7ff192 No.159231
There is this idea that war drives progress, and it's not that hard to imagine. The stealth airplane would not have been invented if it wasn't for the radar. In my opinion there is no difference between peace/business and war, the line between the two is arbitrary, you could say existence is a constant war, or cold war if you like. But I've been thinking about this and I'm wondering if crime drives progress in the same way that war does. I think the whole thing is really about the power of words or definitions, something which is touched on in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Crime is really just an enemy within the borders while war has the enemy mostly outside the borders. But with modern technology both war and crime are more and more unrelated to national borders and then the line between war and crime also becomes increasingly hazy. Just like the radar spurred on the invention of the stealth airplane, crime spurs on inventions such as home alarms. And if the state can do false flags to start wars overseas, what's to say they couldn't do false flags in the form of crime. I think this scene in For A Few Dollars More illustrates beautifully how technology is intertwined with this constant battle in society.
https://youtu.be/94kh-lzUuNw
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7acd1f No.159277
Criminology faggot here. The answer is… kinda.
Most people take some form of protective measures against crime
>Locking your house
>Locking your car
>Carrying pepper spray
>Avoiding "that part of town"
But businesses don't try to make it obvious unless they have to. We have all been in a bad walmart and seen the glass over the beauty products, as surely as we have been in a nice Target and seen security cameras in the makeup aisle. Businesses are more relying on an evolving science called CPTED (Lefties call it "Hostile architecture")
>C.P.T.E.D = Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design.
Because businesses don't really care about crime in the community (i.e. displacement) they generally try to prevent crime, rather than respond to it, even if it means that crime will simply happen elsewhere.
>Target doesn't care if Sneed's Seed and Feed gets shoplifted from.
So crime does drive innovation, because now Sneed's has to come up with crime prevention, often in a cheaper way than Target.
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7122a6 No.159288
>>159277
Another example I can think of is computer viruses and hacking. I only read part of The Turner Diaries but that type of guerilla organizations and mafia groups are other examples.
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5ea720 No.159326
>>159277
>Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design.
That makes buildings and surrounding environment look uninviting and ugly. Imagine a world without niggers.
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6d888d No.159356
>>159277
>Locking your house
>Locking your car
>Carrying pepper spray
>Avoiding "that part of town"
These are hardly innovations compared to the resources that could be saved from not having crime. Briefly executing criminals would offer by far more net-returns.
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2e2c65 No.159372
This entire thread is just a tiresome and very stupid rephrasing of the "broken window" economic theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
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a1a3c5 No.159375
>>159356
>executing criminals would offer by far more net-returns
History proves you wrong.
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fa282e No.159407
>>159372
Interesting input but I don't think it's the case.
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2e2c65 No.159421
>>159407
Au contraire it is indeed the case.
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71f68e No.159430
All struggle encourages innovation, so in a sense it does, but I'm certain the negative effects of crime outweigh any benefits. Most crime is petty theft, and this is an inefficient allocation of resources since you've transferred purchasing power from a productive individual to a worthless individual who is unlikely to put the ill gotten gains to good use. Worse still, in the course of the robbery a productive person (say a doctor, scientist, engineer) may be hit over the head with a brick so a nigger can steal <$100 from his wallet. That victim may never fully recover, so this represents a multi-million dollar loss in educational investment and a loss of expected return.
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d14bbd No.159431
>>159421
I have read the part of Economics in one lesson dealing with the broken window fallacy and no I don't think this is what I was talking about in the OP. The broken window fallacy is about destruction creating jobs. That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about technological progress and progress or evolution of society as a whole. Computer viruses was one example I gave. If some insurgent group is sending viruses to government to weaken them it spurs them to develop new and better technology to defend against this. "necessity is the mother of invention" I think there is a thing in communist theory called the vanguard and it says most people would rather sit and drink coffee than go out like Magellan and try to push the boundaries, so the elite have to use manipulation including false flags to drive humanity to evolve. I think Hitler had a similar idea.
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6d888d No.159448
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6d888d No.159449
>>159430
This, It's fucking common sense.
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a1a3c5 No.159456
>>159448
Just look at the crime rates in countries that are extremely strict on criminals. Or just look at our own history. People used to be hanged for theft, openly and in the public square, but thievery just kept on happening unabated. Execution has never been a deterrent to crime. People who don't go around murdering and raping aren't not doing those things out of fear of punishment, they don't do those things because doing those things is wrong. If the ONLY reason you're not killing people and robbing houses is because you're afraid of jail, then you're clearly an immoral person and need to seek help.
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ea686b No.159459
I mean a lot of geopolitics is driven by mafias and drug/weapons/human trafficking networks being co-opted by elites to justify government intervention, which creates running conflict that itself can then be used to eventually justify reterritorialization.
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ee11b0 No.159461
>>159456
because those people stealing must have been very desperate. things were different then, I know its hard for a nigger like you to understand this, but if you were to shoot people looting a store, nobody would loot that store anymore because they dont want to be shot. Niggers and mouth breathers like you looting air jordans are different from people in the 19th century stealing a horse out of desperation. Nigger.
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a1a3c5 No.159466
>>159461
>if you were to shoot people looting a store, nobody would loot that store anymore
wrong
It becomes a "challenge accepted" and the next looters bring bigger guns.
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ea0bdc No.159471
>>159461
>a store where someone got shot has never been robbed more than once
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8d768a No.159474
>>159231
>does crime drive progress?
It drives progress of anti-crime. With no crime there would be no need for such progress, just like there would be no need for stealth fighters, if there would be no assholes with radars, and we could use those resources to develop something actually useful.
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777ae0 No.159500
>>159474
I don't think this is true. War doesn't just spur the progress of war related things but of society as a whole.
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4bbaf0 No.159501
>>159500
This is a very jewish outlook and explains why American nationalism never goes anywhere worthwhile.
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777ae0 No.159504
>>159501
What makes you think I'm American? As I said I don't think there is any difference between war and peace. War is more than just bombs and gunfire. A lot happens under the surface before those things happen, and in some cases it's all below the surface, i.e. cold war. I think the more advanced technology gets the more invisible war becomes and the more unrelated to national borders.
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4bbaf0 No.159506
>>159504
>What makes you think I'm American?
You're certainly Anglosphere.
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9a1be0 No.159515
>>159501
I think this bot malfunctioned. War is the basis of Fascism, righteous war that is. Nationalism is needs war or the threat of war to be taken seriously. Otherwise you just end up with some variant of Marxism.
In the context of this thread he is referring to technological and social progress brought on because of war for instance first generation human rights not the third generation bullshit.
Give me one example of a society that drastically changed for the better without a recent war or the threat of war Mr (((White))) man.
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4bbaf0 No.159524
>>159515
I don't know how you come to these conclusions looking at the last ~200 years of Western civilization. And then have the unmitigated gall to pretend I'm the kike here. Filtered.
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9a1be0 No.159526
>>159524
>Call him a Jew and watch how he recoils! I have been found out!
Fuck off Mr. White should be as weak as possible.
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74f4f7 No.160238
>>159277
You sure you have a degree in criminology? I'm not surprised though, college is a fucking meme.
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1427f6 No.160250
>>160238
Criminology is a shit degree. Most STEM isn't (unless your school is for niggers). Just because all your friends have gone off to college and you're sitting at home being NEET doesn't make it all worthless.
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3f7437 No.160251
>>159231
>Crime is really just an enemy within the borders while war has the enemy mostly outside the borders
Crime might be an individual stealing from another individual.
Just because someone did crime it does not mean that it is opposed by the state. Sometimes state goes against their laws.
Also, left-wing radicals might hate the state more than some right-wing criminal while not commit any crimes and still be bigger threat to it. A criminal might give 0 shit if the state exists or not or who controls it, he might only care about money.
A state (especially corrupt state) might not give a shit about criminals and criminals are not always their enemies.
Stop messing up politics with crime. I'd say that political "crime" is not even a crime but an act of war.
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74f4f7 No.160257
>>160251
>Stop messing up politics with crime.
The two are intimately connected. Have you even read The Turner Diaries?
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5813ae No.160369
>>160257
Point is that criminal is not necessary enemy of the state and the state is not necessary enemy of the criminal. Almost all jews are criminals, they are still the ones who control the state and it's structure. Take Epstein for example. The more corrupt state is the more criminals on the right side can get away and the more punished will be people who are against the leading power.
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6c6dcd No.160426
>>160369
your bullshit has nothing to do with the topic
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0cbaa2 No.160461
>>159456
>Or just look at our own history.
Western crime has dropped over the past thousand years precisely because criminals were removed from the gene pool. Unfortunately this had the adverse effect of preventing them from totally shitting on pussies that think eliminating criminals is somehow wrong.
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104929 No.160471
People don't seem to understand that crime isn't cut in stone what it is. It is defined by the law.
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61659e No.186012
>>186010
Sage. Fuck your necrobumping with zero content.
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46ad67 No.186058
There's also a cultural aspect to it. If you were to transfer a Japanese police department to south side Chicago, you'd have a bunch of people that are out of their depth. They wouldn't understand how to deal with niggers or how they behave. You could give them a rough overview, but you'd be hanged if you tried to explain the race issue. So they'd have to learn from personal experience, because our official explanation with why niggers behave the way they do is dangerous if you take it at face value. The Japanese would eventually become adept at the task. The general public is the same way, but if they have the wrong impression of the situation and no opportunity for personal experience until it's too late, and no way of learning about the personal experiences of others, then you have the worst of both worlds. Then you have a population with no opportunity to adapt and that is continually stepping on the same rake.
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9aae83 No.186091
>>159231
It motivates progress in applied sciences but not not mathematics or natural science as such which is done for their own sake.
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