/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

how can you really know if something is organic or not? I think that even homegrown stuff can be fucked with.

>>13584595

I heard that some group does checks regularly on Organic farms to ensure that standards are adhered to. Surely they have people do randomized tests of products to see whether they have trace amounts of synthetic chemicals or GMOs or not. Maybe it's all a big scheme, maybe not… Yes, homegrown food can be fucked with: they could cross-pollinate your crops with their GMO crop, and then sue you, and this does happen to some smaller farmers, according to F()()[), 1nc. documentary. People can pollute and litter around your garden, or send in bugbots to secrete a small amount of poison into your soil, the possibilities are endless. It's harder if you grow your food indoors…

>>13584620

One one hand I think the current state of agriculture needs to end, monocropping, pesticides etc then on the other hand I know millions will starve domestically but then we are dying from this shit anyway.

>>13584632

We solved the Bread Question with //()||[)3r bread. Then a bunch of drugged out hippies come along and say "Nooo but what about muh naturino!" And then our population stagnates, and foreigners, who have no morals, keep eating and fucking, and now we're going to become their serfs, as a result.

I hate this point of view, I want to be kind to nature and be left alone… but it seems like that's a pipe dream. Unless we go all in on the Nature plan… make our environment full of monsters, who help us keep the clowns away.

>>13584681

*Wonder

>>13584620

>>13584595

>>13584585

Organic FDA certifications are dogshit.

Never trust the FDA.

Organic food is good if you know the person who grew/raised it and trust them. It is more important where you buy food than buying something that says organic on the label. Some organic growers just don't pay the FDA for the certification–like farmers markets and CoOps.

>>13584740

There are more and more startup Organic companies that are less trustworthy than ones who have been in the business for decades. You say the FDA standards are dogshit, but that's a lot of people that have to be in on the conspiracy, and fudging the numbers, not checking the boxes on the chart. The more people involved, the harder it is to run the racket.

I mean, most people who live in cities especially are unable to go to coops or farms. We need some plan for them. There's also international organic standards, above and beyond American ones, but idk much about them.

>>13584752

I will look into this. I hope you're right and we can make a big Nature wall.

>>13584585

Eh. It is more of a scam to make normal food more expensive by poisoning most of it. 80% of it is still poisoned.

>>13584585

As opposed to inorganic food? I swear the masses are fucking retarded.

>>13584812

Yes, literally. Organic means no synthetic chemical fertilizers or pesticides. Also, for livestock, only organic feed, no steroids, no antibiotics (higher living standards - non-organic animals live in their own shit in cages and get diseases, which are cured with antibiotics).

>>13584801

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>>13584773

>There are more and more startup Organic companies that are less trustworthy than ones who have been in the business for decades. You say the FDA standards are dogshit, but that's a lot of people that have to be in on the conspiracy, and fudging the numbers, not checking the boxes on the chart. The more people involved, the harder it is to run the racket.

>>13584812

And no GMOs

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>>13584821

All food is organic you dipshit, lrn2science. There should be a better name for food that isn't grown in all the jewlsop, but organic is a shit term for the masses who are ignorant and retarded.

>>13584835

Synthetic fertilizers and pesticides, residues of which remain in the final product. Inorganic compounds. Inorganic food. Red 40, a colorant in lots of non-organic food, is made from coal or crude oil production. Inorganic. Although coal and crude oil is technically organic, probably.

>>13584863

So those mushrooms people didn't bother to wash properly and eat a shit load of dirt are classified as inogranic food because of the dirt? Seriously, go back to whatever low IQ shit hole you crawled out of.

>>13584893

Let's hear your g-o-s-h derned idea for a better term then

One I like is Ahimsa (nonviolent) agriculture, although you probably won't because it's pajeet. But the idea is you grow food by harming nature as little as possible.

>>13584835

They cant call it "Chemical Free".

>>13584933

Water is a chemical

Vertical farming is the future.

Giant buildings that are basically indoor pastures etc. The animals will be relatively happy (better meat), and the conditions will be incredible. Mini cow paradises before we eat them. That’ll be the future

>>13584985

Ever heard the expression if it ain't broke don't fix it?… What if we slowly transition to a model of no-slaughter dairy, or meat from cows that are only slaughtered when they die of old age? That have to be raised outside, grazing on grass, etc. I feel like the argument that Nature will punish us for hurting her holds some weight. But it's hard to avoid the fear of being overtaken by a foreign power.

>>13584985

The cows wont be cows anymore in the future, just giant chunks of cancer cells growing into Salisbury Steaks at some meatlab campus. It will be all solar powered, plus even have geothermal heating and cooling. I cant wait for the future to get here.

>>13585253

Look what the last USDA leader did, declared all the chickens sick. The ranchers said the chickens werent sick but Brandons people already knew that and didnt care, they just wanted to get rid of our food supply.

>>13585274

Yeah exactly, we’ll be growing meat directly

I want more organ meat, where’s all the livers and brains goddamnit

>>13584910

Still thinking like a brainwashed consumer. How about we label all food as food, then label all the other shit as jewslop? Simple as.

>>13584812

It's the absolute state of the current year that the majority of our food is "not organic", and that we need to distinguish between organic and non organic. Once you know you shouldn't be eating goyslop, go do grocery shopping. It's appalling how little healthy good is actually sold.

>>13585533

I live in a country where there are still off the road babushkas who sell homegrown stuff, they always taste amazing. Also lot's of local "farmers markets" That shit from the supermarket is vile goyslop.

>>13585464

We defacto have done that. Anything that is not organic, non-gmo is goyslop.

>>13585539

In the US we have farmers markets too. I live close enough to rural Amish areas. They come to the markets to sell their food which is always good. I've been eating a paleo/keto diet for years but really got serious about not eating goyslop last year. It's legitimately difficult to find some organic products because our stores are flooded with so much terrible food.

>>13585580

>In the US we have farmers markets too.

Yeah I know, that's why wrote "farmers markets" about the ones we got here because it's barely an organized thing, it's just a designated area where babushkas display their products. It' still good tho and way better than any supermarket stuff. 15-20 years ago it was mostly those kinds of markets but the supermarkets took over unfortunately. But still we got better standards in Europe regarding pesticide use (no shade frens).

>>13584773

A good place to look to get started is White Oak Pastures in GA. I have not visited it myself, but I can say their food is of very high quality. Their website has good overviews about regenerative agriculture: https://whiteoakpastures.com/pages/about-us

I've heard very good things about Azure Standard. Apparently they'll have a semi trailer pull up somewhere and you just show up and grab your order.

>>13586081

It's not a red herring at all. Organic is well defined to mean no use of pesticides. People want fruit and veggies and grains and starches, have for ages. Hunting is great but there is room for hunters and farmers alike.

The point is for most people neither hunting nor fishing nor farming nor foraging is practical to do for most of your caloric intake. Unless people are willing to undergo a radical life transition, they will be buying stuff from the store.

>>13585253

chemtrails

>he doesnt follow the dirty dozen and clean fifteen

ISHYGDDT

>>13584893

>doubles down on pupil

Ah, I see, you're jewish. You spew insults and disingenuous red herrings.

I look forward to your disingenuous logical fallacy riddled trite response.

You're the type of person who is insistent on lowering the quality of discourse to your intellectual abilities because it's clear you don't' know anything about agraculture.

>>13586816

>Selective breeding over generations is a type of GMO.

No it's not. GMO is a term of art that encompasses recombinant DNA technology. Plant breeding is, was, and never will be GMO.

Kikes like you enjoy confusing people by applying the term to plant breeding and other modern techniques. Breeding plants is not GMO. If you're saying it is, you're working for the kikes directly.

>>13585253

Big Food and the JIA does not appreciate singular citizens becoming independent of their empire. They will screw with you if you step out of line in this great country. Yes, they will fly drones out, or spray some chemical from planes, etc. etc.

>>13585533

I think only 1% of American farm land is Organic.

>>13585580

Can you go there dressed as a Viking one of these days? I hear the only book they read is the Bibble

>>13586077

I've watched a few vids on it on YT. A lot of good ideas, some I don't agree with… People are doing their best. I think nonviolent/Ahimsa agriculture would be the highest level of produced food. You need to grow food without hurting insects, worms, etc. You need to have paths all over the plots, with walkways so that insects can walk across without being stepped on. You need to compost directly in the beds, without digging them up or turning over the soil. You can disturb the soil, but it has to be a very gradual process. No pesticides, no synthetic fertilizers. Ideally, no electronic tools or gas power either - this harms nature too. Of course, we all have to eat at the end of the day, so you do the best you can. As long as you move in the right direction. Also, I see a lot of gardens right next to asphalt roads or driveways, and asphalt leeches chemicals into the soil, as well as whatever drips off cars from leaks. gardens anywhere close to a road or driveway have to be made above the ground, cut off from the groundwater completely. Things need to be grown in plant pots, on tables.

I saw one video of someone who let a number of raised beds remain wild, in order to support native species. I'm sure you can pull out the ol' smartphone and identify what herbs that grow by themselves are edible. But it's important to establish your food supply before you worry about the "morality" of native species and things, because technically, you're doing more damage to nature every time you buy from the grocery store, than you are by simply growing non-native food crops, that are easy enough to grow, whose seeds you can practically buy, for the short term.

>>13586081

It's a game of "better than." Organic standards, if followed appropriately, are kinder to nature. Yes, pesticides are still used, which kill quintillions of insects, and small animals are killed by the combine harvester. So yes, hunting, gathering, fishing are the least damaging to nature. There is quite a learning curve with these things, and people living in cities don't have access to nature. You do the best you can, and move in the right direction. It's not great to eat animals raised in captivity. But Organic is "better than" not. Also, nature does appreciate your efforts and will reward you.

>>13586107

In America, it means "no synthetic pesticides." Natural pesticides are still used, like pepper powder and vinegar, I think.>>13586116 I've given up fast food, I rarely eat out, I don't drink soda. I'm currently drinking coffee daily, and sugar from jams, but that's it. It's hard to change, in the beginning, but when you try to do the right thing every day, it sort of "wakes you up," moment to moment. Right now, I'm making a positive change for myself and the world, in what small way I can. It makes me feel good each time I try to follow this path of nonviolence.

>>13586816

Even selective breeding has consequences on our health. The huge fruit of, say, apples, is a modern invention. Go out into the forest, you don't see huge fruits hanging around. When you eat an apple, with such a huge fruit, you're eating less skin per apple you consume, so you're getting less fiber and antioxidants, most of which are located in the skin. When you eat berries, you're getting much more fiber and antioxidants, because the fruits are smaller. Look at potatoes: mostly carbs, little fiber. If you eat that without supplementing with some other fiber source, you will get constipated.

It seems to me like a theme of 'the more artificial things you do, the more artificial things you have to do to make up for the problem you caused in the first place."

>>13586848

The genes have been modified, technically. But that's obviously not what is meant by GMO. Moot point.

Think anons would appreciate a /grow/ board? Gardening discussion, cheap DIY kratky buckets, indoor veggie growing, etc

Just read a news article that Bayer/Monsanto is considering discontinuing Roundup because of the huge number of lawsuits surrounding it.

>>13588518

HELL yeah.

>>13584632

You want organic food?

Grow it yourself

>>13589329

Most fruit trees are not true to seeds

You need cuttings for consistent results

>>13589400

You can splice any sort of apple into a crab apple. In fact if you live where crab apples are common it's actually a good idea to splice them into a crab apple because they are much more hardy and adapted to the environment.

>>13589391

I do grow my own food but it is logistically impractical for me to grow all my own food. Even in places where permaculture is done to grow community food it still takes a community to manage that food forest.

The best I can do is trade and buy from the local farmers and establish a trusting relationship with my food providers.

>>13589940

That's true that one can never be fully self sufficient

But I can at least grow my own meat and veggies

And fruits and some spices

I'll always be reliant on the stores for my grains and lentils and spices

>>13589329

>You have the reading comprehension of a toddler.

Nah I'm wise to your kike tricks. GMO never has, and never will, refer to plant breeding. Period. It's a term of art that was invented to cover high-tech methods of gene manipulation. Plant breeding isn't a 'kind of GMO.' Never was.

I've seen you Jewishly trying to push this, you and other shills, all over the Internet for years.

>Oh GMO? Heh, you silly goy! You might not know that ALL the plants we eat are TOTALLY GENETICALLY MODIFIED! It just took the ancient savages much longer and wasn't nearly as SOYINTEFIC!

Fuck you kike, I'm wise to your bullshit.

>>13589958

Lentils are super easy to grow and can be used as a cover crop in warmer areas during the winter. You CAN be TOTALLY self-sufficient.

>>13589954

grim

>>13589958

You can grow a lot of food on a small amount of land. You need fats, proteins, carbs, vitamins and minerals, veggies, fruits, etc., but you can do it. It takes time to learn but people do it. And apparently it can be done with very little time investment. I haven't found many videos on this, but I did find one. It's a gradual process to become more self-sufficient, not done overnight… You can learn to hunt, fish, and forage, but that takes time too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNR8JfHah00

Yes but you can take binders that bind to toxins like glyphosates in "conventional" produce if you cannot afford organic

>>13592507

Yes, I didn't need more proof that you have the reading comprehension of a toddler but you went and proved it anyways. I am amused that your so hostile about agreeing with me.

>>13595895

…just make beer from apples, sugar, yeast, then distill it into alcohol

>>13595921

go away pussy

>>13584585

What are you talking about? Quality is the only thing that matters. Yes, there are 8 billion people in this world, and 7.5 billion of them can be culled within a month or so.

Imagine the city of Lagos. 16 million niggers, all living in mud and squalor. What if their already barely functional infrastructure was just sabotaged by 10 guys or so? Millions dead within a week. Consider India: 1.4 billion dirty mouths to feed - most of them completely useless in any crisis or survival scenario. China, somewhat better but still very fragile.

There are too many people who are wholly dependent on just-in-time logistics to prevent widespread rape, murder and cannibalism. They are so divorced from the material reality of this world that their population sizes don't matter, because they can disappear next week.

That's why I don't care about a million niggers or a billion jeets. That's like me being worried about a billion roaches. I have 3 kids and I teach them how to be self sufficient.

>>13584585

I don't want leftover chemical/hormorne in my food. Organic feel like a scam. Still, it's a way to do it right

>>13596019

They are invading Europe by immigrating. They have enough people to do so due to GMO, synthetically pesticided, synthetically fertilized, drustruction of nature farming. If Organic and nonviolent farming practices can produce more food and therefore people, then we could win the culture war by outpopulating them…

>>13596266

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>>13584585

Organic food is a scam and a racket. You can't exceed USDA standards or else you'll get sued. Farmers can't compete on food quality, only on economies of scale.

>>13584595 If I'm not mistaken, bill gates was funding something about trying to manipulate plants so they cannot have seeds so you were forced to buy new ones for every harvest..

I mean them manipulating plants to kill you doesn't sound far-fetched after that lunacy..

>>13607915

This is a monsanto scam.

Farmers used to maintain seed stock and trade seeds… or even give them to other farmers in a bad year. Now Monsanto will sue if they find that their seeds have been planted in a field not on contract with them. It's called "seed patent infringement"

Also, monsanto is now owned by Bayer so obviously they profit off of making people sick.

>>13600094

Out populating isn't winning–it's just the opposite.

Industrialized societies with extensive automation need less population, not more, and that population needs a much higher level of education.

A population boom of low IQs gives you India–biggest slums in the world; most pollution; most trash; lowest educated and no one wants to be around them. Billionaires import them to tank wages.

>>13584595

>purity spiral

"homegrown" gardening can be very productive and efficient in land, water and fertilizer. however it is labor intensive compared to running a large tractor across a large field.

agriculture could be local farmers markets of small scale farms with minimal pesticides. but food will cost more because the labor cost is higher.

>>13584835

>All food is organic you dipshit, lrn2science

>Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms.

>(Chemistry) Of or designating carbon compounds.

>Of, relating to, or affecting a bodily organ.

>Constituting an integral part of a whole; fundamental.

Etymology

>organic(adj.)

1510s, "serving as an organ, acting as a means or instrument," from Latin organicus, from Greek organikos "of or pertaining to an organ, serving as instruments or engines," from organon "instrument" (see organ).

If you were thinking of the chemical definition "contains carbon compounds" you are a midwit.

>>13610363

> agriculture could be local farmers markets of small scale farms with minimal pesticides. but food will cost more because the labor cost is higher.

You’d think that letting animals do their thing living off the land with no input costs would at least provide a living but it doesn’t. Economies of scale is real. The small low input producer had to charge the same lower prices as the production agriculture guys or he won’t make sales for very long and you simply can’t produce enough to make a living at those prices. Believe me I tried it on land that was paid for and couldn’t make it work.

>>13610435

>failed family farm

people do succeed, one way to increase margins is by selling as a specialty local/organic/trendy luxury food. People with backyard chickens sell their eggs for a few dollars more than the grocer, and they're barely breaking even on feed costs.

>>13610458

Even Joel Salatin says you have to be close to a city to make it work. New customers are the only ones who will sustainably pay premium prices.

>>13584632

The world is overpopulated. A healthy, sustainable population will be supported by healthy, sustainable agricultural practices. The popult will be eventually be brought down by, disease, famine, war, or otherwise. The longer we wait, the greater the suffering will be.

>>13610363

> however it is labor intensive compared to running a large tractor across a large field

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNR8JfHah00&t=2s

This guy spends 24h/month harvesting and tending to his crops

>>13610435

>The small low input producer had to charge the same lower prices as the production agriculture guys or he won’t make sales for very long and you simply can’t produce enough to make a living at those prices.

People expect to pay more for pesticide-free, fertilizer-free food from their local farmer. Also, you don't have to sell your produce, you can just eat it. You need to put in very little time and effort to growing food for just yourself or your family, once you get everything established.

>>13610480

CEOs do not care. They will do anything to maintain power. It's all a big Chess game to them, and we're just pawns.

>>13584585

In my eyes organic food itself is based, just not the price they're asking for it.

Best is to grow it yourself.

But apparently now the government here is even saying you shouldn't eat homegrown eggs because they can be full of PFAS. Instead you should eat store bought eggs, because those come from chickens that barely if at all come into contact with nature and are therefore safe. Totally bizarre.

>>13584585

its just lowiq monkeys fucking in africa and india and the west encourages it with foregin aid. cut the aid solve the problem. matter of fact your 1% loves this because they make a lot of money with it. sadly im too stupid to come up with a solution thats not just cope or fanfiction