/prog/ - Programming

The board is dead as it is without scaring the newbs away.

>>4354

So what can we do to fix it?

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If there were already a couple of quality threads here you could try redirecting people from /tech/

>>3947

Pirate Visual Basic for DOS.

>>3952

>Visual Basic for DOS

Seems cool! And does that code transslate to C code?

>>3940

>>3909

This one is ok OP, just remember that you have to use pdcurses if you want it to be remotely portable.

>>3955

Thanks! But the terminal is to make it easier for me to explore and develop core mechanics.

>>3909

Curses programs don't tend to look nearly as good as that pic. That looks more like something made with the old DOS Borland TurboVision library. Anyway, Borland eventually released the source code for that library, and you might even get it to compile on your OS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Vision

You can still make nice stuff in Curses, but it's more work, and usually ends up looking more basic and less consistent than stuff made with TV.

There's also the S-Lang library, and various other alternatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Lang_(programming_library)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_user_interface

Learn Java, obviously. What kind of fucking question is that?

>>4358

An asshole answer for a legit question. I was hoping there was a C++ option I hadn't seen yet.

http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/127735/android-development-using-c-and-c

Companies look at everything you post online ever. HR is just as bad as they are depicted in movies. Much of the humor in movies like Office Space stems from the level of truth in it. Buzzwords are a must. Resumes are often screened by programs that prioritize the ones with more buzzwords and toss the ones with few to none. No human will likely read your resume, the US is full of short intention spans and idiotic employers.

The hiring manager will likely glance at or skim your resume, also looking for key words and hoping it isn't as boring as all the other ones they glanced at. They'll base there decision on how convincing you are, how confident/attractive you look, and how quickly you can turn the conversation into a friendly chat about the hiring manager's favorite topic, themselves.

Once you finally get a job, expect a bunch of idiots demanding impossible scenarios to be completed in an unrealistic amount of time.

Social skills and the ability to sell yourself are of the utmost importance. Basically, be everyone's buddy and feign interest in all the boring shit they tend to blab on about incessantly. Actual merit or knowledge is likely to lead to trouble if you flex it too much. If you come off as too intelligent, you may be seen as a potential threat. Also, don't go way above and beyond. People will see this kindness as a weakness and exploit you by dumping a bunch of work on you. They will also generally view you as a pushover and this can really hurt your chances for promotion.

You should write that tool yourself. I bet /tech/ would love to make a logo for it.

In case you're still looking, Google's Protocol Buffers. You can also use MsgPack or thrift.

Protocol Buffers have a JSON serialization format, but it's not available in all languages.

The word you're looking for is "serialization". Binary serialization is what it looks like you really want.

Based on your last sentence, google protocol buffers is exactly what you want.

>>4058

Interesting read. I'm in a somewhat similar situation.

I'm doing a double bachelor, one in math and one in cs. I spent a lot of time learning to program and I've done some stuff I'm proud of, but I still feel like I'm far from a real computer wizard. I just don't know what I should do to achieve it. I've written lots of software in many different languages, and study the theory behind it at my university; what more can I do? Yet I remain a noob.

>>4318

> Yet I remain a noob.

Keep doing more until you become a journeyman.

Also, learn English.

>>4105

studying =! school

>>4318

>>4058

Daily reminder that computer science has nothing to do with computers. If you wanted to become a computer wizard, then you should have studied electronic engineering. Computer science is the study of computation. You study computer science because you want to know about theory of computation which requires zero access to a computer.

If it's the only thing that makes sense for you to learn, do it. Become a computer wiz, use your degree to get employed (no degree is a serious disadvantage in the industry. Ridiculous? yes, but not all that they teach you at uni is useless).

The guy who wrote the OP pic is absolutely retarded. You don't just learn the syntax and are good to go. Programming is a craft, it is very common for a beginner to think that you can do EVERYTHING with your new knowledge, but as the years pass you realize that there is a lot to learn onwards. I've seen a lot of rookie code that looks like nothing but italian dinner.

You can become a computer wizard, and be much more competent than the bunch of mandeeps that line up for shitty monkey positions. There are a lot of mediocre people but there is always need for someone who knows the ins and outs of their trade.

>>4289

sticky seemed to be recommendations of math books for programmers (I've read a number of them) whereas I'm more looking for a programming book for mathematicians

>>4288

>is there a more general book I could read alongside, a guide to the structure and thinking process of programming?

Try this:

https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/

>>4293

yes! this is more what I was looking for thank you anon

>>4264

My reason for entering the world of programming was to make games, so I started with shittastical yet fun engines like GameMaker. Gave me a feel for what kind of structure a game program needs. Learning C# after having used gamemaker for years allowed me to see what object oriented programming and polymorphism really are. I am now trying to get my head around C++ OOP to develop in Unreal Engine.

Alacrity

It can work!

I had this idea because I wanted to make a browser-side BBCode parser. So users could edit it however they wanted easily.

So I needed an excuse…

>>3764

I'd like to see you faggots make a peer to peer chan like this.

>>3764

Prepare to be exploited m80.

You're going to let the user keep his forum files locally and then upload them to your server temporarily? Gonna be rough keeping that from backfiring.

>>4309

This x 100

>>3764

OP I'd say that the best way to do something like this is to have the user keep an encrypted file container not with their own information but with bits and pieces of everyone else's info a-la bittorrent. However, JS would not be the language to code something like this in. You'd be better off with C, C++, or even Erlang since you're going to be doing distributed computing. Might also want to peek at Pony because it uses object capabilities and actors. Some very powerful stuff under the hood.

I had a similar idea to yours. Its doable but it will ultimately fail if you do it in Javascript. The other user is right. Allowing some dick to upload info to your server is asking for trouble. Information has to be securely stored, tamper proof, and safely transmitted.

In summation: a distributed/P2P system that requires the user to upload his information is a good idea if its done properly. The user must not be able to edit his own info except through a secure web interface. The data itself MUST be encrypted. Otherwise you need a way to sandbox each user's code.

Maybe check out Google's Caja? Its a variant of Ecmascript that uses capabilities.

>>4282

Is this a virus?

>>4303

Please don't compile that code. It right fucked my computer… I'm getting a new HD today.

>>4257

>To be fair I had this problem too when I was a noobfag. I wanted to create new variables using a for loop but didn't know how the fuck to do that. Now I know you can't and must use an array.

You're still a noob. Learn how namespaces work, idiot.

>>3717

Sure, OP. Other fags here don't seem to know how to answer basic questions because they're actually stumped as to how to perfectly emulate your code. It's easy, actually.

for (var x = 0; x <= 3; x++) window['a' + x] = document.getElementsByTagName("audio")[x];

After that code runs, you can then reference a0, a1, a2, and a3 as normal.

You might want to consider making a namespace of their own to go into though, that way they won't just be tossed into the same group as everything else.

>>3720

Get off this board, idiot. Don't answer questions if you don't know the answer.

>>4276

Just build the habit of declaring variables const, man.

So… I decided to go full retard, if anyone's interested:

# This patch adds an option the the C compiler: -fdefault-const
# When this is enabled, everything will be a constant by default, and only be mutable if specified with the "mut" or "mutable" keyword.
# I tried to implement this the easiest way possible, by just flipping the const_p bit, and adding the keyword (reusing "mutable" from C++).
# Unfortunately, the fact that const_p is a single bit makes it hard to get everything right, as some checks assume that a keyword was specified only if the bit is on.
# As such, I had to flip the bit to "fix" a warning, but with a consequence: If -fdefault-const is enabled, it will only warn about "mut" being specified at the wrong places, and if not, it will only warn about "const".
# This was only tested and works with regular C. I haven't tested it on C++, so the option is unavailable there.
# The only effect this has on C++ is a new keyword: "mut", that means the same as "mutable".
# Also untested is compatibility with library headers such as libc.

--- gcc/c/c-decl.c
+++ gcc/c/c-decl.c
@@ -6128,6 +6128,7 @@
 
 	    /* Type qualifiers before the return type of the function
 	       qualify the return type, not the function type.  */
+	    type_quals ^= TYPE_QUAL_CONST * flag_default_const;  // Only has effect on the warnings given by qualifying a function.
 	    if (type_quals)
 	      {
 		/* Type qualifiers on a function return type are
@@ -9499,6 +9500,7 @@
   ret->expr_const_operands = true;
   ret->typespec_kind = ctsk_none;
   ret->address_space = ADDR_SPACE_GENERIC;
+  ret->const_p = flag_default_const;
   return ret;
 }
 
@@ -9546,6 +9548,11 @@
       specs->const_p = true;
       specs->locations[cdw_const] = loc;
       break;
+    case RID_MUTABLE:
+      dupe = !specs->const_p;
+      specs->const_p = false;
+      specs->locations[cdw_mutable] = loc;
+      b

>>4284

That's actually cool in a hacky way, but you are aware that that makes the language you are using not C, right? That will affect not only the code you write, but all imports as well, meaning many libraries will need their headers rewritten before you can use most of them.

>>4296

I'm aware. That's the reason for making it a compiler flag: if you want to compile external libraries alongside your own code, you just make them compile without that flag.

Library headers will need to be rewritten indeed, if they define structs you have to modify (as the members will be marked constant by default, and may need to be modified), or define any functions.

I'm writing an OS from scratch, so I don't feel the consequences as much as when working in an environment with tons of libraries.

Also, I updated it, fixed another warning related to functions with only void as a parameter.

http://chunk.io/f/4a714fd853a940dc9471c786121f6e04?lang=diff

> #define int

Yes, this seems like a good idea.

>>3824

>Learn how to design and use databases

These are good bonus skills but there's such thing as DBA staff

>>3822

There's some development related stuff like version control, continuous integration and testing, you probably won't read about those in general books on Java. You're probably not expected to be familiar with those as a junior, but then again, those are good bonus skills. And unlike databases, those 100% will be useful.

>>3825

Most of the time, I've been expected to make the whole application. That includes designing the database.

Gotta agree on version control, though.

>>3824

>>3825

All right, I'm saving those posts even though I don't yet know what most of the acronyms stand for. It seems that some research is in order.

Thanks guys.

>>3815

I learned this summer that lectures are fucking shit after I started studying my text books due to getting less than desirable grades last semester.

With text books you get full explanations and good examples instead of shitty TL;DR's and scribbled slides/diagrams.

>>3813

If you'd like to learn game development, I would suggest C# (which is like Java) and then moving on to Unity.

If you want to learn Java for games, after your beginners book I'd suggest Data Structures and Algorithms in Java by Peter Drake. It's an intermediate Java book which teaches many of the data structures you'd use in game and the examples are simple games which makes it fun.

If you want a day job programming, your best bet is to learn C# or Java, and SQL Database programming, and Javascript/CSS/HTML. You'll probably have to learn a ORM or two, but please make it a point to learn how databases work, because I run into programmers now who are clueless about how a fucking SQL works because they use shit like Hibernate their whole lives.

Really, if you had to learn just one thing to get a job, I'd say learn SQL and SQL Server. It's been around forever, it really doesn't change, and if you're near a major metro area you should be able to find a job with that.

>>4073

So, uh, he said that the main problem of haxe is being unpopular and hxcpp having high bus factor, that's all?

Kikewheels, let me post

>Is it just because it is unpopular

I hadn't heard about this language before seeing this thread. So, probably.

>Is it just because it is unpopular

I hadn't heard about this language before seeing this thread. So, probably.

Hotwheels pls, your site is defective

>>4076

> Is it just because it is unpopular

> that's all?

Also, the Haxe Foundation not making the necessary effort to spread the word that Haxe exist and is still actively being developed.

>>4036

It's fine, it's quite comparable to Java/C# (statically typed, garbage collected, OOP) but has a nice macros and slightly less verbose syntax. I enjoyed it.

Have you guys used openfl with haxe and the html5 target?

>>4154

Are you the guy that made this post?

https://8ch.net/prog/res/1410.html#4152

>>4106

C because you can learn it knowing EXACTLY what's going on, what the code is doing and what the hardware is doing.

Many people recommend super high-level object oriented stuff for a beginner language because supposedly it's easy to use and easy to understand because muh representation of reality with OOP.

Then they end up on stack overflow like "So I'm writing a hello world but the compiler says i'm missing an abstract virtual base private destructor".

In languages like python or c# it's easy to do advanced things with little code but you won't know how it all works and it will bite you in the ass later.

In C and perhaps other low level languages it's easy to know exactly what's happening.

>>4154

was trying to start with this but a black screen with a ">" is the only thing I see. What do?

>>4201

That's the REPL (read-eval-print loop). You type expressions in it, it evaluates and prints them.