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fd6f4c No.4241 [Open Thread]

hey /prog/

I'm having a little problem here that you can hopefully help me with, even though it's not a hundred percent programming related.

I have to do some frontend stuff in html and css. Thing is, last time I touched that shit was back in junior high, using macromedia dreamweaver. And doing the layout with tables and frames.

Do you guys know of any good html/css crash course tutorials, and maybe some useful "dev" tools?

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fd6f4c No.4242

If you dont care too much about the look but more about the funcionality, I would recommend you to use bootstrap or another html/css framework, they make that shit way easier. Its mean using html with a css and js made by another person basically.

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fd6f4c No.4246

go to codeacademy and do the html/css course.

After that use bootstrap, foundation 6 or mdl.

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5c45e7 No.4235 [Open Thread]

learning PHP right now. I bought some cheap ass kindle book and noticed that on the first chapter on variables it said that I add two variables like this

 $a = $b.$c;

the period acting as a plus sign. When I tried doing that all it did was put the two numbers next to eachother. After a quick google search I found that PHP actually uses "+" for adding and "." for concatenating strings, you know, the sane way.

Before I blast this author on Amazon for putting downright wrong information in their book, is there any reason the author would do this? is it something that was changed in PHP or is it downright wrong information?

pic unrelated

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5c45e7 No.4236

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>PHP

Sounds to me like your book is about as good as the language itself.

By the way, here's a good place to learn all you need to know about PHP:

https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/

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5c45e7 No.4240

>>4236

I know but it's what Wordpress uses so I need to learn at least a little bit about it

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5c45e7 No.4243

I know PHP. How do I git good with CURL. I want to make some webbots. Also know bit JS. I see lot of things on node, angular and shit should learn them to make some meme stuff?

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9da7eb No.4227 [Open Thread]

I'm wanting to lean programming… what should i start with?

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9da7eb No.4228

by lurking more

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9da7eb No.4229

literally everything you need is on this board already. look for it

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303b9f No.1082 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

Share your unpopular opinions. I'll start:

I think Python is the best general purpose language if speed doesn't matters.
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303b9f No.4196

Javascript isn't too bad, it's just being used for something it wasn't designed to do. Hence every update is essentially adding more duct tape to the shitshow that is the web.(not the mention the hell that is php)

Stallman has done good I'm glad for the GPL even if it's not for ever open source project but he is himself just mad, if he didn't start something he just doesn't like it and gets his followers to help.

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303b9f No.4216

There is a need in standard, high performance, dynamic language that also supports functional and OOP paradigms.

JavaScript perfectly fits this niche.

Modern javascript runtimes are very performant. V8 is the fastest compiler ever written for a dynamic language.

Using a modern dynamic functional garbage-collected language like JS speeds up development 3-5x compared to C/C++ (development time and source code size). No more segmentation faults, no more memory micromanagement. you write your application and it just werks.

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303b9f No.4217

My unpopular opinions are neatly summarized in this artwork https://ngnghm.github.io/

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303b9f No.4218

Best technology always feels like magic.

Best programming language should be just a natural language interface allowing the programmer-user to specify his/her task to the machine and have it executed.

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1181d0 No.5236

revival post

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a40d91 No.4202 [Open Thread]

I wanteds a 4x6 screen mode for a bespoke Z80 board with a 128x96 bitmap display… The likes of the ZXSpectrum sites have code for it, but they made use of lots of register rolls (enough of which to be slow).

Eh, I don't have much experience with Z80 coding (I was a C64 kid..), but it was fun.

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a40d91 No.4203

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…and here's the results.

The board has only 512 bytes of free RAM, that's only enough for testing the core routines with a few characters.. It'll get the entire ASCII character set when it goes into eprom.

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a40d91 No.4205

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>>4203

"Did I just write 920 bytes of code just to shitpost on my ex girlfriend?"

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a40d91 No.4213

>>4202

Wow! Impressive project, thanks for the post.

Ever seen any c64 demos?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDQseYNBNRQ

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2e559b No.3683 [Open Thread]

Hi /prog/.

I'm 17 and in my Senior year of high school. I love programming, and I recently scored an internship at a Software Engineering/Cybersecurity firm. I was one of 3 people out of the 10 that were interviewed that was chosen. I'm pretty pumped about it, and feel like this could lead to opportunities.

But I still want to talk to people that are farther than I am.

If this internship leads to some sort of apprenticeship that I can learn significantly more from, then I don't think I'm going to head straight to college to start working on a degree in Computer Science, mainly for debt and time-saving reasons.

However, if it doesn't, I'll probably head to community college and take classes to get knowledge and experience that I need to get started in the field.

What I want to know is, what did you do to get a career in programming going? What do?

I posted this on /g/ as well, but since this board is strictly about programming, I feel I should mention that I know HTML, CSS, some JavaScript and C++, and have been learning Java for a little bit (definitely looking like my favorite thing I've learned thus far).

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2e559b No.3697

>>3696

your physical appearance has an impact on how people perceive and interact with you. you will be perceived as a lazy slob if you're fat.

a high quality of life means you benefit from the positive feedback cycle, and in turn are presented with more opportunity.

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2e559b No.3730

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>>3696

Lifting has to do with respect and improved brain functionality due to greater HGH/blood circulation. Your dick will get bigger with better blood circulation too.

We're all going to make it.

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2e559b No.4181

>>3683

>what did you do to get a career in programming going? What do?

I got an AS degree at school, and made some important networking connections with other students and professors.

I then got an opportunity to interview with a small company and they quickly offered me a 90-day internship, after which they offered me a full time salary as an engineer.

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2e559b No.4186

>>3696

If you spend all your time on a computer you'll eventually hate it. You need a hobby that doesn't involve the logical part of your brain.

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2e559b No.4199

>>3684

>>3730

To add to this, attempt to sleep eight hours a day, this ensures optimal problem solving ability.

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9afbd1 No.4025 [Open Thread]

Rot13 thread!


key = 13
U = 'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ'
L = 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz'
rot13 = str.maketrans(U + L, U[key:] + U[:key] + L[key:] + L[:key])

print('rot13 is cool!'.translate(rot13))

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9afbd1 No.4127

#Rot13
alphabet = 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz'
key = 13
def rot(string,key):
out = ''
for i in string:
if (i.lower() in alphabet):
c = alphabet[(alphabet.index(i.lower())+key)%len(alphabet)]
out += (c.upper() if i.isupper() else c)
else:
out += i
return out
print(rot("I suck at programming.",key))

V fhpx ng cebtenzzvat.

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9afbd1 No.4128

>>4085

Fucking terrible. It can't even use capital letters.

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9afbd1 No.4161

File: 1461829522197.png (32.54 KB,595x623,85:89,gen2.png)

#!/bin/sh
tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M $*

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9afbd1 No.4175

A bit overkill but it was fun.


function makeTrans(inTable, outTable) {
if (inTable.length != outTable.length) {
throw new Error("makeTrans: inTable and outTable are different lengths.");
}

var dict = Object.create(null);
for (var i in inTable) {
dict[inTable[i]] = outTable[i];
}

var translate = function(text) {
var result = [];
for (var i in text) {
var ch = text[i];
if (ch in dict) {
ch = dict[ch];
}
result.push(ch);
}
return result.join("");
};

return {getDict: function() {return dict;}, translate: translate};
}

function makeCeaserTrans(key) {
key = key % 26;
var U = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ",
L = U.toLowerCase(),
inTable = U + L,
outTable = U.slice(key) + U.slice(0, key) + L.slice(key) + L.slice(0, key);
return makeTrans(inTable, outTable);
}

// demo
var rot13 = makeCeaserTrans(13);
alert(rot13.translate('Rot13 is cool!'));

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9afbd1 No.4198

dict = "nopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklm"

translate char

| char != ' ' = dict !! ((ord char) - 61)

| otherwise = char

map translate "go eat shit"

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b9294b No.4111 [Open Thread]

Hello /prog/, newfag here. I have about 7 years worth of experience programming professionally in various languages at various companies. Right now I'm out of work, and for all my job interviews the people ask if I'm an expert at [radom programming language] which I've used before. My trouble is I don't feel like an expert even though I smoke their technical questions. So I ask to you this, at what point in time did you realize you were an expert or at what point in time did you not feel like a fraud?

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b9294b No.4113

You may need to get better, but you can probably make do with a business translator.

"Expert" => "Reasonably competent."

"Ninja" => "Reasonably competent."

"Excellence" => "Reasonable competence."

"Exceed my expectations" => "Not be a drooling moron."

The scale of competency of programmers runs from

1. If you give them a task, they'll pretend to know how to do it and then produce nothing at all, while trying to keep the fiction up as long as possible. [DailyWTF candidates.]

2. If you give them a task, they'll produce something eventually, but it'll be complete shit and require a lot of further work before it can be used at all. [Indians.]

3. If you give them a task, they'll produce something that sort of works for you. Apply buzzword methodologies to distribute tasks over more of them, to have more done in the same time. Give them more time if you want a better product, repeat until product is good enough. [Reasonably competent programmers. The best anyone can hope for, and all that your interviewers are really selecting for.]

4. You work directly with them to produce a task, you supplying business information and they supplying technical information, and then they produce it, and it's awesome. Sometimes they come to you with a new thing that you realize you can find a business use for. [Experts.]

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b9294b No.4115

how about in regards to googling? Do even the awesome experts google to figure stuff out?

The reason i ask is the job im looking at now is going to pay me double what my last job is, and the new job is only a 4 month contract

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b9294b No.4184

I know that feel, though I'm far less experienced but I still know my way around.

Pretty much every programmer suffers from imposter syndrome.

>all my job interviews the people ask if I'm an expert at [radom programming language] which I've used before

You gotta figure out if they're a HR faggot spouting shit they don't know, or if they're an actual developer. If they demand you be an 'expert' they're probably the former. Use >>4113 as a reference.

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b9294b No.4185

>>4115

>Do even the awesome experts google to figure stuff out?

Yes. Even Carmack googles.

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b9294b No.4197

>>4111

Say you are an expert. You're a programmer, you know the fundamentals, you can be good enough in any given language within a week. HR has no idea what they want or need.

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ef2e2e No.4193 [Open Thread]

Has anyone here ever made a bot.?

More specifically an online poker bot?

It seems like a fairly simple starting point with possibility of profit.

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536640 No.4169 [Open Thread]

I'm currently working on a Chip-8 interpreter after a rolling it in a challenge thread on /g/, but I decided to take it a step further.

I want to make it cross platform compatible with every system and operating system possible. Linux (which I'm currently focusing on with SDL and ncurses (after I get it working with SDL) support), then Windows and OS X. I also want to use something like Turbo C for DOS and cc65 for C64 and Apple ][.

Is it at all possible or realistic to do this with one "project" and using several io_<platform>.h/c and #ifdef PLATFORMNAMEs without splitting it up into multiple projects, or am I completely full of shit?

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0f8736 No.4129 [Open Thread]

Hello /prog/ I am interested in learning about data transfer and file formats. I have a final project to do for my college program(a whole year away), and would like to get some project ideas or maybe even start it early.

I've been curious about how image data is formatted for example, but never had the time to learn since I had to focus on school work.

During this summer break I would like to learn to be able to programmatically manipulate images, transfer files using IR, and cool stuff like that. Any recommendations for books dedicated to the topic? Or at least websites/videos?

Lastly I am curious to learn about data transfer using RF. Is it possible to transfer files faster by using 4 different transmitters/receivers operating at different frequencies in parallel?

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0f8736 No.4134

Not knowing what Google is.

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0f8736 No.4148

>>4134

>2016

>current year

>using (((google)))

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7c5b80 No.4144 [Open Thread]

What in the god damn is wrong with my Python code?


from math import sqrt
a=float(input("a="))
b=float(input("b="))
c=float(input("c="))
posQuad=(-b+sqrt(b**2-4*a*c))/2*a
negQuad=(-b-sqrt(b**2-4*a*c))/2*a
print(str(posQuad) + ", " + str(negQuad))

It keep giving me a 'ValueError' for not calling math for 'sqrt' even though I did in the first line and when I do it individually for each 'sqrt' function, it gives me a 'NameError math not defined'.

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7c5b80 No.4147

I ran it, got this:


$ ./trash.py
a=3
b=2
c=1
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "./trash.py", line 7, in <module>
posQuad=(-b+sqrt(b**2-4*a*c))/2*a
ValueError: math domain error
$ ./trash.py
a=1
b=5
c=1
-0.20871215252208009, -4.7912878474779195
$

You're not running into an error about not declaring math. That's a math domain error. If your error was about the module, you'd get a NameError. Python doesn't make assumptions like you think it does. If you used sqrt without importing it, it wouldn't tell you shit about the "math" module, it would just complain that it doesn't know what sqrt is. Think about what a "domain" is in math. The problem is that you are using numbers that make your determinant negative, which means you're running a square root of a negative, which python's math module can't do.

A bigger issue is your order of operations is fucked up. Quadratic equation is x = (-b +/- sqrt((b^2) - (2ac)))/(2a). The way you have it there is wrong because order of operations places multiplication on the same precedence as division, which multiplies a after the division, effectively putting a in the numerator.

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1b8cd5 No.4110 [Open Thread]

Okay so i have done a little here, little there on codeacademy and i have very basic knowledge on python… I would like to learn java, c# and html to make my own programs or websites.

Do you have anything to recommend? Ex: reading material, website, torrents, blogs…?

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1b8cd5 No.4114

>want to make websites

>know python. expect to learn java, c# and html

To make websites, you need to know HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and some backend language. For the backend language, I suggest PHP. Not because it's good – it's complete shit – but because it's ubiquitous and there's a ton of information online about it and because you can save a lot of time by starting with WordPress or like.

Forget about Python, Java, and C#.

To learn JavaScript, read http://eloquentjavascript.net/ . Don't just run your eyes over the paper. Make webpages and node scripts as you work through the book.

For HTML and CSS, have https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ open all the time and STFW as you want to do things. Make sure you're reading about HTML5. Learn how to use your browser's developer console.

Since I already knew superior server side languages and was free to use them (read: I don't have a job in web development so nobody told me to use PHP) I never properly learned PHP and can't give you any advice on learning it, except that so many people use it that searching the web or stackoverflow.com or php.net documentation in particular should help you muddle things.

There actually is web development work in Java and C#, but if you aren't actively applying for those jobs or looking to move into one I wouldn't bother.

JavaScript is primarily put to evil and stupid ends, but it's a decent language and it can be put to very clever use. Don't forget about it except when you have something evil or stupid to do.

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1b8cd5 No.4136

>>4114

We use python for the backend at our company and so do many others including google. Python is a perfectly reasonable for a backend language.

OP, don't take advice from an anonymous image board.

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cdbcf9 No.1529 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

What is the fastest way to program?
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cdbcf9 No.3901

>>3625

I'm still new to MVVM as well, but once you start working in bigger projects it has its benefits.

I have to work with C#/.NET and XAML using WPF. While it's still a pain to implement, it makes development of multi-lingual text resources with separated UI and data access bearable and maintainable. When you have to change to another database, you can switch out the entire data access stuff out for something else. Same with the UI, especially when you get a customer in a new country.

What I can't get around is VS12 and TFS (which I have to use); I think they suck huge cock.

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cdbcf9 No.3906

>>3625

It's useful for webdev, on pages that are way more complicated than they need to be.

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cdbcf9 No.3912

>>1898

This! Pretend that you're going to compare a lot of numbers in order to find out the highest etc.

Now try to do that without matrixes.

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cdbcf9 No.4071

>>1532

Found the autistic retard.

lrn2steno, faggot.

>>1529

Shitting out code in high-level languages and copying and pasting shit from other people while you import 90 fucking libraries and modules.

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cdbcf9 No.4121

>>1529

Think fast and type fast.

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3f51ca No.4101 [Open Thread]

I would like to learn programming with the arduino platform, I do not have any relevant programming experience so a book with good programming explanations would do great.

Anyways I have been tinkering around with arduino and have a decent understanding of electronics so that wouldnt be necesary.

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3f51ca No.4103

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