israel to calm the F down and back off before it triggers antiJewish sentiment (even more). I hope Jared is there for that role. Let Iran bleed out and brace yourself for China (real threat).

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01e80a  No.10721

>>10553

Thank you so much for the reply! I was on holiday, so I am just now getting back to the board. I apologize if it is frowned upon for bringing back threads that are pages deep.

This will be my last post if no one else wishes to engage, and I am very thankful for the considerate responses from the community I've gotten thus far. Here are the lingering questions I have about the movement.

I've been seeing a lot of sediment on the board about how foreign powers wish to infiltrate the US and cause division within the country in order to destabilize and make it easier to invade through the use of plants put into power much like the US has done to other countries in the past (like Panama and Iraq). I think this is a logical assessment, as it is fairly obvious that the US is far more divisive right now than it has been in at least the past 20 years.

The problems with Q, however, make be think that while there are truths to movement (government is corrupt, there is a real pedophilia scourge in the highest orders of power in the world, and they work together to make sure no one gets caught), the entire method that Q has used continues to be a confusing mess.

The great awakening (as I understand it) is based on spreading the light and truth to the population of the US (and the world) to let them know what's really going on and to let them know that that the good guys are in control and the bad guys have these sealed indictments on them that will be revealed and unleash the storm.

With the activity happening in the US, and with Trump facing significant battles in policy, if the good guys are in control, the situation is still very bleak. The US is more divided now than it has been in decades, and there is increasing civil unrest.

The Q team chose 4chan, 8chan and 8kun to speak the truth of the great awakening, which is very-much counter to the ideals that they claim to have. These boards are often fraught with very divisive content. One of the major trending phrases on this board is "fuck-niggers," and there has been the recent problem with posting images of nude underaged children on this very board.

This (at least from my outsider view) is the exact opposite of the message of Q, so it is absolutely inconceivable that a team that is seeking unity and Christian values would use a platform like this to spread the message. If the Q team is made up of elite intelligence of the US, there are thousands of others ways to get a message out anonymously to reach the masses effectively that does not go through boards like this.

My conclusions is that that Q appears to be yet another divisive, destabilizing force in America. I don't know if it is done by counterintelligence, or by a troll, but the impact that patriots will choose to follow Q drops to the point where they argue with family members is very sad. Q stands to sow seeds of doubt in any truth (be it from MSM or from Q itself) to demonize opposing forces to galvanize the following, and to divide families like all other partisan politics.

Anon, I agree with one of your major sentiments. We are doomed. We have a corrupt two-party system with extremists that want to establish absolute power over the people of the country. Unity and solidarity in anything in the US seems to be out of reach. I wish Q were true as it would give hope that things are going to change for the better, but it appears (again from my outside perspective) that is is made of Anon shit posts and grifters that exploit it for clicks and votes at the cost of robbing the very people who follow it of the joy of a unified family.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

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b9995d  No.10775

>>10553

Interesting how the "we are in quarantine and thus not publicly available" can also overlap with, "We've all been executed, but it would cause too much of an uproar for the pubic to be informed of this too early."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/queen-elizabeth-comes-out-of-quarantine-for-princess-beatrices-secret-royal-wedding?source=articles&via=rss

Supposedly one of the spawn of Satan got married to some other spawn of Satan, in a ceremony with only 20 demon chalices in attendance. Supposedly.

I wouldn't bet YOUR money that Elizabeth Windsor was still alive, her or any of her chickens.

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9aa01d  No.10780

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>>10721

Chans are filthy....places with freedom of speech usually are. Why not build their own platform ? - you need funding for that.

So far, Q's steps make sense. Just yesterday they took apart MS13 as predicted - you need to take out the armed wing first.

Divisions are big but I suspect most of the people are NPCs, once the narrative turns, they will follow.

So far, Q messages are very uniting. And Trump Admin is overtly friendly to Blacks and Jews.

The Far Right Trolls trouble me but in the end of the day they are reaction on Far Left's Identity politics. They push the swing more towards the middle?

Demoralization is a problem but Truth needs to get out. Commies were demoralizing USA for 40 years through movies and Universities. The Left is demoralized totally as it is. If Q succeeds, key institutions will regain credibility. If it gets swept under carpet then I would get worried.

I don't know though, how they expect to face the barrage from MSM once they push for arrests.

If they do it before elections it will be seen as coup. If they wait after they run serious risk of tampering or sabotage. Not sure about the timing. I would probably wait after elections.

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f221fd  No.10785

>>10780

Hey! Thanks for the reply!

I think it's a little silly to think that Jim Watkins has more disposable capital than the Department of Defense, or the NSA, or whatever division of the military/government the Q team is a part of. If the US wants to make an untraceable, anonymous way to release information, I'm sure they would have the funding to do so.

It's not just that the Chans are filthy, it's conflicting with the central message of the Q team's purpose and philosophy. These Chans are the home of racism, anti-semitism, and violence (along with the freedom of speech). I remember when THQ did an AMA on 8chan and had to do damage control just because they associated themselves with the site, and this is a /video game company/. Can you imagine how much of backlash the Q team would get if it was revealed to be true that they used 4chan/8chan/8kun as a method to give information to the public? It (in itself) is a reason why people doubt Q.

I've read things about how there are theories that pizzagate and Q were psyops by Trump's people to deflect the connections with Epstein and the accusations that he had raped a 13 year old (which was brought to him via a civil suit, and stories of the civil suit can be backed up by a missing persons report in reference to a "Maria" that disappeared).

Here's the question (I guess the first one I had). If Q has this essential misinformation in the drops, how does anyone even know that the sealed indictments are even real? How do you decide what is the "real truth" and the "needed misinformation"? How do we know that all of it isn't misinformation?

It seems like Q has been falling flat with the stuff about Sessions lately, and people online have noted the "post quality" of Q has dropped significantly since moving to 8kun and suspect that the original Q doesn't even post any more. Since Jim had access to the trip codes from 8chan, some believe that he is the one currently in charge of the Q drops.

I heard that Jim Watkins had mentioned that he doesn't believe the Qanon stuff here won't last past November in some kind of leaked messages between him and other site admin.

It will be interesting to see if Q comes to some kind of "conclusion" between now and November.

Thanks again for the reply, anon! The Q people have always been so kind!

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9aa01d  No.10823

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>>10785

What I say is obviously just a wild speculation.

NSA has $ to build their own platform but it would be traceable back to them. Some prosecutor could easily trace them and make a lot of problems i.e. shut it down just by court order. On 8kun they are safe and sound - plausible deniability.

4chan is full of NatSoc edgelords etc.. I don't like it. But it shows the platform is not under control of political correctness machine i.e. is not afraid to ask hard questions and hear whatever answer (yes many are obnoxious and retarded).

Frankly there needs to be some so called red-pilling done about the influence of AIPAC and ADL on US politics. Anti-Semitism will not go away if we are not sincere about many things. If we let ADL muzzle the debate, it will grow in the gutters as it does on 4chan....and unchecked. We need to clear the air before some Adolf opts for collective punishment. They are worried Trump is that Adolf. I don't think so. But he will hopefully clear the air and keep everyone safe.

Nobody knows if the Sealed indictments are real. MSM does not ask those questions. Independent research on 8kun is mostly few guys obtaining info from websites. Nobody goes physically around courthouses counting indictments.

Misinformation or not, what option do you have? Vote Biden because Trump might be lying about his intents through Q?

I'm not familiar with Sessions situation. I speculate that alliances and situations change.It is hard to judge.

Q "quality" is probably lower due to that he said all he needed to say i.e. show the battle plan, players and intent.

Something Trump can't say publicly on day one nor on year 4. People would freak out. Commies i.e. cabal and MSM were freaking out from day one. Because they know he is not a dud - just another grifter to cash in paycheck after 4 years ???

Many people freak out about him because he is not your poster boy nice guy. He is a dick (see Team America for reference).

Q crowd wants to see arrests. I get it. But as political realist - you have to change the system or it does not matter. And to change a system peacefully, you need to make some deals.

I'm very happy to learn FED the cash cow is getting in to Gov control and possibly restructuring. That is HUGE.

Bottom line:

If Q is right and sincere this is MAJOR SHIFT for the better (from a standpoint of non-communist)

If Q is just another clique taking hold - at least some change

I think we will see some arrests before November of mid-level people (Huma, Weiner level) and some Hollywood weirdos, just to keep the redpills and enthusiasm going. After Nov, if he wins and is not JFK'd or de-railed by China attacking Taiwan or some domestic terror etc. We might see lot of indictments unsealed. If he loses, we might see all indictments unsealed immediately ;-)

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