/prog/ - Programming

quell warning

Supress warning

>>5477

annihilate warning

decimate warning

destroy warning

Thank you guys so much for posting these amazing resources. I'm gonna get cracking on building a nice project using the info you've all given me.

That's life buddy.

Just ask a question about their lives and move on.

>>5373

Yup, they're definitely talking behind your back

>>3753

Reverse engineering.

It's a highly coveted contract job that pays probably the most money of any other computer science topic and you absolutely don't have to talk to anybody except "where is my paycheck".

If you're already doing low level, you can do reverse engineering, you can esp do abstract reverse engineering which is what GrammaTech does, using lisp to split up the program logic and any kind of source you want, to produce highly obfuscated binaries the kinds of which nation state malware uses.

test

>work in low-level kernel/driver development

>I'm a motivated self-learner

How'd you get a low level programming job? I can't get shit without a degree. Any tips?

>>4361

!!value

>>3628

Yeah it has although the name eludes me.

>RPN Lisp

Haskell without currying

low hanging fruit: java without semicolons

How to RICH with FORTRAN?

>>5234

sell tutorials to hipsters

>>5237

Don't forget the gaudy html

lolz

lolzes

ha

ha

Just found it. Looks like here is another place to shit post.

>>5425

In order to make use of domain specific features as matters of convenience and productivity. The theory of Turing completeness means that the functionality will be equivalent in the end. That doesn't mean that the programming effort to reach that point is equivalent.

>>5432

that's a fallacy.

as i already said same can be achieved with a library.

>>5315

>C's compiler technology is probably the most advanced of all

LOL. Fortran has been far ahead of C forever. They just finally got a major optimization into C compilers on par with Fortran and there are others.

IIRC they also got Common Lisp (CMUCL?) on par with Fortran for some numerical compilations ages ago and kept it for a little while.

No specific memory but I bet Java got up there pretty good.

I would say it's less safe because of the popularity of Python.

>>5399

Explain.

>>5400

I didn't give it much thought to be honest. Consider it a shitpost

>>5396

>not writing down your password

If you're writing a production-grade (what that means is up to you) password manager, you're going to want a rock-solid crypto library and a stack that you can ultimately trust. If Python provides that for you, then sure. You also have to consider the vulnerabilities and limitations of the programming language itself. You might also write a front-end in Python to a more secure (read: low-level) back-end, but then you have to deal with vulnerabilities at the language barrier and in any kind of RPC system you might use if you're not doing everything locally. I'd just stick with a low-level language like C, C++, or Rust. Something like Go should be relatively fine too for a personal-use password manager.

java

yes

>>4349

>java

It's shit. Start with something like Python, Ruby or Scheme/Racket instead. After that, try C/C++ to get a slightly better understanding of how the machine works.

I would learn Java, though getting old. It's easy to learn and the main bulding blocks of the language are found in any other programming language. Furthermore it's quite similar to C#. But If you want to get a job you have to dive deeper in the ecosystem. Learn Frameworks, stuff like gradle, maybe kotlin. Do some research if you want to find a job. But Java is a good startibg point.

>>4350

Yeah it isn't the best. But the learning curve is high. And Python has a more distinct syntax which makes the transition between languages harder if you're a beginner. Ruby. Is good for web programming. If you want to go into that field, but then sure go for Ruby. C++ in my opinion is just too much if you're starting out. The language has too much to offer. As i said above. Start with Java, do some Job research and then make transition.

>>4350

>java is shit

>try python, ruby

modern languages with the beginners charm fall apart quickly when you move to advanced stuff.

start with c/c++ , then java.

what are some comfy systems to learn assembly for if you want to start from nothing like Terry and build something akin to an os? like easy basic graphics/hardware interfaces in assembly. i guess i could go for a ti-84 but i want something more featured, preferably better than a c64 but that's probably getting into graphics accelerators and i have no idea what i'm doing.

again i have no idea what i'm doing or what i want since i'd also want a system with a good emulator so i dont have to pay an arm and a leg. i guess i'm stuck with a ti-84 in reality. the c64 emulators i tried wouldnt even run BASIC commands so i dont think that's the way to go. just jumping into x86 or A64 (i have a rpi) seems like trying to learn to swim by diving in lava.

should i just focus on C and not give a shit about assembly?

>>5457

MIPS is popular for learning, it's relatively simple but had actual hardware.

>>5458

thanks, i'll take a look

>>5457

Learn RISC-V.

MIT's entire 6.004 class is open sourced, including the lectures which are all on YouTube https://6004.mit.edu/web/spring19/resources/lectures

You can buy these chips for next to nothing, and program them from the ground up yourself. A hardware hacker's dream. India and some other countries are working on a total replacement for ARM using RISC-V. Learn it now and get in on that action if it ever happens.

>>5454

WASM right now is just a MVP, meaning minimal viable product so it's missing tons of features. You need to jerryrig a lot of things to get it to work.

That said, when it finally is a real prototype, you will be able to compile WASM binaries in any language and yes it will likely eat the world as we know it where your browser merely pushes a binary and all those web app stores are obsolete. In fact almost everything will be obsolete because they want native resource access in the final prototype meaning an application that is just pushed through your browser and has native access to everything including your video card in order to render graphics. Programs like Windows Word or whatever will be this type of binary, fully owned by a remote company and just lended to you through a binary push. We're entering a radically different style of computation where RMS was essentially correct, the bulk of computation will be done remotely on closed source ecosystems and just pushed to you through a dumb terminal.

Hey, I'm learning Python, specifically Python 3.6. I came across an issue involving tuples, specifically with:

tuple.index(x)

Whenever x is a variable defined by an input, it gives me a value error saying it is not in the tuple. Is there some work-around?

I can provide the original code and error message as needed.

>>50378

if i remember then input is a string and needs to be convertet to an int if you want to use it with index

>>5378

https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#index-19

"""8. index raises ValueError when x is not found in s. Not all implementations support passing the additional arguments i and j. These arguments allow efficient searching of subsections of the sequence. Passing the extra arguments is roughly equivalent to using s[i:j].index(x), only without copying any data and with the returned index being relative to the start of the sequence rather than the start of the slice."""

While this is poor design, it is documented behavior. The workaround is:

>>> import operator
>>> import functools
>>> def seqindex (seq, item):
...    return next (
...       map       (operator.itemgetter (0),
...       filter    (operator.itemgetter (1),
...       enumerate (
...       map       (functools.partial (operator.eq, item),
...       seq)))), -1)
... 
>>> seqindex ((1, 2, 3), 3)
2
>>> seqindex ((1, 2, 3), 4)
-1
>>> 

>>5378

OP here, fixed the code, works fine now. I appreciate the help.

>>5378

Was it a type thing? Did you have a tuple with integers in it, nad were trying to find the index using a string variable?

It would be nice if this place was more active, since the start of this year /tech/ has been filled with /g/-types who can't program and instead shit up the board with consumerist shit.

>>5311

I feel you. /tech/ was already filled with idiots beforehand, but it's gotten really bad recently. For what it's worth, I'm monitoring this board. Just start a thread about something you want to talk about.

>>5434

>Can we just get the standard board font here? This is unreadable.

--

Deleted meta thread. Any other opinions on the above? I can change the font to something else or let it be the default if it's annoying. Would a monospace font be interesting?

I find the font easy to read. However, could it be possible to wrap each post around a square or a line that separates from the post above? it would make reading a lot easier.

>>5439

Sounds straightforward enough, I added a faint line above replies.

8chan is a piece of shit though so the change may not be visible yet.

>>5430

Then GNU is not Unix-derived because it is an independent implementation of Unix that wasn't derived from any Unix heritage.

>>5431

"Unix-derived" referred to the design, not the source.

>GNU

>>5433

To be Unix means having a lineage from the old versions of Unix which was actually built from the source code. To be Unix-like is to reimplement the Unix system in a clean room implementation.

>>5437

Thanks for lecturing me on what my own words meant, clearly I wouldn't know that myself.

>>5438

No worries friend, happy to be of help.