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5398cf No.13587089 [Last50 Posts]

This thread is meant to be an attempt to continue /sfg/ from 4chan. This seems like a good board for such a thread. Spaceflight discussion usually has a lot of relevance to politics, /pnd/ has little activity and /g/ is software oriented. However, this thread is meant for discussion of spaceflight in general and not just the politics of spaceflight.

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a5c2e3 No.13587099

>>13587089

good, lets do it. i just started a thread about trying to regroup whatever General threads people used to hang out in.

we definitely need /sfg/ back together.

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5398cf No.13587101

File: 1333b1f136a2cd0⋯.jpg (871.15 KB,3790x1875,758:375,006aWhMSgy1i0k0euyq1sj32xa….jpg)

Landspace ZQ-3, one of China's F9 clones, being assembed. Next to it is a ZQ-2 also being assembled

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a5c2e3 No.13587109

File: 6ba62b7f1a212ec⋯.jpg (235.88 KB,1024x1024,1:1,1739081390916140.jpg)

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/

good launch tracker

also; never forget the astro tomboys

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a6d014 No.13587146

File: 6512a09f0e9cd52⋯.png (61.26 KB,200x200,1:1,1682631734833388.png)

>>13587089

The goal of humanity must be to rape the universe

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79c00d No.13587152

File: eefbdb31b4eaae1⋯.png (1.84 MB,1502x832,751:416,eefbdb31b4eaae13c936374c8b….png)

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a5c2e3 No.13587283

>>13587089

do we want to just start an actual /sfg/ thread? it can be its own board instead of sitting on /pol/ if its looking promising.

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f2f96f No.13587318

File: 7550958c584ed5f⋯.png (5.55 MB,3504x2318,1752:1159,Screenshot_2025_04_17_at_5….png)

>>13587089

Why is NASA so jewish all of a sudden?

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e85618 No.13587401

>>13587099

Ah, finally I can call you fuckers filthy kikes and Jeets and not have to worry about some assmad kike janny banning me for calling you midwits out for your cuckoldry.

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f2f96f No.13587439

File: 0e20d1d1a199b36⋯.png (9.95 MB,3872x2562,1936:1281,Screenshot_2025_04_17_at_5….png)

>>13587401

based.

The aliens are antisemitic and that's why they won't talk to us.

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d25e58 No.13587442

>>13587089

Oh thank god I found this, I need my daily /sfg/. I was getting withdrawal symtoms.

>>13587283

depends on if 4chan stays down for much longer.

I'd say for now just stay here, because I think this is the place where most 4chan refugees would come to look.

IDK if they'd find a "dead" /sfg/ board down at the bottom of the list with few unique IP's and PPH compared to this thread on /pol/.

Tho I'm mostly a lurker anyways and never staged a thread myself, so I'll just follow the masses.

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a5c2e3 No.13587664

>>13587401

flat earther? all that will happen is that your stupid posts get hidden. /FEG/ off cultist scum.

>>13587442

>this is the place where most 4chan refugees would come to look.

>this is the place where most 4chan refugees would come to look.

good point. here it is then. the idea of no /sfg/ at all was starting to get to me.

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e85618 No.13589359

>>13587664

>Everyone who disagrees with me is a flat earther.

How does it feel having no real arguments or originality at while paradoxically believing yourself to be intelligent?

/sfg/ was always the worst thread on /sci/ as well as the most heavily moderated. You retards won't last a week without your kike janny gatekeeping your echo chamber of same think circle jerking.

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717934 No.13589608

File: 7f0235931ddc05b⋯.jpg (66.05 KB,500x1000,1:2,longcat_superheavy_catch.jpg)

At least the timing hasn't been bad regarding launches. Just Jeff's flying dildo.

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1f1621 No.13589637

File: 25495f936706823⋯.jpg (178.48 KB,500x947,500:947,n355uy7575.jpg)

space is fake n ghey

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5e8e0d No.13590982

>>13587401

flat earther? all that will happen is that your stupid posts get hidden. /FEG/ off cultist scum.

>>13587442

>this is the place where most 4chan refugees would come to look.

>this is the place where most 4chan refugees would come to look.

good point. here it is then. the idea of no /sfg/ at all was starting to get to me.>>13589359

>/sfg/ was always the worst thread on /sci/ as well as the most heavily moderated.

then just go away if you dont like it. what offends you so much about people who like rockets?

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5e8e0d No.13591144

>>13589608

Vandenberg spacex launch tomorrow. Pretty early morning i think, at least for most north americans

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b70a76 No.13591233

File: c889d8d0625484d⋯.png (265 KB,740x631,740:631,1724998331962524.png)

Forget Mars, seed Venus CO2 with GMO Algae then STAND BACK! :)

Venus has polar regions colder than Earth at about right pressure. With high concentration of CO2, plants wont need outside water and could probably get all the water they need by cracking O2 off CO2 and maybe that Sulfuric Acid rain.

They say if all offspring of two house flies survived in 6 months the Earth would be covered with flies 60ft deep. Those are the type of numbers possible with Venus.

The Jewish fake science guy Carl Sagan said Algae on Venus wouldn't terraform it because as soon as O2 happens it will burn the hydro-carbons due to pressure and heat. Yeah, maybe some but I'm pretty sure deposits would start forming and "life would find a way".

All we need is a few small Seeders and the right types of Algae.

Days on Venus last about 1 Earth year, but many Earth life forms also run on 1 year cycle.

Its almost like Venus was designed to support life, with just a kick off to get the snowball rolling.

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5e8e0d No.13591249

>>13591233

i dont want Venus to be covered in 6oft of flies

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5e8e0d No.13591335

File: de70b3262e9e7be⋯.jpg (281.16 KB,955x954,955:954,apmisc_LM_noID_29.jpg)

for me it has to be the LM

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ab3b01 No.13591565

File: 0c6ae01b47720f3⋯.jpg (151.48 KB,1024x768,4:3,1725245562539201.jpg)

>>13591249

first it would be covered in 400ft of rotting Algae (think "low tide") but with also strong odor of rotten eggs from the Sulfur of the Sulfuric Acid rain.

Then send it the worms, which without predators will grow to fantastic size and vigor, and turn cannibalistic. Literal "living mountains" of worms.

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3102a6 No.13591573

Sometimes I stick objects in my butt

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c06121 No.13591630

>>13591233

Great except the pressure on Venus would crush you like a bug unless you could buildi floating settlements miles into the atmosphere that could somehow constantly resist the pull of gravity.

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5e8e0d No.13591649

>>13591565

it just feels like there might be some issues with this plan. can't quite put my finger on it though.

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5398cf No.13591885

Is the US government really going to go through with these drastic NASA cuts?

>science programs would receive nearly a 50 percent cut in funding

>A two-thirds cut to astrophysics, down to $487 million

> a nearly 50 percent cut to heliophysics, down to $455 million

>a greater than 50 percent cut to Earth science, down to $1.033 billion

>a 30 percent cut to Planetary science, down to $1.929 billion.

>Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope

>DAVINCI

It seems ridiculous, but this US administration is one that's currently also trying to destroy top research institutions across the US, so they might actually intend to push through with all these cuts

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/04/trump-white-house-budget-proposal-eviscerates-science-funding-at-nasa/

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5398cf No.13591892

>>13587146

You make it sound like a bad thing. I prefer the term "colonize"

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8ad66c No.13591903

File: 1f095ea218db963⋯.webm (2.29 MB,320x240,4:3,Lunar_LiftOff.webm)

>>13591892

Good evening svensk anon.

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b40f18 No.13591916

File: 41752cfaf3f7701⋯.jpg (34.36 KB,655x527,655:527,02f.jpg)

First time in this general frens. What nations are the best at manufacturing satellites? What nations are the best at manufacturing rocketry?

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5398cf No.13592058

File: 24f0fea692697ac⋯.png (69.66 KB,985x472,985:472,wiki_2024_in_spaceflight.png)

>>13591916

In terms of number of orbital launches, number of payloads launched to orbit, and total payload mass launched to orbit, the US is the leader by far. This is mainly due to SpaceX's Falcon 9 and Starlink

Number 2 is China, mainly due to CASC.

Number 3 is Russia with Roscosmos

European Ariane 5 was retired in 2023 and Vega C was grounded due to a second stage failure in 2022, however Europe is now getting back in the launch game with Ariane 6 and a fixed Vega C

In terms of launch technology, the US is also number 1. They have an operational partially reusable launch system (SpaceX's Falcon 9) which, unlike the Space Shuttle, seems to actually save money. US engine technology is arguably the most advanced (e.g SpaceX's Raptor and Blue Origin's BE-4). There are companies in other countries working hard to develop similar technology (especially in China), but they have yet to deploy it

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5e8e0d No.13592210

>>13592058

nobody seem to have satellites on the same level as the US either. they've got the best telescopes, mars orbiters, the LRO, even the Voyagers are still going. The japs have some nice weather sats, but again the US seems to lead in that area too.

its an interesting thing to think about.

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8ad66c No.13592325

>>13592058

>Iran

Rockets in the sense nukes?

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b40f18 No.13592333

File: 9c74785fa4e91a7⋯.jpg (75.42 KB,735x726,245:242,1736385455209782.jpg)

>>13592058

Thanks anon, interesting stuff. What about the UK? I know they were trying to launch their own satellites, don't they make a lot of satellites?

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04393f No.13592358

>>13592058

> This is mainly due to SpaceX's Falcon 9 and Starlink

> America 1 failure

Do you not know how many launches spaceX failed?

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5e8e0d No.13592374

>>13592358

in the beginning? sure. but over the length of the operational life of the Falcon 9 and Falcon 9 Heavy, what percentage of launches have failed? They are landing boosters at a rate higher than some countries launch success rate.

let that sink in

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5398cf No.13592409

>>13592210

The chart and table are for the year 2024

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f2f96f No.13592418

File: 48f0e0e3950f4b0⋯.jpg (2.29 MB,5808x2562,968:427,Screenshot_2025_04_18_at_1….jpg)

>>13587089

The only reason the US is lagging behind China and others in Spaceflight and science is because of the trillions we give to Israel with nothing in return. Why are we sinking so much money into this tarpit? The Israeli's are all retarded and can barely operate the tools we give them. The libs are right to try and divest from Israel, it's a waste of time and money.

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d25e58 No.13592660

Anyone heard of that K2-18b biosignature stuff?

Actual first evidence of extraterrestrial life or a nothingburger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82cLukqLgME&ab_channel=JohnMichaelGodier

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5e8e0d No.13592687

>>13592418

> US is lagging behind China and others in Spaceflight

how do you figure thats the case?

>the trillions we give to Israel with nothing in return.

well thats probably true. same with the gorillions to africa and so m any other places. if the US hadn't decided to cancel Apollo and increase immigration, social programs and massive foreign aid (plus random wars) there would definitely be bases on at least the moon and mars, with maybe some action on various larger moons and more orbital stations around all of the above.

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5c8b5f No.13592700

irrelevant in the face of impending micronova. we're going back to the stone age, again.

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5e8e0d No.13592732

>>13592700

thats crazy

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b40f18 No.13592806

File: df14979a2a7a6e3⋯.jpg (93.27 KB,750x736,375:368,1713907670949132.jpg)

>>13592660

Not a nothingburger, they're checking the data. I think they're confident the data is accurate from the James Webb telescope but they have to check. If it is accurate then it could mean from our current understanding, that there is marine phytoplankton on K2-18b. Which would mean that there is strong evidence of life beyond our own planet. They have already found evidence for methane and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of K2-18b before but now they also picked up DMS/DMDS(dimethyl sulfide/dimethyl disulfide) which is produced by phytoplankton here on Earth. This bit is straight from the University of Cambridge article I'm pulling from.

>The observations have reached the ‘three-sigma’ level of statistical significance – meaning there is a 0.3% probability that they occurred by chance. To reach the accepted classification for scientific discovery, the observations would have to cross the five-sigma threshold, meaning there would be below a 0.00006% probability they occurred by chance.

Once solar exploration really kicks off we will more than likely find microbial life in our solar system, microbial life that we can see with our own eyes under a microscope rather than through gasses gained through a telescope. Microbial life beyond Earth is highly likely, the real question is there intelligent life?

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717934 No.13593084

>>13592333

UK produces some satellites, but Europe in general is poorly suited for rocket launches because it's too far North and has no unpopulated areas to it's immediate East. You can do Northward polar or sun-synchronous launches from the UK or Norway, but there is only so much demand for those orbits.

You could almost launch from Spain's Eastern coast and thread the needle along the Mediterranean toward Cairo, but it's just too narrow of a corridor, full of coastal/island cities and lots of marine traffic.

Europe has a big open Western coast, but Westward launches are quite rare, because the Earth spins West to East. Launching into a Westward (retrograde) orbit means fighting the Earth's rotational velocity, which means you need significantly more delta-v and thus a larger more expensive rocket.

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986c85 No.13593401

>>13591630

You can use balloons that self-replenish their gas supply by separating oxygen from the atmosphere's CO2. In fact, they could even use this to raise and lower the altitude of the craft.

There are already species of bacteria on Earth that resist and thrive in environments high in sulfuric acid, and bacteria do live in our own upper atmosphere. If we were to engineer a strain that can thrive in recreated Venetian conditions here on earth, then we could send colonies to Venus with the goal of making the atmosphere much thinner and more habitable.

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e85618 No.13593913

File: f7ca106e48dfc95⋯.jpg (50.31 KB,506x450,253:225,Kill_Whity.jpg)

>>13587664

>>13589359

Looks like I broke the bot almost immediately.

>>13589359← you are here

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e85618 No.13593959

File: e88d6aeb9907f06⋯.jpg (103.68 KB,525x350,3:2,Project_Walrus.jpg)

>>13593401

DARPA has been working on blimps for awhile now. I remember talk about the upper atmosphere bacteria idea as early as 2000.

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5e8e0d No.13594196

>>13592409

your point?

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3a3cab No.13597003

>>13591649

trick is to let Nature do the heavy lifting and let Evolution work its magic with trillions of fast multiplying Algae and other wee beasties.

trying to put 100+lb Humans into tents on Mars is a non-starter.

It might take a few THOUSAND attempts to find right Algae for Venus. Start trying to breed them under radiation to mutate here on Earth in simulated conditions in high pressure bottles of CO2.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/a-frigid-surprise-at-venus-poles

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1a0760 No.13597005

>>13597003

>trying to put 100+lb Humans into tents on Mars is a non-starter.

what about 50lb little girls?

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017ae2 No.13597014

Space is fake and gay and op is a faggot

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3a3cab No.13597026

>>13591630

free floating Algae could live in the high CO2 without outside water. Only reason plants need water on Earth is we have only tiny CO2 and plants must exchange wet interior air to get weak CO2.

Turns out atmosphere on Venus get comfy higher up and is right temp and pressure to support Earth type life.

If nothing else, its sure worth a try. Seeder spacecraft with Algae could be tiny.

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518c27 No.13597263

>>13587101

Copied it right down to the drag brake/fins I see. Can't they do anything original? Or did SpaceX steal that concept from somewhere else?

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1a0760 No.13597290

>>13597263

chinks just dont care. i dont think they are even aware of what they do really. they are like a virus or something - copy, repeat, copy repeat etc. its the same with every single other thing. you should go there and see. they have bazillions of cloned european highway and dump trucks for example

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f2f96f No.13598048

File: ba2dff20a15afaa⋯.jpg (1.5 MB,3896x2562,1948:1281,Screenshot_2025_04_19_at_1….jpg)

>>13592687

I'm hoping to push some emotional buttons so that we don't stay complacent. I think the United States is still marginally ahead in Space and there is healthy competition with Chinese.

I do think we overspend our defense budget on Israel for increasingly diminishing returns. I think everyone here would like more funding for spaceflight development and I think we could take a look at inefficient spending on Israel as a source for it. Spaceflight spending has always returned massively on the investment and is one of the only things that makes America look good internationally.

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5398cf No.13598069

File: dfd1192bdbfafba⋯.jpg (19.83 KB,720x405,16:9,1733468313960464386_720px.jpg)

File: 485a509b6222472⋯.jpg (145.51 KB,1200x671,1200:671,tianlong_3_first_stage_spa….jpg)

>>13597263

ZQ-3 actually has quite significant differences to Falcon 9. For example:

> Methane-oxygen propellant

> Steel propellant tanks

> Bigger diameter and lower fineness ratio

> Hybrid vertical-horizontal integration (judging by pic 1)

There are other Chinese F9 clones under development which are much more similar to the original F9. For example, Space Pioneer's TL-3 is almost a carbon copy of F9 (pic 2)

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ab3b01 No.13599605

File: 4b0dea613464a2d⋯.jpg (158.65 KB,1280x720,16:9,maxresdefault_82563351.jpg)

File: d6b4e6aa89e0d66⋯.jpg (86.76 KB,900x594,50:33,wires_1397896068614_middle….jpg)

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File: 7301d4abd4e4582⋯.jpg (252.52 KB,770x578,385:289,2291101381_b281d5d889_c.jpg)

China could build a giant Electro-Magnetic Space Cannon sloping(pardon pun) 45deg down from peak of Mt Everest and pointing West, thus the base would be toward East and into Red Chinese territory. Pointing West would use Earth's rotation to gain speed for orbit.

Make it about 10 miles long so its also about 2 miles below Sea Level at very base, which should be plenty to allow payloads to be flung with reasonable Gs. 2 miles below Sea Level might be a bit warm, but you can draw nice cold, clean air from the peak of Mt Everest.

Fling the loads in standard Space Shipping Containers to about Mach 20. Even at that height, less than airliners, air is pretty dense, so combine it with a vacuum tunnel created by firing massive lasers. With a little skill you should be able to create very low density pocket just ahead of the Plug. Similar to Radiation Therapy, it could be many lasers from diff directions intersecting where you want the action to happen.

You could also have powerful lasers shooting up the Plug's ass, to help boost the output of its rocket boosters to far beyond limits of mere chemical reaction.

Other crazy sounding but actually viable ways to get lots of weight at least up past the tough lower atmosphere could include balloons and/or kites. Just at least haul the rocket up about 60 miles to the "edge of Space", then fire, and again maybe augment its thrusters with powerful lasers.

Did I mention the Chinese are very proud of having 1000s of years experience with both balloons and kites?

IMO less practical ideas include Tether Balling an orbiting object to Earth via some sort of Super Cable made out of super-shit. Wouldn't tethering it automatically "freeze" its tendency to stay in orbit, and thus every load would tend to pull it down, as would any wind on the Cable? Anyways, sounds like it could get fucked up and once that happens no saving it. I guess you could have maybe Atomic Rockets on the object to control it. Still sounds like a mega-project begging to REKT itself and once REKT no fixing nothing, and starting from scratch. Balloons & Kites are low cost, low risk, and at least you can wrench on a land based Super Space Gun, even if its up in the high mountains or underground.

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spehs>>13599605

>2 miles below Sea Level might be a bit warm, but you can draw nice cold, clean air from the peak of Mt Everest.

i wonder if it would still be cool air once you'd pumped it down to 2 miles below sea level

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